NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Post-Draft Outlook For Every AFC Team

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to give you the post-draft outlook for every AFC team. The trio starts the show with a look at the AFC South (01:48), followed by the AFC East (12:58), the AFC North (28:02), and wrap the show up with the AFC West (44:25).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're just opening for Beyonce all week. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with Patrick Clay. Vaughan and Jordan Rodrigue. We're talking every single AFC team today. And maybe later we'll walk across the street and go to SoFi Stadium for one of

Beyonce's like six straight sold-out shows. No? You're getting out of here? If you're buying, Greg, I'm in. I'm not. I'll see Beyonce for three. I was going to say, you got a plus one or? I can't afford that.

And also like it seems like there's a lot of pressure to the dress in countryware. It just seems kind of silly. You don't know not a 10-gallon hat? I do. Not even ironically. I do like Cowboy Carter. I do like Lucinda Williams. I love Cowboy Carter.

You know, I like a little country here. I mean, to be fair, I don't think I dislike anything she's ever made. Controversial take there. I always think when I see Blue Ivy, her daughter up there, and she was up, you know, there's a clip of her dancing on this, that she was born just two months after my daughter on the same floor of the same hospital in New York. And then I always imagine whatever Blue Ivy is doing, which is always something like dancing in front of 80,000 people

and be like, man, it'd be crazy if Ellis was doing that. I don't think she could do that. She can do anything. Great things. We're going to talk all 32 teams over a course of two days. We already hit the NFC, and now we're going to do the AFC. Are you ready for this, Jordan? I'm so ready.

Don't I look ready? I'm clearly visually prepared. Two and a half minutes on the clock for each and every team. And we're going to start in the South again because the South has something to say. The AFC South had a great weekend when it came to the NFL draft. And we'll go with the number one overall pick Tennessee Titans. I'll get us going. Hadn't mentioned on the show yet, by the way, that Tyler Lockett is a Tennessee Titan

and is projected to be a starter because they don't really have many options there. I like some of their later draft picks like Eric Eumonor and then Chimari Dike, both fourth round picks. But guys in terms of a eumanor might have like a little bit of an injury thing. They are a team and I saw Paul Kaharski who covers their team kind of make this point. And I thought it was a good one. With the guys they took Kevin Winston coming off of an injury, Cam Ward, a guy who's going to have to develop without like the best weapons around them. Their second round pick, even Elijah, like guys who are going to. need to develop. This is a roster and a coaching staff that is going to need some patience and is

going to need some time. And you do wonder with their ownership group, they have not showed a lot of patience recently. Will they actually give Brian Callahan a chance to grow into this job? Because man, just looking at the roster on paper, it might still be the worst team in the NFL. I know it doesn't usually work out like that, but I feel like Brian Callahan's got a tough job. Will this organization be patient with him. Yeah, I mean, I hope so. He seems certainly like he does actually have ownership's ear. You kind of see this in some of the strategy of deciding to move on from a quarterback of the previous regime. And Will Levis. Obviously, Cam Ward was the obvious number one overall pick for many reasons, especially the fact that

the Tennessee Titans needed a quarterback. What you said about patience, I really liked, Greg, because I thought they approached this draft itself with that ethos in mind. To me, me they didn't reach a lot. They didn't try to push the board further than their own board was going. It sort of fell to them. And part of that is when you have so many needs, you just have to be honest about who you are and what you are in that phase of your team build and just let the picks fall to you because you need help everywhere. I did when, because there was the idea from some folks that they reached up for Femio dejo out of UCLA who is like you have to project. You have to project with him because it was three games into the season

and they were like hey we need you to be an edge rusher for the rest of the season and so he actually had production there and had a good week in mobile where I don't necessarily think that that was a reach and he can contribute early but set your expectations right like I feel like there's been two consecutive quarterbacks and I know the Levis experiment went horribly wrong but between Malik Willis and Will Levis neither of them really got a full opportunity to be successful as an NFL quarterback, and hopefully

Cam Ward gets that. Yeah, and I mentioned Kevin Winston. A lot of people thought he might be the top safety in this group, but coming off at Torn ACL didn't really get a chance to play as in his last year at college. Patrick, you have the Jacksonville Jaguars next. And I think we will look

back on James Gladstone and Intangibles, the way that we look back at Dan Campbell and biting kneecaps, where it's happening initially and it's like, oh, what are the Jags talking about? Intangibly rich. Intangibly rich.

And I think it is intangible with Travis Hunter because he didn't do a lot of the Combonne, the pre-draft testing, so we don't know. But Caleb Ransaw, shout out to the wave, Greg. 9.75 relative athletic score. Let's go. Next pick, Wyatt Mullum, 9.1, relative athletic score. Bayshall Tootin out of Virginia Tech, 9.5 relative athletic score. The Jags said that they wanted to be fast and get faster.

They got a bunch of explosive guys. that I think are going to change the way that this team looks and operates, but it all starts with making the commitment to literally be bold and trade up for a player that we have never seen before. And if you're gonna,

if you're gonna make a trade up for a non-quarterback, why not do it for somebody that we have literally never seen and might not ever see ever again? So I'm, I'm on board. And then come out and talk about it with your goddamn chest. And that is what happened.

And you know what? Like, I don't want somebody running my team that does not believe in their draft picks. I just don't. It is a process that in order to fully exercise mediocrity out of that building where it is languished for years, you have to overcommunicate what the process and what the vision is. And so that can be laughed at whatever, but like that is something that that's who that's who they are now. They're telling you and they're showing you exactly who they are. On their picks, I like how they drafted because they went up and got players, but they also recouped different

picks in different ways. And they also, they also worked there with Jake Temi now as the VP of analytics over there. They reworked some of the bespoke personality assessments that Jake helped create while in Los Angeles over the last two years as their draft strategy was overhauled. And they ran those players that they drafted through that

process in order to make sure that not just the athletic qualities were there, but the personality qualities to literally rebuilding a very young core underneath what was already there was something that everyone could get on board with. I do worry a little bit. Can this coaching staff all handle it? Everyone in new positions. Offensive coordinator, head coach, defensive

coordinator, new GM. Like, there's a lot going on here, but I'm excited. By the way, Gabe Davis, still on this team. Just wanted to point that out. It's like they never mentioned Gabe Davis. Is it going to still be on the team? He makes a lot of money. I don't know. Like, whenever they talk about the receivers, like they literally don't say his name, which is weird. It's like Milton with the stapler.

