NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Patrick Peterson & What's More Likely?!

Episode Date: June 28, 2016

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler  – discuss the latest NFL news including the passing of former NFL Coach Buddy Ryan, the mastermind behind the 1985 Bears defense. Then the Heroes break down Marc Sessler’s new article on 'the World of Strat-O-Matic football' and jump into another edition of “What’s More Likely!?” Finally, Arizona Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson is in studio to let us know who is more valuable to the defense, Tyrann Mathieu or Patrick Peterson?Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast plays the game of throws. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room Feldwith, Here Rose, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Mark, welcome back, baby.

Good to be here, mostly. Mostly. I'm just trying to turn this week into sort of a second week of vacation. You mean a third? No, I'm just saying second in a row. Oh. And, you know, I also thought about the accusations that were thrown at me before, and I'll take as much vacation as I want.

And I actually have a lot more days stayed up. I may just take them all. See you on September 5th or 8th, wherever it is. On that point, have you heard back from any of your sparrows? I did. I'm impressed. There was no heat-seeking negativity from you guys from what I know about. Unless your sparrows let you down.

They could be lying to me. Boyce, we're there? I don't know of any. What went on your little sojourn to the East Coast? It's too long to tell. It was great. It was like gotten a rental car, drove to like four or five states, saw tons of old friends

and did not think about the workplace for one second the entire time. I had to ask Mark this morning at the commissary Dance with the devil at all? Translate. What does that even mean?

Dance with the devil. It can mean a lot of things. No, I did not. I think I was pretty well-behaved, actually. I'm almost stunned by my... I'm behaving. Speaking of... You have issues.

Well, you had to... drive a lot. You have issues. I think that was part of the issue. You kept having to cross state lines. I kept a lid on it for the most part. Speaking of the money tag, though, Mark, I know we were all sowering on Game of Thrones at the beginning of this season. You got to stick with it until the finale because the last two episodes made up for putting me to sleep

for two months. I saw the one two weeks ago. It was great. It was great. We've tried to, what we're trying to do here at the round of the NFL podcast is be the only entity or part of the NFL digital experience that does not talk about Game of Thrones because you don't have to talk about Game of Thrones

like a reference in passing like Wes just made, that's fine. We're not going to have a segment like Who's the real queen of Westero's Carson Palmer? What? Enough of this nonsense. It's a good show running,

10? Today's show shots fired. It wasn't really. It just, you know, enough. a solid show like it pre-show grade B That's it

Plus We are going to talk about Patrick Peterson No we're not just going to talk about Patrick Peterson Arguably the best cornerback in football will be in this studio And we will talk to him about all or nothing The new Amazon series which Hansom Hank, the notorious DOP,

has assigned me to write episode recaps of all eight of the episodes that are dropping at midnight on Friday. So that's my work week for the most part. But I'm enjoying. As far as assignments go at work, it's better than, you know, taking tolls at the bridge or something. Well, you must be liking it because you keep on RIM platform, you keep telling us about scenes that stand out as,

it sounds like they knocked it out of the park. Yeah, I doubt many of the people. people that your big fan base in your coal town you grew up and are listening to you talk about watching television shows and reviewing them as some sort of back-breaking labor. Well, I got out. You know, and I think a lot of people from Pearl River, they root for me. They said, oh, he did it. He got out of the town before it was too late like me, and I'm just a bum in the bar.

I love all those people in Pearl River. We can tell. I'm going down a different thing to your house, but you love them. Absolutely. The town of friendly people was the name of Pearl River, the nickname, and I'm friendly because of that. Anyway, Patrick Peterson coming in a little bit later today. We're excited about that. Also, one of our favorite games. What's More Likely. Yes, What's More Likely is back. You know, we waited for Mark to return to break out or dust off one of the old war horses of the around the NFL podcast.

And we'll talk about Speaking of Mark Sessler A new long-form banger Dropped by the Sizzler We will talk about that Stratomatic A precursor to fantasy football Sessler did a deep dive

Trying to educate Dem Millennials Yeah, it was one of the purposes But yeah That's actually the subheading right now Educating Dem millennials But before that we got to do some news check behind the glass and say hi to the Irishman. What's up, bud?

Nothing much. I, for one, missed Mark at our Thursday night softball game this week. It felt like something was missing from our team when he wasn't there. Absolutely. Mark is a great onlooker and supporter of the Shield. And I'm glad you brought that up because the Shield, everything coming together now, a 24 to 1 win over a squad that had beaten us weeks earlier, 23 to 21. So, Wes, I think we're starting to click.

and put it all together. We are clicking, and, you know, the decision to move Irishman to leadoff paid off big time. In my book, five for five with five runs scored, Dan keeps a stricter book and credit him for being three for four with an heir. Well, I actually, I don't know what's going on with Wes's book because walks are not hits. And so I call it avoiding out percentage. Okay, well, that's a different stat.

Okay. It's a different sport. Okay. But what the official scorer did do was give a credit that fourth hit. So the game ball, which went to the Irishman, described the ball, four for four, walk, five runs scored, leadoff excellence. I mean, the one thing about this team, and I couldn't have been prouder when I saw Lakeisha's tweet basically describing the romping that you dropped on this, whoever these people were. I don't even know if they were an actual sports team. A unsuspecting clown car.

Total clown car. You could see for spurts that this was going to happen with this team at some point. Now we just got to close. We got four games left. Playoffs are in our hands. If we can win some softball games. Greg cannot wait for this season to end. I love that.

I like hearing stories. I haven't been anti-softball. Yeah, you said you would come to a game. I'll come to a game. Let's make the playoffs. Okay. You'll come to a playoff game? We'll hold you to that.

Let's do some news, Irish. I want to think anything away for Jim McMahon in the offense, but we could probably do it without them. There he is. Buddy Ryan, the architect of arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL, the 85 Bears, also the defensive coordinator of the Super Bowl 3 winning New York Jets and head coaching stops in various places. Buddy Ryan passed away on Tuesday at the age.

