NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - OTAs: What Matters & What Doesn’t?

Episode Date: May 26, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Colleen Wolfe, Gregg Rosenthal & John “Gonzo” Gonzalez (live in the flesh!) – recap all the latest news from around the NFL included the league easing up on their anti-celebration stance, and some heat within the Seahawks locker room. Then the heroes dig into some of the top storylines to come out of OTAs this week and tell you which headlines matter, and which should be thrown into the fire with the other tropes. And finally, the heroes bid goodbye to producer La Syd/New Money on her last day behind the glass.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Call the fight. It's the best podcast around. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansus, and I am joined by room filled with some heroes. But all the chairs are filled, and that's the most important thing. Gonzo.

Which one of us is not the hero in this equation? I think I know. Connie Fox, Greg Rosenthal. My name's Dan Hinsis. What's up, boys and girls? You're really thrown off here, huh? Listen, this is Sydney's last show. What?

Let's keep it right there. That's right. We have reached the end of the Yellow Brick Road. I'm both honored and really sad to be here. I had no idea. Yeah, well, we thought, you know, who do we get for Sydney's last show? Who are the people that mean the most to Sydney? And we thought, yeah, Gonzo and Colleen.

Yeah, it would have been. You're welcome, Sid. Yeah, it would have been great to have the foursum that you've dealt with the most here. But they couldn't make it. Wes has a good excuse. Mark's busy. He's on vacation. But you got us.

Listen, this is an absolutely lovely group of humans. And I'm honored to. That's nice of you. I'm so sad, though. This is Obama. Way to bring it down, Hansus. Well, just keeping it real here. I just don't know who this is.

I don't even know. Yeah, who is this guy? John Ronald Gonzalez, born March 12th, 1977 is an American sports writer who's married to NFL media broadcaster. Colleen Wolfe, John, who's a Pisces, resides in Los Angeles with his wife and two dogs.

This is awfully meta, because you have me on to talk about who I am. Can we just stop real quick? Because you guys have created, I don't think you quite realize, the reach and scope of your listenership because this whole thing began because Rosie, who is a friend of mine

and lives very close, was like, block and a half away, yeah. Nobody knows. I've been doing this for 20 years. He's like, nobody ever heard of this dude, and then you ran with it and created this drop.

Well, I'm just saying, you know, when you're first bringing someone up, you can't assume that they've listened to all the old episodes. It's called broadcasting. I like it and I understand,

but what I'm saying to you is that you guys leave this bit at the door where it then is thrown on to me. And this is what I wanted to bring up to you. So, you know, I've been doing some writing for other concerns, and I wrote a big piece for the ringer.

You should check it out. about the road-tripping podcast. It's Richard Jefferson and Channing Fry and Cavs Island reporter Allie Clifton, and it's a very good podcast. Is that a humble plug? Not so humble, but this is not the point. The point is that I write this piece

and it's about basketball on the ringer and within seconds, my mentions get exploded by who is John Gonzalez. Few people are everywhere. You have ruined my mentions and I wanted you to know that. I do love that we get that a lot Across all platforms, Instagram, everywhere.

Who is John Gonzalez is, like, now bigger than John Gonzalez? I don't think so, but that's kind of rude. Rosie has just, like, completely points my career. 20-year career. It writes from major publications has an Emmy in his back pocket. Regional. Regional, all right. It's like three quarters of an Emmy.

Yeah. Yeah, so Sydney's last day, and we did, we took, we took Sydney. out for lunch. Greg and I did today. It was a really great awkward Greg moment. I love it. Oh, what happened? Yeah, do tell.

Well, he did a great job getting a gift for Sydney, but then had like this little pink tote bag. And instead of waiting until we got here for the show, he brought the tote bag with him to meet Sydney outside the commissary. And then poor Sydney had to carry this thing all the way to lunch, all the way back. And then I waited. I actually didn't say anything during lunch.

I want to see. Will Greg say, all right, said anyone want to open up the gift or anything? She never opened it. So she just carried this bag. We still don't know if she knows what's in the bag. Have you looked in it yet? I haven't looked in it. You can open it right now.

Right here live on the air? Yeah, do it. Why not? It's a special day. Good audio. It's an audio medium, but you know, we can talk through it. Sally behind the glass. Can you get this on video, perhaps?

Oh, I think Dan was upset that he didn't get a gift, too. It's from all of us. It's from all of us. I put a lot of money and thought into this. There's the play-by-play. Pulled it out of the pink bag. It's in tissue paper. Right?

We going? We going? This is some great podcasts. And Sydney, you can edit this out. Somebody tell Sally that you've got to hold the phone sideways, horizontal. He's like, good job, Sally. Yeah, video sideways. Oh, it's a lovely picture of all five of us on plaque.

Oh. And now I'm emotional. The goal is to get Cindy to cry by the end of the episode. Wait, can you heard it this way? When you say the five of us, I assume that you mean Colleen and I are in that foot. Yeah. Of course. Oh.

Beautiful. That is nice. Sydney, we're so happy to have you for one more episode, but we have a lot to get to. We'll get back to Sydney throughout the episode. But so much to get to. Oh, my God. A lot of news.

First full week of OTAs. So we're going to go through the news. John, you've been in Cleveland covering the calves and all matters NBA, but I know you've obviously preparing for this spot. You've been doing a lot of NFL deep dive reading and research. I know that. I have done as much research for this pot as I did for Damashik's pod. when we did that so I am prepared let's do it uh so yeah we'll go through all that we'll also

on the subject of OTAs uh Greg Rodebanger what matters and what doesn't matter we just did an NFL network hit on the same subject and now we will break it down in depth on this podcast because that's what we do and maybe a couple surprises along the way but let's get going no more dilly dallying. We've got to move forward. Sidney, there are no reverse gears in this tank. Let's do some news. Good night. And good luck.

All right. So let's start with some rule changes in the NFL. Oh, everybody loves rule changes, especially this one. They're relaxing the celebration rules that have been in effect that have really got, if you follow the game closely, one of the annoying subplots on Sundays, if you're somebody that has to stay plugged into your Twitter or you have tweet deck. It became a part of Sunday that people complaining about flags coming out for different things.

And I think the NFL got the message and they spoke with all these different people. Rogg released a press release that even had gifts in it showing what was now allowed and all this. But anyway, the end of the day, you can now do some different things that you weren't able to do before. Roger says, quote, there is now more room to have fun to make after big plays. Colleen, you excited about this? More room for fun.

This is awesome. I mean, I can't believe that this is a thing anyway that we have to talk about, the fact that there was a rule against celebrating in the NFL. But I think that somebody like Von Miller is going to bring us many celebrations. He even suggested that they bring in a choreographer because of all the linemen, maybe there can be some type of like tentations routine after he sacks somebody. or whatever. So it's going to be great.

Here are some of the examples of celebrations now permitted. You can now use the football as a prop after a touchdown. You could celebrate while on the ground, Snow Angel, maybe. And group demonstrations, as Colleen just hinted at, now also on the table. Gonzo, your thoughts? I'm pro-fun. I've been pro-fun pretty consistently my entire life. I did actually see this part, so I'll get involved here before taking a nap in the corner.

