NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Patrick Mahomes Gets Extension and Corporate Goodbyes at the End of OTAs

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue get you caught up on everything you need to know from OTAs around the NFL including Patrick Mahomes getting an extension, an update on Alec Pierce's availability for the Colts , Aaron Brewer getting an extension with the Dolphins, OTA check-ins on the Raiders, Texans, Packers and more! Plus, Gregg and Jourdan give you the corporate send offs for the Ravens, Eagles, and Cardinals as they end OTAs. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. I got a couple of wheatberry walls on this show. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm with Jordan Roderick. He's joined me on the other side of the west side of Los Angeles, wrapping up the week with some news. Half the teams in the NFL are done for the off season. So we'll recap what's been going on at mini camps.

I know we've been wrapping up each week with our NFL Daily 32 ranking series. That will be back next week and continue. on through the summer. But while we got men talking football at a podium, Jordan, let's just do a little bit of that today. One of the big cells for me filling in on this show was that you told me it wasn't going to be a ranking show. So it's great music to my ears.

I know you don't like that. But yes, we've still got some big ones to go. Wide receivers, quarterbacks. That's coming up in the future. For now, we'll talk about a guy that will be very high on that quarterback's ranking show, but maybe not number one, because Patrick Mahomes might not be ready for week one,

and we're only talking about 2026. The Chiefs are not worried about just 2026. They're thinking all the way to 233. What will we be doing in 233? Who knows if Patrick Mahomes actually finishes out his contract that he just signed with the Chiefs? He will be still playing for Kansas City. They extend his contract two years.

The total remaining years on the contract, eight the total amount of money, little over $500. Million, Greg, million dollars. No, I think it's just $500. They're paying them about like $48, $49 per season. They've been restructuring this every year practically since they sign it. It's like they go to the bank and Patrick Mooms just helps him out. He was falling lower and lower on the average salary.

And so they needed to do something about that. And yet, I've seen all. this like reporting on this deal. It's like this is crazy that it's a half a billion dollars. Like, of course, if anyone's worth it, it's Patrick Mahomes. And my biggest takeaway was just like, man, Patrick Mahomes just signing another team friendly deal for for the chiefs. He is, he is just that guy, whether he wants to be or not, that's just like kind of helping them out with their salary cap, despite all the money in this deal. Yeah. And I think we had a new cycle, I believe, last offseason as well, or the one before that, that he was poised to become the first like half a

billion dollar quarterback. So this is not new. This is good business just by the chiefs. And obviously for Patrick Mahomes too, because this can help them not only have a set number for him for while they, you know, maneuver what their roster is going to look like this season and beyond. My colleague, Jesse Newell at the athletic is reporting that the cap number in 2026 for this contract does not change at all. So helps them in the short term. They have very, very limited on cap space this year and there are areas of their roster that are a little bit top heavy, just in terms of probably turnover coming. So this just helps. This helps them. Like, I like how you put it at the bank of Mahomes, because that's exactly what it is. And yet, to be fair, the new money on the deal,

which is only two years is $239 million. So the new money, like, that's $115 per year, but they had to do that to make his average go up enough to pass DAC Prescott. So he's, you know, in the, now he's in the 60s in terms of average. When I say that it's friendly to the team in some ways, it's because obviously as the years go on, this will, you know, decrease. But more of that, if you have him signed up for eight years, like they will just control the rest of his career.

And that's fine. He is fine with that. He wants to be achieved for life. They'll very likely renegotiate this in three or four years as long as he's playing at a high level. And his interesting note, he's got the first four years of this contract guaranteed. So it's not quite Deshaunuchamp.

Watson's fully guaranteed contract. But in terms of total years, it's four-fifths of the way there. So that is a, you know, quote-a-cook concession that the chiefs made, giving him an extra year or two fully guaranteed that even the best quarterbacks haven't gotten. And so that's nice. But this isn't changing my world. It, you know, what has changed my world, Jordan, is just seeing all the AI social posts. Very annoying.

Like the quotes coming out from the team and the GM. and everything about Patrick Wilms. It's all in the same format. I keep bringing this up because, like, I got invited to, like, a fifth grade party this week. And then I see different players camps getting put out, and then teams putting out their training camp schedule. And they all look the exact same, and it bothers me.

Like, it just annoys me. Yeah. You all look the same. We know what you're doing. We could do an entire separate show on the vampiric effect on creativity that AI is having on our society at large. and also the dwindling AI literacy that's having in effect on our society at large. That's not this show, Greg.

No. But yes, I could stand on that hill and shout for quite some time, I think. We keep you on your toes, Jordan, on Thursday morning early as I get ready for some middle school graduation. I don't normally talk to people at this hour, to be honest. But if I'm going to talk to someone, I will talk to you, Greg. I'm going to bring the energy to make up for it. I just don't think it's a good look that the fifth grade pool party has literally the exact same layout as a professional NFL billionaire team's plans for training camp. And they all look at they all look the exact same.