Of 85 years, this was a man, Chris Wessling, that, you know, a lot of people loved. A lot of people disliked. But when we talk about Rex Ryan and Rob Ryan, his sons and their blustery ways, it all came from the old man, Buddy Ryan. I think the quintessential Buddy Ryan quote is, QBs are overpaid, overrated, pompous bastards, and must be punished. That defines Buddy Ryan's philosophy on football. It might not be true, but it's definitely what you want from a defensive coordinator's outlook.

And you know where the quote came from? It wasn't from a podium. That was literally in his playbook. The 1993 Houston Oilers playbook. And to me, he was the defense's answer to Bill Walsh in the 1970s and 80s that he was so radically different from what everyone else was doing and caused the game to change. He basically abolished the two running back offense. His 46 defense with the Bears led to the abolishment of the two running back offense. And it's no coincidence that Joe Gibbs Redskins kind of bedeviled the Bears during that time with their three wide receivers or their two.

They had a H-back offense. But to me, his legacy will be that he's the greatest antagonist to quarterbacks in NFL history. And that includes his own quarterbacks. Oh, yeah. I mean, his relationship with his own offensive coordinators and offensive players, I think it's carried on to some degree to Rex, especially. Oh, absolutely. A lot of things have carried.

I mean, his head coaching record, 55, 55, and 1, 0, and 3 in the post. As a head coach, Buddy Ryan is not a legendary figure. But still, there was just he was a force of nature as a personality, and that's why he's remembered so well, even if he didn't succeed at the highest level of the position. Well, in those 90s, late 80s, early 90s, Eagles teams were some of the most fascinating, exciting teams that I can remember. It's the only team, and this is largely because of Randall Cunningham, that I remember rooting for other than the Patriots. It's not like they were my team, but I just wanted to watch them.

And now over time, as I've read about these teams, like I just think they're one of the most fascinating collection. of characters and buddy Ryan was the one leading the way there and then you have jerome brown and reggie white and of course cunningham and set joiner and just there was a lot going on there and i thought mike tannier of um bleacher report now who grew up in philadelphia at the time those teams mean a lot to people who are from philadelphia for teams that never won a playoff game like that team was just rebellious like to that to a lot of people growing up i think in Philadelphia, that team typified rebellion. So even though they never won a playoff game or came through, it was just like everything that town wanted a team to be.

That team also, and it's all those teams from the 80s that if you didn't win a championship, if you didn't go to the Super Bowl and dominate someone, a lot of those came close type teams are forgotten. And the Eagles, there would be certain Monday night games against the Cowboys or other NFCE-type teams where they would drop such a hammer on them. And the Eagles looked so dominant for stretches, a lot of times earlier in the season, too, and it wouldn't mesh out. Another thing that reminds me of some of Rex's stuff, but I, for all the times that I have ripped on Rex and Rob, and for good reason in my book, I do see two sons that absolutely love their fathers, their father. I think that they, they, it's so, it's such a carbon copy

scenario with the two of them, and I, you know, I feel for those guys. It's, they were with him to the end and absolutely adored him. Well, what better way to show your love than to be like your father? I mean, and they are so much like him. And I'm thinking of the great book Bringing the Heat by Mark Bowden, who's, it's one of the most underrated and one of my favorite books following a team, like that sort of, you know, inside the team. It's about as inside as it gets.

I think of that book, and I really recommend if you're interested, to reading about football to get that book, bringing the heat, Mark Bowden, who's a great writer. It's almost like a prequel to collision low crossers. Because a lot of the same sort of offense, defense, antagonism, almost to the point where you're ignoring the offense, and then the quotes that Buddy Ryan has and everything going on and letting his players be players,

it's almost like a prequel of everything that ended up happening with the Jets. The first quote that Buddy Ryan has when he gets hired by the Eagles in his introductory press conference, difference is now you've got a winner in town, talking about himself. I mean, that's that's Rex Ryan. And I do remember by my memory, personal memory is later in his career, and it was the famous Gilbride game. It was January 2nd, Week 17, and the Oilers were one of the hottest teams in the league.

I think they won 10 a row to end that season. And the Jets had a win-in-in scenario when Week 17 at Houston, of course, they laid down and lost 24-0. But at the end of the first half, in a game where Buddy Ryan's defense was dominating the opponent, he gets into it with Kevin Gilbride, the offensive coordinator for what he called the Chuck and Duck, I believe, offense, the run-and-chute offense of the Oilers of that era.

And he took a swing at Kevin Gilbride, which was caught on camera. I mean, if that happened today, can you even imagine if an offensive coordinator punched a defense quarter on the sidelines, what would happen in today's media world? But he ended up being out of the door after that season. I'm sure that played a role.

And he ended his career with two uneventful seasons in Arizona. But we should double back and just maybe talk a little bit more about the 85 team. By the way, before you do, after that game, instead of apologizing like coaches would now, he was quoted saying Kevin Goldbred will be selling insurance in two years. Yeah, there you go. But the 85 bears, it's believed to be the only defensive coordinator or coordinator of any kind to be carried off the field after a win a total blowout of the Patriots in Super Bowl 20. The greatest defense I've ever seen is the 85 Bears, and I would compare them to Mike Tyson

in his prime, where the match, the game is over in the first round, and the goal of the 85 Bears and Rex Ryan's or Buddy Ryan's 4-6 defense, named not because of the alignment, but after Doug Plank, the strong safety who would go play at the line of scrimmage, Doug Plank said the 46 basically just means we're going to get to know your backup quarterback today. And that's what they did. They knocked almost every quarterback out of the game. And that 85 Bears team for all its Super Bowl shuffle and Jim McMahon,

