NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Over/Under Rookie Class 2021

Episode Date: May 10, 2021

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Matt Money Smith bring you all of the latest news in the NFL including Eric Fisher joining the Colts (8:06), a potential looming QB controversy with the Vikings (13:30) and the Broncos placing Ja'wuan James on the non-football injury list (17:05). Tim Tebow is back in the league (28:06) and the NFL schedule will be released Wednesday (32:22). The heroes throw out some over/unders for the new rookie class to close the show (43:30).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Tweets too much about golf. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanzas. I come to you from a virtual room, virtual wool room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and sitting in on the show today. He is the star of the acclaimed instant hit MicroSeg, Money on Money, Matt Money Smith.

How's everybody doing? Doing well. Greg, Greg scrunched his face when I read the script tweets too much about golf and I feel like I'm responsible like for the content, which I'm not. I didn't quite get it. I didn't quite get it because, you know, none of us tweet about golf. We're too smart for that. Maybe that's the irony packed inside the. what is way what was that little dig there Greg you're too smart to tweet about golf yeah it's a boring spectator sport and tweeting about it would be even more boring i think we all share that i thought

maybe it was a commentary on our colleague adam rank who tweets a lot about golf these days uh or at least his instagram is is there's a lot of golf and and i as a golfer used to be an avid golfer um would politely disagree with Greg. I do find it to be an exciting spectator sport, but I know I'm in a gross minority. I used to know, it's popular. It's popular. I used to play. I worked at

multiple golf courses as a child and I loved to play and nothing like, you know, hitting, play nine holes after you finish your shift, but it's a tough, it's a tough watch. I like you bring that up a lot. You have to make choices. Greg, like you are allowed to bag on golf because

when you were 14, you were a caddy one. So you use that a lot as your reasoning. But I played nonstop. Played nonstop until I was like 21 or so. But yeah, at a certain point, you got to decide. What were your jobs, Greg? You said jobs. So what were the different jobs at the golf course you had?

Well, you have to run the front desk, you know, when people come in. And then you have to wash bags, you know, when people return with the bags. You have to return the golf carts. One kid once drove a golf cart into the pool there. He got fired for that. And then sometimes if it's raining, you have to sit at the bottom of the hill and drive guys up the hill

because they don't want to walk in the rain up the hill. So this is like a fancy country club. Right. And Greg, so you retired essentially at 21. Did you mature out of the sport? I mean, people spend their lives trying to master. I moved to New York. If you're living New York and you want to play golf, it's got to be like a huge priority in your life.

You got to love it so much. It just knocked it out of me. And now you have children. Like, are you really going to say, like, I'll see you in seven hours? It's a tough ass. That's a tough one. That's a tough one with golf. I was explaining that too.

And plenty of dads do, but. Yes, they do. Many things. And it's not even seven. It's 10. Right. I got to get up early. I got to stretch.

Then I got to play 18 holes. And then afterwards, we're playing some cards. We're playing dice or whatever. So I'll see at about 9 p.m. And I'll be lit to the nines by the time I get home. But it's 2021. So you must be with your children 24-7 every single day of the year. Bad guy.

Mark's in good mood. I know he was up at two in the morning today. Mark, again, I see, I wake up this morning. I woke up pretty early. It's like, oh, man, early start today, 6.30. I can't go back to bed. I jump on Twitter, see what's going on. And I see you sending positive Nate Tice tweets at 5 a.m.

And then I text that to the group and say, wow, 5.07 a.m. Mark sent this. And Mark, you replied that you've been up since two. This is not good, my friend. And we love you very much. And this is almost, we're getting to a point where we need to have some type of intervention to get you on a sleep cycle that carries you into your old age. That's what we need.

I don't know, but intervention would suggest that I'm like doing it on purpose. But it's, but, you know, and Matt Money Smith was nice enough to send some suggestions along by text, which I'm following up on. But I mean, I've been dealing with this for like 15 years. So it is what it is. This is the tough love. This is coming at you on a broadcast and saying,

you must clean this up because we're worried that it's going to come back and haunt you in a big. of all spots, that's all. Well, I'm certain it will, but... I believe this is the circadian rhythm podcast of record. Right. Around the NFL podcast. All right. So, today's show. I hope everybody had a nice

Mother's Day weekend. I hope everybody took care of their mom. And the wives, because some people say, well, my wife, she's not my mother, so I don't really have to plug in on the wife. Just the mother. No, no, no. You got to do both. Good luck with that method.

Yeah. You try to go one or the other. That That logic is not going to carry over. So I think, I hope everyone that's listening to the show made the right decisions this weekend. Coming up on today's show with the draft now a little bit in the rearview mirror, it's time to try to enter reality into the conversation of all these rookies. Because if you listen to the football cognizanti, you know how I feel about that, Dan. You know how I feel about that. They will tell you.

You know how I feel about it. The G is silent in Italian. You know how I feel about it. It's Kanyezanti. Let me hear it. Let me hear it, money. It's cognosanti. The G is silent, please.

Don't buy it. I feel like pronouncing it correctly would ruin the bit, though. That's the whole thing. That was a spicy accent. By the way, is that Dan's bit? Is it like, is there an over under? Is there like an around the NFL Reddit that sets the over under on how many mispronciations Dan will have in a given pod?

And then they all bet. And then at the end of it, they settle up. Because that's kind of what I do. try to figure out. I'm like, I know he's intentionally mispronouncing some of these things. These are, I just don't know how many. Everything I'm saying is correct, first of all, including Cagnosanti. Okay? So it's your opinion. Doesn't mean it's the correct one money. That's all. Okay. I guess that's one way to put it. I don't really, I don't really ever. I mean, I believe it's the proper Italian pronunciation, but hey, it's all right.

Proper Italian pronunciation. What is your Italian heritage? How do you know? I don't study out in Ference for two months in 1993. Hello. That was a hammer being dropped. It was. I stand down. I'll never be invited back again. Anyway, over, under is for rookies.

Anyway, over unders for rookies. Because, yes, as I said, a cognizante. They say that everyone had a perfect draft except for the Raiders. okay but the reality is all these big time rookies that came to the league some are going to have a big impact in year one some are going to disappoint and uh so we'll throw out some names um notable names and uh kind of try to figure out where they might come in in their first season of pro ball before we do that though let us hit the news you're going to hire my friend No, that was not Delta Burke from designing women.

That was Peyton Manning, imploring a team to hire out of gays. Delta Burke. I found her very annoying. Even as a child, I could tell that she was not my cup of tea. Yeah, well, wherever you are, Delta. Hope everything's going well. All right, let's get into it. I think she's passed, hasn't she?

Delta? Oh, no, we're playing this game. Hang on. Well, total respect to her. I just found her to be a little bit too much. Still with us, 64 years old. Sorry, Delta. Didn't mean it.

And married to Major Payne. Was that the name of the sitcom? Major Dad? Gerald McRaney. All right. All right, let's get to it. Let's focus up here. Important.

Eric Fisher, former Chiefs tackle, former number one overall pick. He's got a new team. It's the Colts who signed Fisher to a one-year, $9.4 million contract. He started 113 of 117 games with Kansas City after coming into the league number one overall. Maybe money has not lived up to the standing of where his draft status was, but he became a solid starter for the Chiefs.

