NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Players Who Could be Traded on Draft Night with Josh Norris

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Josh Norris of Underdog Sports to give you 17 players they think could be traded during the NFL Draft. Gregg and Josh tell you why they think Kayvon Thibodeaux (05:00), Jalen Ramsey (08:20), Dallas Goedert (11:10), Jaire Alexander (14:30), Travis Etienne Jr. (16:00), George Pickens (21:45), Jameson Williams (25:10), Kyle Pitts (28:10), and others could be traded during the Draft. After the break, Josh tells you why he's furthest from consensus on TreVeyon Henderson (29:14), Coltson Loveland (36:25), and Jalen Milroe (38:35), and the guys react to some of the Draft buzz going on around the league (41:30).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're trying to ignore that draft buzz, but it's hard out here. I'm excited. We're only two days away from the NFL. NFL draft. I'm here in my garage in front of a painting of my dead turtle. Rest in peace. And I'm joined across the country by my friend Josh Norris of Underdog. We've had him on for years

back with the around the NFL podcast from Brooklyn doing great work with Underdog. Of course, working with Dan and Mark over there and putting out a lot of great YouTube content. Josh, I've been enjoying all your videos. Are you ready for this draft? Have you crammed enough? Nope, I am not. You and I were talking about this, that I could go on for another three weeks

and Daniel Jeremiah just put out a prospect at 123 overall that I've never even heard of. So I'm not going to get a single look at him. But here I am sitting in my draft dungeon. And I'm the opposite of you. Give me all the buzz. Give me all the DMs. Yeah.

Give me all the rumors that you want. My messages are open. I want it all fans. Okay. you can do that and you could have actionable things that you take away from it with your mock drafts which you famously had the best one in the country a few years ago just ever ever not just the country ever ever with gambling you know underdog and whatever you want to do whatever is going on I'm not allowed to do all that that all makes

sense but what I would caution is I feel like you need to be someone like Josh or you know Pat myself on the back, someone like myself, who has all day to be going through this and sifting through kind of the connections and the, what's a coincidence, what you can and can't trust, what are some things that are co-elating, what you can just throw out? Totally. Who has time for that? For the most part, I think if you completely ignored what was going on from Monday, let's say, morning through about Wednesday night, you might be fine.

You might be fine with that. You might be fine. Thursday, it starts coming in. Two thoughts. One, I hear a lot of people this week especially say all of the news that comes out is just smoke screens. I almost want to do a 180 from that. I think it's the opposite because the last two weeks are when, as you know, the scouts come in for all these meetings. Then they get the medical information and take guys off the board.

And then I think the most dangerous thing for these front offices are these scouts having the information of knowing how the board is stacked. And then another five, six days waiting until unleashed that until the NFL. draft. They have to tell someone. They have all this stuff. And so I think some of this that does get leaked actually does come true. And that's, you know, what we kind of try to do is sift through that and find the gold. Yes. But there are also consensus opinions that form like Will Levis going, you know, top three that lasted until Wednesday. You know what I mean? Where it's hard to get to know. And we're going to, we're going to piece through some of that. We'd be here all day if we tried to go through everything that's out there. But we will go through a couple little items that I'll throw at you later in the

show and what you think. I also just want to get a couple names from you where you're a little further high or low on a player than consensus later. I feel like I've almost given out my all my draft opinions if you go back in NFL Daily. They're out there. I don't know if I have anymore. But first, we're going to talk about potential trade candidates. This is a show I've wanted to do the whole time. And we hadn't gotten to it yet. And Josh, I usually have. you on for your draft nuggets and your tape watching expertise. You do a great job. But this, you know, you're, you're from Roto World. You graduated. Oh, yeah. How many years ago did you go away from Roto World? Oh my gosh. Um, I was probably there for eight years. So,

2011 to 2019. So 2019, 2020-ish. A lot of successful graduates from, from Roto World and, uh, double major. We, we like to focus on the pro side when we were back there and like what kind of pro trades are going to happen. So we will do that. I want to remind our listeners, tell them really for the first time about our draft coverage, though, this year because we hadn't given the details that on draft night, we will be going live after the first round is over. So we will send out a link for that. You can save it. You can join me. You can join Patrick Claibon. You can join Steve Weish, heavy hitters on draft night. And we'll be doing draft shows, obviously, throughout the week after Friday night as well.

We're not going to be live Friday night. I don't believe. What's up, John? Greg, I hate to say this, and I don't know if you know this. You and I will be draft night competitors then, because we will also be going live right after round one. I think we're the only two shows that aren't doing live streams during and instead after. And so I'm glad that you are my foe in that regard. You know, you can watch us live and you can catch Josh the next day. Or the opposite. It'll still be there.

All right. Let's go through and let's organize these potential trades by most likely to be traded on draft day. because I don't want to waste our listeners time here. And so we'll start with the ones we think are most likely. I'll let you get going. We'll just go back and forth. Oh, and, you know, these trades are important because, you know, Rainy Moss was traded during the NFL draft.

And then a couple of years ago, we had, you know, DeAndre Swift moved from the lines of the Philadelphia Eagles. So these things happen. And usually they're quite bargains. And oftentimes it's directly correlated to a new rookie selected at the same position. So the name I'm going to suggest first is, Kvon Tibido of the New York Giants. Okay.

With Abdul Carter, most likely being the number three selection here for the Giants. I know that local media fan base have, you know, brought back the days of Michael Strahan and O.C.U. Manura and Justin Tuck and Matthias Kiwanuka, I think there's a big difference between those massive bodies that could play from a whole different alignments and a whole bunch of different positions than all the guys of the Brian Burns, Abdul-Carder, Kvon-Tibodeau body types where they are best as true edge rushers. And so if you're going to move forward with two heavy investments of Burns and Abdul-Carter, then one of these guys is going to get left out who is nearing the end of his rookie deal.

