NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Power Football, Creed, and ‘What's more likely?’

Episode Date: May 19, 2016

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Lindsay Rhodes –  break down the latest stories from the NFL, including Jalen Ramsey’s knee injury and if power football is making a comeback. Then the heroes discuss the Around the NFL edition of the Top 100 players of 2016 before wrapping the podcast playing “What’s more likely?” Plus, is it a Creed song?Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the Around the World. Round the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room Failed with Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, Lindsay Rhodes, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys, and girl? Hey, Dan. And girl. Hello.

Hi, Lynn. I enjoyed being in the middle of the introduction that time instead of like, here are the guys. And Lindsay's here too. You know, that's a showing of respect that you're part of the family here. You've been made. Like one of the gang. It was also, Dan, prioritizing you.

over his own boss, which is a terrible, a terrible move if you're an employee at this company. Not a good move. You're looking at it strangely. I actually had it. Dan knows this because he hosts a show. I had it built into my contract, my new contract recently. I have to be listed last. I'm like John Slattery on Madman, you know, the special, I want to be last.

You either want to be first or last. I'm glad that that's how they've forced you to think about it. It was a slight. Lindsay joins us, of course, this is, you know, just for fun, Linz does this, and we appreciate it. But Lindsay is the face of NFL total access on five days a week. That was a dramatic pause. 7 p.m. Eastern.

Let's just say NFL meeting. He's like, what's the name of the show? Yeah, that's what it was about. But a great program, TA. Some would say flagship called the flagship program. Thank you, Wes, of NFL Network. And Lynn's hosted so you can check out five days a week. But the reason why Lindsay comes on this show is because she needs that release.

She doesn't like to be tied down by the corporate mongers that, you know, keep her on script and don't let her really speak her mind. That's what the podcast is for. True or false, Lindsay. Yeah, nobody's asking me my opinion on Total Access. Wow. You get opinions in, though. You got an idea. But you got to steer the ship.

It's a little tighter. Yeah. Here it's just like, no rules. It's like a rock and roll party in here. Foot loose and fancy free. Oh, rock and roll parties. Back. Linz has been going a little wacky this off season.

I've noticed with like the what's trending wall or whatever that's, what is that called? I like the what's trending wall. In what way have I been going? No, I'm just saying you've been, you've been letting it all out. Back it up. A lot of personality. It's good. This is what happens.

It's not backing anything up. A defiant boss. Forces into his contract to be brought up last. He was announced last and now he's going to put us in our place. Yeah, all of us. We were on TIA with Lindsay and she just takes control. Greg, I disagree again. Actually, Greg and I were not on TA together.

Intentionally? No. No, Greg made his appearance with Dan, and I didn't get to be a part of the segment. That was for legal reasons. I was distraught. You, like, 20 seconds before it started, you just, like, yelled out, like, go, Greg, whoa! In the middle of a quiet studio, I appreciate it. See, normally I yell, don't sock.

But Greg's ego, couldn't handle it. But, well. It's just too fracked. He wasn't right. You know, it was his first time. And then they ended up picking on his sock, so it. I felt it unraveled quick. It was exactly.

Yeah. This is the Thursday edition of the Around the NFL podcast, sponsored by no one. Nice show today. Love this show. Solid B. I'm going to give it this show. Pregrade. You said you love it, and then you lowered the pregrade.

I just want to lower, I had a boss once that told me, you know, lower, you know, set the expectations at a certain level than exceed those expectations. Well, where was that thought for the previous podcast? I don't know. Have you just been handing out to? too many draft. I gave out an A-minus, yeah. I gave it an A-minus pre-grade for yesterday's show, and I wasn't happy with it.

So I'm lowering it at the bar a little bit. A big show today. We are going to get into the, you know, Top 100 has been a little bit maligned around these corners the last couple of weeks. So what we want to do, instead of talking about the NFL Network Top 100, we're going to talk about a little scientist pop between Chris Wesley and Greg Rosenthal.

They are also unveiling their top 100. under its mark you're also here uh yeah with me i think it says it speaks volumes um so i'm curious about how that's even going to happen are you going to list off 100 people's names no well we're i guess uh the scientists are going 10 at a time as well um and they are through uh number 70 just like the or 71 just like the NFL network so it's kind of a little cute exercise here in may how dismissive calling you a cute little exercise oh it is yeah it is well i think dismissive is how and I feel we were absolutely removed they replaced us with mjd and ike taylor which makes sense former football players what is that about by the way we couldn't have a top 100 you should take that

up with ali bomb purry or is mark would call him bomb party don't need more work mark yeah mark suddenly asking for more work in the off season for an entity that he rails against and keeps them up at night that's true literally well he's made it's all two sides of the fence sessler because the top 100 list is the list of the players created by the players. So maybe the MJD and Ike thing was like you can get in the head of the players and make your list more predictive. Yeah, well, I've seen what's in MJD's head. It's a lot of UCLA players and players that he played against.

All right, Greg. Wow. Greg all fired up today. We're also going to bring back one of our favorite games. What's More Likely? Yes, yes, yes. The game in which we, you know, throw out two scenarios. and then you decide which one's, you know, more likely.

What an excellent explanation. Fun game, fun game. And also, we're going to hit a bunch of items, and it's not going to be, usually we do the news, but there's not a lot of news out there right now. So this is actually something a segment we're going to call odds and ends. Odds and ends, it's odds and ends. It's time for some odds and ends.

Get excited for some odds and ends. Was that planned? Was that like, did you guys brainstorm for ways to get into odds and ends? It's safe to say we didn't brainstorm. That was a tear below your Kmdice anthem, which is a true hit. Well, I enjoyed it. A little ragtime? Thank you, Wes.

I wanted to hear what it sounded like before. I didn't get a chance to hear it. Scott Joplin and I were neighbors. But I was keeping the Irishman very busy before the show with a lot of work. I enjoyed the fact that your musical stylings did not feel ragtimey at all. Well, let me try it again because that was literally the first time I heard it. Odts and ends.

Yeah. Odds and ends. Everybody loves some odds and ends. Here comes some odds and ends. Oh, yeah. That was Wes with the... That was different. Finger snap.

And that sounded exactly the same. I think you need to employ your Charlie Cassily voice for that song. And this is the new Jimmy Fallon. He's just asking everyone, you know, find me some segments where I can sing. I got to go viral, baby. All right. Here we go. So I'll do it ends.

