NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Predicting quarterback battles

Episode Date: August 10, 2015

A room filled with heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Lindsay Rhodes – break down the latest NFL news including the passing of NFL Legend Frank Gifford and Steve Smith saying 2015 will be his last season. Then, the heroes debate some training camp quarterback battles before hearing from Marc Sessler who talks Browns training camp and the Hall of Fame ceremony.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is tired of Bill's quarterback battle stories. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I'm joined by a room filled with heroes. Lindsay Rhodes, Chris Wessling and Greg Rosethal. What's up, boys? And girls? And Lindsay.

And Lindsay? Oh, you're a woman. Yes. No, well. I was just saying that was the Ann Girls was the, and boys and Lindsay. I don't want to be, you're calling me out as sexist, I feel like, right at the top of the show. A lot of excitement in the room. I'm an adult, Dan.

I mean, Andrew Siciliano downstairs giving us a little grief that Lindsay keeps being on, but she comes with it. You're not even, you're not even on air today on NFL Network. You just came. I am once again off and here just for you, which I think makes my life kind of sad. Like at a certain point, the people that are listening and watching are going to be like, could you. just plan something on your off days it's like i feel bad for you well listen i don't look at it that way i think you see the opportunity of a not just a career but a lifetime to be involved with our show like i got to get in that studio i got to get a taste of that magic it's a ship just taken off

well jump on for a rocket you mean yeah whatever it is spaceship you could go spaceship all right so yeah this is the around the nfl podcast and we have a great show with lins with us today a lot to get to a lot to i got a lot of papers in front of me right now it's almost a little bit intimidating we have uh you know we have the hall of fame induction this weekend mark sessler was uh in canton and now he's in cleveland at that old uh indian burial ground in bria so we're going to touch base with sessler talk about the big weekend and what he's doing out there in ohio uh we have the uh position battle awards that excited i'm excited for that that's i think what the drop was coming from we might talk a little bit of

little bills but we'll talk we'll get out some awards of how these battles are going to that that one is right in gregg's wheelhouse because last night late sunday night email lands in my gmail and it's gregg has all these different ideas he was on fire i was like wow this is going to be a rosenthal show well we're now taping early in the morning so it's like we can't just show up and and hope td put together for it but you know we know what happens then what would happen i don't know just bad things all unnecessary fair at all TD you don't deserve that you're doing a great job And, of course, we're going to get to all the news, including, and, you know,

the reason Wes hasn't really said much yet, he's still processing the information about a certain wide receiver in Charlotte or formerly of Charlotte now playing in Baltimore that will no longer be with us too much longer. I wouldn't say that's why I wouldn't say that's why I haven't said anything. I was waiting for an opening for, you know. We could have talked to your party Saturday? Well, we can. My, well, Lindsay wasn't invited. Thanks, Wes. My son, Jack, sweet, handsome Jack Carson, Hansis, turning one.

So we had a little party. I'm sure my invitation just got lost. Now, as I know that Lindsay, you have a young son yourself. I do. Name Jacks, I believe. Jacks. Which is nice. I don't remember getting invited to your party.

He's not a year old. Well, but really none of my coworkers were invited. so it wasn't like an I invited everyone but you type of situation. Dan considers us more like friends than coworkers. And Lindsay, we're getting there. That's another shot. No, let's cut to the chase because West keeps on, you know, opening up all this, you know, dirty laundry, dumping out the contents.

I just wanted to talk about a party. We barely got in. I feel like, yeah, barely, yeah. Lindsay, we're working towards something that would be referred to his friendship. But I'm not there yet. Chris and Greg, you know, we work very. closely together all right not just a handsome boy but a very active boy i mean that that kid he goes for the cake he starts crawling around like a madman i mean he's something i will say the other the only

other problem i had with the party was gregg brought his adorable daughter ellis who is two and a half three three three and three and a half and she walked away with the party she stole the party and i thought that was a little bit like if you're going to bring a cute little girl like realize who the party's for and who should be the star just leaving it there she can't help it she just she seems to be a little precocious well he can go to her wedding someday and get her back oh i like that a little revenge so yeah so that's what's going on lindsay uh jack turns two next year maybe we could work this out we got a whole year to build up to that's okay uh so that's everything that's cooking and uh before we move on we will check behind

the glass every time i look behind the glass there's more and more people back there that's how you know it's getting real. TD, how you doing, buddy? What is going on? I got a whole squad with me. You know how that meme goes, squad goes? This is my squad right here. We're old.

I'm unfamiliar with that meme. I thought maybe Lindsay had a chance to know it, but no. Dad's not that old. The only one I know is Kermit. Ghost squad doesn't connect with me. I'm sorry. Squad goes. All right, cool.

One more thing about my party, I did buy some cornhole boards, and they had American flags on them. I spent 10 extra. to get the ones that had the American flag on him. And Greg, who lives on the throne of ease, as we know, with the Patriots, teammates with Wes. And again, Greg aligns himself in throne of ease scenarios. Wes is like the Michael Jordan of Cornhole.

So you pretty much just show up if you're his teammate. It's great. So Greg, Patriots fan, Cornhole with Wes is a teammate. Like what else is like a throne of ease stuff? It's like the in rap where there's like the rapper and then the guy on the stage with the rapper that waves around the white town. I don't even socialize. at parties anymore. I just bring my cute daughter

and she kind of does it all for me. It is pretty good. So good job with that, Greg. You got the whole thing figured out. Thanks, buddy. This game called life. All right, let's do some news. Click that for your Emmy reel.

What? You knew that was coming. Is it going to get old? No. That drop. Not yet. It's classic. I mean, I like to think it's not old yet.