The press release had an exclamation point on it They're already starting with the fun Oh wow They had slammers in the presser They had an exclamation point Right in the headline of it So that knows you mean That means that they mean business

This is wonderful This is long overdue I feel bad for Chattachosenko and Tio They're probably thinking like They're pioneers Well just also thinking like Why were you bugging us the whole time The thing that's a little crazy is

You know we've done all this research And we found out from fans that they They love fun. Literally one year ago, one year ago at this time, people forget. This is kind of why this is happening. The NFL instituted of rule of emphasis, the entire opposite direction against group celebrations. That caused more flags. That got everyone complaining.

So one year ago at this time, the NFL literally was doing the exact opposite trying to crack down. And I guess they just got beaten down. And also, it's kind of ironic and funny that something that's designed, oh, now let's have more fun. a multi like hundreds of NFL players discussions deep dives about all this on whether or not you should have fun it kind of stands on opposition of what fun is that's not fun no twerking though still right no twerking and you can't no pumps no pumps no pumps godell apparently tweeted at keegan michael key about that yeah see because rog is about fun now these are the things that are in my purg wow see i didn't know that you're moron you did do some well gonzo reads end around that's

these are that's true i'm a big fan of enderone uh i think that it's interesting though that you're saying that the NFL was inconsistent about this point. That doesn't sound like the NFL. And also you still can't dunk over the crossbars, which is all Jimmy Graham's fault. Oh, come on that. It's all his fault. Here's the thing. This, like

complaining, like the people that are sticking the muds and don't like it, like that's not going to go away because players are going to take this and they're going to go hard. You mentioned, I mean, they're going to go hardcore. Initially they will. Group celebrations are now allowed. This is going to get elaborate. I think it'll be fun to see.

But it's going to kind of be like in basketball. Do you remember basketball? Do I? This is the pod for me. Let's talk more. Like that's what it's going to start getting weird and wild like stuff we have not seen before. And that's going to get that's going to get its own pushback. Who's really going to complain?

It's going to be Marvin Lewis and racist grandfathers. Yeah. That's pretty much it, right? Like where do you draw the line at too much fun? I like Pete Priscoe, but he'll complain. Where is your dad on this? Who, Keith? Yeah.

I have to talk to. Keith about this. I think he might be leaning towards the Marvin Lewis realm. Really? Yeah. He's of a generation that like I need my football and none of this nonsense. Yeah, everybody's going to, he thinks people should just act like you've been there before.

Like, oh, it's cool. You know, we'll draft Joe Mixing and let's keep Pac-Man Jones through his fifth arrest. But the glaring hypocrisy is notable. But who cares? It doesn't matter. We have celebrations again. All I'm thinking about is the reenactments of like all

of the celebrations from any given Sunday slash the replacement. Just give me that. And less of the last Boy Scout. We don't want that. Things went terribly dark in that one. And other changes to the rules. Shorter overtimes are coming to the NFL in 2017. Team owners approved shortening overtime in the preseason and regular season from 15 to 10 minutes

at the Spring League meeting in Chicago on Tuesday. The approval comes after the proposal was initially presented to owners in March at the annual league meeting. and I Greg make sense of this one to me because I don't get it the only thing to me it promotes is more ties nobody likes ties why why why it's weird

I think it's like a half measure on the way to doing something else like they either getting rid of overtime or making it so that there's just one possession each because they clearly they're not comfortable with that much football being played and then maybe you have a game Thursday but it's like what does five minutes do?

Yeah this is a less exciting It's not going to change much either. But, yeah, their whole thing is from a safety standpoint, and overtime could lead to potentially 18 to 20 more snaps in a game. And, yeah, if you're playing on a Thursday night and that's a Sunday night game, like everybody remembers the awful Cardinals Seahawks Six-Sty last year sitting through that. That was a great game, though. Oh, my God.

I mean, I guess so. No, it wasn't. Jesus. It was. Like football and Greg, I love you. Football heads like Greg. Go to self. Don't bring that up around Greg.

Yeah, Greg and Wes. Like everybody was saying how many. amazing that game wasn't. Yes, it had a lot of drama. There was stuff happening. It was the game that would never end. It was also bad field goal kickers. What's so fun about that? That was part of it.

I would have taken five less minutes for that. I know we're getting bogged down, but this O.T thing has brought up a pet peeve of mine, which is a lot of people are like, well, there only would have been two games that would have been affected last year. Or I've seen some articles like, these teams would have made the playoffs if this rule had been instituted before. Like, no, everything is going to be different. You can't go back and say that's how that game's going to be played out the same. It's kind of like when a guy makes an out in baseball and they said, well, if you hadn't made that out, you know,

they would have driven those runners. And like, no, everything's going to be different. Strategy will be different. You try to finish these games off quick. I like the baseball analogy there. You know what I'm saying? People always say that. If he hadn't made that error, they would have scored.

If Bruce Ariens likes it, then I like it. Strike three, you're out. I like the cross-pollination of sports on this podcast. This is really good. Two quick things. You said 18 to 20 more steps. Did you do math on that? Well, yeah, that's like, that's what it would be about.

I figured that was, I don't do any number. I figured that was from the, this is really impressive. From the press release or something. Dan doesn't do numbers either. Did you know, Gonzo, I once got a 39 on a state mandated math test. That is higher than I would have expected, and I'm proud of you. The other thing is this whole overtime thing is broken, period. The idea of, I like overtime.

Well, I like overtime conceptually. Who doesn't like overtime? I'm talking about execution-wise, like the, rules that are currently set up where it's hey if you get a touchdown on your first drive you've won and that's that that's stupid it's dumb it doesn't make any sense all right they need we got hey conzo we got a lot to stop all right i don't want i don't want to like put a clamp on you don't it's okay you man can you colin you've been together for how many years 10 12 years something this is a great question i don't know he he has the answers to any dates and years do the

subtle husband-wife thing when you're trying to get the other person to shut up okay every once in a while. Oh, it's not subtle at all. No. Moving on one other rule chain. Now you can send two players to injure reserve and the designated to return thing, which changes the strategy a little bit,

and that feels like a good thing. Who's going to complain about that? Are you, Greg? No. All right, good. Oh, it's the Boomerang one? Is this the IR Boomerang situation? A double, now we have a double IR boomerang.

You can double boomerang. Nice. I like a double boomerang. That's good. Reboom. Reboom. Moving on. Odell Beckham.

congratulations buddy because you just scored the biggest contract of your life has nothing to do with the giants either on tuesday rap sheet reported that beckham reupped with nike in a in what is the most lucrative deal ever for an NFL player and gonzah this is where we can lean on you especially with your basketball knowledge yeah five years 25 million which i've always seen as a cursed contract they're going back oh that's right i forgot about that to neil o'donnell with the jets Danny tardable with the Yankees. And there are several other through the years. If you sign five for 25, you usually your career goes down the tubes. I don't know why. I hope that doesn't happen with the Beckham. But my point being,

five for 25 is nice money. In fact, it's more than the Giants are paying him under his current rookie contract. And then a guy like LeBron has a lifetime deal with Nike worth reportedly or rumored to be over a billion dollars. Why such a huge discrepancy?