All right, Alec Pierce is our next in our news. Actually, let's hit just one or two other really small chiefs things, which is I saw that Andy Reid said the right tackle battle is totally up for grabs. It is a little concerning to me that Jalen Moore, who they gave all that money to at right tackles, like in the middle of a battle with an undrafted free agent. So I found that interesting. And then your colleague at the athletic, Jesse Newell, noted, Amari Demarcato might be the running back too right now if you're into that sort of thing. So just I like throwing out these little nuggets as they break for the offseason.

Let's go to Alex Pierce next. Alec Pierce is expected now, according to Stephen Holder at ESPN, to be out through the preseason. through much of training camp, maybe he could return late in the preseason right before training camp. Pierce talked too. And it does point out that this surgery

that he had on his ankle was really serious. It's a four to six month recovery. Do the math, Jordan. If that's one that he had had in September, that would have knocked him out the whole season. And he said publicly, this is not something that they were hoping or planning to do when he signed that big contract

for the Colts. It makes you wonder how his free agency would have gone maybe a little differently if he had had that surgery, let's say, in January. Well, and if this was more public knowledge, I find it really hard to believe that the Colts didn't at least think he had to have something done, right? But the level, like, to me, some of the phrasing and some of the vibes I'm getting from his, you know, his comments from the team, from the reporting around it, is that they knew he was going to have some sort of cleanup, you know, essentially, but then this becomes something a lot more serious. That's concerning, you

know he is one of the most explosive receivers in the NFL. And now his timeline is a little bit more tentative than it otherwise felt like it should have been or would have been. I also think it's interesting because it kind of puts him on a more Daniel Jones-esque timeline too. So maybe on some level they're looking at it that way of like, okay, we're going to get like our two guys that we paid back at around the same time. We'll just figure it out until then. Just adds a little layer of difficulty. The degree of difficulty for Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce to get up to speed. And yeah, you're right.

He said the initial plan was for him to rehab it. And they had a special transfusion and all this stuff that they tried to do that and let it rest for six or eight weeks. And then it didn't happen. And so they had to unfortunately go for option number two, which was get this big surgery three weeks after the off season started. And he signed that contract. You know who else signed a big contract?

The weight bearing while I was referring to. Aaron Brewer, the All-Pro Center for the Dolphins, gets a three-year $52 million extension. I know you're big on the Dolphins Sprint Rebuild. And Aaron Brewer, a big part of that. Yes, I, you know, I will always say weight-bearing wall because I think it's hilarious. Jeff Halfley and John Eric Sullivan call them pillars, which probably is a little bit more flattering, honestly. But I just think weight-bearing wall is funnier. So this is great.

one of the best centers in the NFL, a great story, a great journey for him. Still very underrated. I think more people are catching on him. Certainly his peers are. He was a runner up for a protector of the year, which is voted upon by like a board of current and former offensive linemen. So appreciate that he's getting a little pop there. He's outstanding.

He's excellent. And I think that, you know, when we talk about what a sprint rebuild actually is, and I know people are probably tired of me saying those words. It's not just having good players at key positions. It's having among the best in the NFL players at certain positions that lift the rest of the floor of your roster and really solidify elements of things that are very, very important to that roster,

the offensive line being one of them here. So I just think this is great. Once again, the Dolphins, whether or not they're actually any good this year remains to be seen, but that's part of it is like their roster, a lot of it looks very questionable on paper. But what you can't really question, in my opinion, is the process and the blueprint that they're following.

And so I appreciate a good process. I'm a process, girly. So I like seeing what they're doing. Yeah, and they have guys on the offensive line that they hope can get to that a level that Aaron Brewer is at. Patrick Paul is a promising left tackle. They, of course, use their first ever draft pick

in this regime on Caleb Proctor. in the top of the first round. And so they hope that they develop into those guys. The Cowboys are still in OTAs. They are not one of the teams that's breaking for the offseason. By the way, we have a very fun segment. Jordan came up with later. I should have mentioned.

Just some corporate goodbyes for the teams that are going on a break. Maybe the communication they will use some corporate lingo as they say goodbye for about 40 days. But the Cowboys still have work next week. I thought it was interesting that Brian Schottenheimer said there is a wide open competition at both left tackle and cornerback.

Left tackles fascinating because Tyler Guyton is a first round pick from a couple years ago. And the other option is one of their weight-bearing walls, Tyler Smith, who openly doesn't want to play left tackle. He plays left guard. And so he's hoping that Tyler Booker looks good enough, or rather Tyler Guyton. I'm mixing up my Tyler's. He plays well enough so that he doesn't have to play. So that is an open competition.

Also, cornerback is wide open. Duranne's hurt there. Kobe Durant's in the mix. Sharon Ravel is in the mix. So just some battles to watch. One guy who doesn't need to earn his spot as a starter is Christian Gonzalez for the Patriots, who did show up for minicamp this week, but said, look, I want to be rewarded as a member of the Patriots, and he's doing the hold-in type of thing, kind of like Jacoby Preset over in Arizona.

