NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Opening Night; Super Bowl Narratives Sink or Swim (#Yachtcast)

Episode Date: January 29, 2020

A yacht filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler, and Gregg Rosenthal recap opening night some news from the Pro Bowl. The heroes go through super bowl narratives that either stand up or should be thrown out. #YachtcastLearn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. Look at us. How about us? Are you listening, Raj? Are you listening, Comish? Are you proud? We're spending your money. We're on a boat.

We're here in Miami. We got nothing else to do. We are on beautiful Miami Canal. We do not know if that is the actual. The Miami River. Okay. No. Canal?

Now, it is the Miami River. The beautiful Miami River, taping our first show from Miami. On a yacht. Super Bowl 54 coming up in a few days. And Erica, our wonderful producer, who put this together. Wow. You know, you're a marvel. Yeah, you know, a shout out to Jane Slater.

Her brother, Tom, works for Port Destella, which is helping, putting on this whole event all Super Bowl week. and they hooked it up, and it's so sick. Wow, that's clutch. It seems like it would have been an opportune time to have Jane on as a guest, considering that her family member got us this speedboat. Yeah, she wasn't available. A little bit of a missed op, potentially.

But anyway, did I mention that this podcast is presented by DiGerno. Stock up on DiJourno pizza for the big game. There we go. That's what Super Bowl is about in a lot of ways. It's America. It's about corporate structure. It's about ad reads. Sure.

But it's also Wes about football, isn't it? Family, friends, football, and desiorno. Very good. Very good. So today's show, this is our second boat show, actually. We did one on River Thames a couple of years ago in London, and that was nice. But now this is way better. I got to be honest.

Oh, the vibe is decidedly different here. Mark, we're in Miami. We're in Miami. We have like high-rise, like sleek high-rise buildings around us. A bunch of like nines and tens have been rolled. from various countries staying at our hotel beautiful and you've been very clear to point out that both the men and the women are nine oh it's not a it's a it is it is extremely attractive people being piped into our i mean we stepped on the boat with some you know great sort of Miami inflected

music i think this should be our thing doing my audio podcasts in far flung locales where we just describe where we are for the audio listeners i can't even begin to understand going under a throughway at the moment. A boat just crashed into the side of our boat and we're sinking. No, that was the singing bridge. This is a fun experience and we love to mix things up. We just passed a sign that says caution, manatee area. So if a manatee jumps up and kills Mark, it's just ultimately the way we all expected.

Don't think that's in a skill set. An incredible way to go. How are you doing, Mark, in Miami? I know the city with all its glitz and glamour and, and beauty, some of the texts I've been getting for you. You've been a little up and down. Are you excited about being here? That's always the case.

But I mean, I would say that it's growing on me at a rapid pace. You know, yesterday it was sort of overcast and you're wandering around to kind of trying to figure out what the city is about. Now we're on this boat and it looks like, you know, the cut scenes from like Miami Vice. I'm all in. Feels like freedom. It does to agree. It's a panoply of the census.

It's a feast for the eyes. This is already two days into it in my favorite Super Bowl city. It's just shots fired at New Orleans I haven't been to New Orleans yet New York was holding the number one spot And I do love New York City But this is where you want to have a soup I still I still stand for the

Best Western in Minneapolis That had a TGA Fridays connected to it That's close to the heart All right so what are we doing Essentially it's all about the big game Of course The San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs On Thursday you're going to hear

our proper Super Bowl 54 preview but of course we're going to hit on the game pretty hard today in fact using our our deep well of knowledge when it comes to this event mark this is you and I this is our ninth Super Bowl with NFL media Greg how many Super Bowls have you covered this is the 13th I've been to 13 for Greg west you're I believe this is my seventh so we you know you You start to learn that the two-week break from the NFC and AFC title game to the Super Bowl, it's a breeding ground for just soggy narratives sometimes, narratives that don't always really check out when the game actually begins, or sometimes conversely, they're spot on.

So since we're on a boat, sink or swim narratives of Super Bowl 54. See how I did that, Erica. I love it. I love it. Great job. Maybe the worst, the person who throws out the worst narrative gets through. thrown overboard, and we just see that. That's great.

But before we do that, let's, oh, I just want to a shout out to the whole crew of the Van Dutch who are keeping us alive right now, and especially Captain Spiros. Because without Captain Spiros, without the man at the wheel, it's lights out for the ATN podcast. You're here we'll be at the bottom of the river. Also want to send a shout out to all the people who have been buying our concert tickets or our show tickets on Thursday. this week at the Miami Improp. It's bumping up. The 49ers and Chiefs fans are coming correct,

but we still have tickets available Thursday night at the Miami Imprope. One of us will not be appearing, depending on who drops the laziest narrative. Well, I was thinking to go on the other way, which was Wes, Dan, Mark, all get the night off. Greg Rosenthal, one man, one spotlight, one Mike, Rosenthal, colon, my stories. Tamposio'll jump in with me.

She loves a live microphone. We'll do it together. It'll be fun. He's going in the river, I swear to God. Just Greg, sitting on a stool, spinning yarns. Let's do some news. I wore the number 24 in high school, like my freshman sophomore year because of him. I wore Kobe Bryant basketball shoes because of Kobe Bryant.

Every time I laced up my basketball shoes, I felt like I had Kobe Bryant with me. I had a little part of him. I had his jumper. I had his fade away. The amount of hours I spent practically. seen that fade away from the corner and I never made it but I tried and I always thought I was Kobe so like I mean he's an icon uh he was a hero of mine and the world's not a better place without him well there it is George Kittle the Niners tight end from media night last night

talking about Kobe Bryant and yes this is obviously it was a unique opening night because This is a unique time on the American sports spectrum with Kobe Bryant's tragic death in that helicopter crash in L.A. I came into the city a day after you guys, by the way, for the listeners. And so I was in L.A. when all the Kobe fallout was happening. It was such a surreal day in Los Angeles. And I was in a text chain with my buddies from back east, and we were, one of the guys asked,

is this like the biggest L.A. sports story ever. And it's almost, it's, but you can't really look at it that way because Kobe's death and then you have, you can't say like, oh, Kirk Gibson's home run or Magic Skyhook. This, this feels like a, like a tragedy that that just is bigger than obviously sports. And you could feel that throughout media night because that's all anybody wanted to talk about. Yeah, I noticed when I got in, just talking to NFL network, people who were raised in L.A. and grew up with the Lakers as their favorite team, and they were visibly shaken up to the point where you could see that several of them

had been crying probably for hours. I just, not being from L.A. myself, I was a little surprised at how much of an impact that made. I think L.A., like, the rep is that nothing brings L.A. together. It's just kind of this far-flung place with no center holding it, but the Lakers are kind of what holds it. I mean, the Lakers are what holds it. And Kobe, even people that, you know, aren't from L.A. NBA superstars have a level of fame and attachment, I think, from their fans and people worldwide that NFL fans never will. Like Kobe is at a level that no NFL player has ever been at. I just think, it's just different. Yeah, and the, you know, and the Rams and Chargers are both finding out firsthand in 2020 that L.A. remains a Lakers town and a Dodgers town, first and foremost.