And we'll start with actual news. It's the only real news item from the last time we joined you, the audience, on Wednesday. Yesterday. Jalen Ramsey, the cornerback of the Jacksonville Jaguars, drafted fourth overall in the 2016 NFL draft. Terrible news. You know, terrible. We don't know how serious it is at this point. But a small meniscus tear in his knee, the team announced on Thursday,

Ramsey seeking a second opinion of the third. thought at this time according to rap sheet is that Ramsey will be ready for the start of training camp and you know of course this is the same Jaguars team and it's wild that one year ago last May it was Dante Fowler

the number three overall pick who tore his ACL in their literally their first rookie minicamp practice and now Jalen Ramsey goes down maybe Mark just maybe the Indian burial ground is not in Brea in Cleveland but

in Jacksonville well we just want to hope that the severity of it is minor that he can come back by training camp because that really derailed I thought a very hopeful draft and offseason for Jacksonville last year and that there's even all that much more hope this time around and when they talk about Jalen Ramsey they talk about someone that could in in time be a Dion Sanders like player so you don't want to delay that and honestly for the franchise you just hope that he's back and for the player, too. It was meniscus tearing off the bone that caused Miles Jack to fall. This is the same thing in meniscus.

And I thought this quote was good as from a scouting director last year talking about micro fracture surgery. It depends how big the tear is. Is it the size of a dime or the size of a 50 cent piece? If it's a 50 cent piece, that's when you better be worried. And this, Ian described this as a small tear. So as long as it doesn't tear further, it seems like he should be fine for training. Who knows though?

It's a sec. Whenever they're getting a second opinion, that's a bad sign. That means they're looking for an opinion that's different than the first one that they got. Well, wouldn't they do that with any situation, especially a first one thing? Not if it's a routine arthroscopic. I'm going to be back in four-week surgery. Everyone's saying, okay, well, he's hopeful to be back for training camp, and I'm getting tweets. Oh, it's fine. You were very annoyed by people suddenly playing doctor on Twitter.

Well, people were tweeting. Well, it's not a major surgery. What do you know? You don't know anything. Everyone's back. Everyone's going to be ready for training camp. in the middle of May and then training camp rolls out and half of them aren't back but there's no big story about it then so you don't know you know maybe he's fine maybe he's not the one good

thing the jaguars have a lot of cornerbacks relatively they still have even though they have colvin suspended early in the year they still have three cornerbacks who have started a lot of games but that's good i mean that's fine that's good if this ends up like ruining his rookie year or you know really setting them back and in timing it's just it's a dreadful news whether they have depth or not they need this guy to be a star to take this defense to the next level Looks like the bills have some competition for worst week ever Good point Good point

All right moving on Chris Wessling Oh Marron What a writer What a personality, what a talent What a success in the online dating world Everything's turning up Chris Wessling lately And he delivered a Really cranked up your online dating by the way

It was time Yeah It's almost like you wonder like Sizzler Like where's Wes getting this money Well that's my question Cat got your tongue what happened there? You know, I don't want to get into it. We're on a podcast.

I feel like the last time I was on, you were happily dating someone. Oh, that's true. You've broken into a high school or something on one of your dates. Everything went well. We were together for a couple of months, and she's moving to Minneapolis. Okay. Actually, that was, it's time to jump back in. You bring that up because didn't you reveal a bit too much when Lindsay was on?

Did you? That led to some issues with that woman. Led to no issues. We were doing great until she got, until she decided that she had to. to move to Minneapolis. She worried that you shared too much that day. Come on, Wes. Think back.

And we're sure she's not just trying to get away from you. Dan brings up. Nobody would do that. Why would you say that? Dan brings up a good point, though. The privacy thing. No, she's moving. Everything went delightfully.

For a job. So about the Titans and the Cowboy. Well, no, I mean, my only concern because Wes is successfully netting three to five dates a week and we are learning about it that there has been a constant stream of complaints about Wes's bank account. It's not cheap when I've asked you, you're paying for a large portion of this, and you

don't exactly have a large yes tucked away. How are you paying for this? What are you doing to finance the dating? It is the million dollar question. How are you affording this? A man that often is cited his bank account as being an issue. He went to a French restaurant, I believe. My annual

bonus is going to love. We hope. It's a good investment. It's good, though. I feel like it's the best investment we're happy for wes he's in the pool he's in the pool two feet your support means a lot all right but all this was a way of getting to that west dropped the hammer this week uh talking about the potential return or the imminent return perhaps of power football and the idea chris wessling i'll tee up here that in an era where everyone seems to have a passer rating of you know 90 to 95 and it seems to be all about the quarterback in the the passing game that there are some

some teams that are zigging while others zag. The NFL is cyclical when you see something succeed. It's a great quote from Michael Lewis, the moneyball author, that the football field is a tightly controlled economy. If you take away from one spot and give them to another, and I think what teams are doing now where sub-packaged cornerbacks are so small and you have six or seven defensive backs on the field, teams like the Titans and Cowboys and Rams, and we saw the bills last year. The Seahawks, Panthers have done this, get bigger, move them off the ball, run the ball,

and I think that this will work. I think it is running counter to what a lot of people are doing, and it's a hold that teams can exploit. I think that football history, if you look at it, is a series of adjustments. And so nothing goes one way for too long. And so, like you said, with all these five, six defensive back fields out there and a lot of light defensive backs, and that's why you see guys who were safeties now playing linebacker, someone's going to start just trying to push them around. It doesn't mean that passing game that you can win necessarily without the passing game

or that that's going away, but it makes a little sense. It's part of why I think the Patriots in 2010 was a team that people copied a lot because of the two tight endsets and pushing people around. It seems also that with offensive lines are, they're struggling.

I think that developing power offensive lines, lines is not as easy as it used to be, which creates more quick passes. There's more pressure on the quarterback. But obviously, a return to the run game just, to the idea that was never going to come back again, that you were right that running backs were getting paid like kickers and punters. But all of this is a four to five year trend. You don't see stuff. Certain things just continue to grow. Like, we're going to see more of an air game all the time. But the idea of the run game is just going to go away for the rest of our lifetime as fans. Please. Who are the teams, Wes, that you actually see?

really like diving in here feet first like you in the dating pool in Los Angeles where they're actually it's not just offseason trope talk it's we're actually going to do this and become a power running team with a cowboys are going to French restaurants they did in 2014 with that mammoth offensive line in DeMarco Murray and now they have Ezekiel Elliott and they've added Lyle Collins to that line in the last two years I think they're going to succeed they're going to run more than 50% of the time the Titans have made it clear that they're going to do that. They have three first-round draft picks at offensive line in the past four years. And then they go out and sign to Marco Murray, draft Henry. I think that's going

to be, that's their MO, push people around and keep Marcus Marietta from getting hit too much. And I think the Rams, too, they drafted five offensive linemen last year and Todd Gurley, who is their offensive focal point. I think those three teams, to me, look like they're definitely going all in this year on the power running game. Very good. You can check out Wes's full piece. Does it have a vanity URL? Not that I know of. You can check it out at NFL.com

slash Wesleying. W-E-S-S-E-L-I-N-G. Thank you, Dano. Bang. All right, moving on. Here we go. Let's talk about something else in odds and ends.

