NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Preseason Takeaways from All 32 Teams

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Football's back! But not before the final week of the NFL preseason. In this episode of NFL Daily, Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook offer a comprehensive recap of preseason and training camp happenings through the lens of the final slate of preseason games. The duo lists major updates for each of the 32 teams in the league — trades, acquisitions, injuries and all. You'll also get analysis from significant in-game action from Geno Smith, Cam Ward and Bo Nix. Plus, hear Indianapolis Colts head coach Shane Steichen speak on now-QB2 Anthony Richardson.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage for the last time during this preseason with my good friend Nick shook before the show I just said Nick aren't you feeling a little sentimental last time we're going to do this on a preseason Sunday and you said no let's get to week one already yeah I think I think you're speaking for most of the football populace and we're right there cuts have already started as we are taping this we are less than 48 hours away from the cuts being due all around the league we are you know what a less seven days away from the kickoff game, it is all happening. Now, preseason is over, training camp practice is over, all the access is over,

and now we've got some funky trades that I alluded to. So let's just start there. So the process here, Nick, because, you know, preseason week three, not many teams play a lot of starters, although some did. We're going to go through each game just to kind of organize it, but we'll just give some takeaways from these teams, whether it was really. related to that game or more likely from the preseason or the last week as a whole, we will hit all 32 teams and we'll go in reverse order roughly of when they finished,

except for Eagles Jets. We're just going to start there because we had a Carson-Wentz-related quarterback trade in the year 2025. Sam Howell is going to the Eagles, Nick, so that the Vikings, who had Sam Howell, for those scoring at home can sign Carson Wentz to be their backup quarterback. Let's start talking about it from the Eagles side of things. What did you think of them bringing in Sam Howell, which was ultimately like a late round pick swap and like a sixth ultimately or a seventh that they give up to get Sam Howell?

Well, for a team like the Eagles who don't need to find out that much in preseason, one of the things that they discovered or at least were reminded of is that they love Tanner McKee as a backup. But then Tanner McKee suffered a fractured thumb in the game, and suddenly they had Kyle McCord as their only remaining option. This is right after they saw a bunch of Kyle McCord in their game against the Jets and probably didn't like what they saw very much. So that prompts them to go make a move for Sam Howe,

who started the preseason and played really well for the Vikings, but the Vikings are looking to move on because they love Max Brosmer and they need to find a spot on the roster for him. So it's a win-win in theory, except then they go sign Carson, Wentz because they also know that they need a veteran behind J.J. McCarthy since they lose the veteran presence in Howell. So the carousel turns, you get to put the pieces together. There's a lot of different things involved, but that's the way I see it. I don't know if win-win, no disrespect to where Carson Wentz is at at this point of his career or Sam Howell, who now three teams have

given up on in the last three years would be the way I'd exactly describe. How about just like, well, better than we were a couple hours ago. I feel a little better. That's fine. That's all you can ask for. Just go with a push. Yeah, push is fine. So Sam Howell has played some of his very best football against the Eagles. I was wondering, like, did I remember this, right? He had some great games for Washington against him.

And I looked in it, yeah, it's like they've seen him play well. And it sounds like Tanner McKee, who's, I believe, one of the best backups in the league, not going to be ready for week one. And like you mentioned, like, no real option there. Carson Wentz is his interesting. You know, we do the show. I can fix him. And to me, he is the ultimate.

I can fix him. Jordan Rodriguez trademark there. But Andy Reid was not able to fix him last year with the chiefs. Not that we really saw him too much, but they weren't really that interested in keeping him. We'll get to the rest of the Vikings in a bit. But I'm glad you mentioned Max Brosmer. I don't think they will cut him and subject him to waivers because he played well enough in the preseason. So if they had to play a game, you know, if for some reason J.J. McCarthy gets hurt,

I would guess Carson Wentz is going to. be the backup to start the season, just like Sam Howell will be the backup for the Eagles. And yeah, you mentioned Kyle McCord, their sixth run pick. All right, let's go Eagles Jets a little bit. Man, this was a pointless game. So I don't know if you have any takeaways, probably not from the game, but anything from either of these teams that strikes your fancy. I mean, game specifically, like I said, I don't think the Eagles liked what they saw from

Kyle McCord very much. I saw John Mechie out there, recent acquisition via trade. And I'm like, there's John Mechie. And then I'm like, wait, where's John Mechie? He had one catch for 14 yards. Yeah, very much a pointless game. Adrian Martinez, who ends up getting cut by the Jets, played the second half of this game for New York.

It felt very much like nobody of note is playing in this game. And these are the guys who are probably on the bubble. We're probably going to get cut. This is their last chance. So not a lot to take away from a preseason that, look, you're the defending champ. You don't really need to discover all that much. The only area of concern is the turnover that you had on your defensive front, which I'm sure they feel comfortable enough with going to the defending champ.

the season that they'll be fine. And the Jets, yeah, I mean, we didn't get to see Justin Fields in this game. I flipped it on and I was like, there's no fields. Well, now what am I going to learn from this game? Nothing, really. Other than Kili Ringo, I think, has fallen down the depth chart enough that he was playing and Adori Jackson was not. It looks like it's Adory Jackson to be the starter. If I was thinking like larger picture Eagles, you know, they tried Cooper DeGine out at some outside corner snaps last week during practice. That's interesting. I think that's a break, you know, in case of emergency type of deal. They're not going to start the season that way.

I think he'll be in the slot, a little bit of safety. And going back to really the start of this whole month, it's still such a big win that Jahad Campbell had such a great, healthy month. And I think he is a starter for this team. So that is outstanding. They were not expecting him necessarily when they drafted him to be a starter right away, their first round pick. Him next to Zach Bonn is really exciting.

And they have a young receiver they really like in Darius Cooper, so I'm going to watch there. For the Jets, I think Armand Membue, really good first preseason week. The next couple were a little spotier. We'll see. I'm not going to draw too much from the preseason. And they never really did find a second receiver, very uncertain whether Alan Lazard and Malachi Corley, for instance, make this team.

Let's go to the 49ers and the Chargers, Nick. And I moved this one up just like slightly in the order because another trade. Brian Robinson, we haven't hit this deal on the, podcast is a member of the San Francisco 49ers. Not only that, Nick, Kyle Shannon immediately announced we needed a better backup quarterback. So he does not have to battle for that job with whoever's there, like Isaac Garendo. It will be Brian Robinson's job. They gave it a sixth round pick for the commander's leading Russia from a year ago. Yeah, this all started with Washington kind of treating this strangely and that they didn't, you know, have Brian Robinson even dressed for their second preseason game.

He sat out and I don't even know if he was. was in attendance at the game itself. And so the writing was on the wall. They were trying to move him and rather expeditiously, considering he's in the last year of his rookie contract. He's, you know, you know the story of how he came in the NFL. He gets shot in an attempted carjacking. He misses the first month, comes back in week five.

You know, has a productive, you know, first few years, but he's not the most efficient running back. You look at his yards per carry. It's over four. But when you watch him on a carry-by-carry basis, it's just not really there. But he is a bigger, powerful back. And that's what the 49ers lacked behind Christian McAff. Garendo is a home run hitter type.

He's not a guy that you're necessarily going to trust in goal line situations or short yard situations and you don't want to bang up McCaffrey a bunch, considering he came off of an injury last year. And you think it's kind of an I can fix him trade again because if you think, well, all right, Robinson not super productive in Washington where he had fallen out of favor to Austin Echler a little bit last year and they tried different guys there over the last few years, even with their regime changes. But in Kyle Shanahan's offense, which is very creative in how they run block.

And in some years, they block really well. They've elevated and propelled no names to start them in the past. Maybe he can fix him. And if he admitted that he needed a better back behind McCaffrey, why not capitalize with a very low cost in a trade? Yeah, I've never been in love with Brian Robinson's running at an NFL level. Just to me, he's just a solid player. But I do love from a fantasy perspective that Kyle Shanahan seems to love him.

That he's just a simple straight-ahead runner. He's putting him number two. Grendo, by the way, came back last week from an injury and then hurt his shoulder again in the preseason game. So they are so banged up, you know, Robinson's the only healthy one behind McCaffrey at this point. The wide receivers are even more banged up. Joanne Jennings, they believe we'll be ready for week one health-wise, but we don't know what the contract situation is. So right now, in terms of healthy wide receivers, it is very possible the wide receiver two behind Ricky Pearsall is Sky Moore acquired a couple days ago. Now, they're going to get these guys back, whether it's Jordan Watkins, the rookie, or Jacob Cowing, who heard his hamstring again, or to Marcus Robinson off a suspension. They will get these guys back. But it's crazy. I think they'll get Jennings signed ultimately. But it's crazy right now. Like, they could be running like a three-ride receiver set week one, if nothing changed with Skymore and Robbie chosen out there. I'm also curious, like, how long did Jennings feel like this about his contract? Or was it one of those things where he looked around? He's like, yeah, we have so many guys banged up. Maybe now's the time to cash in.

right they really do need him yeah it's tricky it's been reported he wants more than 20 million dollars like to me he would fit in pretty well in the 15 million dollar rate yes give him a little bump for this year just make him happy um the 49ers we mentioned they're going to have a couple rookies starting for this team marcus sigley their safety at third day three pick could be starting and upton stout is supposed to return to practice this week so is there first round pick michael william so that's good on the chargers side of things nothing again from the game it's like we're in deep into the third stringers but traylans has definitely won this backup battle over heinecke i think we can say that and as we get closer to the season shook it looks like

uh haskins has won the rb two battle hassan haskins right and i i just don't know if nage harris is going to be on this roster on tuesday not that they would cut him but i i mean the active roster I would imagine he's going to the NFI list, non-football injury list, and that would knock him out for four weeks because there's just been no sign that he's getting any better as we get closer to week one. Like, this is the time, just the timeline is you have to make these sort of decisions

now, whether you're going to put him on the shelf for four weeks or you think he's going to be back soon enough. Yeah, and considering that his injury took place in a non-football incident, that's why he would land on NFI and would clear the way for them to do that. Yeah, I can't imagine they would take up a roster spot with the guy that just doesn't seem like he's ready. And if you even watch their preseason actually over the last few weeks, really going back to the Hall of Fame game, they've been trying a number of different running backs.