Do you feel like it's been played out now? No. No, I don't think we're quite there yet. Does Casablanca? get old. All right. So we'll start with some somber news. Hall of Famer Frank Gifford has died at the age of 84. A statement was released on Sunday. He died suddenly at his Connecticut home of natural causes. Of course, Frank Gifford is maybe the ultimate giant, a versatile star, both offensive and defense during his time. He went on to a successful second career as a broadcaster

for ABC. He was on that Monday night football team with Howard Cosell, of course. So Frank Gifford, dead at the age of 84. And Wes, I thought, you know, you're a good guy to write this stuff with your knowledge of the history. You wrote a nice retrospective piece on Gifford. You can't. On one hand, you can probably count the transcendent talents who are in the college football Hall of Fame, the pro football Hall of Fame, the sports broadcasting Hall of Fame, and were the subject of the best book in football literature history. of fans notes. I mean, and Frank Gifford really,

what I wish I would have paid more attention to in the article, spanned the old NFL when it was behind boxing, baseball, college football, golf. It was an afterthought. And then by the time he started broadcasting, NFL is already number one on the list. So his career spans that. By the time he's done broadcasting,

NFL leaves every other sport in the dust. He is, I think, one of the most transcendent figures in American sports history. Well, he's one of the first. of the people that brought the NFL to the limelie. That 50s Giants team, and he was the star of it. He was the Derek Jeter, the equivalent to Mickey Mantle of his day, helped popularize the sport. You got Vince Lombardi as the offensive coordinator, Tom Landry as the defensive coordinator. You're winning lots of games. Here's a great-looking guy who you're putting on the cover of all the newspapers that made

the Pro Bowl at three positions, which is a mind-boggling thing as it is. And he's a guy, I think, If you read about the NFL in that time, he was the guy. Like if you said he's one of the most transcendent guys in sports, I think of him, if you're just ranking influential guys in NFL history, he would have to be in like the 20 names that you mentioned, right? Yeah. 10, 20 names that you mentioned. Frank Gifford is one of those names.

Absolutely. And it is amazing that if you, like if you were a kid growing up in the 80s like myself and Greg and not Wes. Lindsay, I grew up in the 80s. What are you talking about? But you were more like a child of the early 70s. I wasn't even born in the early 70s. My point being is that I only knew Frank Gifford as really the announcer from Monday

Football and Kathy Lee's husband. Right. But there was this whole other guy. The human love machine, as she very publicly referred to him quite often. I got to talk to my wife about renaming myself. We need a new nickname for you. Yeah, another new nickname. But yeah, it's amazing that he was able to have two totally separate careers that were huge.

and yeah, iconic figure, Frank Gifford, dead at the age of 84. Kind of crazy that you mentioned his versatility as a player, but as a broadcaster, he did play by play and was also the analyst. That's a totally different skill set. That says a lot to me about how seriously he took his second career of broadcasting. It's not just a broadcaster either. He's the broadcaster on the number one show on TV. Exactly.

And not everybody can do it either, Lindsay. I mean, I think of Joe Namath as another guy. Try to be a broadcaster. Didn't work. obviously had the goods and did the work. Yeah. And it's one thing to sit there as the analyst, and it takes the skill set to be a very good analyst to know which stories and anecdotes fit where and how to get in and out and talk for the right amount of time, especially when you're calling a game. You don't want to talk,

you want to get out before the next play start so the play-by-play guy can hop in. But to be the play-by-play person, it's obviously you need to have knowledge of the game, but you also need to kind of know your role and do the traffic copy and getting in and out of break. Dan, as you well know, as the host of this fine program, that's a skill set of itself. I put Dan and Gifford on the same level of,

that's a, like, matinee idol. Very similar. Like, definitely here and here. Can I also point out, I feel like it's poetic to some degree that a Hall of Famer passes away while the fraternity is gathered. Yeah.

Like Art Donovan did in 2013. This is not a small point, your point about the play-by-play thing. I just wanted to say real quick, he was known as one of the classiest guys. And to him, he and Howard Cosell, when I'm doing the Monday Night Football thing for Love You Blue, Cocell is doing the color, and Gifford is doing the play-by-play. The former player had, you know, enough humility to take on that role. It's a different job. All right.

Moving on, Steve Smith, Wes, your boy for years and years and years, is making the 2015 season his last. The Ravens Wide Receiver announced Monday he will retire at the end of the season. He said to reporters, I feel like this is the best place. If this is going to be the end, this will be the place to end it drafted in the third round in the 2001 draft by the Panthers. Smith has been no less than one of the most dynamic receivers and personalities of his era. And, of course, you know, a guy that has been able to keep his career. afloat and thriving well into his 30s, which is not easy to do.

Wes, your thoughts about Steve Smith and the end? He's in no doubt Hall of Famer in my mind, which is obscured a little bit by the fact he played in Charlotte for almost his entire career and have one season ruined by a broken leg in his prime, had two more seasons sabotaged by NFL worst quarterback play. In fact, some of the worst quarterback play we've ever seen. And he's still going to be in the top 12 or 13 when he finishes his career

in receiving yards. number one all time in receiving yards per game well ahead of Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice who are number two and three in postseason yards per game from 2005 to 2008 the best receiver in the NFL this guy's he's not a lot of people agree with you on that a lot of people would think T.O. in that time

Randy Moss. They should check the numbers. Certainly wasn't the best time of Randy Moss's career and I agree with you and now you're in a position where you can start banging this drum for the next five years that he's a hall of favor but I don't think everyone's going to agree with you on that. Chase Stewart from Football perspective has done a lot of studies on this yards per team passing attempt the panthers were always a run heavy team it shows that steve smith's dominance that number one and number two on the

in modern history yards per team passing attempt steve smith 2005 steve smith 2008 he has the top two season maybe he didn't have the cachet in terms of intimidation of some of those greats like a mosser and owens but as a competitor the guy was peerless and and there was a great quote uh from uh someone on the Ravens coaching side. I think it was Harba said if you weren't prepared against Steve Smith, you're going to get humiliated because he was so ferocious on the field. Well, he wasn't the mismatch that Tio was or that Randy Moss was. I mean, you're looking at a much smaller wide receiver here.

So the fact that he's even mentioned in the same sentence that he is able to win those position battles. Well, you always hear pound for pound. He wasn't pound for pound the toughest receiver in the league. He was the toughest receiver in the league at five foot nine or whatever he was. And still is. And still is. For one more year. You know,

Ike Taylor and Ronde Barber, who have 370 career NFL starts, both have said Steve Smith is the hardest receiver they've ever covered. It sets up a scenario here where that'll be a part of the storyline, especially if the Ravens are one of the better teams in the league, which a lot of people think they are. It's like win one for Steve.

Put them in the hole. Why mention it now? It's a weird, it's a little weird timing. I don't know. Get a little, you know, you get a little farewell tour. Everybody loves a little adulation and that's what he's going to get all year people saying that he's been great and I don't think there's anything wrong. I think NFL players are creatures of routine and I think you want to have that mindset going into a season like this is my last. We're going to just miss like the sound bites.