That's the name of the segment if you were unaware, Greg. Yeah, I remember the song. Both versions. Do you need to hear it again? No. You don't? Never again.

Okay. Oddenance. You might hear it. Actually, if Lindsay says, And actually, we want to give it a shot, Lindsay sings. All right, let's. I could. Yeah.

Actually, why don't you just let it percolate a little bit? And at the end of the segment, we'll close it out with the jingle. Oh, sure. Yeah. Okay. Juicy. Let's move on. Kirk Cousins, the Washington Redskins quarterback, sent out a tweet today that almost immediately blew up in social media over a thousand retweets and likes after like an hour.

The tweet was as followed or as follows. Thank you. I heard it both ways. Today, the At Creed greatest hits album was played during the Team Lift. Today was a good day. And I just, I want to get into this just a little bit because if you remember back in last season, late last season, it was the Panthers who talked about Creed and we learned about Greg. Creed bombing, which went like this, when you are with me, gets close to somebody's face. And then you go, I'm free.

I wish people could have That was a sort of visual demonstration Yeah So Creed was kind of in the national consciousness Or at least the NFL consciousness And now it's back And there's a theory here So I have a theory here

Hear me out Creed is terrible Everybody kind of agrees That was bad music Turn of the Millennium People didn't know You know what to do next And rock music

So Creed popped up And limp biscuit and bands of that nature 15 years ago Let's go back 15 years ago let's go back 15 years I was a college student at the time and at that time and Greg maybe you can relate

Greg almost out of the room by now Greg hates a day's podcast Whenever you try to creed bomb me I try to get far away as possible Come back to me But 15 years ago when you go to bars The ironic kind of fun music To listen to was like 80s music

So like you would hear like Bon Jovi Ripping at the bar and everybody would sing it Or don't stop believing by Journey I think now for the millennial set and you know this might be an indictment of the poor millennials it's not their fault but creed has become that type of music uh first of all that is my hypotheses lindsay your thoughts well i think it's a strong hypothesis yeah isn't that um like the running man song i'm blanking on it is that my boo what i don't i don't know what you're talking about

shut up i'm not going to sing it i literally don't know i don't know any creed songs either i don't I don't think people really do it. There's like one creed. My point is that that's a throwback also. Right. People have kind of brought back sort of a sarcastic way. But Dan presented this theory to one millennial David Ealy on our desk, and he completely shot it down. So that's probably.

He's pretty plugged in, too. Yeah. Ely lives on another planet, basically. Are you getting shot down behind the glass too? Yeah, that's right. We have a producer, Brandon McGinnis. I was shaking my head at Ely. Thank you.

Nice try, Greg. Sully and I downstairs. We're having quite a fun time singing to these. There you go. It's become fun sing-along music for the millennial set. Ely said that Blink 182 is that group, but Blink 182 was a band that was a little more respected in terms of what they did in the punk-pop realm.

I want to play a quick game before we move on with Lindsay. Okay. Well, I had a game too. Oh, you want to. But I think you should go first. We might be going down the same room. Okay. Here's my game.

Does Lindsay know if it's a creed song? That's probably not the same. Well, so it kind of is because I was going to see how many of the greatest hits. Okay. Because it was a Creed greatest hits album, which I don't think should be lost on anyone. No, of course. With 13 tracks. That's a lot of times.

Okay. Here's the game. And I was curious to see how many of those we could actually name. Very laissez-faire attitude for the greatest hits. Two fun Creed games in one podcast. But let's play this one for now, and maybe next time you're on, we'll play that. All right. You let me know.

Is this a Creed song? First one up, Brandon. It's been a while since I could. All right, just cut it right there. Lindsay? No. Wes? No.

Mark? No. Greg's like, I don't even want to be in here right now. No, no, no. I don't know. Who knows? No? Okay, yes or no?

I'll say no because the rest of the room did. The answer is, yeah, it's stained. You guys all got it right. Good job. All right. This is fun. Greg, are you okay? Okay with this game.

I'm good. Let's keep doing it. This is good. I didn't know I was playing. We're 1 and 0. Do you feel like a push-pull and Greg's pulling away? I think when you got an inch from Greg's face, we're shouting into his earlobe. You created some tension with your boss again.

I'm sick. I'm trying to keep you all healthy. All right. Next one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Lindsay says absolutely yes.

I'm going to say no, but I'm probably wrong. I'm going yes. Well, Lindsay's confidence makes it. Well, I'm actually rethinking my confidence, but my gut instinct was yes, so I'm going to stick with it. Although every singer from that era had that voice, but I'm going to say yes.

Should have been there on a Sunday morning banging my head. I'm sticking with yes. Yes. All right. The answer is yes, that is Crete. It seemed a little hard. They were like a hard rock man, usually. They attempted to do that.

They had some ballads, but next one. You remind me of what I really am. Let's get to the chorus of this one. Dan enjoying this in a completely non-ironic. Well, I think Dan and I both like this song in some of the years. All right. Lizzie. Creed, yes or no?

Oh. I've been down to the bottom. I'm going to say no. No. It's either Creed or Nickelback, right? It's not nasally enough. I'm going to go, no, it's nickel back. Mark.

No. I go no because Mark knows. Dan definitely misses this era. Wait. You're missing the point of the game. Just to play along and have fun, not trying to ruin it. Wait, does the ding mean that yes, it was Creed or that we're right? That you're right.

That is Nickelback. If you're wrong, you'll hear this. That is Nicolbach. For the record, Greg. What if we disagree? I don't like where you're going with this. What do you mean? I don't own any of these albums, but I grew up in this era.

All of us grew up and none of us knew these songs except you. By the way, everyone's doing well. Everybody knew that song. I'm undefeated right now. Will you calm down, Greg? What's going on with you right now? I'm calm. Tell them to relax.

That usually works. Relax? I'm just saying in general, if you tell someone to relax, they're going to have the opposite reaction. That is absolutely true. One more. Here we go. So hold me when I'm here, love me when I'm gone.

Hold me when I'm scared and love me when I'm gone. Everything I am. All right, that's enough, Lindsay. This is, by the way, this is the double bonus round. We're consulting on this one. Yeah, double bonus round. Well, Wes is very confident. He's nodding very confidently.