I mean, he is LeBron. Like, he's one of the most famous athletes on the planet. No disrespect. But fine, you could say James Hardin. Whatever James Hardin's contract is, it's astronomically more than that Odo Beckham. Yeah, basketball tends to go that way because, again, the visibility, you're not wearing helmets, the shoes. Like, how often are you wearing football cleats as opposed to basketball sneakers? You guys know I like sneakers.

Harding got a $200 million. There you go. You can wear them around. And you can actually wear the same sneakers that James Hardin or LeBron James are wearing on the court, right? You could do that as opposed to the cleats. You're not wearing cleats right now. That would be weird. Plus the helmet.

So Howard Eskin does that. That's true. Howard Askin, 16 times a year. Yeah. Howard Askin in Philadelphia, who's known Philadelphia, just like really. He's the sideline reporter. He will wear cleats on the sideline because he says it's better for his, like, back posture.

It's weird, me. Cleats and beats. And he coordinates them with his outfit. I'm sure he's never been. mocked for that in Philadelphia. Yeah, everybody gives them a pass for it. Five for 25, though, like you said, that's good money. That's like around the NFL money, right?

Yeah. Well, his current contract is five-year rookie contract with the option that's already been picked up for the 50 or 18.8 million. Yeah, that's like what you get me. That's what Sidney turned that down to leave this place. She doesn't need it. She's got all the money she needs. She's got a signature show, I think.

New money. You still haven't, have you worked through your GoFundMe money yet? Are you still living off that? Oh, I'll live off that for several years. Moving on. ESPN. Very interesting piece by Seth Wickersham about Richard Sherman and the Seattle Seahawks. The headline, why Richard Sherman can't let go of Seattle Super Bowl loss. And it really details everything that's happened with that franchise since Malcolm Butler.

And focused on Sherman how his high intensity, it's a high wire act behind the in Seattle and it's it had rubbed the team sometimes teammates the coaching staff front office the wrong way and it all kind of led to what happened this spring where he was on the trade block and it got to the point where the team and the player both acknowledged that that was happening which was very rare Greg I know you read this piece as well I thought it said a lot about how volcanic that team is and to me I read it as there's still obviously an NFC superpower but how much time is left with this core when it just seems just there's just a lot going on behind the scenes. I really recommend reading it and the animosity or bitterness between Sherman and some of the defense and Russell Wilson.

Jealousy is what was the most interesting thing, that it really goes back a little ways. That the way that he's kind of treated almost as part of management, that he's the favorite one, even though the defense is really the reason that they've won and the way he's handled certain things. I mean, they're talking about him asking teammates to sign a non-disclosure agreement before going into his box at a baseball game, I believe it was.

And, like, them complaining that his, like, Christmas gifts that he gives out to the linemen were just first-class tickets on his sponsor. Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines, which is his sponsorship. So they're like, big deal. He didn't even have to pay for that. They're just giving, he's just giving away his spots.

It's like, so there's something where they just don't like them. And Wickersham, who I think is a really good reporter, he said he thinks it goes beyond sort of the normal, hey, this guy's the star. That's the quarterback, like normal jealousy to something a little deeper where it's just like they just don't like him. It's to the point where. Saucy. Yeah, in the piece, which Michael Bennett. That's got to be a drop. Isolates it.

Michael Bennett, who, you know, I don't really care what that guy has to say, but he did go out of his way to rip the writer saying he was surprised and how it was a TMZ type report. Richard Truman went on the radio and shot it down. But I think the Wilson stuff is fascinating, including a part in this piece where it said that he's kind of seen as a phony, which other people outside the Seahawks have a similar viewpoint. But there is a vibe within the Seahawks that the team wants to see him

exposed as being a funny like an a rod type of exposing situation which how can that be healthy for the goal if the goal is winning Super Bowl so your quarterback to become a vilified person in the media and in the public but that's how kind of deep this is this is this is messy it's almost got a mean girls aspect to it but even from the stuff that we've seen with russell wilson before with all of his posts and things with sierra i mean that just seems so forced and staged and like he's trying to prove himself and to me it's really annoying like whenever i saw the things that he was posting with her i was like oh my god i just feel like he's trying way too hard he doesn't have to he's an nfl starting quarterback on a successful team why this has been a thing for you but i know it is

he knows it to well their relationship yeah uh you're not the only one i don't know if you guys know we're married so we sometimes like kind of your bit it's weird yeah they're taking our bit is number one, but too, but as a couple, clearly we pioneered that bit, but, like, as a couple, you sometimes have to think about, like, what you're going to put out in the world. Sure. Sure. The, you know, the all-time

greats at that are John Legend and Chrissy Teigen, and then you go down, down from there. Okay. Do you say all-time? Oh, they're amazing at it. In terms of social media, I mean, like, how long... I do. Like, what kind of history do we have of social media, self-promotion? I mean, you could go... Jay-Z and Beyonce. J-Z and Beyonce. Transcend.

transcend. D'Amaggio. Monroe? Yeah, okay. He might be dating. We weren't there. We weren't there for that. Dating myself. Current, maybe.

What am I 90 years old? And his youth, he used to DiMaggio. Now, DiMaggio, that was a ball player. Not like the players we see today out there. By the way, that was an excellent Damashak doing Hansus. Oh, yeah, yeah. You just did him doing you. That was pretty good.

Yeah. I, by the, I didn't love, I have to be honest, I didn't love the idea of Gonzo and Fox going on the Damashchuk show. Wow. What? I just don't love it. I don't love it. This is, I detect a little jealousy here. Jealousy, maybe not the word, but I'm glad that you're here now. Listen, I have love

for you guys, as you know. We're friends. We hang out outside of your work. I don't here. I also love Damashek. There's plenty of, you don't have to fight over me. There's plenty of me to go around. This is not a Richard Sherman Russell Wilson situation. The entire piece,

and I know we've got to move on. Yeah, we should definitely move on. We should talk more about you and Shaq sharing us, please. There will be no sharing. It's time to make a decision, and I want it at the end of the show. That's what I'm saying. It's like a blood over. Wow. We're going to cut our hands and do that later.

Blood brothers. Great. Moving on, the Super Bowl is moving. At least the Super Bowl. Doesn't it every year? Yeah, I should state that better. Super Bowl 55 is moving. supposed to be in L.A., but L.A., you know,

freak out a little bit when it rains. And L.A. freaked out so much about the winter of a rainfall that we just had that now we can't even open a facility on time. So what happens? The new Englewood facility pushed back a year to 2020, I believe. Is that right? It got pushed back because of the rain? Yeah.

There was a lot of rain. The rain, like, filled up the big hole that you fly over when you come into L.A.X. So they needed to fill the slot, and what did they do? They don't go to New Orleans. What a missed opportunity. They were booked. Whatever they booked. This is the Super Bowl, man.

conventions or something. So it goes to Tampa. Tampa will now host the Super Bowl in 2021, which means, I believe, back-to-back years, the biggest game on Earth will be in Florida. How about that? Tampa's no fun.

Tampa's fine. Not to throw shade of Tampa. I like the Tampa Super Bowl. A little bit of skyscrapers. Are you there? What was that? I can't even remember at this point. You've got Ebor City.

You can walk around. Tampa's fine. There are much worse Super Bowl City. I do like that it will be warm. I support it. Wow. Okay. Stamp of approval.

