NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Panthers join NFC elite and is it Teddy Time?

Episode Date: November 14, 2017

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe recap the Monday night matchup between the Dolphins and Panthers (3:00); Suggestions on how to improve the schedule for prime time games (10:00); News from around the league, including Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman’s interesting promo for NFL in Mexico (22:20); Will the Cowboys be alright despite their recent string of bad luck? (24:00); The Giants’ statement about head coach Ben McAdoo (27:00); Rosenthal and Hanzus go toe-to-toe on whether the Titans are a legitimate AFC contender (46:00); Plus, listener iTunes reviews (54:00) and more!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How dare Matt Money-Smith question the length of this show and whether it's still relevant? When we gave him the start to his career, now the voice of the Chargers, unbelievable by him. I think it's fair to say he doesn't get voice of the Chargers if he's not opening our shows for the past four years. To say the least. I think it's very fair.

A lot of attention, yeah. We have been on for a while, though. Five seasons. A little too long at this point. It's one of those things like, well, what are you still doing this for? Because are you getting better? Are you getting worse? Wow.

Are you even invested in the product? I'll throw it to you, Mark. Well, I mean, these are the questions that we're getting from our employer all the time. They seem to be on the fact that, you know, somehow this is. is still rambling on this show, and it's on their radar. They're concerned that maybe it should have been canceled two or three years ago, potentially. Is this the longest running podcast in history? I feel like most podcasts are like 18 months, and then it's like, see you later.

At this company or just in general? Ever, in the history of podcasts. Probably, yeah. I think so. We should call Guinness. We should call it, yeah. Media research, LA, media research, they do a great job. We're going to get to them a little bit later.

We have a nice show today. Nice show. A lot to get to. I'm excited. As we head towards week 11. we'll start by capping week 10 the Monday night football matchup between the Panthers and Dolphins

that went sideways in a hurry then a little later in the show we will preview the Thursday night football matchup between the Steelers and Titans that's a saucy one a little bit of a referendum on the Titans potentially on TNF so that's a good one and then we'll have a discussion

we're talking about primetime games right there we'll have a little bit about some of the issues we're getting the season with competitive primetime games, specifically on Sunday and Monday nights. Any ideas, how to spruce things up? That's what we're here for. The league comes to us for ideas like that. We don't just complain about the problems.

We come with solutions. That's why we're NFL employees. Solutions that are listened to and then change effectively happens very quickly after based on our ideas. Right. It's just like a giant suggestion box. That's us. Like we work for the shield.

They actually give us a shield. If you ever see us in person, we have to lug around a 110-pound shield with the logo. And Connie Fox, your forearms just ripped. You could tell that's from holding your shield. I had to put the seats down in my car just to get it in there. She's like Mark McGuire, circa 1999. It's like it's more than a little suspicious what's going on with Colleen's forearm. That's it for Colleen forearm talk.

Let's start with some Monday night of football chatter. now with McCaffrey motioning to the left all alone in the shotgun bounces on the balls of his feet throws a comeback route caught left side 10 Funches to the five Funches scores a star is born a star is born a star is born been playing well for a while but I'll accept that Mick Mixen WBT with a call I'm not sure who said a star was born but star is born Devin Funchis nice little player though so I get what he's saying

are we on board with that how he thought had kind of a breakout moment earlier in the season. So I would say his star has been, it's been exploding all year. Yeah. So it's already been burroth. Yeah, I don't know if last. You're kind of pushing for the coming out party scenario last year. I didn't come out of that game thinking like that was the Devin Funnard game.

No, it was like the eighth bullet point. Definitely not. Anyway, Cam Newton. Cam Newton. We know who that guy is. He threw her 254 yards, four touchdowns. Christian McCaffrey scored twice. Devin Funch has scored a couple times.

And a 45-21 blowout. out for the Panthers over the Miami Dolphins. That is the third straight win for Carolina. And we'll start with you, Mark, on this one. We just finished talking about on Sunday show, the big four in the NFC. But the Panthers kind of lurk right maybe beneath that group or maybe they're not even beneath that group because they are now seven and three and can look real good when they get warmed up.

My issue with the Panthers over the last month plus was how boring they were to watch on offense. And I think that I owe them an apology and I just think others do too. Oh, how big of you? I'll tell you why, because how wrong I was about my analysis. Can we get Cam Newton on the phone for this? Sure. Yeah, not to him, I don't. Take Mark back. Can we read your tweet about him last night to him when he's on the phone? Go for it. Okay. Got that teed up? Were there some Clyde Storm tweets about Newton? Here's the thing. I mean, honestly, I got finished yesterday watching the Saints destroy the bills with a ground game from another

century. And then last night, the Panthers show that they've completely chosen and successfully chosen a new identity on offense. They wore down the dolphins, already a team that was lesser than them. But by the second half, that ground game, which talked about 300 yards, the idea that when they traded Kelvin Benjamin, I laughed at them for saying, oh, it's going to open up our ground game. Yeah. And in fact, in the last two games, that's exactly what it's done. I don't know if it's exactly because of Kelvin Benjamin, but their offense and the way that they've unleashed Cam, Mike Shul, that offensive coordinator,

who's now concocted about seven different types of Panthers attacks, deserves a lot of credit. Yeah, they were trying to focus more on speed and getting faster on offense, and that's exactly what we saw last night. I mean, even with Cam Newton, they're just letting him do what he does best, and that's when the Panthers' offense succeeds.

And Christian McCaffrey, he has three touchdowns in his last two games, but I think one of the other things with him, He threw some key blocks in there that really kind of broke open the game on the funches touchdown. He had one on that long catch and run. So, I mean, they're sort of clicking now, which is scary because that defense is so good. And I know that Mark, by the way, said go find the tweet because he did a rare mark.

He deleted the tweet. He deleted the tweet. I had duplicate tweets. They said basically the same thing. They're the one with. What happened? He basically was, he wasn't thrilled with the celebrations. Which is fine.