I mean, the defense is the reason they won that Super Bowl, what they did that year, and at the end of the America's game, which they were playing down in the office, because obviously Ditka, you know, who inherited Buddy Ryan, and they did not get along, and he did not have control over half his team, basically,

and there were all the factions we've mentioned, but Ditka acknowledges at the end. He said, you know, I never went and won another Super Bowl. Buddy Ryan never did. Had we stuck together, what could happen? And Bears fans still to this day have to wonder, could we have won another two maybe? Because there were teams that were 14 and 2 coming out of Chicago

that couldn't close it in the playoffs. Buddy Ryan with Ditka for another two or three years could have been very interesting. I think we have some audio from Dicka there. How many Super Bowls that I win after Buddy left? now how many did he win after he left me none so maybe we were better together than we were part they hated each other too they were they were famous for squabbling and to the point where it was in uh dicka's contractor was there's contract language where he wasn't allowed to fire buddy ryan

uh buddy ryan would throw erasers at dicko and he would come into defensive team meetings i mean this is stuff and you know mark you get on on rex and robin a lot of people do we probably would had similar feelings about buddy Ryan if we were covering the football back then but now you look back and he just seems like this this iconic class and this amazing character but man what a what a career don't you think by the end of his career though people were starting to tire of the buddy Ryan right the area the Arizona the Arizona tenure was forget the whole thing was about was kind of like the first year has been in Buffalo for Rex I mean it was not a pleasant experience for anyone in that organization. But you said it. I mean, what a career in terms of spanning that he was

the defensive line coach in Super Bowl 3 to this greatest defense. And when we kind of, we build up coordinators now as these defensive masterminds. And Chris said it, like, I don't think there just hadn't been coordinators that much before Buddy Ryan. I mean, there were, there were some that that they became the stars in terms of their game plan on defense. There wasn't that thought that the defense could be that aggressive where the defense could control the game. And he was a big part of doing that. One short Cliff's Notes history lesson to kind of put a bow on this. George Hallis, former owner and coach of the Bears, created the T-Formation offense, which took the quarterback to a position where he's a passer. It wasn't always like that. And through the

40s, 50s and 60s, Joe Namath comes in as the first $400,000 quarterback. By the time Buddy Ryan comes in, which is right around that time, quarterback is elevated to this fine piece of offense machinery, the most valuable player on the field. And Buddy Ryan's whole philosophy was, if he's that valuable, I'm taking him out of the game. There you go. Buddy Ryan, dead at the age of 85.

All right, guys, moving on. And Mark comes back from vacation. And what drops on society? A hammer. A hammer. This long form that Mark had been writing and working on for weeks and weeks, perhaps months. Weeks and weeks. Yeah. And

we even, Mark, you and I shot a video. Stratomatic is a board game that goes back decades and decades. And it was a precursor to the fantasy football industry, which now we know is the biggest thing in the world. But before any of that happened, Mark, there was Stratomatic. You have a long-form article up, which we all implore you to check out www.n.nifl.com slash stratomatic vanity URL, baby. Tell us a little bit about this project, Mark.

I came up with the idea because I had played the board game as like in seventh or eighth grade when, you know, I don't have a car. I, you know, any girl that I knew was dating someone two years older than me and I basically didn't exist to him. I love that you wrote that in the piece. Well, it's true because I was just coming into an out and outright obsession with the NFL and with the Browns. but I live so far away that I couldn't see anything about the Browns. You can only get two TV games a year. And in some football magazine, you know, in August you go out and buy all the football magazines back then, there were these ads for this board game.

And when I purchased it, I got initially like a pile of leaflets about it, and it just made me realize this is everything I want. It's total freedom. I can control like football teams, football players. The board games came soon after, and it was. It was absolutely fascinating because the way it's set up, it was not a video game, it predated Tecmo Bowl and all that for me, that it was about strategy and it was about actually replaying the teams that you loved and it recreated realistic results. So you couldn't do things with

players that you couldn't do in real life. And it was challenging. It was hard to learn. It was very hard to find other people to find to play with, but I did. And then soon after it became a computer game, a PC version, a very stripped down game, but it was much easier. to play that in terms of it only took about one eighth of the time. And then my obsession with it just took off. Then you become an adult, you move on. And I thought, well, I wonder if this thing still exists in any form. And it was like last October, November, that I found that there's a huge community of mostly aging males that are still playing this computerized version of this game. And it's become all the more complex and intense. And they've been in leagues like you would be in a fantasy

Football League for 20 years together, and they are absolutely driven by this passion and obsessed. So when I saw that it became this sort of community in itself, I started to research it and thought this might be something that I would like to write. Why do you think the community that still plays it? Why haven't they moved on to Madden, which, you know, at this stage has advanced to a level where there is real strategy and the play calling? Is there something too stratomatic where it's seen as more authentic? and how to defeat an opponent?

I think it is. I think they are different platforms. I asked that question of the people that I interviewed, and I just think it's completely two different worlds to these people. We're talking, most of the people that play seem to be in a similar demographic age-wise, probably to Wes and I. It probably would be hard to get people about 10 years younger, and they have been doing it, they've made friends,

and I think that you have to know every player in the league, and they draft for players that are just becoming good players that they think will become better rated down. All these players have player cards. They become better rated in a year or two. Like the people I talked to knew every single player. They study roto world all day. So it's a little bit beyond Madden

and certainly beyond fantasy football that focuses, the more simple fantasy football that would focus on just skill position players, it has a lot more going on than that. And it's probably way too much for certain people to handle, but for these guys, it meets their obsession right where they're at. I think the key word is obsession, and I think man doesn't crave what he already has. It's hard for anyone under the age of 35 to understand how we grew up

where there was no internet. Honestly, it's worse than that. You couldn't find information outside of your local paper. Nothing. You couldn't find anything from the other 39 NFL teams in the league. You couldn't find anything on NBA in Cincinnati. I would go dumpster diving literally for sporting news. So you could quench that obsession.