This is a radical pro-Tampa position that you've staked out. But all right. Moving on, the Browns. What was that? Saints Colts. Great. No, that was in Miami.

Yeah. The, no, the awful Raiders. No. What was the game that was in Tampa? Who cares? Moving on. The Browns have hired Ryan Griggs. Wow, this is crazy.

That's a little bit weird. Ryan Grigson, of course, who was fired after five years as the GM of the cults and was most famous, I would say. Well, two things that he was famous for. One, being lucky enough in his first year to draft Andrew Luck with the first pick, a no-brainer move. I also got T.Y. Hilton that year, but let's calm down. Yeah, didn't he win Top Exec? He did. He did, which is kind of strange.

And then his other famous move came in 2015. 13 when he traded for Trent Richardson and gave up a first round pick and Richardson was a colossal bust egg on Grigsin's grill for the rest of his tenure there and what Browns blew it too because they ended up drafting Johnny Mansell with that pick but anyway the Browns have now hired Grigsin

in the position of senior personnel executive he answers to Sashi Brown and Connie only the Browns right it's weird they're hiring the guy who they swindled and everybody saw it happen and now he's going sort of back to to that point it's just an odd pairing also a divisive figure that hasn't made a lot of or i wouldn't say he might have a lot of friends but he has made some enemies including for instance their former punter in indianapolis pat mackie who quote retweeted the news of this hiring by the browns with just ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha some people don't like it the way Grigsman operates. That's not a good thing when you get that retweet. This, knowing Mark Sessler, how I do, I think he is delighted that he is not in the office

and not on the podcast in which it was announced the Browns were hiring Grigsman because I don't think he's not going to be happy about this. You know what? Because I will say that of all the individuals that have been ripped by Mark on this podcast, Grigson is right near the top of the list. So this makes me excited Yeah, we'll have to hear from his thoughts He's also reporting to a guy who used to report to him

And Andrew Barry, who's their VP of player personnel They used to work together in India I mean, he's, you're a very knowledgeable woman How about that? You know all about this guy. Connect the dots. I think this is, I have a theory on this. I think that this is a little quid pro quo, a little kickback, right?

You helped us out. We're going to get you in the same way that if a politician does something that a lobbyist wants, he gets a lobbying gig thereafter. Greg Bone. Yeah, we want to thank you, Ryan. for getting us Johnny Manzell. Here's a job.

You're now working with the Browns. Here you go. Moving on, Victor Cruz. He got a job. And speaking of, I wish Mark was here for that last one. I wish Wes was here to talk about Victor Cruz staying in the NFL. He signs a one-year deal with Chicago. The team announced he sent out an Instagram of himself Photoshopped into a bear's uniform.

Let's calm down a little bit. Was it a good Photoshop job? B minus Okay Put it a B minus And he's of course Coming from the Giants Where he was kind of a

Legendary Strong But one of the more famous figures With that franchise In the last 10, 12 years It ended poorly with the Giants Which really surprised me In fact Victor had an interesting conspiracy theory

About how his final season At the Meadowlands went Lassid Halfway through the year You're like okay I'm ball And then the other half I'm not getting the ball And you're just like

Well what's going on I'm like okay I see what's happening. They don't want me here anymore. Let's say I played well, and I'm a thousand-yard receiver last year. They would have, it would have been more difficult from a fan perspective to cut me. Right. And if I played well, they were due to, you know, they owed me a ton of money that next year.

So it was like, let's get Cruz off the books. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that would explain while you were open so much and wasn't getting the ball. I'm glad you said it. So it's political like debt? Even more, even more than you think. Uh, okay. Was that the breakfast club, by the way?

Yes. That's amazing. Let's break this down. Victor Cruz believes that the Giants at some point midway through the season decided that they didn't want to bring him back. And they needed to depress his value or his standing with the fans by taking the air out of the ball, essentially, on his season, which I would think would negatively affect the New York Giants since he was still getting snaps. I also don't remember Victor Cruz being open a ton last season. This is the part that I really, that's the part of the conspiracy.

that I really like, because not only did... He thinks Eli's in. Eli is part of the conspiracy. Zend! And in real time, Eli Manning, who has enough trouble being Eli Manning under the best of circumstances, must then calculate not throwing the ball to an open receiver. I love this theory. I'm on board.

This entire interview is well worth a listen. And one of the editors on our desk, Austin Knoblock, who we call El Chapo Blanco, because he's a cold-blooded assassin. He's a badass. Rightly called it Victor Cruz's retirement. retirement speech. That's what this interview was, because I don't know if the Bears heard this before they signed him,

but it just felt like listening to this, just I don't know. You don't want him on your team. And by the way, he was a favorite son of the Giants and the fans. He was a guy that came out of nowhere, a Rutgers guy grew up in North Jersey, and he blew out his knee in Philadelphia on Sunday night,

and they stayed true to him after a failed comeback attempt, even threw himself a welcome back party and then didn't play that entire season. John stayed with him that entire season, kept them in part of their offense last year, even though it was clear that he wasn't the same guy anymore. And then this is how he repays them. Come back to his, Vic. Since Wes isn't here, I'll point out something he might have,

which is that he's probably not going to make this team. I mean, the Bears don't have a good receiver, so it's as good a team, you know, it's as good a chance he has to make any team. he'll be fighting against Kendall Wright maybe is kind of maybe for one spot but it's an uphill battle for him to keep it going It's like typical disgruntled wide receiver talk I like that in the absence of Sessler and Wesleying

that you have channeled both of them in this podcast Rosie so he's impressive We've done a lot of these now We've done a lot of these and Greg is a shapeshifter Who on this pod? Also the strong silent type Who on this pod said that they aren't going to write about Victor Cruz in the offseason?

Didn't somebody have him as their? West. Oh, it is West. Yeah, Wes has major issues with Cruz. And I always kind of had a soft spot for him, but now I'm not feeling as hot about him anymore. Let's move on. Finally, some sad news in the NFL.

Cortez Kennedy was found dead in Orlando on Tuesday. Former Seahawks Great was 48 years old, drafted third overall in the 1990 draft out of the U. He had an incredible 11-year career that ended with a Hall of Fame enshrinement with the Seahawks, 58 career sacks, pro bowler eight times five all pro selections that's the one to watch get five all pro nods you are one of the players of your generation and he played on the seahawks at a time when the seahawks were kind of a team that was just floating in the ether of the NFL they were in the aFC for most of that

tenure and he was the the shining star during the throughout the 90s and sean alexander spoke with NFL network about Cortez Kennedy. Alexander was kind of the next guard that came through in terms of face of the franchises. And he talked about how Cortez Kennedy was proud about being part of the Seahawks lineage. Even when I think about just this last season, the playoffs, it's me and him and Jacob Green

watched sitting in the locker room and you could see how proud Tess was of where the Seahawks are now and to see from Jacob Green to Tess and to passing it to me and to watching, you know, Russell and Sherman and all these boys playing at such elite level. We were all very proud,

and we still are to see Hawks now where they are. But Tess is just a big fixture for that. Kennedy told Stacey Dales at his enshrinement in 2012, now I can say I'm a Hall of Famer and say, Woo! I'm in, baby. I'm in for life. Cortez Kennedy, 48. years old very sad was really well liked you know how good you mean you have to be an unbelievable player to win defensive player of the year on a two and 14 team that might that might never happen again

when they did the all 90s team he was the starting defensive tackle and he was you know looking at the team it's him and john randall he's probably the the number one defensive tackle uh of the 90s it's sad and he's a young guy he's 48 years old the the cause of death is still undetermined, like no one knows. It caught a lot of people by surprise. He was actually loosely working for the Saints because he's close with Mickey Loomis, their general manager.