Nahim, Naim, formerly known as Nahim Hines, but now Nahim Miller Hines has gotten a decent amount of work throughout the preseason. I don't know if I don't think he's going to make the final roster, but like they've been trying out different guys to figure out. Kamani Bidal should make this team, but I don't think he's the backup. We don't really know who's the backup. We'll find out. I don't think you need to worry about it for fantasy leagues.

They never really solved their cornerback battle. They have four guys all battling. I don't think it matters that much. They're all going to play a couple of the second year guys and Benjamin St. Juice and Dante Jackson, who are free agent pickups. I've been curious to see that that Michigan pick, Jr. Colson of Jim Harbaugh's Michigan Wolverines, everyone was like, oh, he's the type of guy that steps in day one.

I'm not sure he's got to make this team, but he's definitely not playing much. And of course, if you're just tuning in, Rashan Slater, their left tackle is, out for the season, and that was really the biggest injury loss any team had all preseason. That's the negative, though. The positive is their rookie receivers did, you know, really seem to rise as the preseason went along, Keandre Lambert Smith, and Trey Harris. Let's go to Cardinals Raiders. Big, big battle between Clayton Tune and who else was out there.

Who's the third string for the Raiders? I'm forgetting Cam Miller. Cam Miller, it is. And they might need Cam Miller, Shuck, because Aiden O'Connell got hurt. in this game and is out six to eight weeks. Yeah, not great, not great. It's a bummer because this is the guy that we accurately said last year has carved out of places like an eight to 10 year backup in the NFL.

And you felt pretty good about this group going into the season with Gino with the ones and AOC behind him and now you don't have him. So it is a weakness, but you hope that Gino is able to stay on the field. If you think in the years past with Gino with the Seahawks, even when he got banged up, he usually found a way to stay. stay on the field even if he wasn't 100%. So I'm not going to be super concerned about it. But yeah, maybe they will need Cam Miller with a team that frankly, I think was very fun to watch throughout the preseason and especially fun in this game. Like, yeah, you know, in some of these

games, they weren't playing against the starting defense. But the Gino Smith offense and the Ashton Gentie offense, it's fun to watch. And Gentie, you know, was ran hard again in the brief time that he was out on the field against the Cardinals. And look, I'm excited about Raiders football this season, even if you're a little bit thinner at quarterback. And this game provided us with another great highlight. Yes, Gino Smith throwing the ball to Dante Thornton. If you are watching on the YouTube, we appreciate you. And you can see this dime by Gino.

And it was one of two throws to Thornton in this one drive that the starters played. And they scored on the Cardinals backups right away, where Thornton created no separation whatsoever, but Gino just fires it in there into a tiny window. and Thornton got both grabs. Like hand catches, and this just made me think he's going to be confident going to this kid. So that was one of the bigger stories, I think, from the Raiders preseason, that the fourth round pick, Thornton earned a starting job. And, you know, the second round pick, Jack Bash,

I don't think is going to be playing much earlier, or at least early in the season. So we'll see. Pete Carroll did say, shook, that he wants a veteran quarterback in there. now chip kelly's familiar with dTR who got cut by the eagles should have mentioned that when we talked philadelphia you know was his quarterback at ucla that's a guy who's played in the nfl he would come for free i don't know if they'll aim higher for like a a one-month backup job we'll see you're making a face i i don't like the idea of bringing in dTR as somebody who has experienced because the dTR i knew before the browns traded him away had regressed and he looked like

the same DTR with the Eagles when he played in the preseason this year, which is why they cut him after acquiring him via trade. So that doesn't feel like much of a solution, but I understand the connection there. And I, and I, and there is a connection, wouldn't be surprised. Right, but you only have so many roster spots. So, do you want to keep him over Kim Miller? Probably not. They'll, they'll maybe look for a veteran somewhere. I really struggled to find much Cardinals, certainly out of this game. Really, the most interesting news for them came early. with injuries they lost a couple of their cornerbacks early starling thomas sean murphy bunting but i still think they're deep enough there for now and then walter nolan someone we haven't mentioned in about a month

their first round pick started camp with an injury and does not seem that close to returning so he could start the year on i r jordan rodrigan i are going to hit all the transactions on tuesday so no sense previewing that too much, but they do have a couple injured defensive linemen where I'm wondering if they're going to stash them or not. The Bills and the Buccaneers played a football game this week. Josh Allen did not play any preseason for the first time in his career, but they did have some players out there obviously in practice this week, and Tradavius White, actually, their starting cornerback got hurt in practice. And they must really not like Rizuel Douglas. because, man, they need a cornerback badly, and they have not called that, dude.

And they're short on Maxwell Harrison. I would really recommend people check out the podcast that dropped in the feed over the weekend. It was really great doing it on the future of defense with Mr. Match Quarters, Cody Alexander, and Jordan Rodriguez. And it was great, but we talked a lot about the Bill's defense there. I don't want to repeat myself, but I don't think they're happy at safety. I don't know if Dane Jackson even makes this team. There's just a lot of questions. They're a team that's really good.

that I think could be very active over the next few weeks. A lot of times it's the bad teams that are claiming guys and making trades. I think the bills could be looking for some guys that actually play snaps for them. I'm thinking about the cornerback market and what's available. Because look, if you were,

this is no hate on Tradavis White, but he is not who he was when he was in Buffalo the first time. He just isn't. He's had multiple injuries over the last few years. He's bounced around from the Rams to the Ravens and now back in Buffalo. And you weren't counting on him as being one of your starters. You were hoping it was going to be Maxwell Harrison,

and who got hurt early in camp. And so you needed Tredavius White. But if you were going to go into the season with him as one of your starters, that's not really the best look. Did you see the clip of him on Hard Knocks squeezing out the sweat from his socks? Yes. One of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my entire way. We had both ends of the spectrum.

We had him trying to get a custom ice cream dish at a local ice cream parlor made. And then we had squeezing out the socks. That's the Tredavius White Camp experience. But I just think about the quarterback market. And I'm like, well, what else is really going to be out there? So it's going to be fascinating to see if somebody else comes available from a team it just has a surplus and the bills are you know maybe find a way to jump on it but yeah i don't think they're done there at all because even if you look at like in two years ago it was there

the story of the defense was like we know what we have in our safeties we have matt milano everybody else around them you know we drafted greg russo we hope he gets there the conversation has since shifted to like we like our front seven more and we really don't know about our secondary anymore we drafted cole bishop last year he kind of struggled to stay on the field now he's going to be one of our starters and you think about the cornerback situation and you're right about Rassul Douglas. You're right. They must hate him because he's a good veteran quarterback. He was with them last year, not with the team. I mean, he didn't play well. I agree with that assessment and no one else has signed him. Maybe he wants too much money. Maybe he's ready to go. How about a little

Stefan Gilmore reunion? I don't think that his tenure ended well. No. He's still out there. They are a rare team when I was looking through the rosters that actually has a lot of tackles, offensive tackles so maybe they could make like a trade of one of their depth guys just there are almost no teams that have extra offensive linemen but they they might uh the bucks certainly don't have extras because they're short trist and worse early uh in the season i thought tez johnson had a really good game i think he's done enough to make the team shiloh sanders deion sanders his son got ejected for being in a fight on saturday then was cut on sunday but he He might end up on the practice squad.

I don't think he got cut because he was ejected. It's just the time of year that guys like him get cut. We'll see. And then I did hear pewterreport.com. I was reading that, or no, rather it was Joe Bucks fan. Give a shout out to him. Said Ronde Barber on the broadcast said there's a Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Trask quarterback controversy right now for backup.

So that's the best I could give you for a Bucks nugget. Controversy. Traskman 13 for 17 this game. But when you, the Kyle Trask experience is like hanging on the edge of your seat the whole time because you just don't know where it's going to go. I would imagine if you're really a contender, you probably lean on Teddy being your backup. Trask has been the backup who's lingered in the shadows since the final year of Tom Brady and has luckily never had to really see the field for them.

You're right. It was a bad day to be a Sanders, by the way. Saturday was considering we haven't got to that game. We haven't got to that game. We'll get to it. We're not going to leave with. Oh, cool backflip by Tess Johnson, by the way. After he scored?

That was awesome. That was awesome. Jason Light, by the way, had some comments about Hassan Redick last week. Jason Light's their general manager that just gave me some optimism about Hassan Reddick. I think they're really happy with what they've seen out of him as a leader and on the field and him talking about already. Maybe this can turn into a long-term partnership Reddick and the Bucks. And I was like, ooh, if they get the good Hassan Reddick, that would be really good for them.

Reminds me a little bit of when they got Jason Pierre-Paul when most of the NFL probably thought he was really on the downturn, and they got some great years out of him, and it really helped. They had their rookies, Jacob Parrish at cornerback and Amika Agbuka, have two of the best pre-season of any rookie tandem, too. So that's great for the bucks. Let's talk Dolphins Jags. Hey, they showed up the Miami Dolphins. I give anyone credit that gave me something to watch. the Miami Dolphins played their starters. It was kind of sad because the offense still struggled against the Jaguars' backups.

You hate when that happened. The defense, not so much. The defense was amazing against John Wolford in the third string, Jaguars' offense, which you would expect. But I got excited, Shook, because on the, I think it was the first play of the game, they had Zach Seeler, Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips, and Chop Robinson, all in the field together at the same time. They actually had Benito Jones, too, as like a run stuff.

which is like, whoa, that is an insane amount of pass rush on the field at the same time. It's like, wait, how did you even do that? And so I, then I, like, I rewound it. And they got Jalen Phillips actually lining up over the slot receiver, which is insane. Like a 280 pound six foot four guy or whatever he is lining up over the slot receiver. But he just rushed. They all just rushed and they got a sack. And those guys dominated the Jaguar's backups, as you would expect.