The Houston Texans. I also I would say everyone check out that Mike Silver Jaguars piece because they let it be known basically the players that they really want including RJ Harvey. I was interested that the Denver Broncos pick, Ashton Gillette, the pass stretcher. All right, you were up next with the Houston Texans, Jordan.

Yeah, so I think everybody really expected Houston to hit their offensive line pretty hard with their earlier picks of this draft. But actually, I think they showed they were more concerned about maybe the health or the long-term viability or even the way they want to distribute the ball with their receivers group.

then they were initially willing to let on this offseason. The two Iowa State receivers, they doubled up in a big way. They, again, kind of went after this sort of like team chemistry thing that these two very complimentary players showcased while at Iowa State, two very dynamic players in Jaden Higgins and Jalen Knoll. And they were also top character and talent cross sections. Again, I got to see some of the scouting reports on those guys across the league. And so that tracks with what D'Amico Ryan's is trying to do.

Greg, you brought it up a few weeks ago with the Swarm Method. And they also have a type, like Higgins and Noel reminded external draft analysts of Nico Collins and Christian Kirk, who are already on the roster. One of my favorite picks that they made was Ariante Ursary, who's a project player. But if he does get on the right development track, he has tons of upside. And he also drew athletic and physical comps to Laramie Tunsell from external draft analyst. And so I think that that's super interesting to me.

And they obviously added Cam Robinson as well. after making that tonsil trade, more notable, maybe perhaps in their mind, is building out some of these layers and distribution avenues in the passing game and then bringing in Nick Cayley, who I think is going to bring some Patriots way to getting the ball out fast

and distributing it around. I don't know if it was a nut. They have a lot of players on their offensive line. It's still a mystery who's going to play where. I think they wanted to add more players. I think... I was surprised they went this direction. I think the lineman just went so fast

that the value wasn't there. I think they absolutely would have taken Donovan Jackson if he got one more pick later. Maybe Minnesota knew that, and that's why they... Yeah, I think he was kind of the last offensive line before a bit of a drop there. They have so many wide receivers. Like, yeah, Braxton Berrios and Justin Watson

are watching this draft being like, oh, come on, guys. But when they... Short-term rental apartments. When they took Higgins, my initial thought was that late season burst a couple of years ago before Nora Brown left. to go to DC that's like

that's the player that the Texans needed but they need a stretch guy deep they wound up going with Stefan Diggs and you know he was contributing you know within that eight to 10 yard range early on but they

they needed both of these guys out of Iowa State shout out to Damiko Ryan's just allowing a world where they only had one defensive pick which was Jalen Smith a nickelback in the third round but otherwise they went all

offense, which I think made sense after the free agency period that they have. I will wrap up the AFC South with the Indianapolis Colts. And I just asked the question, what is this team? I like it. I'm very intrigued to watch

this entire division, but I also don't, like, Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor, Tyler Warren, Joshua Downs, Alec Pierce, who is one of the best deep threats in the league, Pitman, like, add them all up. Maybe they'll get something out of 80 Mitchell.

Like, that's weird. And then it's this quarterback thing where all the quarterbacks are kind of the same but different. They have Russian dolls at quarterback. They've got the most elite version of the same quarterback. They have the medium version of the same quarterback. They have the poor version of the same quarterback. And they have the rookie version of the same quarterback. They have like the every range of the same person is on this. They also have a man and I bet he is just a clone of Daniel Jones and Riley Leonard, a man named Jason Bean

as their fourth quarterback. It's not a real person. Not familiar with his work. Jason Bean is a real guy and he is like Brandon or like the thing you eat. He is a quarterback slash wide receiver. He really is that guy who comes from Kansas and where's the number eight. Anyways,

I just, what is this to you? I don't know. You know what's kind of got lost in the shuffle? That their offensive line used to be awesome and they watch their offensive line kind of go to Minnesota. this year. And they've got pretty big questions from center over to right tackle. So that worries me a little bit. But it's, it's Chris Ballard time. All he has after eight years is one playoff win and 62 and 69 record and the title of best GM in the league by me one off season, which I regret. And Colleen Wolfe's most hopeful team every off season. Yes. I think there's

reason to be hopeful. I think Warren, just fundamentally the investment in Tyler Warren seems to say to me that maybe that depth of target that we saw from Anthony Richardson will come back closer to the line of scrimmage. Maybe they'll move the chains a little bit more. And then health being a factor as well. The defense you would think would improve

off of last year as well. So there's reason to be hopeful. I think, but no plan should include Daniel Jones playing football in 2025 if the Colts want to win to me. Let's go to the AFC East and let's talk about the Buffalo Bills.

Patrick. Buffalo Bills, who also got some of that speed, the literally fastest player in the combine, where I had wondered about the Bills speed in the secondary. They go and dress that with Maxwell Harrison. Fun fact about the Bills. So Jeremy White of WGR was going to have the Bills GM to join them on the radio, was taping a segment before mentioned,

need a little help at wide receiver. Bean gets on the phone, and he is incensed. guys we actually have this let's go well you guys were bitching in 2018 about Josh Allen you guys wanted Josh Rosen and now you guys are bitching that we don't have a receiver I don't get it like we just go hold on let me talk we just scored 30 points in a row for eight straight games we a year ago I get you guys asking why we didn't have receivers but I don't understand it now you just saw us lead the league in points when you add all the postseason no one scored more points than the buffalo bills, including the Super Bowl champions. So you just saw us do it without

Stefan Diggs, same group. How is this group not better than last year's group? Like, I don't, like, our job is to score points and win games. Where do we need to get better? Defense, we did that. So I get it. You got to have a show and you got to, you got to have something to bitch about, but bitching about wide receiver is one of the dumbest arguments. Okay. I mean, if you, I, I wish you listen to the two hours and 25 minutes before that. Oh, man, that is WGR 540, 550 sports radio audacity. I love it. I want everyone to bring Brandon Bean energy.