And I remember being downtown the last time the Lakers won a championship, but I didn't know it was going to happen that night. It was not the smartest move, but it was incredible to witness the scene down there and just what the Lakers effect is on Los Angeles. And Kobe's, I think, is what we saw like last night on media night, too, the entire aura of that event, which is typically sort of, you know, open to clownishness and funning games had a completely different feel because of the immense effect he's had on so many NFL players. I mean, this is supposed to be the NFL's week, and I was in our hotel last night, and I turned on SportsCenter, and they never talked about the Super Bowl once, the entire episode.

So this obviously, you know, the whole week was changed by that tragic event in Calabasas. And we'll hear from Richard Sherman a little bit later. an L.A. native. But let's get to the NFL news now. And we'll start. Mark, you know what? Actually, before we do this, can we do some breaking news? Breaking news, yes. Let's hear it. Magnitude 7.7 earthquake hits near Cuba. Miami offices evacuated as of 15 minutes ago, and we're out on a yacht right now. Whoa. Okay. Are we in great danger?

I mean, we're... Or minimal danger? Not sure. Not sure. I mean, this might be the place to be, but it does explain the helicopters flying overhead. Perhaps there's been a number of them. There's a potential tsunami heading our way. Wait a second. It's just a nervous laugh. So there's a potential tsunami and we're on the water.

Okay. Maybe we should look into it. Yeah, I'm on Twitter. Well, there's never been anything inaccurate on Twitter, so we're fine. Yeah. Okay, well, that's interesting. So we just keep going. Now to the Cleveland Brown.

Hey, Rick, honestly, though, keep us updated on the tsunami situation. Apparently buildings, you know, we're shaking in Miami, but we did not feel it. We didn't visibly see them shaking. I can't shake a 50-foot yard. The wind is blowing Dan's notes all over the place. That was Rick's Jim Graham. He's the easiest to be in one place, having a whole system, and this is all, you know. My system has been torn asunder.

And now Erica has collapsed on the deck of the Von Dutch. What tragedy. All right. Let's get into it. The Browns have hired Andrew Berry as that, you know, I'm thinking about the tsunami. I know, I can tell. Let's battle through. We're pros.

The Browns have hired former team executive Andrew Barry to be general manager and executive VP. The team announced this on Tuesday. He made it official. He has 53-man roster control. He's just 32 years old. He's the youngest GM in the league. Mark, the Browns have been the latest iteration of the Browns reboot. Hasim, the owner, saying we need to be in lockstep with the head coach and the GM.

I imagine this is a step toward that. Well, I think if you want to spend hopeful and positive about the Browns and what happened since Freddie Kitchens was fired, that they methodically went through this process and didn't matter how long it took and didn't rush to hire someone because they want a unified front office and coaching staff with Stefanski, John D. Podesta, and Paul de Pestas, sorry, and with Andrew Barry, who was with Cleveland during the Sashi Brown regime and massively impressed the Haslums. They wanted him back. He was with the Eagles last year.

I think this is essentially looking at DeBadesta's from Harvard, Beres from Harvard, Stefansky's from Penn. But just smart guys. Well, I think they are looking for people that can coexist and keep this thing together for more than one year.

We will see. If you're a Browns fan who might have been a little worried that it's going to be too analytically driven like baseball and Wall Street influence and it's not going to be enough football influence, this is a guy you love as a hire because he was a three-time Ivy League cornerback at Harvard.

When he graduated, his coach... Both rocking, potentially. When he graduated, his coach said within 15 years, by the time this guy's 37 years old, he'll be running an NFL franchise, he's that special, he's that wept smart. And you combine that with his football experience. He coached for seven,

or he scouted for seven years with the Colts. To me, he combines both of those, the scouting background and the analytics background. If you wanted to take a, you know, more negative slant, you could point out that what seemed like their first choices turned down the jobs or at least some of their top choices. George Patton, who had worked with Stefansky in Minnesota,

didn't like the structure that was set up and he might have been the GM. Otherwise, Josh McDaniels was kind of a similar case. I am hoping for the best. At this point, I feel like we are all, I want to become a Browns fan because a successful Browns team, it makes a better podcast.

I don't think I've ever seen. How do you know? I want it. Well, maybe not a better podcast. What makes my life less stressful. Un paved road. Here's my situation right now with Captain Spiros and the crew of the Van Dutch. If we see them getting nervous and you see Captain Spiros like on his radio a lot and stuff, that's when I'll get nervous.

So I'm just judging right now. Captain Spirot has got a smile. Are we safe, Captain? Of course. Of course, that's what you would say if you're the captain because, number one, you want to keep everyone on board calm. So he's not going to be honest, is he? No, yeah. For the listeners, there's no way they could have actually heard that. He just started screaming and running his hands through his hair.

No, wait. Captain Spiros has jumped off the ship, and is anyone else able to, no. This is a seasoned to mariner. He has everything under control. You know the kinds of situations he's been in? The pickles he's pulled out of? Come on, man. All right. Mark, good luck to that. I googled, can you survive a tsunami on a boat? Yes or no.

And it says, the safest place for a vessel in the event of a tsunami is offshore in deep water. So to the ocean, Captain Sparrow. Take us out on the mighty Atlantic. No one has ever tried to order the captain around before. All right. Good luck, Mark, with this latest regime. Thank you. Drew Breeze has, speaking of Jane Slater, our good buddy,

Drew Breeze, the Saints quarterback is a free agent. He's landed at, I believe, number 37 on Greg Rosenthal's, top 40 free agents. He's eight. Okay. Anyway, he's nice. years into a career and he's not ready to announce yet whether or not he's coming back but if he does it will be with the saints here's what he said it was here's what he told jane at the pro bowl yeah i've never been in a situation where i said i was mulling over the thought of clarifying that

then yeah it's to me it's it's been each each one of these contracts which i don't know how many it's been you know with the saints um i played with them 14 years um but each one it's just it's not a matter of if it gets done it's when and And, you know, obviously at this stage in my career, it's, it's, you know, not a given that I'm coming back every year. It's just, but when that time comes, then, you know, I'll always be a saint. Saints fans are taking this pretty seriously. They think he might genuinely retire. This is different than he's talked about before.