I don't know if you've had any interaction with him just as. Is he bananas or what? Well, you know, I kind of thought that he was going to be a little intimidating because he's got that edge on the field that I sort of thought he was going to come in and be maybe a little bit different. And he was just as nice as could be. And I felt like I learned a lot about his personality when he came in, he came in to do total access a few years ago and he was promoting a charity that he has. And I'm going to, I don't know the name of the charity. But it's essentially like he and people from his church go and wash the feet of homeless people.

And it's a humility exercise. And it's not the kind of thing that you would associate with Steve Smith. If you've only watched him on the field and all the trash talking and stuff, his persona, he was telling us where to go eat and, like, Compton or, you know, some of the local places that he still comes back to in Frequence. I remember interviewing him. Maybe it was last year when he came to the studio in the middle of the interview. His whole family walks into the little office and his daughter sits on his lap and he, like, continues interviews. So it's like, this is not the Steve Smith that Akeb to leave dealt with during his career.

I have an anecdote on this. I wrote last year an article on him. and I summarized all the fights he's been in where he's basically left the other guy in shambles three fights in his NFL career and he got a hold of Panthers PR and they called me and told me to take it down. He didn't want that image of him out there.

Interesting. He also released a tweet today. Sometimes it's better to walk away when you hear that voice talking to you than to wait and they push you out the door. Greg, we can distill that down to heed the call. Heed the call. That's my motto for 2015.

Weird. By the way, Wes, any empty nest syndrome, famously Steve Smith has the honeymoon suite in your stable of boys. Is this an O'Dell Beckham connection? Is he going to move right in to Steve's spot? Or do you retire the street? I think you have to vacate that for a while. Yeah, that makes sense. All right.

Steve Smith, one year to go. All right, moving on. Nick Foles has signed a contract extension with the St. Louis Rams. This is something that was reported by Ian earlier in the season. summer that something was cooking, and I think we all were a little surprised that it could be something that happens, but they struck a two-year deal. Nick Foles now has some security in St. Louis to go with the starting job. Greg, were you surprised that this happened?

I mean, because we haven't seen much from Nick Foles since last year's injury. Well, on the face of it, it seems insane. Why would you be signing up for more years of Nick Foles with Frank Signetti, a guy who's never been the offensive coordinator in a shaky group? Frank Signetti. It just sounds bizarre. But then when I haven't, we haven't even seen all the details, and I think there's a reason for that,

there's $14 million guaranteed. And I suspect almost all of that, if not all of it, will just be this year's salary. So if you're Nick Foles, you're at the last year of your rookie contract, he's going to get paid like a starting quarterback, which he deserves to be. And I suspect there's almost no commitment after that.

So if he plays well, the Rams have him for a couple more years at a pretty low rate. If he plays terribly, I suspect, they'll easily be able to cut him. And he gets to be paid this year in a fair manner instead of like a backup. Do you want your starting quarterback going into the year without a deal pass this year? I mean, mentally, it's like you're going to tell everybody, everyone who will listen that you believe in Nick Foles, that Nick Foles is the guy that can get it done this year.

You want Nick Foles to believe that you believe that. And you're going to let him go into the year with essentially a lame duck status. That's the way I look at this. I think this is just kind of a, and it's two years. It's not like they extended him for four or five or something like that. They're just giving them a little bit of security saying, we believe in you, get it done, and then we'll come back to the table and we'll discuss some more. I agree.

I think it's going to be very team friendly. If anything, the only person who could come out bad in this is Foles if he happened to have a Pro Bowl type of season, which would be bizarre. I think Lindsay made a good point. I think it's more important to identify the right quarterback than it is to get a mediocre guy under contract. But like you said, it's only two years. And like Greg said, it could only be one year. I mean, they can cut ties after this year if they want to. But I think I've read Don Banks from S.I.

Talk to Jeff Fisher, and what comes across is they really like Ful's height. It's weird. Because after Sam Bradford got hurt, they just thought all these backups we have can't see our wide receivers when they're open. They just wanted a tall guy. Isn't that funny? They do have a lot of smaller wide receivers. Yeah. That doesn't get me excited about the St. Louis offensive minds in place right now that we just want the tall guy.

Or wide receivers. Yeah. That's true. He was due $1.5 million in the final year of his deal. That's $14 million and guaranteed coming his way, 24 and a half over two years. So pretty nice money for a guy that doesn't have much to show for in his career so far. He's earned it more than Kevin Cobb did.

If it helps him at all this season, it's an investment that is certainly worth taking or making if you're the St. Louis Rams. I mean, think of how much you're investing. And if it makes him feel better. I got the Rams going to the playoffs. Go Foles. That is bold.

That's weird. All right. Moving on. So we have Levante David has a new deal as well. This comes a week after the Lions got DeAndre Levy under contract with a big new deal. And now, according to Rand Gettlin, our new guy for NFL media, the Bucks have agreed to terms with David on a five-year deal worth 50.25 million with $25.5 million guarantee

that money from Rapsheet. That includes some escalators as well. Levanti David now getting paid like a superstar linebacker. and Chris Wessling, does he deserve that type of money? Absolutely. He, Thomas Davis, and DeAndre Levy are the trio of four three linebackers who should be pro bowlers every year. They're that good.

DeAndre Levy, as a rookie, had 20 tackles for loss, which was the highest total by a rookie since the second highest since the year 2000. And then as a second year player in 2013, it had five interceptions, seven sacks, 145 tackles. He just stuffed the box score every game. I think that's one of the best four three linebacker seasons we've seen in a while. Another guy under the radar. A lot of people probably know him more because that week one against the Jets

where he pushed Gino Smith out of bounds and it costs the bucks a game. You don't get a lot of pub when you're on a bad team playing. You know more for that. Well, I feel like that was maybe most high profile play in terms of what the public knows about him. But this guy's been doing it for several years now. Pay your linebacker month in the NFL. It's very rare that you see. In Wagner, Levy, this guy?

It's very rare that you see three contracts come that are so directly related to each other. I mean, Bobby Wagner's contract led to Levy and this contract. If one of it, if none of them got done, if Wagner hadn't started it, I don't know if any of them get done, and then all three of them get done together because it's basically around the same level. You bring up an interesting point, though, about the guys who haven't been to the Pro Bowl that play a linebacker that are clearly among the best linebackers in the league. It almost feels like we've come to a point in the end.

NFL's evolution, where you need to separate them, where it's like somehow you've got a pass-rusher category, and then you've got the sideline-to-sidling tacklers. We are on board with it. Side-line-to-sideline has to be a different category than edge rusher. Call it the Rhodes Rule. I would love that, yes. Let's definitely name an NFL rule after me. I like it.