I know none of Creed's catalog, but that sounds exactly like something Creed would sing. I was going to go with no. My gut was to say no. Okay. Mark? I'm going with yes, it is. I'm going with yes because we've only had one Creed song so far.

That's a good way to approach you. Although Dan could be a good quiz master. Maybe. I'm not expected. All right, Brandon. Wes, this is for you and Greg. Yes, that was. Three doors down.

Well, all these bands are the same band. Good game, guys. Is that it? Well, they were. Okay, one more. One more. Lindsay wants one more. Here we go.

Oh, yeah. Yep, see, there's some creed. It's that nasal, like, that's what you need. This sounds like something Kirk Cousins would enjoy. One thumbs to want to open. It is such a Kirk Cousins thing to embrace Crete. However, the more that we go through this, I am seeing the sense of irony it's coming out.

It could be fun to listen to. I think your analogy was good. Thank you. I liked your hypothesis. I've bought in. Does everyone agree that's great? It's like us listening to Bad 80s music. And it just is funny.

Yeah, I agree it is. Yeah. That's with arms wide open. I mean, famously. The Redskins are. You did not know that song. Yes, we know that song. I mean, I've heard of it, but I couldn't have told you the name.

With arms wide open. No, with arms wide open, you knew it was Creed. Like, if that song had played, you would have been like, this is Creed outside of this game, right? Probably because Dan played it when he was doing. When we originally did Creed Bombing, I think that's the song, Dan. I've done that.

So, yeah, I would have known it from that. Anyone concerned about the Redskins as a team that they're lifting weights and going through their stuff with this in the background? Yes. Tumbling down the power rankings. That's an interesting take. Greg, do you want to?

Creed could be the undoing. of the Redskins. Do you want to save our final odds and ends for another week to keep things moving, or do you want to... Whatever you want to do. Are you okay with that? You're the host. Just to keep things moving.

Sure. Okay. That's it. That's it for odds and ends. Lindsay, hit it. Odds and ends. That snuck up on me. Don't break.

That was good. I love that Chris is dancing with me. Okay, thanks. That was good. Yay, there you go, whatever. Odds and ends by Lindsay. One little quick look behind the glass, the segment, the odds and end that got buried was a Greg Feet

So another slight from Dan towards Greg. This is getting ugly. You are such a brown noser. I'm just, I'm keeping a tally of these things. It's not brown nosing. Stinky Davis is Dan would say. You are being a stinky Davis, brother. Eddie Haskell, another ref for West.

Every scout calls a player Eddie Haskell. He's got a little Eddie Haskell to him. Really? I love that. That's interesting. Anyway, yes, Greg did a great piece on AFC West projected starter. and talking about the Raiders, but let's save that for when we have more time.

We'll have Raiders talk. Plenty of time. Oh, that's why you were asking him, not because he's the boss. I'm out of respect. Is it okay if I kill your peace? That's what that was. Bingo move is to just keep going.

No, but that was, again, and it's not, you know, oh, you're the boss, I got to suck up to you. It's like out of respect for you. I didn't want to just kill it without saying anything. I'm just glad that I figured out what was going on because I didn't want to have to think about the underlying, you and,

The good thing about this show is we leave nothing hidden. We discuss all of the nitty gritty. Did you know Mark doesn't wear underpants, for instance? That will know. No, just like that's an example. Everyone in England and Australia and Eurasia knows that now, thanks to you. Breaking news. Pangia.

All right, let's move on. Let's talk a little. Does this count as sexual harassment? I like that. I like where you're going. No, yes, towards me from you. That would be an amazing. Oh, I was thinking because I was here.

We talked about it at length. It's a multi-pronged sexual harassment from Dan outward. We talked about it at length in yesterday's show. I'm going to preemptively declare bankruptcy. Nobody can touch me. Yesterday's show, which you can find at NFL.com slash commando. All right, here we go. Moving on, the real Top 100.

That's what we're going to talk about now. Ooh. And, you know, the top 100 players of 2016 countdown is moving, moving forward over on the NFL network. You know, there are some issues that we have with it. So instead of, you know, hitting it like a punching bag every week, we want to unveil Chris Wesleyan and Greg Rosenthal who have been doing their own countdown as well.

And before we go any further, I just want to like check in with Lins for several years. You were the face of top 100 on NFL network. Now you've been deemed too important to do that. I don't know that that's just, you know, for the record. Kind of big time that it feels like, and now you're like, oh, I'm the TA host or nothing. I don't think there's been any deeming that's taken place. But anyway, the point being is that Lindsay used to be, I know what happened here.

Lindsay's like, you can have me on TA or nothing at all. And then she just drove off in her Ferrari. That's what happened. And they blinked. So Lindsay won that power struggle. Yeah. So anyway, so Lindsay used to host the top 100 NFL network. But now that she's not associated with the program,

she can really take some wild pot shots, I was thinking. So this is a perfect time to talk about the top 100 with Lynn's here. But yes, but let's go down. But it's time now. This is about the scientists. So let's do it. Let's head down the steps. It's time to go into the lab.

Let's go. Everybody come on down. Going into the lab. Who built these steps? Greg and West do all their work. Come on in. We built a brick by brick. They built this lab.

All right, here we are. We are in the lab now with Wessling and Rosenthal. This is like a college lab. Let's talk about... Larmy Tuntle's over in the corner. So you guys have revealed 30 as well, just like NFL Network. We've done 71 to 100 so far. Can I interject?

Sorry, totally off topic. You mentioned Larmie Tunsel. So I have that video saved as one of the videos on my phone because we recorded it during the draft because we knew it was going to get taken off right away. so my son likes to watch videos of himself so he sits there with my iPhone and scrolls through the videos and he has watched the Laramie Tunsel video so many times

and I just act like it's no big deal we don't know what that is and to a toddler it's wonderful watches it over and over and over again how old is he he's two okay 24 he has no idea starting him early so let's hope that that's not like you know I don't know planting itself in his brand Kind of a post-legal, you know, marijuana, California. Well, but to a two-year-old, the gas mask and the, you know, the sinister environment represents other issues.

There's a part of me that's like, is this inappropriate? Should I delete the, I should delete the video? Yes, that's the answer. But, like, should I take it away from him or just act like there's nobody's ill that he's watching a video? Keep treating it like a subliminal message. He has no idea what's going on. Just leave it at that way. That is a sidebar.

It is funny because your son and my son are close to the same. age and my son is now old enough where certain things scare him like i try to show him spider man on tv the other day and he was free he was like no no i feel like if my son looked at the gas mask because it is a little scary look in the gas mask especially when the plumes start pouring out of it my two children went through a short time period where my little pony was too scary for them they've moved beyond that but that had me very concerned all right let's okay let's the son is just a badass space. Yeah, that's what this is all about.