I think it's negotiations. I think Sean Payton and the Saints have not so subtly put out some reports. and even talked about, you know, in the last couple of days that, well, if we had to move forward, you know, with Taysom Hill, you know, of course they want Drew Brees back, but they have other franchise quarterback options in Taysom Hill. And Drew Brees, maybe the most calculated player in the NFL over the last 10 years is not making these comments to NFL network by mistake. The only leverage that he has is retirement in terms of his contract talks. And if he does retire, that's not a good outcome for the Saints because they have 20. $20 million in cap it, and they still don't have Drew Brees. Greg, just put that issue to sleep.

I don't know. People aren't buying this. This is more of a theory than, you know, fact. What was the report out there that the Saints view Taysom Hill as a potential franchise quarterback? Well, I read that. I mean, Sean Payton said that very strongly. And, like, you know, he had high praise for Tassum Hill before the season.

Of course, linking him to the skills of Steve Young. But I think it would be fascinating to, at some point in time, watch Taysam Hill attempt that role. I really think it would be super exciting. I mean, you've got to get a chance at some point. Do you think on one level, the Saints would be a more interesting team to follow with Taysam Hill as their starting quarterback? Out of the gate, I mean, it's a tall order to follow.

I don't understand, and this maybe is directed at U.S., I don't understand this like subtle Drew Breeshade that's popping up every time he comes up. This guy could still play. Of course he can. So what are we doing? Why would we want to get rid of them? I think Taysom Hill is one of the most interesting quarterbacks in the end. NFL whenever I see him play. He made it clear. The Saints have made it clear. They want him back.

So I don't think they are entertaining. Is this a Steve Young, Joe Montana situation? If that was the case, I could understand the urge to maybe make the move. Do they really think that Hill has that type of? I think there is a parallel there because of the fascination in-house to Taysam Hill. And if you're Sean Payton. Except for the background as a great quarterback, which Steve Young had and Taysam Hill just doesn't. that's fine but I like he wouldn't be in the role he's in if he had had a long track records like quarterback whenever he takes the field exciting things happen I think if you're Sean Payton there must be part of it too yeah but I think if you're Sean Payton there's a part of you that would find it an incredible interesting engaging challenge to try to see what you have with tasem hill

it's also telling that Teddy Bridgewater is not mentioned in any of this talk and he's a free agent too and feels like it's more possible this year that he'll leave just because I don't I don't know if he could see a being out played by the quarterback behind them, too. I'm not saying the Saints would be better with Taysom Hill. I'm saying for me, who's watched this show, the Drew Brees show for how many years, 12 years in New Orleans, it would be more exciting to watch Tason Hill. They feel like they need to run it back one more time. They have so many free agents, so it's going to be a little tricky.

I think they have eight starters. But with Breeze at this age, it's like, let's try one more time. We've had a Super Bowl worthy or ready team the last two years, and then after that you get wide. And I guess my counter to that, Wes, is I hear that. But what if he does get the job? And after four weeks, it's like, oh, this guy was perfect in the role he had. And we kind of pushed Drew Brees out the door when he was coming off. Oh, I think that's absolutely a possibility.

I think I've just, like, I'm oversaturated with the Drew Brees Saints, especially when you see a playoff game where his lack of arm strength was a huge factor. And the only plays they may, but when Taysam Hill was making them. All right. Let's move on. Speaking of veteran quarterbacks, Philip River, wait, boat, check, is he on the radio? Captain Spears is not on the radio, so I'm feeling good.

It seems to be, you know, when another boat passes us, then we get a little rocky, but it's not the tsunami. That's a wake, Greg. The Van Dutch, the entire crew is actually very cool right now, which... Yeah, they're walking around and they're nowhere again. All right, so Philip Rivers, his future of the Chargers remains up in the air. there was a report that floated around a couple days ago that was attributed to j glazer that the chargers were moving on but that maybe is not exactly the case and wasn't even glazer's

reporting and ian rappaport our own ian rapp report uh said the franchise is still weighing its options uh on their eight time pro bowl quarterback uh we know the whole background by now 38 years old coming off an interception uh frenzy season and he just picked up a his family and left California for Florida, closer to his hometown. What do you think, Mark? Is this, do you think there's any chance he's a charter in that 2020? I just would like to hear more dating back to even the middle of last season where the team is saying this is what we want.

To me, Philip Rivers seemed to be kind of quietly at odds with that coaching staff by the end of the campaign where, you know, there were whispers of him potentially being benched at this point. He's just moved his family across the entire country. And we've brought up the scenario where he could be one of these guys that, you know, goes home for a day or two a week and spends the rest of the time on the other side of the country. It just feels to me from a family planning issue, which is the super important of Philip Rivers, an odd departure from California if you're going to go back to the...

And from Anthony Lynn's perspective, I imagine it was incredibly frustrating when Philip Rivers was your quarterback last season. And there was so many, if you watch those Chargers games, so many mistakes that just would kill them. And Rivers every once in a while would look like Phil Rivers as well. He had his moments. He wasn't a complete washout. But, West, those mistakes, they add up. And you could tell Lynn, you understand his frustration and maybe his thought,

like maybe Sean Payton. Like, what if I had a fresh start with a younger player? Right. It feels like the relationship may have run its course. And both teams are looking to get separated. And I think if the Chargers detect even a whisper, of the fact that somebody's going to give Philip Rivers a pretty good contract and install him as their face of their franchise,

they're just going to franchise tag him themselves and try to trade him. Right, because that would be the most chargers thing possible. A guy who has started 224 straight games, the second most in NFL history behind only Brett Farb. I mean, everyone sings seapulms about Eli Manning's durability, as they should. Philip Rivers has never missed the game in his entire career is even longer than either of the Manning's streaks. It would be fitting for the Chargers who have botched basically their goodbye to every great player they've ever had for his last days to be protracted struggle where they franchise tag him and then trade him for like a sixth round pick to the Colts and alienate a player who has been far better than the offensive lines or the running games or basically anything that Tom Telesco has surrounded him by.