I'm on board for that being it. Give a PFF a little love, too, by the way. I always make fun of pro football focus. Well, here or there, like the things we disagree with. But I think they've raised awareness for some of these guys. They were early on the levy and Levante David bandwagon. And look, the NFL teams agree. They're paying him $10 million a year.

Absolutely. Three cheers for PFF. Woo. That's big words from West. Remember the awkward showdown you had with the writers? That guy was very nice. I didn't think it was awkward at all. You basically assassinated him on the air.

Well, look, you can't have Gary Barnage or whatever the guy's name was as your top-rated tight end. Gary Barnage is getting some big time. Actually, it wasn't Barnage. Yeah, Ben Hartsock is your number one rated tight end because he's a good blocker. a break all right let's move on to the new york giants jason pierre paul we all know what happened to poor jpp on the fourth of july lost the finger jacked up his hand uh thanks to some fireworks shenanigans uh new york giant's coach tom coflin said saturday that he's finally uh spoke with his star defensive end

they had a quote good conversation on friday uh but then again the news that pier paul is not going report to the giants and sign that franchise tag until he's healthy enough to get on the field Coughlin had this to say he's looking forward to coming. He's anxious to be here, but he's not going to come until he feels like he's ready to play. Clearly, you don't have to read between the lines. Giants management is frustrated with how JPP has handled all of this, and they don't know when they're going to get him back. Are we going to see Jay – Lindsay, are we going to see JPP on the field this year?

This is a weird situation. This year, I don't know. Not at any time soon. And then when he does get back on the field, Is he going to be able to do what he did before? I think he's sort of for a while he's missing too, right? Because he has that fractured thumb also. We don't even really know how messed up the hand is beyond the finger of the thumb.

That could be even worse. Well, John Mara keeps saying the same line. He said it on Monday again when he spoke that he doesn't know how many fingers JPP has. Which sounds like he's almost making a joke about it, but I think he means it. No, he's sending. I don't think we know how many fingers he is. At that point, he was sending him a message, I think, right? Because that was before JPP really had talked to anybody in the organization.

And he's saying, look, we don't even know because we haven't seen him because this guy won't let us in the room. He won't return our phone calls. I pointed this story out as something we'd talk about just because it seemed crazy to me that Coughlin didn't speak to him until Friday and that they have no idea when he's going to show back up. And that Tom Coughlin texted him almost immediately after it happened. And JPP didn't get back to him. That doesn't seem like the kind of coach. that you blow off a text from.

And then you're going to come back and you're going to be welcomed back into the organization. Tom Coughlin seems to me and he can say everything's fine, but he just doesn't seem like, I mean, if you're five minutes early for a meeting, you're late if it's Tom Coughlin.

This guy doesn't text you back for a couple of weeks. I'm not going to be happy. If this continues, I would not be shocked that this relationship falls apart entirely if the communication doesn't build back up and he never plays again for the Giants. Steve Tish, who's the Giants co-owner,

said he quoted the, Daily News saying he's very frustrating because Pierpaul won't reach out to him said that we have the New York Giants have the best doctors in the country, if not the world, and we want to help you, and yet you insist on being in Florida. There's a serious amount of frustration building up, and I get it. And look, we've made quite an investment in you. Yeah. And this wasn't like you got in a car accident.

Something was completely out of your control, and, you know, you're understandably upset about how this will impact your life moving forward, need some time to yourself. You made bad choices, and those will have ramifications for our football team. Right. Like, we're reaching out to you to show you a little empathy. You need to give us something back.

In fairness, did you see those pictures of the bandage and everything on it? Like, that would be tough to text with. I'm just trying to imagine. No, you didn't. It's going to be tough. They've got the voice a little too soon, Greg. That is way too true. By about a month or so.

Maybe six weeks, and we can make the texting hand jokes. Okay. Sorry. We'll revisit that. Lindsay, you're bringing the fire today. Fire in flannel. That is like the nickname. Remember those posters, the cheesy 90s posters where they would be in like poses? Like Warren Moon would be like full moon howling.

Fire and flannel. Like in the middle of a desert. Wait, would I be going like that? Arms wide like. Christlike pose. Come to me. Hashtag fire and flannel. All right.

We have football, by the way. football was played for the first time this season, the Hall of Fame game. Our own Mark Sessler, who, again, the Sizzler, who's been out of the mix on the show for the past few shows. We'll be back. We're going to talk to him a little bit later. But there was a game that Minnesota Vikings and Pittsburgh Steelers,

a really exciting action-packed. The game you never forget, 14-3, Vikings win. I'm just kidding. It was not exciting. No Big Ben, no AP. Antonio, no Levion. Yeah, nothing. to get excited about but football is football and it did gangbusters ratings i think i saw a tweet that

it had better ratings in the stanley cup finals so football is that true yeah people are i can't wait to tell my husband that because he was making fun of me that i was excited for this he was like it doesn't matter and i said look at least one series it matters this week because you're going to see some starters wait what i watched bridget jones diary instead of this what that's ridiculous it wasn't my choice you know are you going to date that should cost you your job. Do you want to keep that fan base that you alluded to on the last show? Look, Bridget Jones diary, by the way. He's kind of expand it.

Forgive me an aside here. Right. Mark Darcy, the guy in that show, should have never gone with Bridget Jones, who's just a... This is humiliating. She messes up everything. She has nothing going for her, and that whole show is just ridiculous. This would have been a great topic for the podcast in 1997 or whenever...

That's a terrible movie. We agree with you on that. How did you even come to see that movie? I was given a choice of a... a few and that was wait did you watch it with a lady friend with a lady a lady okay was it was it was it the one that's in the mix right now there are a few in the mix wait a wait a second whoa hey oh do they listen to the podcast yeah you got to be careful here be careful with your words i haven't told them that i do a podcast okay that's smart but

they could be doing clearly these are deep relationships that you're they could figure it out all right is this the moment of i would hope so i mean you scream podcaster all right flawed i like I think that we're talking about all this? Well, the highlights. Mike Zimmer and Mike Tomlin are glaring down on us. Disapprovingly and monitor. We should still keep talking about it. Well, there's nothing really to report.

Okay. All right. Well, she got you to watch Bridget Jones's diary. Instead of football. We know that you can be pretty. Well, look, I'm not going to watch the Hall of Fame game no matter what. You could be pretty unbendable. Why?

There was one series of Teddy Bridgewater. You can watch it on. If Game Pass. comes up sometime soon. You can watch it on that. Hey, I'll give you a little, I'll give you a little takeaway from it. Your boy, Ryan Shazir, all over the field again. He's Mr. Preseason.