It was a night for Cam. It was a night that reminded you how exciting this team could be. And you guys mentioned it. This isn't a one-week thing, and that's why I'm not just chalking up to that they were playing the Dolphins. When they came out last week against the Falcons, they had a noticeably different approach. They said,

forget this whole, like, let's try to run like a quote-unquote pro-style offense and let's work on the short passes for Cam and let's not expose Cam. Forget that. He is unlike anything the NFL has ever seen. he's a great runner. His threat of running opens up so much for McCaffrey who had his best game last week and Stewart who had his best game this week. We've been at our best when that is our offense.

So let's stop worrying about the future. Let's just try to win now. And they've run for 495 yards over the last two weeks. And I'll make a point that, yes, Christian McCaffrey was drafted high to be, I guess, some type of complete running back. He's not that. But I also think that some of the criticism he's gotten has been, a little unfair because I really do think he's a very valuable piece of this offense and he's done

a lot of things for them. Now we're starting to see it a little bit more in the box score. I think they're still figuring out how to use them. And with this embracing the offense that they really always should have had, I like the idea or see the McCaffrey potentially having an even more explosive role going forward. And in that St. Spills game and in the game last night, it's when you get to the second half that both games were relatively close at halftime. In that second half, that Dolphins defense is worn down. You saw the Saints on Sunday run the ball 24 straight times, and they did it well. It was incredible to watch.

And the Panthers last night, another team from the same division, those teams are going to play each other in week 13. Same mold. I mean, when you can run the ball that way and beat up a defense, you're going to go deep into the season. The Giants, to use them as an example in San Francisco, they quit. At least some players did. I didn't get the sense either with the bills or the dolphins that there was quitting involved.

They just got worn down on offenses that were. They have a great attack. They had a great game plan and then running backs that they could use to attack them. And that's having Stewart who entered the game, I think, with what? The lowest yards for a carry out of the league. Yeah, like 2.9 or something. And he looked like it was 2012 again. It's the box and it's Cam and I guess McCaffrey,

but mostly Cam opening it up for the other players. But none of this works. I mean, their offense is going to be fine. They're hoping that their offense is average or a little better. It only works if you have a top five defense to go along with that. I mean, that was the recipe in 2013 when they went 12 and 4. That was the recipe when they went to the Super Bowl. And that's the recipe now.

All they need is their offense to be okay. And they need Kwan Shore. I mean, the special part of this team is Kwan Shore and Lou Kekley and Thomas. Yeah, that interception he had before the half kind of turned things around for them because it would have been 10-7. You go in 17-7. Yeah. Offins are dreadful, though.

Well, yeah. This ended a three-week journey. One of, you know, three-week journey. I don't know if this has ever happened before where a team traveled across our prime time properties. They went Thursday to Sunday to Monday. And this was an Odyssey, a story that no one should ever talk about again. Well, and it started with you and I covering a 40 to nothing loss to the Ravens.

And it ended last night in equally disastrous fashion. They were the worst four and two team in the league. Now they're the worst four and five team. At some point, they'll probably be the worst six and ten team. It's like, they might come up a little bit later because we got to do some housekeeping with the four committee. So that was one of the- I don't know. I mean, just what do they have?

After a year and a half. We'll talk about it. Adam Gase has got to be disappointed. You know, so, and yeah, 45-21, not great for Monday night football. Sunday night football, we've talked about it. Al Chris and Michelle, all season have been stuck with dogs. And I did shoot our research team in email because it felt like we've been seeing more blowouts. Yeah.

And these Sunday night games. That's not quite the case. they got back to me the average margin of victory this year is 12.52 last year 12.73

2014 14.197 it's kind of hovered in that 11 to 13 range so maybe that's something that sometimes it gets on your radar a little bit. Or it's had a couple really bad they had a terrible week or two weeks I would say

I mean if you go through the schedule this year. There are a couple of good games here and there, but a lot of these games have been handily taken care of by one side. How about a quick chat? Everyone likes a quick chat. I love it. Sponsored by Quick chat. Your favorite, I am client.

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No. Great chat. Runs errands doesn't exist. Venture capitalists. Mark, we'll start with you. That's your money. If you, all right, so how do we do this? So then if you go through the years, there are a lot of lopsided games in primetime.

How about we throw out a couple suggestions and the league office will be plugged into this? How do you make these prime time games more competitive? I'll give you two quick ideas and you can respond. Number one, I would say a totally open before the season begins. you have an open slate post-Hlloween for all primetime slots that you give the league two or three weeks notice that you start scheduling them three weeks ago for this week's games. So you can do, as Greg wanted, to get certain the Saints in there

and the Rams and other teams that we never expected to be good before the years. On Thursdays and Mondays, too, you're saying. Well, there's a second part with Thursdays. Thursday night football is not going to officially go away. That's not how things happen. The league is going to keep adding more and more. but my concern and the way I feel sometimes as a fan is that there's a oversaturation point where it feels like I'd like the idea of football to be on every night if every night was a competitive

game but we're not getting that and I remember growing up that late in the year you get those rare Saturday games and you get the occasional strange Christian Anderson was talking about this back even in the 70s you get the weird Thursday night game and it was special you remember those games there was something about the NFL that the product rose up so what I would do is I would turn Thursday football into a special event that occurs once a month or maybe it occurs over the course of a month in the season where Thursday night football is something that isn't suddenly in your lap quickly as the week it comes so quickly every week the teams have issues the players and you treat it more like the way you treat London it's something special but it's in the states and it occurs at an important

point of the year and you can schedule it mid-season to find out which of these teams we want to make TNF the best product we can I love the novelty of that because for me I'm flying back from the East Coast on Sunday so I always end up missing a good chunk of games live you want to change the entire national schedule I don't for me yes for me just around my flight schedule because the only games that I really really get to like sit and absorb and really enjoy are the prime time games otherwise I'm kind of just watching right in real time right yeah so to have them be total stinkers is such a bummer well Greg you're kind of our logistical expert yeah this realm so but you are good at like telling

Greg quickly agrees why Mark's idea can never work. Well, my ideas weren't too similar and I guess we'll talk about, we can talk about that. My one was to reduce Thursday night football as well to start. So I don't know if you're going to do once a month

and granted they have contract signed for a few years, so this would be the next time around. Maybe you go back to the old way where they really started it, I believe, around Halloween and on or close to Thanksgiving and on. I don't think they'll ever be a day, where you can flex Thursday or Monday night games in any capacity.