But it, you know, it's been so negative about the dollar. all camp. I got to say, they have a chance, if everything broke right, to be an elite defensive front, like one of the best in the entire NFL. Yeah, you know, we spent a good amount of time worrying about their secondary earlier in this preseason and rightfully so. Yeah, rightfully so. But you're right. I mean, you want to put Jalen Phillips in the widest nine in the history of football to get after the quarterback by all means. Like, they've invested so much in that area over the last four years. It started with Bradley Chub and continued with Phillips. It continue with Robinson, who they drafted after Phillips suffered a season ending injury,

and now they've got all those guys available. That might be the only way that they're, you know, competitive on the defensive side of the ball because of our concerns in the secondary. And it might be what might prove to be a strength like you said. And then suddenly we're like, wait a minute, we're not talking about Mike McDaniel's offense. We're talking about this incredible pass rush that comes from Miami. It's like Saxonville 2.0, except it's in a different part of Florida. And Anthony Weaver, who we had at NFL Daily last year, who was great, year two of

that Ravens scheme. I think he's a good coach. Do they have some creativity? They have this day three rookie defensive tackle named Jordan Phillips. Not to be confused with the veteran Jordan Phillips, who by the way is signing with the bills and has been in the NFL a long time. But Jordan Phillips more of like a plugger up front. And the guys at the Reed Optional had a long segment about them.

So I want to give them credit for pointing him out. And then I watched him in this game. and he's had a great preseason where he looks like a fine. And Kenneth Grant has looked good, too, at defensive tackle. So just a lot of numbers there. We'll see if it works. On the flip side, Tua and the offense look pretty rough against the backups. You know, they didn't score for, I think it was a driver or two.

And then it was fourth and six, like on their side of the field. And McDaniel just let them out there. I think it was their third drive. And he's like, we got to get something going. And to Tua's credit, he hits. you know, a fourth and six when the other team, the Jaguars send a blitz, and then they end up having

a good rest of the drive and get a touchdown and at least leave on a positive note. But I was checking out the joint practice reports, shook. You know how I like to score joint practice wins and losses? Oh, yeah. I think the dolphins, first of all, they're the only team, I think, that had three joint practices.

But they're definitely the only team that went 0 in three in joint practices. It sounds like the Jaguars won their joint practice. So that's bad. I think that's why Tua might have been out there like it just hasn't looked good yeah but here's the question did it progress did they at least like improve from joint practice session like week to week because the first one was really bad yeah and then the second one like it was three interceptions for two i can't i think i think it was against the bears and then the next one was like well he didn't throw any interceptions this time so

we're making some progress and like they you had two on record saying like oh you know i don't grade myself i don't need to do that that's for you guys to do but i think we're you know steadily improving so maybe it's just a lower starting point for this team this year uh in what's going to be a high pressure season. But if their defense plays well, which, by the way, we didn't even mention Matthew Judon's also in that past Russian group. They added him last week.

So if they become a defensive team, then maybe we don't need to lean this offense as much and we don't have to worry about it as much. But I caution against just blindly believing that going into the season. For context, Devon A-chan is out hurt. We'll see if he's ready for week one. Tyree Kill hasn't been practicing for a couple weeks now. So, yeah, the Dolphins offense is going to stink

if Tyree Kill and Devon Aitian aren't on the field. Like, we know that. Their rookie running back, Ali Gordon, I thought looked better this week. I know he's looked pretty good in general, but he looked really good. Again, again, second and third stringers, but bouncing off of guys in Jalen Wright, their backup running back is hurt.

So Ollie Gordon might be getting some snaps early in this season. For the Jags, yeah, they didn't play their starters, so there wasn't much there. Our friend John Shipley reports that they are looking to possibly deal Tank Biggsby or Travis E.T.N., probably one or the other. The offensive line and the joint practice reportedly did not play really that well, but the defense played well, as we kind of mentioned, against Miami.

And Travis Under's been out of team drills now for like a week and a half. I'm still buying him in fantasy. I don't care. He's going as wide receiver 35. I don't, man, I think people are sleeping on a major talent here. I just don't see the gap between him and Brian Thomas Jr. you're being that great once we get to like November or December. Well, especially because there was that period earlier in the preseason when

Brian Thomas Jr. was struggling with drops. So, you know, it's not something that I would say is a serious concern, but if you're weighing the two, yeah, maybe you do invest in Travis Hunter and fancy. And especially if you're in an IDP league, because I don't know if you can, but I would imagine you might be able to use them on both sides. Who knows? I'm not sure. Yes, I think so.

And the Jaguars, by the way, have Arik Armstead back in the mix. and he reportedly had a great day in that joint practice. So he is fully healthy, and they could be a good front with Josh Heinz Allen and Trayvon Walker now has improved if Armstead really gives them something. All right, let's give the people something to think about while we take a break and we come back and we are cranking through every single team and their final preseason takeaways back in a minute. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Back on NFL Daily, Packers and Seahawks played a game in which Jalen Milrow played a lot and did not look good. But I'm more interested in Chuck in a real deal fight at joint practice. It took to the very last day of training camp for two teams to really get after it, multiple players say that was the worst fight they've ever seen that they've been involved in at a training camp. Zach Tom, the Packers tackle got kicked out, but apparently a whole lot of people could have gotten kicked out. I am curious, was anyone dumb enough to ever get in a fight

with Shuki at a football practice? I was a late bloomer, so I wasn't as large in stature maybe as I am now. So I wasn't as intimidating. But yes, at least two fights I got into back in the day. one I clearly won the other one was kind of a draw and then I had to run a mile with my pads and helmet on as punishment so kind of wasn't worth it how like

can you just jog it or are you supposed to go kind of fast? No, you're jogging it but in fact I believe I had to run that one with a 50 pound blocking like dummy over my back so you had to run it with your arms like this over your pads

did you take the helmets off and swing when you're fighting but or was it more like no I'm not Miles Garrett come on no actually I think It was a, I grabbed a face mask and tried to pull somebody down by the face mask. It was, it was rough. So, yeah, we don't really know who won this, this joint practice. So there's not much from the game, like I mentioned, Jalen Milrow, who's going to be the third-string

quarterback, who I'm excited to see what he can do as a, as a pro, was not ready to really play quarterback for an entire game with a bunch of third and fourth stringers fumbled three times. He struggled. But Chana Nuoosu for the Seahawks seems like he's getting close. maybe he'll be ready for for week one i saw a note from the athletic that nick amin warry their safety has been playing a little more traditional safety over the last couple weeks in practice a little less like in the box playing linebacker that's just something to keep an eye on for week one

and then i'm not sure if marquez valde scantling is going to make this team for sure after the emergence of tory horton for instance the rookie wide receiver yeah you know it's interesting because First, it was very strange to watch this game and see MVS in a Seahawks uniform at Lambeau Field, wearing number one. It was just strange. But he was also the recipient of Jalen Millerow's best throw over the day, which there weren't many to choose from. So I was like, oh, that's, I guess we are in 2025 after all.

From Milrose's performance, it just felt a lot like what you saw at Alabama, except the Packers just kind of, it was kind of unfair. Third down, they were just sending blitzes after him. And that line, the backup's on the line, which we already knew of Seattle. starting line was not very good last year. Plus, Milrow, being a youngster, they could not handle it. The pocket collapsed on him multiple times. Even when they designed runs from, the Packers shut it down.

It almost felt like they prepared for a Jalen Milrow game a little bit, like it was the regular season. So not to be down on him necessarily, but he is what he is, which is a guy who's going to have to take time to develop as a passer and somebody that you're going to use as a runner this season during regular season games. Yeah, I was not really thinking he would pass Drew Locke, although maybe, I guess, in my highest of hopes, you thought that would be possible?

It didn't happen. Michael Sean Dugard listened to his podcast, and he talked about how their offense against the Packers in that joint practice. It was really just all Jackson Smith and Jigba, who at this point, when he's in the slot, might be the best slot receiver in all of football, just dominating, getting open all the time.

And that's it. No one else is getting open, which I hear, and I think of as a Cooper Cup, you know, comment. Because I don't know if they have other guys that can really separate. The Packers, their story this month is just injuries. When is Jaden Reed going to be back? We don't know if he'll be back for week one.

When is Nate Hobbs, their cornerback going to be back? Don't know. Dantavian Wicks, Savion Williams, their rookie receiver. Xavier McKinney's been out of practice. Marshawn Lloyd, their backup running back. He's going to injured reserve. I've heard some Romeo Dobbs trade buzz, but it doesn't make any sense there. There's no way that happens.

Why not? Because they have two healthy receivers that are, like, deserving of being on the field. In fact, Matt Flores sat down with Kay Adams up in Adams, and she asked him about that. Like, there's rumors that he may be out of town, and he was so dismissive of it. He's like, no, no, that's not happening. He works hard. He's a great teammate, so on and so forth. There's no way.

They get rid of him. They're not going to have anybody left. Matthew Golden made a nice catch in this game, but, like, he's a rookie. You need Romeo Dobbs. You need him desperately to start the season. you know what my guess is with a situation like that then then someone's someone's being a stinky davis out there and sprinkling it might be romeo dobbs's representation and just sprinkling that out there you know because he knows dobbs the numbers might not be there for him this year he's a free agent

like hey any team want to give a good offer to green bay and just make them think about it like because it doesn't sound like the packers are interested and it doesn't make sense i agree i do love that bow melton is making this team as a two-way player i think that's an underplayed story, a former wide receiver that's going to make it as a cornerback, but you could use him in a pinch at wide receiver too. Isaiah Simmons had the typical Isaiah Simmons camp where he got a lot of pop early. I don't know if he's actually even going to make this team. And then I noticed their setup in this game had Rashid Walker at left tackle and then their

first round pick from a year ago Jordan Morgan next to him at left guard. I think it's because of a lot of injuries. Again, more injuries like on their offensive lines. It's just a team. These aren't long-term injuries, but we'll just see what they look like week one. Let's go to the Broncos and the Saints. Bravo to the Broncos and the Saints. Maybe not the best preseason game of the week.