He is actually not working out. So just something to watch as training camp approaches. I always kind of like a hold-in. I always think that it's a little bit more passive. aggressive in a positive way for the player for a hold end because when things go wrong, they're standing there watching it, right? And just sort of receiving more validation why they should be, you know, getting paid. Christian Gonzalez is one of the best young corners in the entire NFL. There was some concern, obviously, with the injury patterns and the history and all

of that, but he should be getting paid. I don't really see a reason why they would drag this out very long into training camp, although, you know, at his level, I don't think he's, he, I don't think it would be terrible if he missed some time, like some of training camp, but I just, I really don't expect this. I would not expect this to drag on because what they have shown us is that they are willing to reward their good players. And it sounds like, you know, Mike Brable has been asked about this a little bit throughout the offseason.

And it does sound like, you know, at least there's a positive trend in that direction. It's a tricky one because do you give him Patrick Sertan money or close to it? Like that's the level that he's played. at. I think Mike Frable wanted to see it first last year, and he obviously played really well at the end of the season, played well overall, but he had those injuries. The Super Bowl played really well, too. Incredible, like, was among their best players, if not their best. But he also has two years left on his deal because he has that fifth year option.

So if you're the Patriots, they want a little bit of a discount because there's still two years left. Do you give him that monster money? Devin Witherspoon is another cornerback that's due monster money. so watching those two guys. All right, it's time for the off-season ride-along, presented by Toyota. At Raiders camp, I think it's a little concerning that Kobe Dean hasn't been out there at all.

We don't really get much injury information this time of year, so we don't know the reason for that, but he's had a lot of injuries in his career. And then, you know, who is out there is Fernando Mendoza, who is working with the twos and the three so far. I feel like everyone really got on the Jaguars back in the day for not letting Trevor Lawrence work with the ones right away. This is a different situation,

and we're not at training camp, but sometimes Mendoza is even with the third team. Let's listen to Mendoza talk about his transition to this offense under Clint Kubiak. You went through a similar situation going from Cal to Indiana, and you had to learn it in a hurry. Yes. With some high expectations at Indiana. And it didn't necessarily always start off well, but it got better and it got better.

It got better. How much can that benefit you in this transition? Yeah. I think having that experience of coming from, cow to then go to Indiana and honestly having a really rough spring in Indiana of learning. There's a big learning curve to the now, which is, I'm going to say, which now, you know, with more experience and having dealt with that transition already, it has been smoother in the fact of learning new offense, getting new information, learning new teammates, receivers,

offense alignment, and being able to take that experience and have a neutral mindset of where, hey, I'm learning, I'm growing. This isn't the Super Bowl today. This day, I'm trying to become the best version of myself so I can best serve my teammates down the road. I'm going to put on your media critic hat here, Jordan. Your thoughts of the question, the answer, the presentation right now with Mendoza. I just think that players have to really appreciate when the answer is in the question itself, honestly, because that's exactly what the question. I mean, really, he answered exactly what he knew what the answer should be for,

And he laughed a little listening to the question. Like maybe he understood that too. Well, I mean, it's like, you know, when this time of year, if you're going to set up what you're going to write about, then go for it. And he's going to answer it. He's been a quote, like a kind of a quote machine in that regard for as long as we've, he's been on our radar over the last calendar year. So this seems no different to me. I wish I had his level of energy. You know, when he first came onto the screen, his eyes were very wide.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I should open mine a little bit more at this moment. I have a question. Charmingly earnest or getting too much love for his earnest personality by some in the media. I've heard some criticism. I want to hear your vantage point here. I have also heard some criticism, but I'm like also an earnest. person and sometimes that can grate on people. I understand that.

But I'd rather be that way than cynical. So good for him. I love that for him. I hope he stays that way. Also, more serious answer to your question, I feel like this is exactly what the Raiders told us they were going to do with him. So it should not surprise anybody to see this. They literally told us this is what his progression would be.

And this is where he would start as the two, if not, you know, even further down taking some of those scout team reps, whatever. Like, he, he, they told us exactly this. So this is, I mean, not really to me. I mean, I know it's snoozy, fine, but this is exactly what they said they were going to do. Just like the question. It's all laid out for us right there.

It is. It'll be interesting to watch how it is in training camp. No, it's more. We're just trying to, you know, have different textures in the show, some different sound. And I, too, land on charmingly earnest. But I think it's fair. if people just get annoyed at some of the fanboys in the media.

Get annoyed at the media, though. Don't get annoyed at the man, Fernando, who I find charmingly earnest. You know who else I found charming? I don't really like when people get annoyed at the media either, just saying. Like, we just, everyone just be nice to each other. How about that? What a concept. Be Brazinski's.

I love that bit from your show. Everyone just be chill with each other. Some people deserve our annoyance, but not us. We're the weight-bearing walls for I-Heart Media. I hope they're listening out there. NFL media too, everyone. And that was the offseason ride-along presented by Toyota. Because when people are the destination, your ride is important.