I don't even want to say that. All right, we're in the lab. Why are you calling my son a coward? We're in the lab here. And so you guys have revealed 30. Let's talk about where you guys have differed. Let's throw out a couple names. Greg, you get us going.

Somebody on your list that West either doesn't have him the same territory or vice versa. Well, it's hard to know what the rest of his list is going to be, although I do have it somewhere. Someone on my list that West did not. show the proper respect for. Let's see. That's easier to talk about his list and pick it off. It's weird how much we agree is kind of the problem. You have no Julian Edelman on your list,

and I don't think he's going to make it if he's not on that. Item number 84. We could do spoiler alerts here is Julian Edelman in your top 100 players. No, but I like him, and he was one of my final cuts. I chose to go with Jeremy Macklin. Who else did I have? And my last wide receivers were, I think, Emmanuel Sanders and Jeremy Macklin. I did not put either one of those in mind.

But they were in the mix. Wait, Julian Edelman didn't make your list? No. Why not? Injury reasons. He's always hurt. I love him when he plays, but the difference to me, this is why I had issues with Chris Ivory on the list.

For three or four weeks at a time. On the actual list. It's not on either one of our. Right. But for three or four weeks at a time, these guys are top 100 players. but to me, reliability is a factor. You know what's bizarre? I just noticed.

It's almost like you were copying my list. I would not have ever. Oh. We both had to Marcus Ware 75, and we both had a Denver Broncos cornerback number 76. But you had Chris Harris. I had Akib Talib. To you have Chris Harris higher than Akib Talib.

I do. He'll be on next week's cheating off the analytics site who don't respect cornerback. I mean, Talib face is the number one receiver. Harris is trailing around all these short guys. Wait, what, so, connect the dots for me. Is it keep to leave on your list? Yes, he's higher.

He's higher up, playmaker. David Johnson, number 77, talk about some love for David Johnson. I was surprised you didn't have him higher. I thought he was higher on West's list. No, I had him in the top 100, which for a running back that's only started three or four games in his career to say he's a top 100 player, I think to me that was, you know, there's not a big difference between the 90s and the 70s. They're all great players. I did put him on my list. That was me trying to give him some love,

and I like that you're the president of David Johnson Nation. I wouldn't want to have him higher than you. Someone on Twitter came after me for that, too, and I said, our job, I would be terrible at my job if I waited until it was obvious to everyone to make these calls. Of course David Johnson's good. It's never too early to crown these guys,

just like it was never too early to crown O'Dale Beckham. It's our job to know that they're good ahead of time. David Johnson, obviously, a very good football player. Kind of scares me how similar our lists are in some spots here. that I'm noticing. Carlos Dunlop. A lot of love for Carlos Dunlop. Sometimes you've got to have the sex appeal.

Carlos Dunlop. I see something like Greg's list. Yeah, well, you go first. Yeah, tell me your problems. Be careful. Greg is pretty fired up today. Rashad Jones was the best strong safety in the NFL, the best box safety in the NFL last season.

A playmaker and a guy who controlled the line of scrimmage should be higher on your list. Okay, he's number 95. He could be a little bit higher. He should be higher on the players list too. Was he even on it? I don't know, but he's been a disrespect. I don't think he makes it onto the actual.

Let's take a quick break here for Lindsay to take a pot shot at the NFL Network top 100 list. Go ahead, Lindsay. Oh, I don't have any pot shots. No. But I do have questions for you because so I dove into the real list right before we came up. Okay, and as I think I've established in the best of the show. Notice she calls it the real list. I tend to geek out with like lists and stuff like that where this is concerned.

I do. Okay, so for the running backs, the David Johnson thing, I think, is interesting because there are 10 running backs on the list, four that have already been revealed. So that means there's six still to come. So Adrian Peterson, Labion Bell, Gurley, those three are for sure, I think. Yeah. Since we've already seen Jamal Charles, which is bizarre, 75, now you're into a list of there are going to be three more running backs. And I'm not sure. They're going to give LaShawn McCoy the best.

Becoy and Doug Martin. Okay. So Shady and Doug Martin, and then who's the other one? Here are some names. It's not David Johnson, Matt Forte. Here are some names. I would be stunned if Daveh Forte's already been revealed. So is it Devante Freeman? Is it Latavius Murray?

Is it Lamar Miller? Like, that's the group of people we're talking about now. It's probably Devante Freeman would be the one. Wes and I both had Freeman between 90 and 100, I believe. So we both put him on our list. He's coming off a monster year. So Wes, more forward-thinking than NFL players. That's my conclusion.

And Greg as well, but in the David Johnson area. I have one major issue with Greg. Oh, please. Because I'm sure you have a good defense for it, but Blake Bortle is at 90. Come on, bro. So you think it should be higher or lower? You should not be out of the list at all? I love Blake Bortles, and I think he should be higher.

Absolutely. You're trying to tell me that Josh Sitton is more valuable than Blake Bordles. It's not the most valuable players. You always say this one. It is not the most valuable. It's the top 100. I think Blake Bortles is a better football player than Josh Sitton. He's not even on my list.

Well, he's not okay on my... Josh Sitton, for what it's worth, I wanted to throw a couple guards on it. He's one of the best cards on your list. Who, Bortles? No, Bortles is not on my list. Okay, he wasn't helping the Jaguars win games last year. As well, I mean, as much as I love his potential, he was an issue, as Dan has pointed out many times,

in the fourth quarter of games. Like, I have him as the 15th best quarterback or 13th. I have him ahead of Eli and Derek Carr. I actually thought I was being pretty generous with him, but you're comparing him to guys who are among the best at their positions. I would take him over Eli Manning right now. Yeah.

I put him on the savior. You have eight spots below Eli Manning. Okay, so here's my question for you to pull your list back to the real list. Because I know you guys enjoyed that last time. How dare you. Okay, so there are 15 quarterbacks, and it looks like there's 11 that have yet to be revealed. Okay, so we're acknowledging that Cam and Brady and Rogers and Rafflesberger and Breeze and Russell Wilson are all for sure.

Carson Palmer. There's six. Okay, so Carson Palmer, that's seven. Philip Rivers. MJD and Carson Palmer, 99. Philip Rivers is definitely on there. Philip Rivers is on it. So that's eight.

So now we have three more spots. Okay, we're going to put Romo on the list, right? The fact that he wasn't healthy doesn't mean. Although it wouldn't surprise me if the list forgot about him, but I would hope so. My initial list, I forgot about it. If they forgot Romo, then throw the whole thing out. Well, the players, anybody that gets hurt, usually they're forgotten.