Last year, injuries played a major factor. And now the Colts get a much needed option there on their line in front of Carson once. Yeah, you know, we saw him twice a year. we the Chargers saw him twice a year at those games that I called and I always just thought that he was pretty average but I think it just goes to show you that average can go a long way in the NFL you know now my understanding is he's probably not going to be ready till October so the Colts will probably need some sort of answer between now and then or I should say from the start of the season until then but look if you have cap space and you're willing to spend the money I think you're going to see you know a deal that probably Charles Lennel is going to get a deal like that. I mean, these are good left tackles, right? You know, that's, and that is hard to find. Don't, don't the chargers know it, what I've been looking at at left tackle for four years. So if you can get Carson Wentz a league average or close to a league

average left tackle, uh, and it's only going to cost you a one year deal, I would say huge win for Chris Ballard and the Colts. Right. And he, he's been better than league average for much of his career, including recent. He seemed to get better. But he's coming off a tour and Achilles. might not be ready till October, and then it's Eric Fisher coming off of Torn Achilles. It's my number one concern with this Colts team, and with Carson Wentz in general, as he just holds the ball forever.

Doesn't make a decision. That's why Frank Reich's, you know, there to get him making faster decisions. But for the first month or two, we've talked about how that's a bad-looking division. And Eric Fisher, in theory, helps you for the playoffs, but they might be struggling for a while.

I mean, that was if you look at teams that didn't do what you thought they would do in the draft. Like the cult's not targeting a young tackle was one of the kind of burning voids still sitting out there. But I do find it funny that we're also, the offseason goes through these waves where we're now in a wave where we're not allowed to critique Carson Wentz. I find that it seems after last year, it's like, you know what? Actually, Carson Wentz is like, are we kind of being a little too tough on him? Like, aging straw man. Yeah, who said that other than Dan? Dan's the only one. Well, no, maybe it is. It's just come up on our show where I feel like

It's not really, I'm not really pointing the finger at one person. It's more just like the off season does this all the time where it's like, we're not excited about the Carson Wentz signing. Now it's like, I don't know, he was really good in 2017. I mean, I was good in 2017. So I just, I, you know, a lot has changed. So we'll see. Carson Wentz, by the way, was good in 2019.

Mark saying that he was all right. Left by the way. And I think it's, I think, I think a group think is a very dangerous thing, especially what we do for a living. If everyone just says, oh, Carson Wendt stinks now, I believe it's important to at least leave the option open that this fresh start with a coach that knows how to get the most out of them for a 28-year-old quarterback, it could actually go well.

I don't think that's absurd to say that there are multiple ways this Wince's situation. I just think the group think is now going to go in that direction. That's what I'm saying. It's not like, you know, we'll see. We'll see. These things get on my radar because it happens every April through July. I feel like the football world doesn't, not Wentz fans and you hear a lot of things about maybe he's not the best guy in the locker

room. There is plenty of reason for suspicion that this isn't going to work out. I certainly grant you that. I'm with you. And there's a decent chance, by the way, like Eric Fisher is much better than half of these rookie tackles that people signed and are all excited about. Like the bears are putting Taven Jenkins into their left tackle spot and everyone's like, all right, that's solved and we cut Charles Leno. It's like, well, what are the chances he's better than Charles Leno this year? It's like 50-50. Like maybe. I would say maybe like 60, 40, 70, 30 that he's not. I thought Lennon was a pretty good tackle.

I mean, I'm again, he's in Washington today visiting. Yeah, I think, and obviously, look, it's all relative, right? I mean, I spent the last year watching the worst offensive line in the league. And it all comes back to the quarterback, right? You know, Justin Herbert threw 4,300 yards and 31 touchdowns behind the worst offensive line in the league. He was the most pressured quarterback in the league, yet he was able to put up better numbers than most quarterbacks. So, I mean, was that Tampa offensive line that good, like exceptional before Tom Brady

showed up? You know what I mean? It's so much of it is dependent upon the quarterback. So I think for everybody that's saying, oh, once you fix the offensive line, you're, hey, struggles are over, dude. No, that's not the case. I mean, you've still got to have a quarterback that can pull that trigger and run that offense, and that's going to go a long way and determine whether or not your own line is good

or not. Speaking of QB drama, the Vikings, we know they took Kellynmond, Texas. A&M quarterback with a 66th overall pick, you know, when you take a mid-round quarterback, it doesn't scream QB controversy on the way with Kirk Cousins and Trench there. However, ESPN's Courtney Cronin reported that the Vikings were ready to pull the trigger on Justin Fields had he fallen to the 14th pick in the 2021 draft. He did not fall because we know the Bears traded up three picks ahead of them to take Fields, and then the Vikings pivoted, traded out of 14 with the Jets to collect some mid-round picks themselves.

So if this reporting is accurate, Greg, this is spicy because now it's becoming clear now that the Vikings have one eye on 2021 with Kirk Cousins and very clearly now an eye on the future with a quarter acquisition that might not include cousins at all. Yeah, and yet they guaranteed a money next year, which makes it complicated. I love stuff like this, just the door's not taken. They always bring up the Saints how they were going to take Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs didn't trade up in front of them. That's been pretty confirmed. And then in this draft, in the NFC North alone, the Lions passed on fields. The Vikings were set to take fields, but they weren't going to trade up for them.

And the bears are the one that gets it. So like, how does that change this division? That and the fact that it's been reported, and it's hard to confirm these things, that the Jets traded up in front of the Patriots because they were. pretty confident the Patriots were going to take Elijah Vera Tucker, which is just, it's just crazy to think that the Patriots like quarterback of the future would not been there because they preferred to take a guard possible tackle in Vera Tucker. And those are division rivals.

So like how does the Mack Jones Jets Patriots thing work out? And how does this Justin Fields thing work out in Minnesota? Yeah, I love it. Well, and where Aaron Rogers quickly shifts into drama magnet mode, you don't hear a word from Kirk Cousins because he'll happily be a good little boy through next season, do whatever they ask, and make a huge amount of guaranteed money, not just this year, but next year. I mean, I think in terms of Mond and whether or not he's a viable, you know, replacement for the future, who knows? I mean, there's not a lot of third round starters in the league,

right? We kind of know because their tails are sung so often when it does happen. So we know, you know, the rarity of which that to be the case. But I also know, you know, like, getting a getting a backup quarterback, a viable backup quarterback in one of the middle or, you know, I should say one of the middle rounds. You almost never get them in the late rounds. That's important for teams. The last thing they want to do is sacrifice cash or salary cap capital on a backup veteran if they don't have to. If they, you know, like I know, again, I hate doing it, but I just get to see it so much. But like in the case of Easton Stick, I think they would have been fine had Chase Daniel not just been so affordable. They were like,

you know, this is a good guy for the room. But we feel like Easton Stick can come in and win a half or maybe win a game and a half. And at 360 grand instead of, you know, seven million bucks, that's a big win for a lot of franchises. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's kind of more the thinking of the Vikings as opposed to. We need to bring someone to replace, you know, Kirk Cousins. The most important person in your organization is your quarterback.

And the second most important person in your organization is your Backup quarterback. And the third most of those cowboy seasons went totally south. Mark, will you let Greg finish his castor Lee bit? We all enjoy it. All right. All right. Mark,

here's what you got to do here. All right now, Greg is doing his impression of me. Okay, so when that happens, what I need you to do now is you be quiet, okay? And that's first of all. And then after that, what you're going to do is Greg's going to do his impression.

And then Dan is going to come in and he's going to say, hey, Greg is doing an impression of me. And then when he's done it out, then you can go. I'll be back in about 11 minutes. Sorry, Mark. You had what we were saying there. No, no, I just, I mean, I remember Wes and I, like, joining at the hit, joining at the hip, killing the Cowboys for never having a backup in place that really could win games behind Tony Romo. And they were good teams that went totally south.