I had a paper route just so I could get the sports section of the Cincinnati Post. I feel like someone needs to Photoshop West dumpster diving for sporting news. I hear you, though. And I think that's the mindset. That's the breeding ground. I remember my brother and I invented a dice game for baseball, which is similar to Stratomatic. I think, and I had never played the game before,

and for this video that's actually in the accompanying story by Mark we played each other for 20 minutes or whatever and I clearly don't know any of the specifics and nuances of how the game works but by the time we finished I got why people would be into it

like it seemed like a game that you could just hang out on a porch on a summer night and not have any girlfriends and have a couple drinks and like just play this game and take it way too seriously I could totally see how sports nerds which you know we all are in different ways

could really embrace something like this. It was franchise mode, essentially, right? Of Madden, not that I'm a Madden player, but before that happened. And, like, that's, I mean, I didn't know about it as a kid. I wasn't as into, I wasn't that deep into football that, I guess I came across it. I did fantasy baseball at a very young age,

this thing called robot baseball, where you would send in, you know, pick your plays and stuff like that. But this, this to me, like, if I see this, I know I would have absolutely loved every second of it. And just the strategy that you need to know, you need to know the guards, you need to know plays, you need to know what plays work against what defenses, you need to know how to move players around. Like, it is more than just picking which wide receivers are going to get yards and touchdowns.

I think if you love football, it's a thing that's going to only make you love it more. Yeah, like I bought, so I bought the updated computer game and I had this little backhouse in our yard, and I was going back there trying to just learn how it's so much more complex than the version I played back in the late 80s. And I mean, I'm playing the computer and it is kicking my butt. I opened up the piece talking about taking the Bengals defense and playing Tom Brady and the Patriots, and they're just rolling up and down the field on me.

And when I talk to some of these guys who played for a long time, they're like, oh, you got a lot to learn. They're like, I happy to sit down and teach you, but you can't just pick, you have to move players around, move safeties around. And if you don't, you're going to get. waxed and I mean it was frustrating the table back there and my wife

Simone's just probably very concerned in general. Were they were they taunting? That goes beyond stratomatic. It's right. Were they taunting? You have much to learn young man? No, actually I honestly the two of the long time. Full back draw what a clown. No they were

they were so nice the people that play this and their dads their fathers they have jobs, they're normal guys. They though basically they listen to this show. They absorb every bit of football information they can to try to get better at this.

It's incredible how much time they put in. It's a great piece, Mark. Everyone really needs to read it. I know we're not wrapping up or anything, but I just want to say that. Everyone needs to go check this out. If you like this podcast, you're going to like the piece. The line that jumped out to me was the thought

of taking complete control of the Browns. And it's what Greg said, like franchise mode. I remember my sports obsession started, and we've talked about this, My dad just told me one day I was talking about the Reds need to trade for a leadoff hitter. And he said, why don't you sit down and find a way where they could trade for Ricky Henderson? And that was like, to me, the start of, I'm taking control of the Reds now. And I totally get that.

It starts an obsession. And I haven't been the same since. Yes. Uh, yes, NFL.com slash stratomatic Cessler high octane banger. Make sure you check it out. All right, very special guest here in the studio, five-time pro bowler, three-time first team, all That's when you know you're a real stud. First Team All Pro star of the Arizona Cardinals quarterback Patrick Peterson.

Welcome to the around the NFL podcast, Patrick. Oh, thank you for having me. Where do you rank in terms of greatest career achievements being in the studio right now? Top? I don't know. I mean, I don't know the roster you guys brought in here. How about great career achievements arriving here on the team playing? Man.

Driven by the owner. piloted by your owner. Is that a true story? We have a picture we're going to show of the plane. Four of the Cardinals coming in here, and Michael Bidwell, the team president and owner, piloted. It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure for the owner to take out the time of the day

and fires up here to the NFL network. It was a bucket list for sure. First of all, it's like a move that you would see on ballers. Second of all, a few things about this. So it's the ballers thing, rock would be involved you would think and then second of all like what a what a man masculine man michael bidwell is because he could own a team and fly a plane third of all are you in a tough spot patrick there because oh it's cool that the owners flying the plane but you know can he really

fly a plane like what are you going to say you know you can't say no you know i kind of i kind of felt on his um on his on his on his reference when he said uh they only been flying since i was 18 years old so i kind of felt at ease okay so if he would have been like i've only been flying since you know like 2012 but you know that's four years but he better be confident in it because he's got you he's got clayas campbell he's got david johnson and he's been there as well so okay that's the most yes okay let's get into this

all or nothing uh it's debuting on amazon prime on july first multi-part mini series documentary whatever you want to call it and uh you know patrick obviously has a big part in this as it's documenting the entire season like my dream for years was a show that was you took the hard knocks model and drew it out over an entire season

but your coach Bruce Ariens said that he doesn't like hard knocks he thinks it's too much like playing up for the cameras and getting into the roster cuts and like a soap opera but this is a different thing how is this different from hard knocks if you watch that show before I have watched hard knocks

before but you know over the last couple of years I kind of fell away from him because it always comes out, you know, in the middle of camp. And I'm not a very good guy or tech savvy of recording and going back home and watching him. But this is different because obviously, like you said, it's through the course of a season. And at times, you kind of forget that those cameras are there. And it was real, genuine emotions. You can see the humor of the football team, you know, the character that we had, you know,

the adversity that we had, the adversities that. we had to go through, you know, practicing in West Virginia, getting ready for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The ups and downs of games is just, I think it was a brilliant idea. And like you said, that was something I always wanted to see, too. How is it? Like, what these teams do Monday through Sunday to get ready for a game, how they travel. And it's definitely a great look for the NFL fans. It's unprecedented.

Like there's never been a team that was documented all season long, was there ever a time during the season when there was some adversity or if maybe you had a bad game, not that you have bad games, but where you were like, easy there, damn, get these cameras out of my face. We're trying to do something here. Like I said, it was times that we didn't feel or it wasn't a sense of urgency that the cameras were around us, you know, so it was always real

because, you know, they had so many hidden cameras so that we kind of felt at each. because, you know, you wasn't always in front of a camera, you know, 24-7 of that day. But it was a pretty cool project. Big brother watching, though. See, that would spook me a little bit. I think we have a clip of you, actually, from the show, right? Then we wanted to take a look at some of you and your boys. Let's take a little bit of a little bit.

