NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Preseason Week 2 Takeaways from 15 Games!

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Nick Shook to give you their takeaways from the second week of preseason action across the NFL. The guys start with the Bears and Bills followed by Saints at Jaguars (06:39), Broncos at Cardinals (12:58), Buccaneers at Steelers (16:28), Giants at Jets (21:07), Rams at Chargers (27:59), Cowboys at Ravens (35:37), 49ers at Raiders (38:40), Browns at Eagles (46:53), Patriots at Vikings (55:29), Packers at Colts (58:38), Texans at Panthers (1:05:35), Dolphins at Lions (1:09:32), Chiefs at Seahawks (1:12:13), and Titans at Falcons (1:16:17). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'll tell you what, the Ben Johnson era, even though it's the preseason, couldn't have started. Watch the switch release here and what it does creating leverage for Zakias, and then it's just manned coverage, runs past DeMar Hamlin, the safety, and it's nothing but green grass ahead. The Bears are back, baby. I love that call. I love that we're overreacting.

I love that the preseason is inching closer to an end. This is Greg Rosenthal. This is NFL Daily. And Nick Shook is joining me from across the country. Every year, Shooki, we get one preseason game where a veteran type of team overperforms for like two drives. It's usually these weird Fox games that are in primetime for some reason. And then we get to make too big a deal out of it for the next three weeks. This is that game.

The Bears got up 28 to nothing on the bill's backups. Let's go. Wait, you mean to tell me the dress rehearsal doesn't matter? What? I thought this is supposed to be the greatest preview of what we're going to get for the next 18 weeks. I mean, it matters a little bit. And we are going to go through every single game that's been played in preseason week two. There's still one more to go on Monday night.

But on Sunday night, the fact that it was Caleb Williams, the fact that it was all by itself on national TV. And I know Joe Davis had his, you know, little tongue in cheek there saying that the bears are back. But after what had been a rocky first couple of weeks of training camp and all the reports and them struggling, and then you've heard this drumbeat of the joint practices that are getting better.

And they had a good one, I think, with the bills to this week. And some of the reporters just, Caleb's starting to look a lot more comfortable. And then he goes down the field. And yes, it's against a lot of the backups. but that's just all I wanted to see. Just a nice decisive Caleb Williams drive and I'm excited for the Bears season.

Yeah, I mean, this is the drive that every Bears fan is going to point to you for the next two and a half to three weeks saying, Ben Johnson, there's this, this fingerprints are all over this, man. We're back part. They're actually are going to point to this as that. But if anything, it's encouraging

because it was such a disaster at times last season and you felt bad for Caleb. He didn't have time to throw. He was hesitant to throw. It was just a nightmare of an operation. So to see them seemingly in sync, and beyond Caleb, by the way, like Tyson Bayesian's ran this offense pretty well, too. There's a lot of reasons to be encouraged.

It is only the preseason, but I like the positives that came out of this game. Just that, yeah, they're understanding the offense. Because if you watch a lot of Caleb Williams last year, you know what you didn't see? Open receivers. It's like the first throw of the games to Colston Loveland. Actually, that was just a normal good throw. And then you have a wide open Colquemette over the middle. Zakias on the long touchdown, we saw pretty wide open.

Loveland had an 18-yarder in there, too. They overcame a penalty. They overcame field position. And they scored a touchdown. Now, not as sharp on the second drive. Caleb went one for four on that. And you're right, Bejant then lit up the bear bills. At one point in the first half, the bears had 28 points.

The bills had 22 yards. But, you know, like I said, it was a lot of bills backups. I thought I'd see Josh Allen in this game. I guess they decided not. I don't have a lot of other notes here. The bills might not put Curtis Samuel on this team. I'm starting to wonder, like, he's not in the top three receivers right now. Elijah Moore is playing really well and is guaranteed money.

Samuel's hurt. They like this guy, Tyrell Shavers, but Samuel is due $6.9 million. So that's a little bit on my radar. He's guaranteed that money. Other than that, I didn't have, like, major bills takeaways here, other than Josh Allen apparently played well enough at the joint practices that they didn't feel like they needed to see him here. Yeah, I

wouldn't expect them to anyway. They know what they have in him. Is there a chance that KJ. Hamler is still in the mix to fill out the back end of this receiving core, or is he just a fun focus on hard docks? Because yeah, if he gets to be healthy. It feels like a focus, a fun focus on hard knocks, although I have to admit.

This is the first hardnacks I haven't watched. Oh, you got to catch up. I mean, he's too many he's good for sound bites. He's He made me laugh a lot. Okay. They lost me a little bit the last couple of seasons. They did, yeah, and I agree.

There's some additional intrigue. There's some intrigue with the fact that, like, they're a Super Bowl contender. Like, usually you get the underdogs and the teams that want to become something. But, like, there's some household names out there, and so it is kind of interesting. But I do want to go back to the Bears. For one point, one point only. Look, we've heard about Luther Burton since his days in Missouri as a receiver, but he blocked his ass off on Sunday night. twice he was responsible for goal line scores

because he was willing to get in the mix crack back. He's not the biggest receiver but he threw his entire weight at the defense right on the edge created the lanes for two rushing touchdowns and Greg Olson was just shocked because most spurkey receivers aren't willing to sacrifice their body like Luther Burden

is earning his targets. Great call, Chuck. This show would have been incomplete without that information and Burton popped off for three catches 49 yards. My son Walker, we're watching the game together, and he's like, oh, I'm going to draft Luther Bernd.

And I try to explain to him, like, yeah, but DJ Moore's first, and then Ruma Dunez is next. And I think both tight ends are in front of him. But if he's good, he's good. And whether it's reality or fantasy, he is going to help the bears out. So like I mentioned, we have 14 other games we're getting to. One of those is not Bengals commanders, because that's Monday night. But the Bengals dropped some random news on us on us.

Sunday afternoon, I actually think it was Trey Hendrickson that dropped it. Either way, Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelliserro reported that the Bengals are listening to trade offers for Trey Hendrickson. When I saw some of the local reporters, you know, mentioned it. I got the feeling this is Trey Hendrickson trying to drum up business. I don't have the feeling that any trade is going to happen and that the Bengals are going to ask for way too much. So to me, until I hear something more, it's not a huge story. And this show is. more about the games. Shook, we had some wild games this weekend

just in terms of like crazy endings if it was actually a regular season game. Like, it would have blown my mind. This Saints, Jaguars, 17 all tie had so many twists and turns in the fourth quarter and twists and turns in this quarterback battle. Tyler Shook gets the start. I thought they were set up

for Tyler Shook to go win this job this week. Just the drumbreed of the practices of him getting better and better and better kind of closing that gap. being maybe a little better in the preseason opener. I thought this was his chance to win the job. I left the game being more confused, but overall thinking Spencer Rattler played better overall

with the backups in the second half than Shuck did with the starters in the first half. Kellen Moore said he liked to make a decision sometime soon. His two guys haven't really made it easy on them. What do you think? It's not the only quarterback battle that is in this place too, by the way, in this preseason, which is very strange at the position. We'll get to them.

Yeah, I would agree. Shuck had a nightmare start. He looked overwhelmed. And then he did settle in later in the first half and posted a respectable stat line and it looked like he could handle the responsibilities of the offense. And then Rattler comes in in the second half and he just looks kind of like a natural. Like I've been here before. I know what to do in this offense.

I'm going to deliver with confidence. And it does complicate matters. But I also tend to not, I know that coaches value joint. practice is almost more than preseason games at this point. And it's because of who you're playing with and when you're playing in the game. And Shuck getting the start and finding his footing, I think was encouraging enough that I still think they're going to lean in that direction, but it is close. Maybe.

I think if you add up the entire month, like, Rattler's been better. And I think the fact that Shucks made it closer lately gives you the thought, well, the tie goes to the young guy, although he's not the young guy. He's literally older than Rattler. But Ty goes to the rookie who this regime handpicked in the second round. But he kind of froze against pressure early. And I saw some Saints fans just excusing it, saying that these were free rushers on these plays where Shuck took two sacks.

But yeah, you look kind of, he just didn't look like an athlete while tripping over his own feet and kind of ducking on one of them. And then the other, he just goes down and he holds the ball. He freaked out against pressure a little bit in his college tape, too. Whereas Rattler, occasionally the pressure was getting to him in this gate. He's doing spin moves. He makes some nice throws against pressure, even on shorter passes. And he had some big-time plays.