I just don't, because of logistics, because of scheduling and fans and just everything, I just don't think those two nights are ever going to be open. But my other idea, other than reducing Thursday night down, because I think when you take out six or seven Thursday night games, those are 12 games of the borderline teams. Now, you're not going to predict the teams right ahead of time, but that gets rid of some of those dolphin primetime games. It's like you're still going to be loaded.

it up on the Steelers and the Patriots and hopefully you can guess right for the most part because sometimes you're just going to get in a tough spot where a team surprised you. But those take away those borderline teams. That's one. I think with the flex, that was my second idea, is make the flex more flexible.

You can't, you know, the weeks five to ten, people don't even know this. You can only even use the flex twice. I don't understand that. Like, I think just start being able to flex starting week five. And to your point, maybe don't write, don't even write in the Sunday night game starting week five on because then it becomes this weird thing where you don't

want to change it unless, you know, there's a better ratings game out there. Just leave week five open and it becomes a thing every Monday morning, or Tuesday morning, 12 days ahead that you're kind of looking forward to finding out what's the Sunday night football. Start that in week five. That seems doable. Yeah, and it tells teams earn it. You want to get on Sunday night football and you want to have the best games by week six, week seven, be one of those teams we want to see. Don't be the, don't be, it's also not, it's Miami's fault that they're not a great team, but it's not fun to be a fan of the Dolphins. I remember in 2007 when the Browns went, had a weird 10 and six year, and the NFL went nuts

and put them on prime time, I think five or six times, and then they proceeded to be a dumpster fire. And as a fan, you don't want to watch your team, Dolphins fans are not enjoying watching their team lose 40 to nothing, and then get hammered last night, Twitter's on fire, everyone calling the team a disgrace. It's not a good experience for the Dolphins fans either. I would say two quick things. I like that flex more flexible. It even has a nice ring to it. Maybe a new hashtag is coming out.

Another campaign. Two things I would say. Sometimes it does feel like the schedule makers put too many eggs in the NFC East basket. And then what happens if the NFC East is having a down year or certain teams that are always out there. The Broncos are another example. And I get it. It's not, there's no simple answer to any of this stuff because there's market share and historically how ratings do. And that drives a lot of this.

And there's a surprise teams. Look at the top of the NFC. this year. Those four teams were not really expected to be the team. But when you go through a season, like, it feels like there's an NFC East team every week playing. It just feels that way. They get the ratings. And they get the ratings. I get that.

So I would say that. The other thing, the other point I would have. I'm trying to remember it. Have baseball teams. Have baseball teams play against football teams. I thought it was so poignant. It was a little too. Really steady. I'm like, wow, this is coming from the heart.

It's just like when there's a really good matchup and it's in the one o'clock window and then you have a stinker later on, it just sucks. And a lot of it we know is bad luck. Still thinking, by the way. Yeah, we're trying to, we're a spitballing for you to get you. We're stretching.

I will. I will point out we've had, it's been a rough prime time slate in terms of just the excitement before the games of the matchups. You know what I mean? Yeah. This week we happen to,

like we're saying this conversation in a week where three of the better games, I feel like that we've had in a while are all in prime. Time. Titan Steelers Thursday night. Eagles Cowboys Sunday night, which I wish Zeke Elliott was there. But that's still a big time, exciting game. And Falcon Seahawks Monday night, which I'm personally excited about, kind of the two teams that were there last year in the NFC. Like, those are three good prime time games. So they lucked out. Some of it's just luck.

Well, and last year, you remember early in the year, there was so much critique over the bears, for instance, being in prime time twice when they were a mess. And it, but the NFL, we actually talked to people and they said, you got to wait by the end of the year. The schedule will round into shape. It does seem to do that every year. It's the beginning of the season, sometimes where things are a big mess. The other one I thought of, it's not, it's not pointing in at all. But it's another one of those things, it's more a feel than I don't know if it backs it up.

But certain games, last night is a perfect example. The Panther, even before the season started, it felt like probably a tough ask for Miami to go to Carolina. Maybe sometimes the team that you kind of have an idea could be the underdog going into the game, have them host the game. because sometimes it feels like these teams are going into a buzzsaw against the perennial league. Don't ship the Jets to Foxborough five years in a row on prime time or something. It's probably going to be a better game if the Jets come to. Yeah.

Or the Patriots come to the Middlelands. I think the Dolphins are headed to Fox. Oh, no, the Patriots are headed to Miami. So that proves your point. That's better. Well, it also proves our point that they're on for a fourth time. So they were a plow team last year. I don't mind watching the Patriots in prime time because they're the theater.

I'm saying the Dolphins. The Dolphins were a playoff team last year. And if it's inflexible, you're going to keep hitting this because there'll be two playoff teams this year that stink next year and you're going to get stuck with the same thing. All right. Good talk, guys. And this is being, this was actually streamed live.

Valencia Fulton hooked it up straight to Rogg's office. Good. And he was furiously scribbling notes. So I think we have a direct line. Four letters of termination furiously being scribbled right now. All right. Let's move on and do some news. Actually, no.

Let's do an ad read. Oh, that sounds better. That sounds more fun, doesn't it? Oh, my God. I want to tell you about a great new podcast called Outside the Box. Whoa. What? An ads or other podcasts?

Really? Lindsay, what is this? Again, I don't make the copy. I don't control the ads. What is this? Outside the box. Literally just the message. I mean, it's...

Is this a Rosenthal Jeselnick podcast? It's pretty standard, I think. Tiny Box does not approve. It would be strange if television shows weren't allowed to advertise. other television shows. ESPN's new pro football podcast starting tonight. Outside the tiny box. No, if you're a maker, an innovator, or even just a consumer who wants to peek

behind the curtain of some of the world's greatest organizations, you'll love it. The latest episode. Like, does the tiny, or does outside the box do an ad for us? Is it one of those things, a home at home? They might. I'm going to guess not at all. Maybe if you listen to more podcasts, you would know that this is a regular occurrence. I listen to every outside the box.