You know where I knew the hosts were in trouble where they just laughed at something he said nervously and were continuing to let him talk. And he was like, hold on, hold on. Let me talk. He's like, well, they are, bro. They are. I love that man. Points were made, though.

I agree with it. Yeah, he could, you know, he could dial back the gendered insults a touch. But I think, right, when Jeremy did get a chance to clarify, right, just wondering if the bills see wide receiver as a position that they need to invest in in the draft, like considering the Amari Cooper trade and some other things where, yeah, there's really no like overall issues with the team. No, we got to take a time out. I didn't, we can't count the sound track. So we'll take a time out with the. No, Eric was like, that's enough bills to. But yeah, they go get Bosa in the offseason.

Landon Jackson is a lengthy with some solid traits edge out of Arkansas who did get some production last year where, let's be honest, the bills are going to be Super Bowl contenders. It's going to come down to three or four plays. And there's really no glaring issue on the roster for them to repair, which is probably why Brandon Dean reacts so vigorously to the insinuation that there is. Yeah. Aside from like the tone and how mad he was, I do think he's right about one element, which is they just needed to improve their team speed on the back end of their defense. As much as I like the safeties, Demar Hamlin and Taylor Rap, they needed to get faster anywhere in that secondary. And I think that when you go with Maxwell Hirsten, who has his own background that Brandon Bede also had to address, that. he says that they did thorough research on. But, you know, the traits itself specifically with Maxwell Harrison, he's got the speed. And so that's where they needed to actually improve.

I think similar to some of the moves that they made up front, they're constantly going to be rotating in new defensive linemen on that team. It's just the way that they're built front to back. But this time they did actually address the back half. It is a good test of the continuity versus, you know, wanting to inject new talent sort of argument because they should be better. They're the same exact offense, but adding Joshua Palmer. Sometimes do you want to mix it up a little bit?

Like, they've had incredible health on their offensive line. That's great. And I hope they continue. But it is an offense that's trying to build. And defense was their problem. And it's a defense-led culture there. At least it has been for a long time. And they were, I think, not even in the top 10 in DVOA in terms of defense by the end of

last year. They bring back Tradavius White we hadn't mentioned. So they'll give him a shot. They bring back Dean Jackson. I also think it might have been in terms of taking all defense early in this draft or throughout the draft that, you know, you pick up two guys in the offseason and free agency that are immediately suspended that you weren't expecting Larry Ogunjobi and Michael Hoyt. So you might need some extra guys to actually take snaps early. So Landon Jackson, Deion Walker in the third and fourth round, T.J. Sanders in the second round, maybe a. and eventual Ed Oliver replacement.

A lot of defensive pickups. All right, let's move on. It seems about right in terms of time. Jordan, you are up next. Who do you got? You gifted me, the New England Patriots. Yes, right. Thank you very much for your charity on that.

If you're Drake May, you feel really good about what the Patriots did in this draft. Will Campbell is a stud, even if he doesn't quite yet have the Greg Rosenthal stamp of approval. Kyle Williams was quietly one of the best receivers in this draft. He just gets open and he'll push Stefan Diggs to regain a little bit of that juice. We know he still has.

I think having a competitor in that room with Stefan Diggs is a good thing for specifically Stefan Diggs. Trayvion Henderson gives him a runner. But what I like about this pick is he also gives them answers and outlets in the passing game for a quarterback. Pretty much all of these moves that you can see early on are to help Drake May either with pressure, combat pressure, or to get the ball down the field. Jared Wilson, I really like this pick, third round center.

He can also play guard, but I think quietly over time, he'll become one of their most important picks because they signed Garrett Bradbury. They're heavy in the center market and free agency. And they ended up signing Garrett Bradbury, who was not coming off some great production. And I think that Jared Wilson can ultimately come in and be that guy for them, although he can help it guard first. So all of this in a vacuum, but also in combination, says this is a Mike Vrable draft first and foremost. It was Mike Vrable all over this entire draft class. and all over this free agency period prior. But also, everything they're doing

is with one eye on maximizing Drake May in a variety of layers and a variety of levels, not just with the offensive line, but also with everything that's around him in the short term. They're going to have one of the most important training camps in the league because they need to sort out the nine receivers or so that they have. Kendrick Bourne could be anywhere from the leading receiver on this team

to not on the team. Jalen Polk could be not on the team to, who knows, maybe he improves a lot under, a new staff. Like DeMario Douglas, I think, is going to have a role, but you just don't know. And then it's a very similar case in terms of the interior line positions, left guard and center.

Because everyone in New England's like, well, we got center settled. It's Garrett Bradbury. Talk to some Vikings fans. No, no, no, no. That's why I love this Jared Wilson pick. The team does look much better. But they're thin at cornerback too.

They're going to need to figure out who's behind their top two at cornerback. It's kind of just wide open right there. They drafted a rookie kicker from Miami. They drafted a long snapper. That was a little wild, like feeling themselves. And they cut my guy Joe Cordona, the last remaining Patriot with a Super Bowl ring, which makes it sound like it was so long ago.

It was 2019 when that game was. He's gone. Yeah, they managed to go the whole draft until the very last pick in Kobe Minor to take a cornerback out of Memphis as Mr. Irrelevant. I hope he has a great time down here going through all the events. But you would wonder how much the Vrable influence had for some of these, you know, especially All of it. All of it. Yeah. To me, I mean, it's cool because we have, we do have a body of data where it was not Mike Frable in the draft room. And now we have a body of data where it was Mike Frable in the draft room. And I think we know at this point how influential he was. His intel was. And his staff Intel too. John Stryker, I think, plays a significant role in that.

building, not just on the football side, but in the analytics and talent identification process. And I do think that this is where you're starting to see the power structure shake out after a few years of questions about what your power structure would look like. To be fair, like they're still having Elliott Wolf do the interviews and stuff. There's still a lot of Belichickian weirdness that they're sort of pretending that he's the guy when all the reporters locally, including like Greg Bedard, Tom Kern, stuff, like say, no, it's Mike Rable. It's Ryan Cowden is his number one guy that they brought in.