And I thought he was stamping himself to win the job. And then he throws an interception deep in the Jaguars territory. On a route that I thought Mason Tipton completely gave up. Like he got a little disrupted and just stopped. And that kind of killed Rattler, who threw the ball with anticipation. He shouldn't have thrown it anyways. But Rattler responded. and drove them down the field with almost no time remaining,

got them to within two points, and then runs in the two-point conversion. And that drive included a number of really good throws. And I thought that drive, where he finally, instead of just playing it safe, I think he's tried to avoid mistakes throughout this whole process, actually ripped it,

and he had a couple nice throws to Tipton, who was earning himself a bigger role. To me, that was like the best quarterback play. I've seen out of the Saints. I want the agenda. I want Rattler. to be week one. I'm really not sure what they're going to do. Well, I think it really comes down to what do you envision for this offense? What does it look like this year? Is it going to require a lot

of improvisation? Because if that's the case, then Rattler's your guy. If you think that you want to establish an identity offensively and want a guy to play within a system, then Shuck's your guy. And the reason I lean on that is because of what you just described with Rattler as the improviser. But also, I saw Shuck reading coverage and quickly taking checkdowns, understanding, all right, that's not there. I'm going to get the ball out. He did look bad under pressure a couple times one of those sacks he had no chance like nobody's getting that ball out i think it was the second of those two sacks you don't want you don't want to look for some reason with him he just doesn't look good you know there's moments where i'm like yes that's good and then there's other

moments where i'm like oh god that didn't look good that looks like his college tape um so yeah i think the offensive line's been a problem for the same throughout camp like they haven't been able to really run the ball kendry miller is healthy for once and i think is running hard which actually gives them a little juice shuck had one good drive like he had three drives He scored three points. And the one drive, he went five for five before Olavé just dropped a wide open good throw on third and long and killed the drive. So that is not really on, Chuck. It's tough.

You're also trying to manage, like, it's a rookie. Would we rather start with Rattler versus some tough games and then bring in Shook? Or do we just want to give Shook all the confidence and just start him right away? Who knows? We'll find out. On the Jaguar side, by the way, I just think, I like what I see out of Trevor Lawrence. I know it's the preseason, but he's played a decent amount in these two weeks. just making some, like, faster decisions.

Travis Hunter didn't play in this game. Brian Thomas Jr. had a drop in this game, which has reportedly been a feature of his training camp. But a lot of Breton Strange, like on third in log, and he's really been good. Parker Washington had a touchdown. They would have gone up and down the field on the Saints and scored two touchdowns,

if not for a fumbled exchange with the running back that Trevor Lawrence had when his offensive linemen stepped on him. But just kind of like what I see. We'll see. It's Liam Cohen. It's new. but I just like what I see out of the Jaguar so far. Yeah, I would expect a decent amount of Brenton strange this year.

If you look back to the Buccaneers last year when they lost all the receivers and we got a lot of Kate Otten, it's kind of the same. The concept, you know, Liam Cohen was the O.C. at that time. So that wasn't surprising. You know what else I really like about this team? And we don't know if this is going to end up being the final trio, but if it is, I actually really like what the running back room brings. Tank Bigsby looked explosive. You talk about the guys in preseason who clearly have the juice. He clearly has the juice.

E.T.N. looked solid. Bachel Tootin's starting to find his footing as well. He scored a touchdown. I enjoyed what I saw from all three of those guys. So I'm a little bullish on this offense. As a team overall, still a bit skeptical, but I think that they are going to take some steps forward, and that's why they hired Liam Cohen in the first place.

And the Jaguars did play their starters on both sides of the ball for a couple series. So Shuck, when he was really struggling, was going against the Jaguars starters, and then they took them out. The Saints, on the other hand, played their offensive starters, but not their defensive starters.

It's just if you're keeping score at home. All right, let's go to the Broncos Cardinals. I don't have a ton on this game. The Cardinals got rolled 27 to 7. Troy Franklin had a couple touchdowns. I did go back and watch his targets. What I like now is he's showing some versatility. Like we've seen him on a couple go balls,

had a nice jump ball touchdown, but also a play in the slot where he went across the formation. They're really deep at wide receiver. Like, I want to be excited about Troy Franklin. After the game, Sean Payton was asked about his year two leap, and he's like, it's happening. This is the leap. But if you look at the depth chart,

like he's probably wide receiver four because they sat their starters, which is Devon Valle, Cortland Sutton, and Marvin Mim. So I just think they've got a lot of weapons, including Evan Ingram, who had a big play in this game too. Yeah, I was going to mention me if you didn't.

I mean, even like Adam Troutman, you know, made some place to them last year. Like I like how they're too deep is at tight end as well. They're sneaky deep all over their offensive side of the ball, including, and call me crazy, maybe I'm a little hyperbolic since it is week two of the preseason is Jared Stidham

one of the best backup quarterbacks in the NFL because two weeks, two weeks he's put together two really good outings and I know the Cardinal starters weren't out there and this was just a bunch of second, third, fourth stringers and that's what you get in the preseason but I don't know,

he's putting together some good tape this preseason. I'm glad you mentioned he had 240 yards and two touchdowns and a half in this game. I added up his two weeks. He's 30 for 38 for 376 and four touchdowns.

And our old friend James Palmer, congratulations to him, now working at the Athletic with Scoop City. Love James Palmer. He started just like thinking out loud on Twitter being like, I don't know if, you know,

a preseason MVP, that's not a thing. But if there was one, I think it would be Jared Stiddem. And I thought, I'm saying. Great idea. Palmer, great minds think alike.

We used to hand out the preseason MVP award annually. At some point, I stopped doing it. I remember one year it was a Matt McGloin of the Raiders versus Corey Washington, a wide receiver of the Giants who had a game-winning touchdown somehow

in three straight weeks. I think Stidham and a quarterback that we're going to talk about a little later are the co-favorits for preseason MVP. So I'm glad you reminded me that that is a thing. By the way, Pat Bryant, too, their third-round pick at receiver. And RJ Harvey, their second-round pick at running back.

Both had really nice game. So, man, the Broncos look like they could be a wagon this year. We'll see. On the Cardinal side, They didn't really play anyone. No. Supposedly the joint practices like Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride look great, but we hit that a little bit on Thursday.

I thought it was notable. Will Johnson was playing not for long, but the rest of the starters weren't. So just maybe a sign like they just want the rookie to get a little more work. Maybe he's not quite ready. And I don't know if you're clocking this shook, but Zay Jones has won the wide receiver three battle there over Greg Dorch, just an update there for you.

You know, that's a big hit to those who love Greg Dorch, who like smaller receivers who make big time plays. But he's a perfect fourth, right? He's just made to be a fourth. He's a gadget. He's a gadget. And you can mix a gadget anywhere. It doesn't matter where he ranks in the depth chart.

Yes. And our old friend, Will Hernandez, I had mentioned he'd been a free agent a few weeks back. He's back with this team. And when I say old friend, I mean that we randomly hung out with him at this event during the Super Bowl for Latino football players

run by one of my good friends. And he was so nice to my son, Walker, like, talked to him for like 10 minutes and took a picture. So let's go, Will Hernandez back in the league. All right, Bucks and Steelers. Bucks win 17, 14. I like to say the score every once in a while. Why don't you start? Give me any big takeaways, if you have any from this game. I mean, I'm all over the Emeka of Bucca train. And so I know you had one catch, but it was a touchdown catch. And it was a prime example of what made him a great receiver at Ohio State and why he's going to be a contributor in this offense with Tampa Bay. So I was

excited to see that. Another one of those games were like, you know, you don't get, Baker Mayfield, but you do get a little Teddy Bridgewater, a couple touchdown passes out of Teddy two gloves back in the NFL. So that's fun. And Skyler Thompson, not as prolific this week as last week for the Steelers, but put together a solid stat line as well. Look, like Caleb Johnson goes 11 for 50. That's solid because that's a guy that they're going to count on, I think, more especially late in this season. Those are all positive signs, but it's one of those classic preseason games with two teams that kind of know who they are, don't need to test that much of what they have. They do need to see more out of Roman Wilson. Two catches for 72 yards. That's,

that's more. A year ago at this time, Roman Wilson was battling an ankle injury and was out of the picture. So that's super encouraging for this offense that they've said over and over again, whether directly or through sources, through reporters, they feel much better about this. Now we're starting to see little peaks of it. So I'm excited for the Steelers. Yeah, two big plays, because that's not what you think of him. I mean, it was a bomb down the field from Mason Rudolph. Now, Rudolph threw an interception on his first throw, I think, and that was intended for Wilson, who maybe didn't totally help him out, but then he had a bomb down the field as like an outside receiver and then another crossing route. So that's great. I mean, two big plays.

You can't ask for much more. You mentioned Abuka is only catch seeing Teddy Bridgewater back in the league throwing dimes to young men like Abuka. It just made me smile. So let's take a listen. Third and three, a big one for the Steelers defense, trying to get off the field, settle for three. A mecca Abuka in the end zone. Eckles, in coverage. Abuka has that one and it's a touchdown. He's the number one pick out of Ohio State. That's a five-yard score from Bridgewater to Egbuka. And Nichols was there, but it was just a really good pass and catch. You can totally tell if it's the home or the away announcers in these preseason games. That's what we have access to. And that was absolutely the Steelers. But, man,

Teddy threw two touchdowns. The other was the Bucky Irving, which was like another tight throw. And you do wonder if he's the backup because he came in. He looked good right away. And Kyle Trask comes in. He was three for 10, almost had two interceptions. And it was just a reminder. I did watch this one. The offensive line was not good for either one of those guys.