There was really only two good preseason games for true connoisseurs. Shook. Bears Chiefs was the other one. I mean, we got Mahomes and Caleb for like almost an entire half. Yeah. That looked like a real game. High Octane. But our friends at the Saints Block Party podcast pointed out, and I agreed,

this Bronco Saints game had a little something extra. It almost felt like the regular season for a while. Sean Payton, like it was like a revenge game in the, the preseason only sean peyton could do that we had starters on both sides they were playing hard and i don't have major takeaways from the game other than the saints defense made it really hard on bow nicks and the broncos offense and for the most part the broncos offense this preseason wasn't great it took them until their sixth drive of the preseason it was the third one in this game to get a touchdown finally it's not a huge sample size and they weren't terrible

but it looked like a football game where both teams were trying and settling for field goals it wasn't pretty but you could tell there was just like a little something extra and there were a lot of starters mostly starters on both sides of the ball

this is also two teams that just agreed to a trade earlier in the week with the Von Vele and you know sending a big receiver to a Saints receiving court that lacked a guy over six foot one so interesting to see how he fits in but yeah I agree like I'm watching this game

and it's the second quarter I'm like Bo Nix is still in and I'm sitting there thinking all right let me get Jared Stedham nope we go straight to Sam Ellinger after that but you're right it was a back and forth affair it was there was a lot of activity it was there was more juice to it than most of the preseason games especially in week three and bow nicks and the offense finally get down the field and put a touchdown on the board in early in the second quarter quarter quarter quarter quarter of something because you're right unless it was stidum on the field this offense didn't look very good uh with the starters for most of the preseason i'm not going to sound the alarm bells but the main takeaway i had from this matchup alone because again we have the saints quarterback battle right tyler spencer rattler the agenda versus the as the rookie, I couldn't help but watch the Broncos offense operate and even when they struggled and then watch The Saints with Spencer Rattler and think, Kellan Moore, if you just took Sean

Peyton's approach with Bo Nix last year, applied it to Spencer Rattler, it would increase your possibility of finding success with him at quarterback because once Shuck comes in, then you look at him and you're like, okay, that's a guy who is probably more fitting for what Kellan Moore wants to do offensively than what they're forcing Spencer Rattler do. So why not get a little flexible? I don't know if he's going to, but I just couldn't help but see the Broncos, the example of it on the field,

and then the Saints offense come on the field and just not do what I think they should do. Great point. I guess the response would be, there's only one Sean Payton, you know? And maybe Kellynne Moore will prove to be a really great head coach, but he's not Sean Payton. Certainly we haven't proved yet.

And then Spencer Rattler and Shuck are not Bo Nex until proven otherwise. either and yeah the the kind of bigger picture is that no no saints quarterback won the quarterback battle no whoever whoever got to play against the backups and the third stringers look better each time so shuck probably had a better game he certainly ended it well with a really nice drive but they both were just eh like and they weren't terrible either they were just eh like i just i didn't have a big takeaway other than rattler played exclusively with the ones and shuck played exclusively with the twos, and that was the same as was the case at practice. So they were certainly setting it up

for Rattler to win the job. Crazier things have happened than flipping it, but if you were going to play Shuck, in week one, it was stupid to waste this entire week with him with the backup crew. So I got to imagine it's Spencer Rattler. We'll find out in the next day or two. I have major questions about the Saints offensive line. I do like what I saw at, Kendra Miller, a third round pick from a couple years ago who just has not been able to stay healthy and has looked good. I think he could be out there as a really good backup to Alvin Camara. I did want to mention Bo Nix, Cortland Sutton, who I think hooked up for four catches for 83 yards. And there was a great rollout. Knicks did have some good highlights throughout the preseason. And he's really good

at throwing to his left. It reminds me a little of Kirk Cousins that way, except Nick's is more athletic. Sutton was cooking Kool-Aid McKinistry. So there was a lot of pop. shook about Kool-Aid McKinistry being like a true cornerback one and everything but man Sutton kind of owned him in this game a handful of times and Kool-Aid couldn't take him down on a long

play either so just a little note when if we're going to see some starters I'll reward you with a little more conversation on NFL daily I feel like that's only fair I agree the idea of Kool-Aid as a true cornerback one is very aspirational it's not really rooted in reality

at least not right now he did make a nice play on a ball to the end zone. He played good defense and that one broke it up. But yeah, thinking that he's just going to be your new cornerback one after you got rid of Marshawn-Ladamor last year, that's just, it's overly aspirational. Well, he is their quarterback one because they don't have anyone else. But not a legit quarterback one. Right, Alante

Taylor is a good player, but he's their slot corner. He hasn't been healthy. Isaiah Foski, their second round pick from a few years ago. I think that was his last time as a member of the saint. I think he's going to get cut. And yeah, it's going to be Troy Franklin and Pat Bryant season on the Broncos side. I think they're a team that's one of the

deepest in the NFL, and teams will be looking to see who gets cut there. Even their running back, like, Adrick Estime looked okay in this game. Like, he could make a team maybe somewhere about, we'll see what happens with the Broncos. Cutdown day picks. All right, let's go to the Texans and the Lions joint practices. And you remember, the Lions dolphins were the most uneven, you know, joint practices. Every report I could find with this one, no one wanted to have a take. Everyone said perfectly even.

Just good work. Good work by two good football teams all the way around. The defense has won a little bit. The offense has won a little bit. And I'll say that's a win for the Texans. If you're going out there in a joint practice with the Lions, and it's looking like your two teams are pretty even, then it's like, okay, that's good.

Houston. Because the offense apparently had a pretty solid day for Houston before all the starters sat in the actual game. Yeah, the Lions, a team that have built a reputation for how they practice over the last years, really in the Dan Campbell era, so much that Ben Johnson's tried to instill that his bears and, you know, overseen some of the most intense practices in the history of that

beats, you know, experience covering the team. So, yeah, if you come away with, like, it was a draw, it was a push, that's great for you because this is a team that, you know, is expected to contend for the NFC. And if you really want to be a true AFC contender, then you need to stack up against the best. But it's also funny because I think they're similarly constructed in some ways. Like, this is one of the better defenses in the NFL in Houston. Like, we love this defense. The show loves of this defense when we expect them to play with grit, which happens to be the phrase that Dan Campbell wears on his hat. So we like that.

We like that idea. It's the matter of the big question has always been with the Texans since last year. Can the offensive line hold up? Can they move the football? The line's gotten better throughout the preseason, at least according to those who were there. And if you're, again, in a draw against the lion's defense, then that's very encouraging.

No matter whether you play Graham Mertz and Keaton's Lois in a preseason game. Hey, Graham Mertz! Who, woe, a sixth round pick that everyone hates? hated that pick he was awesome in this game texans roll their third stringers over the lion's third stringers 26 to 7 all right i'm not really taking much i i just i got really tired of watching grammerston keaton's lovis in the preseason this year i can't believe you uh did it i can't pretend that i did who knows how long joe mixon is out at this point i think that's one of the stories with houston nick chub really does look like he's going to be the weak one starter so it's interesting

It'll be rugged. It will not be explosive. We'll see how much. Rugged is super accurate. It's just going to be chub up the middle, chub up the middle. Damien Pierce will be in the mix, too, who's kind of a younger version of a similar style. So that's a big question hanging over the Texans. And then one thing I don't know if I've mentioned on this show since about March or April,

which is that Jimmy Ward, who was a quality starter for the Texans, has not been on the field for them. he is facing domestic assault allegations he's 35 years old it came up again this last week because of a civil suit that's going against him that alleges the assault and that he was on drugs at the time but it's just a reminder a he's not there i don't expect him to be there even though they haven't said anything about it and that you know he plays the same position as chauncey gardner johnson who's also hurt and going to be out for a while so that's just something to watch the texans safety spot On the lion's side, man, Isaac de Slaw, every week he shows up. I didn't plan this out, shook, preseason MVP-wise.

But let's think about it. Last week, I don't know if you actually listened to me when I'm honking. It's just a lot of honking. I feel bad for you. What? Why would you ever think that? Imagine living with me. How could we do a show if I don't listen to you?

Well, you could get away with it. Do you remember the two candidates I said, this is a tough one for the preseason MVP award? I thought was not one of them. It was Stidham, and I was, see, I was on board with Stidham, and I wasn't as on board with the other one, which is why I don't remember the other one. It was another quarterback with a game-winning drive last week. Oh, it was Stetson Bennett, and I wasn't on board with it.

That's right. Oh, he was great. He gave me a lot of joy. But when we're handing out this award, you got to be, you got to compete. You got to not be afraid to compete. You got to tell your coach. If you're Stets and Bennett, do not sit me for preseason week three for dresser win, who you're going to cut the next day. I need to play and get that award.

He didn't play. Jared Stidham, you mentioned it earlier. He didn't play either for Sam Mellinger. So I know Isaac to Slaw probably only had like eight catches all of preseason, but he had six of the best eight catches all of preseason. And the fact they played four weeks, it feels like they've been in training camp for like months. Isaac to Slaw is my preseason MVP. He did it again with another great touch. touchdown catch. I think. Didn't he do that with this week or was that another? Yeah, he had a highlight touchdown catch this week.