He goes to the Saints facility a lot and kind of consults with them. So it took a lot of people by surprise. I put him on the Andre Dawson All-Stars. Dawson won the NL MVP for a dreadful Cubs team in 87. When you're that good, when you can transcend being surrounded by suck. I like the Andre and Austin All-Stars.

This is nice. And so many people who talked about him, there's so many quotes out there. They're saying what a great football player he was, but he was an even better person and that he was so well-liked, loved by everybody. Absolutely. Moving on.

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Right. I'm adjacent to it. Yeah. All right. Before we move on to our OTA's saying, segment let's get somebody on the horn he is a man that he has meandies right he does in fact he was a man that never wore underwear famously went commando is this right oh yeah years and years for all we know decades i was on the road with him for quite a while and i wish you guys had told me

that like one layer of denim separated you from the man's nether region all right but it all changed once he tried on me andes and now he is on the line from his house and disarray somewhere in southern Los Angeles it is Mark Sessler What up, buddy? Hello, my friend.

Mark, we thank you so much for coming and calling in on your vacation. You know it means a lot to us, but you know it's important for you to finally, I don't know, bury the hatchet with Sydney in this her final show. Well, let me tell you

where the hatchet actually lies. Sydney is an ultra-talent who we were lucky to have grace us with her presence as a producer for two stints. They were pristine. The hatchet lies with an NFL media

managerial contingent that could not compel her to stay in time. That is where the hatchet lies. I could go on, but it would not be good for my career to go much further. Don't get fired. disgusting these individuals.

Yeah, well, I mean, well said. It is, well said, we wish it would have worked out differently. I think it should be said that Sydney has landed absolutely on her feet with a great new job back home in Utah. So everything is great on that end. But, Mark, do you have any, Sydney, why don't you, you and Mark, talk it out. This is your last chance to talk on the show. We're going to get out of the way here. Hey, Mark.

earlier in the season you know there were some carry underwood things that went down and I just would like to apologize for that right here publicly on the air I like that you limit that only to this season that's happened multiple times my concern for you Sydney and it really is just more of a a brotherly

big brotherly concern is your materialism you are I saw what happened to you in Los Angeles you came here and you saw listen, a little bit of recognition could propel you into a producer's chair. And then when suddenly the car breaks down, you have some mishap with some sort of material object. Listeners will swoop in and they'll pay for it. They'll just carry you around on a cloud. I mean, maybe we think a little bit about our concern with money and material objects. You're going back to a very pure place, Utah, just was there in Salt Lake City in the airport. I can smell the purity in Utah. Maybe

get back to that wholesome place if i were you just maybe shrug l.A. off of you the smell of it the stink of it and the managerial stink there is yeah there is something to it the kingpin type uh analogy here that or parallels where you were the randy quade uh in this scenario and you came to l.a and you're around all us dirt bags and now you got to get back in that movie it was omish country now and this you're going back to utah where you're you're away from all this filth and that's a good thing right soon yeah going back to my roots trying to remember you know who i am and where i came from yeah yeah and you know and working at at brigham young university i mean basically the purest place on earth what about disney yeah i mean oh it's a good point

sydney i did see like a massive like cropping up of disney images on sydney's instagram and other various social media accounts that part's going to get washed away but i do think you're going back to a really special place i you know listen i return to work with an axe in my hand an axe of fire and it will be aimed at management sydney i know you're not serious this ends when i say it ends the thing i like about this stocker analogy is maybe mickey will follow me home well you know i'll have disney home at home You're almost giving Mickey mixed signals. Sydney, knowing that she's leaving, she's not wasting any time.

She's on a flight Sunday morning. She's out of here. She has been to Disney World three times in the last six days. Is that right? I mean, Disneyland. She's getting as many trips in. I'm watching you, right? You turn around and Sully's dead with 14 stab wounds.

He just reenacted it for you. He's hanging upside down in the production chamber. fire. Mark, by the way, Mark, your thoughts on Ryan Grigson being hired by the Browns, real quick. Well, as long as he's stashed deep down the org chart, just like in our own company, I'd be fine with that. Very, you know, hard to make high-level decisions if you're deep down on the ladder. I don't, overall, it's just, it's a little disquieting. I didn't need that on my vacation and all right final thoughts mark

before you go sydney's last show today i wish sydney well sydney you are we've had i think at this point 16 to 17 producers we've had some good ones she is at the top of the list and no matter what the decision i'm very happy for you i think you're going to go on

and do great things i hope you come back and visit us and sydney we love you and uh there is no acts The axe is for someone else And they're going to steal it He's terrifying Thanks Mark All right Mark and enjoy the rest

What a farewell vacation That was like both extremely sweet And terrifying That's Mark That's Mark Yeah that's exactly right

That's why we love them All right So there you go Sydney How was that? That's great I feel at peace now That's been resolved We're in a good place

The Carrie Underwood thing Can you just refresh my memory on that? Yeah. I would love to. Yeah, I'm just trying to jog back and... I wish you would have hit him with one before you left. Remember. Oh, yeah.

That would not have been good for, you know, Scy and Mark Relations. Hit us at some point during the show, said. All right, let's move on. It is time to talk about Greg wrote a banger. He's not going to brag about it, but I'll brag for him. What matters and what? what doesn't during OTA season.

The first full week of OTAs are in the books. And we're going to go down a list here and really dig in with what's going on. And, you know, like I said, should people really be paying attention? Let's start with Brock Osweiler. All right. Brock, who, of course, now speaking of the Browns, is, John, I just wanted a basic baseline. Give me an idea. Do you know what's going on with Brock?

I do. This is something I know about it. it was a very NBA trade because they wanted to clear some space. So I know all about this. Barnwell predicted it. Yep. And it came to fruition. I think it's amazing.

I also think it's amazing that Brock Osweiler still believes in Brock Osweiler. Like, good for you. I guess somebody should. Some people believe there are people out there that believe that the Browns might even read Bill Barnwell's column. Yeah. And then followed that path. But anyway, Brock Osweiler is now in a situation where he's either the second or third string

quarterback of the Browns or won't make the Browns. and he met with the media, and a lot of things have changed since last year when he was the unquestioned number one guy that was supposed to be getting the Texans over the hump. So he had this slightly awkward exchange with a Cleveland-based sports reporter. Are you good enough to be a starting quarterback in this league? Absolutely. Absolutely. Why? I think the proof is in the film for the past two years.