We're honking too long. Let's go to the New York Jets. This is going to be mine. And, you know, as Little Wayne once said, real G's move in silence, like lasagna. And that's how the Jets, I think, have been operating this off season. And I just love what they're doing.

I feel like I'm repeating myself. And that's a little Wayneism as well. You know, repetition is the father of learning, not that he's the only person that says that, but it's true. I just think everything they have done has made a lot of sense. I think Mason Taylor is going to have a big role right away.

I think Armand Membue was a perfect, like, marriage of fit and need. They just needed that right tackle, and there he was, this high ceiling guy. Azaria Thomas, their third round pick is going to be able to compete, like, right away. Their pass rush is a little thin overall. You can't fix everything in one off-season,

but I believe that this is a team that has a vision of who they are going to be and we talked about Rabel and all the juice he has with New England. Aaron Glenn Sneaky has a ton of juice for a first-time head coach. He is one of the more powerful, I think, first-time head coach is

because I could be wrong, Patrick, but my view of it is he's the most important person in their front office too, which you don't always see with the first-time head coach, but he's been around the league a long time and I think he's the right guy to handle it.

Yeah, and you can see the impact. influence where in the forefront and pick 130, right? He gets a player that was recruited by Nick Saban and played the star position at Alabama in Malachi Moore. And again, harkening back to that Brian Branch success that they had in Detroit, I do wonder about Arian Smith. I know he can flat out fly, but the reactions from everybody affiliated with Georgia was that Arian Smith cannot catch at all. And so it's an interesting. spot there, but, you know, if he gets open, I guess people got to cover him. So why not? Yeah. And I think so much of this offensive identity is going to be run through an MFers face. Like, I think that's just

what this team offense wants to be. When you get Mambu and you get Mason Taylor and you've got him either blocking or detaching from the stack, I mean, this is going to be a group on both sides that has some attitude. And I think Aaron Glenn does bring a lot of that juice. But also, like, I think that's going to permeate through the entire cohesive team and not just stick on one side of the ball. And I do think it's a team built around Justin Fields. It's not like Justin Fields

going to be their quarterback forever necessarily, but for this year they are built around Justin Fields. Can you just imagine Justin Fields running like some sort of detached triple option concept behind Arbond Membu and Mason Taylor's out blocking downfield? Oh my effing God! So you can build a team around somebody without having them literally

pick the rest of the players? Am I excited about the Jets? I know. I'm doing it too. How are we feeling about the Miami Dolphins, Patrick? We feel good about the Miami Dolphins because Beyonce is going to be across the street. I'm pointing the wrong direction. Beyonce is going to be across the street.

And the Dolphins said, let me put this ass on you, right? And they get Kenneth Grant out of Michigan, who I know you're looking at the height and weight. And you're thinking, oh, this guy's a nose tackle. Kenneth Grant was playing in the B gap a lot. Like, getting quick. The B gap. E.E. Y. Yeah. All right. We'll make a whole bunch of Beyonce parallels. But yeah, the idea, the general

idea that they need to get tougher, which is, to me, like, one of those football things where it's like, is this really true? Like, they just need to be better and execute at the things that they were trying to do. But they get, I'm going to blank on Jonah's last name pronunciation out of Arizona. But he was a huge trades guy. Savanea. 9.19 on the relative athletic score and they get Jordan Phillips out of Maryland. It kind of makes me wonder

about the Christian Wilkins situation and if they felt like maybe they should have been more of a player in keeping Christian Wilkins in Miami because it really for both sides that departure didn't work out. They get Quinn Ewers late. Should he have stayed at school? He could have stayed another year.

Yeah, stay, play somewhere else. I know Arch is going to play at Texas. Right. He would have had to play somewhere else, but try to develop more. I'm, I'll say this on the show. The reported NIL numbers that you see for college football players, somebody proved to me that any one of them is real.

I need somebody to prove to me that those reported numbers are real. I don't believe them. Like, the people who give you those numbers were the same people that were lying about how much the payers were getting paid in the past. I think there's incentive for everybody to lie. I think there is an element of truth to that, but maybe just in terms of developing. But playing with Mike McDaniel,

that's a good place to develop as a quarterback. This team stayed together a little more than I expected this off season. Although Chris Greer, after the draft, did mention maybe timing for Jalen Ramsey's trade wasn't right. And then I looked,

financially they can save a lot more cap space trading him after June 1st. Yeah, saving the money that they didn't have to give him in the first place, but still did. Yeah. So I think that the Miami Dolphins fan base

overall would like completely revolt if they did not go trenches with their early picks. And they did. They went defense, offense, defense up front. And I think that's smart. They had to. They look like a soft team in the winter. And they have to not be soft in the winter.

They also need to get some cornerbacks. Because they don't have many if Jalen Ramsey is not on that team. They have talked to Rosal Douglas reportedly. All right. We have gone through half of the AFC. And what we're going to do here is we're going to make some money off advertisements. That's what floats this whole boat.

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What a fascinating organization. Jordan, take it away. What a setup. Thank you, Greg. Okay, one thing was clear throughout this draft weekend. The Steelers still clearly expect that Aaron Rogers will join the team. Or Kirk, no. My colleague, Mike DeFabo, who does a great job.

covering the Steelers for the athletic says the fact that the trade hasn't happened yet still, even as the rounds pass, still drops breadcrumbs toward Rogers. Really, this is the biggest topic around the Steelers right now. We talked about T.J. Watts, possible contract a couple of weeks ago on the show, a move they made recently that I really liked is adding Robert Woods. It actually showed me that they may keep George Pickens after all. And I know that sounds crazy considering he was dangled on the trade market, but it's a big personality room between D.K. Metcalfe and George Pickens. But Robert Woods is like the best dude and he brings people together and he's sort of a glue guy in the multi-layered elements of an offense in general still,

even though he's in the twilight of his career. And I can see him being a great like middle child in there. And also, by the way, you know who I think would love to throw to a security blanket such as Robert Woods, Aaron Rogers, who may or may not soon be joining this team. I'm higher on. I mean, the owner thinks he's joining. That seems to matter. Derek Harmon, who seems like the eventual heir to Cam Hayward was one of my favorite players in the entire draft. He's super versatile and he's always around the quarterback. And actually, I think I'm higher on Will Howard, who they did take a quarterback later on in the draft. I'm probably going to be a backup, uh, maybe even a spot starter eventually. Um, I'm actually a little bit higher on him than I think the, the zeitgeist

is, but specifically for that role, the backup spot starter role. Good moment on the, uh, season finale of Hey Rookie, a good NFL, an underrated NFL films production, uh, when Will Howard got drafted. I love those moments. Caleb Johnson kind of gets to be the thunder to the backfield question where he, we talked to him on path to the draft on the way up.