So I think Kvon-Tibodeau has a high likelihood of getting moved this weekend. Wow. Okay. So you went right off the bat with speculative. I'm going more with just guys that have said they wanted to be traded off the bat. But I like that because I think it's smart. I do think the fifth-year option timing puts a certain sort of pressure on a certain sort of player this weekend. There's another one I'll bring up later where teams, and they haven't said what they're going to do with Kavon-Tibodeau's fifth-year option,

they have to make a decision on that by May 1st. So the timing on that is perfect for a team not only that would want to trade Tibido like the Giants, okay, now we have Carter. He doesn't make sense. But a team that would want to trade for him because I think they would. would have him under contract for two years. They would certainly pick up that fifth year option. You would think if they're going to trade for him. He's been a solid starter. Probably hasn't lived up to where they wanted him to be. He is a Joe Shane draft pick. So that makes it less likely to me that he'd be giving up on his own guy. But I could totally see that. And I think there's a handful of

players like that where if a guy gets drafted, then they might trade the other guy at the position. And you know, you remember that team because they beat up on your Patriots of all those different pass rushers that they moved all around. And I'm seeing that with mentioned, you know, the Abdul Carter selection at three. I just think you don't have a Justin Tuck of that group that can play inside and past rushing situations. So like, you have to make room for this guy to play 70, 80 percent of the snaps. And if Kvon Tibado is that guy, then isn't it best to maybe get, I don't know,

a fourth round pick, a fifth round pick for him? Man, if that's all you're getting, I don't think they would trade, trade him. Two years of control for Kavon, yeah, maybe like a late, Your best friend, Kavon. Yes, Kavon back in the day. Great, great multi-time guests of the Iran, the NFL podcast, although I was not there for the famously for the second one. But, okay, I could see that happening. I also worry with the Giants like, are they thinking at all about the future when Joe Shane and Brian Daibble are there.

I'll go most likely, I'm just going Jalen Ramsey. I just think when he made that trade request and they said. said it was mutual and listening to Chris Greer, a beleaguered Chris Greer, by the way, the GM of the Dolphins, never has a guy given off more. I'm probably not long for this job vibes than Chris Greer at his pre-draft press conference.

I thrown it out there a couple of times this offseason that like, if there was one GM that gets the post-draft firing, Chris Greer would be my pick for that. And it seems like they're on the same page here. Jalen Ramsey wants out. I'm not sure if the dolphins were totally thrilled with him either. And so I think he's almost definitely gone. And I think the Raiders and the Falcons who have been reported to be two teams that are interested make all the sense in the world to me, one of the two.

And that he had spoken, Jordan Rodriguez of The Athletic and our show, and he had the call, has mentioned that he's talked to Rahim Morris about possibly moving to safety in the past. So that makes a lot of sense to me. But the Raiders, the Raiders should get in some of these players. You and I even exchanged texts on, you know, these draft press conferences, both pre and post. I think it's from our rudderall days that we actually enjoy those because to me you can take a lot from them, not just of what they say, but who is saying it and the body language of the person next to them at the desk. I'm right there with you with Chris Greer. It's a really weird dolphin situation here at the moment. It's terrible.

Yeah, Terrible is another word for that. And I don't know if like the root of that from just a player standpoint. is, and tell me if I'm off base and you disagree, is that they know if their quarterback takes one terrible hit, then their season is basically over. And on top of that, this team has not invested a lot in the offensive line over the last two years. So are those hits more likely?

And if that's the case, then once again, the season just is kind of pointless beyond that. But then it just seems like a whole bunch of characters and maybe not enough leaders. And when Chris Greer was asked about that, he did not have a great answer. and evoked Tyreek Hill's name, the guy who literally quit on his team at the end of last year. Right.

And who might not be on the team this year. Yeah, they asked him and I forget who he threw out quickly as his one name for a leader. And then he was just struggling to come up with other names. He did not throw out to a, and I'm with you. It seems like just a collection of guys that have been brought together. And sometimes it works. Their free agency class last year was really good. But it's just like each year.

And great defense of coaching, I think. They're just like adding guys and they don't necessarily fit. No one seems particularly happy there. It seems like they are less than the sum of their parts. All right. Give me another one. Another treat, I'll go with another name that's being rumored to move that has yet to move.

And that's Dallas Goddard of the Philadelphia Eagles. I think that this team has kind of not maxed out on the contracts that they can give, but they kind of understand what the allocation is for a certain spot. that they are willing to give money to. And if Dallas Goddard, who I actually think is one of the more complete tight ends in the league and go to a whole bunch of situations and really help them. But we've seen a missed time here or there. And I think that now in this draft class at the titan position,

maybe we'll talk about this a bit later around, and I'm sure you already have is just fantastic and a whole bunch of different types that maybe this is the year that they reset at that position and just move off of a near 30-year-old Dallas Goddard and go after one of these 22, 23-year-olds in round one in a round two. Yep. I think he could get replaced by, it could be Mason Taylor at 32 who has been compared, but it could be someone else in the second round or the third round. Either way, the way they've talked about Goddard has been weird from the beginning. Bowulf, I had on two days after

the Super Bowl from PHLY, and he thought Goddard based on, and he's not just throwing this out there, he talks to people there. He thought Goddard was probably a goner this offseason. And he hasn't yet. He was the first person I heard say anything like that. And I think the cold. would make a lot of sense for obvious reasons. They need a tight end. Shane Steichen is there. And if you are willing to take on his contract, you're not going to get much for Dallas Godda right now.