Learn more at Toyota.com and find the vehicle that fits your people. Dalton Schultz came on our show after, you know, the AFC championship. So at that point, it was weeks and weeks removed from when his Texans went down in the divisional round. And yet he was so sad in that interview. but also just showed how much he cared. And so I've just been on the Schultz radar for some sound this offseason, a good talker. And I like the way that he talked about

how he sees his offense looking different this offseason. And I think from the new faces that we have and the new guys that we brought in, like that's the first thing that's jumped out to me is just the mindset. Like, I think D'Amico threw a few clips on in the first week of like pulling some of the O line back saying like, hey, we can't, you know, on pass block and we can't go clean

out like a D.N who's just kind of sitting there holding up. We had, you know, guys flying around trying to try to hit people. And so I think, you know, just that from that mindset, like, that's a problem that we hadn't necessarily had for the last couple years. And that's something that jumped out like immediately, like having to pull guys back and be like, hey, like, slow down. which is usually what he's saying of the defense. So to see it on the offensive side was nice. I love it. It's a little offseason tropey,

but I still think it's a good sign, which is the, hey, we're having to tell our guys to back off a little bit because they're going too hard at that Texan's defense, the O line. The game's really slowing down for them, Greg. No, I like this. He was so sad that we,

I remember we sat back and we kind of just looked at each other after the interview. And I remember Eric came over to debrief with us. And we were like, he was so sad. It was we, and I get it. They were, to me, they were, they should have been a favorite. They were one of my favorites to go all the way last year. And to be in the, in the championship game, if not close contention for it.

But I like that. I don't really mind that it's trope. I think that they needed it. And the offensive line in particular, and I think it's very specific that he brought those guys up. He's good. He's good at the podium like that. They all know that that's the number one criticism of this roster and this team right now. So to bring them up and sort of try to gas them up from afar, that's a good locker room. That's what good teammates do. We'll see if it's actually real when the pads come on. But I do like it. It shows a real connectedness to me that he's

sort of picking his spots to do good PR for his teammates. Tank Dell has been in and out of the offseason program, not doing full teamwork at minicamp, but I just like seeing him out there running routes. Nice to see. I'm also buying all. There's more CJ Stroud looks better, is playing better, hype than maybe anyone else in the entire offseason.

And I wish I had bought stock in him the other day in our buying stock segment. I would also buy stock in Colston Levlin as the tight end one in Chicago, but also just the wide receiver one. Ben Johnson this week called him the most consistent, or one of the most consistent players that he's ever been around. He's been around a lot of players, and it's just all systems go for Loveland kind of as the hub of that offense. Brandon Ayyuk, I don't think it's going to be the hub of any offense this year.

We'll see if he's even a member of the Washington commanders. I think there's some red flags about that for them, but he keeps releasing these social videos. And we alluded to it the other day, so I don't want to linger on it, but he had another one that came out this week, just saying that the 49ers were mad, that they paid him $50 million in eight months, which, you know, I don't think is going to make the commanders feel great about signing him now, but he's clearly trying to push publicly, or at least that's what it looks like, to get released.

You know who's not going to get released is another one of the great young tight ends in the NFL. That's Tucker Kraft. Let's listen to him talk about his recovery. Obviously, the Packer's offense was not the same after his injury a year ago. He is working his way back. Starting the starting camp on the puff and coming off camp, my anticipation is, you know, they don't really want us talking about our injuries and stuff. But with how I feel, I would say I'm going to get all the conditioning I need in camp

to start week one on no pitch count. I love would players do that just as a reporter because the teams are so angsty about it. He's right. They don't want them talking about their injury. The coaches will sidestep however many questions and actual, like, legitimate answers as possible for as long as they can. And I just, I really appreciate when a player is just like, I don't care about any of that. I'm just going to tell you what's going on. And I will be back.

It's a great sign. And when I saw the insider, Schaefter, Ian, kind of co-sign it, maybe like they had been hearing that too. You never know. Players are always optimistic, but that's a great sign. I noted too when we're talking just little nuggets, and the Packers are one of the teams that are wrapping up their offseason for the veterans on Thursday. They do have rookies working out next week,

but in terms of the veterans, they're basically done. That Matt Lafleur noted rookie offensive lineman, Yager Burton, working with the ones, setting in line for playing time. So they're actually still maybe figuring out their offensive line, but sometimes this time of year, I know it's non-padded work, so it doesn't mean that much, but sometimes guys like that pop up a little bit

and they're still trying to figure out like the right five for their offensive line. Yeah, I think it's, you know, we've heard some from Matt LaFleur this off season about reconnecting with the locker room, reconnecting with his offense and sort of retooling a lot of it as well. And I think this is a good personal PR move for him

with the vets because the vets want to see that the rookies have to do something that they don't have to do. And then on Yager, great Green Bay Packers Elinement name, by the way. Oh, yeah. Kentucky, right?