But some people would say the proof is not in the film from last year. It's okay. You said that's okay? That was awkward. Yeah, he didn't as bad as I expected The reporter didn't need to come back with that last Yeah, the reporter's got to calm down a little He was trying to seek out a confrontation with the guy He got buried for that on Twitter

Last year would you believe in I will tell you what the film is I think what he's getting at And he got killed on Twitter for this And okay, rightfully so And Wes and I have had our battles About whether he led the Texans of the playoffs But he had some moments

I'll cite the game in Mexico City against the Raiders. I'm not saying he played great or anything. The laser game. So he's probably thinking about that or a couple other moments They were all in Denver. There were no moments in my mind really in Houston.

Okay. Maybe in his mind he said the film the last two years so he's definitely included that. That Denver film got John Elway to offer him $16 million a year and it got Houston to offer him $18 million a year. So people thought he was pretty good. Let me make it clear. I'm not saying the proof is in the film.

Right. Trying to think what he would. was thinking where he had a couple of moments here and there last year, but I mean, either way, he gets paid $16 million, so I guess he could say whatever you want. But that's also a, like, as reporters, right, I've been at a lot of these and you're talking to athletes and like, what do you expect him to say? Right. Hansis was saying about, like, he was trying to get, the reporter's trying to get a little

nugget, like a little conversation or a confrontation going. If you're Brock Oswald, what are you supposed to say? No, man, I suck. You are right. I can't believe they traded for me. That was a bad. He said that later, too. He's like, you wouldn't have any respect for me

if I said I want to come in here and be a backup. And I say, you know, this little exchange doesn't matter, but this whole Brock Osweiler thing does matter a little bit because listening to Hugh Jackson, like I just see that Brock Osweiler is going to be starting games for them. Maybe it's not week one, but I think he's going to get his turn. Oh, I can't believe it, Greg. Moving on.

Sheldon Richardson, the Jets defensive tackle, the embattled Jets defensive tackle. He's been on the trade block for about six months now, still a member of the Jets. He showed up for OTAs. And of course, if you're a Jets fan, you know very well that after the week three loss against the chiefs, that is the famous Ryan Fitzpatrick's sixth interception game, there was a big confrontation between Richardson and Brandon Marshall in the locker room after the last. the game. It got so heated that Todd Bowles had to come into the locker room and shut it down from becoming a free-for-all full fist-a-cuff situation is how it's been reported. And that was, and again,

this is the story of the 2016 Jets, that broke the team. The locker room was done after that and only got worse. And Sheldon Richardson spoke with reporters for the first time. And this is what he had to say. He clearly wasn't ready to completely move on from how he was port. trade last year. Locked rooms a whole lot easier to get along with now, so I'm pretty. You see it? Why's that?

You see it? You're all so thirsty. You put the ball on the tea, Sheldon. Oh, man, y'all was so thirsty. I just said you've got 15 reasons why it ain't why it's better. Well, it's done. All right. A couple things.

Random Marshall was number 15, so there you go. I don't know who the woman was in the background that felt the need to compliment Shelman? Well done. Well done. It's like unnecessary. But it was a nice little line. I think there were guys also complimenting him too. You know, you don't have to turn this into a woman's rights issue. I'm talking about that particular woman a little over the top. A little OTT. I'm going to help you out here. Yeah, go ahead. Put back away from this part of it. Yeah. Did you do the Jets lead the league in locker room? That's two years in a row, right? Didn't. Gino Smith.

Gina Smith got cracked. Yep. I love that about the Jets. It's consistently the most interesting thing about them. Their dysfunction makes them interesting. I love locker. I mean, frankly, this happens with the Eagles. It happens with everybody.

The only thing is how often do you hear about it? I mean, it's not unusual to have a locker room fight. It's more unusual for it to get out and for us to hear about it. But when it does, wound up for us. With the Eagles, it's usually two beat reporters. That also happens. Yeah, that's one of my favorite subpoly. I loved him saying Yaso.

because he's that's what this whole article or idea was sort of like everyone is so thirsty for information in May because people are such big football fans even though there's not real news to talk about now that they're all back on the field we just have to like make up a lot that's fun we're thirsty that's absolutely there's a difference between there's a difference between the reporter well done in Cleveland well done and the reporter and the reporter at and in Jersey I thought but it is the same type of thing that people are just want new info we want to spin forward it could have been a man like if you think about it it is wild like in the people say like

I think it's a whole everybody in there right people are saying like journalism in trouble like you know we're all going to lose our jobs meanwhile there's 35 people in the Jets locker room like surrounding their defensive tackle on May

you know 20th because guys are out practicing in shorts they're not even playing football they're just kind of like jogging around and we got 40 but doesn't matter it's brutal that's brutal being in the reporter's role though at this time of year and you're in there and you're searching for something to talk about and write about and report on it's awful it's like in the comment section you'll see somebody say oh it must have been a slow news day like too yeah yes it was it literally was they're in shorts uh i would say it does matter sheldon's got a little fire in his belly and maybe it's chip on the shoulder He's playing for a contract.

He sure is. Moving on, a couple notable players back on the field. Let's start with Rob Grunkowski, Grunk, who is coming off his 7,000th surgery. This latest one was on his back. Of course, it wiped out the back half of his 2016 season. And how much should we get it? What kind of, I'm looking up right now, actually.

I'm curious how much he's actually done. He's out there. He's been cleared. He was on the field to practice. So that's a really good sign. And what I really, I honestly feel this way, and my Patriot hatred runs deep, but Gronk I've always liked. And Gronk, I feel like this is a pivotal year for him. I feel like if he doesn't stay healthy again, and the Patriots are, as we know, pretty hardcore when it comes to business decisions.

They might say, you make a lot of money. They just restructured that deal. We don't know if we can deal with another of you being hurt. He's been hurt a lot. The foretelling of the end of Gronk is in your predictions, like your lineage of amazing predictions, like right next to the Tom Brady prediction. This is great.

I love that you're calling your shot on this. I'm not. I don't want it to happen because I like Gronk and I want him to be on the radar, but how much does his body have left when it seems to be breaking down every year now? I think the Patriots are worried about it. I think you're thinking the same way. He's not a normal, he's not a regular, what is he, 29 by now? I think he's younger than that.

He's 28. Yeah, he just turned 28. Just turned 28. Not a normal 28-year-old in terms of you would not expect his career to last another five years. I think that's fair. His body right now seems good enough to celebrate a touchdown with a reverse chess bump. And ESPN is reporting. So I think that's solid.

What's a reverse chest bump? I don't even know that means. That would be a back bump, wouldn't it? Yeah, right? Wouldn't the reverse of that be? I think it matters, though. I say this matter. This is kind of the only thing, almost the only thing that does matter.

OTAs is you get proof of guys whether they're healthy or not. He has had very few off seasons where he's been on the field. So J.J. Watt is back doing everything. Gronk is back on the field doing everything. Keenan Allen's back on the field doing everything. That's like proof because the coaches don't tell you anything. They're never straight. So you only know it if they're out doing it.