They get dinged. However, the Cowboys quarterback is such a high-profile spot that I feel like he might be a guy, just how weird the list can be, that he might not get ding the way Andrew Luck does. And didn't he sort of prove his value with the way that they tanked once he got hurt? So you could make the argument that the argument was made even more strongly

than it ever has been before what Tony Romo means to that team and how valuable he is. Okay, so if he's on it, then that's nine. That means that there's two spots open. Let's just hit one. And you've got who? Andy Dalton. Yep.

Okay, so Andy Dalton. Who, by the way, is not on my list? Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Blake Bortles. Matt Ryan. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if Matt Ryan didn't make it. Well, with the way that they're voting in Jaguars, it could be Blake Bortles. I mean, Jaguars have been overvalued from head.

Oh, yeah, that's true. And I honestly think it's like towards Jacksonville voters. Top 100 Jaguars list. Matt Ron, you guys have Matt Ryan actually higher than I thought you both have them in the top. 80 or so. 80 or so. 70. But don't you, we've got,

I feel like we've gotten Greg into this debate before. You think he's, you know, right there top 10 quarterback in the league. He's probably right on the outside of it at this very moment. But yeah, I'm not just looking at last year,

which wasn't his best season. I think he's a better-than-average starting quarterback. I don't think the difference, if you just, everything is equal around them is that big a difference between Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer, for instance, if you're going into this season.

Palmer is a better arm. Yeah. I'm just saying, If you gave him the Cardinals, I think they're winning 12 or 13 games. Like, you've got to be able to look at everything that he does. I think he's a good quarterback. He's not a worst quarterback than he was three years ago when he led the league in completion percentage and threw for almost 5,000 yards,

and they went 13 and 3. But since then, their offensive line cratered, and last year they have one wide receiver. I mean, that's what's going on with Matt Ryan. My guess is he's none of the... Knowing the players, they probably voted Peyton Manning on again. What's weird, though, is that Bordels would be that much higher than Derek. car to me.

Oh, you find that weird? A little bit. Like if you're, okay, so we're just taking young quarterbacks now. Well, he's not, he's not on Wes's list. He's lower than Derek Carr and Wes is. No, Derek Carr is not on my list. Oh, neither one is on. I had them very close.

I had Car in Bortles 9097, but you're right. If Bortles is higher up, it's, it's interesting. I think there is a Jaguars boost. Yeah, I mean, there has to be. Alan Hurons got on this thing. Something smells. We're also, whoever is, whoever we're talking about here is going to 70 or higher

or lower, whatever. But that seems pretty high on the list for Blake Bortles. Well, if Dan was voting, and in this scenario, we've left Joe Flacko, former Super Bowl winner off. Well, and that's,

injury has to have played into that, but he always came in way lower than some people. He has been, I don't know why I wrote about this maybe last year. It was last year. He is a guy that's bounced all over this list. He's usually been either

off list or high up on the list in like the 80s to 90s except for the year we won the Super Bowl and all of a sudden he was like 20 or so coming off a knee injury and where he didn't have a nice season I don't think we're going to see Joe Flacco here personally anything else Lindsay I like you shepherding I do one more yeah okay so wide receivers there are 10 left that haven't been revealed and I think one of these only one of these four guys in my opinion is going to make the list I could be wrong okay Jordy the injury Alan Robinson Eric Decker, Randall Cobb. Well, Randall Cobb shouldn't make this list.

He's not one of the top 100 players. Are they putting Jordy on this thing? And he's coming off a bad year. I forgot it. This is a good examples. I did the list. I spent a ton of time on it. I went over it a billion times.

And I realized two weeks later that I forgot Jordy Nelson. And so now I'm throwing him in there and I had to take some poor guy off that would have been in the top because I had to do it. Jordy belongs there. But maybe they forgot about it. I can guarantee you, Alan Robinson will be on this list. It is the Jaguar-centric list. And he deserves to.

And Herns is already on it. Robinson will be in the top 50, I would think. But the other nine are Antonio, O'Dell, Julio, Hopkins. Amari? Amari's on the list, right? I don't think Amari Cooper will be on the list. AJ Green. I would think Jordy Nelson would be on over Amari Cooper.

Okay, then that might be one that goes. I'm not saying Amori Cooper shouldn't be on the list, but I would bet. Yeah, on your list? Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald's on the line He'll be on there Demarius Thomas Yeah

Brandon Marshall And AJ Green Yes Okay so then the only one So then that's eight for sure As we think And then the Amari one is a floater And then you've got Alan Robinson

Which you plug in there And maybe Jordan Not to mention Keenan Allen Who I believe was on this one's This week's for Wes I had Keenan Allen at 81 I got Keenan Allen coming up There is a spoiler

I love Keenan Allen I don't think we'll see Decker on this list But nice season, Eric, I love you. And the best-looking guy in the league. So he, everything is coming up, Decker. Very subjective. All right. Can't just declare that.

That's it for our top 100 segment. Top 100. It's the real top 100. Forget about the NFL network show. All right. Before we go, let's get into, yes, again, one of our favorite games. What's More Likely? And usually I like to start things with Mark, but Mark, do you have a football-related one?

Because we might want to, like, ease into the deep end. No, it touches on football. But you could go somewhere else first if you want to. Yeah, not as a slight just to kind of get a little warmed up. Lindsay hasn't been with us for a while. So why don't we start with Chris Wessling? What's more likely? What's more likely?

What's more likely? Wayward son, Ryan Fitzpatrick, vanishes into the wilderness never to be seen again by Jets fans. We're like prodigal son. Mark's like you're stepping out of my territory here, bro. Or wayward son, potentially, Mark Sessler, vanishes into the ether of next week's vacation,

never to be seen again by anyone associated with the ATN podcast. Right. Well. So either Sessler's gone or Fitzpatrick's gone? yes is the what's more likely that anyone notices or that they disappear wow wow oh i think we know the answer to that one we would notice if mark was gone you know anyway i think the metropolis of new york city cares more about fitzpatty if any of us if anyone said that other than lindsay though the wild eyes would be shooting at that person it's pretty clear that ryan fitzpatrick is easily

replaceable and mark sessler is not what what are we talking about as human being no as in their respective jobs oh right like they have a good option in gino smith we have no good option to you have a good you have a good option you can find a 33rd best quarterback in the league so by the way i could tell you first of all that's wrong uh i could tell you that what colin would be rooting for i can tell you that wow um Colleen is mark's friend does colin want you dead i think Colleen's more of a host type, and so she would want Dan to be found dead somewhere, not me. The answer is it's way more likely that I guess that Sessler disappears.

What? Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't going anywhere. He's going to sign with the Jets in the month. Ryan and that beard, I can see them hanging out in the wilderness. Things could go awry. We always say these things. Oh, Mark's never coming back. People always come back.

He's got a job. He's got a family to feed. Fitzpatrick, who knows? He doesn't like the Jets right now. By the way, ticketed largely for a staycation, so I don't know where you're expecting you to go. You told me you have two days or so

that you can go off on your own somewhere. Yeah, I mean... How does Mark pull off these deals? I'm really hoping that Mark gets through his vacation safely. Thank you. Or else. We'll remind you if I do. We're going to take a close look at this.

I'll throw it out here. What's going on over here? We've got Inspector Rhodes over here. Well, I'm just saying. What? This conversation will be scrutinized heavily. It's a little incriminating. Say something happens to Mark next week.

It's true. Colleagues go to jail. But it'd be like any listeners. I think Chris has been incriminated as well. Oh, sure. I put the seed in Colleen's head. It's a vast criminal conspiracy. Great way for the show to crash and burn forever.

What's more likely? All right. Mark Sanchez and Paxton Lynch team up on a 16-game poo-poo platter leading the NFL in interceptions by a team or Josh McCown and RG3 do the same thing. They team up and lead the league in interceptions

as a team. What's more likely? I've got to go to the Browns because they're worst players and they're going to have to throw the ball more. I'm giving the Broncos some credit in terms of playing some defense, running the ball, not having to trail by so much. I think you'd have to be nuts not to go with

RG3 and McCown because of who RG3 has been as a player post 2012. They don't have a good offensive line. There's not a lot going on with skill position players and they're going to be on the field a ton. I mean, their defense is going to be giving up all sorts of points. It's going to be passing down

situations where the Broncos, their offense could be fine. I think they'll be fine. I was going to go the same way as you guys because I think the Broncos are going to be one of those teams that is relying on a power running game. But Josh McCown, I think, is going to win this

job. Wow. And last year he only threw four interceptions. When he played, started five games with the Bears, he only threw one interception. I think he's a guy who takes care of the ball. Rhodes, he's shaking her head. I just don't see Josh McCown winning the job.

The way that they're talking about how Hugh is so enamored with RG3. It'll be. Everybody's enamored with RG3 until they see him in the preseason. And they bench him. You know, Josh McCown could be starting the year for the Jets. You know what worried me, though, if you think that there could be a fair competition. Hugh Jackson said he might decide the quarterback in the next couple weeks. How could you do that without any practice?

That means you got a favorite. You got a guy in the clubhouse. That's fine. And then we see what happens when RG3 plays in the preseason. He stinks up the joint and you can't possibly start him. Mark Sanchez is like, I can't believe him on the winning end of this in a collective opinion. Next up. What's More Likely?

Let's go with an AFC West theme here. What's More Likely, the Denver Broncos finish in last. place or the San Diego Chargers finish in first place. Saucy, Greg, saucy. I think this AFC West is very balanced and it's good top to bottom. All these teams are pretty good. The Raiders finish in first. No, the Broncos finish in last.

Broncos finish and last. Chargers finish in first. I think it's more likely that the Chargers finish in first because I think they're a more talented roster than commonly believed. I believe they lost like 10 games by a touchdown or less last year, which is just bad luck. They're better than people think. And the Broncos are too talented to fall all the way to last place, I think.

Even in a worst case scenario, kind of Murphy's Law Year. I'm with you on the Denver side alone. I don't see them finishing last. Although this is a division that you could say you don't have to go, you know, four and 12 to finish in last. It's fair. Denver could have a tough season and have quarterback issues or injuries and go seven and nine finish the point, Dan.

However, you know what? I like a little positive juju around the chargers right now. maybe the last season in San Diego they get off to a hot start and then it becomes like this whole buzz Save the Chargers, save the Chargers and there's a magic carpet ride and all of a sudden we look up

they're 10 and 5 going into Week 17. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Our former team of the... Wow. Well, Lindsay's an L.A. girl and she's always throwing heat down at San Diego. That is not true. Are you becoming a Rams fan now?

She's an anchor. I might be. I might be. My husband's a Rams fan and I feel like I can jump on board. Well, your son might be a Rams fan. Now my kid's going to grow up in a city with an NFL team. I might as well embrace it.

Was your husband a Rams fan before this move? He was around, yeah, when they were in St. Louis. The NFL changes the marijuana laws. Your son might end up playing for the larger team. Wes with the winner. That was a good one, Wes. What was your fan, your team growing up? I didn't have one.

You're just. I know that's weird. Jerno. Hardcore. Even as a child, hardcore anchor Jerno. Lindsay Rhodes. I must remain unbiased. Someday I might want to be a sports.

Wait, so did you answer the question? I didn't. I forgot the question. It was Broncos last or Chargers first? Well, your anti-chargers stance, I guess, put you in the San Diego thing. That's tough, but I don't think either one's going to happen. Well, that's, well, what's more likely the Chargers are first or the Broncos are last? That the Chargers would be first.

I'll go that. All right. Lindsay, you're up. What's more like that? Okay, mine's Top 100 related. Yes. Okay, what's more likely, JJ Watt becomes the first back-to-back winner of the top 100?

Or Josh Norman, with his many detractors in the league, is the highest ranked corner. Oh, and this is, of course, the real Top 100, you're saying? No, Greggs. Well, if it was Gregs, I would say it's, wait, what is the Norman side of it? That he's the highest ranked corner. Highest ranked corner. Wait, so who are the other options at Corner?

Peterson, Readerson, Sherman. Those are probably the ones. Norman's got a lot of positive buzz around him. I think the players are going to give him the nod. But it's just surprising to me how many players seem to dislike him. I agree with that. A lot of them criticized his toughness and other aspects of his game. Can we talk about Lindsay's interview with Josh Norman shortly before his release

where he looked like a guy that had been beamed down from Planet Mars? Do you remember this interview? You were sitting across from him. Every time you asked him a question, he was like, uh, yeah. Were you struck by how strange I'd interview us? Because watching it, and in the newsroom we were all a little bit like, whoa, what's going on? I thought he was an interesting personality, but I had never met him before. So I didn't really know what to expect, but I was, I was struck by the fact that he was, yeah.

I'll say, he was a lot nicer than I thought he was going to be. When you were on with Colleen and Greg and I, I think that you were saying that he was against the grain of what we would have thought coming out of that Panthers situation where everyone's going crazy with their ego and he was quite down to earth. He was super down to earth. He was one of the nicest guys that's come through the studio

in a really long time. And I was totally expecting him to be a massive diva. I thought he was going to float away. He really wasn't. Maybe I was alone on this. I mean, I remember being like, whoa. You're not alone. What is up with Josh Norman?