The latest episode, which is available right now, features former NFL commissioner, Paul Tagliaboo. So you listen to the episode as well. Yeah, I have to download it. I subscribe. Talking about the massive innovations both on and off the field that helped football become America's most popular sport. He also talks about how the opportunities and challenges the league is faced

are similar to those faced by businesses of all types. Listen to listen along on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, Spotify or whatever, or wherever you get your podcast outside the box. Not to be confused with outside the tiny box. Yeah. Which is Colleen's sub-a-pod. It's like a documentary on her life. New podcast coming out soon.

What's going on with the heat and light podcast? It seems like it's been a little. Well, Connor left the company. The lights were switched off. It wasn't switched off. I would say it's in general more of an off-season type show. The city turned off the heat and the lights. Yes, they did.

No, what we'd like to do is keep people on their toes and have an episode pop-up when we feel like it. And at this point, people probably think, oh, it's been canceled because there's not been an episode in three months. You really lull them to sleep. And then an episode pops up in, like, mid-June, and they have no idea what's out. It'll be a pleasant surprise when it. Yeah.

Well, and Greg will continue to not listen to it. I mean, while we're here, the throwback podcast, we have comedian Nikki Glazer on this week, and we'll go through all the number one hits of 2001. All right. I like that big year. Let's do some news. This is a film about Mexico Just a couple bros

Just exploring Tahiti Watan So who knows Gonna have some fun Gonna see a good tiger I'm gonna make him out to be a big ass liar You're going to Mexico Hmm That was

We should say who that was That was That was Julianette gentleman and Danny Amandola in some sort of promotion for this Sunday's Raiders game, where I guess they went to Mexico. And that was basically the dream assignment of our old producer, Loose Cannon, who was still helping us on the pick-a-man. I mean, imagine if she was on that shoot.

Watch out, Danny. Yeah, I don't think she'd come back. That's what I'm saying. She is quite a thing for Danny and Dola, who appears to, that's two privileged right. Well, it's, you know, two privileged Caucasians traveling across the border to express themselves. That's exciting. Dan, I know you're not a Patriots fan.

What are you feeling about what you just saw? Way to pivot there, Mark. I never did the cross-the-border trip. I kind of wish that I did with my buddies. Any border? I cross some borders. Okay. You famously not into leaving the homeland.

I love it here. I love this country. Even with all the struggles we face, it's the best damn country in America. I would like to hear the song that you guys would sing if you went to Mexico. Best damn country in America. That's the only thing I know. All right, let's do some news.

Let's get on track. Jesus. Sean Lee, oh, my goodness. The Cowboys are dealing with some stuff right now. We saw what happened without Tyron Smith, without Zeke Elliott on Sunday against the Falcons. And now NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport reported that Lee, the team star linebacker, unlikely to play in week 11 due to a hamstring injury that forced them out of the loss to the Falcons. And this is where some bad luck comes in with the schedule.

the Cowboys have three games over the next 11 days. So with the nature of this injury, it's possible that they lose their most important defensive player, Colleen, for three games. The team's playing on Thanksgiving against the Chargers. They're playing the Eagles, too. And they got the Eagles. I mean, so bad timing, no Sean Lee, no Zeke Elliott.

We don't know if Tyron Smith will be back for their next game. A lot of adversity all of a sudden. Yeah, and they're five and four. And we saw how it played out without Tyron Smith in there. I mean, Adrian Claymore had a crazy day. So the fact that when this offensive line was already sort of having some issues running the ball and run blocking, and now they can't really pass protect either, it's not good for the Eagles or it's great for the Eagles. It's just not good for the Cowboys right now because that defense, when Sean Lee is in there,

it plays so different. The fact that they had David Irving back and Sean Lee back, they were really. really good. And this is when they need those guys. It's when they need the defense without Zeke there. Yeah. Our pal Damashek talks about Jenga pieces on teams. How about take three off the Cowboys and see how the rest of the season goes? I think it's

pretty easy to argue Tyrant Smith is more valuable to that team than Zeke Elliott. I mean, Tyrant Smith's going to the Hall of Fame most likely as a left tackle and just the drop-off at that position is massive. Because if Smith is in, you can block well enough for whoever the running back is. And you could even argue Sean

Lee is just as important to the defense as Zeke is to the offense. Now it's time to manage the schedule. I mean, it's going to be tough to beat the Eagles. This is a team that we've picked on over the years, the Cowboys for being thin, for having a lot of star power up top and not a good, you know, backside of the roster. We'll find out. But you've got to win two out of those three. You got to beat the Chargers and the Redskins. Maybe you lose to the Eagle. You get out of that seven and five and you're in okay shape. You're in okay shape. That Eagle's game is tough. It's the schedule. It would have been such a great game. And whenever this Zeke thing hit, it would have been a rough

patch, but I mean, you could see them being out of the playoff picture realistically by Thanksgiving night. If they lose those. That's what I'm saying, yes, if they were ever to drop those. I mean, I love the Jenga theory from Shek, and the reason I love it is because if you know the game, if you take three key pieces from your Jenga tower, what happens? It crumbles. Falls to the ground.

Any child knows that. A very highly competitive NFC. The three most valuable players on the team other than Dak Prescott. They can't lose three games in a row. I mean, it's just not. They need to figure out a way to get by. They can't go one and two. The NFC is too top-heavy.

They can't go one and two. I think they're in deep trouble now. First of all, I'm hopeful, I'm sure Cowboys fans are the Tyron Smith returns. I think they are hopeful of that. I think they could beat a Redskins or a Chargers team. Doesn't mean a lock, but I think they can. All right, let's move on. Talk about the...

who are in a bad, bad place right now. They got blown out at home. two weeks ago who blew them out two weeks ago or last rams the rams then they go on the road and they get blown out by the previously winless 49ers and yeah

it looked like some of those players cough cough cough janearse jenkins cough cough quit on their head coach and on their teammates and it's just a bad look all around for the Giants who were 1 and 8 there was a report that floated out there from pro football talk that McAdoo

Ben McAdoo the coach could be fired as soon as this week after the performance against the 49ers but less than 24 hours after that lost the team's owners said they'll wait until the end of the year before determining if they'll make changes here is the statement from the Giants Ben McAdoo is our head coach and has our support we are in the midst of an extremely disappointing season this is coming from John Mara and Steve tish of course our performance this year particularly the past two weeks is inexcusable and frustrating while we appreciate that our fans are unhappy with what has occurred nobody is more upset than we are he went on to add that the plan is to do what they always do and they don't

the giants don't do things like fire coach in the middle of the season there's usually not a lot of like fireworks around them like that but it's very clear after you read the statement Ben's gone. He's gone. Yeah, they're not a reactionary bunch. They won five straight games, so it should be insane. No, but it's just like, they're saying that it's not going to happen. It's just saying.