So, you know, it's, it can't be just about the low amount of earnings that they're making. And you have to have someone right now. The Cowboys don't have it right now. After what they just went through, they have Jeff Driscoll visiting on Monday. And he would be easily their best backup, which is terrible. In other news, the Broncos, they are obviously in the news right now connected to Aaron Rogers with all the Rogers drama, James Palmer, NFL Network Zone, reported today. The Broncos have had plenty of internal discussions about the possibility of making that happen. But for the here and now, it's Drew Locke and Greg's boy, Teddy Bridgewater, and they need an offensive line in front of whoever the quarterback is.

They won't have Joanne James, it looks like, whose Star Cross career took another bad turn last Tuesday. team sources confirmed that James suffered a torn Achilles tendon and a workout away from the Broncos facility. There's some talk whether season ending or not. We're not clear, but either way, it's a very serious injury. He opted out of last season. He was injured before that. Since signing a four-year, $51 million deal in March of 2019,

he's played 63 snaps. Yikes. Yeah, I guess I'll start. It's probably the worst free agent contract we've seen. in years, right? I mean, 63 snaps, 50 million, 20-something guaranteed. It'll be interesting how the Broncos opt to play this. And I think so much of this, I think fans tend to focus on the player or they'll focus on the team and rarely do they focus on the agent. And to me, this is a great disservice done to the player by the player's agent. I don't, I'm not privy to those conversations.

but I do think in the case of some of these players, guys opted out, you know, maybe in some cases for health concerns, but I think in other cases for registering a year on that deal in which there were going to be four games played or six games played. And that could be someone that has dissuaded, hey, look, we feel like you're going to get the whole season in in 2020. That's going to roll over. So let's sit this one out. And then next year, you can make your $12 million bucks because we're probably going to get

all 16, now 17 in. If that was the case, my goodness, you know, what a bad situation Joanne James has been put into. And I guess my understanding is he was working out at the facility. That's why I think it's so interesting with how the Broncos are going to treat this, right? You know, it's one thing if he's like, oh, no, I'm one of these veterans. I'm going to heed the call of Tom Brady and stay away and stand united, not come in at all. Then you get hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos go, we're done. You're not getting a cent. We don't know any of that money. You were hurt off premises. because he has been coming in occasionally,

if they will honor that contract. I think it's going to be spicy. I mean, they'll face like a legal battle. Yeah, there's a lot of talk that Broncos may not give him his money. We'll see. I sort of don't want to like kill him before they go ahead and do that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just do give it to him. And this Tom Brady like trying to keep everyone out of the offseason workouts, we'll see how that works. Like it didn't work at all for the first three rookie mini camps. None of them listened. All the rookies showed up for the first three or four teams. So at least the rookies are not listening to this veteran idea to not show up at the facility. Right.

Or players that, you know, need to impress a coaching staff versus sight unseen sitting home or operating elsewhere. I mean, one little note to Aaron Rogers. I mean, this was PFF's 25th ranked offensive line a year ago. And, you know, Juan James wasn't there, but they don't project to look a whole lot better this season. They're talking to Dennis Kelly, apparently, to maybe come in and, Phil, you know, help out at tackle. And what if I took the Joanne James approach to this podcast, opted out of an entire season last year, leaving you guys to do all the work?

And then, you know, got sort of a, maybe a cough or cold and said, I'm not coming back this year. And then everyone's like, will NFL.com pay mark his, you know, meager salary or not, high drama, not posted on the website. I think I know what the NFL would do. I think that would make football morning in America. Speaking of a FNI. Actually, you know what?

Can I jump back into that real quick? Yeah. Something that Greg said, I think is important. You know, and look, we're all subjected to hero worship at times and we have to abide by it because of what these players mean to the league. But, you know, I just, to me, it's so irresponsible at Tom Brady. I'd like to run that call and to be that emphatic about how you, I don't think people know kind of how much these guys make.

You know what I mean? like that you're talking about players you know 54 through 90 that if they show up at these voluntary workouts everything's taken care of all of their meals all of their training they get a per diem you know they so like people don't realize they get paid per day that they show up so either they're working out on their own because like gregg said they're trying to make the team they're on you know they may or may not make the team well if you do it at the facility you're making like 300 bucks a day. So if you're someone that's a fringe potential NFL player or practice squad player and you're trying to make that practice squad, if you don't go in, you're losing about

a grand a week to $1,500 a week that you're putting in your pocket for just showing up at the facility and not to mention everything's paid for when you go there. Yeah. And that's just the financial side. These guys, they're chasing the dream, you know? They have an opportunity to be in this building of this professional team, turn some heads, make relationships. I'm totally with you. Brady exists in a whole, he's a, he's a two percenter within this NFL world and he can't just speak for everyone. But is there a point from another angle on that? I totally agree with you with that. If there are, if they're going to stage it, those marginal players need to be there for everything that you mentioned. But wasn't Brady's point a little bit that he's sort of saying you

don't have baseball players throwing 90 mile an hour fastballs like in, you know, the middle of winter when the baseball's not happening, that maybe it's a tone down to some degree of the structure of the offseason. Has they done that? They're not doing that. And these, you know, they come before the CBA. Like, why are we? You're right.

Yeah, you're right, Mark. I mean, but, you know, again, they show up. They, they watch film. They work out. They do breakout meetings. They go on the field in shorts. They're almost never even in shells in these. And they're doing walkthroughs.

And then maybe they're doing a little bit of, of work. But like, the idea that Brady would drop that nugget to the public that these guys are doing what's the equivalent. of a pitcher throwing a 95 mile an hour fastball for 70 pitches on a day in January, that's just irresponsible. That's that there's that's not what that's not what they're doing in these OTAs and these rookie camps. That's just not what's happening. John always looking at this and like, we don't have to pay some of the money. I like burnt trying to fix this offensive line for six years. Great. No one's like no one's paying attention to that anymore. Like that was the

biggest sinkhole in the NFL their offensive one. The speaking of football morning in America, Brandon Bean, the bill's general manager spoke with Peter King. And there is a report that the league is primed to set a threshold, 85% vaccination rate amongst players for teams to conduct traditional meetings and practices in 2021, which is obviously an advantage to be able to prepare for a new season at that level. And Bean told King that it would be an advantage to hold those meetings and have those practices, and it might make a roster decision easier for him based on who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated. And Mark, this opens up a whole can of worms, obviously, a national discourse about vaccinations and who has to get one, who must get one, who gets the choice, all that.

That is going to connect to the NFL, I think, in a big way, this summer. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't have a huge hot take on this. I think from one angle being is talking about like any general manager or executive inside the building on the football side of operations, competitive advantage. You don't want to lose the chance to gather if you can. But, you know, this is a personal choice. 85% even sticks out to me as an interesting number because what are the other 15% doing on that front?

Again, I don't have a hot take on it. I'm getting vaccinated and I'm not telling anyone else to do anything. but the other 15% seemed to be a talking point inside a locker room to begin with. Right. I mean, Brandon Bean was kind of asked about this, followed up from Peter King, because he already said, like, I'd cut a guy, you know. He said the quiet part. He said the part, like, of course they would cut a guy.

If like things are close between two guys towards the end of the roster and you're trying to keep everyone safe, that's going to be a factor, most other GMs probably would just, you know, quietly do it. And it's only going to be for guys who are kind of marginal. Anyways, stars aren't going to be cut based on their medical preferences with the vaccine. They're not cutting Tom Brady about this. And he said the quiet part out loud. But it's like, I don't know.