What these guys are talking about is my role's worse. I drove it every day to work last year. Work cars. This is my work car. It's a Rolls Royce. It's a humble flashy, but he's the flashiest. You know you're tight when you can talk about each other and you're still cool. A Rolls Royce.

What's the move with the Rolls Royce? Is that sending a message when he pulled up to the backs every day? What is Humble Flashy? That's a better question. That's what I want to know. I guess that's, I mean, I don't know. That's the first time I ever heard that. But I guess Humble Flashy is from Gerard point of view,

I probably have to say, without the rims, still pulling up in, like, in sportswear in a suit and tie and all that stuff. Also, it's like, I think I get it because that's a classy car. That is almost like the classiest car in the world. So, I'm sure there are guys that pull up in the Lamborghinis and the Ferraris, and that's not humble flashy. That makes sense. You're kind of humble flashy right now. You know, you're going to be on television today in here, but you're just nice. but you're not like over the top yeah you're not pointing it out that you make way more money than all of us

Patrick your cardinals were the most fun team in the league to watch last year whenever i went to game pass first game i pull up is the cardinals on sunday night and part of that is because you and tyrant matthew it's rare that you have two defensive player the year candidates on the same team which one of you is more valuable um wow west drops a bomb in a big spot man i thought this was about the all of nothing We're talking about who's more valuable. I mean, that's a tough question because, I mean, both of us mean, so much for the defense. You know, if it's not me going on the team's opposing number one receiver, it's not him putting him in different situation as far as blixing,

covering that number two slot or that number two threat on the opposing team as well. But, you know, both of us were great access to the team, and we want to continue doing our parts to the best of our ability to hopefully get us over the top one there. What does he do that kind of makes you say, wow, you know, when he came on the team? Like, what does he do that you know? This guy's a little different. Right. And, you know, playing with him in college, so I kind of saw those flashes.

But when he got into the NFL and to this stage on this level, his ability to blitz, his ability to do a great job of maneuvering his body in the perfect position for some strange, a high reason. And the way he's able to turn and flip it. his hips as quickly as he is, and his ball skills, I believe. His ball skills is probably one of the best in the league, I'm sure. And finally, before we let you go, Patrick, you know, you're very good with Twitter beefs. And the quarterback's always beefing. And you know the people, we love the cornerback beefing. You and Richard Sherman have gotten after it.

You and Josh Norman had some epic battles. When's the next one? I feel like we're a little overdue. It's time. Who's next? I have no idea. I don't get into the, I try not to get into the beef. You know, I think it's all fun.

I think it's awful. There is something about the cornerback position, though, that I don't know what. You don't really hear as much like tight end saying, I'm the best tight end. But there is something about cornerbacks. And this started well before you were ever in the league of the different cornerbacks, kind of comparing each other, comparing themselves to each other and saying, no, I'm the best right now. I'm number one.

Is there something like about the position that you're inherently competitive with all those other guys? Um, I probably have to say the, because, you know, now the NFL is turning, turning into that passing lead. So, you know, most teams you have marquee receivers, you know, and now this day and age of football, you need to have one or two marquee defensive backs or cornerbacks. And to play to play my position, you have to be confident. I mean, you always have to carry a certain swag, you know. about yourself and I think that's what it's all about just a bunch of great guys, a bunch of great athletes, you know, fighting

and jawing for that number one spot. Plus you are better than Josh Norman. We knew that. There we go. All right. So Patrick Peterson, he's got stuff to do. He's a busy man about town in Los Angeles. Then he's got to get back on the jet and you fully trust the owner to get you home. So everything's working out.

And it's great to have Patrick Peterson here with us. Again, check him out on all or nothing on Amazon Prime and then watch him, of course, the team of around the NFL last year, the Arizona Cardinals, we love watching the cards, and we look forward to watching you again in 2016. Oh, man, we're looking forward to putting on another great show as well, and getting to the big game and winning it, hopefully.

And there he is. Patrick Peterson, Wes, you really put him on the spot there. I don't blame him for him. How do we treat our, that's how we treat our guests? Hey, look, I want some answers, but it's late June. He doesn't want to think about football. I'm fine with that. That's fair.

That's fair. I like that he was comfortable when I pointed out how much more money he made than all of us. Some things you just can own and not even feel weird about it. All right, so thank you to Patrick Peterson. Before we go, yes, it's time to play one of our favorite games in the world. What's more likely? Yes, this is a game whereby each of us take turns laying out two different plausible scenarios. And the rest of the group decides which of those options are more likely.

Sometimes we put a theme on it. This time, take it anywhere you want. Mark, get us going. All right, what is more likely? Number one, with the football gods finally smile on the Ryan twins. With their beloved father gone, Rex and Rob turned the 2016 bills into a team that Buddy Ryan would be proud of a terrorizing Reggie Ragland-led defense to go with an offense led by low-paid, forgotten quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

Slow out of the gate, the bills finally awakened to drop an atomic bomb on Jimmy Garapolo and the holier-than-now Patriots in week four. From there, Buffalo churns out one white-knuckled victory after the next, setting up a week 17 rematch with the New York Jets for the AFC's final wildcard spot. Sorry, Dan, but in a New York Day massacre, the Ryan's unleash a defense that sacks gangreneath Christian Hackenberg a whopping nine times, it's only the start as Buffalo goes. goes on to shred Denver and Pittsburgh before dropping New England 30 to 3

in the AFC championship. After beating the Packers in Super Bowl 51, Rex and Rob are both carried off the field a la Bears 85 by their players and what talking heads call the greatest Super Bowl story of all time. Okay, so not plausible, but go ahead. That's option A.