I think it's telling too and it's concerning for the entire Chargers organization the lack of Philip Rivers buzz. to Eli Manning because the fan base does not exist right now. But Ian made it clear they're considering franchise tagging him, and his wording was, he made it sound like they're probably ready to move on, but they want to make sure they can do better, and they're not really sure what they could get behind door number two, so they're not totally closing the books on Rivers. They have the number six pick, though. That is not too far away from either moving up for Tua or just drafting a quarterback of their own.

Speaking of a fading borderline Hall fame quarterbacks, Tom Brady is also a free agent to be. Where is he rank on your list? He is first. No, he's ninth. He's right behind Breeze. He's right behind Breeze. Joe Montana did an interview,

a sit-down with our own Mike Silver. And of course, Montana is, well, he's always at the forefront of, you know, this week because he's Joe freaking Montana. But this week, and he'll make the media rounds, and you always see Joe around this time of year on Super Bowl week. And Joe, tell us a little bit more about 1,800 flowers.

Well, let me tell you. He's also, he's got his own brand of Skechers, I believe. But these are his two former teams of the 49ers where he had all of his glory. And the Chiefs, of course, where he played his final two seasons. And Mike Silver asked Montana about that process of going from a place, the only place you've ever known, to kind of starting fresh.

and Montana was very honest talking about how difficult it was, asked specifically what advice he'd give to Brady, Montana about the possibility of leaving the Patriots and signing with another team. Montana smiled and said, don't if you don't have to. It's a process to go through, and it takes time to get used to the team.

He also said he has fond memories of his times with the chiefs and his offensive coordinator, Paul Hackett, was the quarterback's coach in San Francisco, which helped the process and made it an easier process for him in terms of, you know, a new play book and all that. But it is a reminder that we throw around this, oh, where's Tom Brady playing? Oh, I'll go to the Chargers or I'll go to the Colts or go here. What a gargantuan challenge that would be for Brady and not going to change his legacy, but it puts a different ending to his story.

And you can understand even, Greg, a guy like Brady who has long professed his wish to play until he's in his mid-40s, he would have to probably swallow hard before actually deciding to leave New England. I think hearing Joe Montana, his childhood hero's opinion on it actually could hold some weight because whoever is... He's one of the only guys.

Who's ever been in that sort of situation? I thought if you really listened to what Brady said the last time he spoke, and it's not a surprise, I think he wants to stay in New England. I think the question is he's not sure if they want to keep him. that's that's the bigger question to me it's not whether he wants to leave i think he would leave

if he has to it's really if they want to keep and they meaning bill belichick because robert craft has made it clear the plan is robert craft said even just days ago that that tom brady is wanted that it makes me wonder the worst case scenario here is that it causes friction and um a schism between craft and belichick that's like the worst case scenario for a Patriots fan and the best case scenario for basically every other human that is interested in the sport. It's one reminder that we're heading into this free agency period that is going to receive more hoopla than ever before unless this stuff is sewn up quickly because of these

quarterbacks we're talking about. I don't really think that it's a great idea for any one of them to suddenly start over in their late 30s and 40s with another team. It just seems like you're getting the final year or two of Tom Brady on the Chargers. How is that going to play out? Right, and I know we'll talk about it, but it really struck me that no quarterback in NFL history had thrown for more than 1,500 yards in their age 42 season before Brady.

There basically had never been a quarterback that was a starter for an entire year until Brady last season. So he was by far the greatest 42-year-old quarterback of all time. And it's just like, it's just kind of like, why would you expect him to keep breaking these boundaries at the highest levels? It's just a lot to expect. And, you know, speaking of Kobe Bryant, you know, everybody, you know, certainly I am, and I know you guys probably are too, are reading a lot about his career and retrospectives and all that.

And what's his name, Wojbomb, the Svian? Adrian Wojianowski. Adrian Wojianowski. He wrote a piece. He knew Brian quite well, and he reflected on his encounters with him through the years, including near the end of Bryant's career. He, like Tom Brady, spent, you know, 20 years with one team. and he remembers a conversation with Brian where he was saying he was certain that Lakers management

was looking to buy him out of his contract and use that amnesty clause that the NBA teams can use to get out from under ugly veteran contracts. And it never came to fruition, but it just reminds me as you're talking about this, Greg, how these things, they get tricky at the end when the player is this veteran and he's a legend and he's getting paid a lot of money, but he's no longer helping. a team like he once did. It just becomes a tricky situation for all parties. All right.

Now, Media Night, opening night, we talked about it with Kobe and how that was a major topic. Any other kind of takeaways from Media Night? Greg, I'll start with you on this. Well, let's think. I like the little bit that Kyle Shanahan talked about where the after when he puts in the first 15 play script. that has sort of become famous, you know, from Bill Walsh and Kyle Shanahan's a fairly direct descendant through his father, Mike Shanahan, from Bill Walsh, you know, the famed 15-place script of what they're going to do at the start of the game. And they asked, and I think it was

one of our guys. It might have been Dion that asked him about it. And he said, well, I'll probably put it in like either late Friday night or Saturday morning. And that was, you know, to Dion, that was a surprising answer. And I think it's fascinating. They put in the entire game plan last week. You know, they have all the plays that they possibly could run in the game. But Shanahan, kind of like, I don't know, what we would do as students or we do for our podcast, he waits a little bit to the last minute. And he wants to see what he's feeling is the right moment to do it. And then he puts it in.

And there are many good reasons, I think, for that. Are you saying he's procrastinating? No, I'm not saying he's pro. He thinks it's the best way to do it to wait into the end. And so maybe it's not getting stale, that he doesn't get stuck too much. and I have to do this or that. He sees how the plays go during the week, and it keeps, like, the whole thing a little fresh going into the Super Bowl.

And coaches are creatures of routine. He's used to doing that every Friday night during the season. When Bill Walsh first started this, wrote about this in Ohio River offense, he met with Paul Brown on Saturday mornings to go over the openers because he was working on them on Friday nights. I think that comes from the Bill Walsh tree. I think it's also a communication with your star quarterback, with your team in general that if you put out, like if we, when we plan our show,

if it's a Thursday show and we try to hammer it on on Wednesday morning, we're going to have to do 45 text messages about changes. We have new information, right? And it's like, why not almost wait till the last minute if you're the Niners, the most, as much information as you have? And when you give those plays and you share it, it's as clear and it doesn't change. Maybe everyone knew this kind of thing already, but it was a rare thing from opening night that seemed like new and different.