Like it's just like last off season where we said the world is coming to the NFL. That's like everything that we're struggling with in our work lives and everything is going to affect the NFL too. And this is this is a good example of that. Like, you know, our country is going to have so many people that don't want. the vaccine and the rest of the world's kind of looking at like, what the hell is wrong with you? You guys are smart enough to have all the vaccines. Like, why aren't you taking them? And there's going to be, there's going to end up being repercussions, whether they like say it out loud or not. Yeah, to me, I'm with you, Greg. It's a non-story. I think it's obvious. You know, the anti-vaxxers

can can have their way with, you know, however you want, but whatever, it's a business. You know, if you feel like this is the best way to operate your business, because you want to have 85 or a hundred percent vaccine in your facility, then do it. You don't like it. Don't work for them. You know, go, go work for the Eagles. Go work for the Ravens or whomever else will bring you in if the bills aren't willing to employ you. And if none of them are, whatever, go work somewhere else. You know, people mistake rights for privilege. You know, these are independent, privately owned businesses. And that's, that's the reality to me. I know it's not popular. I get it. I don't get, I'm with you.

I don't want to put words in your mouth to try to put you on the anti-anti-vaxxer position. I'm not trying to take some sort of political stance, but to me, I think it's just a guy. I'm fine. That is Greg's stance. Yes, that is a hundred percent. It's my too. I mean, and there's also, there's different forms of privilege. Like LeBron, according to Dennis Schrooter in some, you know, German interview, like him and LeBron

were the only two guys that haven't been vaccinated on the Lakers and Schroeder is out now after, you know, getting the disease. Like, that's the privilege of being LeBron. Like, if you're a starter making a ton of money, you might have the privilege to have that decision. But if you're, it's kind of like, like, guys who get arrested and stuff. Like, you don't have the, like, those guys end up losing their jobs if you run afoul of the law.

And this is, this is similar. Do we know if Tom Brady accepted the vaccine? Because he seemed to issue the concept of wearing a mask the entire season. And he's out there whipping the ball around in a park, you know, when everyone else is in their house. Hey, why you got to bring up old ass, Mark, huh? Why you got to bring up old desk? plenty of dots to connect on tom brady if you care to in those realms all right in other news mark

who is tim tibo well he's many people um he affected our lives when he did the football version of tim tibo uh with a multitude of teams about 10 years ago and dan and i were charged with i am not exaggerating um there was a stretch of time where dan and i were literally charged with writing 10 plus Tim Tebow articles a week. Mine involved him dating or wanting to be dated by Kardashian, various Kardashian sisters. There was a Katie Perry spread in there, something to do with someone else.

And Dan and I would tally how many Tebow articles we did each week. And whoever wrote more would get the first round of beers for free at the, wow. The old tavern up the street. The breaking point for me was, well, the breaking point was the end. ended up on my team and it was a horrible situation. So that was bad. But the breaking point for me as a professional NFL media was having to work one Easter

morning and I'm in the newsroom and I'm, you know, I got my eye out. What's going on in the league? It's a quiet day. It's Easter Sunday. And then a furious shadowy league figure calls ready to fire my ass because I had yet to write a post about Tim Tebow speaking at some Christian gathering. in front of 50,000 people or something, I think Daniel Jeremiah's dad was involved.

He was, he was his thing. It's like, and there was a fury that I had yet to write a story about this church event, which I guess I was like, oh, I guess I blew that one. And I was like, this is horrible, and I don't want this to happen anymore in my life.

I think Tim Tebow Landing Spots was the first article I ever wrote at NFL.com. It was Greg, on an airplane you wrote. He was getting replaced by, Who was he getting replaced? Peyton Manning. I should remember this, Peyton Manning, of course. Right after Free Agency, it was like the reaction to Peyton Manning signing there.

I give John Elway credit for this, and everybody listens to the show knows it could be critical towards John in his handling of the Broncos, especially in the last five years or so. But at the height of Tebow Mania in that 2000, I guess it was 11 season, when everyone was going crazy and he was having those wild finishes to the game, and then, of course, the playoff win over Pittsburgh. and all that mania with the 90-yard touchdown. Elway never bought in, even in the press conferences. He never gave the people what they wanted, which was for him to say, he's our future, he's our team. Elway always knew. I wonder what happened to that guy.

I have three nuggets on Tebow that I'll share. One is, and I don't know if these are in, well, I think they're in chronological order. I was calling, before I got the Chargers gig, I used to just call, you know, game of the week. on the radio so I would be in whatever NFL talent calling a game. I was doing a Packers Broncos game and I was on the field at Lambo and I was watching Tim Tebow warm up and I have never seen in all my years of calling football college or professional such a poor throwing warm up like I was in disbelief how badly he was missing receivers and like it really was it was like beyond comprehension that like wait this is an NFL and you're watching the

receivers just kind of getting all pissy as they're running their routes. That's one. Two, I called the Broncos Bears game that Caleb Haney started for the Bears, in which the Broncos won in overtime. I had to catch a flight out of Denver that night. I think it might have been Tebow's first start, or it was an early Tebow moment, whatever the case. Before I called NFL games, I used to call college football games. So I'd been in some of these massive, like I've called Tennessee, Alabama. I mean, I'm talking giant 90,000 SEC fans freaking out, pouring out of the stadium, celebrating in the streets for hours on end. That went over the bears is the closest thing I have ever experienced in the NFL to a college atmosphere. If you've

ever been a mile high, you leave the stadium. And if you go up on the hill, it's this strip of bars, this strip. You couldn't move a car. I couldn't get to my flight. I had to spend night in Denver. I could not get out because people had just poured into the streets to celebrate this regular season win over the Caleb Haney led bears authored by Tim Tebow. And then my third nugget is, of course, he played second fiddle to me on the successful single season network show Million Dollar Mile on CBS. That was not renewed. I forgot about that. Yeah. So you- Tebow and I were tight. You guys worked together. We'd spend 18 hours a day together on set for about three weeks straight could not could not be a I don't know if I've ever

met like he's he's as nice a person as you've ever been around in your life as you know could not could not be more happy that I was able to spend those three weeks with that pleasant young man do you still like text once in a while about various items is he in your phone I have he's in my phone yeah I do not text him though did you tell him that he had the worst pregame warm up you've ever seen out of a quarterback that you know what's fun Funny, believe it or not, I don't know if I said it exactly, but I kind of alluded to it. He's got like this great self-deprecating sense of humor, believe it or not. Like he was, he totally, I'd mentioned, I had, I think I, I think I had mentioned something to that, you know, I wasn't that abrasive.

I just said, hey, I called that, that Bronco Packer game. I was watching your warm up. He's like, yeah? So I think I kind of, I took a circuitous route to get to that point. And it was a very gentle point I made. Anyway, like with all that said, and, you know, I do want to, I feel like it's a whole episode just talking to money about his Tebow experience, but Tebow's back in the NFL. This is pretty nuts to me. He's 33 years old now. He just spent the last four or five years in the organization of the New York Mets in Major League Baseball trying to make it as a pro. And he hacked it down in the minors and went through the grind of the minor league season, which is not.

glamorous on any level, and this is a millionaire athlete, it didn't work out. And now, Urban Meyer is bringing him to the Jacksonville Jaguars, where he's going to get a chance to try out as a tight end. Now, Mark, the quarterback dream is dead. Can Tim Tebow make a team? Let me tell you their depth jar right now. At tight end. Our boy, Chris Manhertz. Luke Farrell, Farrell, Tyler Davis, James O'Shaughnessy, Ben Ellison, all on the depth chart.