And he had a highlight touchdown catch last week as well. He's one of the favorites of NFL Daily as a rookie. And I don't care what kind of pushback we get from anybody in the comments who's like, oh, he's not going to be in the rotation to start the season. They're going to find a way to put him on the field because he's demonstrated the talent. He's demonstrated the ability to make plays. Oh, God. Oh, you got to get Tim Patrick on. Can't get Tim Patrick. Oh, you got to get. I mean, look, all due respect for Tim Patrick and what he's fought through in his career to still be in the NFL. But my God, Isaac to Slah, he's a rookie. rookie. He's got everything's ahead of him. Get him on the field. Let him work with Jared Gough. He did it with Kyle Allen for God's sake. They will. Kyle Allen looked pretty good. Clearly the QB2. Wouldn't be surprised if they flat out just cut Hendon Hooker because Dan Campbell talked

about, look, they need to have as much depth as they can and just hasn't worked out for Hooker in these games. They had a couple injuries early, remember in camp? Like, Onu Zerike is not going to play this season at defensive line. Josh Pascal's going to be out a while. Enis Rakeshraught, these depth guys, but they basically survived since. So I was a little worried that was like a bad start to the Lions season. I do keep an eye on Graham Glasgow. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something he got hurt.

They're starting center at practice this week, but it's really hard to know how serious these injuries are at this time of year. So just something I'm watching heading into week one. Let's get to your Browns, finally. I mean, talk about disrespect. They bring in Tyler Huntley. for the final two-minute drive. And I'm not saying I was disrespectful to Shudder.

It just was weird that they played Tyler Huntley. Like, why bother? I'm not going to have a monster take, but just why bother? But if you're going to bring in Tyler Huntley and he's going to drive you down the field for the game-winning field goal, can you not cut him the next day? You knew you were going to cut him the next day.

So why? Why? That's stupid. The whole thing was stupid. I hate to even look at the tinfoil hat that's getting dust in the corner of this room. But I am going to reach for it at this point because I was at the game. And when I tell you that for a preseason game, a lot of people hung around to watch Shador Sanders play.

There were more people in that stadium in the third and fourth quarter of a preseason game than I've seen in two decades of being at that stadium. And I was like, wow, they're really excited to watch him. At one point after his first bad drive, he ran down to the dog pound to get those fans riled up before he went out there again. And I'm like, oh, that's not going to age well. if it's anything like the first drive. And the drive was even worse.

So my tinfoil had conspiracy of the week is Kevin Sifansky got so frustrated with how bad the offense looked with Shadoric quarterback that he put Tyler Huntley in there and said, I know he's going to get the ball out on time and not hang on to it forever. And he's going to get possibly in range for a field goal to win this game, even though it doesn't matter. Proving a point by doing that. I think it was that and nothing more. I agree. I also think the outrage is, it's all stupid. The whole thing is stupid.

We're talking about two mid-round rookies trying to battle to be backup. Shadur is a fifth-round pick. And he had as bad a game as you could possibly have. And there are contextual reasons for it. And it's not the end of the world. Joe Flacco said after the game, you know, I just told them like everyone's had those sort of games. And it's true. But it was that disastrous of a game.

Shadir was sacked five times. He threw six passes. is they had negative 27 yards on his 14 dropbacks. He was lost in this game. And yeah, he was playing with a bunch of players that weren't on the roster by like the end of the weekend. So that all is to be taken into account. But I do think we can have takeaways,

not just from this game, but from the arc of the preseason and camp, which is that based on all reporting, like Shadur got more reps than any fourth straight. quarterback in history at practice and he looked really good for the most part at practice so he kept getting more and more and Dylan Gabriel Nick started slow but sometime after he came back from the injury I don't know if the practices were better I think they were better but the games were great like he looked great in the games I I would have given him a B plus for his first appearance

in the preseason and I'd give him an A minus for this one yeah so you're like Like, he just looked better. And so he's got to be the first one off the bench, I think, assuming it's not Kenny Pickett. Yeah, you know, folks are like, oh, after the Carolina game, I can't believe Shudor is still fourth in the depth chart. Well, now that the preseason is concluded, you see why the death chart is what it is,

which is that Dylan Gabriel came out in two games and handled the job as pretty much as well as you can. He made the mistake on the pick six against Philadelphia. But I think in total, he probably made three or four decisions where you're just like, oh, that was a flat out bad decision that you need to learn from. There was another one where he was scrambling to, his left in the red zone and he basically had a clear path to the end zone if not close to the

goal line yes and decided to fire it into traffic and it looked a lot like the throw that he uh attempted against philadelphia that was picked off by angri macuba so and that was that happened right in front of me and i'm like oh no he did it again like just run those are the things you learn from but as the way i describe him had somebody behind me asking the questions like how do you think this is going to shake out and i was like this is how it's going to go they're going to go with Joe Flacco. If Kenny Pickett's on the team, he'll be the backup. And then it's going to be Gabriel and then it's going to be Shador. And I think at some point you're going to see all four if Pickett's on the team, just because history says the Browns play a lot of quarterbacks over the course of the season. And I think Gabriel in two games has done. He's a game manager who has not taken any shots downfield. And I don't know if he's capable of doing it. But I don't think Kevin Cefancy wants that in the quarterback, especially a young quarterback. He wants somebody who's going to manage the offense and execute it as he wants it executed. I think Gabriel checked all those boxes. It's just that he's got a lower ceiling. Chador had that great game. in Carolina. Really bad game against the Rams and didn't play in Philadelphia because he was dealing with an oblique injury. So the picture is a little bit more unclear. But again, this isn't

somebody that you were going to expect to be on the field in week one. So it's fine. He's a young guy who needs time to learn. Let it just be that and not some conspiracy that they're sabotaging him because they're not. Kenny Pickett is still on this roster. He's reportedly getting healthier. Look, if the Raiders want to send them some sort of pick for Kenny Pickett, they might just be like, Okay, that's fine. Because Gabriel maybe showed enough to think, okay, he could just be our backup. You know, I think he'd be ready at least to be a backup. I thought he got through his reads quickly.

Like there was an opposite hash throw to the out, which was great. People get on him for his arm strength, and I'm sure he doesn't have like the cannon down the field. But he has more than enough to play at the NFL level. Like he, and he was processing and going through his reads, like I said, pretty fast. So he was decisive. The height thing is going to be an issue. I saw one ball that he had, I think it was DeLarvedane, where he got blasted in the back by a defender,

where it got deflected at the defense at the line. And that's why it was off target and why his receiver got hit. And I think that's going to continue to be an issue, but he is mobile enough to roll him out if you have to. So, yeah, I agree with you. One thing I clocked, which is interesting, Zach Jackson has a podcast on the Browns,

and he said, considering the amount of outrageously good throws that they were made throughout camp, he wondered what else is going on for Shadur to not get higher on the depth chart and more opportunities. Just kind of an interesting blind item. When that comes from a beat reporter, I'm just, I don't know. I don't know what he meant, but I found it interesting. I am going to shout out a guy that Andrew Siciliano noted on Twitter is making the team. Yes, I was going to do this if you didn't.

Do it because then I won't sound like a homer. Oh, product of the two-lane green wave, Aidan Hutchinson, the defensive tackle who started the game playing fullback, finishes with a sack and a half. Forced fumble has made the team. And it's especially personal to me because as we chronicled last year around this time, college football 25 came out and I led the Green Wave to a national championship just to make Greg happy.

And Aiden Huntington was a standout on that defense for me. So it's really happy to see real life Aiden Huntington succeeding in making a roster in the NFL. And that he's playing both ways, that he's playing fullback. He had a couple sacks in this game, a couple TFLs. I don't know, like, Stefanski never says anything. And then he went to the podium and said this undrafted rookies making the team. I think all the reporters were like, what? He never says stuff like that.

So they love him. That's a cool camp story. I don't have much to say on the Rams. Terrence Ferguson, their second round tight end played in this game and looked quite good. Just galloping and stride had one play down the field. but got open a couple times and we'll be interesting if they used him during the season. It was a good camp, I think, for Nate Landman at linebacker for the Rams. They do not play any of their guys in the preseason at all.

The lack of surprises in general for the Rams is, it means they had a good training camp. There wasn't a lot of news other than Stafford. And we'll see, but maybe my Stafford panic was a little unnecessary. We'll see. He had a good first week back. We don't really know, but it sounds like he checked a lot of boxes. to progress during the week. Look, no news, I think is good news,

considering we've chronicled this. I mean, we were literally at the point last week where he took the field and pads and the Rams tweeted out and I wrote about it. Without knowing what capacity he participated in or anything, that's just how slowly this has progressed. So you hope that you hear less and no news is good news for him,

considering his age, his injury history and everything else. I do want to go back to the game, though, real quick. One guy that stood out to me from, like, field-level viewing, was safety for the Rams. His name is Tanner Engel. And he played his tail off in that game. That man was laying the wood on defense, special teams number 34 was flying around the field. And I just checked their cuts so far.

He's still on the roster. So keep an eye on number 34. So I was watching the broadcast. Last time I get to see the best trio in the game, J.B. Long, Meantichimes, and Maurice Jones drew here locally. And, yeah, Sean McVeigh comes on that broadcast and does, you know, half a quarter. He's so good at it. I think he called them the human missile. Yeah, that's how he played.

Sean McVeigh just loved that guy that he showed up each and every week. He was the post game interview. So I am a sucker for stories like that. I think he made the Rams. Let's talk Colts Bengals. How about those Colts third stringers just wiping the floor with the Bengals? 41 to 14. It's crazy that they charge full price for preseason games.