You can say that anybody, these giants are not winning five straight games. It's amazing, like, that this was a team that was so touted in the off season, and now this is where they are. And you see all these reports that, like, you know, the players, they've clearly given up on McAdoo and the team. But, I mean, Macadoo is still saying. things like their plays were capable of making and the desire to finish just wasn't consistent.

They quit. Someone made the point last night. I think it was your producer, a fine man, Jason Hartilius. The difference between Adam Gase and McAdoo is like, Adam Gase, when he recognizes there's a problem. McAdo pretends that nothing wrong is happening. That just like, oh, everything's fine here

when it's the worst season in 30 years for the franchise. Yeah, that doesn't work. There's a huge disconnect between McAdoo and the press, and in New York especially, that's when the chips start to crumble. And that's, yeah, that's why I thought he was in danger even before these two weeks. Sometimes the- You were ahead of this on, ahead of some people on the stage. Yeah, sometimes the fan base and the newspapers, the tabloids specifically, start to smell blood in the water, and then these things snowball. So he was already, I thought, in a lot of trouble. And then these last two weeks basically did him in because now there's a mutiny of foot.

At least that's how it's viewed from the outside. At least suspended two of their best players for different teams. Right. And those are the players that are getting questions. It's unusual. And the fact that the ownership felt the need to make this statement, that's not even very giant-like, but it just tells you how bad things have gotten.

This is, like we talked about it a little bit on Sunday, this is, you have to go back maybe 40 years to find the last time the giants were in this much danger. Can I say one, go ahead. I was going to say Bob Glover, who does a great job at Newsday. The lead to his column after this statement is it's impossible to overstate the significance of where the giants are out right now, saying it's really a crossroads in the club's history that he goes back 39 years in terms of when they last bottomed out, when they last truly cleaned house. Because if you look at it, even Reese was the last hire of George Young, their old general manager.

So it's been a succession plane where Young chose Ernie O'Corsi. He had hired Reese who had chosen Reese, who had chosen Reese. And it's like this goes back decades and decades where they've had continuity and now might be the time where that all kind of end. They're top three in terms of continuity, if not one or two. But I am sensing a little bit this week and it is annoying me. This, oh, the Giants fans have really had to endure a tough season. Wait, now you're spinning this to the Giants. No, I'm a little annoyed because what you just said.

Just state what you just said. They have to go back to the 70s for the last time that there was disorganization and upheaval. That's four decades ago. You've been to five Super Bowls. You've won four of them. Settle down. Giants fans, you're allowed to enjoy one season of discontent. Please, please settle down.

What's the tweet? At 1.32 a.m. Jesus, Mark. What's going on? Mark tweeted out. The outpouring of concern and attention for Giants fans, living through a down season after four Super Bowl wins since 1986 is precious. Oh.

It's cutting. Just enough. I mean, that's enough. You grew up on the East Coast. Yeah. get it. Greg will point out, and that's true, too. They had it an 11-5 season last season.

But this will be their, I believe, they're either third or fourth double-digit loss season in five years. So they've kind of been scuffling a little bit since that second Super Bowl's Patriots loss. And now they could be heading into a dark, dark-dark game. I think if you win a Super Bowl, you need to be quiet for five years. And one more thing. And I do.

And I wrote about this in my gift piece on Monday that, you know, know with all this turnover that's going to happen and the the idea that they might be starting over a quarterback and all that like let's see how these odell beckham junior extension talks play out that's a good point they have players that's the thing they have landing i love the combination of shepherd beckham and evan ingram who i think's incredible like there's there's something to work with you i don't think this is massive rebuild just like the patriots in a couple years i hope fingers crossed now the giants are facing the same issue that the jets and the brown and so many other bad teams face.

Got to identify a quarterback. And if you don't hit on that, you're in the darkness forever. What was the, in your GIF, GIF piece? There was a third pronunciation that you offered the reader. Oh, Gioff. Okay. Is that what you use?

I like that best. Well, since society, for some reason, has decided not to, like, come down hard on whether it's GIF or GIF, why can't I throw something else in the ring? What is it again? Giaf. I love that. It's catchy.

Thank you. Thank you. Interesting news, Connie, Fox out of Minnesota. Coach Mike Zimmer, is it possible? Is it really possible that Mike Zimmer could bench a quarterback coming off a four touchdown performance?

He said that he knows who's going to be under center against the Rams in week 11 and a huge game, but he won't announce whether it's Case Keenham or Teddy Bridgewater, who just came made his big comeback from that terrible knee injury. He won't make the announcement until tomorrow.

Wednesday, here's the quote from Zimmer. I haven't sat down to talk to anybody yet So I'm going to wait until Wednesday. Connie, is it really possible Case Keenum gets bench? Because as much as we all love the Teddy Bridgewater story and we'd love to see further chapters added to that fairy tale story, Case Keenum doesn't deserve to be benched, right? I guess there's a chance, but I don't think it's going to happen.

I would be kind of shocked if they did that. Just considering Case Keenom right now is playing great. Like he's not a great quarterback, but he's on fire right now. and he has the whole team kind of rallying around him. It just works. So why would you bench him if they're winning these games? You've got to just wait until something happens. I mean, you don't know what you're going to get from Teddy Bridgewater right now with this whole layoff,

even if he is getting high-speed reps. You're seeing him in practice. And I don't know if it's the right decision. When this first came up, usually that means that the coach is going to make a change, like they don't say anything. Why do you need to talk to the team about keeping Case Keenum? Since that's happened, it sounds like that my radar was definitely wrong on that, that they are going to stay with Case Keenum.