And for the most part, for Teddy, like, it was the starters. But it's not Tristan worse. And so you do wonder when Baker gets back in there. And he is supposed to be back soon, you know, just will it be as good an offensive line right now? They are running tests, Nick, on Jalen McMillan, who had an injury in this game. A little unclear what it was, whether it was a head injury or what. And then Jacob Parrish, who's played really well, could be a starter for them, a rookie cornerback who's challenging Jamel Dean for a time.

Nick Herbig also left this game, but Mike Tomlin said afterwards he thinks he is okay. And I'm curious, because you watch the Big Ten. Like Caleb Johnson, I saw those numbers, so I did go back and watch his carries. and he played behind Gainwell, like, very clearly, and they just sat Jalen Warren. So to me, he might be third in line, and I know the numbers were good, but he's like a big back.

It was a lot of East West. So I have a feeling they'll be trying to, like, coach him on just, he had major holes in this game, like, to run through. And so I'm not giving him too much credit, and maybe it's a little concerning he's behind Gainwell. I also see him as a prospect who is going to take a little bit longer to ramp up because of the transition from Iowa football specifically, which is very much old school between the tackles running ground and pound to the NFL, and he has to adjust to that.

And I also think that they draft him with the idea that they don't need to lean on him, but they hope that eventually he becomes the rugged back that Najee Harris was for them for so long. And they know that they can kind of make it work with Jalen Warren and Kenny Gainwell in between. So that's why a little bit surprising that you don't see him get starter reps though because you would want him to get more reps in a preseason game. But then again, you're getting your starters out of there after a few series. Yeah, Derek Harmon, their first round pick, defensive linemen, who I don't think we've mentioned on this show almost at all in camp.

The reports have all been really good. They say he's a weak one starter. He had a sack, a big run stop in this game. So it's really been positives for the Steelers for Derek Harmon. You never know if those first round picks look like first round picks, and he does right away. All right, let's go to the Giants and the Jets. you know, this is, this was the Snoopy Bowl back in the day with Rex Ryan.

Way back when like Joe Namath was playing, this is how I can't understand what football was like then. Supposedly like a preseason game following the Jet Super Bowl, Nick, the guarantee by Joe Namath. Like the preseason game, the following year, by all accounts, was a bigger deal than the Super Bowl the previous year, which is hard for our mind to really wrap around. But like in terms of audience, fans there, like people weren't really into the Super Bowl back then, but the New York people were into the New York teams and the Giants were the, it's hard to really imagine that being the case. I would not say it was that big a deal this year, but Drew Locke is coming, bro. Like, he might be the number one story of the preseason so far.

Jackson Dart playing this well and kind of putting that, you know, making that leash just a little tighter on Russell. Wilson. I think he is. I don't know what story is bigger, like a non-injury story. No, I agree. Watching this, I thought Russ played pretty well. Yes, good point. He had a classic like Russ fade, nice ripped down the middle type of thing. Like played like Russ is expected to play. But then there was, and I don't know if it was because of the portion in the game because dart comes in like the middle of the second quarter, right? There's like 730 left from the clock and suddenly dart's in. It's almost as if like somebody took a syringe and just injected them with adrenaline as an

offense. They just, like, ran a more competent offense. He was in complete control. I know, again, it's mid-second quarter, so you're not facing the full strength of what Russell Wilson might have been facing. But they just operated better. They just, they seemed like an offense that could really move the football. I, call me crazy. But after two preseason games and reading through the tea leaves and the lines of how Brian Dable treated the first game, I would not be surprised if we saw Jackson Dart win that job and pull a classic Russell Wilson over Matt Flynn situation at this point. It's crazy. It's New York. All the spotlights on him. But for all of that, I feel like DART is actually capable of handling that. And he's played really well through two

games. I agree with you. I am a little pushed off that by Dable immediately at the press conference afterwards saying Russ is their starter. You know, that was the question. But we've seen coaches back off that after, you know, either watching more games or watching the film or talking to the two guys. So it's not that crazy. I saw Dan Duggan of the athletic getting pushed back for basically writing a column. Not even saying that I keep wanting to call him

Drew Locke for some reason, Jackson Dart. They just seem so similar. Drew Locke had that game. He balled out last year. It's so similar in terms of vibes that all he was saying was, man, it might not be long until we see Dart, but that no challenge for week one.

It's not crazy at all. And it was almost like when Dart came in the game, suddenly Dayball is like just felt alive and was just doing everything. The offense was totally different. It was up-tempo. It was playing all to Jackson Darts strengths. It was a totally different offense.

And I kind of was thinking like, well, if you're going to totally change the offense for the guy who's your future, it's like, why wait till week three? Just do it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Just do it.

Like we don't need. The bridge quarterback is the bridge quarterback because you need to get to the other side of the bridge. if you already know or have the destination the route to the other side go there just go there

skip the travel just get to the next guy I might be crazy I might be again hyperbolic here but I think that if you feel that confident about this guy and he showed

what he showed through two preseason games just do it who cares who cares you're coaching for your job who cares take the guy you like right it just it just won't be long

like Russell Wilson one bad game and he he could get bench and to your point he did look totally fine in this game that shot that he had was a 60-yard plus throw. I mean, it was sweet.

And they scored a touchdown on that drive. The, you know, the receiver, Bo Collins, undrafted rookie, who I assume is making this team because he was starting. We got like one yard short. You know, but then Russell Wilson, the next couple drives, they didn't score. He actually went punt-punt interception on a miscommunication, the next four drive.

So it wasn't like an amazing performance. Dart, I didn't think, was actually as flashy, as the first start. He didn't make as many wow throws. He just moved the offense and handled the screen plays and evaded pressure and everything was just like very professional. On the jet side, Justin Fields only went one for five for four yards. In two weeks, Nick, he has averaged 3.9 air yards per throw,

which is just wild. And like the Jets would say, we don't care. The second drive of this game, they ran the ball, Nick, 10 straight times. to start the drive before, before Fields through a pass, 11 out of 12 in what was, I think, a touchdown drive. Yeah, and I'm not one to try to find excuses for Justin Fields at this point in his career, but I do wonder, like, opponent, you know, like the Giants defense looked like world beaters against his offense with him on the field, no matter whether they ran or through.

And it wasn't until Martinez comes in and, you know, obviously you have your backups in. They start to move the football and he looked pretty solid, you know, for a backup. So I just wonder, like, is it, did he have two challenging defenses that he went against in the preseason as he's trying to figure out this offense? Or is it still, this is just who they're going to be? I'm not 100% certain. We'll find out in the regular season. But not encouraging, statistically. No, not encouraging. Well, and coming off, though, joint practices where all the reporters were like, the Jets didn't even try to throw the ball. And it's true. I mean, like, their number one receiver is very good, Garrett Wilson. Their number two is either Josh Reynolds or rookie tight and Mason Taylor. I mean, they are going to run the ball a lot. I think it was noteworthy. Breeze Hall was. rotating, you know, with the starters, with Braylon Allen. I just, you know, for fantasy, I just don't think he's going to be that volume guy this year. And then we've just been talking, you know, so much about, you know, the rookies in general. And Carter for the, Abdul Carter for the Giants and then Membu for the Jets,

like how amazing they look the week ago. So it's only fair to note that they had some down moments in this game. Membue definitely gave up a lot of pressure to the Giants. And on the Flipside. Carter did not have the crazy standout game. He kind of had a welcome to the NFL moment where you just got knocked on the ground and hit silly. So it'll happen. I'm really excited, though, to see those two guys when the regular season starts. Let's take a quick break. We've hit a couple of the quarterback battles. We've got more to come. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies

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visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Back on NFL Daily. We just talked to Battle of New York. There is no greater rivalry in the City of Angels than Chargers, Rams, pre-season. It's not remotely true. But sneaky, I don't think these teams like each other. It's not really about the teams.

It's more like you're sharing a building, like, I think it is a thing, but the preseason is not when you really find out much. Unfortunately, the biggest takeaway for me in this game, Shook was the Chargers receivers, which had some good with the young players, but bad when it came to Quentin Johnston. Yeah, Johnson takes a hard hit, knocks them out of the game. You know, worried about head injuries. You're worried about depth on this team,

and that's been a concern for us throughout this entire preseason. You know, we've heard, you know, Jordan said that Trey Harris has some stuff to him, I believe it's paraphrasing of what she said and yet we still have a group that we kind of have to sort out. This is also a group that saw Mike Williams unexpectedly retire. They bring in Keenan Allen

and kind of plug that gap. They're not in crisis, but it has not been easy for them as well. So this is not encouraging, but again, it's okay that it's happening in week two of the preseason and not week two of the regular season. There was an opportunity, though,

as a result for some of these guys lower on the depth chart to make a difference, Trey Harris being one of them. You want to talk about having some stuff to him, catches for 85 yards played really well in this game. Candre Lambert Smith, two for 66 as well. And then you get tight on Rahim Sanders getting involved with a couple of catches too. So it's not the worst, but again, it's preseason. You have to kind of figure out, all right, well, who are they playing against when you're evaluating? There are worse scenarios and situations

at receiver elsewhere than the Chargers, but for a playoff team that is clearly going to be a run first team that wants to win in the trenches, you would like to have, you know, reliable options. Luckily, you have Justin Herbert who's still going to make those guys better just because he's so good. Yeah, it's just so chargers, though. They never play their starters in the preseason. Reportedly, it was Justin Herbert's decision more than anything, like was kind of pushing hardball.