I keep saying this for season ticket holders. It's just outrageous. The quarterback matchups in this game, shook there were some wild ones this weekend but but I think Riley Leonard and Jason Bean versus Desmond Ritter and Thorne who's Thorne Pthorne I don't know who that is on the Bengals that to me took the cake of the of the most preseason week three matchup of the week Peyton Thorne don't say anything about this game nothing happened in this game say something about one of these teams if you

please no I wanted I wanted to give a shout out to the defensive back who came back from an ACL tear as a rookie and then an Achilles tear in the following season. Last name is Scott had a pick six. That was nice. But yeah, I mean, we know the story for the Colts. It's been the quarterback competition. It's been the whole Daniel Jones wins over Anthony Richardson. And I just see a low ceiling for each option in this offense in a year that Shane

Steichen needs to win games because his job could be on the line. Same goes for Chris Ballard. I just not super inspired or encouraged by what the Colts have shown me in the preseason so far. So we'll see. And the bagels, their big question mark was, you know, is their defense going to be All the talk out of camp was like, oh, this defense might actually be good. We haven't seen it so far when they played Washington on Monday night. They didn't look very good.

And you still have the Trey Hendrickson thing lingering out there as well. We know what this offense brings to the table. As long as their offensive line can hold up, we know what they're going to do. And surprising depth at running back as well. We know what they have a receiver and everything else. It's the defense. I just, I got those guys. They keep saying it looks great in practice.

They keep saying, well, we don't mind. That's great in practice. Do it on the field. Do it in Cleveland in week one against. It's 40-year-old Joe Flacco, and then maybe I'll buy in because you have guys that are unproven that you've drafted over the last few years that have to be contributors this year. It's a big ask, so I need it proven to me. They love Demetrius Knight, but then he shows up in the games and he doesn't look good. Back to the Stuyken of it all.

I'm going to play a clip, and this is from the athletic reporter James Boyd asking Shane Steichen after deciding to, go with Daniel Jones if he has any regrets. And just, like, listen to the questions and listen to the answers. Beyond injuries, what other things do you think you could have done to help develop to help? Yeah, I think that's a process. It's a day-in and day-out process. Like I said, just in the meetings, the classroom, you know, the fundamentals of everything

and continue to work in stride in those areas. And he hasn't made improvements in those areas. And I think he's going to continue to improve in those areas. Well, because what you specifically thought, what do you think you could have done differently? Well, I think you look back in those situations. Like I said, I mentioned the injuries. But again, meeting with them, met a lot with them during those injuries, you know, just obviously from a mental standpoint, staying in it. And I think he did a good job with that.

And he's continuing to improve with that. What? You know, I'm always wondering, like, gaslighting is one of those words that you're like, I know what it means, but it's hard to describe what does it mean? Like, that was gaslighting. He didn't remotely answer the question. What could have you done better, Shane Steichen? And I teed it up partly to get to a larger point, which is if Shane Steichen was a coach of a more popular team, a national team, I think he would get a lot more grief from how lame he is in front of the podium,

how he never answers anything. And he sort of got like, I'm smarter than you. attitude when, you know, it just, it just drives me a little crazy. A reporter's finally trying to drill down and ask a real question. And what were those answers? They were answers to a completely different question that I don't even know what that question would have been. They weren't even answers to a different question. They were a defense of what he's, it was his defense of himself. He's like, right. Like, how could you have been better? And he's like, well, I met with him a lot. Like, that's not what we asked. We asked, how could you have been better? You could have said,

well, I could have done X, Y, and Z. No, he just recapped what he did for him. It reminded me of, like, a CEO of a company that's been caught red-handed, and then they just tap dance around it with, you know, a word salad. That's kind of what that was. And you're right. I think that if they were a pillar franchise, a franchise, like a Cowboys or something like that, they'd be under the microscope daily for their current situation

and how they handle this quarterback situation in the way that he operates, but they're not. So that kind of explains who the Colts are in a nutshell right now, and you hope that it ends up better than that. they said that, you know, Daniel Jones is going to be the quarterback for the rest of the season. They also said that about Joe Flackle last year when they benched him. And two weeks later, they went back to Richardson. I don't think they're going to do that this year beyond like an injury or Daniel Jones going 0 and 4, 0 and 5, but that's on the table. Either one of those things.

Positive for the calls. Tyler Warren looks legit. I'm surprised he's going as the tight end 10 in fantasy leagues. Like, if you told me he had a Brock Bowers-like rookie season, that wouldn't shock me. I know there's not going to be that many yards to go around there, but he looks legit. And you mentioned the Bengals' offense shook. They had five drives in the preseason. They scored four touchdowns.

Like, they keep unearthing these receivers. Mitch Tinsley looks like a star. Shamar Stewart quickly passed Miles Murphy and became the starting edge. I think that's a positive on the defensive side of things. but yeah, it just looks like more of the same for the Bengals. And it's been more of the same for this show, too, Shook. I think we need to take a second break. Because if we're going to do one final preseason takeaway show of all 32 teams,

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this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Back on NFL Daily Shook, I don't know if you remember back in the old, you know, the round the NFL days, the unbelievable winning streak in the preseason of the Baltimore Ravens and how the front of mind that had been. And since they took on their loss, I've noticed they've gotten it going again this year, undefeated, 3 and 0, plus 53, 30 to 3 over the commanders. sure it might be a bunch of third and fourth stringers but they just can't help themselves they dominate the preseason man of all the teams in the NFL i can't think of one that had a more uneventful camp and for a good team that's great it's really ever since isaiah likely's injury and we don't know if he's going to be ready for the start of the season or not it's been quiet there there really

hasn't been much going on and i feel i feel good about my potential raven's super bowl pick right now nothing's gotten in their way. I feel better about that pick than I felt about your Bill's Super Bowl pick last year and I'm completely on board with that pick. They got to the AFC title game. I mean, it wasn't a bad pick. I know, but no cigar.

You're right about the Ravens though. Like, every time I went through their games this preseason, I was more interested in the team they were playing. Like, I was watching it for the other team, not for Drew Leary and the Ravens off, and Rashine Ali and random Deerness Johnson. Like, no, I don't need that. I want to see the other team play

because I know who the Ravens are and they know who they are, and they're still going to dominate the other team, even if they're playing with a bunch of backups. It's just the sign of a rock-solid franchise that has greater aspirations at this point in the season. So even in this game with a bunch of backups, this is one of those preseason games.

You're like, let's not talk about the game. Yes, yes. We hit the Brian Robinson trade from the other side, but for the commanders, it's definitely a show of confidence for our guy, to Corey Kroski-Merry. I mean, I know the whole country got on this guy, but, you know, we were there five or six weeks ago,

really given weekly segments to Bill. But, yeah, did we know it was Bill at that time? We didn't know it was Bill for a couple weeks. I think Chris Rodriguez will play for this team, too. I think they like Austin Echler. I actually think for fantasy, people are probably getting over their skis when it comes to Bill because I think they're going to play Jeremy McNichols.

They're going to play Austin Echler, like they're going to play all these guys. But cross-game here, it's still fun. I noticed, you know, Luke McCaffrey's out there with a deep 30. stringers. Noah Brown's been hurt all camp too. One underrated thing for this offense is that I think they're going to miss Zakias, Alameda Zakias, and Diami Brown more than people remember. It's like, yeah, they added Devo Samuel, but those guys are pretty good NFL receivers and you're kind of seeing them actually have real roles in their new spots for a reason. And no one really stepped up in the depth group in camp in terms of the practice reports from the commanders.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you look at him on paper, I've always liked KJ. Osborne from his time in Minnesota, but yeah, if you're swapping and you want proven production from veterans that are just like replacement level or slightly better,

I think it's a concern for them. And you also wonder, are you going to get a full season at a Devo Samuel? That's really the big thing with them. So overall, though, I'm not going to like sound the alarm bells at them because we really don't know what they're going to look like until they take the field in week one.

But yeah, it's, you could be better. And McCaffrey playing in the third quarter with the third stringers. That's not really encouraging. But you kind of saw this going in that direction for most of this camp in preseason. I like the secondary. And I like Marshal on Latimore staying healthy and practicing throughout camp.

I can't tell you how rare that is. Saints fans know that. It just hasn't happened in years and years. So that's a good sign for him. Trey Amos, their rookie cornerback, everything has been positive with him. All right. Let's get to the Bears Chiefs. Game of the week.

Hey, you know, it's like, oh, no, we can't possibly expose Davis Mills to the rigors of preseason week three. He's too valuable. We got to sit Davis Mills. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes, one of the greatest players in the history of this sport is out there into the second quarter, diming the bear's starting defense. And I sent out a tweet last week, shook, about guys I want in my fantasy leagues. You know, guys who I want to draft. They included some under the radar guys.

Bachel Tootin was in there. It included some stars like... Oh, I know this one. I know this answer. And I wanted to put Patrick Mahomes there. And I didn't. I didn't put Patrick Mahomes because I wimped out because I know a fantasy white.

Like, I think this is the year to go get him a fantasy pick. You buy low, sell high. And I just got a feeling they're going to be going deep. They're going to be a little bit back to the Chiefs. They certainly were in this game. Great protection against. the Bears starters, they dominated, they look awesome, and they made me a little more excited to watch the Chiefs.