I don't know. My one thing, I thought, Andy Reid talking about players saying that he's still coming up right now, drawing up new plays that they've never even used to take into the Super Bowl. I worry about when, like, the chasing, for instance, I heard them well working. We've got so much extra time. We're going back 13, 15 games with the 49ers, and we're doing all this crazy, like, using all that time. And I always, like, you always worry about the teams that start to do too much, you know, just do what you normally do. George Kittle got a riser, and he acknowledged, I thought this was,

not so subtle flex he waited to share this until he was on the riser at opening night at the super bowl he's played with a torn labrum since 2018 now that's a man well yeah i mean it's impressive but also obviously has not been a major factor in his play because he's playing with more physicality after the catch than any tight end in the NFL he's blocking as well as any tight end in the NFL he was first team all pro by war i think pf had him graded as like one of their highest I think they said he was their best player in the NFL this season was George Kiddell, according to PFF. Were you questioning, Dan, his manhood, like before this? This is what it took to put it over the top.

But it's just next level stuff. You have to go to the Shieldsau ball team. And when you see Chris Wessling, you know, playing 17 games on a bad shoulder, it reminds me of Joe Namath having to tape his leg from his ankle to his hip just to get on the field. That's Wes, slinging the ball. all over to skip at first base you also had a cold at one point during that season i dealt with some yeah uh some issues a lot on your part yeah yeah and some head head cold i'll never forget west um taking himself out of the championship game to give me a little more playing time because he because he thought that was what was best for the team a little bit of a sneaky

hero boy move though what taking my best out of the game i want to play but i was a hundred and for his made-for-tiv-movie. Well, I appreciated a few extra innings. It was going to be like... I got on base every at bat. Thing was, Shook had to come in. Shook needed some playing time, and it was coming in for Greg,

and I just said, we need Greg's defense out there in right field. Take me out. Selfless. Greg got more attention for it. Got on base every single time, if you want to... Right.

I was waiting for the humble... Captain Spiros is on the phone. That was the legit one. We got breaking news here. Okay, he's on the phone. He's turning. Almost looks like he's turning the bow. boat around while he's talking.

I know. It's like we're talking, but I shudder to, it's a really, I mean, this, my, um, good friend Mike Fathers Fowley,

his family came from Cuba. So many of, so many people in the city came from Cuba and are probably thinking of their families like at the 7.7 earthquake is an, an insane number that I don't want to find out what's, we're going to find out when we get back. Dan, Dan is very concerned about this phone call, though.

Wait, can you hand Captain Spiro? Captain Spiros, can we get your comment? I saw you were just on the phone. Is everything okay? It's perfect. Nothing to be worried about? If you say good words about the captain, you are safe.

Otherwise, you have a problem. Captain Spiros of the Van Dutch. A hero. Talk about a real man. All right. I wouldn't even know how to turn the boat on. Oh, also Katie Sowers, the woman who's a Niners coach. Chief's tattoo.

Scandal Oh, she's from Kansas And it was I read that it was a tattoo Of the Kansas City skyline And she actually played Unlike some people on this show Played football herself

At a professional level In Can't for eight years Hero Ball You don't need to tell us Why she should be a coach She's certainly qualified But I'm just talking about the scandal Did you just simply set me up for that flick

She said You know She's a proud Kansas City All right, well, if the Niners lose, you'll know why. She got more, you know, from the people there, she got more people around here probably than just about anyone at opening night. It is pretty cool. Kyle Shanahan brought her from Atlanta where she was also in a system. I also liked hearing that my guy Tom Brady, you know, was congratulating Jimmy G.

People forget Jimmy G's got two Super Bowl rings. I mean, they had a bit of a thorny relationship towards the end of their Patriots run together, didn't they? Jimmy Gee and Jimmy G was coming for his job. He just wanted to be in the news cycle this week. He's probably annoyed that that became public. You know what else he's annoyed about? Dante Scarnackia is out as offensive coordinator. They say he's retired,

but I think he was quietly fired by Bill Bell. Why would this future Hall of Fame first assisting coach to make the Hall of Fame ever do it? Ever get thrown out. Now you lose Scarnia. Just out of pure mendacity. We have to be a little panics, Greg. In the ride over here towards the boat,

you were claiming that it just doesn't matter and you're fine with the Patriots. Our podcast has covered more Super Bowls than the Jets and Browns have ever been in by a factor of five. Why do you need to go in that direction? I'm just saying, like, why in that direction do you need to go? It's just not a beautiful time. It's a lot of great time.

I'm fine with 20 years of total darkness. Right, it's been, it's what. Just say we've been to one combined. You've been to one combined. Well, I was trying to do the math. How many have we covered for the Patriots? Five, I think. It feels unless.

Five of six, yeah. Yeah, not anymore, though. It's over. All right. And finally, let's give the last word from media night. I'm sorry, opening night. They rebranded it a few years back. I struggle with that.

Richard Sherman, who's obviously one of the more thoughtful NFL players, and he's a Los Angeles native. So, of course, he was going to be asked about Kobe. Let's hear what Sherman had to say. Well, he meant a lot. He meant a lot to everyone. You know, he meant a lot to the city of L.A. and he's a tremendous idol.

Like I said, there's not enough praise I can give him. There's not enough words in my vernacular and my vocabulary to give him the praise and the respect that he deserves. But he deserves every inch, every ounce of respect, every ounce of gratitude. And he gave me a ton of inspiration. I'm sure he inspired millions and billions and trillions of other kids. You know, there's no limit to the impact he's had on my city

and on cities around the world. extremely well put all right that's what's happening in the news now let's get to it the sinker we're on a boat so sinker swim narratives nailed it of super bowl 54 um I asked you guys to kind to kind of throw out some storylines that you've seen popping up over the last week or so and I don't know whether you agree with the narrative or you're here to debunk it but they are narratives are you thrown out any I have a couple like the narrative guy I have a a couple but I want I want to just tee you guys up Mark you seem like the type of guy in fact I know you to be the type of guy who you exist mostly to just shoot down things so I'm going

assume you're not going to agree with either of these here's the first one everyone assumes a shootout is on tap in Super Bowl 50 well I know so I what even my own prediction for somewhere on our website try to go find that somewhere it was like 41 to 40 because it just like the first thing that came to mind like of course you're not going to say it's not a shootout now Are you? No, so I mean, are you trying to say that they don't promote the Super Bowl predictions piece? Because that probably gets promoted more than any article. Just because you haven't checked out NFL.com.