I expect that to be the announcement. I was just excited that they had the conviction at that moment to make what was an unpopular choice because of something they believed in, which is, you know, the easy thing is to keep Case Keenum playing. He threw two of the worst interceptions that you've ever seen that brought the Redskins back in that game. He has a great offensive line playing for him right now. He's got two great wide receivers. I don't think it's crazy to think that maybe they see Teddy Bridgewater as a higher ceiling and that's going for it.

I think Teddy Bridgewater is going to play. So I was just excited and it probably is the right move to keep Case going for now. I just don't think he's going to play. Here's the thing. He's going to play this season. There's no way they get to, they're going to give him a chance at some point. Why do we assume that? I really assume they want to see him, not just because of the contract.

but because they ultimately believe he's a better player than Case Keenham. I think you know that there's future questions around Teddy Bridgewater. You don't want to let him escape without taking a look. You're trying to win a Super Bowl. But here's the thing I think with Case Keenom. Right. And I think that's why they would do it. Yeah, he's been all you could ask.

I think just there's naturally going to be a time. Teddy Bridgewater lost his job by injury, which is, you know, bad code for a quarterback. Case Keenom now shouldn't lose it after taking them as far as he had either. They're in a tough position. But it kind of reminds me in a totally different way of, when the Patriots won their first Super Bowl. And it was all, the whole narrative was, oh, poor Drew Bledsoe. It's not fair how he's been benched.

But yet we were excited about this young guy, Tom Brady. And then in the AFC championship, Bledso had to come in. And he delivered this heroic, amazing win to get the Patriots into the Super Bowl. Everyone kind of got their cred. And I think that we're going to see Bridgewater in a natural way. I don't think you just see this week with Brock and Peyton. I mean, that was obviously a little bit of a different scenario. But, yeah, like, I can see a point.

playing out that Teddy will at some point come in in relief for Case if Case is kind of struggling a little bit. And then at that point, the next week, he would be the starter. But I think they got to wait until that happens. I guess my point is I can totally see Case Keenham regressing a little bit at some point. He's playing maybe above his head a little bit right now. And if that happens, then you have a neat window. But I'm saying if he keeps playing well, I don't think you bench Case Keenham just because you want to get a look at Teddy Bridgewater for a big picture perspective about what you want to do with him. You do it because I think you're

in this to make the Super Bowl and if they made the decision, that alone would kind of make me give it some credit and give them some conviction. To me like keeping Case Keenam is kind of running the ball on third and eight late in the game. It's like the safe thing to do.

This has been what is maybe the best coaching job in the year. Like we're saying that we have better information than them. I think Pat Shermer has done a better job with that offense than maybe any offensive coordinator in league other than Sean McVeigh. So if they really, he's doing the great. It's very creative.

They're getting guys open. The players around case have been really good to. And if they believed in Teddy that much, I don't know. That seems exciting. No, he's also just worth noting he had a type of knee injury that affects players. Dante Culpepper had a similar injury. He's never the same. He also hasn't thrown a football in a real game, what, in like almost two years.

So you are, there's some risks that come with. It's a totally unusual. You're certainly taking risk, but I wonder if it was like running through their head last week on one of those Case Keenham fly ball deep shots, which Adam Thielen came down with. But while that's in the air, is Pat Schumer thinking, hmm, I got one of the better deep ball throwers that, you know, were drafted that year. He's looking good in practice. I just wonder if that's going to happen. I think it will work itself.

It's going to happen ultimately. Finally, Martellis Bennett, we didn't really touch on this on Sunday, so we should just hit on it real quickly now. shenanigans. I'm calling shenanigans on everything involving and you would think oh, Dan's going to start ripping on the Patriots. I'm not going to rip on the Patriots. I don't think they did anything other than just claim Bennett.

But something is weird about this story that Bennett gets released with the Packers and they're trying to reclaim money about a shoulder injury that I don't know the specifics but he was calling out the team doctors decided he needed surgery gets claimed by the Patriots

even though he said he didn't want anybody to claim him and I guess he was making that clear and then is playing three days later and making some plays in the win over the Broncos on Sunday night. The whole thing is strange to me and I'm wondering if there's any protocol broken by anyone along the line because something doesn't

it doesn't pass the smell test. He also contacted every team and said don't pick me up off waivers or pick me up at all. I'm done. He told his agent to say that. I don't know how that all played out. Is that what really happened? But the Patriots makes it even weird. The Patriots essentially called that bluff and said to the

agent, hey, we're going to, we're going to claim them. What if there was, all right. What if the Jets cleaned him? What if Martell S Bennett's agent, you know, had a phone call at the past and said, hey, we're going to get out of this contract, come get us when we're, when we hit the open market. Well, I play. It was the Packers choice to cut him. And it sounds like maybe they were going to go after his money that they weren't.

It's hard to say. I kind of get the idea that if you're going to play through a torn rotator cuff, that that's up to the player. I don't have a huge problem with him deciding, okay, I would play for the Patriots through a torn rotator cuff maybe in the final and not for the Packers. The problem was all the social media messages where he's going after the Packers

and those two stories don't add up. Because he just can't do it any other way. Why can't you just go silent exactly and allow it to happen in a different way? Yeah, I mean, he said that the Packers doctor was trying to pressure him into playing with the injury and then he played. And he said that he couldn't say no to Belichette.

I think it was telling, it's worth noting that a ton of Packers players came out in support of the doctor and against Martellus Bennett, current players, which you just don't see too often. And here's a quote from Marty Bennett. After trying to get the shoulder fixed and getting waived, you've got that vengeance in your heart like, all right, that's how you're going to do it. Blanket. Let's go ball. Yeah, you don't get to declare vengeance on this one, Marty Bennett. That was from the Boston Herald, by the way. No, Marty. No declaring vengeance.