This is one of the rare preseason games where I felt like I really gained something from watching this contest. And I don't know if it was like the field mics were hot or something, but it sounded really loud at Arrowhead for a preseason game. The energy was super high. Like, they were fired up at Arrowhead. And I think it was because Patrick Mahomes was doing Patrick Mahomes things, making plays out of structure just dropping dimes all throwing a beautiful pass to juju smith's shoes to convert a third

down that looked impossible to convert and keep a drive alive leading him down the field for a touchdown finding a guy that i think is going to bring a lot of value to patrick mohomes and this chief chiefs offense overall and it's tyquan thornton because of what he can do stretching the field as soon as he caught his first pass in this game i went god how did they let the chiefs get this guy because this was a former draft pick who was all about speed and stretching the field and if any team needed a receiver to stretch the field, it was the Chiefs, since that used to be their identity. And now he's on the team and he's going to make plays for them. So, yeah, this was a game that I looked back and I was like, oh, this makes me excited for the regular season. I also want

to note that like 10 different guys logged at least one rushing attempt, Isaiah Petecho, Patrick Bahams, Carson, Steele, Cream Hunt, Elijah Mitchell, Chris O'Dokin, Garden Minchew, and like just continue going down the list. That's amazing. Three of those guys are quarterbacks. This is how crazy this game was. I don't know if Elijah Mitchell's going to make this team for what it's worth if you're interested. Yeah. Sort of thing. I did hear Brett Veach on the broadcast. Who's been working out, by the way. You can always tell the GMs that have been working out in the offseason. He's been working out. He popped Breschard Smith, their seventh round pick and really gave him a lot

of love. And I was like, ooh, the GM's giving him love. That's something to file away. I still think he'd be a nice, deep fantasy league type of pick. The Josh Simmons at left tackle thing, it's really, it's really a thing so good and yeah part of my confidence in in my homes is just the law of averages you know he is the best quarterback in football and careers go through little ups and downs even for the greatest and so he's just like yeah he's not going to have three straight years like that i think he's just you know what i mean like he's due and i think some of the reasons of what's around him will help let's talk Caleb Williams who made Ben Johnson a little salty after the game he was kind of like that was sloppy early the first couple drives against the chief starters were sloppy

just not sharp some mental mistakes I don't think Caleb Williams was seeing the field very well he was holding on to the ball that the bear's defense was run over a little bit too but you know once the chief's backups kind of came in there Caleb righted the ship and and it it looked better so I'm not drawing too many conclusions, but it is a reminder this could be an up and down process. Ben Johnson said, like, look, these were some of the things that have been plaguing us in practice showing up this time in the game.

Yeah, yeah. It felt also, like, approach-wise, they didn't really let Caleb throw consistently, like on a play-by-play basis, until they got to that two-minute situation at the end of the first half. And at that point, they started to unleash it, and at that point they were also playing the backups, and they produced.

And before that, it was a lot of third and long, Caleb in a pocket that's slowly crumbling around him, doing that thing where he stands still in the pocket and then at the last second decides to rip one. Some of them were positive, but yeah, the offense just fell a little disjointed until that last two-minute situation in which they finally, you know, picked up some steam and ended with a touchdown pass to Romo Dunezay. I think this is going to be a work in progress for them throughout this season, but I do feel a lot better about them.

That was my one takeaway watching this game was, okay, at least I feel better about these bears under Ben Johnson, even if it doesn't happen overnight, than I did going into last season with Matt Iber flus like I can see the vision here they're going to climb steadily it's just not going to happen immediately and and if you're a bears fan i think you can sign up for that so i just mentioned alameda zakias he's going to be a part of this offense and that's one of my takeaways is like he is going to get passes in this offense they're running back to right now partly because of injuries is a man i don't know that well kyle mannangai that's how you say I'm a nun guy.

Yeah, it's a little thin at running back too, but he's looked okay. Jaquan Brisker, who had that terrible concussion last year, had a healthy summer, so that was just something I wanted to know. And then the Chiefs made a trade on Sunday bringing back Derek Nadi from the Jets for a late round conditional pick swap, so he probably was not making the Jets, but the Chiefs are familiar with him, so a depth pickup. There are Joshua Williams, their cornerback, who had some pretty, significant snaps in Super Bowls,

at least the one against the Eagles the first time around, might be on the cutting blocker, a trade candidate, something to watch there. Let's go Titans Vikings. We already talked Carson Wentz. We already talked Max Brosmer.

The last Vikings point before we get to a little Titans is that there's been some pop shook about a potential Adam Thielen trade to Minnesota. They traded Harris. and Phillips last week, a defensive tackle.

And some people thinking that might have been to open up a little cap space to get this Thielen deal done. The reporting is that they still have some financial things to work out to try to make that happen. Yeah, I think the talk on him was recently to leave that to the front office, which always suggests to me that, yeah, we're on board with that idea. We know what the receiver situation is with them right now. You have Jordan Addison going to be suspended to start the year.

Jalen Naylor dealing with something. Justin Jefferson, you don't feel super confident about him. Basically, they're thin at the position, and they're relying on rookies like Lucky Jackson and possibly Ty Felton to find a fit in this. But if you're a team that wants to get to where you were last year, you kind of can't afford to take that risk. So why not bring back a guy who knows Minnesota very well and prove last year that he can still be a productive receiver?

Get him out of Carolina. Get him back with the Vikings. See if he's got one more or maybe two more good years left with him. It's like a stopgap option that you can count on. I love it. He looked good last year for the Panthers. Now, should the Panthers be trading away or? reliable receiver maybe not but their receiver room is a lot deeper and more encouraging than it was

previously and just as a as a fan and remembering all the great feeling moments in minnesota i would love to see it so that feels like a win win trade cam ward finished a quietly impressive preseason 12 for 22 for 152 yards and i really like what brian callahan his coach said after the game just that it just doesn't seem too big for him and sometimes he's a little late on his throws, but his arm makes up for it. That's me talking. He had this deep out where he's throwing the ball off his own goal line to Van Jefferson,

where he layers it, you know, over the underneath defender, but with enough speed to get it to Jefferson on the sideline. And, man, he just whips that thing in there, shook. And I have thought he's had a really nice preseason for a number one overall draft. I'm just even more excited to watch him this year. I think whips is a great way to describe this because that is his throwing motion in a nutshell. And on the broadcast, they were talking about how Tennessee's coaches have tried to get him to step into his throws more. But I think he has enough arm strength, talent, and accuracy to be able to get away with that in most instances.

Like, that's a very accurate throw. That's essentially almost off platform because he's just like kind of floating backward and just lets it rip by whipping it. And it wasn't the only time he made a throw like that. There was another throw in this game where he was rolling, I believe, to his right. and you're watching it from the sideline view in the broadcast. And I see, I think it was Julius Chestnut who came open on the backside. And I'm looking at chestnut open. I'm going, I wonder if he's going to take that throw.

If he sees him, he's going to take that risk. Because a lot of quarterbacks, that's a no-no. Don't throw across your body. Ward sees it and just whips it right over to him for completion. And I'm like, that is Miami Cam Ward. That is the guy that could elevate this team as a whole. This should be your franchise quarterback. I think it's going to take time for them to get better around him.

It's going to take multiple years. But I do think even off of this preseason action that he gave them a very encouraging sample size that they can take with positive momentum into the season even if the season ends up being a pretty trying one yeah he just he just looks like a guy that's ready and that's why i'm i'm ready to give him the honor that uh it's time for the the who delivered presented by uber eat and i am saying that cam ward delivered for me because it titans fans are out there they're wanting more attention on their number one overall pick but every time i hear cam word talked about it's like nobody pays attention to cam word well if everyone's saying that people are

paying attention and he is delivering not only on the field with with throws like that and i think van jefferson if he was not going to make that team and i'm not sure you he was a lock uh he might have made it in that game because he went three for 103 i think's a crazy stat line in that game i wonder if tyler lockett's like definitely definitely on this team i don't know i mean someone's got to be the odd man out here but ultimately it's not cam ward and in a week that you got into a fight with geoffrey simmons i mean nothing says more i'm not afraid of nobody than getting in a fight with geoffrey simmons maybe the most fearsome like player in the entire league than than that and cam ward kind of joked about it you know when they asked him about

it the next day saying you know what did you learn i learned that jeffrey simmons is is a strong man. Jeffrey Simmons reportedly looked good. So yeah, shout out to Cam Ward. Can't wait to watch him week one. That was Who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats. When Football Makes You Hungry, Get Game Day Deals, presented by Uber Eats, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL order now.

Cowboys and Falcons played Joe Milton's Revenge actually played pretty well in this game. They did have an injury. Jaden Blue, they're running back hurt his ankle. another injured player, Trayvon Diggs, was activated by the Cowboys on Sunday. So that's a really good sign that maybe he could be ready for the beginning of the season or at least close to it. They are going to carry him on the 53-man roster. That's really interesting. And I don't know, Shook, if you saw the Micah Parsons situation, how would you describe how he was on the sideline?

He was taking a siesta on a training table. Which, look, don't get me wrong. If you're tired, you're a little exhausted from, like, participating. A train table is a great place to take a nap. Sure. Except he hasn't been participating in weeks because of all the drama that we've already covered ad nauseum. But yeah, he didn't look very engaged in that sidelines. So I think we continue to monitor that, which is kind of getting stranger by the week.

I am very bummed about the Jane Blue news because I think this running back room for as low of a ceiling as it has, or at least I'm a pessimist when I look at them, I was very entombed. by his role in this. And it was interesting to see how they divided up the reps in this game. You saw a lot of Deuce Vaughn. You saw a lot of Jaden Blue. He doesn't have, he's not the type of guy that, like, checks the old Chris Wesleying box of like, that guy's got the juice in the preseason.

But there's moments where I'm like, okay, I can see him playing a key role in this offense, possibly as a third downback. Maybe somebody takes a, you know, a decent amount of carries. So as we try to figure out how they're going to, you know, order up this running back room and whether Miles Sanders is actually cut out for it or not, hearing that, knowing that he got hurt, that's a bummer for me. Because I think that this is just one of the more intriguing position groups, albeit a low ceiling.

And especially after a game in which Joe Milton finally played well. I was very happy to see his week-by-week progression. I was like, oh, okay, now he actually knows how to throw a fade. He didn't know how to two previous weeks. He's reading coverages. He's making decisions. He's not just making plays with his legs. That was very encouraging to see, but as it is with the Cowboys, usually.

Can't all just have nothing but good news even after a preface. three-season game. Right. I mean, the Diggs news to me is a big one. Jalen Guyton, they're talking, their left tackle, that he might be back a little earlier than people think. So these are stories we will be tracking. Mazi Smith, their former first round pick was out there deep into the game, which indicates they might be cutting him. For the Falcons, I keep feeling like I just don't have much on them. It's partly because they don't play any of their meaningful players. But I did see, you know, Atlanta Falcons.com, right, that you know, Pearson Walker are both not expected to start.