I, you know, whatever it is, some move up to the third round or fourth round or something like that, but you have to give a pickback. I think something like that could happen. Can I throw another team at you? Sure. And it's the Patriots. Like, I don't think Josh McDaniels is going to be able to resist

this tight in class in any way, shape, or form. You know, you've heard me tell the story. before when I was with the then St. Louis Rams in their 2011 draft room, he literally walked in the door in round two. And Billadivani, who was a GM at the time, said, we're taking Lance Kendricks because he wanted Josh McDaniels. I think loan season as the offensive coordinator that year wanted to turn Lance Kendricks and Michael Hoho Manawinui into his new version of Aaron Hernandez and Rob Grankowski. And we've seen him at basically every single stop. invest in the tied-in spot. And now they really haven't this offseason. Like, I still think Hunter Henry has game left in him and Austin Hooper is the vetting that they re-sign. But I think at the very least, we get one tight-in investment coming up this week for the New England Patriots. Yeah, I agree. It just seems more likely that it would be a draft pick. But you're right, it could be. They'd be a draft pick to bring in with Henry. They did re-sign Austin Hooper,

not that Austin Hooper or Hunter Henry, I think is going to change their draft plan. Didn't they double dip a couple years ago, too. It was like Dalton Keene and whoever the UCLA tied in was as well, like round three. You know what I'm talking about? The, the Belichick last draft classes, like the last three he had. They all blur together. They were rough and they did not work out. But you're right. They double dipped and didn't get anything out of it. But a lot of cursed images and names you just brought up there, Billy Devaney, St. Louis Rams. Josh McDaniels with the St. Louis Rams. not great. That was the Austin Pettis and Greg Salis draft as well.

There's a whole bunch of stories I'll go into another time. Oh, man. So I only had four players that I wrote down that I thought were more likely than not to be traded, like more than 50%. Goddard was one of them. He was the fourth in my list. Jire Alexander, we just have kind of forgotten about him. Rob Domoski of ESPN was on a show this morning and said that 99.5% certainty he had

that Jaya Alexander is not going to be on this team, but they have no interest in having him, that it's gotten dragged out way longer than anyone expected, but that he's not going to be on this team. So it's just, I don't have any logical landing spots for him, but he's in a boomer bust type of pickup for some team out there that I think they could get at least a pick swap, but the contract complicates thing,

like a very late pick swap at worst. And if not, it sounds like he's just going to get caught after the draft is over. So Jaya Alexander is another one. I mean, the Jaya Alexander story arc has been fascinating. I mean, a couple of years ago, he was kind of mentioned, I'm not going to say to the same degree that Patrick Sartan was this past year, but he was up there as one of the best young corners in the league. And it's just like falling completely flat, been some really odd on-field stuff

where he like stepped up as a team captain when he wasn't directed to be a team captain. I think. Right. He's also, he's not young anymore. Now, like, cornerbacks age, age quick. It's already such an up and down. position that, like, I do not think of him as a young player and we'll see, but he's a good player that should be traded. Who else he got? I mean, mine might be a bit further down

the line than yours because I had another replaceable player, and that's Travis E.T.N. of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm glad. Because I don't even know if this has to be an ashen gentee selection at number five overall for Jacksonville to make this work. But whoever lands with Liam Cohen in that running game is going to produce yards and touchdowns and be high up there in terms of fantasy upside. And I just think at this point, Travis ETN is just a volume sponge and kind of a plotter. And that's about it. He was billed as this, you know, big play artist coming out of Clemson with Trevor Lawrence. I think injuries have kind of taken that away. That was apparent to me in the first game of last year when Tank Bigsby just looked far more

explosive and Tink Bigsby's a very incomplete player, definitely. But I just think that Liam Cohen, as soon as he turned on the tape, is like, okay, we can use some of what Tink Bigsby has here. But if anyone offers us anything for Travis ETN, we know we're going to replace him as the 1A in this backfield. And so we'll try to recoup whatever assets we can there. Okay, let's have our Gentee conversation now because I think that wherever Genty goes could make a candidate to be traded wherever he goes. I haven't totally mentally crossed out the Patriots just taking him at four

and then Ramandri is available. The Jaguars at five. I just did the 40s in free agents with Daniel Jeremiah on Monday and Genty to the Jag seems to be something that more people inside the league think is possible. And if they're thinking about Genty there,

yeah, ETN, they'll probably be thinking about a running back in the second round too if they don't end up with Gentie and ETN could leave. I also heard some like, hey, Brise Hall is not necessarily the Jets new staff's cup of tea or that just they're going to look for their own guys. And so if Gentie falls to seven and goes to the Jets, Breece Hall could be another guy. And then around all this is the Gentie Raiders combination, which has been so talked about for a month among smart people that this was the week where I started to think like, wait, why has this been talked about for so long? This is where we start doubling back on the things we think we know about the draft.

And we're actually going to listen to John SpyTech. It's the only sound for today here, Josh. We're going to listen to SpyTech at his pre-draft press conference right now. I don't try to devalue any certain position. I mean, there's times in games where there's nobody you'd rather have than the best kicker in the league, too, right? I mean, in that moment. So there's certain ways to build a team. And I just don't know where we got to a place where we don't feel like running backs are valued.

I come from the University of Michigan to my core and those guys were certainly really valued there. So it's hard for me to get away from that. Josh, what do you think? This was like worthy of second in the stack on ESPN.com over the weekend. The news was so light. The most telling phrase from that presser with Pete Carroll

actually came from Pete Carroll, in my opinion. Because when asked about Ashton Gentie, Pete leaned over to SpyT and said, hey, be careful with this one. Pete Carroll freaking loves the draft. game, okay? And him saying that, and maybe this is 10 for a hat theory, makes me think it's even less likely. They take Ashton Shinty. Pete Carroll is the type that in previous years with the Seattle Seahawks would tweet hints of what tines of picks the Seattle Seahawks were going to make.