Like, I really want to play. He was like, okay, and you're going to play the starters then with him. Three plays in. He throws, you know, a beautiful ball down the field, which gets deflected. Then it goes through Johnston's hand, kind of an unnecessary hit by the Rams defender there who takes him out, and he's out cold.

and just like, man, this is so Chargers. Now, he immediately had a feeling he did go to a hospital, but it's a concussion. We're about three weeks until that Brazil game, so hopefully you can get healthy in time. And it was good to see Trey Harris do something. He'd been relatively quiet in camp compared to Goundre Lambert Smith,

who was a fifth round pick. Trey Harris was the second round pick. Lambert Smith, I think it's safe to say, had a better camp and definitely a better preseason before tonight. But then Trey Lamp Lance comes in and he starts forcing him some balls in difficult situation. And I thought this was Trey Lance's best game.

I know Trey Lans has looked really good this preseason, but it's mostly been running in this game. He tried a couple throws into tough spots that were advanced throws for him. And Trey Harris really stepped up and you were like, okay, it was great to see it. And then Lambert Smith, who also took a big hit when Herbert was still in the game, and he went out for a minute, came back in and had two big throws. So I think you feel great that these two rookies have stepped up. Keenan Allen did start, though, over both of them.

I thought it was interesting how they used him and McConkey. You know, one was in the slot, McConkey to start, and Allen's on the outside. And then they kind of flip them during the drive. I think that's kind of how they're going to use it. But for now, it's Keenan Allen's job. All right, let's talk Rams, because Stetson Bennett is becoming a thing. Such a thing, I actually think it's time for Who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats. Stetson Bennett delivered.

I mean, I mentioned there's two candidates for preseason MVP earlier in the show. Nick, I think these are the two. I think it's Jared Stidham. You can tell me who else would be in there. And I think it's Stets and Bennett because you don't do much more than he did in this game going over 300 yards, three touchdowns, had a pick, but responded from it with a late touchdown to win the game and the battle of Ellis. Wesley, who just made that catch to the bottom of your screen.

Stetson stands in. Drills one, end zone. What a good word. Hello. From the mailman. Welcome to the NFL, Drew. He's got size. I saw it there.

What a finish from Stetson Bennett. My goodness. That was the trio that gets it done each and every week. Our friends, J.B. Long, Meena Kimes and Maurice Jones drew. Stetson Bennett had a fourth and ten, Nick, at the 48-yard line with 19 seconds to go, and they hit a 40-yarder, and then an eight-yarder to a man I wasn't familiar with. True Edwards for the game winner to win by one. I mean, that is very difficult to go from fourth and 10 at the 48 with 19 seconds to go down and touch that and win the game. How about that?

Well, he also converted a fourth and three with 41 seconds to go for a five-yard. completion as well. Like, they had to convert multiple fourth downs in this final drive. Look, you can say what you want about his ceiling or whatever and the fact that they're playing in the preseason, but I hate to sound like a classic college coach here,

but I'm going to. Guy's a winner. Guy was a winner in Georgia. Yeah, he took some time away from the team as a pro. He's been back. He's back, you know, he's re-centered himself. He's delivering in the clutch,

which obviously falls under this Uber Eats deliver award. And I think he deserves it. The question is, what does he deliver? delivering via Uber Eats other than W's and clutch touchdowns because I'm thinking like, what do I like to get delivered? Usually comfort food. Do I want fried chicken? Do I want, like, what is tasty? Because that was delicious for Stets and Bennett and the Rams. I mean, never, never say that Nick Shuck won't do everything and more. I mean, he's giving more value to this sponsor read than they even asked for. And you're absolutely right. And I think it

could matter. You know, Saturday morning, Matthew Stafford was supposed to work out with the team. They asked officials about it during the game. The Los Angeles Times reported the Ram said Sean McVeigh will address that Monday. So who knows? We don't need to talk about that anymore, but Bennett could matter for this team. He'd be the backup to Garoppolo, and he has played outstanding. That was who delivered presented by Uber Eats. When football makes you hungry, get game day meals on Uber Eats, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL order now. And, yeah, the last thing I'll say on Bennett was, you know, the Chargers defense. And Bennett played the whole game.

They deserve credit. It was kind of a nightmare start to the Chargers because the Rams' backups marched down the field and scored a touchdown on all the Chargers' starters. So it was a reverse of what you normally hear. And then they just let Bennett play the whole game. So he played the starters, the second stringers, the third, you know, he played against and with everyone. And he scored a really good drive with Quorumat running back and making nice throws against

the starters. But in the fourth quarter, the defensive coordinator for the Chargers actually dropped a defensive tackle into coverage, and Bennett got intercepted, and that defensive tackle just ran over Bennett. It was like one of the best highlights of the preseason. And then Bennett, you know, response. So fun, fun little preseason game. We had a couple this week. Let's go to the Ravens and the Cowboys. The Cooper Rush Revenge game, much less fun, Shook. I didn't have a ton of huge takeaways here other than like if the Cowboys have to just field backups this season, it will be the worst team in football because they have not, they have not looked good these first two weeks. Honestly, look, I'm not a hater without like

some sort of, you know, reason to be a hater. Joe Milton's looked really bad in the preseason. Now he finished nine for 18, but he was awful in the first half. It was like three for 10 and it was terrible. It was absolutely two first, first eight, couldn't, couldn't connect. threw another interception into double coverage in the end zone on a deep ball where you just let it rip. He's still sailing passes over guys. So yeah, if he has to play, you can leave the rest of the starters out there. If Dak can't play for some reason, and they have to go to Joe Milton, it's going to be a bad scenario for the Cowboys.

So that was my main takeaway on the Cowboys side. I still hate their running back room. And again, I sound like a hater. But Miles Sanders and Giovante Williams, I don't get inspired by that. Miles Sanders was ineffective in this game as well. Liked what I saw from Tyler Booker when he was out there. but the rest of my takeaways come from the Ravens side, which is that they can run the ball at Will still,

even with Ali as the main running back. He went 19 for 62. Yeah, it's only 3.3 at pop, but he had some really nice runs, especially some that he was able to bounce outside. And my guy, former Kent State Golden Flash, former North Carolina Tar Healed, DeVontes Walker was a key pass catcher in the first half.

He finished with six catches on eight targets for 61 yards. Five of those came in the first half. Could have had a touchdown of Rush would have put it on him. It was kind of a scramble drill play. Yeah, that's about it. Rush, you know, threw a couple of picks. Didn't look great. Didn't look as good as he used to look with the Cowboys.

I think they're still an adjustment period for them before they turn to Drew Leary. So a classic preseason game where you look at it after and you go, well, that happened. I watched that game. The most notable thing was who didn't play, I think, for the Cowboys. Javante Williams sat. And so I heard some talk after, especially from the Lope guys, like, okay, that's Giovante Williams winning the job. He is there starting running back, I think.

I think Phil Maffa, this rookie who I talked up at training camp, who I popped a big run on the day I was there, a 50-yard touchdown. I think he's going to make this team. He's played well. Jaden Blue is going to make this team. They might not even keep Miles Sanders there. Jonathan Mingo, who I wasn't sure was going to make the team anyways, hurt his knee.

It's reportedly a PCL injury. So just a little bit of a note there. And after the game, John Harbaugh announced, If there was any doubt, Tyler Loop is their kicker. Now, he did miss a 50-yarder in this game, but he is definitely their kicker. No surprise. They are Keaton Mitchell, who had missed all week of practice,

has a hamstring injury. They do think he's going to be back. And, yeah, in terms of the one-sided natures of the backups, I mean, I know it's just backups, but you don't want your backups to get seven first downs and the other team's backups to get 26 first downs. But that's where these two teams were at least over the week. Let's move on.

We don't need to spend too much time on this game. The 49ers and the Raiders, to me, were more fun because we got Gino out there. We got Brock Bowers out there with a really nice catch down the field. And then we got Ashton Genti truck sticking someone. Run again with Genty. That's a bulldozer. He is bouncing off defenders and dragged down. And Max Crosby's the first one off the sideline to give him a high five.