He doesn't like the perception of being a big back that is slow because he feels like people associate being big with slow, but he does say that you know, he can't be explosive and he was a lot of times for Iowa where I think, I don't know

if, I don't have the confidence, right, in the offense that they're going to have a whole bunch of running lanes to go. Why are they going to be better? I mean, they have D.K. McCaff. That would be the number one reason, but I'm not sure why this team is better. But to your Caleb Johnson point, the coaching

staff immediately afterwards, including Arthur Smith, said high volume, high volume. We liked how high volume, and we like that we can take pass pro off his plate because Jalen Warren is so good at that. So very clearly kind of like running down, old school, passing down back type of setup. And yeah, they better, I'm, I'm

I'm happy with either Aaron Rogers result because either it's good content. I mean, it is interesting. I will be interested to watch the Steelers. Or it's like the biggest team building malpractice in a long time, which is good content too. Because he at least requests such a specific set of things to be a certain way. And you combine that with Arthur Smith where, hey. It's got to be weird. Either way we win.

All right. Yes. Let's go to the Ravens. Did your Baltimore Ravens win, Patrick? I think they got a very good, again, the safety position in Malachi-Starks where you have a guy whose athletic testing didn't turn out, but on the field player-wise,

what more could you ask for? I could ask for more at this point in, you know, we're going to be in May very, very soon with answers on what happened specifically for Mike Green regarding his sexual assault accusations, as well as Justin Tucker. just for the benefit of people being aware of these circumstances and specifically what happened and how it happened, that conversation, whether to the benefit of Mike Green or just to say what

actually happened, I think would go a long way to facilitate better conversations around these things. But just a good football player would, again, like to know more. Emery Jones played a lot of football at LSU. this is I feel similar to this draft which had 11 picks in it I don't know you get down to

Delinger out of LSU like some of these guys are going to be on the back end of the roster I don't know how much they're going to contribute but it's it screams another team that's going to be a contender that's going to be three or four plays

away from having a chance to make it to you know a championship game or the Super Bowl where they were able to wait late and take a really good player who contributed on multiple national championship team.

Worries me a little that they're just rolling it back. It's one of the things I noticed when we do this exercise and check the depth charts of just like, how many new guys are starting for them? And for them, it's probably Malachi Stark has a good chance and maybe New Hopkins, which I wouldn't be, you know, I thought they'd upgrade that spot a little better.

It's always just a little worrisome when it's just like rolling it mostly back. I just like, I want some, you want it to be mixed up because I think historically that doesn't, necessarily work. So I think and obviously this is a complicated topic because I do think that they added above average and explosive juice where they really badly needed it and that's in their pass rush. But because of everything going on around this organization with Justin Tucker right now and because of the allegations against Mike Green and the situation that they're allegedly researching

as well or had researched before the draft. Um, it's complicated because I do actually think this team got better, but, you know, if you're a fan of this franchise, there are other questions off the field that you're asking about what is normal for this franchise. Well, Justin Tucker is not going to be on this team. Most likely they drafted a kicker, Tyler Loop in the sixth round. It, it does seem like they're just waiting for this process to play out. And then they're going to say goodbye to Justin Tucker. As for green, yeah, they, they pretty strongly defended and said it was, uh, investigated. as much as they could. I just look at him as like a version of Adafioi, but different. Like, he's a raw player that you're not sure is going to pan out either

if you're just looking at him as a football player too. But there, at least the difference between him and OA was you're projecting, right, the production for Owe. Whereas Mike Green had that production. But you're kind of projecting, you know, the level of play he was at. That's fair. But he was at Marshall.

But again, like with all these investigations, like there were, the famous Jerry Richardson investigation a few years ago. I'm a little tired in the NFL world of hearing about an investigation that happens and then not finding out anything. I would like to know what actually happened because I feel like it's important for people to know.

So let's go to the Cincinnati Bengals. I talked about it with DJ on our last 40s and free agents, but I do want to mention it here that Demetrius Knight, their second round linebacker is going to be one of the most important rookies in this entire class because he's going to be starting at an incredibly difficult position for a rookie inside linebacker, like right off the bat.

They have no other option. They are going to get rid of Jermaine Pratt by all accounts. And that's kind of true of their whole rookie class. Like, Shamar Stewart, I think, is going to have an important role on this team. Dylan Fairchild, who said it was the honor of his life to protect for Joe Burrow. Love that in the third round. Has a good chance to start too. So I'm not really making any evaluation on them.