And so Pete wouldn't just lean over and say, oh, we're interested in this guy. So this was a misdirection that people took as, oh, we're actually interested in him. So I think I would go the opposite way. I would be shocked if the Raiders select Ash and Genti and number six overall at this point. I know. We've all been on this Genti to the Raiders thing for so long now that it makes me wonder,

is this telegraphed? And so why would that be? Tom Pelliserra was on NFL Network on Monday morning saying that Genti could potentially be a trade up candidate. And so are the Jaguars letting this be known behind the scenes that they're into Genti because they don't want teams trading up for Genti with the Raiders? Are the Raiders just doing this the whole time? Who really would trade up for a running back? Have we gotten that far that running backs are back? Like if that's the case, hell, trade up with the Patriots. I don't know.

The Bears were mentioned and have been buzzed about as a potential team that could trade. up to take Ashton Genti. The Saints are another team, weirdly, even though they just gave Alvin Camara a ton of money. They're the Saints, and they're just bizarre. Another team that could be in on Ashton Genty. I don't know if I'm all the way there that a team is going to trade up for a running back. I don't. I don't see it.

Even him. But maybe that's why the Raiders are putting this out there. I don't know. You follow the Saints closely. Think about all those years when Sean Peyton was there. When he, like, finds a target in round one, whether it be, you know, Marcus Davenport. I know these are different pillar positions, he'll move up for him. He did it in his first draft when they barely had any picks to go get Marvin Mims, I believe, at like the end of round two.

Like, is it a ridiculous thing to suggest that the Broncos could move up from 20 to 8 or 20 to 6 or 20 to 7 or any of those spots? And maybe the price wouldn't be as much. You're not trading up for a quarterback. The class isn't quite as good. So the Broncos have been mentioned by Adam Schaefter as a potential trade up candidate, just about. the only one. But okay, that's our, that's our gentie fallout. Quickly, a couple other names that could be traded. One that I think is fairly likely is George Pickens. And it hasn't gotten like a ton of pop. But since, since my podcast co-host, Jeremiah threw that out there, I've just

been thinking, yeah, like this does seem like a two-part move. I don't, I don't know who takes on George Pickens. It's definitely a buyer beware considering what happened with with him. It's his last year his contract. You're not going to get much for him, but the, you know, the teams that are needy of a wide receiver, the Patriots certainly come to mind. The Browns have been willing to just take chances on guys, not, not care about anything other than are they good on the field or not? The Panthers need a wide receiver. The Raiders, certainly. Would they do that right after the Deonté Johnson deal after Mike Tomlin and company being okay to let someone leave and then you trade basically nothing, Dante Jackson for Deontay Johnson? And then he doesn't even make it, you know,

halfway through the season. I mean, Dante Jackson started for the Steelers. It ended up kind of being a nothing burger for both teams. The Raiders certainly need a wide receiver. Maybe they would take a chance on him, but he's in the last year of his contract. That's one. I can definitely see George Pickens in silver and black,

can't you? Like, that's almost predestined at this point. Maybe they'd be into Michael Mayer because it's kind of gotten lost in the shuffle, but the Raiders kind of put it out there, that Michael Mayer, their second tight end. That could be a Patriots target, too. and then possibly trading for a time.

Tyree Wilson's another one from the Raiders, too, that's being mentioned as well. Like, this is someone who was just drafted in the top 10 and hasn't produced at all because of injuries in the NFL. And it seems like they're picking Michael Coontz ahead of him who missed all of last season as well. So that's just a name that's being put out there. But Tyree Wilson has been a bust. Michael Mayors look like an NFL player when he's been out there.

So I would think he would have a market. I can't imagine Tyree Wilson would have much. But, yeah, that's fresh in my mind because my son Walker was, watching old drafts on the Roku channel over the weekend. He's got the sickness. He really does. And we did an exercise or he does it, but then he checks with me afterwards, if I agree, like hit, miss or meh for every pick.

And he doesn't really know the defensive or offensive lineman ones. And he's like, Tyree Wilson, that's a miss. I'm like, yeah, that's a miss. I was like listening to the coverage and everything they said after. I know that's only two years out, but that's been a. It's been a pretty good. Hayden, I always have this conversation specifically around Gentie, and I don't want to bring it up here. But he's like, well, you know, Jalen Carter's going to get a much massive, much more massive deal than Bijon Robinson got. And I was like, well, then the pick just ahead of Bijon Robinson was Tyree Wilson. So it's not like you can just take these pillar positions and they absolutely work. Like I understand the contract values and the positional value and all that type of stuff, but those guys miss at the exact same time. So it's, I think this. this type of draft, too, it might be a little bit different on top of it. Right.

And maybe a better comp, because I kind of had forgotten that he went sixth in that draft was Paris Johnson. And so then that's one where it's like, okay, I think we hit. We hit, like I said that's a, that's close to a hit, I think. Oh, I think Paris Johnson's awesome. Yeah, so you take a tackle at six instead of Bejan Robinson, whereas I think you could reasonably debate, like, which way to go. But like, Bejan was a better prospect, certainly overall.

But I think the Cardinals are probably pretty happy. Are we going to get spicy? I've got a... Sure. Go. Go. The one name that keeps getting floated out there by multiple people is Jameson Williams. Yeah. He was the other fifth year option guy I was mentioning or thinking about earlier. Albert Breer brought this up this morning.

I know others have in recent weeks as well. I'm not sure if it's a Jameson Williams give him extra money and extra contracts and we're not sure how that's going to pan out or that we already have our assets allocated to a whole bunch of situations. Or is it Ben Johnson? maximize on what the talent that is Jameson Williams where he almost took over what Sam LaPorter was doing in the previous year. I know that they are very different body types, but in the people just think of Jameson Williams as these vertical nine route stuff and he definitely has those highlights. But a lot of the production also came on these crossing routes, like these short routes

that these were runway stuff, get him up to speed. And then he just rooms around linebackers and second. people with his four, three, whatever speed. And so that was a pivotal part for them last year. But we also know what has gone on kind of the past two years where I do, it alerts me a little bit when someone like this who was that impactful, it was best year and he's already being mentioned as well, I think it's a cell high. And I think it's the lions getting out in front, potentially.