I am not. That's not the main point of this conversation. And let's not. This is not the day. Would you like me to answer this question? Are we just going to go up into 42 different verbal rivulets before I give you my answer? This is, this is not the day to get out. Verbal rivulets on a real rivulet.

I love it. What a statement. I would point to this number one. that last year at this time, we were coming out of an AFC championship that was a shootout between the Chiefs and Patriots, and with a Rams team that everyone just assumed would score 35, 40 points. Not everyone, but that was sort of this, oh, this, who knows what could happen in this thing. That's, that's my case number eight. This game could be 287. This game could be 283 that I just don't assume.

Oh, you think it could be a blowout. I think it could be a blowout, number one. I don't assume that both teams are going to drop 50 points on each other here. That's a good point. Mark raises a good point. The two quarterbacks with the highest points per game in NFL history probably are going to have a low-scoring game. I'm just kidding. But these are like the two highest-scoring career.

It's bad when Wes is taking. It's improbable. You never see the scientists turn on another or a... Listen, I'm not saying this. It's a narrative because it's partially logical. But last year, not a single person was talking about 13 to 3. Are you supporting that this will be a high-scoring game? It's sinking.

It's very confusing. Bunking in process because I am upset with myself for picking 41 to 40. It seems too boring and predictable. And this mark is the wrong day to get on NFL.com promotionally because I went to their homepage just today and right there in the headline stack, as they call it, Sessler, colon, why I want James comma Lamar to win a title. You know, listen, I believe that with all my heart. With all my heart, I believe that column I read.

timely. I mean, when I think of Mark's attachment and support of James Winston over the years, just like the energy that he's invested, finally wanting him to get over the top, it's nice to see that getting promoted as one of the big stories about NFL.com. They asked me to pick 10 people that had not won a Super Bowl. It was 10 people that I like to see make the Super Bowl that had not coming off that when you click in there. And tell me it would not be

intriguing to see James Winston with some other team get into the super I like the wording though Sessler why I want James comma Lamar to win a title I can't I don't I don't I don't believe a word of that I feel like I've been honking about James on this podcast for four years and all you do is dismiss him

well you're a man of contradiction I can change my mind occasionally Wes here's a narrative that you threw out there Jimmy G equals Bob greasy debunk or support give me a break with this one. We're debunking it. What are you talking about? First of all, there was only one quarterback

this year to finish in the top five of completion percentage, yards per attempt, and touchdown passes, and that was Jimmy G. This was not all running. He's 23 and five as a starter under Kyle Shanahan. The other 49ers quarterbacks under Kyle Shanahan are three and 20. So he has an 820 winning percentage, the highest in NFL history. All other San Francisco 49ers quarterbacks have a 167 winning percentage under Kyle Shanahan. What happened when Bob Greasy got injured in 1962? His backup, Earl Morrow went 9-0 and won first team all pro because he could do the same job Bob Greasy could do.

The 49ers quarterbacks can't do the same job, Jimmy G's doing. Give me a break with this narrative. Nothing about Jimmy G's skill sets suggest the team doesn't totally trust him. They totally trust him. I do think that it was interesting to hear Kurt Warner talk about it on NFL network today that if you look at these game plans and these scripts, that if Kurt Warner back in the day with the Rams as a young starter was told you're going to be throwing the ball probably eight or nine times in a half in the Super Bowl that he would totally revolt that the quarterbacks he won't if you're Jimmy G you want to throw the ball 25 30 times no matter what you tell anyone else thank you for this Wes he's been money on third downs too he's been a great third day quarterback these two games are pretty random there are almost no other games they had all season that were quite like this with that said I'd

I do think, for instance, in the, was it, the Vikings game after he made the interception and then they, you know, went pretty run-heavy. I think they totally trust Jimmy G. But I think Kyle Shanahan knows how good his defense is, how good his running game is, and that Jimmy G mistakes is the riskiest thing they have because he makes a lot of mistakes. He takes a lot of sacks. He fumbles the ball a lot. So you're saying Kyle Shanahan's a good coach.

Right. I'm just saying that he is the highest variance of. of a really great team, and he's facing a quarterback who's not only makes way more big plays and is more talented, but makes way, way fewer mistakes. So if he can keep a lid under Jimmy G., like why not? Two things could be true. Yeah, yeah. You could trust your quarterback, which Kyle Shanahan, I believe, does, but also know that your running game should be the motor against certain teams depending on the game plan as they were in the two-point-up games. And this sets up that way.

I mean, the Chief's defense is about as imbalanced, you know, when you look at the efficiency, pass versus run as almost any defense in the league. They're a really good pass defense, pretty deep secondary, you know, solid pass rush, a good scheme against the pass, and a terrible run defense. It's very similar to the last couple ones. Chief's defense is better or even above average? DeBunk or confirmed. Led yourself into that trap.

I did. I don't think they're that much better. And I've... Than last year? Than last year. They're a little better. But I watch them and I guess I'm putting a lot of stock in the two playoff games versus the entire season.

They haven't played well in the postseason. Everyone looks concerned. Everyone in this boat right now is looking very concerned. Well, Erica asked us to take a look at a nearby yacht. Is that what we're looking at? What is the motivation here, Erica? It was just a really good. really beautiful boat, and I thought you would like to look at it.

It was like, it is crazy. I mean, there are people sunning on the front of it. Erica's very into the boats. You used to own a boat. You're a yachter. I wish I was a yachter. I'm not a lot. But I do.

I've been driving boats. I've been driving boats since I was 12. I love them. Wow. We're in a beautiful 55 footer, and Greg's like, you think I know anything about boats? I was like, well, you know numbers. We didn't have any context of that's bigger and small. You're telling me you've been in a more beautiful Super Bowl locale than this.

Never. Come on. What we've had for the last half an hour. It beats everything. We're cheating live here, folks. I wonder what they're going in Ohio right now. I mean, the Chief's defense seems spoilt. My point is, they seem entirely beatable,

and they might be a little bit better than they were a year ago, but are they above average? I don't think so. They've got three good players, Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Tyron Matthew. Just about every other part of their defense feels like a weakness. I don't think in recent weeks you go down 24-0, you go down 17-7.