He looked great. That was my only takeaway. You know. West, give you something. Is there a lady in the lead right now for your heart? I don't even think my heart's into it yet. Let's see what happens here. I mean, let's take it slow.

There are a few. How many dates in are we? How many dates deep? With this girl, too. Okay. All right. I'll give you that. Hmm. Interesting.

What does she think about Dree Archer? She has no idea who Dree Archer is. Okay. West playing the field. I like it. He's in the game. All right. That's good. A lot there. So that game happened and more football is to come. The biggest news really to come out of the game, the place kicker for the Steelers Sean Sweeam tore his ACL.

So his season's over. And by the way, I know we joke around kickers who cares. Not easy to kick in Heinz Field. Extra points are further back. They got to now they've got to find a kicker. That's not a small thing. He's been one of the most accurate kickers in the NFL the last couple years, which is surprising he had a pretty bad start to the career.

You're right. That used to be kind of the graveyard for kickers, you know, a tough place. Probably find one where they found Sean Suisse him for free. Just wait until somebody drafts him in your fantasy league. Oh, good point. Better be in the last round. Someone that's not paying attention. All right, that's what's happening in the news.

Hey, let's talk about some position battles. In fact, it's called the position battle awards. Let's get some awards. Oh, go for it. So why don't we go around the table here and each throw out a position battle in training camp right now, you know, for the sake of, let's have some fun here, give it a title, what the award is. And we'll start with fiery and flannel, Lindsay Rhodes. We're going to start with me.

Excuse me. We're going to start with. I would love to lead us off. No, listen, we're not going to do it, though. Okay. Listen, the now transition's coming. I now used to be able to throw to whoever I wanted to and it was fun.

Now I'm very structured. T.D. scaring at me. He's disapproving of my abilities as a host. We're going to start with Wes. Get us going, baby. Oh, as Matt Money Smith alluded to, an opening drop, the most life-draining quarterback battle in the NFL,

the Bills, who just, every time you hear anything about them, you don't think they can get any worse, but they do. I think one of the beat writers used the phrase mostly putrid to describe their performance in the scrimmage on Saturday. Matt Castle, basically they told him to hand off every time. E.J. Manuel won by default because after all three quarterbacks had gone against the first second and third team defense as he finally found the end zone.

Tyrod Taylor made a few good passives, but missed too many throws. So basically all three continued to be underwhelming subpar humanistic robot, awful quarterbacks, whatever. I have two tweets from the session today, one from Matthew Fairburn. E.J. Manuel's first pass of the two-minute drill against the third team defense was intercepted by undrafted rookie West Miller. And from Tyler Dunn, Manuel babbled a shotgun snap and threw it at Woods' feet on a quickout. Bad day for him, good day for Castle.

Castle did get some good news. He will start the preseason opener, which makes sense. He's the veteran. Go for it. Give him the first crack. Yeah. What's concerning to me is that every day that you check in with a beat writer there on Twitter, every day a different quarterback has had a good day and an awful day.

There's no continuity there. Well, the biggest part of the problem, and I've been watching this one pretty closely, is they're going up against Mario Williams and Marcel Darius and that defensive line. And, oh, by the way, the bill's offensive line could stink. Like it might be a really poor offensive line. You got Cordy Glenn, you know, you would think he's solid. other than that, they're getting overwhelmed and they're definitely not quarterbacks

that are going to be able to overcome that. So even though they're not going to go up against the bills every week, they are going to go up against the jets and the dolphins and have some troubles. How does Rex Ryan put himself back in this position? It's the exact same thing. It's Groundhog Day in his NFL career. And he said it himself, I don't know if it's true,

but when he got hired, he said, this is my last chance and I'm going to make sure I make this work. Well, you just put yourself in the same situation that sabotaged your first shot at this. With the team that is in, quote, quarterback purgatory, according to its general manager, Doug Whaley, who went on local radio last week and essentially said, like, we're probably not getting a franchise quarterback anytime soon because we're going to be too good to draft them that high.

Hey, by the way, Doug, don't assume you're going to win eight games or nine games again. You might be back at the top of the draft. I think the bills personally will be good, but it's the NFL. Only about three teams can assume they're going to win 10 games. After that, anyone could be a four or five-win team. That defense can give them a certain number of wins. Maybe the GM shouldn't say that, but you see his point. Like, they're probably going to will, that defense could will them to at least six wins,

and then you're out of the top five in the draft. Hey, draft, how about look at the top quarterbacks in the league, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady. There's plenty of guys that aren't drafted in the top five. You know, it's not that easy to find a quarterback, Mr. Throne of E. Did you see why? I've been a quarterback purgatory since 70. Did you read why Rex didn't sign Michael Vick?

I know. What's that? Rex said he considered signing Michael Vick, but his hands are too small, which seems on the list of problems with the bill's quarterbacks, Pretty slight compared to E.J. E.J. Manuel, Matt Castle and Tyraud Taylor. Small hands might get you the job in Buffalo. Lindsay, the next award. Let's go for least dramatic quarterback battle.

And I think that that obviously goes to the Eagles. Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez. Who here thought this was going to be a quarterback battle coming into the year? Because they sort of said that. And then as soon as training camp started, they were like, hey, guess what? Sam Bradford's our guy. For audio list. All the first.

their hands. I did not because I have a sandwich on it, and Wes and Mark are going to be buying them for me. Look, he could go down with another ACL injury any minute. Well, that's fair. That was part of the reason why I took the proposition. Because you thought he might tear his ACL yet? I think Sam Bradford, there's no, I mean, anything can happen between now and then as far as injuries go, and he's not a guy who inspires confidence there.

Well, he's inspired confidence in the Eagles coaching staff, and maybe they just have to say it. But he hasn't missed, by the way, a single rep of training camp. Forget miss a day. He's been taking all the snaps. He's been out there for every rep. And they said, you know, Chip Kelly's talking about that he picks up our reads. He's accurate. I don't know if they're just saying that to build them up.

But whatever it is, they're making it clear. Like Lindsay said, it's not really a battle. This thing's over. Sorry, Mark. Well, it's over before it started. They never really battled. They said it was going to be a battle. And then before they even took their first reps, they were like, Bradford, winner.