Great call there by the Raiders crew. That got me fired up. And yes, if you're listening to this in your ears, we do have a YouTube version of the show with the highlights. When we get to the Sunday regular season, we're all about the highlights and the calls. And it's just nice to get that back in the mix. So check that out, like and subscribe.

It was cool to see Ash and Genty, Chuck, just kind of look like Ash and Genty out there after a quiet first preseason week. I've seen enough out of him. Yeah, he can go on ice for the rest of the preseason. I don't need anything to be proven to me. I know who he is, and I know that his game is going to translate to the next level very well. And we saw multiple instances of this in that game, not just that truckstick run, but multiple runs for him.

He finished off that drive with a touchdown run as well, kind of barreled through a defender. But you talked about having home calls on preseason games, and I know that that was the home call for the Raiders. But if you listen, you can watch or you can listen, no matter how you're consuming this podcast right now, you can hear the energy in that voice right there, right? That was the energy emanating from Allegiance Stadium that day because, jeezing. and Gentie and Brock Bowers and Pete Carroll have injected so much life into this franchise seemingly overnight that it convinced me as I'm watching them go down the field and score. Oh my God, the Raiders might be fun again.

I might want to watch this team all season long. It's like a day and night transformation. I know it's the preseason, but it's been so long since the Silver and Black has taken the field and come out with like authority and an attitude. And they certainly embody that in this game. I know. Again, it's the preseason, but Gino was sharp. He looks like he's in complete command of that offense. I love the idea of him, you know, capitalizing with Brock Bowers all year.

That throw that he had to Brock Bowers, by the way, early in that game, he was not open. Brock Bowers just made a great play on a great ball by Gino. So super excited about their potential. Let's see that play. Genty, who was right behind. Gino Smith. Passing on first down, taking a shot for Bowers. Oh, what a good one.

Over the safety, Jaya, Brown. And that's a pickup of 30. Best on best. There were a lot of starters on the field for the 49ers, by the way. So it was starters. I liked how Gino was changing the protections, changing the calls, getting them into the right spot. A couple surprises for the Raiders.

You know, right now, at least. I don't put too much into the preseason. But, like, Bowers is kind of like coming in and on and off the field. I'm just guessing that while mayor just stays there. I'm guessing that's just the preseason. They don't want to put him too much on him right now. Jack Bess is definitely not a starter, not playing with the starters. The rookie Dante Thornton drafted much later is a starter.

Jackson Powers Johnson, who was drafted high, is definitely not the starter. They confirm that at center. It's going to be Jordan Meredith, and JPJ is competing just to start at Guard. And then here was someone I had never heard of. I have to admit before, a man by the name of Q, Blue, Kelly, Q, first name, blue, middle name or part of the first name. I'm not sure, but two different words. Kelly, I was starting at cornerback, and he had all week,

a guy who had been on the practice squad previously, been in the league for three years, they're searching there, and they're just trying to find guys that Pete Carroll can believe in. He was actually with the Cocks a couple years ago, so he knows him, and he might be their starting cornerback. They are thin there. The 49ers are just trying to get through this preseason shook, healthy,

and it's not really working. Dominic Poonie, their good young guard, who played really well last year is reportedly going to be out a few weeks with a PCL injury. And then they had a couple more running backs go down in this game. Not guys we know that well.

Corey Kiner and Patrick Taylor, but Corey Kiner was an undrafted guy who was going to make this team. And I counted it up now. Their top four backups behind Kristen McCaffrey are all hurt. I don't think any of them are super long term, but it's just weird that McCaffrey's like

the one guy that's healthy and everyone else is hurt there. Yeah. And there was an injury that saw McCaffrey come out there to kind of console his teammate. And it was just like, you could almost see in his eyes like, I'm reminded again of how fragile my career is. Like he's not even dressed.

But yeah, it's a little concerning for their offense. By the way, Brock Purdy looked really sharp when he was out there before they went down the depth charts of Mack Jones, who threw a pretty awful interception. But it kind of reminded me of, you know, I talked so glowingly about the Raiders' offense. I am concerned about this defense for the reason

that you just explained. And also, they kind of got shredded. And I know Jeremy Chin has always been a playmaker at safety and made a play on that interception. But I think that's going to be a real weakness for them this year. I think they're going to end up in a lot of relatively high-scoring games because that's the only way they're going to be able to win based on what I've seen.

And it makes me wonder, why did you go trade Jacorian Bennett last week if you are so thin in the secondary? A lot to sort out there before we get to week one. Yeah, not a scheme fit, I guess, would be the answer. but yeah, we'll get to the Patriots, but they have one of the best matchups for fantasy and reality. Their offense in week one going up against this Raiders defense. One guy we haven't mentioned that was good with when Purdy was on the field

was DeMarcus Robinson, the former Ram, who they actually gave pretty good money to. He is expected to be suspended at the beginning of the season. He will be suspended at the beginning of the season. But when he comes back in, like he will be a key part of the rotation. And Pearsall, the hype for him as like a wide receiver one continues, He was like he had a nice game. The 49 is a reminder, like, they really needed a draft to hit,

and I think it's going to happen. But man, the draft is so unpredictable. Michael Williams has been hurt, but he's expected to start their first round pick. But I went and looked through it. And their second round pick, Alfred Collins, taking 43 overall, just does not look ready to contribute as really struggled. It might be pretty deep on that depth chart. And then their next pick, Nick Martin at linebacker, really struggled last week.

Was a little better this week, but it's pretty far down the depth chart. So those guys aren't going to contribute. Yet, the 249th pick Connor Colby might be their starting guard. The 160th pick, Marquez Sigley, has been rising and might be their starting safety. And then Upton Stout was a late third round pick, the 100th pick in the draft, and almost certainly is their starting nickel. So it doesn't really matter where you find them. But it reminds us, remember when we project like, oh, this guy will fit there.

This is the draft class. It's like, you really don't know until you get to this time of the season. It sounds like they found some late round guys, but their mid-round, you know, earlier picks, not hitting as much, but you'll take it if you get three or four contributing rookies. And I have two takeaways from this. This is number one, why draft grades are the most useless exercise in sports media, like immediate draft grades.

None of you have any idea how they're going to fit or how they're going to play in that team or how they're going to acclimate to the pro game. And the other is this is also why it's important to make sure that you attack position groups of need with veterans in the off season. And that was my main takeaway from this game for the Niners was that guys like DeMarcus Robinson, even Russell Gage, he made a really nice diving catch in this game where I was like, oh yeah, he's on this team.

He could make a difference because they're going to need these guys because IEuk's still coming back from the knee injury. It's, I give credit to John Lynch for at least approaching this from both angles, from all right, look, we may be a little thin there. Let's go pick up some veterans who might be on their last contract or second to last contract, give them another shot. see if they can perform and at least in this game a lot of them did yeah demarkas robinson i should clarify is quote bracing for a three game suspension and it's an automatic three game suspension

usually when you plead you know guilty or no contest to a DUI which is what happened but the suspension hasn't actually happened yet so just just for clarification purposes let's move on to the browns and the Eagles, and we've got a trade, Shucky, on Sunday. Kind of a challenge trade? I don't know what you would call it. The Texans traded John Mechie, the wide receiver, and a fifth round pick, I believe, to Harrison, to the Eagles, for Harrison Bryant, a tight end, and another pick.

It was actually them trading back the picks that they had traded each other, day three picks in the Chauncey Gardner Johnson trade, which is just like, what are we even doing here? But I don't know if you have any takeaways. Mecchi overcame, you know, cancer when he first entered the league, was on the roster bubble. And this is maybe a chance for him to stick with the Eagles when I'm guessing he wasn't like a lock to make this Texans roster.

Yeah, a couple of takeaways. One, Nick Castorio and Howie Roseman, just apparently loved to talk to each other on the phone because this is the second time that the, Texans have traded a former traffic that they no longer like to the Eagles, the other one being Kenyon Green, the guard that they sent to the Eagles in the offseason. So I, you know, I liked, I think I talked about this on the show last week, which is that METCHI served an important purpose in their first preseason game as just a volume catcher. But I do think that as they

sift through this depth chart, they probably just didn't see room for him and felt they needed to get something for him. And what they got is a body at tight end in Harrison Bryant, who's been around the league. He started his career with the Browns. He's an Ivy League. And he's a guy that can fill a spot that was left open by Brevin Jordan's injury. So a guy that can compete for a job. They have, you know, Dalton Schultz, Cade Stover and Irv Smith Jr. on that depth chair as well. So there's no guarantee that he ends up even on this roster.

But I think at this point, if you're making that deal, you're looking at, look, we have too many receivers. We don't think Metchie's going to make the team. Let's move him now to a team that might give him an opportunity, get a player back that we would like to at least get into the mix before the end of training came in preseason. Yeah. And to be clear, and this hurts.

it's my brain because they're trading the picks back and forth, but the Texans moved back up. In the previous trade, they had moved down from the fifth to the sixth, like swapping the two-teens' picks. And now they move back up as part of this trade, which is indicating like Mechie is, you know, a little bit more valuable in this case than Brian. We'll see because, you know, he's got to go make that team. I really like what I've heard out of Jahan Dotson. He's a solid three for the Eagles this year. so Mechie's kind of battling to be the four. In terms of the game, it was not Eagles Texans.