I mean, you are vulnerable, but they have the offense that almost makes it a non-issue on some way. of my thought of, I mean, when you really just, like, line up the matchups, I think Kyle Shanahan is looking at this Chief's defense, and he's loving it. He's licking his chops. He's looking his chop. Like, if you just look at the matchups, the 49ers seem like the better team. Mark Sessler, confirm or debunk, anyone on either team talking about not getting enough respect from football head. What happened to sink or swim, by the way? Sink or swim. Sink that one. That one needs to sink to the bottom of the Miami River, because I, it's happened

a little bit with Richard Sherman, and that's not a surprising person to utter these kinds of comments necessarily, but you hear it for a little bit on both teams. So, you know, we're not, we're not getting the respect we deserve. We're not getting the attention. It's like, I would just say, though, the Niners have been glowed over all season, and the chiefs of the team everyone kind of wanted in this position from before the season. So where is this lack of respect, lack of interest coming from? Maybe Adam Ranked picks out of 49ers to go 3 and 13. People have been really holding. Why do you need to take a coworker and then, just drag them off the end of the boat that way.

No, he talks about it more than, he loves it. He loves it. He talks about it, but when you bring it up about it, you know. All around us. All right. Wes. I thought I did a good job there, by the way. You did nicely.

All right. I'm proud of you. Wes, sink or swim. Patrick Mahomes is off to the best start. Mark Brady is very uncomfortable right now. Shadowy League figure with all the nice boats around us. It's not our fault. There are nice boats everywhere in Miami.

If we're saying worst take gets thrown overboard, Greg goes overboard because he's been spouting this off for the last few weeks with no regard for perspective, no regard for a wide view of history, no regard for actually the truth, which is Patrick Mahomes in his breakout year, his great year, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. Damn, Reno did that four decades ago in his second season. Try buying, try paying 1984 prices for a house today. day you've had six passing revolutions since dam merino did this for him that's about the equivalent of going for 65 touchdowns and 6,000 yards now it would blow everyone's mind it would blow gregg's mind that was the best story man ill history dam merino not patrick mahomes here's my thing that they are the only two i think in the conversation i think kirk warner is not far away my homes right yeah kurt warner it's tricky he's old he's older but you're right is right there but here's

the thing. Mahomes in his first year was the MVP. He was the best player in the league. His second year in the NFL. Right. I'm saying first two years as starter. I'm not, I would have counted Aaron Rogers' first two years, which he had to wait. Well, Dan Marino was busy playing and when a rookie of the year when he was a rookie. That's fine. Oh, dang. His second year, he's the number three quarterback in the league I would put him at. So what quarterbacks in their first two years would be a top three quarterback those two years. Now, another part of it is absolutely that I watched every game. Like, do we respect the football heads opinions who just watch guys on weekends? you know, or watch players when they're in primetime games and in playoff games and makes big opinions.

I'm not going to have that strong a take off of Dan Marino when I really didn't see him play back then. So you're just going to ignore that he ever happened because it makes your argument. I'm going to look at the, his second year in terms of all-pro, he had a little less of a year. They would be right-need everything even the next year after that. You want him to go away because it's convenient for your argument, but Dan Marino exists and you can't throw him overboard. No, I'm not. But they would be similar. And it also goes to my that quarterbacks are better now than they were.

Like, athletes are better than they were before. Like, you didn't watch Dan Marino that year. So it's, like, very hard to, like, know how good he really was. Isn't this all kind of pointless? Because haven't we talked to on this podcast? It's pointless to argue over players in different generations. I'm just correcting Greg for refusing to pay any respect to anyone who came before Patrick's home. All right.

He's one of, at worst, he's one of the top two quarterbacks ever in terms of his first two years as a starter. and the physical skill set and the athleticism and everything else that he has, it's obviously better because athletes are better and he's like a next generation. Like this is not a hot take. Dan Rana went like half a year without getting sacked. You're badmouting his skill set

because you never really watched him. All right, everybody calmed down, scientists. There's no time for scientists shenanigans in the lab on a boat. It just doesn't make sense. Logically, you can't have a lab set up a boat. We made plenty of time for it. I want to throw out a narrative that connects

to what we just talked about though which i'm hearing a lot of but people what is the old line those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it yes you know back in 1984 everyone said oh dan merino you know he got wiped out by the niners coincidentally he'll be back you know everyone seems you know oh patrick mahomes is on the scene of the super bowl and something tells me this isn't going to be his first bite of the apple you don't know and it actually speaks to a larger point that goes beyond Mahomes or anything. And it's something that's popped up time after time in the years covering the sport is that when you get to this point, you need to win.

Because the future promises nothing and the history of the NFL is littered with teams that thought they were just at the verge of getting to the mountain top. And even though they didn't get there, we'll get there next year. The Atlanta Falcons come to mind. The Jacksonville Jaguars come to mind. And that's just recently. Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers. Cam Newton.

Andrew Breeze. He did win it, but he has not been back in the decade since. And Mahomes isn't a great situation to have a long, successful run because like Tom Brady, he is on a team that is well run from the top down. And you get a feeling that they will not let that roster go to rot. And because he's so good, he could then fill in the gaps the way Brady once did. However, nothing is. promised and you got it's so important that these teams and we know that as the famous damashekism

is just a must-win game yes obviously both teams are doing everything in their power to win the super bowl but the team that loses and old francesism we're going to have chris mad dog rousseau oh can't wait on a show on thursday the old man uh franciseline was it's the there's nothing worse than losing in the super bowl you'd rather lose in the title game than losing the super bowl because there are scars that come with it now whether you believe in that or not is another conversation but just in general there are no promises win the game you got here. All that is true but

if you're in the AFC West don't you have to look at it from now on as I've got to build my team specifically to stop Patrick Mahomes and the division and they have an edge but Andy Reed Andy Reid is a great example I mean I keep talking about how he's you know maybe the most influential coach

the last 20 years he hasn't been in a Super Bowl since 15 years ago they weren't you know they lost that one he has not been back since he's had a lot of good teams since then and he hasn't been able to get back kyle shanahan who's coming off you know when he was in the super bowl as a coordinator one of the toughest moments like you can possibly imagine he he knows it he said watching those mike shanahan teams for a while you know as a kid he didn't think the afc was even allowed to win a super bowl he knows how precious it is that was how brutal it is that was an insane run of dominance by the NFC. I mean, I think if you want to look at

a group of people that faithfully return to the Super Bowl every year, it seems to be us. We're the one guarantee. Yeah, we do make it. Every year. Why until this year? Because you're still... There's some events that have transpired. I mean, the waters are relatively calm underneath the boat at the

moment. Famous last words, my friend. Although, like I said, Captain Spiros is under control. So I'm under control. That was for the list. I have extreme confidence. The captain looked back at me with those lookup panic everywhere. Anybody else want to throw one out there that I haven't touched on, but you definitely want to hit?