It's just, I think this is a really, this is one of the most important rookie classes in the NFL because it's the Bengals and because they were somewhat surprising picks, at least the other two, and that I think they're all going to have to play right away. Whereas a lot of true contending teams are not asking their guys to do that right away. Yeah. And we mentioned this a couple of, was it last week? I think time has no meaning anymore. But I think it was last week during our incredibly disastrous mock draft that. It wasn't disastrous. It was entertainment and no one got their mock. draft right. We, we had a blast. I just love the immediate wrenches we threw into the entire system in the top 10 and with three different players that you and I thought would go with that we liked. We were wrong on all those. Yeah, I was fine. It's fine. It's fine. Like we, no, I was wrong in Jehag Campbell. I'm, I'm including me on this, Greg. I would never put you on an island like that. I mean, I had Shadur Sanders going to the top 10. You did. Yeah, you did. Um, but you know what? I like that if you say, hey,

we're going to like fall guy our defensive coordinator and then hire a new defensive coordinator and that's supposed to fix everything like you have to get that guy some players some young players some energetic players that you know this this is what they actually win about doing and and it's kind of one of those things where I do think that they did quote unquote enough or they think they did enough in their passing game and in sort of the schematic elements of their offense yes they could always stand to add offensive linemen and they did. And this is where on the defensive side, you really needed to add guys who are going to have a trial by fire situation. Just a little news update. They did pick up the fifth year option

for Dax Hill, which I thought was an interesting call, but has shown more than enough. Really, those fifth year options are good deals for the teams. Yeah. If we're, if we're scapegoating Lou, then this is it for Al Golden. Like, like Shamar Stewart, who seemed visibly upset at the time he was drafted. Oh my gosh. Jamie handled that so well. Jamie carried the draft at that point. because that interview could have gone horribly wrong. But James is able to, you know, to bring him back South Florida guy. We're like, hey, you're going to play against Lamar. I don't think he was upset about the Bengals.

I think he was upset that he fell to 17 for whatever reason, which seemed like a totally normal spot for him to go. But, you know, you get expectations. Expectations are a bitch. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns. The expectations. We are off the rails with this one. Yeah, I'm loopy.

Oh, my God. The Browns. You're up. Okay, guys. Expectations are going to be low. was how I was going to land that plane. Are you guys ready? Yes.

Yeah. Here is a non-comprehensive list of people who could also be added to the Cleveland Browns quarterback's room before training camp begins. Daniel Jeremiah, Matt Saracen, whichever one of Philip Rivers' kids is the oldest, Derek Carr and Lord Farquad. Oh. Okay. The Browns actually had a very good draft once you get past doubling up on the quarterback,

which if you're looking at value per pick, which at least one, person in the room was because this felt like a frankenstein draft where everybody in the room each had their own favorite pick and then that's what they went with including the owner um if you're looking at value analytically speaking getting the most highly valued player on the board at that point in shadur later in that round in the in the draft does make sense i'm also actually way higher on dylan gabriel than i think the general consensus is no i'm not saying oh he's going to go out so are the browns I said, no, I'm not saying he's going to go out and become like a starter, but I think this kid can play. And I think the only bias really that we have against him is his size, which is a fair bias to have.

But when I was talking with people last year about a story on left-handed quarterbacks that I did for the athletic, he was getting rave reviews from NFL people for the way that he can excel in a timing offense, the way he can move and distribute the ball. And specifically, conceptually, that Oregon offense is very similar in a lot of ways to a spread out version of what a lot of systems do. in the NFL right now. And so that's what I think Kevin Stefansky specifically identified in him. And I think that Kevin Stefansky and Shador Sanders

together also raised Shador Sanders floor. I do think that overall they had a really, really solid draft. I loved the Carson-Sweshinger pickup. A lot of teams had their

eye specifically on where he would go. And a couple of teams were ready to try to come up and get him. Harold Fanon Jr. is an absolutely phenomenal, like,

unicorn type of player who could really succeed there. So whoever picked those guys should be in charge of the whole operation. Don't know who it was. Whoever it was that picked specifically those two players. I think we could say it's Andrew Barry. Should be in charge.

We'll say it's Andrew Barry. The Derr might have been on it. But we'll never know. We may find out in five years and, you know, Jimmy Hasl won't be like, yeah, that was actually on me. And I'll take the blame for it where you just don't know how literally the first thing we saw on the draft was Jimmy Haslam looking directly over Kevin Safansky's shoulder on the draft room shot.

It was like a C. B.S interview. Yeah, he's like, he's overbearing in that capacity. But yeah, Harold Fandon was my tight in, too. And they get him at the 67th pick in the draft. And we'll see what the, you know, as we get a billion people in a quarterback room. But I, I know who's fun to add to this. DJ?

I hope a DJ is. You know who's fun to just add to this whole offensive mix? Deontay Johnson. I can fix him. He is now a Cleveland Brown. And no fifth year option, by the way, for Kenny Pickett, not a surprise. surprised. I personally don't think Kenny Pickett will be on this roster come week one. Maybe Joe Flacco won't be on this roster. One of those two won't be on this roster would be my guess.

I guess the Kirk Cousins thing is never going to happen. You say one of the quarterbacks, one of the rookies will be starting. No. I would guess Pickett or Flacco starts and Gabriel and Shadur are both two and three. But they could go the other way and just go four across, which teams have done. They have another first round pick next year. They're also doing the thing where they're maybe not necessarily trying to win right now. They're not intentionally tanking. They're building like a young core of really exciting traits forward guys. I guess I should call it timeout here, but we don't have to go around, but time out.

They, they, that was quick on the glass there. Good job on the keys there. So I feel like that that this is like, okay, we're building out the new era of what our offensive roster and some of what our defensive roster is going to look like. And we're not really fixated on quarterback right now. a position that absolutely has to win you games, if you're just going to sort of manage that position and develop players in the short term, 2026 is when I think they'll actually try to go about solving their quarterback. I hear you, but they just gave a quarterback contract to Miles Garrett.

Denzo Ward, not a young player. Joel Botonio very much at the end of his career. Jack Conklin still on this roster. Like Wyatt Teller, like nothing about this team build is cohesive or makes a lot of sense and I think it could all add up to a team that's better than expected just because Kevin Stavansky is a pretty good coach and who knows there are decent players on this team

but it's just crazy to me that I saw Tony Grosy and he's covered this team forever and the way they're covering Shadur there and this is locally the team that the guys that actually know the team is like what are the odds of Shudor starting week one and they think it's like a decent amount and I'm thinking like

well then why didn't you take them in the third round. Like, I don't think it's that much of a chance of him starting week one, but I guess he has a chance. I would think it'd be less, actually, than Dylan Gabriel, and certainly less than Joe Flacco, but who the hell knows? I don't know. It's kind of a

sneaky old team in parts. Like, the offensive line's incredibly old. Yeah, I agree with you, but I think you you're going to have to develop your skill guys, and then you figure out what assets you can still recoup if you need to go younger on the other side of the ball, too. And, like,