Don't spin this into something that it is absolutely not. Enough for that. Enough of you, Marty. All right. That's what's happening in the news. It is time now. Oh, yeah, shoulders of greatness presented by Head and Shelters. Listen, how does shoulders and greatness, how does that advertising campaign tie into Thursday night football? Mark, take it away. I will. Am I supposed to discussing shampoo?

Okay, I was going to say, I didn't have a lot of shampoo. hot tics there do have it in my bathroom use it occasionally anyway uh here is the matchup it is the pittsburgh steelers mark against the tennessee tight tunes a very good afc uh hell could be a playoff preview uh i know you mark i know what you've been saying on this podcast you have been less than excited by tennessee the football being played there despite their good record so this feels like a major put up or shut up game for them they're on a four game win streak and those wins are against the cults, Browns, Ravens, and Bengals. Four teams, I do not respect this season for the most part.

And I think the four-game win streak is a tad fraudulent. That said, you took care of business. It is a good match-up. I think if you're the Tennessee Titans, it's the same thing we seem to say every game about them. Go prove it. You've done it over the last week. Prove it.

You can't ask to do more. I mean, you're calling them the Titans, do their six and three. No, but I'd say if they, if they, I want to see them, A, play Pittsburgh close. I'm trying to do this while Dan is issuing his face. It's going to freeze like that. Hey, you believe in us? You don't believe? Well, prove it.

Tell me one thing about the Titans. Is that your impression of your inner id? This is the worst part of Dan Hansis that he's impressed. Well, that's Damashchek's, you're doing Damashik's impression of you. To throw in some pizza references. Yeah, for sure. So this is their Prove it game, you're saying. I mean, if you want to be talked about as a playoff team and it's a playoff,

preview, then a playoff team would go into Pittsburgh and they would make this a game that goes all the way to the end and it's fascinating. Because Pittsburgh's not unbeatable. If this is some Pittsburgh romp, the Titans to me are just another team cascading on a river to nowhere. Wow. It's amazing how much, and it's somewhat to their credit, how high the expectations are. It's still like processing a river to nowhere in my brain. Well, there's always two or three playoff teams like that. They're just, it's, yeah, we get it. You're going to play a playoff game. and none of us believe in you. Don't be that team, Tennessee.

Well, we liked them a lot last year. No, I like it. I'm just, it's so big, it's such a big image that I'm struggling to. You painted it beautifully. Well, well done by you. Well, you were getting over your, I tried to prove it to you that I could come up with something for you to.

Because a river feeds into, what, an ocean, right? Sure. That of these things work? I mean, if it's water, yeah. Some major body of water. Go on. Go on about what? I don't know, whatever you were going to say.

They have, the Titans defense is the thing I'm watching in this game because they've faced a terrible stretch of offenses. When you said those four names, like what really stuck out is like none of those teams can move the ball at all. And so this is the Titans defense we had a lot of questions about. They look a little better statistically now after facing that. Now you've got to face the Steelers team, which on paper should have a good offense. And yet when you watch them, that Colts game was a microcosm of their season

where there were so many open plays that they had that either Rathusberger missed or Antonio Brown dropped one or the timing was off with one of the young receivers. It's like these plays are there for the team and they're not making them. And Joe Hayden, he's going to be out for this game. I don't know if... Out for possibly the season.

It could be his little as three weeks, though. Well, it's non-surgery. So, yeah. Right. Mike Mitchell, I mean, he's banged up. So you're looking at some key guys, really, for that defense. It's been really improving.

Marietta was running last week. and I think that totally changes the Titans almost as much as Cam Newton running changes the Carolina Panthers. Derek Henry was getting into the mix a little bit more. They held the ball for a while. I think you could feel good about that.

There's a little bit of a revenge game factor here with Dick LeBoe going up to Pittsburgh. Watch out, get some revenge. Dick's too old to get, like, worked up. And we've been hard on this Titans team. If I was a Titans fan out there, I kind of would, my response would be, hey, hey guys, we won five games combined

between 2014 and 2015. We were worse than the Cleveland Browns. We were the worst team in the league. Give us a little bit of something. Here's the thing. They have come a long way, and if they can get to 10 wins or something, it's like they have made some serious. You say we've been hard on them, but we praised them.

We overpraise them last season, and they didn't fulfill it. They disappointed us, but they had an identity, and especially when Marriota is running an identity, the line has not been the same as year. And I watch that offense and I say, what are you about? The line's going to be a problem on Thursday. The line has not been good, and they don't make sense if they don't have a good. If what you're saying is that we should be giving that this franchise credit for not being one of the worst teams in the league anymore,

okay, here's a lollipop. Take it. But we're being told that the Titans should be viewed as like a real AFC contender by you, specifically. You've been pumping up the Titans for two years, if you want to direct people involved. I did last year a lot. I did as well, last year. Anyway, do you think the Titans are good or not?

I think they're okay. I think they can get better. Like, I don't think they've been good this year. I guess my point is, like, they have climbed out of that darkness, and they've done it in a pretty steady win-loss fashion. They went from two to three to seven or eight to now they're fighting for the playoffs. It's like, if I was a fan of their team, I'm still pretty happy about where they are. They're fighting the playoffs last year.

Yeah, they have a good GM. There's a lot of reason for hope. I think what we're saying is we're not saying, oh, we don't think you're a good team. It's more like, we don't sit around for years in this. You're halfway there. You're a wildcard team that gets axed by a better team. You've done two years of good progress. Take the next step.

This is a great game on national television to change. We change our thoughts about these teams on recency bias every week, especially based on national TV games. Change our opinion of you by Sunday night. And I'm not that angry, guys. That seemed like you were pretty calm. You know what? I want them to.

to become better? Like, they're a fun team if they could be. I watched them yesterday. Again, not blown away by the performance. Again, nice job of Marriota, leading them on that last drive. DeMarco Murray made a play to get in the end zone there. And congratulations on being pretty good. Okay.

But are you actually worth a damn? Are you, are you? Because the titans, I have doubts. I have doubts too. The titoons fans that come at me. It's always about respect us as like a really good team. All right. So, yeah, it is a prove it game right now.