Eagles West. Nice try, Sanchez, with that move. Inviting everyone out of this move. It is his move. And he is a perfect backer. up quarterback for that team and he knows the offense and he performed decent last year. How about a little drama though? We talked about

this on our last show, but Tim Tebow, you know, if the quarterback room, is he going to make the team? There's a little drama there. There is, you're right? A little bit. Barkley or Tebow, right? One of them's got to go. There's Barclay gone. You're a USC alum, right, Lindsay? I am. So you have very close personal

ties to Matt Barclay. Probably go to the same wine mixers in Santa Monica. Yeah, yeah, wine mixers. That's what those Trojans do. You like him? I like him very much. You think he's a good. Matt Barclay's a good guy.

Matt Barclay is a very nice guy. I'm reading between the lines. Good guy means bad guy, maybe. No, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Not much drama in Philadelphia. Maybe there will be some drama in Cleveland.

I'm going to give the Cleveland Battle Award. I give that transition a B plus. Okay. I'm going to give it the metaphysical battle. award because Johnny Mandel is not battling Josh McCown, who is, you know, a person, flesh and blood out there with him every day. He's battling something in the future. He's batting November Josh McCown. It's very high concept. You're painting quite a picture here. Because he's not going to start week one, but ultimately like a science fiction team.

I think Mansell is battling. Ultimately, he's battling himself and he's battling the version of Josh McCown that's going to be out there for the three and seven Browns in November. And so what Johnny Mansell is doing right now, he's smirched Josh McCown. And he's building up a resume and he's trying to show to the bosses, hey guys, I'm much better this year. When this season goes poorly, which it most likely will because your number one receiver is Taylor Gabriel, let's go to me. I'm going to show you something in August like he did at the scrimmage on Friday night

where, you know, people were pretty impressed with what Mansell did and try to show. that he's in the mix later in the season. The ongoing disrespect for Josh McCown in this studio is just ridiculous. Albert Brewer, who was just in Berea, he came away convinced that the Browns think Josh McIck, they're getting the 2013 Josh McCown. But the Browns were thinking 109 passer rating. They've been thinking about quarterbacks for years, dude. Not the 2014, Josh McCown who was stuck behind the worst offensive line in the NFL.

This is his seventh team. I'm not the only one who, you know, doesn't have faith in Josh McCown. six other teams had no time. 99% of Football Cognos said he don't have faith in Josh. But let's just take a step back and look at this logically that Josh McCown has never had sustained success in the NFL. He bombed out in his most recent season. And now he goes to quarterback health.

The purgatory is in Buffalo. Quarterback Hells. Kurt Warner, Rick Shannon, Doug Flutty, Jeff Garcia. None of that happened in Cleveland. I'm just saying these things have quarterbacks have been known to have late career epiphanies. Jeff Garcia did happen in Cleveland. Ask Brown's fans about that. Well, different type of happening.

I take issue with your crowning Taylor Gabriel is their number one. No, that was just. That was essentially a shot at the Browns. Their lack of a number one. By the way, Mark, again, we're going to get him on the phone and talk to them all about Browns camp. And, by the way, you haven't lived until Mark Sessler is live tweeting Brown's practice on your tweet deck. And I am enjoying. I feel like my whole life's been building toward this happening and it was going on this morning.

So I can't wait to talk to Mark. Mayak was really talking Manzo up for his calm feet and saying they've strung together three practices. All I'm saying is there's no reason to ignore the fact that he apparently is building a little bit. All right. Now, speaking of the Browns, I will throw out the most depressing quarterback battle. It's happening down in Houston. The site of Hard Knocks. By the way, starting tomorrow Tuesday, the old Zusser is continuing the hard knocks recaps for around the NFL.

So check that out. We'll be talking about some Hard Knocks. That's not the point, but it's good to get a plug in, even if it's for myself. Oh, by the way, Hard Knocks will also be airing. That's kind of a secondary piece. I loved how he made that about himself all of a sudden. I like the joy slash shock on Lindsay's face when you referred to yourself as the old zooser. Oh, have nice look?

He signed an email to me as the old suzer. Really? Well, that's my name. That cap it out, too, isn't it? Just throwing it in my face. Hey, you had your chance. Give me a nickname. The most depressing battle is Brian Hoyer versus Ryan Mallet,

because we're getting reports out there that neither guy is really pulled ahead. I guess Hoyer's seen as the favorite, but Ryan Malatt was the guy that I think everybody in Houston, they wanted him to somehow be this steel that they get from the Patriots. It's not going to look like it's going to work out. Malt can't throw to a receiver. He has no accuracy. So Hoyer will probably be the week one star, you would think, but at the same time, this is a legitimate competition still between two middling C to C minus quarterbacks. And without Ari and Foster there, and we talked about this, Wes, they go from, you know, playoffs, sleeper type team to if they get atrocious quarterback play with alfred blue behind the

quarterback this could be a terrible offense i'm glad you brought up arian foster because i thought about this over the weekend that should change the quarterback battle when they had arian foster and they can be a run heavy team and hide brian hoyer it made sense to go with brian hoyer now you have no running game like greg said the average 3.1 yards per per carry all the other running backs in Houston. Without a running game, why don't you just see what you have in Mallet who actually has the arm to pull off a passing attack? You can't structure this game around play action fakes now. When did you think of this? Saturday while I was walking down the beach. Halfway through Bridget Jones's diary or three quarters because your mind had to have been wandering. Saturday I was

walking down the beach before I got a ride to Dan to Dan's party. Sorry, walking down the beach, you know, thinking about the Houston. Thinking about Houston and And Ryan Mallet. That almost made sense, your point on Mallet Hoyer. Thank you. It almost made sense. Change their thinking. But I don't know.

Either way, you just, you need to find someone who could. Do you remember what happened to Brian Hoyer last year with the Browns when they didn't have a running attack? It wasn't fun to watch. The bloom came off the rose. It is an interesting question, though, that you bring up, that Hoyer is sort of established as an average quarterback in this league. he's had a shot.

We know what he is capable of doing, although not in the best of environments. Is it worth just giving Mallet a shot? I think we'll see both of them. Let's roll the dice and see, and then we can always go back to Hoyer. I don't know. We heard this thing might end quickly,

and now it doesn't seem like it's going to end. All right. So there it is. You have another one, Greg? Did you want to throw something else out there? Well, there were, you know, there's lots of other battles. Those were just quarterbacks.

Of course. I mean, I would throw out the in Belichick we trust award to the Patriots running backs. If any other team was potentially rolling out Traveris Cadet and James White and Dionne Lewis. Dionne Lewis as potential week-on-starters would be making fun of them and talking about what a disaster this is. And yet the Patriots is like, oh, it'll be fine. They'll figure it out with Jim and Rob. At least we'll have Tom Brady for 16 games.