Tebow, does he have a shot? I mean, he could make it based on the fact that Urban Meyer seems to love him. And, you know, to Money's point, people that, you know, know, know, know Tintibo and away from some of the, you know, media critique, say the same thing. And this is a young team with not a lot of, you know, major veteran leaders. leadership. So, I mean, from that angle, I would say yes. Can he still play? Can he play tight end? I mean, he is an incredible athlete and he maybe still has those skills. I mean, I'd want to see him play before I can say yes or no. But from a person angle, I think they're not bringing him in without a real chance of him being on the roster. I think they're bringing him in like

most 34-year-old veterans that get signed this time of year as a camp body, maybe a little bit of a favor in this case and his chances of even being ahead of O'Shaughnessy for the fourth or fifth tight end spot are slim to none. There's very little reason to think he would be remotely athletic enough to play tight end. Like it's hard to play tight end. Why bring Tim Tebow to your organization because you just the name alone creates a love the man and he's in shape. And it's like what's the 86th roster spot to Urban Meyer? Sure, give him some, give him some time in in May through August and the odds, you know, the overwhelming odds are, then he's say goodbye. Eight years ago, I would have said, oh, this is also a needless distraction in that building.

But this, Tbo Mania, I feel like, is from another era. I don't, I think it's going to be a story. I think it's going to be a part of this camp with Trevor Lawrence in the building. But I don't think it's going to take over the team the way it maybe would have once upon a time. To, you know, to me, I think there's a couple things. one you know i don't i don't know if the jags need publicity and you know in in jacksonville you know i'm quite sure i would assume after trevor lawrence you've got everything you need right to to try to stoke the the fire and that fan base i've struggled to sell tickets obviously lawrence helps but

more than most franchises that's fair yeah so i mean to me that's you know i think it's worth to me it's more financial as opposed to football the one thing i would say that i didn't add from you know, my, I think I called two or three of his games, but it's like the Beatles. Like at least at that point it was. It was not that I was alive when the Beatles, when Beetlemania was taking over, but you see the film of it. That sort of looked like. Like when you came out of the tunnel, they had this group, and I had never seen this for any other team before, but they had a group of what I would say was probably two to three hundred people that would come on the field and sit in this one particular area that were just there for Tebow. They were not there to

watch the Broncos warm up. They were not VIP. This was a Tebow-centric group. And I think that's what you invite, right? You invite all these people that, um, and again, financially it's great. But from a football standpoint, when you're warming up and you're trying to get ready to play, you know, this game that's tough enough as it is. And you've got 200 people standing on the field that have paid for this premier experience with this individual that may or may not have a huge impact on the game. I think that's asking, you know, that's asking a little bit from the rest of your roster, right, to embrace Tebow Mania going into a seat because it's going to be there and it's going to be in every spot.

But if you're like fourth round pick Jordan Smith, you're like, please give me a rep against Tebow and let me wipe the floor with this, got this fool, please. And finally in the news, the NFL will release its 2021 schedule on Wednesday. And you can check that out right here on NFL Network and we're there. say there on NFL network and ESPN2 has it as well contractually obligated to mention that um what do you guys if you have the power to pick the opening game i'll start with you on this one mark if you have the power to choose what is the Thursday night opener what's the matchup you want to see all right so looking at all their home and away opponents so you got to go the problem is they're away against

the Patriots so you're saying they Tampa Bay Buccaneers the Tampa Bay Buccaneers I mean, get the game, obviously, right? Otherwise, what are we doing here? But they play in New England. So that is tedious because that wipes out what would easily be my number one pick. There's a very clear second for me. Don't give me Buck Saints.

First of all, that is highly annoying. Give me the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at home against the Buffalo Bills. Yep, I think that's the choice. I agree. Saints feels like it's almost as likely. I don't think they wouldn't do the Cowboys or the Giants, I don't think, if anything, because it's like, the kickoff's going

to get great ratings anyways. Let's save that Cowboys game for another time. The bills, the bills are sort of the perfect, the perfect compromise, the perfect marriage. They're the best team possible. And they're also like, you know, a smaller market. It's a matchup you wouldn't be used to see. And it's beautiful. Yeah, I think the, I just wonder if that's too early for that game, right? I mean, a potential Super Bowl preview, you would think they'd want that maybe a little bit later um i mean like you said they're gonna get ratings anyway right it feels like it feels like it could be saints with jamis and everything but that would that i'm with mark the bills would i don't think james is like a big national selling point i don't know not at all i'll say this

and i know they they like to have it obviously in the building of the defending champion so maybe this right throws it out but i will throw this one out because i know this is an important facility in our league, and I know this is a big market. We should check that box. What if Tampa Bay went to L.A. to play the Rams in the full house at Englewood, Matthew Stafford's first game. Side of the Super Bowl. Side of the Super Bowl.

They kind of got robbed of opening that stadium the right way in 2020 because of COVID. This would be a way to kind of sell the whole experience and what it means. I'll throw that one out and a good game. And a really good game. But the Bucks would totally revolt. What was the year? Was it the, well, they just got the Super Bowl in their building. So, you know, come on.

I know. But remember when the Ravens had to, oh, after they won the Super Bowl had to open? I think it was against the Broncos. And I think Joe Flacco threw like 55 passes in this game. But they had to open on the road, if I'm not mistaken, because the Orioles were like at home on the same. Peter Angelo's, the owner of the Orioles would not move a game. And it stuck it to the Ravens. It sounded like some like rich guy.

fighting that we were just privy to. Plus there was like, not that it's a reason to do it, but no player or team has ever owned another team over the course of the amount of time Brady was in New England as Brady and the Patriots did Buffalo. Like statistically, no one beat up on one other franchise enough. So it'd be a nice little like, hey, we can get back at you. Even at the end, even in Brady's last year, the bills had a chance to win the at the end and didn't come up.

To me, it probably comes down to the Cowboys and the Bills, right? I mean, that's like, so I feel like it'll be the Giants and the Bills. I feel like they don't like to use their best things. They're Cowboys, yeah. Cowboys makes a lot of it. If I were a betting man, which I am not, especially in matters related to professional football, Cowboys at Bucks, that brings the ratings in a big. Well, we're doing a reaction show, by the way.

We're doing a Wednesday night show. We're changing our schedule this week. We're so big on the schedule release this year. Oh, we love it. They rolled out Viking Saints as an opener following that NFC title game. So they don't always save, you know, the best matchup. Right. That's what's happening in the news.

All right. So we're caught up on the news. Now let's get caught up on, you know, where are these rookies, these high profile rookies? How are they going to come out of their rookie seasons? This is kind of silly, obviously, because you can't really. know how these guys are going to play. Look at the quarterback that you just studied money for an entire season as the voice of the Chargers.

Nobody thought Herbert was going to do what he did. So that's part of the fun. Jeremiah ranked him below Ross Blacklock, Texans defensive tackle, you know. Greg plays the hits. You know, that is Wonderwall by Oasis. Every time I see like a nugget about Blacklock, I'm just like, well, DJ had him 19th. Herbert was 20th. You know, Greg likes to play the thing like, oh, I like feuding with people because I don't take it seriously.