miles get people were willing to go and trade for miles garrett this year right what said what says that like oh you don't have the same conversation next year even with the big the big contract if you decide you are really going to rebuild the entire thing because you're going out and getting a quarterback i just want them to have a set uh like a two wide receivers two tight end formation where the two receivers are dante johnson and jerry judy and then you have in joku and harold fanon that just seems bonkers to me but i'm i'm i'm down with it. That's like a AT&T bar like slowly going down. I don't know what that is, but I like it. If Deontay Johnson wants to play football, we'll see. I can fix him. Let's go to our final division. It's the AFC West and Patrick, you've got two teams here. So I'm going to start with you. Yeah. Let's go with the Los Angeles chart. Absolutely. I just drove past the bolt. It's a spectacular facility right there adjacent to my neighborhood where we saw them at explosive players in the first two rounds. Umarion Hampton comes into the backfield along with Najee Harris now. And I know that the fantasy community is going to be a little bit

frustrated by that and trying to pick one. Trey Harris out of Ole Miss, we talked about this during our Jackson Dart discussion a few weeks ago where you didn't really see a lot of what Trey Harris could do because he was limited by the offense that made it developing, right, like finding an opinion on Jackson Dart was difficult because you saw Trey Harris catch hitches and like deep posts and that was it but he's got the speed and explosion that was really lacking from this Chargers offense over the past year where everything was ladd it was all lad in the playoff game he goes off but the big concern while they did add speed in that aspect up front they wait until the sixth round they get

Branson Taylor out of Pittsburgh, and I know every team is not the Houston Texans in the playoffs, and they're going to tee off on Justin Herbert, but there has to be some plan to protect the franchise. Yeah, I thought their interior line, even though they added Andre James and Mackay Beckton, I thought they'd do more this offseason. That's probably the one part of the roster. I saw that Daniel Popper, who writes about them for the athletic, thought this was the most complete Chargers roster at this point of the offseason that he's seen. And he thought the one spot is interior offensive line that probably feels a little unfinished and maybe they'll add some people. And I would say that is a really shaky place to have as one of your more unfinished parts of

your roster, especially if you want to run the ball and protect the quarterback the way that the chargers need to. And with Mackay Beckton, I think we all want to see Mackay Beckton be successful for the long. Right. And to be fair, they have the guys they had last year and more. You know, they added a couple people. Yeah. To me, though, it sort of seems like they took the strategy of like, okay, this running back is incredible and huge, which, by the way, have you guys seen the pictures of Omari and Hampton arriving at the bolt? I mean, there's some forced perspective, I think, happening there,

but like, that dude is massive. And I love how, you know, they went heavy at receiver to help Herbert. They took Jeremiah's guy, Keandre Lambert Smith, who I had never heard of, but was really high on Jeremiah's board. They took him in the fifth round at Arrondi Gadsen, who's like fast, like it's a lot of fast. Yeah, a lot of fast and some size,

and especially at their skill positions. but they built that first before addressing some of the needs legitimately. I mean, we have to see how some of these ads and free agency work out for them. And zero Michigan players. That's true. Everyone just assumed that they would take off because

didn't happen. I will talk about the former world champion, Kansas City Chiefs, but they're still recent champions, reigning AFC champion. I thought it was an amazing draft for them.

Now, it might be because I'm Ali Connolly-pilled. And he just loved Omar Norman Lott more than like any random player in this draft, the second round pick that they took that didn't have a ton of snaps at Tennessee, but just seemed like he could be a difference maker in terms of helping your team stop the run. They take him in the second round. And then I know Josh Simmons has some medical red flags, but if you took the guy with the highest ceiling as potentially, future left tackle, man, that's exactly what they needed. I think they've had a really nice

offseason quietly. Their running back room lacks a little juice. But when I look at this roster, I think their number one issue is just how hard it is to be the Kansas City Chiefs year after year. Like if they're tired of just being this good and the expectations, because otherwise, like, I actually think the roster on balance is in a better spot than when they won the Super Bowl, for instance, three years ago. I think we're going to be looking. I really like Noel Campbell. I like that the Chiefs and Spags picked him up.

I feel like we're going to be looking at this secondary, even this year, maybe a little bit down the line and say, how the hell, when did that guy get there? You know, because he's just one of those people. I think, okay, Breschard Smith is so chiefs-coded of a pick. He's a former receiver. He's a one-year starter at SMU. He's a former receiver.

and then he had 1,977 all-purpose yards in 2024, which only ranked behind Ashton Janty, Cam Scadaboo, and Omari, and Hampton. Seventh round running back. And they sold him, seventh round running back. Yeah, that's a good point to bring up that I should have started with. The coordinator there, Rhett Lashley, he sold him on coming to SMU because he wanted to turn him into Isaiah Pacheco. So this is like such a chief's coded pickup.

And again, similar, I like Noel, Noel. a lot that was my second favorite pick this brashard smith pick was i'm really intrigued and interested to see what the chiefs ultimately get out of him and to to have the potential that he has and not a lot of wear as a running back wood on his body i think is important and and hopefully he's able to contribute but the fact that it took to the seventh round where they take ceh early a long time ago yeah relatively and it seems like the idea is oh we can find a guy and you have to scramble to get Kareem Hunt off the couch because you just didn't invest in the position, I feel like they still need to.

Yeah, but they do have a history. You like Noah Williams, who's a third round cornerback, and they've been really good nailing those mid-round picks. And then Ashton Gillette, the edge that they took, seemed like he was a player that was pursued by a couple of teams. I think the Jaguars liked him. I believe in that article, it kind of mentioned how the Rams were possibly high on him as well.

And they got him. So we'll see. They need some edge help. You got the Broncos, Jordan. Yeah. I mean, I think it's really amazing how much more logical and settled a team strategy looks once they have the quarterback position figured out. So the Broncos went from like a laughing stock of a team build in the Wilson Hackett rendezvous and the Roger, like the Rogers attempt and then the Hackett like brief era to this like well oiled and ascending team that added strong

pieces to an already badass group and still kept building for the quarterback. And it strikes me that, oh, wow, it is the same general manager there in George Payton. And I don't know where the hell opposing quarterbacks are going to throw with Pat Sertain, Riley Moss on the outsides, and now Jaday Barron, likely in the slot. And they have an ascending pass rush and a great offensive line. I really think this is a team to firmly watch and put in contention alert in 2020. I wanted more weapons. You can't get everything there.