And that's like a zone. I mean, it makes sense. It's sort of a tell for me. It's a zone team. It's a team Will Stein is there. It's a team that does a lot of its principles that are predicated off of this Shanahan system, early iterations of it

that ran a lot of zone. And so I think, like, yeah, that makes sense. That's sort of a tell for me. You know what doesn't make sense? Me, saying his name was Yaj. Just guessing. Is it just Jagger? It's Jagger.

It's Jagger. Yager would just be so cool. We're going to forever refer to him as Yeager on this show. Jaeger. Yager. He's a rookie. But apparently he is actually. He doesn't run.

He yogs. Is Jagger, which is, you know, like named after Mick. Speaking a great word play. Kraft just dropped in a line in the middle of his press conference that I had not heard and he said look you know we haven't been he he was pretty upset about how last season ended how they keep losing he says it's no you know slight to anyone who's been here but we haven't we haven't we haven't performed well enough it you know it's it's time to nut up or shut up and i was just like oh nut up or shut up like i i didn't know that that's a phrase you've never heard nut up or

shut up no no we got to put that on a t-shirt yeah not up or shut up um he says that it he said football as simple as that. We don't need to talk about it. It's not up or shut up, or shut up time for the Green Bay Packers. It's not up or shut up time for the corporate lingo. See ya for the summer segment. We are going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to go through a couple teams that just sent some corporate jingo reminders to their players before breaking for the next 40 days or so.

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Back on NFL Daily. Apparently not up or shut up. A commonly used phrase that our producer Eric is, Eric even uses with his two-year-old. Everyone knows nut up or shut up. Now I do as well. I'm more familiar with the corporate lingo. Yeah, you've sent some emails in your day.

I'm a little removed from it now. I've got to be honest. You know, we're here. We're making shows. Eric does a great job shielding me from the shield in some ways. And we're in our little bubble. I don't feel like our job is too corporate. The most corporate thing about the job is having to,

fill out all the security videos and answer quizzes at the end of them and variety of those, like once a month and stuff like that. But otherwise, I don't feel like it's at corporate. You're, you know, you've worked for multiple corporations. So I'm really excited to see where you take this. And yes, as I mentioned, over half the league broke for the summer this week. A number of teams will be doing that next week. But for the teams that broke this week, we have just some communications going out. Yeah, I think we've all been there. I think we We've all gotten the before summer break email. I think we've all gotten the corporate speak,

whether it's on Slack or via email or G-chat or even on like some sort of PowerPoint presentation. Corporate language is all around us and even sometimes we might be guilty of using it ourselves. My first one is for the Baltimore Ravens who broke camp this week for the summer. This is a tribute of the eternally annoying. I'm just circling. back before the break email that we've all gotten.

Here's actually a really not annoying circle back that I thought was a nice touch for the Ravens on Wednesday. The coaching staff put kicker Tyler Loop out on the field with a chance to send the players off the field early, about a half an hour before practice and therefore camp was scheduled to, mini camp was scheduled to actually end. And I love the reports of his vibe because if he was going to make a field goal, he could send everybody home early.

If he missed it, you know, with with specters of wide right sort of still looming in his mind, then they would still have to practice. And according to the Baltimore reporters there, Tyler Loop walked on the field and told coaches to start packing their stuff up and like, get ready to go home, boy, is the kind of a thing. And so he makes the kick. They go home early. I just thought in terms of circling back, the way the Ravens circled back on a really terrible memory of how they're season or postseason unfortunately ended and how Tyler Loop was a key element of that to have this moment as the last memory before their summer vacation, I thought was pretty solid. That is great.

And he spoke about it a little bit afterwards too. And that's an interesting spot there. And I like it. It's a new coaching staff. And you're starting to start fresh. But man, imagine if he had missed that kick. I know. Maybe he like totally duffed it to the right. Like everything sucks then. It's like a total crisis. It is sneaky, a lot of pressure. So they must have been feeling great about what they had been seen from time. Yeah. Well, they didn't bring in another kicker.

They never did. They didn't bring in competition. So I think that helped too. The funny thing that I think about is like, so for the listeners that don't know, in minicamp and OTAs and training camp, they don't often use regulation size field goalposts. They use what are called the skinny posts. and they're about a third of the width of a regular set of goalposts. They're easier to store, obviously, for that reason.

And then it also makes it a little bit more challenging for the kicker to have to aim. So it's like the stakes are already that your teammates are going to be really annoyed with you if you miss it. And then also they roll out in such a high stakes situation, this like circus set of goalposts, which to me is like that even ups the ante a little bit more because you got to hit it through a pinhole at that. point. It's badass. It's badass. It sounds like he had the right attitude. He said he heard from a lot of other kickers who've gone through similar things. Even some kickers' wives reached out to his wife. It's like, it's a whole community. And it's easy to forget that they would have been a dangerous, if nothing else, more entertaining first round opponent for the Houston Texans didn't happen.