But then you see the stuff where he always brings up DJ and how he missed on Darnold and how he's bringing up the Justin Herbert thing constantly. This is your way of seriously sticking it back to DJ for his little fun social media. Very spiteful. I mean, I just would think it'd be awkward that he has to now work with Herbert for the next decade, like this amazing quarterback. It's like, yeah, I thought you were like as good as like a backup, you know, defensive. Or the 20th player in the draft. Or he thought he was the 20th best player in the draft, which I would say is quite a compliment, right?

For someone that was operating in a run-first offense and a head coach that was terrified to have his quarterback take chances. Well, he's lucky Tom Telesco didn't see him as a top 20, that is the 20th best player, that's for sure. Ain't that the truth? So since we're talking quarterbacks, let's start with pick one. pick one of

259, Trevor Lawrence. Really interesting to imagine where the Jaguars end up this season if they get legit quarterback play, which is in line here, potentially. So let me throw this out as a rookie season for Trevor Lawrence, and you guys tell me over under, is this in the ballpark in your mind or is this way out of line? First of all, he's starting.

Let's say, I'll say, you know, 16, 17 games. seen and a half games. All right. 28 and a half touchdowns, 13 and a half interceptions, 4,200 yards, 95 pass a rating. Am I crazy? Is this too optimistic? Or are we, should we look at him as emerging as something close to a star, something Herbert-esque right out of the game?

I'm going under with those numbers. I mean, expecting, and those are similar, but a little lower than what Herbert did last year. That's a lot to ask. I mean, even Joe Burrow, who was playing pretty well last year, wasn't going to get to those sort of numbers. And I still have questions about how this Urban Meyer thing goes and the talent around him in Jacksonville. It's not like they're loaded there.

I don't think Lawrence is landing in an amazing situation. I think he's landing in a pretty typical situation for a number one pick. I don't know. I mean, Baker Mayfield started fewer games through 27 touchdowns, had 14 interceptions and 3,700 yards. So if you're giving an extra game, you know, 16 and a half starts, you gave him to Trevor Lawrence. I think you're in the ballpark and I wouldn't have a problem with over with the way that the NFL operates offenses right now.

Yeah, I think I'd lean under. I just, you know, I feel like Herbert's season was such an outlier, you know, in terms of just those numbers. We don't see them, you know, and I think in terms of Urban, he's such a, you know, He is such a maniac for winning, and I could see him trying to minimize mistakes that are inevitably going to come with rookie quarterbacking, no matter how good a prospect. They are because, you know, we saw that in a lot of those charger games. You know, as great as Herbert was, late game situations tended to get away from him a little bit. And a lot of that could be because the defense wasn't playing well and maybe he felt like he had to do too much. But they don't have a good defense in Jacksonville.

I don't think they have a great offensive line in Jacksonville. so I could just kind of see Meyer trying, especially in that division, right? Kind of being able to envision, you know, I know we don't have the roster right now, but maybe this thing's get a bullet eight and eight, nine and seven. He's talking about running the ball a lot. And that's going to keep the numbers down. But if we move, Tebow, figure out this full back nonsense. What do we just move to right guard and just see how that goes?

I like that. I like to drink a bunch of shakes, get them up about 100 pounds and let's fly. Plug him right in. Text them right now, money. See, if I'm, if you want to. roster spot maybe offensive line i mean if you have not it sounds like you haven't texted tibo in quite a while that would be an odd way to get back in touch with him but if you type in tibo on your phone right now money does it bring up the most recent text and how long ago was that and what was

it does not wow you know what's funny is uh i don't see it in here oh so he was blocked money maybe he was like able to send some sort of electronic pulse He sapped his contact from my... By the way, when I was setting that line for Lawrence, I did go back and look at what Andrew Luck did, which is interesting because everyone says that Lawrence is the best prospect since luck. Surprisingly, and it's a bit of a different error at this point,

this 2012, but 23 touchdowns, 18 interceptions, completed less just over 54% of his passes, pass a rating of 76 and a half. They went 11 and 5, though. Yeah, and did a lot of good things doing that. And that's the type of thing where I think that's a realistic expectation. Lawrence could look really good and still his numbers might not be. I guess part of the reason I didn't set it in that area, Greg,

because I know the game has played differently now and it's more offensively inclined. Anyway, Justin Fields, let's hit some of these quarterbacks. Justin Fields, I just want to talk about playing time here. 12 and a half starts. He is, of course. Way too low. The Bears. Andy Dalton is in the building.

Easy over. Yeah, I agree. Hmm. I thought that was about, that sounded about right. I can absolutely see them starting Dalton for three games before pulling the rip cord. You know, but we do this, we do this, we do this every year. What week will quarterback X start? And the conservative approach is always week six, week five. And then the team gets its butt kicked in week one and bang, that guy's in there in week two. No one has a patience for 50 days of Andy Dalton, I promise you. I think the difference with Fields is, uh, just his disposition, his leadership, like that's, that's some of the things that really make him special. You hear the way teammates gush about him. So I just think Andy Dalton can't overcome that. To me, he goes into that building. He takes over that team. He takes over that quarterback

room. He becomes their savior and their leader of this new era of Bears football. And I think they're just, to me, the coaches, they'll have to go with them. I think he will inspire confidence in that team that Andy Dalton just simply can't. I think that ends up going so far. I'm going over. The two of you have convinced me. Yeah, I'm kind of with you. I think all that was well said. I'll hit you over there too. Here's a tougher one.

Trey Lance, I got him at eight and a half starts. I'm going over. Jimmy Garoppolo and the more I've thought about this, the more I think he's got a real chance to start week one and that it'll be sooner than later. I think it's all going to be up to him. If he looks awesome and he's picking up the office, offense and he gives Kyle Shanahan some different options. I think he's got a chance to play early. I'd be interested to hear what money has to say because, I mean, from a college angle,

he's a little bit of an outlier in terms of how many passing attempts he had in college. So it's like, but you hear that he's, you know, incredibly like intellectual pre-snap all there mentally. So if he's, if he's able to do it, I would go over. But I would, I would always go over in these situations with the rookie quarterbacks because I just don't think you go get this guy and do what you did without thinking in your mind, there's a great chance he starts 14 or 15 games for us. Yeah, I'm with you, Mark and Greg, I think he starts, you know, because, and look, what is, you know, what is Shanahan so good at, right? It's disguising. It's, it's winning the play before the ball is snapped. And like you said, I mean, what you hear about Tray Lance is just

such, you know, a smart guy, someone who's able to diagnose was asked to do that, to check in and out of place from the quarterback position, even though it was at North Dakota State. You know, I would be really surprised if he didn't start. I've got to believe they're still crossing their fingers that there's a way to move Garapolo that they can get recoup some of that draft capital. They lost from a desperate team that unfortunately sustains an injury in training camp

or preseason. So I, you know, because look, I think you can design it, right? You can kind of do what the bills did with Josh Allen where you don't have to throw the ball 30 times a game. Yeah, exactly. He's done before. I think that's sort of been lost on this that, you know, when I was thinking of, when I was calling Herbert the best rookie season of the last two decades, number two is probably RG3, that same year with Andrew Luck.