Legerick-Blatt's got a sprained. Oh, let's just count on Lagart Blunt when he gets back from his knee surgery and his suspension. Oh, he'll be fine. Jonas Gray? He's a reliable guy, blunt. That's a good point, though. I mean, give me a break. Jonathan, why?

Are we sleeping on Jonas Gray a little bit? It's not like he ever did anything to not earn any more benefit of the doubt after a 200-yard-four touchdown game. He just stopped getting played. Yeah, I mean, he could be a guy. There's a lot of injuries affecting these running backs. The Falcons running backs, and neither one of them are healthy right now. Darren McFadden hasn't been able to play for the Cowboys.

We're just getting going. We've got four more. weeks how exciting is this football's really back you know we you go through the off season you're trying to come up with things to talk about that is no longer the case jibba jabber jibba jabber jibba jabber jibba jabber football okay it's this podcast has sounded much like that's not true lizzie are you regretting yet your decision jibba jabber jibbjibber jibber if you at what point in the show we're at about the 44 minute mark did you start regretting coming in you know how about when you were

I would do it again. You were singing Sarah McLaughlin before the show. Oh, yeah. I was. Can we get a little bit of that? No. Actually, I wanted to cue it up for when we were talking about West's stable of boys, losing its greatest tenant, and then you would drop a little acopella. So we're going to throw it to you.

Here you go. What song was it again that we were doing? I will remember you. Oh, yeah. Okay. Just pretend we're like. Are you going to talk over? No, we're laying the music bed.

Oh, I thought it was a lovely rendition. Pretend the screen is showing a bunch of adopted dogs, very sickly. All right, here we go. Acapella. I feel like you need to continue talking about something bad, and then I'll just play it behind you softly. Wes, I mean, listen, Steve Smith, you've always appreciated his talents,

and he's not leaving life. He's still going to be around. It's just not going to be unstable. I think it's better to go out on top than to regret. Okay, there you go. Stay too long. Wes, you don't care about here. That's where I get out.

That was great. That was really good. I liked how you guys acted it out, too. You have looked like, This is a very serious conversation. I thought Dan was going to drop some serious knowledge on it. I had nothing. I feel like you guys had more pressure on you in that little bit than I did.

No pressure. Having a fake conversation. RG3. All right. Let's go. Like a background actor. That was good, Lindsay. Thank you.

It says like Banana Rudebaker or something like that so that it looks like you. This isn't a shot at Dan, but you definitely have the best singing group of. Singing voice. Or singing voice, yeah, of all of them. You were lying so much you couldn't even say it. But Dan does not. Yeah, he was singing her. No offense, Dan.

But so. I will remember you. Will you remember me? Don't let your past pass you by. I forgot the lyric. Don't let your past past you by. It's like, Sarah, do you want to take another pass at that lyric? No, don't let your past pass you by.

That's what I want. Get those dogs on the screen. All right, here we go. Let's get Mark Sessler. Speaking of dogs and the dog pound. Mark Sessler are great around the NFL writer. He was at Canton this weekend. Now he is at an Indian burial ground known as Brown's Camp where he is, where are we?

Or at the Indian burial ground known as Brown's Camp, fellas. Berea. Is Mark there? I am. T.D. put me on the back. Oh, there you go. That's what you're waiting for. I, I, listen. Sorry.

I sensed that we were waiting for something. Yeah, I was. But I didn't know what. Hey, Mark. He put me on the line about five minutes ago, and the train is completely off the back. I hope that is not a reference to my singing, because that was good stuff. that was that was high shelf dan actually i can vouch for dan that if you get a few uh greyhounds and dan he can sing thank you mark i think you got to put him in the right form i've had some moments

in karaoke where i've got that's true a very talented group well as we established much earlier in the podcast i'm not invited to those types of gatherings so i not yet i couldn't say not yet you're on a probation mark so you were in canton this weekend why don't we start there and then we'll get to what's going on at Browns Camp. We'll start in Cannes. So tell us a little bit about the Hall of Fame experience. I know you've been there before, but this is now your second go-around. Tell us about it.

You know, this time around, I found it to be much more enjoyable. I'm not sure what it was. I just think that it's a weekend where there's a lot of football players around, and they're not currently athletes where they're trying to keep a lid on whatever's going on with them and their team. They're very willing to talk. And, I mean, you know, for lack of a better word, it's sort of just a big celebration. And I thought it was just that the access to these guys was great.

And the ceremony itself, I had to thought that, you know, was one of the better ones. And it was fun to cover. I thought that what Sydney's Sayout did did a great job, I thought, I mean, under a lot of pressure. And each of them, you know, we got a chance to speak to each of the Hall of Famers the day before they were inducted. And I know that you guys think that I love, like, offensive. been defensive coordinators. My new thing is GMs. Because Bill Polling and Ron Wolf, you could just sit and talk to those guys for days on end. They were giving us just great stuff about Bill Parcells passing on Reggie White

out of the USFL back in the day. I mean, these guys, you know, they just want to sit and talk about the old time. So I enjoyed that. I was talking to Charles Haley. Did he leave an impression the day before? Yeah, I mean, I think Haley, every time he opens his mouth, it's going to be something that you pretty much didn't expect and probably doesn't have anything to do with the question that you asked. So it was, that was enjoyable. I think he's, you know, he's not the guy he was necessarily back in the Cowboys and 49ers locker room.

I mean, he kind of went, I think he came to Canton trying to put that forward and express that. He was by far the most entertaining, unpredictable of the group. And I don't think the speech, the speech showed that a little bit, but kind of the day before just being in the same room with him, and the way he was interacting with some of the old Cowboys B-Wriders, I mean, he was completely off the cuff.

I thought one of the most powerful moments, and I agree the ceremony was really good this year, was when Charles Haley talked about his mental illness. Like, he talked about something that's an issue that affects a lot of people, and he talked about it very openly, I think, in a way that people had no idea from him, and it kind of explains a little bit what you heard about Charles Haley. And when he was on NFL Network, I mean, I found him fascinating.