You know, I know they took Pat Bryant in the third round, which for a lot of people was surprising. Illinois, I saw Field Yates had that as his most surprising pick of the entire draft, but it sounds like a player that the league was higher on than the draft next. I love their running back pick, another player that the league was higher on than the draft next. RJ Harvey.

He's quick. He has explosive playability. He's so shifty. He makes guys miss. The knock on him was that he's not the best in past protection, but you do have a quarterback who can move in Riley Moss. And actually, RJ Harvey's a former quarterback. So I think everything says about that, that

this guy will get better at pass pro because he's thinking about that infrastructure like a quarterback would. Today, Barron was, in my opinion, like looking back at the draft, just too good of a player to pass on, despite like any hope of improving on offense, why not build on the strength on the back end

and a very, very talented. Secondary where a lot of the things people are wondering why they didn't draft, I feel like they addressed a lot of those needs in free agency as well, where this team is, I guess, going to be a contender. They like their wide receivers better than, I think, the outside does.

So it's Cortland Sutton. It's Marvin Mims. Maybe if the board had fallen differently to them, they would have moved up or done something, but they did have Matthew Golden on the board. But I applaud that ultimately they just looked at Jaday Barney. I think it was less of a need. They have Jayquan McMillan there, and they're just basically upgrading at that spot. They have like six good defensive back.

So you're going to need it with injuries, and they're just set up for it. But you got to applaud them to kind of doing what the team say that they're going to do and usually don't, which is I think they just stuck with like this player is more special than the other players. Tiny bit of news, the dry green loss suffered a quad strain reports out of Denver via multiple outlets say that he's going to be ready for the 2025 NFL season will not need surgery. But the injury was initially reported by Jen Chan at NBC Sports Bay Area. She does a great job. So just wanted to shout her out.

You do worry. that was a high risk, high reward pickup and free agency. All right, let's wrap it up with the Raiders. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Get Pete now free from Schneider who wins the power battle in Seattle, ultimately. But they get, again, for the second year in a row, one of the best three players in college football and Ash and Gentie, a year after getting Brock Bowers, they come back with Jack Bess, who, you know, notably, of course, went to the tragedy with his brother being killed in New Orleans. on that horrible day, but also went down to Mobile and had a spectacular performance at the senior

bowl. He's a bigger wide receiver where I do wonder if there's going to be some route redundancy with Brock Bowers. And it kind of puts, uh, Trey Tucker, I'll notice because Jacoby Myers is going to get a lot probably of attention from Gino Smith as well as Brock. It's also kind of a, it has been like a big slot, which is essentially what Jack Bess is to. Yeah. But this is their new guys. They need to replace the old guys. And, you know, some concerns up front, but they do have veterans. Jackson Powers Johnson has played a lot of football. Alex Kappa has as well where you just, it may be the Gino effect and maybe I'm biased there,

but I believe, I believe in this roster the way it's currently constructed. I believe in the offense, man, the defense, like Pete Carroll and Patrick Graham have an uphill battle. In theory, your defensive line is awesome, but Christian Wilkins and Malcolm Coons are coming off major injury. So you're just hoping they're the players they were before. And in the back seven, I would argue, is as question mark filled as any team in the league in terms of the linebackers in the secondary. I really am intrigued and excited to see what the combination is though of Patrick Graham and Pete Carroll. Because schematically, they don't run the same things. Historically have not run the same types of things. But together, knowing that you are

going to have to scheme up some of the pressure, you are going to really have to scheme up some of the coverage shells that you present on the back end. I just think we're going to see some really interesting creative stuff out of this defense because you're going to have to, because the talent deficit still appears to be there. And on the offensive side, I think the same thing rings true as well. I think they go out and get Ashton Janty and specifically hone in on a receiver like Jack Beck, who is kind of that power slot, as Nate Tice would say, or that sort of bigger-bodied or smaller tight-end but bigger-bodied receiver. And I think we might see this team do a version of what we always would joke about when

some of the Shanahan people would go heavier personnel, which is running 11 and a half personnel instead of either 11 or 12, using a couple hybrid players to be heavier personnel in terms of the physical makeup, but then also have players who can do a couple of different things and block and pave the path for Ashton Janty, who they're going to, defenses are going to have to account for. They still have Michael Mayer on that team, too, who was most people's TE-1 two years ago and certainly can block. And I hope they keep them because I think he still, he showed something as a rookie. They took a couple late round, like third round tackles rather, or offensive lineman, Charles Grant and Caleb Rogers.

Good job by our guy, John Spitech. He gives up the three for Gino Smith. But then after all those trades, he still ends up with three third round picks. And two fourth round picks because he just kept moving down and getting a bunch of mid-rounds in a good deep draft. Love it. And if you guys will indulge me, I do want to take a second to shout out my absolutely fantastic co-worker, Vic Tafer, at the Athletic. And he's been covering the Raiders for a long time. Fifteen years. Covered their transition from the Bay Area into Las Vegas. He is moving off the Raiders beat as of this week, and he's moving over to 49ers coverage still with

the athletic. He lives in the Bay Area. His family's in the Bay Area. So he never, he's basically covering the team, traveling a lot. Vic, I know you're drinking a whiskey right now. And I really appreciate your mentorship and your coverage. That's a tough team to cover. A lot of stuff's happened. But he's one of the best to do it. Yeah.

And one of our favorites and multiple-time guests, Tashon Reed, will be still covering them for the ratings. Yes, he will. They are covered well. That's it. We covered the entire league. We did it. AFC and NFC.

We did it. Congratulations, guys. Thanks for having it. That's it for this week. I mean, you wouldn't expect more, frankly. We will be back next week. I don't know what we're doing. My mind is totally fried, but we will be doing things.

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