And I don't think this would get out there unless they were open to it. of the assets being allocated, as you mentioned, and trading him high. Like, you still have two years left on his contract when you have that fifth-year option, which for a player like him is a good deal, that fifth-year option. So you have him cost-controlled for two years for less than two-two-at-well is going to make over the next two years. You know what I mean? And so that's an attractive.

There, Diami Brown, you know? But you also know we're not going to give him market value because we, we, We have these sort of people maybe because of how he's been in the suspensions and everything like that. Like, can we get a pretty reasonable pick here or can we use them to move up for our next star? That is a really intriguing one. Yeah, that I noticed as well. A couple more, I'm going to just fly through here and then we'll take a quick break. Tyree Kill, I still think that's possible.

I don't think it's likely. I think it's possible. Mark Andrews, maybe to the Chargers, I feel like is still possible. Although Eric DeCosta, their GM pointed out, when was the last time we traded a veteran, like, during the draft? Has that happened? So that's kind of been out there, and I don't think that's going to happen. And then some lesser players, Will Levis, I think we'll end up on another team. Maybe the Steelers or Saints or Giants, like whoever's just out of quarterbacks.

Sam Howell is on the market. Oh, my gosh. Drew Lock again. We're getting. And at the bottom of my list is Drew Hendrickson, Trey Hendrickson, rather, because I was like, I don't think he's going to get traded. I'll just be okay I've got one more spicy name okay one more give me we haven't heard about this guy all off season cow pitts is cow pitts going to be usable in Atlanta no he's their fourth fifth pass catcher at best um now cow pitts has not been asked to run like the gimmee real tight end routes

and now he's basically replaced as does he do the tight end stuff on an NFL field but if they are going to get anything for cow pitts I feel like it is this off season and this NFL draft if there's someone and a team that is still like attached to the draft grade that they gave him. Teams love their draft grades. And that's that's part of all of these values. It's why Will Lovis will be somewhere because they get attached to those draft grades. And Kyle Pitts doesn't have the best NFL tape. It's not the worst NFL tape.

That's not a crazy one either. I do have some real long shots. Actually, let's hit them after the break. We'll be right back with Josh Norris. We're going to get the players he's furthest from consensus. We're going to get some more long shot possible trades. then a little bit of draft buzz and we will send you on your way it is draft week what's up everybody daniel jeremiah here and i'm bucky brooks on move the sticks we take

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL Daily. It is draft week, and we're talking about possible guys. guys who could get traded. So I went through like the likely names. And Schaefter threw out a bunch of possible names that are in their rookie contracts that to me are just not relevant enough to, you know. No shade. Yeah, just to have like Lankan discussions about. But Evan Neal and Jalen Hyatt of the Giants,

Traylon Burks. You mentioned Tyree Wilson. Kayshan Bootsie. I'm like, you're going to get something for Booty who's actually, you know, an NFL player. Addafe Owe actually was an interesting guy that he threw out there as guys on their rookie contract who's, he's been okay. So him throwing those names out there is not nothing. But if I'm going to throw out some other long shots, AJ Brown has been dismissed by Schaefter by other people. So stop thinking it's going to happen. Patriots fans for some reason think A.J. Brown was somehow going to go to them.

It's never going to happen. Jeffrey Simmons is one that's been thrown out. Oh, yeah. I feel like that. I feel like that's more of a long shot. But the thing is, I don't think you're going to get enough for Jeffrey Simmons. And this is true for most of these veteran types of guys where if they're on the team at this point in the offseason,

they're probably going to stay there. And so I would include Jacoby Myers, James Cook, really any of the Brown's starting cornerbacks, they've got three of them. And like if Martin Emerson or Denzo Ward or Greg would get you excited, like I don't think they'll get traded, but they're possible. And then Devin Lloyd, if they're not picking up his fifth-year option, I think he would have some value out there.

Our guy, Ali Connolly, thought he played like an all-pro last year that he really took a huge third-year leap that not a lot of the media has noticed, I think, except for in Jacksonville. So maybe he'd be another guy. But those are some just surprise long shots. All right, let's talk about your players, Josh, that you think you're further from consensus than any other. So you do a great job. And I really recommend everyone check out Josh Norris and Hayden's YouTube page, which has like a hundred 135,000 followers. Shout out to you there.

We're only going to have like 46 prospect profiles. But we have about 8 to 15 minutes on, you know, the positives, the concerns, the underlying metrics and then some player comparisons for all these guys on quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs, all that stuff. It's the right balance between diving deep, but not too deep. You know what I mean? It's like, it's perfect. It's not just two minutes on the guy.

You want more. you want to really learn something, but you do it in a really concise, entertaining way. I appreciate it. So you focus on the skill position, guys. So I know it'll come from those guys. Who of those guys are you furthest from consensus?

I'm going to lead off with Trevionne Henderson out of Ohio State, who I have my running back two in this class. And I know a lot of people are expecting that to be a Marion Hampton. It might be. He might even go round one. Oh, he might go top ten, I think. I think Trevion and Henderson might go top ten. I don't think it's that crazy.

that he would go to the Bears. Yes. Well, I have a heavy investment on Amar and Hampton over 19 and a half, so we can all be rooting for that. Trevion Henderson, though, I think the Broncos at number 20, when you think of where the draft will be when they're able to pick again at number 51, there's like a Grand Canyon of picks.