It was Eagles Browns, and we got a whole new round of Browns quarterback takes. Let's not talk about Dylan Gabriel's comment on the sideline at this point. Let's just talk, Shook, about what you saw and have heard and think about where Dylan Gabriel and this Brown's quarterback situation is at. You mean you're creating me the opportunity to keep it on the field, keeping the excellent notes. My God, I feel so blessed. In today's climate, yeah, Dylan Gabriel started four-for-four-four.

Heck of a first drive, completed three passes on third down to keep that drive going. They marched down the field, not quickly, but methodically and scored a touchdown. And then, you know, Twitter's ablaze. Oh, my God, he looks so good. Now we see why he was the third-round pick. The next drive, he fails to give up on a play that he should just throw the ball away. throws it between two targets, a tight end and Deontay Johnson. Tight end kind of gives up on the ball and it ends up in the hands of a rookie

Andrew McCuba who returns it for a touchdown. Deonté gave up on that play, but also can't really blame him. He was behind him. He wasn't going to catch him. So the highs and lows of a first appearance for Dylan Gabriel, I thought that, you know, he's a shorter quarterback. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but he went out there and clearly understood what he was supposed to do on a play-by-play basis.

and again, through with a lot of conviction. I listened to Kevin O'Connell talk about that with J.J. McCarthy this week. He's throwing with conviction. That's what we need. And I saw that from Dylan Gabriel, which was encouraging. You know, from there, he finished 13 of 18, 143 yards. The stat line doesn't look as good as Shador's last week.

Everyone's going to throw that graphic up on social media and point to that. But overall, I thought it was a solid appearance for him. And I still have no clarity on what's going on beyond Joe Flacco with this team, which really just is kind of the Browns in a nutshell. So after the game and then in a press conference later, Stefanski confirmed that he will announce the starter early this week. So you assume it's Joe Flacko. He's taking all the starting reps in the last few weeks in the joint practices. And you assume Stefansky just wants to talk to everyone.

After that, the question to me is just, you know, do you keep Kenny Pickett on the team or not? and what do you, what do you even do with him over the next week or two? Because you've almost had a best case scenario in the preseason. Obviously, you would have liked Gabriel and Shadur to be healthier, but they both played better, I think, in the preseason, than you would have expected. And so the whole point of this season, according to Stavansky, is just developing these quarterbacks.

And to me, Gabriel, despite having two turnovers, which is a big despite, I really do blame the tight end on that play for totally giving up. Gabriel also shouldn't have made that throw but I think it was Whiteheart or whatever like it was a weird play and Gabriel forced it but otherwise like

I thought he was everything Kevin Stavansky wanted wants in a quarterback you're right throwing with conviction I mean he almost has to take a crow hop to like get it in there he's poor man's Baker Mayfield that's what I've said about him since they drafted him he's poor man's Baker Mayfield here's the thing though like

they took him in the third round because someone really wanted him. And I have to just assume Kevin Stefanski, who's the quarterback guy, is that someone. And after hearing that Gabriel had struggled early in camp, the fact that he reportedly played quite well in the joint practice and then in this game, like he had a really good week. I think Shadur had a really good week the week before. Good problem. And I bet they'll both play this year. I just, I just bet they will. And Kenny Pickett doesn't really make much sense. So that's my trade Kenny Pickett to the Cowboys so that they don't have to. to lean on Joe Milton in case of emergency.

How about that? Everybody wins. It's a pretty good idea, to be honest. And don't take less than like a fifth round pick because you know the Cowboys will overpay. Yeah. And the Browns, the Browns would absolutely take a pick swap from the sixth to the seventh,

just like anything, just because why not? Jack up the price. Jack it up. Just jack up the price. Andrew Berry likes to do that with Stephen Jones. We've learned that with the Amari Cooper trade. That's a good call. That's our Browns.

And yeah, the comment by Dylan Gabriel, I believe the young man when he said, this is a quote that I've given many times before. He almost was saying, like, hey, I'm a really boring athlete who just falls into cliches. Like, join the club. A lot of quarterbacks are like that. And I've said this many times and no one's ever. And when he said that, I was like, okay, well, that makes sense. Like, move on.

Dylan Samson looks like he's the starter at running back right now. And that's good. On the Eagle side, they didn't play many starters. They didn't even play Tanner McKee. Like, he's too good to even play in the preseason now. So not a ton of takeaways, but they still are searching for that second cornerback. And you mentioned DeCorian Bennett earlier, and he had some nice plays.

And I think he's got a chance to win this starting job because Kili Ringo keeps struggling for this team. So you also mentioned Andrew McCuba with the pick six. He actually had two turnovers. He fell on a fumble, but you're trying to win a starting job. as a rookie like that's how you do it you get you get two turnovers so it's basically him or sidney brown at that position and I think right it was stat line wise it doesn't look good beyond that but like from the tape itself he guys got an instinct for the ball and that's what you need

out of your safety especially in that defense so I think it's strong Bennett had a really good pass breakup in cover where I was like wow the Raiders traded that guy again I like historian Bennett I liked him as as a rookie at least I think he's like a natural it kind of reminds me a little bit of a Dory Jackson who's also on on the Eagles. Johnny Wilson barely plays. He's kind of locked up like the fourth spot. That's why I'm like,

where is Metchy going to fit in there? And then A.J. Dylan, just for fantasy heads out, they're definitely behind Will Shipley. Not totally sure he's going to make this team. All right. That is a lot on the Browns and the Eagles,

but I had a good time. Let's go to the Patriots and the Vikings. Drake Mays come out in these two games and looked a little skittish off the top, like a little lucky not to have more turnovers than he, than he's had. Not a big deal, but just on my radar, just a little jumpy. And he was out there. I do like that Trayvion Henderson has just looked awesome in both games, just in limited work.

And the cool thing to me, shook, was that he just started taking normal reps. He's got a fullback in front of him on the goal line. He's doing inside runs. It wasn't like, hey, this is our third down back. It was, hey, this is a real running back. Yeah, and he broke a couple arm tackles on that touchdown run. I've seen the physicality that we used to see from him at Ohio State. I love their

backfield. If Ramandre can keep himself from fumble in the football, I think they're going to be one of the more physical and potentially explosive, you know, classic backfields in the NFL, which I think bodes well when you're, you know, entering a season with a second year quarterback on an offensive line that still has to prove itself and figure out how to gel, especially after how

bad it was last year. So all of those are positives for me. I also, you know, you talk about Drake being skittish and I agree, but there was that one play where he he like broke the pocket right and threw kind of off platform to a wide open Mac Collins where I was like, oh, look at that arm. I was just like, yeah, put it on him on the sideline. So I think that, you know, we're on track for him to have a very solid year too as well.

And on the Viking side, there's like not really much to say because they didn't play anybody. No, there wasn't much. Like the max, is it Max Brosmer? Yeah, Max Brosmer. Sometimes they, I think they found something. See a seventh round picker, undrafted guy? I think they found a guy that Kevin O'Connell is going to be excited to develop as the long-term backup. and he might be the short-term backup.

I'm not sure, like, Sam Howell was bad in this game. Not sure, like, they'll keep a veteran with him. I would assume it would be Howell, not ripping, but Brosmer looks pretty good. Jalen Naylor heard his hand in this game. They're already really thin at wide receiver. Let's get back on the field, Justin Jefferson. At a certain point, them saying it's not a big deal, like this next week, if he's not back on the field, I start to be a little worried.

And then just a couple final Patriots notes. Efton Chisham, who Jordan also says a little. something to him. Like he's a big winner in this training camp in this game. I think he goes six for 71, had two big joint practices. He's making this team. So they're just, they're not going to risk putting him through waivers. Him, we talked about this big wide receiver group coming into camp. To me, the two biggest winners have been Efton Chisholm, a rookie undrafted. And Keishon Booty, who I just didn't think was going to be a guy who cemented himself as a playmaker who's going to start for this team,

but that is where he's at. He is going to start for this team. Also, their seventh round pick at tackle, Marcus Bryant, like is carving out a pretty big role either as their swing tackle or maybe even as a starter. Kyle Williams, my favorite young receiver on this team, who's been pretty good, too,

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will potentially get out of date. soon but i have a strong gut feeling it's going to daniel jones and i don't like it and the following quote from stuyken is is part of that feeling let's listen it's everything right the operation the communication in the huddle the checks getting guys on the same page uh the consistency of all that um obviously is going to play a big factor in this i've seen obviously three weeks of it so um I'd like to have a decision here shortly. Okay, that was Stuyken being asked

what's going to go into it. Consistency. Operation. It just sounds like Daniel Jones. And then I thought about the way he did this game shook. You remember how they were going to have to flip-flop because Richardson didn't really get his chance? Well, in the end, Daniel Jones still got to play two whole series

and play the first quarter. When Tyler Warren was on the field, when Michael Pittman was on the field when Quentin Nelson was on the field you know who's on the field with him Daniel Jones and I just think about the money they gave him I don't like it

but it just makes me feel like the fix was in for Daniel Jones this whole time that a tie goes to Daniel Jones you would think it'd be a tie goes to Richardson you know the conspiracy theories shook that they were setting up Shudur to fail a little bit in Cleveland That might be a little more true in Indianapolis.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think they had, I don't think David Ojalo was an inside job. Like, you know, knocking Richardson out of the game in Baltimore. I'm not saying that either. I know. But I'm glad you brought that up. I think that was the moment. I do think that was the moment.