Was that the... Okay, there's another one? Yes, that's how this game operates. Or, number two, Two, after conquering the world of pro football writing, Chris Wesleyan trades in his romance with the NFL for his newfound obsession with garden gnomes of all shapes and sizes. Returning to Tybee Island, West fills his small seaside bungalow with hundreds upon hundreds of gnome collectibles.

A writer at heart, Wes can't help but jump online and become a core contributor to gnomes we know. The preeminent online landing spot for gnome knick-knack, fan fiction, and lore. Wes's weekly column, naughty gnome or nice, catches fire inside the subgenre, turning Wes into a folk hero

within gnome enthusiast circles. How do we follow that? Well, we have to answer the question first. What's more likely? That's to just end the show. Wes, I'm going to, I'll jump, oh, you go ahead, Wes. You seem like you want to talk.

I want to see what you guys say. I have an answer. Well, yeah, it was strange right after Dan says plausible for these two scenarios because Wes loves him some football. He's still that same kid that was playing stratomatic. He's not giving up the gnomes. I think, you know, this is really a shot at the bills that these two scenarios would be somehow even, that the bills winning the Super Bowl would be the same as Wes becoming the proprietor of gnomes are us. Is it called?

Nomes are us. Nomes, we know. It's a long shot at Rex Ryan, essentially. And I'm not going to take that bait. The bills are much more likely. This is a talented team. It wouldn't be that surprising if they made the playoffs. And once you make the playoffs, you know, you always have a chance.

It'd be a surprising Super Bowl team. But I don't think it'd be a surprising playoff team. The bills are more likely. I find it amusing, Mark, you continue to conflate what's more likely with Qualus 2 Fantasua. I have no idea what either game is. They are two very different games. but they always end up Qualistu Fantasia. Absolutely true.

Dan listened with some distaste there. Not distaste, but, you know, we're playing two different games here. The more likely scenario, though, Wes is not a gnome guy. It's just not a gnome guy. Well, not yet. Why do you keep trying to put us out into different careers? You had me writing a tennis blog, me and Wes writing a post-war blog. There's a lot of...

Well, this is also, I said, after he conquered the world of pro football writing, so he had done everything someone could do. It's time for me to weigh in, because you guys are being way too rough. Wait, let me answer the question. Yeah, Wes is not a gnome guy. Wes will do a lot of fun things in his post-football life, but collecting garden accessories is not one of them. So the bills winning the Super Bowl would probably be more likely,

but neither is likely at all or plausible. Okay. The answer is B. Whoa. Wes knows, too. He's got a good inside source. I don't want to write football the rest of my life. At some point, that's not going to be what my passion is.

But I have had a latent greed thumb for over a decade now. Wow. Here we go. If I have my own place, I would be a gardener. I feel like I'm reading. He's reciting something off his Bumble profile. I would be a pretty devoted guy. I like the idea of working the earth.

I like the idea of working the earth. yielding things that you've put in to the ground yourself. I like a self-sustaining economy. Wow. Save it for farmers only. Case loads. I don't know if I could get into the gnomes, but I feel like if you're already gardening, that could become the next level, right?

Sure, I think so, too. Case closed. Wow. I would go be. I don't think the bills are winning the Super Bowl, but I could become a gardener. I'm learning a lot about West here. There is a difference of becoming a gardener and becoming a crazy person that collects gnomes. That's where I couldn't follow that you would do that.

I'm not particularly attached to Gnome. I could see you like, you know, the godfather, Vito Corleone in the tomato patch with a young grandson one day. As I'm explaining, naughty gnome or nice? All right, Wes. I'm sad. You don't want to write football forever. We grow, Greg. We grow and change.

I haven't grown since I was like 12. That was sad. All right. You're up, Wes. What's more likely? Dan's son Jack ultimately abandons the jets to root for the Rams. Greg's son Walker ultimately abandons football for tennis. Who knows?

He's even on top of it to begin with, but okay. Or one of Mark's sons, Luca Colton, abandoned the Browns for the resurrection of the United States Space Program in the future. Is the space program defunct? Well, NASA is a shell right now It's still You've got a space station up there Like this

That's what you're saying It would be revived It would become what it was thought as Right You just offended all of our NASA listeners But that's fine Well, they'd agree Wow

I'm going to go Well, it's specific here I'm going to go with Jack Ditching the Jets for the Ramp Oh something negative about the Jets No I think We've hit our limit for the

show or I should say. I think all three, all three are pretty plausible. The NASA thing is so specific that, because there's, there's no reason for Luke and Colton to be a Browns fan. If they're a Browns, are you going to make them a Browns fan? You live in Los Angeles and you grew up in Connecticut and the Browns are the Browns. Yeah, it's, that's a fair point, Craig. So you never know. So I don't think, but I don't, but I think all of our sons, you know, it's very possible they could be Rams fans if we lived here a long time. My son will be a Jets fan.

I already know he adores me. He's not going to want to let his old man down. He's going to use it as a bonding exercise. That's fair that maybe of the three of us, I think you're going to push your son the most to make sure he's a fan of that team. I'll be like, who you want to. The danger, though, is, and maybe this is why I've got to join West in the garden, get a green thumb on, is if I'm going to be in some goddamn newsroom

when I'm 44 and not watching the Jets on my couch, And then Jack's left his own devices and all his buddies have their Todd Gurley Hall fame speech is ready. Yep. You know, then it gets dangerous. When Luke and Coulton were young, I'd come home on a Sunday night. And they were in San Francisco 49ers pajamas because my wife is a fan of that team. So, you know, the divisiveness has already been put into play. And Coulton actually asked me yesterday, he said, do you love football?

And I think he was seen it as an either or like someone can only love one thing. I said, no, I love you. And I also love space exploration. So I do not think that Jets will lose Jack as a fan. Tennis, that's possible. But Greg is a football man to the end. So I'm actually going to say that I could see Luke and Colton not being a Browns fan and pursuing the space industry.