But now I think it worked out better for them. I think they would have fired John Harbaugh anyways, but you never know if maybe they would have won a playoff game and then that would have changed things. Because Declan Doyle, Lamar, like, it's a different vibe all the way around. And I'm excited to see, like, how that actually plays out. Yeah, I don't mean to overstate this because I think this time of year we do pay a lot of attention and sometimes too much so to vibes coming out of these OTAs or exciting reports coming out of these OTAs. But Declan Doyle, another thing I do want to circle back on, Greg.

He's giving me a little bit of Ben Johnson vibes in camp. First of all, the way that players are talking about him. Second of all, the way that he is on their asses every single day. Like, he took Mark Andrews off the field, apparently, according to reports there, for a pre-snap penalty. That was very Ben Johnson a year ago. Just remember, like, just losing his gourd, absolute mind at these practices. He got on Lamar Jackson for running the wrong play.

And Lamar was laughing about it afterward that he cursed at him. And he was like, whoa, man. okay. It seems like he's and obviously Lamar is is making light of it at the end of the practice, but he's coaching hard over there. And I think it's interesting. We'll see if he's really got the stuff that they're saying about. I've heard really good things even previous to him taking this job. But this time of year, it's always good to exercise caution about the reports of the young, you know, new hotshot coordinator or assistant coach that's that's on these teams. In this case, though, it is something I'm going to want to circle back on at training

camp. Lamar was seen in New York after the Knicks win celebrating with a bunch of Knicks fans just taking videos outside, and he's being super friendly about it. But I'm not sure if that Lamar went to the game, and he did have some quotes that was like, the floor seats, you know, were so expensive. Like, it was like 50, 60K. Not the floor seats were crazy, but even like the middle seats where you'd have to be packed in. He was like 50K. So I don't know if he actually paid the money and he was just happened to be walking around New York.

But celebrating the greatest comeback in finals history. All right. Is that it for the Ravens? Or should we circle back one more time? Just one more thing because he's, his contract is not up this year, obviously. But there is some contract talk about him. And our friend Ian Rapidport said on the insiders the other day that he would not be surprised if Lamar waited until 2027.

to really start pushing a little bit more on that type of extension. He's got two years left. Technically, he's got next year and then a bunch of void years. So undrafted free agency wouldn't be until 2028, and then there's like a ton of void years. But there's also that question. You don't want to play, you know, you don't want your franchise quarterback leading up to the last year of his deal.

And there was such an annoying cycle about that last contract. and teams putting statements out there that they're by no means we're interested in have that work out for you, Atlanta Falcons. So I just, I'd like to avoid the annoying parts this time around, you know, pay your best players, pay your superstars. But it sounds like he would also, according to what Rappaport was saying, would also be willing to wait to probably up the price a little bit more. Right.

I think this is a case, and you don't think of this for a multiple MVP winner. he's betting on himself because he knows he holds the leverage here. His salary cap number is $84 million next year. So you have to adjust that. It's 42 the year after that. So that's a total of 126 the next two years. And he's not coming off his best season.

I love this as a, if you're a Ravens fan and you're hearing this, it's a new, like everything we've heard so far in terms of the Shapes and all that, it sounds great. And to me it sounds like, I think that price is going to go up even more after the badass season I have.

And I'm going to have you over a barrel because that contract is untenable for you right now, the way it's structured in the cell. Yeah. And no contingency plan. Yes. Well, of course, yeah. There's no replacing Lamar Jackson. Yeah.

Although we do have Snoop Huntley there, which I like yelling at a rookie. I saw in one of the write-ups from your colleague at the athletic. All right. Let's go to the Eagles where we have a bunch of little things, but I actually was able to procure an email from Sean Manny and to Jay. Alyn Hurts. It's brief, but he says, before we break for the summer, I just want to say how much I appreciated you saying Tuesday that it was a good spring because you onboarded a new system.

The synergy between our run game and past game has never been better. There's greater alignment with A.J. Brown out of the building. And I love to hear that you are going to touch base offline with the receivers before camp. Can't wait to ideate on ways to scale this up after the break. Ping me when you are back in town. Seems like they're going along. Oh, my God. You hit all the bingo squares on that one.

That's great. Oh, my God. Ping me. ID8 offline was, that's where I started losing it a little bit. The alignment. There's always a lot of alignment. I tried to jam decision tree in there. That's one of the most annoying ones.

But I couldn't think of how to get decision tree. Synergy, though, to pivot to some actual points. they're trying to make some synergy between the running game and the past game. That's been the issue. I think that they've lived in these different worlds. And I listened in prep for this very five-minute segment here to our friend Bo Wolf doing a great job with E.J. Smith

on the P.H.L.Y. podcast. And they said in this off-season, they would say it's been about 80% under-center snaps for J. Leonard's, which is insane. Now, there's no way they're going to be 80% in the season. No NFL team is doing that, but I think they're working on something. And they said it's been uneven, as you would expect, they haven't had Devante Smith out there for a lot of it. Mackay Lemons hurt.