But I'm not ready to do it. And you know where I come down on this, I'm so not ready to look at the Titans as a team that can go into Pittsburgh in a big spot on the road with the lights on and deliver a performance. Get out of here, Titans. I'm locking it up with the black and gold. I love it. And on that note, by the way, if we want to talk about Pittsburgh,

you're the number one C in the AFC right now. You want to be talked about as a true Super Bowl contender. You need to take this Titans team and beat them by 20. points at home. And the Steelers don't run the ball better. I mean, it's the second straight game. They haven't been able to run the ball. They're averaging 2.9 yards per carry.

Like that was awful. They need to. And the Titans are good against the run. So that's going to be tough. I feel like this Dan lock last week really shook him up, that he locked the what was maybe the most one-sided game of the year up the wrong way, that now he's showing kind of zero human courage. If you're going to give me zero human courage on the titan angles.

I mean, they're like a touchdown plus underdog here. Who's thinking the Titans can win this game? A lot of people probably. I mean, they're sitting there. You got to get back on that win streak. I'm just saying they're a much bigger time underdog than the game you said I was showing zero human courage. So I'm just pointing that out. The Steelers were down 173 to the Colts last week.

Right, but they're at home. They're one of the best teams in the league. You know, take your precious titoons, pick them this week. I would never pick them in this game. I wouldn't say you put yourself. in a Joan of Arc scenario here. But it's, you know, you're going to get back on that way. I'm just saying you can't dish it out if you can't.

You said zero human courage last week with Titans Bengals. It's like, that's a much closer matchup. It's too kind of. This is my favorite subplot of the podcast. In your mind. Right. Well, in. Because your opinion, Greg, you're just going to shock you.

But the point spread. It's not factual. But there's a way to, we actually did it last year. We would measure it. It had to be under a certain point. This game would not be under that point. I don't even know what a point. That is, by the way.

You keep bringing What is that? I don't know what that is. I'm just saying. What? You think, so you think I shouldn't be able to lock up? I'm saying then don't throw out the, you know, let's get into zero.

I thought you didn't care about this. Because I kind of feel like you care about it a lot. I feel like everybody kind of cares. Yeah, I just want to clip this off and watch it on the loop in my house all weekend. This is the best thing that's ever happened. Dan does not like anyone ever coming at him the same way that he comes at people. It's like, okay, this. I do like.

Like, of course the Steelers are. I guess I just respect people more that aren't in last place in this competition. So if it came from somebody else, maybe I would hear it. We're playing for next year. We're going to get that draft pick. It's going to change everything. I really feel almost tested to do another lockoff, but I think that that's, I got to keep my win streak. Are you going to lock one game or two games this week and then pick the team that won, one other note?

Dan's all fired up. This is amazing. I know. This is why. Oh, you take it. You want a decision you take it. I learned. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I learned, I mean, where's the, you know, the shout out of the servant. I learned early. In knowing, Dan, don't ever, don't come at them. It's not really worth it.

It's not really. All right. Well, that sounds like a coward as well. Yeah. Well, it's just not. Are you done talking? Let's go. Anyway, here we go.

Finally. Do you have to go, by the way, Connie? I do. It's that time of the week where I just leave in the middle of the pod. Well, we did. And I have to unplug her computer. Here we go. Oh, hey.

Look at that team. The shoulders of greatness, by the way. Thursday and a football preview. I think head and shoulders got a meaty sponsor. concert segment right now very meat yeah very meaty um we are uh saying goodbye to connie fox goodbye guys you have a production meeting to get to i do you're actually going to be late for you but i know i know they're very serious about schedule that meeting um finally before we go we wanted to bring something back the um yeah our listeners do such a nice job they do uh leave reviews for us that leave

the stars and what we're going to do starting today is highlight one listener who leaves a review and they are our iTunes review of the month winner. What do you win? You know what you just did here? You know how we used to do this all the time

and we got a little bit too much for us? You just use my TNF theory here where you strip it down to it happens every once in a while and it becomes special again. Okay. I like that. I like that. It's special now.

It's very good. Here we go. This is, I went through them, and there were a lot of good entries, a lot of nice things said, some not so nice things said. But this one particular review from Angelino, 99, really got to me. Four stars out of five. And I want everyone to listen to it before making judgments. Don't be sensitive about it. Like Greg just got very sensitive in our last segment.

I'm prone to that. I was the one that got sensitive in that last segment. I want the listeners to note that I was the one that got sensitive. Yeah. So, you know, Greg, keep it together. Dan took it all in great humor. Greg, again, keep it together here. What we're going to hear is constructive criticism.

Hmm. Okay. Here we go. I think Wes probably wrote this, but here we go. Angelino 99. Good podcast, but capitalized. Okay. Four stars out of five.

So far, the best NFL podcast I've heard, but it's still somewhat frustrating. Some criticism intended to be constructive. One, a little too much cutesy banter, even though it's less than on other shows. This show won't help. That's fair. Please just talk more about the game.

There's more than enough content there. Bullet points up front are preferred than a little conversation. Are you writing to that much? Bullet points. I have no idea. Two. Or oral bullet points. Use the team names more.

Please use fewer pronouns, Mark, pay attention this, like them and they. Personally, I don't remember every player's name in the league. This should be easy to do without dumbing the analysis down for the geeks out there and we'll bring in more listeners. Example, they should have played so-and-so more often. Who are they? This point actually may be higher on my list than number one above. Could easily edit his copy here, but... Yeah, I think pronouns are always used after you.

you mentioned the name first. We've set the table. I would say listen a little closer. Use of pronouns actually makes it hard to follow the conversation. All caps now. Use team names. Three, sum up the analysis at the end of each section. Are we encouraging this guy by making him the special guy of the month?

About a particular matchup. I had to listen to one matchup three times and I still don't know ultimately who the speakers think is going to win. Yes, someone will quote, lock it up sometimes, but sometimes just the opposite will happen. That was the start and finish of the review. I mean... That's the review of the week.

I'll echo what Greg said. Month. Year? Decade. Yeah. I mean, the pronoun comes after we've set the table, typically with the team name. We would never say, like, they are winning a lot without having mentioned that the Panthers are the team that we're talking. I may go pronoun heavy just to agitate Angelo 99 at this point. He is a problem. All right.

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