And by the way, you're throwing me some like sexism shade, Colleen. Did you see? Yeah, that's, did you really, you're really upset by them? No, I'm just saying, I'm transitioning to. It's a good transition Yeah to Rob Gronkowski's latest video Yeah he was in a new video With a Vegas DJ

Who is it, Tiesto? No I would have put him quite at that level In terms of popularity But he is he does this thing on the strip Is this the song or is this This would be what the song might sound like If we had even The slightest amount of wiggle room

For playing music that has copyrighted on the show even though we absolutely could we have to play this let's turn this up a little bit is Gronk like in a tank top with glow sticks and champagne it would be a mesh tank top

I think yeah the video Colleen since you ask it is about a dream he's having he's trying to talk to a woman the artist is three loud he's trying to speak to a woman at a bar in Vegas but his mind keeps on drifting

and the things that a drift drifts to is doing a car wash with a bunch of bikini-clad women, being the centerpiece of a sushi dish. Wait, they're washing him and not the car. It's weird. Soaping him up. This looks like a hot boys video from when I was in high school. Definitely has sort of a callback, either 80s or early. It looks like every hearty's commercial ever.

Yeah, and then it ends with a pillow fight in a bouncy house with women in lingerie. So, yeah, let's go after Gronk. Leave me out of this. Wow. That's what I'm saying. Grunk gets a lot of passes for being Gronk. On the other hand, like, if he was going to do something smarter and more sophisticated and clever, that would be entirely off brand. Yeah.

Like, if he wasn't just giggling at certain numbers. He has sushi all over him right now. Yeah, it's very strange. That's like a Sex in the City episode, Rip-off. What do you think his business manager? Like if you come to Grunk with an idea And yeah, Mojo Raleigh, that wrestler that he's best friends with shows up in everything They're pouring soy sauce on...

It's very strange. Do you think his business manager has ever said no to anything? Does he have a business manager? Well, he obviously is coming up with this. Moving on. Moving on. Teddy Bridgewater. I don't know if I can.

Yeah, exactly. Teddy Bridgewater, trying to make it back from that devastating knee injury suffered last August. The Vikings posted a video on Tuesday. afternoon, a 40-second clip that showed Bridgewater making progress. It was all in slow motion, but taking various drops, firing footballs during OTAs. He was wearing a large brace and sleeve on a surgically repaired knee. This one, Greg, this one matters, right? Because there was talk, we still don't know how ready is everybody's wearing shorts. But just the fact that he's on the field at all tells us that he's made progress

from August until now. Yeah, it's a huge surprise. It's strange how it came out that they released like a hype video essentially with like inspirational music but they're you know, it happened on the day that. No, no, no. Different? No sushi in that one. It's a little different than

Gronks. Like they were they wanted to make it clear the next day that he's not practicing. Like that was sort of part of his rehab. He's taking some reps as part of his rehab. But he's not really out there full he just got cleared to move laterally but it sure sounds it sure looks like he's going to be playing football and people were talking about that it could be a career ender yeah again or this year

you think when you say who knows there not even why even guess yeah there was a real there was a real thought out there that he was done done done yeah it was that serious of an injury and it could still be the case but we're seeing signs of progress the one thing it works in his favor when you see these type of catastrophic injuries a lot of times it is the skill player running back we saw that with Marcus Lattimore, Willis McGahue actually came back from it, but usually it's in a position where it's vital to have cutting ability and speed and you never get all that back. Bridgewater is probably never going to be the same athlete as he was before,

who knows, but probably not. But as a quarterback position, you might be able to survive this. Yeah. Dante Culpepper actually had a similar injury. He did make it back. It was never close to the same player. No, I just saw your reaction when he mentioned Dante Culpeper. No, I was just thinking what Dan said that he was not the same player.

Riddle was a great scrambler. I mean, the fact that he's on the field now, I would, you would think would give some hope that, who knows, maybe he would be playing at some point again this year. Yeah, I think a lot of the worry, too, is about possible nerve damage with the ACL like Jalen Smith had, but it doesn't look like that's going to be an issue. G.C. G.C. G.C.

Don't, no, don't give into this. G.C. is not a thing. It's totally a thing. I don't know, have we talked about on the podcast? John Gonzalez. You did. I'm going to try to give a backstory, but I've been shamed for trying to give backstories in general, so I decided not to. Good call, G.C.

That's a thing. Tell the world. Gonzo, put it on a t-shirt and let's move some units. It is on a t-shirt. You guys came for the 40th birthday. Yeah. You saw a number of things, not the least of which was one of my friends made a t-shirt. His buddy Staley did it.

And he gave one to me, too. I'm like, it's not a thing if it's on a t-shirt. Staley. Hey, Staley, nice tea. That's a direct quote. Eric Decker, speaking of surprises, Eric Decker participated in some Jets team drills, wearing a non-contact jersey but was moving well,

made a diving catch at one point. Everybody's excited. Eric Decker stuck on a bad Jets team and a subject of potential trade rumors as well kind of makes sense for him to get moved. But if he's not going to be moved, him being on the field in May, you know, it tells us that he'll probably be ready

for the start of the season, which was also not necessarily assumed when he first went down with a double shoulder hip surgery last season. That matters. Eastby in New York was saying they could miss all of training camp as recently as two months ago. He's definitely beaten that. I definitely think Eric Decker, if he's healthy

and it looks like he's going in the right direction, could help a contender in a big way. We don't see wide receiver trades in the middle of a season a lot, but maybe you can move him to and get a team that really looking to get over the hump on offense maybe get a second or third round pick yeah i don't know how much it matters in terms of like the jets since they're rebuilding right now but because there's so many young guys especially in that wide receiver group i mean you look at them there's so many rookies and second year guys quincy and nunwa Robbie anderson It's kind of a good, it's not a bad, it's not a bad group. They have a lot of bad positions. I was going to, I was just going to mention this. You were all about their wide receiver group last year and now still.

That's right. I was, I was really big on Quincy and Noonwa. Yeah. By the way, bad job. He's good. By your Eagles. The Noonwa, a temple guy, correct? Yeah.

Undrafted. He's in your backyard. I talked to DJ about this movie. Anderson's a temple guy. Oh, you know what? I'm thinking of Anderson. Wait, where did Quincy and Nunewa go? I'm not sure.

He was actually drafted, but Robbie Anderson, who's another Jet Prospect, I really like, a Temple guy undrafted, and I remember talking to sticks before the season started, and he was like, the Eagles are having major wide receiver issues. This guy's a little playmaker, and they just let him go. They're just waiting on Nelson Aguilor to remember that he has to catch the ball, and then they're going to be fine. It's going to be great. Moving on, Roberto Aguio, you know I'm excited about this Bucks Kickers situation. You talk about this all the time. I can't freaking wait. And John's clapping his hands

You're pumped up too This is wonderful I love this guy Roberto Aguio The second round pick Kicker that was the second round pick of the bucks last year But it rips it

I'm tired of the kicker talk too Oh wow He's got to shut you down Oh no At least sing it though Me? Yeah Oh yeah that's a good boy

All right hit it again You can hit me on it again I don't care I won't freak that's it you're fired immediately after the show Roberto Oguayo one for four kicking on narrow uprights on Tuesday and Nick Falk who is the veteran brought in with a $700,000 guarantee coming his way bang four for four on field goals

so right away it's over I mean I'm not going to say this matters, but it certainly doesn't not matter. Oh, let me go ahead. Be the one to answer that. Oh, it matters. It does not matter. This is the most matter of all the matters that we've had in this question. It's a kicker conversation about this poor guy who was drafted way too high and stumbled through various concerns last year. Now can't even make it

without any pressure on it. So he missed three kicks and that's the end. He missed three kicks through an upright that was eight feet wide. As drama in the NFL goes, it's quarterback competition and kicker competition. It's tough. These are on the narrow goalpost, too. Like there's articles on Deadspin. You wrote an article.