He was a lot of fun to watch. I agree, and I think that it, you know, something that you kind of never know when these guys are playing is the support they're getting at some point from like their owners. The way he talked about Eddie de Bartolo and Jerry Jones and how Jerry Jones went out of his way to help his daughter when she had leukemia. I mean, you just, you know, we have these vague ideas of what Jerry Jones is and some of it's accurate, some of it's not. And Eddie de Bartolo, you know, all the history with the legal stuff. But behind the scenes, like I think Charles Haley looked at those guys almost as. father figures that's the way he spoke about them so tell us about brown's camp how exciting is it to be there first of all it well i am currently not there i'm at an airport uh hotel where there's someone

in the hallway vacuuming very loud very concerning but um camp was great i almost did not get there because there was a massive car accident on the highway and i tried to use google maps to get there and it rerouted me to like central kentucky so i just made it and uh it was cool I thought it was, you know, I haven't obviously not been to a lot of practices, so it was a little surreal. Got a chance to talk with Mike Petten. Your boy. I noticed there was a tweet because you were doing your live tweets at one point. You tweeted about Danny Shelton's calves.

Yeah, I like that. Danny Shelton is absolutely massive. And at one point you referred to Petton as Pet. Well, listen, that's where I'm at the petting at this point. That's what's going on. You know, I sat down with him, we got to the point. I asked him what kind of, he's at a bar? What did he drink?

he's a Moscow mule drinker. Oh, interesting. I made some for my wife over vacation. Very trendy. Well, he said he picked it up about six months ago. He's normally Budweiser, Miller. And he's also, Dan, you and I read a Stephen King book 1123-63. 11-22.

He told me he read it twice. He's obsessed with the JFK. Twice. That's like 900 pages. I know. He's obsessed with the JFK assassinations. By the way, one thing about Patton, just to, I don't want to stop you, Mark, but in the words of the Rick Flair,

macho man feud in 92 about miss elizabeth he was mine before he was yours well he's mine now are you guys fighting over petton yeah i love petting too do anybody else think it's a rare move to go from miller light and budwiser to moscow mules yeah that's weird that show maybe he's a little cosmopolitan in cleveland now i think his salary probably went up at some point that's a fair point. Did you feel like Jerome Bettis was taking a personal shot at Browns fans and most particularly you when he kept saying Ohio is Steelers country and then the Steelers fans who were there and were there in bigger numbers than I've ever seen any team's fans be there at the Hall of Fame responded and basically we're taunting you. Yikes. It did feel that way. I tried to

remove myself from the situation to some degree but we're up in that press box and it's number for one, it's a high school stadium like I've never seen in my life. I mean, basically, it is three times as big as the high school stadium I went to. And it was 90% terrible towels swinging in the air. And for me, on some level, was a massive nightmare. Except that Jerome Bettis is, how can you not like Bennett? Like, I mean, he, I thought he was a total class act. And like, they all came out for him. And that fan base, you could put it, you could have put this in central Russia, and they would have shown up. That's what they do. one thought on the Hall of Fame ceremony

if listeners out there if like me you missed the ceremony Mark did fantastic job it's really well written and he captured really all of the poignant moments in his article recapping the entire enshrignment ceremony so definitely check it out

wait hold on can we back up really quickly you missed the ceremony two oh whoa you had to watch the Bridget Jones's diary sequel I was at Dan's Party. Wow. You threw a party during the Hall of Fame.

You'll be invited next year, Lindsay. We went over this. I'm not really a Hall of Fame, dude. I don't know. It's not my bag, but I mean, Mark makes it come alive for me here with the written. Yeah, Mark did a great job. Wes is really not going to like the Hall of Fame when Eli goes in in about nine years. Get ready for that.

Eli Barrier me. It's happening. When Odell puts him in the Hall of Fame. No Giants fans show up. Wes, I think you would like to cover it, though, because there are some, like, hot, like total hot, radioactive hot button deadlines deal with that. I thought Mark was going to talk about women.

No, no, no, I'm not going down that road. There was this lady in a Bettis jersey. Speaking of much, though, Sessler did Instagram and Facebook a picture of cheerleaders from behind, and the caption was football's back. Well, you know, I got to be honest, that's one of those things where you're moving 100 miles a minute. I thought it was a nice photo, and immediately after the first couple responses came in, I thought, oh, man, I wrote the wrong tagline here.

Oh, I thought there was a nod to the SI swimsuit cover with Christy Brinkley. It says, Christy's bad. No, I'm not nodding. I mean, that wouldn't be my A game to be coming off the Hall of Fame weekend trying to make light of that. It just sort of had it happen, and I thought afterwards this could be problematic, but like everything, it just fades into the ether. That's true. I wanted to comment on that thread. and say smart ass

well what i like the most is that i put it on my facebook page and our producer td tried to create some sort of rift you know i have like my family my parents your fan base in law yeah well i don't have a i'm not going down that road but td trying to raise you know get controversy started with his comment on that photo did not appreciate that one bit td it was just an interesting shot man it's all an interesting angle i was you know You offended his mom.

That's what I took away from me. Hey, man, TD, you know never to go against a mother. Your own mother would say, Tilly. Not like that, but maybe. Hey, Mark, next time you need GPS help, try out Waze. Much better than... Ways is superior. Yeah.

That's a free plug. Pay us next time. Waze. All right, Mark, we got to let you go. But thank you very much for calling in. And, you know, have a safe journey home. Hopefully you'll, usually you bump into a offensive coordinator in the airport and you have long conversations and trade text messages in the future.

Hopefully that happens again. I hope so too. And guys, I miss you all. I'll see you soon. I miss you too, Betty. Bye. Go help with the vacuuming. Well, he did leave Berea now that I think about it.

You wouldn't be hearing this anymore, but maybe the ghouls and goblins. He didn't paint a flattering picture of the hotel he was staying at. No. Oh, that could be on to it as well. So there you go. We got to go to some HR training for Dan's imitation of T.D.'s. What it meant? I, that is, I've heard TD's mother speak on voice mail.

In that department as in the singing department. I've heard TD's mother speak. That's the best I can do, the impression. You tried. That's it for today's version of addition of the Around the NFL podcast. Lindsay, thank you so much for coming in. Thanks, for having me. Yeah, it's always a pleasure to have Lindsay on.

We'll be back. We have two more shows this week to get to. And then, of course, next week, I'll tease it again. Fantasy Week spectacular for the around the NFL podcast. Also follow us, subscribe on iTunes, and leave comments, all that good stuff. This is Dan Hansis, signing off for fiery flannel wearing Lindsay Rhodes, the mailman, the boss, Titi and all our friends behind the glass. Until Wednesday. Lindsay is the best she works with us and she comes in just for the show we appreciate her

This is my favorite song Thank you.