Because it's in line with their current hobbies as is. I could see them potentially going down a career path together. Maybe so. And, you know. Hopefully lucrative. Well, I think the Spaceman makes it money. NASA's, they're doing well. What are you talking?

I'm saying that not the company, but if you're working for NASA, those aren't easy jobs to get. NASA is like a shell organization right now. They are doing very little. Top-level people at NASA, they're making some cash. Well, they are. Well, great entertaining, imaginative work by Kissing Cousins. I never thought I would say this, but I got to go down to the lab and get my scientists hat on.

Wow. Let's talk a little football here, guys. It's nice down here. A little drafty. What's more likely, Ryan Tadahill. What's that? Phone's ringing. In the lab.

I don't know why the phone's always ringing. What's more likely, Ryan Tannahill finally reaches his potential, goes full Dalton and is a top 12 quarterback in 2016, or Brock Osweiler lives up to the contract. drops a 4,000, 28-90-slash line that 90s is passer rating and tells his haters. What is 20? Just 20-28. Oh, 28.

Yeah, 4,000 yards, 28 touchdowns, 90-passer, and tells his haters to suck it. Well, we got to break this down. Living up to it, I think, yeah, those numbers would certainly live up to it. And those aren't crazy numbers. Heck, I think Ryan Tannahill might have had pretty close to those numbers last year. But I am going to say it's more likely that Ryan Tannahill rises to be a top 12 quarterback because to me he is a guy who is the product of his surroundings. He's a pretty good quarterback, not a great quarterback,

but for a guy that gets criticized a lot, here's what he had last year. 4,200 yards, 24 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, very similar stats the year before. He hasn't been bad, and I like the team around him. I don't love Tannahill at this point, but he's got some skills. I like Gase. I like Landry, Parker, Karoo. You know, you throw in stills in Cameron, and you've got an offensive line with Brandon Alberts healthy again.

Joanne James is back. You got Laramie Tunsel now to fill in for one of them or play guard. I think the surroundings are better, and so like Kirk Cousins and Dalton last year, I think Tannehill could get pushed up to the point where he's seen as an 11th or 12th, which isn't that far from how people saw him in 2014. seen well really yeah by the end of that people that by the end of that year people uh like the if you go look at i think the year end sort of quarterback rankings and kbr and stuff like that's the range he was in was the eli manning type of range after that year boosted artificially by a gimmick

offense that highlighted his strengths and hid his weaknesses but that that's how you get that's how you get credit and i i think i don't think he's going to suddenly turn into a great player but He throws with anticipation, that's something I saw when I went back and watched him. I think he's good. He's not great, but I think if he's really supported, he can be really good. I think the answer is B, because if you start 16 games in today's NFL, you're throwing for 4,000 yards and 28 TDs. I think Brock Oswald would have to be a miserable failure not to do that.

When we did this on NFL now, you did not drop the Osweiler stat line, correct? I did. Oh, you did. Okay. Right. Well, I think this is a tight race. I'm going to go Tannahill because one thing I'm not sure about with Miami's offense is the running game at this point. And they may be throwing the ball a lot. But also, you're talking about top 12. If one or two of the people that were in the top 12 last year kind of fade off this season for whatever reason and another one or two get hurt, he could slide right in there. I don't love Ryan Tannahill either. But I do think that Adam Gase has done a good job in each stop he's been at. And it's an upgrade coaching-wise, sort of in general for the Dolphins. And we're not asking Tanna Hill to be something that he completely wasn't last season statistically.

Right. I think Philbin and the people he hired could have been among the worst coaching staffs in the entire league. And so you're hoping that Gase and the people he fired are league average, and that's going to help you a lot. Here's one problem I would see, and Mark, you mentioned the running game, which is very up in the air last night right now. You know I'm a Lamar Miller fan.

And at the very least, Lamar Miller was a very effective back when given the opportunity last season. Sacks by year for Tannahill, which isn't all his fault, but just point to some deficiencies and pocket awareness, et cetera. 35, 58, which led the league 46 and 14, 45 and 15, the most lost yardage on sacks in the league in 2015. If he doesn't have a running game and defenses don't have to honor that, he could, I mean, this could be just a complete butcher show behind. Their line is better, though. Their line has improved. But all these young quarterbacks, some of those sacks are the quarterbacks fault. You're right.

I think Tannahill's biggest problem is he doesn't get rid of the ball quick enough. And he doesn't seem to. What separates the great quarterbacks from the average ones like Tannahill are the ability to process everything quickly and make decisions before the snap. He has not shown that he's great at that part of his game. I think that's fair. But he also has limited mistakes. I did the stats when I did the article.

since he's in the last two seasons he has thrown the sixth fewest interceptions in the league per per throw and the other people on that list are all pro bowlers they're all the best part of the reason he's eating the ball yeah that's a mistake it's how you define mistakes taking sacks that you shouldn't take as a mistake not seeing what you're supposed to be seen as a mistake not pulling the trigger on throws downfield as a mistake pro football focus ranks the offensive line no they're not perfect it's not what it's not you know end-all be-all but the dolphins were third and this is is, you know, they account for guys holding the ball or not. 32nd in the league in 2014 overall and 31st in the league last year.

So he's had some really lousy lines in front of him. I mean, I even like the potential of Osweiler, but he was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league last year. So it's like we not. One of the worst quarter, I feels a little strong. Well, they didn't give him a lot to do. I think he's just an unfit. Like, I just don't know what he is.

He's just like, no. I think it's just a lot of question marks. Yeah. I don't know, though. To West's point, if he did a 4,028 touchdowns, 90 pass, right? And that's, yeah, that's a good quarter. I know the numbers are inflated now at the position, but that would be, the Texans would be doing backflips.

Brian Hoyer had a 91-something-past-a-rated. And Hoyer is a completely, he's got his issues, but Hoyer came in with more experience at least. I just think with Osweiler, we have to see Bill O'Brien, I wouldn't have a problem with coming out of next year with people thinking just as highly of Bill O'Brien as they do of Adam Gase, depending on what happens there. Yeah, that's a good point.