Yeah. I think that was the moment he lost his job. And it's, it is a bummer because if you look at it just from snap by snap, it's very close. Like, neither has been great. And I would lean Richardson, but I agree.

with you when you read through the lines between the lines of what he's saying there, which is this is their big gripe with him in the past was that he wasn't prepping like a pro. He didn't handle the job like a pro. He asked out of a play in Houston last year because he was tired. And if that's what he's emphasizing at this point, yeah, it leans toward Daniel Jones.

I hate it because I think their ceiling is low. I think it's pretty low regardless unless Richardson took a big step forward, but at least Richardson has that in him. I don't know if Daniel Jones does. But again, I feel like Stuyken is feeling the pressure. And if anything, he wants somebody that he can count on to at least get everything organized and set up correctly, operationally,

and then let the chips fall where they may. Right. Like, Daniel Jones started this game with two ugly passes, and it got me thinking, this is what I'm talking about, about not the fix, but about pushing the scale a little bit. Then he came back out for another drive. Like, they didn't want it to end on that. And to be fair, Daniel Jones had a couple really nice throws on the second drive. But to me, it's very Daniel Jones that you win.

the job with a couple really nice throws on like a long, pretty boring field goal drive. You know, it was like, I don't know. Like Anthony Richardson also played like fairly well in this game after a slow start. But he was up. He was down. Just everything you hear makes it sound like these two guys have kind of been exactly what you would expect. And I just got to thinking, like I think they know Anthony Richardson.

so well. If they believed in him, they would have been backing him a little more. You know what I mean? This has kind of been a worst case scenario because both guys are just like the C version of themselves, which is like no one is really winning. But what did you expect when you brought this pairing into camp? Right. You thought Daniel Jones was just suddenly going to turn over a new leaf because he's wearing a horseshoe on the side of his helmet now. He's still the same guy he's been for the last few years. That was one of the things I jotted down while watching the game live. I'm just like, still the same guy. Oh, that was a nice throw.

There it is. That's Daniel Jones, same guy. And it just sucks because I would like more for Colts fans. They'll both play in the end, right? I mean, what are the odds? That's terrible. That's not the scenario you want. Right.

I was really taken by James Boyd of the Athletic. I had a great tidbit in a joint practice right up between the Giants and the Colts. And it was Xavier McKinney, former giant, former Daniel Jones teammate, yelling at Daniel Jones as Daniel Jones just dinked and dunked down the field and kept throwing short on third and long when they're going against the Packers. And he just yells at him, DJ, throw it deep. Like, show off that arm. And then he did it and he like, he throws it short again.

And he yells at him again. And I'm like, man, you got Xavier McKinney. just yelling at you for being a dink and dunk merchant. Meanwhile, they had a ton of injuries in this game. Their offensive line has not played well. If you think I'm down on the Colts, I am. I am. Josh Downs got hurt in this game.

Maybe their best receiver. Let's talk about the Packers. Do you have anything to say on the Packers? They sat 29 players in this game. So at least from this game, there probably isn't like a ton. Yeah, I mean, their leading rusher was Izzy Abonaconda. And the main takeaway for me was, oh my God, this operation is so damn sloppy.

This game was an absolute drag. I had two games on at once. They had 23 combined accepted penalties for almost 200 penalty yards. And the Packers, I mean, they brought themselves of multiple scoring opportunities. Taylor O'Gurzma, the Canadian quarterback

who won the Canadian Heisman, throws a beautiful pass over the middle to a tight end who catches it on the goal line. Tough grab for a touchdown, wiped out by illegal formation. same player had two illegal formation penalties on the same drive. I'm just like, I know Matt LaFleur is going to be pulling his hair out right now because

it's got to be clean operation. He had five penalties in the first quarter. You don't see that too much. Second round pick. He got chewed out by LaFleur. LaFleur did reveal some thing over the weekend though in a press coverage. I think it was Sunday saying the left tackle is a competition now.

And Jordan Morgan, who started their first round pick from a year ago, played at left tackle in this game. It sounds to me like they like what they are seen out of Jordan Morgan and maybe they're going to elevate him over Rashad Walker, who's been their starter the last couple of years. So a little nugget there. And then Marshaun Lloyd, they're running back. It was going to be the backup to Josh Jacobs. So if you're drafting, like you can't trust this guy every time he plays against her and he had a hamstring injury in this game. Let's go to the Texans. We mentioned them earlier in terms of the

John Mechie trade. But they did play a game and they won. They won easy. to three against the Panthers. Nick Chubb getting the start at running back shook and the offensive line showed some good physicality. And Chubb's interesting to me that he was first up, played all the snaps really with the starters and when C.J. Stroud was out there. Yeah, there was a sequence where it was just like Chubb up the middle,

Chub up the middle, Chub up the middle. So it kind of robs you of the ability to judge whether he is getting some of his juice back. I thought he looked better than he did last year. He still doesn't look like the same old Nick Chub. I don't think he ever is going. to. But he was a little quicker than he was last year. And, you know, five for 25, I think, you know, so five yards of pop that's solid in a limited outing. I also really like what they

have in Woody Marks. Like we've talked about, oh, what's the running back situation with Joe mixing out and Nick Chubbs like the lead replacement. I think Woody Marks is going to, is going to factor into how they operate on the ground this season. C.J. Stroud's out there for a little bit, six of eight for 44 yards, leads a nice touchdown drive. And Nico Collins is on the field at that time as well. So, uh, you know, I mean, it's, they're playing the Panthers. The Panthers looked bad offensively against the Texan defense. They were playing their starters, the Panthers. And the Texans defense is going to make you look, most teams look bad. So I, I look, look, low ceiling for the Panthers, low bar. Uh, and other than that, just not a lot to really

glean from this game overall, because before long, Keaton's Lobis was in the game. Yeah. I watched as many of these running backs as I could this weekend, like just, you know, just their snaps and because I agree with our friend Chris Wesleyan who would always say you know in preseason you can see the rookie runners that pop right you know it's not that hard to scout runners relatively and I think you can see their ability against backups or not like Caleb Johnson to me at least right now is running a little like not what I want to see yet I think the guy I like the best was Woody Marks like of the like lower guys like great lateral quickness was doing some good inside runs, not just they're done. I mean, he's smaller, but he runs hard.

So if you get mixing back healthier, if it's a chub or Pierce combo with marks, that'll work. And in general, I know our friend Seth Payne is just liked the cohesion, the aggression, the offensive line just looks more competent. That's all we're looking for, especially in the running game. Does it look more competent? And they look pretty good here. Jaden Higgins also played a little bit with the first team offense, not a top. their second round pick and man his feet really move well at that size on the panthers side yeah you mentioned it the first team for the panthers had negative yardage in two series and then they just took brys young out there's like we don't want to mess with that andy dalton hurt his elbow in this

game and so we don't know his situation and i can't remember i think i mentioned this on a previous show. Nick Scorton, the draft pick for the Panthers, had suffered a collapsed lung on Thursday's practice, and it might be a little more serious than they realized, and we'll see what his status is. But the Panthers signed Bryce Perkins, who I think was like the UFL MVP or something, which does not bode well for Andy Dalton, or maybe they just need another arm to show up at camp. Yeah, I don't know if you're not. No, it's just the arm for camp. Unless the Dalton thing's serious, but I don't think it's serious. I think it's just another arm for game.

It's the Tyler Huntley of the Panthers, essentially. They have another preseason game to play. Now that I think about it, the John Metchie trade makes more sense, too, because Xavier Hutchinson was playing with the starters actually over Jaden Higgins, because Higgins is kind of Nico Collins' backup, but Hutchinson is more of like a slot guy,

and so maybe he is making this team, if you're into that. Rico Dowdell was their third round, their third downback behind Chuba Hubbard. Let's go to the Dolphins and the Lions, two teams that did not play that many starters, which is good, Shook, because frankly, this show is going a little too long. I don't know. People love this show. This show, people just tell me, they do.