And that's Kyle Shanahan. You know, he threw 20 touchdowns, 500 Shepton's rookie of the year, RG3 with Shanahan. If he can do it for RG3, I got to think he's ready to do it. I just, I wonder if, because we're, I think we're all in agreement that the 49ers have a chance to be very good this season. And it's not all on the quarterback. it's because it's such a well-rounded roster. They got killed by injury setbacks last season,

and you would think with steady quarterback play and all these other pieces that they can win a lot. I just wonder if they decide to open the season with Garaplo and cite in part that Lance has such little background in playing, in general, even going back to college, that if they get out of the gates fast and they're five and one, they might not be like in a rush to put in the kid. And then when they hit turbulence around mid-season,

or Grafalo gets hurt, which is always a factor here, then Lance gets there. I think they're going to play or start a similar amount of games. That's just a hunch I have. I would just quickly push back on the they're going to be exceptional. I don't know what that defense is going to look like. You know, they got rid of Buckner. That was the wrong call. You know, I don't think Armstead's been as good without him.

I think, you know, Kinlaw was average, you know, to just maybe even below. He started to come on a little bit toward the end of the year, but that didn't seem like an adequate replacement for Buckner. was that was the strength man they got that push up front and that was just kind of what caused everything else to operate everybody celebrated robert sala for being the brains behind that defense and coordinating that defense he's gone i don't know what his replacement's going to look like uh the secondary was beat to hell uh they they look pretty rough in the secondary they're now supposedly talking to richard sherman that looks like their weakness but they coached them up

i mean they didn't have nick bosa last year they didn't have a lot of their best players and they coached them up i mean i kind of think maybe the scheme and the system veils there, even without Sala. All right. Fascinating team, the Niners. Moving on, Kyle Pitts. They say the best prospect, tight end prospect, maybe ever. Amina, homina, homina.

Over. Enteres an offense with stars at wide receiver, Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, a former MVP and Matt Ryan with someone to prove, and an offensive coach that everybody loves in Arthur Smith. With that said, Kyle Pitts, as a rule. Rookie 71 and a half catches, 1,100 yards, seven and a half TDs. Hit it. Obliterates the rookie tight-end record by like triple.

My God. Well, this is a generational all-time prospect entering an excellent offensive situation. I got to pull up what Darren Waller had last year in one of the great tight-end seasons, because I think that might even be close to better than what Waller had. All right. It'd be a lot to ask. I was ready to go over for anything because I just want to believe in this in pits and I'm buying the hype.

Arthur Smith's tight ends for what it's worth, you know, didn't put up huge numbers in Tennessee, even though he certainly got him a lot of touchdowns. Yeah, that feels a little too rich, even though I was ready to go over. I guess I'm going to have to go under. By the way, one of the best rookie campaigns by a tight end ever was Mike Ditka, who had 1,076 yards and 12 touchdowns. I mean, you look across the board, most other rookies, and I know this is sort of a trope,

but there's a truism behind it. The rookie tight ends just don't produce that way. He's not a normal tight end, to be fair. I think he could get to 900,000. So if you had put it right a little lower, I might have taken. I'd go under, but I think that he's going to be different. I mean, there's no question about that. So last year, Waller, who is very, I think that's the closest comp, right?

It's just an impossible cover. It almost operates like a wide receiver as opposed to a tight end. and just so athletically gifted for his size. Last year, Waller did 107 catches for 1196 and nine touchdowns. But again, he was targeted 145 times. I didn't look it up. I would guess the next highest targeted receiver was probably Agalore at like 85 targets or something like that.

I mean, Carr was all about. So you got Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley. I just don't, man, that seems high to me. Well, you know what? If Julio Jones is still in the building. Yeah. If he's moved, that could open up. That could change a lot of targets.

How about Najee Harris? Okay. New Steelers running back. He's going to be locked and loaded and be a big part of that offense you would expect as a first round pick running back. James Conner is in Arizona now. I'll set it at 1,100 total yards and 7.5 touchdowns. I'll go over.

I'm sure fantasy people who were like all down. And like, don't waste the first round pick on a running back. Oh, that lasts as long as you're in your fantasy draft. And you're like, who else is getting 325 touches in the NFL? Naja Harris, to me, was on a short list. So I'd go over. Him and Pitts, I think, have a decent chance to, you know, be an underdog offensive rookie of the year guys, even with all these quarterbacks.

I'll go over, too, because, I mean, Jonathan Taylor surpassed the numbers you mentioned last year. And I think they're going to use them all day long, starting right away. And I think that, you know, you could also examine what the over-under would be in terms of receiving yards because he's, he's a dual threat. And so I think he has a great chance to be rookie of the year. I'd agree. You got to protect Ben. He can barely move. Hand the ball to the guy a lot. A lot of those smoke routes. Just, you know, I agree. I think he's going to end up. You know, the one thing about Taylor is that he was behind the best offensive line in the league, you know, and I think the Steelers look like they might have one of the, what, 10 worst at this point. So that'd be the only concern, especially for someone that was running behind the offensive lines that he's been running behind his entire time in college. At the same time, there's like a flip side of that, right?

Alabama's got this great offensive line. But you're also dealing with just incredible athletes size speed ratio in the SEC. So he knows what it's like to have to absorb. I think darn close to NFL contact at the D-line line linebacker level. And he broke a ton of tackle. So I'm with you. I think it's a, hey, clean sweep. Go to you over.

And I'll do one more. and then if anyone else has one, please throw it out. Rashad Bateman, okay, first round pick of the Ravens, a lot of conversation that he is going to be exactly what they needed to get their passing game going. Well, according to this over-under, I'm not totally buying it. Fifty and a half catches, 700 yards, three-and-a-half TDs. Three and a half, that's mean.

I'll go push. I think that you nailed that. I think you nailed the exact line. He's going to have 50 and a half catches. Oh, man. I think I'd go under, too, at least for the yards in the, in the catches. That's at, I feel like 650 yards and 45 catches would be a success for a rookie receiver in that system. Come in, be part of the solution, and you don't have to light the world on fire.

I feel like if I take the under, I'm going to be attacked for negative Lamar Jackson commentary. So I don't feel like getting attacked. I'm already going to get attacked by the anti-backers. I don't want to get two groups coming after me after this podcast. So I'll go over. Lamar Jackson can now throw outside the numbers as accurate as any quarterback in history. I'm going over. To be fair, Hollywood Brown, 584 yards and seven touchdowns his rookie season,

769 and 8 his second. I think maybe Bateman is viewed a little more complete than that. So I think you set the number right around right where you're. should be i'll take the over all right there you go anybody have one to throw out themselves i have i have one two quick dan-esque ones because you are nice enough to offer them to us um so you can just you don't have to analyze it just go over under landon dickerson your boy over under two sacks allowed oh two sacks allowed um i don't think he's going to allow how else do we judge these i don't know i don't think he's going to allow any sacks out of the pivot in philly

this year over 17 starts all right How about this? Robert Sala, this has to be captured on broadcast network footage, 222 fist bumps during the regular season, over under. 222, so that's, you know, a little over a week, you know, 12 a week or something. That's a pretty big number. He might get injured. Yeah. So I'm going to go under.

Yeah. The camera found its way to Sala more often than any other player on the 49ers. during his final couple seasons there. So I think the cameras will be trained on Sala. Then it just, I think the Jets defense isn't going to be good enough this year. They didn't address the ball. That's out of the ball. I think it's going to be a little bumpy as they try to figure some things out.

So I'm going to go with the under there. Not enough to fist bump about. How about over under? Well, it's not really an over under. It's in either or. Your boy Wilson has got more interceptions than touchdowns or more touchdowns are more touchdowns than interceptions. Oh, Zach Wilson, by the way.

I mean, I'm going to go, well, go ahead, Dan. This is personal. I know where you're going, Greg. Let's see. It's too, I'm so conditioned to the failure at this position that I would guess what's going to probably happen is he's going to have an up and down season. He's going to have plenty of doubts around him. But I just want to live in the realm of optimism.