And then there's no one that, to me, can do what Trevion and Henderson does after he goes off the board. And from that, I mean, I guarantee you every single play caller, offensive coordinator that watched him left saying, I would want that guy in my team because he changes the fabric of an offense. He's an explosive player who is also arguably the best past protecting running back in this class. And you can find guys who are one of either of those sides, but rarely does it become that he's like a blend of the two. So he was a lead workhorse for a while at Ohio State. Then they tried to do the Detroit Lions running back room with he and

Quinn Sean Jenkins this year. And he dropped about five or six touches per game. But I'm just in love with what he brings to an offense and how he changes it now and how the league is all about creating explosive plays in the running game because they're so difficult to achieve in the passing game now, too. Great on passing downs and explosive is a great combination and a great blocker. He just didn't, I didn't get there with him. He's got some rough vision moments. As a runner, yeah, he didn't, I don't feel like I'm that far from consensus on a lot of these guys. and I think it's probably because I'm negging this entire draft class because I generally I generally watch like the first round guys

as much as I can and then beyond that for the skill positions because it's just more fun. And, you know, this, and I just, I could, I almost could feel that some of these guys are getting pushed up. And Travion Henderson was one of them for me where it's like, I'm not that excited. I mean, as like a runner, and that's what I look for first. Like to me, Amari and Hampton, I think is a really,

great prospect and would be getting even more love if Genty wasn't in this class. And I do love me some Hampton. I'm not trying to think who I'd be furthest from consensus at running back. I do like Dylan Samson. Although I think people like Dylan Samson. They do. Yeah, I mean... He has different

flavors. But I, it's more that I just think that the top guys are great. So I'm... So the Knox and Henderson, I'm not saying that this is from you, is that he also like doesn't bring power elements. I kind of disagree with that. There were times when I felt that his when he knew the run was going to end and there was like a square defender in the lane

that he did try to run through them. He was a lead blocker for his quarterback and against Penn State near the goal line and just flat line to dude. So if you want to watch one game of his pass protection, Michigan State is that he is asked to do everything and pick out who's blitzing from where from multiple fronts and he does that exceptionally.

So I think Trevor and Henderson is a guy that can be like a 12 to 18 touch runner and like almost take the, career arc. I'm not saying he's Jamir Gibbs, but like what James Cook has done over the past couple years where he went from like, you know, 12 touches, then to 14 to slash 16 touches and then grew into that inside the 10 yard line work too. And I think Trayvon Henderson's game can grow into that as well. Yeah, that makes sense. And it reminds me of James Cook coming out when he just looks so much like Dalvin Cook. And I swear, if you go, I was like, isn't that worth a lot? I was like, everyone's like, he's 80% Dalvin Cook. I'm like, well, that sounds great. Wasn't that

going to work? Isn't that going to work? Yeah, Trevion, I guess I have certain types. It doesn't feel like he has as natural, like a feel of how to get five if you only blocked for three. And I think those are my types of guys, which are not necessarily valued. Well, there's a lot of those in this class. There's like Devin Neal, if you want one of those. Like let's just pair Devin Neal and Trevor and Henderson together and we'll have a backfield. Like Kyron Williams types, I tend to tend to like those types, which are maybe a little less, a little less flashy. All right, another guy you're far from consensus.

I'll bring up two. I have Colson Loveland is my tight-in one over Tyler Warren. And I don't think that Tyler Warren is worthy of a top-10 selection, even though he probably goes in the top 10, because I know a lot of teams absolutely love him. And that's not to, like, bury Tyler Warren is, because I know a lot of draft evaluators love him. He was the entire Penn State offense,

but then they, like, geared everything around him. Like the Wildcat stuff was, like, truly, amazing. But I just think for a position that is so traits based, like when you look at tight ends, the pro bowlers, the 1,000 yard receivers, that's a very small list. You have to be an elite athlete. 80% of those guys are truly elite athletes. And we just like don't know that of either of these guys, right? But then there's GPS tracking. There's also just using your eyes. And I just think like Colson Loveland is just so much more of an easy mover who offers like legit wide receiver stuff as you're in-line tight-end

and also does more than enough as a blocker onto it that I think he is the superior tight-in prospect than Tyler Warren. I agree. And the arc, I've talked about being a little down on Warren. It's just you can see a player like him going really wrong that it just doesn't work at all.

And that's the thing that I've had in my mind too much in this draft process that, you know, all these guys that we talk about, like half aren't going to work for what the team's true you know and yet it's hard to come up with negative you you want to talk them all up but that's it's just the reality and warren is a little more scheme dependent and yet if if like he falls 10 and genties off the board and the bears take freaking Tyler Warren like they're gonna make that thing

work and like totally he is he is a unique uh runner of the ball mentality like just just being a bully and a hammer like I truly appreciate that from him but I don't know if that's like tied in skills he plays like George Kittle in ways, but he's definitely not the athlete that George Kittal is and like a difference maker in that regard in my opinion. And a lot of these guys, it's very tough. It's the same thing with the wide receivers. Like, none of, almost none of them block in a, in a way that NFL teams look at and you're like, already I got something great to work with. They all have to improve that. And it's so important for the tight ends. But Warren is certainly in that category. I'll give you one more if you have one that you want to, you want to throw out.

This is going to get me in trouble. This is going to get me in trouble. I mean, I want to see what Jalen Milrow becomes in the NFL. Yeah. I keep big up in Jalen Milrow. I don't know. Yeah. And look, Kim Ward, I understand why he's going top ten, right?