Where were we? He's got a wacky personality. I think, yeah, and so I didn't know what to make of it because there was a little bit more wackiness than I was expecting. I thought he was just going to be a little bit, I don't know, Richard Sherman-ish, kind of, I suppose, in his demeanor. I was projecting that, having. Yeah. He's sort of more in his own time zone. Like, he's in his own place.

So back to Lindsay's. He was much lighter than I expected him to be. I don't think J.J. Watt is going to be number one again because he had another incredible season, but it wasn't. like dominant at the level I feel like it would need to be to earn that type of distinction amongst the players so I'm going to say Josh Norman number one cornerback I'm going to say the players are going to vote Cam Newton number one overall and Patrick Peterson number one cornerback okay okay well so what's more likely you're more likely is neither that's the point of what's more

likely it's more likely that JJ Watt is not the number one I think so also because wait what no it's well he's so it's so it's more likely that Josh Norman's highest But he's not really supporting that. You're saying it's more likely Normans. Whatever. I just don't think JJ Watts can be number one. It's like my vote for the Chargers. Gotcha.

I go with Norman. I think it caps what was NFL Network's endless coverage of Josh Norman throughout the season. And the NFL Network also does not want the same person two years in a row. Although that's a hook, too. I agree. It's also a non-hook. I agree. I think it'd be Norman, although I do think Watt might be number one.

On one of our lists. There's a T. There's a... Oh, it's not going to be on my list, so that narrows, there you go. All right. What's more likely? All right, what is more likely? Jared Goff hits Los Angeles like a house on fire

and leads the Rams to a playoff berth, or the Rams implode in glorious fashion. Goff looks like the second coming of Rick Meyer. Jeff Fisher is exposed as a guy who just wanted to fast track buying a mansion in the Hollywood Hills, and GM Les Sneed, once he and Fisher are canned, wind up at NFL Network, making Sneed part of the only husband-wife duo to both have operated as NFL media personalities. Success or disaster?

Well, I know. You're putting us in a tough spot because I think disaster is more likely. But then you're also putting these very specific, horrifying things where we're being cruel to these poor people. Why? They all land on their feet. Jeff Fisher has a house in the Hollywood Hills Les Sneeds on television. I think in his heart of hearts, Jeff Fisher knows

this is not a perfect team and this is a team if a few things go wrong and with a tough schedule, they could be a six or seven win team and so I think things could go wrong. And Les Need doesn't view himself as, you know, a guy that should be seen as just another pretty face. He wants to be working

as a GM for 30 years. He would hate to be on the sidelines. That's a sad thing for it. You might have to have a, well, by the way, how about when When Michael Silver was in Rams' war room, and Sneed did his little look up from the keyboard and gave a little look. He knows what he's doing. He likes being on TV.

I just say he didn't like to be on TV. I think it's more likely that the Rams implode. Jeff Fisher is exposed as a guy who wants to fast-track buying a mansion in the Hollywood Hills and have a pool boy. Whoa, that just got weird. Yeah, I think it's more likely the Rams make the playoffs. I mean, I'm supportive of it, but I just didn't know that you were going to throw that in there. Too many variables.

He's got a back room with like a Cato Caelin like figure living. Oh, boy. Cato was a foolboy. He's a house case. Yeah, you've really ruined the, like, Jeff Fisher is happy to be living 10 minutes away from his parents' narrative that usually is throwing out there. Lindsay? Well, I don't think Les Need is going to work in television if things imploded. So I'm going to go with that they're going to be a massive success.

A little fun fact. You might have some inside info. NFL history, fun fact. Lindsay came on after Kara Henderson left the network and married Les Sneed. Well, technically not. I worked here for a few years. I worked. Technically, I worked here for like four years with her.

Oh, okay. Well, so nothing about Dan's statement was true. They both worked at NFL Network. We did do Total Access, and I did follow her in that regard. There you go. That's kind of what I meant. As the face of Total Access. Do you guys hang out with Sneed then?

Do you go over? now that they're in town would you go over and hang out with Henderson and Sneed Sneed bomb I don't I don't I didn't I never knew care that well because we never really did the same show so okay tell us more about your

very nice we have a lot of friends in common it's kind of like your relationship with the R&B podcast it's like those guys respect me they don't know who you are oh no there's a lot of respect going at least in one direction Lindsay tell us more about your personal life one more Mark give us one more

I don't have another one. All right. Anybody else got one? All right, that's it. Good show, guys. I enjoyed it. I had fun. I think everyone did.

I think the listeners did too. I think the pregrade was a little low. But that's what the pregrade's for. It's just a guess. It's not the actual score. I think it's higher than a B. We'll find out. The listeners will decide.

It's like a post-draft grade. Like, really, you don't know until they take the field. We won't know for three years. That's kind of like what you did it. You need three years to have fully evaluated. You thought the pieces on paper. We have a B. It's kind of.

like a movie that doesn't get great reviews right off the bat and then it be you know in time it becomes a classic who knows kind of like that maybe this was a terrible show I thought it could be like crash winning the Oscar I enjoyed it we are the crash of podcasts the creed name

that song portion of the show was stellar yeah it was special and memorable unique and I highly enjoyed it you're not you're not getting that on you know the ringer for instance not until they copy They're already calling someone the boss, aren't they? They're already calling Bill Simmons the boss.

You know where they took that from. All right. Let's slow down with our enemy list, and we'll get out of here for now. We'll be back next week with another round of shows. Lindsay, thank you for joining us once again. Thanks. You were, you know, just great talent. Oddenans, odds and ends.

Oh, yeah, one more time. Go ahead, Lindsay. Odts and ends, odds and ends, odds and ends. The best part is Chris happily snapping along. Jaunty snapping. I like that song. I would like to see. It's well known for her improvising throughout the Southern California.

I will say now having put on the spot, that's a hard tune to sing along to. It's a little jumping, right? Yeah, I'll try it one more time. Just for fun. Okay. Odts and ends, yeah, odds and ends. Everything's about odds and ends. Oh, yeah.

I'm actually waiting for your softball game to start. That's right. Penmar number five field in Venice. Oh, yeah. The Shield takes on the Redeemers. The Irishman of first base, Wes at. I'm guaranteeing victory tonight. Guaranteed victory. The cap is on the DL with a hamstring injury,

but I'll be there leading the team like a true, well, leader. That's it for today's edition of the Around the NFL podcast. Stan Hans is signing off for Quiet Storm. The mailman, Lins, the boss, and the Irishman behind the glass. Till Monday. then tears of joy stream down my face with arms wide open under the sunlight we'll come to this place I'll show you everything Thank you.