They're two rookies, Jalen Walker and James Pierce. And it seems like James Pierce is actually ahead of Jalen Walker, who's overcoming an injury. So he might be fourth in line at edge. Not anything to panic about, but something to track. You would want that to progress sooner than later during the season. Rahim Morris also confirmed Caleb McGarry. Their tackle is going to be out. for a significant time.

We hit that earlier on the show, but confirmed by the coach that he's going to be out a while. Meanwhile, giants, patriots. If there's one thing that the giants love, it's seeing the flying elvye of the Patriots helmet come in their way. 42 Giants, 10 Patriots,

they put a hurt on the Patriots backups. Now they had, you know, mostly backups in, but so do the Giants. and the Giants' backups look good. You know, Jackson Dart comes in, look pretty good again. Like, Brian DeAble was so mad when Jalen Hyatt dropped his precious quarterback's pass in this game. He dropped two of them.

And then he finally caught one. This game is so long ago, I'm like, was this this week? It seems so long ago. It was. He dropped two great throws by Jackson Dart. Dark gets knocked out. James comes in, first throw, touchdown pass to Jalen Hyatt, who finally catches a contested ball.

I was just like, ah, come on, man. Dart looks very good, like very capable of handling that job. It's going to be a situation to monitor, especially if they get off to a slow start. Like, I know there was a lot of, like, consternation and uncertainty about him going into the draft, and I totally understand that, and it's not that I was entirely on board, but I was in the vicinity. Oh, man, I see what the Giants saw now. I know it's only the preseason, but I'm very encouraged to see what he looks like in an NFL game of the regular season because I liked what I saw throughout this preseason.

And it's going to be such a different offense with him, and you just see that. like some people are like well but he's not testing the ball down field there's not a lot of like super pro concepts like it's like yeah that's what it's going to look like when he actually plays too that's what you do is build the offense around your quarterback he's a rookie just feels like they're wasting time with with russell wilson i don't think he's going to make it through you know three weeks because unless they just you know pull off some upsets they have the command of one you could you could win that you could win that game certainly but if they're not winning i think he's gone might be the end of tommy devedo with the giants although he could

always end up on the practice squad. Kim Skadaboo didn't really happen in the preseason. That's fine. But he's, you know, third on the depth chart, I would guess, going into the season. Jackson's Art did fumble and take a big hit on his last play. I know a penalty overturned, you know, it being a fumble, but he didn't know that as he was like, you know, putting his body on the line. So you want to avoid that.

For the Patriots, Ian Rappaport, our guy, you know, confirmed what it seemed pretty clear, which is that Kyle Dugger is available. if you wanted to trade for him. I saw Mike Vrable get all up in arms, calling someone a rat that Jalen, you know, that Jalen Polk was reported to be out for the season. Hearing Mike Vrable cautioned the media about the dangers of like unnamed sources,

like, hmm, like I sure see a lot of like pro-mic Rable stuff every time he's looking for a job or trying to keep his job that are attributed to unnamed sources. So it's just like, calm down. Let people report things if they're factual. He wasn't questioning the factual nature of Jalen Polk being out for the season. I don't know what more to say about the Patriots other than Caleban Chason. Hadn mentioned him on this show.

Has had a great camp, a great preseason, had a sneaky great year for the Raiders last year. And I think has passed Keon White on the depth chart where he's ahead of him at edge. They're decent at edge up front. And you got Harold Landry, too. They have a pretty fun front, but it is interesting. Keon White now kind of playing with the backups. Keep an eye, Caleb on Chase on might be having kind of like a mid-career, former first-round pick Renaissance, kind of Dante Fowler style,

like the Jaguars, where disappointment for the Jaguars, but ends up being like a really solid pro who has a longer career. That would be the hope for him. Another comp, maybe like Leonard Floyd, like didn't do much in Chicago. Who's ahead of those two young guys in Atlanta? He's one of the guys ahead of the two young. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

Where do we see this Patriots receiver room shaking out now that we've got this information and a full preseason worth of, you know, tape? So Efton Chisholm, their undrafted rookie, is making this team and could have a decent role on the team. He really looked that good in the preseason. Stefan Diggs, I think, has had a pretty quiet, maybe concerning preseason in camp in terms of he does not look like a number one receiver. But I think it's DeMario Douglas.

It's Stefan Diggs. it's Mac Hollins as their top three receivers and then Kyle Williams who got concussed in this game and Chisholm are probably four and five. I think they're going with like the younger guys here and we'll see, I don't, you know, Jalen Polk is hurt and I think maybe the 49ers trade for Kendrick Bourne. That would make a lot of sense to me.

Yeah. Does Jvon Baker, somebody that you end up seeing getting like practice squad and then pick them like. Maybe like someone would pick him up, he's fast. They could keep him as a special teamer, but he's further down the list. I'm more interested in the offensive line. Like, Cole Strange might be available. Like anyone that Bill Belichick drafted, they're available.

Like, Brable just wants to get rid of all these guys. I mean, like, it's crazy they're trading Dugger. They're going to be starting potentially a fourth round rookie, Craig Woodson, who a lot of people thought that was a reach, but he's going to play. Like, I don't know if Garrett Bradbury is starting at offensive line. Their offensive line is easily the most concerning part of the team that it's not, enough better compared to a year ago. And let's get to the Steelers and the Panthers.

We are wrapping up our recaps with bad news. Derek Harmon, their first round pick, sprained his knee in the preseason finale, and he is going to be out four to six weeks. Might not be IR, but we'll see. They have had a rookie shook. Yaya Black played pretty well behind him, so I still think they feel good about their depth up front.

Really, their concerns are on the offensive side. I do not think they have a ton of concerns about the defense. I thought it was interesting in this game that they played this week that, you know, against the Panthers that Pat Friermuth was getting like a ton of snaps outside of the starters. I think that might have been a situation where he hadn't previously because he was coming off an injury. And that does happen sometime where you want to get a guy more work who hasn't before. But they are deep at tight end. So your tinfoil hat might not be that crazy.

Like Johnny Smith, Darno, Washington, is he third in line now? Were they showcasing him for a trade? You could certainly get something for Pat Friermuth. Yeah. And I just, even his body language kind of suggested that he was a little frustrated with the fact that he was out there. Like he was just, I was like, oh, that's interesting. That made me raise an eyebrow.

They are healthy at tackle. Troy Fautano and Brodick Jones, I think had good camps, like step forward. Fautano they're really hoping it is going to be good. But Project Jones was healthy. He's moved back to left tackle where he used to play before. So their offensive line is really important to protect. Aaron Rogers because no one really stepped up at that wide receiver battle, by all accounts, if you average all the reporting, like Scotty Miller might be their second best

wide receiver, which is made a great catch in this game. Right. Calvin Austin has been hurt. Aaron Rogers likes Scotty Miller. They should be looking for wide receivers. The Panthers apparently aren't if they're going to trade Adam Thielen. They rested all their backups in this game. And so really my biggest takeaway from this camp was I'm excited for the Teteroa McMillan era, and I think the Panthers are too. The T-Mack era, let it begin. Sands the Adidas shoes, the sneakers, you know, Tracy Green.

There was an injury in this game, or maybe it was in practice. I'm not sure which. It was princely, Uman Mielan hurt his shoulder, hitting Darno Washington, which is probably going to become like a really common way to get injured. It's just like throwing your shoulder into Darno, Washington. Into Mount Washington, yes.

Right. Of course. I mean, I love Darnau, Washington. And so that's two of their young pass rushers who are out. We don't know how long the injury is going to be for Amon Mieland. But Nick Scorton is also out with a collapse long. They have a lot of questions on their defense. But I feel pretty good about their offense and where they are at.

I feel good about where we're at, Shucky. We did it. I don't know how many games are in the preseason. I could do the math. 49, right? Yeah, because, you know, 16 a week. And then one for the Hall of Fame. we're done it's over we did it

Siciliano I think was who tweeted out the total games and said like 278 regular season games or something like that the grind truly begins now sicko season it may seem to be over but it's actually only just begun because we have 18 weeks of football ahead of us after this dead week also one last comp for you since we just talked about it Scotty miller new age Jeff Janice

no Jeff Janice was like a big strong I'm just kidding I'm just kidding But, you know, I see the comp, though, and that just Rogers likes it. Random receivers that Aaron Rogers likes. Yes, I like that. Jeff Janice caught one of his Hail Marys, right? Yes, he did. That was the best Jeff Janus moment.

So you called it a dead week. I'm going to take that personally. This is actually going to be one of the best weeks of NFL Daily content of the season. We have also 40s and free agents coming out. We're wrapping up our division previews. We're going to preview the whole season. So that's actually the next show that you're going to hear in your feet is a 40s and free agent. and so we'll hit any news from Monday with that, me and Daniel Jeremiah.

But then Jordan Rodriguez, myself, Patrick Claibon, are going to be there later in the week. We're going to have some awards previews. I love doing that. I'm going to have a special guest, very excited to have Nick Wright. You've got to come on, Nick, now that I'm saying your name, for our annual over-underdraft. That is one of my favorite episodes of the entire season. So we are going daily throughout the next week, leading into our. regular week one schedule which you are going to be a huge part of shook you know you're carrying

doing yeoman's work on the primetime game so i will see you then looking forward to it and i know a lot of people are looking forward to the over under show that's one of the favorites um it's the least talked about most amazing streak in sports three straight years i have gone undefeated on the over under picks going into the season we'll see if we can turn it into four that is it for Bell Daily. I was waiting for that music and honking too much at the end of like an hour and a half show. But these Sundays have been just delicious. Chuck, we did it. It's the last one. Five weeks. It's over. We're both back. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you

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