The Tampa Bay Times is like it starts off his season on the wrong foot. Like what happened on the wrong foot? Like what happened on Wednesday and Thursday? Maybe he made some kicks then. It doesn't matter. This is the problem with the OTAs. It does speak to a problem. It does speak to an issue, but I think it does matter.

It's not the end for Robbie, but it does matter for his confidence, I think. because then this is reported. Well, it's not getting better. Here's a dispatch from Joe Bucksfan.com. They do a nice job covering the box. I like Joe Bucksman. Here is. Talk to Joe Bucks fan many times.

All right. Here we go. You ready? Here's the exact dispatch from Joe Bucksfan.com. The first clanked the right field goal post from 30 yards. After his third effort, practice went silent. You could hear a pin drop. 90 players plus coaches, many just BSing.

and drinking water during the kicking period we're quiet. This is a thing. This is a real thing going on with this team. This poor kid is two months away from hurling whiskey bottles at the wall. It is coming up fast on him. And I actually have an exclusive.

This is. This is an ATN Media Insider exclusive. You didn't think I had it for this. AT&A. ATN. Indiana inside inside a inside deck. Hands are hand for the truth. Go to the suits.

Good in the morning. We're going to take you inside Robbie O'Guoyo's head during those four field goal kicks. Ready? I suck. I suck. I suck. I suck. I suck.

That's it. That's not good in there. It's not good in there. You don't want to be in that guy's head. It's a tough situation in there. What are you looking for? You were looking for him? I was wondering what it was like when he did make that one.

Dan, how did you get access to that? It's pretty good. I never reveal my sources. I will tell you it was a triple source. source situation. Wow. That's impressive. Moving on.

Aaron Donald, not at OTAs for the Rams. And please, Greg, shoot this one down. Yeah, this is, this was on my list of things we don't need to cover over the next three months so we can be short. Like, spoiler alert, he's going to sign the contract. We don't need daily updates. It doesn't really matter that one of the best players in league isn't practicing in shorts and voluntary work.

In the end, he's going to sign the contract and we'll all move on. He's really good. The Rams know he's good. The Rams know he wants a new job. deal and he deserves the raise. So they got to do it to get him back on the field. Navarro Bowman expects to start. And why is this notable, Greg?

You wrote about this. Why is Bowman saying that he expects to start? Why is that something that we should care about? Why does it matter? Well, I thought it mattered that Kyle Shanahan came out and he made it clear Navarro Bowman, who's pretty much the biggest best leader on that team, the best player on that team for many years doesn't even have a starting job guaranteed. He said one of their good players is not going to be playing a full compliment of snaps.

He was talking about him, the first round pick, Rubin Foster, Malcolm Smith, who they gave a lot of money into and free agency. And it's just kind of that new coach move that, like, if you weren't here before I got here, watch out. Don't they all have to do that? You're on the radar. Watch it, Gonzo. You're pointing at me.

I was not here. He's on the sonar? Gonso's not on the sonar. Good. That would be weird. You know, he's nice enough to come in here We're not paying him anything Bowman's going to be on the field

You're not paying me He's doing a great job Now you tell me And finally OTAs What matters, what doesn't CJ Spiller says It's quote

Been a while Since I felt this good No This is all No Tropolet Troopalert CJ

Got to close with Tropalert Love Troop alert I've been burned so many times by C.J. Spiller in the past, too. It's funny, the C.J. Spiller trope is a specific trope alert. Like, C.J. Spiller is his own trope. Article 14B. It's a trope within a trope.

Article 14B of the trope commandments is a C.J. Spiller comment around this time of year. It always happens. And people are buying this one, too. No, they're not. I'm reading some of the articles, Kansas City, and road, like, people are, they're like, oh, this time. But did you get in on the ground? floor for the C.J. Spiller fantasy season of 2012 because I did and I enjoyed myself, but he's never approached. That was the only time. That was the only time that he did anything

that you expected or hoped C.J. Spiller would deal. All right. There you go. OTAs. We told you what mattered, what didn't. We're here to help the audience. That's what we do. Gantza's earning his money. This is a big show here. Finally, yeah. Double my salary. And now it's time. And now it's time to say goodbye. And, uh, I hope you have a lot of boys to men queued up. Well, we do have something like that.

We do have something queued up. If you could, Sydney, this is your last day. I just want to end it. A little tune. It's been seven hours

in 15 days. It's pretty good. Since you took your love away. Are you doing a duet right now? Shut up. I go out. I go out. night and sleep

all day I have the same line again I think here since you took your love away I've gone that you've been gone I can do

whatever I want I can see whoever I choose I don't swing either yeah I like it I like it

I'm I can eat my dinner in a fancy restaurant But nothing I said nothing can take away these blues Yeah Nothing compares Nothing compares To you

all worth it. There you go, sit. Yeah, that was for you. We could keep that playing underneath. It's time to say goodbye. We got through that, though. I think pretty good. Well, sometimes you just think, you know,

were all the weeks and months of practice and rehearsals worth it? And then it all comes together. It was like, Easter Sunday. It was like, wait, you're going to spend time with the family. He's like, no, Colleen and I have to rehearse. Like, I don't even like to sing happy birthday. And you make me sing on the pod almost.

every week. Yeah, that's true. Sid, we're so sad to see you go, but very excited for everything that comes next. You are a four-person Mount Rushmore, and you will be missed. You will. You really are the best producer that we've had. We'll miss you. We'll keep in touch with you, of course.

But I'm glad we have this time, and I'm glad you're going on to better things. We love you, Sid, and anytime you ever want to go to Disney, I'm here for you. That's the best offer I've ever heard. Yeah. I will be lost with that. You'll never get away from me, Sid. Oh, my God. Ever.

It's just getting emotional. And then... Cini, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks guys. Yeah, I don't want to say too much because I'm going to get choked up. It's fine. I'm going to miss you guys. You did it. You made me cry.

There it is. A little ding would be good. Miss you too. Yeah. It's the end of an era. And Derek R, by the way, is an excellent quarterback. Yeah, the Raiders are going to go far this year. They should absolutely mention that.

They are a great team. All right, Sid, we love you. We really do. And we're very happy for you. And next time I see you, I expect you to be married to a blonde-haired man and have two kids. She's going to come back as our boss. Yeah, we'll come back with the family. You could stay with my family in Culver City and then go to Disneyland all weekend.

Perfect. All right. Love that plan. All right. That's it. That's the end of the NFL podcast. In the end of an era. Let's face it.

We will move forward, but we will not forget our great producer. That's it for the Thursday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We'll be back on Tuesday. So enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, everybody here in the States and overseas. Just enjoy your weekend. Have a good time. Treat yourself. Go to the beach in Ireland.

Yeah. Like one of our listeners. I love it. This is Dan Hanzas signing. off for gonso thanks buddy this was great yeah uh connie fox the old boss and there she is one last time nothing compares to you do money behind the glass see you girl you This is an I-heart podcast.