That is absolutely happening. But when you look at the Shador Sanders versus Jackson Dart debate, those guys have obvious flags and flaws to their profiles, you know? Like Jackson Dart had total meltdowns in multiple games this past. season. And he plays, in my opinion, maybe the best organized and run offense in college football right now. And Lane Kiffin, who has, hey, if we have single high stuff, then we have these ball winners on the outside. And then because of the spacing and two of those guys outside the numbers, then the middle field isn't a traffic jam like it typically is in the NFL. And so you can

pick that apart. And then Shador Sanders, I think his game, and this is where he won at Colorado, was winning pre-snap and winning post-snap with his brain. I think he's a really intelligent player. But that offensive line was absolutely dreadful. And then the environment led him to, you know, be this retreater in the pocket. And I just think from a traits perspective, I'm not that into Shador Sanders as a traits guy. So like, if we bring those two red flags the table with those guys, sure, Jalen Milrow has his flaws as well. But like, it's not that dissimilar to the ones that are being mocked in the first round. And he's a truly electric traits player, you know?

So I'm a bit more side for that. If he had just got hurt after the Georgia game, whatever that was, like was that week four when he was still flying, I think people would view him differently and there's good tape the year before and he's not perfect, but I'm with you. And I was higher, I think, than contendous.

When I see like Jeff Legwald of ESPN did a top 100 board and Kim, Kim Ward was like 18th overall and some people don't see him like that he's just getting pushed up. And I don't see him. that at all. I like him a lot more than I like Panics or McCarthy coming out. To me, he is a guy that

fits in as a number one quarterback in a lot of classes. He's very similar to me. Just in like level that I would have him to when Kyler goes first or Baker Mayfield goes first or Darnel, people love like I think there's a lot to be excited about. If to me the floor,

it's hard to say floor with these prospects, as you never know. But I really think like I see a Cutler type career worst case and like with cam ward I hate to tell you that's number one overall pick worthy like if you think that that guy is going to be worst case that you get like the 12th best starter in the league or some years he's the seventh best starter in league like that's that's just what's going to happen in a quarterback draft all right those are your players from consensus since we're talking shador all right let's just hit a couple little items of the buzz that's been out there one from shifter and he he put out of a lot of

stuff on Monday that I think was interesting because it's him. First of all, he said the Giants and the Browns both tried to trade up to one. The Giants even harder and the Titans, you know, weren't really listening, which is just interesting backstory. I think they saw Cam Ward like I did like that. He was clearly far in a way, the number one guy. But then with Shadur, the question is, do the Giants take him at three? That's sort of where the draft starts. And Schefter's reporting indicates there's a divide in the Giants organization. And it sounds like the divide is essentially, Brian Daible's not into him.

And the front office is like, hey, can you really look at Shadur? And it's already being put out there that no, Shadur wants to go to a place where everyone's in on him. And they almost know Daibel's not in on him. And so I have a hard time imagining that he will be a New York giant. And Schaefter smartly pointed out, look, they spent a lot of time with J.G. McCarthy. and they spent a lot of time looking at a lot of the prospects last year that they didn't take either.

So I think he slips past. And then he has information that the Saints aren't necessarily that high on Shadur, that they're looking up to move up from the second round maybe to take someone that they would like. They've already started calls on that apparently. Right, that they've already made calls. And that would probably be for Dart, although our friend Adam West at Saints Block Party podcasted. At one point, that building was huge on Milrow.

And so for the right price, maybe Milrow is an option there. as well. And so that would lead you to believe should her maybe not as likely to go nine. How do you pick apart all of this? Because I've thought that the Saints at nine were his floor this whole time. And I might be wrong about that. Yeah. I don't want to be too harsh. But it kind of reminds me of that Will Levis draft where I got to it the night before. And then you just like start crossing out and saying this doesn't make sense. This doesn't make sense. And I think I was the only mock draft in the country that didn't have Will Levis in the first round. When at the end, of it. And it kind of feels that way now. I do think that's the one. You had the best one in

the country or down? No, no, that was a different one. I did terrible on that one. That was just the will-levels draft for me. That's it. Um, uh, the 21 to Pittsburgh, you know, I think Schifter or someone had mentioned that, you know, they didn't expect to start the process that Shador was a possibility, but then maybe it's grown in that direction as they've gone along. The window is just like so wide open here that it's just so difficult to pin one down. And it's to the point where I believe someone is going to have to make a move for him if it's not 21 to the Pittsburgh. So there's like they're the only ones that sitting in their slot make the most sense to draft him. And if not, someone will be moving up. Because as we have talked about at

the top of round two, you know, you have Cleveland at 33, Giants at 34. And then even some teams that might be looking in the future, the Saints obviously at 40. And then heck, even like, yeah, it's It gets really interesting once you get into the second round, too. Saints aren't afraid to trade up. I think the Steelers would draft Shadur if he fell to, if he fell to them. And I have a feeling they would just sit there and wait. And Schaefter says strong consideration. That's really interesting.

The other item from him that was interesting, that was that Kirk Cousins was, you know, on the trade block, even though the Falcons have said they're not. And that in initial talks about Kirk Cousins, they were asking teams to pay $20 million of his $37 million salary not moving. off of that and that some teams would be willing to maybe pay 10, which no one's going to pay Kirk Cousins 20 million and a draft pick, I don't think. But he mentioned the Vikings as one of the teams that would pay the 10, which is just delicious. And by the way, was thrown out on the very first 40s in free agents back in February by Daniel Jeremiah that he heard that that could be something even before free agency happened. So he threw out, I think he threw out the Giants actually as another potential team that would pay $10 million. I would. I would.

I would be shocked if Kirk Cousins ends back up with the Minnesota Vikings, just from a, oh, how do I want to put this? A personality standpoint? Like, those types of things are, you have to be in control of the room, you know? And Kirk Cousins does not want to go back to an organization where he is going to be second fiddle to J.J. McCarthy. And then at the same time, if they liked him that much, like there was a clear ending that we knew for a very long time was going to happen between him and the Minnesota Vikings the last time he hit for agency. Well, they tried to pay him, though. I mean, they tried to pay him way more than any other. Supposedly, they were trying to pay like 30-something million.