And it's a new offense. Like, I'm not really worried about how it's looking, but just the fact that they're doing that tells me they're trying to marry the past and the running game. And they said for what it's worth, which is in a ton in June, that the running game has popped a lot more than they believe it normally would this time of year. Yeah, I would just, I would also say, and obviously those guys do a great job. but as someone who's kind of watched the system be built installed from the ground up before, that's a direct setup for everything else they're going to install in training camp is getting heavy, heavy, heavy under center installs in OTAs, setting up the play action out of undercenter packages,

really understanding keywords, cues, timing of those snaps and what the play action has to look like. and then getting more a little bit more multiple gun runs pistol things like that shotgun in general as camp progresses and installing a more diverse set of pre-snap looks and alignments but you have to start when you're building this thing from the ground up you do have to start there really get that timing and a lot of those keywords down in in what you're communicating with the rest of your offense so one of the key words was maybe and I don't want to paint with a broad brush There's a few corporate quarterbacks out there who have really taken the mantle

from how Peyton Manning used to be. Used to drive Chris Wessling crazy. He believes Peyton Manning changed quarterback press conferences forever for how corporate he was. Jalen Hertz is kind of the next generation of that. Let's listen to him, find the corporate buzzword, in his statement. I thought it was a really good spring,

being able to onboard another new system and put everything together. Lay the foundation. So, you know, I'm encouraged by that. I'm encouraged by the work that we were able to put in. I've got a fun summer ahead of us, and it'll be a fun training camp, being able to get back on the grass. On board.

On board. I mean, we got an NFL quarterback saying that he onboarded. He also answered some tough questions on A.J. Brown leaving, and I thought he handled that all really well. No major headlines out of that, but my biggest headline is just the offense is going to be different, and that he seems in a very good mood was he's been defensive in the past about a lot of things, didn't think he's defensive right now. Siriani, not defensive really about the AJ Brown of it all, either, just saying they had great

times together. It's time to move on. But now they have the battle that everyone is watching. Yeah, it's Andy Dalton versus Tanner McKee. We obviously are rotating there at the two spot. I'm not ready to say anybody is anything with as far as positions. We don't have to make any determinations there, but what Andy and Tanner have been doing every other day is rotating there with the twos.

and both getting a lot of good work. Supposedly, Andy Dalton's thrown like a million interceptions. It's not, I'm not going to draw too many conclusions here. But, yeah, Bo has been joking about it. Like every other, you know, just a ton of interceptions. So we'll see who wins that battle. They also made us signing, I found interesting, A.J. Epinessa, who I had in my top 70 free agents overall available.

I didn't, I don't think, fully understand the injury issues that he was dealing with, which actually caused the Browns to back out of agreement where he failed a physical, but he's an interesting name who's provided solid rotational snap. So they added a little more to their edge depth. And now they are done for the off season. So long to the Eagles until late July. Are we ready for the Cardinals to get corporate?

Yes. First of all, though, I'm curious, what is, what's one that, like, really annoys you? Like, what's a, what's a corporate, a corporate? a corporate word or phrase that actually does kind of get grind your gears a little bit. Like the from the tree tops. I feel like that's got. From the tree tops, yes. Like I think the problem is in like the 30,000 foot view, different stuff.

I think the problem is people who use corporate lingo realize which ones have gotten overused and then they cycle a new ones. But they're always just using some. Just don't use them in general. I came upon a new one. about a year ago that really, I don't know what it is about it, that it drives me nuts.

And I don't understand why it's used in meetings or whatever. When somebody makes a point or brings up a suggestion, it's not even an argument. It's, okay, good call out. Good call out. And I'm like, well, who's being called out? That's a negative thing. This was just a suggestion.

That one drives me nuts because I just think we should say what we mean about things, right? Like, good call out. Well, that makes it sound like there's conflict when there's not. There's, you know, functional suggestion making. No, Jordan Roderick famously avoiding conflict. I've been trying to coach her up to call people out a little more. I know.

You need to start saying good call out when I actually do enter into conflict. Offline maybe actually is the one that makes my skin crawl the most because it's just you so it's so let's let's just call it life. Really upload. You want to upload offline on that? Offline presumes that the rest of life is online. All right. We're going to wrap up here with the Cardinals.

We've got a lot to talk about. The Cardinals, the team of 2025 NFL Daily that led us all down. I think the expectation is going to be a little lower this year. Yeah, and similar to you, I mean, we've done some really good sleuthing here, Greg, because I've also procured an email. This is to owner Michael Bidwell, C.C. head coach, Michael LaFleur, C.C. management. From Jacoby Brissette, subject line, per my last email.