I'm going to say he's going to go positive. Also, you've, got a Mike LaFleure offense that came from the brain of Kyle Shanahan, which is a quarterback-friendly, you're not going to put quarterbacks into worlds of total chaos. It would be a huge disappointment if you threw more picks than touchdowns. So I just, I can't see that world. Touchdowns over picks. It's 20-21. It's hard to do that at this point. And Josh Allen did it, his rookie season. He had more interception. But that's, it's pretty rare. I mean, when that happens to a veteran like James, it's like, you become a punchline.

So I'm going to say, no, the NFL is, it's too hard to throw that many interceptions. I think it'll be fine. An accurate quarterback, too, we're talking about. Oh, yeah. I just think about it. Like 19 and 13 or something like. I was going to say, like, their backup, we just talked about this last week.

Their backup quarterback right now is like Delta Burke. I don't even know if they have a backup quarterback on the roster. I don't know if you guys knew this, by the way, Delta Burke's still alive. Still alive, still with us. Do we throw in Mac Jones over under? I'm going to set it. I'm going to set it. at uh seven and a half maybe that's too low but i don't care i'm going over i'm

because i'm going to what i'm rooting for i really think they're going to try to make this work with cam newton and they're only going to go to and they're only got to go to mac jones if it is truly not going well which is certainly you know possible after watching last year's office going over you're going over i i just i just don't believe in almost any veteran quarterback when a first round quarterback is being brought on to the roster. And I also don't believe that we're going to get Cam Newton from four years ago. Right, just because they added a couple tight ends. He threw eight touchdown passes last year.

This cannot be understated, overstated. Eight touchdowns in 15 starts in the NFL in 2020. It's almost impossible. That's wild. Yeah, it is almost. Oh, I got one more. let's go you can't do better season

I think that's too tough but who has who has better numbers Devante Smith or Jalen Waddle I'd go Smith for sure I think better opportunity I mean you got Hertz versus Tunga

Boiloa yeah that's fair but there's more there's more mouse to feed in Miami and Waddle seems like he's going to be more like a big big playmaker Devante Smith maybe catch us

some more short routes. He looks like the number one in Philly, whereas the Otto's fighting. Yeah, I'll go Smith. I mean, you know, you could argue for either. I'm going Smith. Smith is the goal for me, too. Yeah, I think he's going to,

they're going to really work to make that the wide receiver prospect that actually plays out how the Eagles want to, whereas maybe it's going to take some time down in Miami. And I'm also like, not sold on Tua. I know that's not a very popular opinion, but not. I'm kind of with you, Dan. And I feel like that's a totally popular opinion. He was totally buried all last season.

There was very few people. You guys are going to get attacked. Shad's going to come slice your scalps for that one. I just think there's, and there were reasons for the excuses, and they were all valid for the most part. So I'm not like killing him saying he can't play. But it's just like, that was not a fun guy to watch as a rookie. The assumption that a few months of the calendar passes and some other players are involved,

the all of a sudden he's going to be dynamic. Maybe it will be. we got to see it yeah i'm out i'm out if anybody else has any i'm all set anybody else good all right real quick real quick all right i got one more sorry i know i said i said over under podcast hosts that have a cornhole board hanging on their wall i'm gonna set it i'm a set it at one and a half over under any podcast any podcast hosts anywhere In their home, not like a studio where they do the podcast. This is my house.

It is in their home, a cornhole board hanging on their wall. Confidently going over because, I mean, I don't know what is the, what kind of a, like, it could be anyone with a podcast and they call themselves the host of it. We only need to find one more on the entire globe for that to be. But you got to find it. If you guys listen to the show and you host a podcast and you have a cornhole board on your wall, let us know. There we go. I'm going over.

taking it over comfortably just think about like the Midwest alone all I would imagine are thousands of college football podcasts we were down we were down there's it's supposed to be played it's not a decoration it's like it's okay you know nothing's no that's not fair this is what's great about it it's it's functionality I use I just used it a week ago I just pulled it off the board took it out front okay through some bags put it back so not only is a decoration It's got your views. It's getting mileage. That's like money. You could go play the records behind you on a record player if you needed to. I think it would ruin your stylus. I think you would immediately be at the record store. And by the way, they do have lines in them.

I almost wonder if it is an exact replica. That would be cool. Just crack it open. Yeah, there's six tracks on the front side and there are six tracks there. So there's only one way to fund that. And by the way, it's also a nod money to the great Chris Wessling. Yes. Who introduced us. to Cornhole. And also,

it should be noted that the GoFundMe for the Westling family, Lakeisha and Link, is hitting a $300,000 mark. And that is a testament to all the amazing fans of this show and everyone who loved West.

So that is great. And it's still out there if you want to hit it. You could find it on our social media accounts. And thank you to everyone that's contributed. That is awesome. hundred k hey hitting me fantastic that's not for you mark stay away from it okay nor am i attempting to take hold of it i'm very glad where it's going so we get we got

play some some bags you know this uh this offseason mark and i were down at colline and gonzos they don't they don't they just there's a movement they don't like the name cornhole they just call it like you know bags or bag oh bag is the chicago yeah i think that like all those all gone those Philly friends, you know, they all call bago. Baggo. Yeah, Chicago, it's bags. I never knew bags. But either way, I kind of, I don't know. I like the idea of bags. I like the idea of bags. The name Cornhole, it's a fair, it's a fair point. Everyone's just so, everyone's so like worried about saying something offensive. Everyone's taking it to a certain place, I think, with Cornhole. It's not, it's not that thing. It's a different thing. But you knew that thing first.

Yeah. What do you mean? You knew that first. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I would say, consult Beavis and Butthead. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. You're going to have to explain that one to me, Dan. Maybe you could do it right now. What are the, what are the Philadelphians call it? Baggo and Bean?

Baggo. Oh, please. Play some bago. Big thumbs down on that. Bags. Bag. I like bags. Baggs. Toss some corn.

Throw some corn. All right. Throw some corn. Okay. Well, I know where you can find a board if you need one. Hit me up. Money you've said it all. And we love when you're on the show.

Always love it. Anytime, guys. And now you got Petros and money's coming up, right? All good. Yeah, every day. And I believe we have the power rankings. Money is like I'm scheduled to talk for three hours today. That's not enough.

I want, or four, four hours. Four today, three to seven. Let's try to find another couple hours. Money, I believe we have power rankings on NFL network this week as well. We do Thursday, I believe the old Zusser going to make the debut. And I will service his foil. Find us on the dial. Yeah, that's what makes good TV.

When you please battle him, he's put the Jets at number eight, and I find that to be a little bit out of bounds. I'm with you. I said, Dan, that's way too low. They're a top five team for me. That's why I'm wearing the green today, because I'm a big Jets believer. There we go.

There we go. All right, good stuff. All right, we'll be back, like Greg said, Wednesday. We're just going to have some fun. We've got the schedule release dropping, so we're going to have some analysis on that, including revenge games. And Greg, you gave me a good idea for an NFL.

com piece that I have to write, uh, spicy revenge with the bills involved. Uh, so be back Wednesday. Check us out. NFL network show back Friday. And yes, me and money on power rankings on Thursday. A lot coming up. Stan Hans is signing off for Quiet Storm, the old boss, money. Star of the hit MicroSeg, money on money. And of course, Ricky Hollywood behind the glass till Wednesday. Got that, that's back. Oh, please. This is an I-heart podcast.