Mark, you had one. I know. Oh, I'm a little annoyed that people have dismissed my sandwich proposition from much earlier on in the year. Mark's holding the microphone handle really tight again. Sorry. You could see the veins bulging out of your, like, underneath your knuckles. Just how my hands work. I don't like that.

It puts everybody on edge. Why can't I just do it? Why can't I just do it? I'm used to do it this way. Does that put me on edge. Do not try to blow up another of my narratives. This was the one that a player will miss. Your knuckles are literally throbby.

Ricky, can you get a slow shot of the way Mark. A player will miss playing time due to being attacked by an animal. A player will be missed playing time at least part of a game due to being attacked by an animal. And there is still an opportunity for that. is a rough and tumble environment. A lot can happen between now and Sunday. Aguana's falling out of trees. Wes and I saw like a 20-pound iguana sitting around.

It was huge. That thing was sturdy. It was a big guy. And we saw some turkey vultures on the way. Turkey guzzards. You're right. If this is the city where an animal could take a player out. Is this how I'm holding this?

Does that count? Mike, Mark, rather. Mike Sessler. We've only done a thousand shows together. Greg has no idea who we have. Mike Sessler. Does it count if an animal hurts a player during the week and then they miss the game? 100%.

With Mark's predictions, it's always like a horseshoes thing, though. If it's close, I get it. I'll give it to you. It was not just in game. I don't believe it was in the field or off the field. On the boat next door. Oh, we got people dancing. It's like a pontoon boat.

Awesome. How about the narrative that like, do the 49ers are old school? Like, give me a break. They're like the most. the most modern, sort of creative, inventive with their running game of any team in the league. If any other team could imitate what Kyle Shanahan does, they would do it. No one can do it. He's ahead of the game.

It's like, oh, they're old school. This proves that running the football still has a place. Yeah, if you've got Kyle Shanahan, because he's off in like 2035 people are going to be doing. It's stupid. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Although it is interesting that the quarterback threw it 16 times or whatever. It's definitely interesting. It's just not old school.

I think it bubbled up along with the Titans. You know, this was not the playoff approach. We thought we'd get back in last January or February when everyone was hiring gurus to set passing games of fire. Oh, he just passed the mojito bar. I like that. Miami. That was their plan against the Vikings, run it down their throat. But they fell into the Packers game plan.

Like, they were going to pass. And then they thought, why are we even passing on these guys? They're not even close. Didn't need to. Did I mention, by the way, and I'm all mentioned it again, that this wonderful podcast aboard Captain Spiros' ship, the Around the NFL podcast is presented by DiJono, stock up on DiGiorno pizza for the big game. And we are now, I think about to soon head back toward Port, and it's time to get ready to say goodbye. A reminder once again, if you are in the Miami area and you want to see us.

live in person talking a little ball and then afterwards we're of course meet and talk with the fans come on down to the Miami Improv get tickets and we'll have a great old time together on Thursday night 8 o'clock showtime correct Yep 8 o'clock door 7.30

7.30 showtime. Doors are at 630 All right don't miss the news. Show is at 730 Yeah, show at 8th. Don't show at 8th. Close enough. Any other thoughts. Thursday again will be our proper Super Bowl 54 preview with our game picks and all that. And Mad Dog Chris Rousseau, as he mentioned. And the great Mad Dog. We're excited about this.

Oh, I was saying a Dan because, I mean, you know, we all, I grew up listening with my dad in the car to Mike and the Mad Dog, hundreds and hundreds of hours. And, you know, I told him a couple times, hey, we have this guest on or this guest on. And it's all a nice experience, I think, in his mind. He's happy that it's happening. But when I mentioned Mad Dog Rousseau, it's like, oh, wow because that goes back that's deep so son i finally respect you i hope the respect was there before you got some other grown man on your podcast i wonder how many

people at nfl network would not be there if it were not for mike and the mad dog well he they certainly left a huge imprint and one of their great favorite sneered at that but like i am saying that there are maybe the number is four or five but it was well it's the engine you too yeah um so it's but i'll say yes mike and the mud dog were not influential Greg you nailed this take i'm not that at all. I'm rolling through all the people I've ever seen. I'm rolling through all the people on our air in my mind. Give me one.

Give me one. Tommy Kern. They had a big room. Give me one. It's like Omar Ruiz. Yeah, he wouldn't have made it without old Mad Dog. All right. Well, you got two of them on this boat.

Omar Ruiz is the one guy in our company that made it without ever tracking Chris Russo. So he beat the odds. And we're excited for Mad Dog and talking more ball. And thank you again to this wonderful crew aboard the Van Dutch, led by Captain Spiros, who, despite the threat of a looming natural disaster, never blinked. And we thank you for that, Captain. I thank you so much. He's a good man.

Thank you to everybody for having us. This is part of the Stella Fleet, by the way. And if you're, again, in the area, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you could come on down to the Port De Stella and get loose. Right, Ricky? I guess, yeah, but they got these boats. We've got some celebrities coming down. I heard Priyanka Chopra's going to be here.

Jopra? Jane Slater is going to be here. Wait, Chopra. Chopra, she did the Thursday night. Oh, yeah. Well, we once had a producer who kept promising we were going to get Priyanka on the show, and it never happened.

A grand failure by that one producer. It fell through, but I did enjoy her song, Welcome to My City, the original intro to Thursday Night Football. Well, people forget, but... Beautiful song. Check out Port DeSella, and you two can be on this awesome yacht. This is the best podcast we've ever done.

I don't know, content-wise. I've been, like, sightseeing and, you know, doing my thing on this yacht. It's going to be great. And follow along the ATN podcast on Instagram for all our exploits. And the sun's out, and the skies are blue, and there's a gentle breeze, and I'm on the water. I need a drink. So let us begin that process of getting the old Zusser a little loose himself. Stan Hansen.

A little looser. Signing off for it, Quiet Storm. The mailman, the old boss, Ricky Hollywood, Captain Spiro's, and the whole crew of the Von Dutch. Thank you. Till Thursday. I'm going to be able to be. Thank you.

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