They love the Sunday night show. I think we can call two things from this game, though. Number one, Kyle Allen is the backup quarterback for the Lions. He's just easily outplayed Hanlonoker. And number two, I've seen enough of Isaac to Slah. I might have to put him into the preseason MVP mix just for how he's made me feel. It's more of a feel award.

Yeah, I get real juiced up to watch the lines in the preseason just because I know Isaac just law is out there. And frankly, I'm going to be just as excited to see how he fits in this offense in the regular season because I think he's going to make a difference. I loved his tape at Arkansas. This was one of my favorite guys coming out of the draft that ended up being a mid-brown guy.

And it really is exciting and a little bit satisfying to see them carry over and instantly produced even in the preseason. just a natural fit. I think he's going to be great for them. I had another point. I think Zach Wilson is fine as your backup quarterback. He looked fine. He looked comfortable in that offense. I think he's fine. A little bit of a Quinn Ewer's bounce back too. We mentioned that we went five for 18. So it's only fair to mention he looked much better this week. Jonah Sabaya, it was the only starter out there with the dolphins and has struggled a little bit in

the preseason in terms of their offensive linemen that he was a second round pick. I believe the Patriots would have taken him over Travion Henderson if he had been available, according to just piecing together a few reports. That might prove to work out well for the Patriots, just because Henderson looks like a good player. Devon A. Chan has a soft tissue injury, and they say it could be days or it could be weeks. That's what Mike McDaniel said about both A. Chan and Zach Seeler, who are both really important players, obviously.

Tyree Kill also has been out with an oblique injury. They didn't play starters, like I mentioned. Cam Smith, by the way, the former second round pick barely played. I think he is going to get cut. And Jalen Wright seems pretty locked into that like Rahim Moster

RB2 role. Maybe RB1 if A. Chan isn't healthy. Yeah, but I like Jaylen Wright. I like what Jalen Wright brings to the field, by the way. I keep an eye on him. I think he's an explosive guy that people don't really pay attention to because A.C. is in that backfield. Keep an eye on him.

So Slah's going to be a factor. I had my doubts, and Jeremiah was talking him up, and I think he's going to matter in this season, which is a big surprise. This is what the preseason is for to learn nuggets like that, because you can't count on that guy. He didn't see a lot of, but he's in the right offense, and man, he makes some awesome plays.

We're going all the way back to Friday night now. Seahawks, Chiefs. I don't know if I've ever seen a first round pick at Guard, Shook, have a flashier debut. I guess this was the second game, but a flashier preseason game than Gray's Abel. Gray's Abel is just out there making crazy blocks in space and suddenly the Seattle offensive line is fixed,

at least in the middle of August. Was it Nate Tice who posted the reel of all of his great blocking? Oh, and so I'm watching it. And I'm like, well, that was good. Wow, that was great. Wow, he could really move. He's a load and he can really move and he's great on impact. And then it hits me like on the third clip.

I'm like, this is all zone runs. And then I went, oh, click Cubia. it's the classic Kubiak offense right there like of course and it all made sense to me and it made sense why they drafted him because he has those physical tools this was an offensive line that was terrible last year and you don't make it into a stellar offensive line overnight but getting a guard that can play that well even if it's just in the preseason is a big step forward especially for how they want to approach this offense and how you want to run out of the zone and you want to have the back to the quarterback's back to line of scrimbion and run play action stuff like that big win for them and and and And, yeah, a show-off type of performance for him against Kansas City. And, you know, a bit of prime time there, a little West Coast prime time. I'm excited for him. It was preposterous how much they dominated running the ball against the chiefs. It was something like 119 yards, I think, in the first quarter.

They just, they did everything. Like, Sam Darnel was in there and was perfect. But all he had to do was do a couple, you know, rollouts and boot actions and just throw these easy passes because they ran so well. They bring Jalen Milrow out for a tush push on third and short at midfield with Darnold on the field. Yeah, like, give me some more. It was definitely giving Clint Kubiak early September Saints vibes. But I'll take it.

Like the way that this offensive line has been in the past, they were in unison. They were playing aggressive. They're healthier. They have Abe Lucas, I think is a really important player for them. And so to me, you know, it's just the preseason, but reason for optimism. They also got Ken Walker back at practice on Sunday. and then Ucheno Nuwosu passed his physical. They're very good pass rusher who's been on the NFI list, I believe,

and now we'll start practicing with the team. So some good injury news there. The Chiefs weren't playing their starters, and yet they had four guys hurt in this game that I think we're set to make the team, really depth mostly in the secondary, Mike Edwards, Nasey Johnson, Noah Williams. So we'll see. Not a lot of takeaways for me with the Chiefs, other than Taekwon Thornton is making this team.

He's making plays, and he's playing as either the fourth or the fifth receiver. I don't think Sky Moore is making this team, which it's always a catch-22, shook. He had a punt return touchdown at the end of the game. Long play, like maybe one of his best plays as a pro. But it's like the catch-22. It's like Kyle Dugger had an interception to end the Patriots game. But he was playing the fourth quarter. But you're playing in the final seconds of the fourth quarter.

That's actually more bad than good, ultimately. Yeah. I actually am surprised that, look, I'm a Mac guy, and Skymore was a very productive receiver at Western Michigan, and I was hoping for the best for him. And I'm surprised that the experiment lasted this long. So not at all shocked that he's not going to make this team. He just hasn't, he's never found us.

And, you know, I feel like receivers like that, you know, when you come to the league with like elite level talent, you can find a way to fit in, Xavier worthy, you know, elite level speed type. You can find a way to fit into the cheese offense. When you don't have quite that, I think it's harder for you to find your role within Kansas City's offense, especially a team with such high expectations. So I don't think this is the end for him in his NFL career by any means, but I do think that they're pairing, you know, sourd a while ago.

Yeah, and they have a fourth round pick, Jalen Royals, who's making this team, and then you know who does have elite speed, shook. Former Bill Belichick's second round pick, Tyquan Thornton. That's what he's got, and he's making plays. let's move on to our final game. Titans, Falcons. Falcons sat everyone. They sat their backups. They keep doing this. It's interesting to me that James Pierce and Jalen Walker keep playing when no one else is. I don't know if they just want to see more. He is playing a lot. Jalen Walker actually was hurt, I believe, not playing. But Pierce got a pressure in this game. Not many takeaways for me. DJ Chark seems like he is not making this team if you're curious. In casey, Casey,

Washington is Kim Ward did play. Not amazing, Shook, but he did have one really great throw to Van Jefferson, and Van Jefferson dropped it. And I hate, and don't want to be a hater, but as I watched it, I went, ah, there's Van Jefferson dropping a great ball again. Right. He also had a really nice throw, and I know he completed like two to seven passes, so there's not a lot to work with, right? But it was, I think it was, might have been Ward's first throw of the game. Pocket collapses to the right and he's like backed up in the shadow of his own goalposts he slides out of the pocket feels the pressure keeps his eyes downfield and hits one of those like wrist flick throws that you saw him do at miami a lot to alec i omanor and for a 35 yard game and i'm like oh yeah

there it is that's it let me see more of that but my biggest concern that i came away with after watching this game like i could lose sleep over this realistically are they going to ever have any guys who get separation because if this is the situation for them all year it's going to be rough for him. And it can't, it's not even going to be his fault. Throughout that game, and I know Ridley and Lockett are not, you know, out there making plays and everything, but it just didn't see any separation from these guys. You got to get open to take advantage of your first round pick and your number one overall picking Cam Ward. I am worried he's going to have a Caleb Williams type of season that everything gets blown up. A.U. Manor. That's what we settled on

pronunciation. Me and, uh, Manor. I heard a different one on the podcast, too. Yeah, he does look good. He might be wide receiver too on this team. I actually wouldn't be surprised the fourth round rookie behind Calvin Ridley. They're putting him in motion. I think they're going to use him quite a bit. They're also going to use the rookie Gunner Helm. Let's wrap the show with at least one more highlight. First and 10 for the 25 of the Falcons. Alan taking the shot down the field to the end zone. Helm touchdown. From Brandon Allen to Gunner Helm. That's what the preseason is all about.

Gunter Helm just mossing people week after week. Wait room, baby. Rookie tight end. Let's go. Wait room. Show the guns off. Get up there. Bodyed two guys to make a grab on the goal line.

That's preseason. That's what it's all about right there. It is. Look, we're rolling here. I mentioned Jeremiah. Like, we've got two 40s and free agents talking about the AFC South, NFC South coming up this week. We've got a full slate of NFL daily shows.

We actually Shook only have one more of these preseason recaps next Sunday. So the preseason, they say it's six weeks. If, you know, from the very beginning of practice to the end, it feels even longer. But we're getting close to the regular season. Used to be six games. Oh, my gosh. It's too much. We're going to be back in the studio.

I'm going to be talking to my friend J.P. Acosta. We're going to talk news. We're going to talk the most. most intriguing offenses in the league. And I'm not going to put the Titans there, but like when Gunner Helm is just mossing people, that is, that's

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