Hi, all. Just wanted to put a final note on your desk before the break. As per my last email and the one before that, I will not be throwing live reps until my contract is adjusted. If you'd like your brand new head coach, already an underdog in the division to roll out his new offense and training camp with a rookie middle round draft pick at quarterback and not at least pay me more money than Anthony Richardson is making this year. That's on you. I mean, my cap number is in Gardner, Minchu,

Jared Stidham, territory. Your all pro tight end will get more frustrated. You'll waste more years of your young receiver's rookie contract. And what happens to your new star, Jeremiah Love, and your precious run game if nobody fears the past? You need me. Jimmy G. decided to contemplate retirement as a backup rather than join this franchise as a starter. And that's saying something, because can you even imagine the kind of damage that guy would do in Scottsdale? And are you guys, by the way, are you guys watching Widows Bay? If I don't get paid,

I'm going to just keep showing up on your sidelines looming in the distance as you try to run from this conversation, joining all the off-season memes about you all as another reminder of your particularly circular organizational curse. And unlike Widows Bay, Episode 8, the boogeyman wins this one, bitch. And I say that as a member of Team Patricia. My best to all your families and have a great summer, Jacoby.

Whoa. That wasn't passive aggressive. That was just aggressive. I could imagine if Bidwell was more conversant with the lingo. Like he just would reply like TLDR, you know. But to get to the end of that, because he's taken major shots there, Jacoby Brissette. I don't know if that's the way to approach it. If you're Jacobi Brissette, let's actually listen to Mike LaFleur, talk.

about this quarterback battle right now. Who do you guys view as QB1 hitting into training camp? Not really concerned about QB1 right now. I'm concerned about these guys all reporting on July 22nd. Really more concerned about the next 40 days

and what these guys are doing to continue. You can't take steps backwards. That's not the quarterback. That's all these guys. So literally my only focus right now is that. We don't play again until September. It is June, whatever it is right now,

10th or whatnot. So not worried about that right now. Your thought. No longer the presumptive starter, Jacoby percent. Yeah, okay. Like, okay, I'm just going to like parse the subtext there or download it, right? Like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's, and, you know, Mike's got to do the best he can in this situation, right? It's not really his call.

He's not the one signing the contract. And he wants to get his offense off the ground. I would imagine that. So he's got to say that. He has to say that. And he also has to deflect immediately from questions about the quarterback to broadening it out to the rest of the roster. Like, good job on the corporate coach being there, Mike. Learning fast.

I, you know, had my ears perk up just a little bit when he said July 22nd. They are playing in the Hall of Fame game. This is the latest possible that teams are showing up for training camp. Like, we are in the latest cycle. The season is starting the latest, except. for that Wednesday game. But that is a late first team to be showing up to training camp. I don't know if that's good or bad for us, Jordan.

We have a little more time to fill in July. But yeah, maybe look at the calendar, take a few extra days off. We're going to be taping through the dead period, but we aren't going to be living up to our name. We're not going to be exactly daily during the quiet time. But they're the first team to show up. That's when we really crank up. And most of the teams are showing up at the very end of camp.

One of the things we'll be tracking with this Cardinals team is just how they use Jeremiah Love. And he being Mike LaFleur in the middle of June where there's not a lot of news to latch on to, concerned the fantasy football community with his quotes about his running back situation this week. Just like if Steph Curry's on fire and he's supposed to get his sub, you're not taking the hot hand out. And that's kind of the same approach you end up taking with a back. Like a back, just like a basketball player or any football player can get into a rift. It's like just keep giving them the football. Like he's just feeling it right now.

It's a totally nothing burger of a quote. Calm down fantasy. If Tyler Alger is really rolling, like, yeah, there's plenty to go around for both of them. Don't worry. I mean, if there's one thing that every NFL head coach and offensive coordinator is specifically thinking about when putting together their game plan, it is your fantasy football roster. And Steph Curry, apparently.

I don't know if Algier or James Connor at this point of his career. is going to get hot like Steph Curry. I'd view that as a positive that Jeremiah Love could be that guy getting hot and they're going to leave him out there. I'm not worried about him at all. I am worried about the other Proctor in the draft, by the way, kind of an under-the-rader gem that a lot of people like, Caleb Proctor, who the cards drafted is going to be out for the season.

It was revealed, unfortunately. So those are the worst items of news. I think it was an Achilles injury. And so that's a fourth-round pick that they won't be able to get any production out of. We got production out of our, we don't like weight-bearing walls. I like weight-bearing walls. Okay, you do, you do.

We said you didn't say it sounded great, but we're trying to. Well, I think it's funny. I think it sounds funnier than pillars. We're trying to be the foundation upon which, you know, NFL Daily, NFL media podcast group is built, Jordan. I think we're doing a hell of a job. We got a big show on Monday. We have our flag football extravaganza,

you and Eric and Chris, and all the people at Flag and NFL, you've been working on this one behind the scenes. It's been percolating. And while the rest of the world talks football, we're going to talk about our new Olympic sport a little bit on Monday. So that's going to be a deep dive.

I'm looking forward to that with you. Yeah. Anytime you get to talk to future Olympians, sign me up. Yes. It is exciting. Next week, we will also be wrapping up all the mini camps for all the teams around the league. So we'll have covered on that.

We'll have some rankings, but this is it for this week on NFL Daily. Now, if we're leaving for 40 days, football's not really quite back. This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.