I mean, Gase is a little bit of an unknown, too. I mean, just you don't know if a good coordinator is going to be a good head coach. Well, also, is it better for Ryan Tannahill to have Gase as his offensive coordinator instead of his head coach? Why are we assuming just because the head coach is there, it's going to help Tannahoo? Yeah. That's fair. All right, Greg.

All right, two teams last year, which underperform, maybe more than any teams in the league. Everyone kind of expects the Ravens and the Cowboys will bounce back to some degree because they're talented rosters. But what's more likely the Ravens don't bounce back at all this year? And by December, we're hearing leaked reports to NFL media insider Ian Rappaport that John Harbaugh's job is not secure or the Cowboys don't bounce back at all, not going to come close to sniffing the playoffs. and we hear reports that Jason Garrett is going to be let go by the Cowboys at your end.

That's more likely. My first instinct is that John Harbaugh, unless things go really bad. How bad are we talking? About the same as last year. Although that would be worse because they wouldn't have the rash of injury. But I'm saying a four or five win team for each of these scenarios. I think that's something he might have to fire some of his assistance, but I think he would be safe.

and then it would be a do-or-die-2017, I see that John Harbaugh. I think he has enough rope. Jason Garrett, I don't think is the same situation. I think especially if, you know, Romo plays more games than he misses, but they still stink despite having, you know, this hot shot running back and this offensive line and all these high-paid players. I think Garrett definitely could go. And, you know, Jera has been more than patient with Jason Garrett.

I think that if they had a really disappointing season, Jerry Jones, who's getting older, would be compelled to act. I see the Ravens as a roster that has question marks at every single position except tight end. I could easily see them only winning four games. I think the Cowboys are the clear favorites in the NFC East. I would be shocked if they were, unless another injury to Romo and Des Bryant, I'd be shocked if they were out of the race. That said, I don't think John Harbaugh is in any danger of losing.

Well, I didn't say he's going to get fired, but you're hearing some. leaked reports. If they're a four-win team, I think you're going to hear some reports. What Wes is saying, wouldn't that make Jason Garrett more susceptible to getting canned if they had a bad year? Because he has all these pieces. And if Ozzy Newsom takes a step back and talks with ownership, like, listen, there's not a lot here. He's doing the best he can. I mean, maybe he doesn't have the tools to have a successful team right now. It's kind of two different questions. Jason Garrett, probably the one more likely to be fired, but the Raven's more likely to finish with a bad record. You know, one thing about Garrett, when before the playoff year, two seasons ago,

a lot of people were waiting for Garrett to get axed at one point or another after multiple 500 seasons. You can't get him over the hump. And, you know, Sean Peyton's sitting out there, and we know Jerry Jones has a fascination with him. Sean Peyton's under lock and key now. And when they talked about Garrett in the past, and I do think it's sincere, they talked about it as someone that since he was started in the league in 1993, that they've put 20 plus years of investment into. and I would have to fall on Jason Garrett's shoulders

in terms of he's not coaching them correctly, game after game, almost losing games the way Coughlin did last year in bizarre fashion. If it's not that, I would go with the Ravens. I don't know. It's tough, though, because if the Ravens, the other situation I could see is Ozzie Newsom taking, not the heat, but if someone's head needs to roll

that Ozzie Newsom, who is at the end of a proud, long career could step down at some point and let, what is it, Eric DeCostocke, come in and maybe take over that operation. I mean, Ozzy Newsom is not young at this point, but you created a good one. I'm going to go more likely with the Ravens because they're more likely to finish 4 and 12.

Ravens are a proud franchise. You know, Billick won a Super Bowl there. He had some winning years after. He had two, I think he struggled for two out of three years, but the one in between was the one where they lost with McNair as a one seed. And Billick got canned. So I just think that's a proud franchise And another bad season would be tough for them to swallow

I don't have an answer But Ozzy Newsom by the way One of those guys that looks older than he actually is He's got a lot of age on him But his last pro season was 1990 He's 60 years old Well he's been doing this for a very long time That's all I'd say

Kind of looks like he's 80 I think he could do it for another 10 years I'm not ushering him out the door It's just that maybe it fits for someone else To take a step down We should do like top five player GM careers. Ozzie in that top five.

Ozzie's got to be in that. Oh, yeah. All right. That was what's more likely. Good job, guys. A lot of fun. That's it for Tuesday's edition of the Round the NFL podcast.

We'll be back with one more show this week before. And Irish, I know you're working on it. This is happening, guys. Starting next week, we're rolling out our first ever best of the Around the NFL podcast. Let me get a little bugle for that.

How about that? And Irish, you've been doing a lot of work on this, haven't you? That is correct. A lot. This is your chit. You're going for Mount Rushmore. You're saying the chisels, they're staying out forever. This is going to be my grand artistic statement.

Well, I hope people look at it that way, yeah. There's a lot on the line. I think he's going to do a great job. This is almost, yeah, this is your Mount Rushmore. This is it. That way you basically said. I mean, this is the thing you've been chisling. Yeah, it's true.

It's true. It gets a little complicated and confusing, but there's multiple amount of rushboards at play here. Especially because it's all your guys' work that I'm just putting together. Right. Basically what Irish has done, and he referenced our, or he dove into the subreddit around the NFL podcast, if you want to check that out,

and reached out to the audience and also spoke with us about things that we got a lot of positive feedback on, and we're rolling it out. I also, I heard from someone else in the blue room that he's actively bleeped out any comment or reference to the gold standard or Sydney. And TD. All of them gone. Brandon's gotten feistyer as the ones come for not. All right.

So, yes, we'll be back on Thursday. Best ofs starts next week. Two weeks of Best of's. Two episodes, I should say, spread over two weeks after this week. so that's a lot of fun stuff to look forward to. Until then, this is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm. Welcome back, buddy. Thank you.

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