I mean, now that deal looks good. They weren't trying to pay him as much as. I'm very skeptical of that. Oh, I like that. All right. The other thing that I saw throughout there that I found interesting. Pete Trager, now over at ESPN, he always has a couple good draft week nuggets. And he said the two names he thought would get drafted higher than people expect that he's heard from a lot of people.

We're Michael Williams, the Edge from Georgia, and then Colston Loveland from Michigan. And Loveland could go as high as seven. And to me, that actually wouldn't be a surprise to me. But Michael Williams, that's an interesting name to me because he's a guy I struggled with. with when I did go back and watch because it's just like, people say, oh, he was hurt. And it was like, okay, his previous years, he really wasn't much of a pass pressure either. So you're taking an edge that has no, it's not just production. It's just like, I don't, I don't see it.

But he is a trades guy. And you love traits guys, Josh. Well, he is. He's very young. That system, obviously, you're working on the inside technique quite often. I wouldn't be shocked if Michael Williams is the picket number eight to the Carolina Panthers. I think, like, they might prefer Jalen Walker. But to be honest, Michael Williams and just his body type kind of fits what they're doing.

moving along the defensive line a bit more. When you look at Judevion Clowny, DJ Wanham, all the big, massive dudes that they have on the interior, Michael Williams at 8 makes sense. Can I throw out my Peter Schrager, he's going to go earlier than you expect, players? Yes.

Gray's able, the interior offensive lineman from North Dakota State. I would expect him to be drafted ahead of Tyler Booker out of Alabama. I wouldn't be shocked if we see Gray's able to like the Indianapolis Colts or the Seattle Seahawks. he'll go somewhere in the teens. And, you know, that's an FCS prospect.

But Gray's Abel might be like one of the first interior offensive linemen off the board. Yeah, mine is just because he's probably the defensive player, I'm higher than consensus. And maybe in the whole draft, in terms of just, I think he'll get taken higher than where his consensus board is, is Walter Nolan and Breer throughout Albert Breer of SI throughout that he's in strong consideration for the 49ers at 11. Just because when I watched him,

I thought, in this class, he seems the most likely to be like an Albert Hainsworth type of player. I don't know why I am parrying him with another guy who like people question his motor. Maybe that's, but just like he could easily, to me, he could be the number one defensive player from this draft. So I just don't buy in this, in this class that where there's not a lot of premier talent. The good tape is so good that he just looks like one of those dudes. I just don't, I don't buy when there's so few blue chips that all these. teams are going to let him pass because he turned it on and off and there's some question about how much he loves football. It's like those guys get taken high all the time if they've

all the time. If they've got great tape and his great tape is great. It's probably greater than than just about anyone else that plays defense other than Travis Hunter in this class. So that one stuck out to me. I didn't mention by the way when we were talking Eagles and being smart and having their assets allocated that Cam Juergen's got a big contract since we last did a show. So congrats to him. We talked about that a few times on this show that they're going to get him locked up. He's locked up through 2029. They've now given a contract extension to four of their five offensive linemen in the last year alone. That includes Lane Johnson. He just had one year tacked on, but that's how smart teams. And 2029 is a specific year where I believe the TV deals and everything

are up at the exact same time. Look at the Eagles getting it done. The Jets picked up the fifth year option there they're going to for Soss Gardner, Garrett Wilson. And then the interesting one was Jermaine Johnson, who's going to make about $13 million so that they like what they've seen out of Remain Johnson on tape. And then Ryan Ramcheck has retired from the Saints. Just happy trails. That was more of a procedural mood. But a guy who was part of one of the best draft classes of the last 25 years,

maybe the best. And yet it fell apart quickly. But one of the best right tackles in the league the minute he entered the league for about five years. Yeah. It's not because of Ryan Ramchick. But Saints, and it might not be quiet to you, but I think to the nation, a quiet offensive tackle team even after taking one last year, I believe. Yeah.

I think one of the bigger picture questions to me is how high the tackles go and in what order. I don't personally believe that Will Campbell is going to go ahead of Membu because I just don't think it makes sense that a guy that looks as talented as men. I hope that's the Patriots pick out four if they stick it stick and pick. And then I think the gap between Campbell, if there even is one and the next tackle is like if it's Calvin Banks or Josh Simmons or whoever it's going to be. be like I just feel some of these tackles are going to get pushed up. So how high? No, I agree. In a class that we've kind of been talking about where you're not exactly sure where you're getting, offensive line and defensive line will probably go very early. I would expect Calvin Banks to be a top 10 selection. Oh, man. And he's got some bad tape out there. But that's the thing with the tackle position in this class especially. There's like five guys people like. And then there's a pretty big drop. So that's just going to push everyone. That's why Josh Simmons from Ohio State, who's, maybe the biggest boomer bust prospect in the class because of motor, because of injury. To me, if you told me, he went in the top 10

ahead of Will Campbell. Like, we're going to be surprised. Josh Norris will be covering it all. And, yeah, he'll be doing it at the same time as we go live. You know what? Split screen. If you like this show enough to make it to the end,

just put them both up. You can put Josh on mute, but give him the view. He won't know the difference. Listen to us. And it'll be fun. Draft night. Yeah, I put myself on mute after that.

We'll see. Uh, yes, only one more show to go until then, right? Is that right? Yes, we're going to be back on Wednesday. Thank you, Josh. Hit the music. We got Jordan Roderig. We're going to do a mock draft. We're going to do a mock draft together. So that will be up on Wednesday. And then, yes, we'll be live for the draft. And you know what? Voluntary minicamp started on Monday. The Jags, the Bears, the Raiders. They're on the field. That means football. It's back. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sundays.

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