NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Preseason Winners and Losers with Arif Hasan

Episode Date: August 23, 2021

A room filled with only two heroes - Dan Hanzus and Gregg Rosenthal shuffle through the NFL news including Carson Wentz returning to practice and Cam Newton in COVID protocols. Arif Hasan joins the show to go over preseason winners and losers. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Around the NFL podcast is ready to get hurt by the Jets again. That's true. Money nailing it. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from a virtual room filled with just one hero. And it's Greg Rosenthal. We've got a mic and mad dog this baby, Gregie.

I don't know if Phil is the right word. I have been doing a few push-ups lately, but I'm not sure I quite fill the screen. And I haven't been hurt by the Jets at all. I've pretty much enjoyed the Jets experience, you know, throughout the podcast. Oh, I know you have, Greg. I mean, it's like, it is funny. because you are a respected football pundit and you're very good at your job. But it's so easy to see like when something bad happens to the Jets,

that little gleam in your eye. You can't wait to talk about it. Well, part of it was I shared this with West too is I do want just teams that are watchable. And that was one reason he couldn't wrap his arms around the Jets. It's just been a tough watch. Zach Wilson, we'll get to them. We're doing some winners and losers later. Zach Wilson's going to change my Jets experience.

Of course, I'm not going to be a Jets fan. We'll see. But if we'll make them watchable, I like what I see out of the young kid, that's going to make them a much better Sunday experience. The boy who will lead them, I hope. But you're right about Wes, and I couldn't blame Wes, but there is a difference. That's all. It's fine.

It's just like with the Giants. You are at your heart, even though you've moved across the country, still a New England guy in some ways. And you don't like the New York teams, and that's okay. I think that keeping that part of your fan heart alive, I don't think there's anything unhealthy about it. And I don't take offense to it. I really don't. Well, I would hope not.

You threw like a three-day celebration on the podcast when the Patriots last of the Titans a couple years ago. It was like a funeral except like a celebration. The January game where the Jets would come to Jolette to play the Pats. We wouldn't even buy tickets, but we would go and tailgate in the January weather just to watch the jet fans crying when they left Gillette. It's the best time of the year.

Well, you picked the wrong... Wow, and you wonder why people hate New England sports fans. I was going to say, there weren't any Jets playoff games where they came in and lost, but there was a great one where they came in and took care of the Patriots. So that would have been a bad one.

Well, that was before Erica ever watched a football game. That was 2011. Yeah, that's a lie, too. All right. Listen, Mark's not here, as you've already noticed. Mark dealing with some unfortunate health issues And remember he had the clotting issue Blood clots that popped up again this weekend

He's doing okay But he needed to get it taken care of And the doctors basically said Chill out for a day or two So we hope to have Mark back Later in the week But don't worry Mark's okay But he's not with us for today's show

And by the way Send in good vibes though Send in good vibes Send out It's like the save Ferris Put it on the Water Tower Save Sessler I hope he's back Wednesday because Wednesday is wait for it

the 14th annual around the NFL fantasy extravaganza yes we do it every year end of August because you should not be drafting a team before the end of August I mean and shame on you if you do and we're going to have all sorts I don't know Greg do you want to keep it close to the vest about who our super guests are this year and just roll them out in real time or do we want to tease it right now? That's up to you. You let it rip. Well, we get the

big fish every year. I think that's going to bring in the fans and there's no reason for any big fish fans to know. I mean, to worry that he won't be there. He'll be here. Yeah, but keep the rest of the surprise. We've got some good ones lined up for sure. Good. Yes, the big fish. Of course, Evan Silva

late of Roto World where he watched Greg and Wes build it. Brick by Brick. like an apprentice and then made the building even taller. In fairness, to Silva, he was ahead of Wes on the depth chart. He was sort of, I wouldn't say he was ever Wes's boss, but he was there first, and he helped teach him the ropes, absolutely right. So that setup is perhaps unfair to Evan, but he did, if you look at the brick-by-brick

tower of Roto World, and of course now Evan has moved on with Leviton to establish the run, that great sight. But if Greg, basically, if you really want to break down what Greg just did there, he said, no, Wes wasn't truly brick by brick. I was brick by brick. No, Evan and Chris and I were. I'm just trying not to say that he was, you know, that Silva was some coming, you know, come along lately and had to learn from Wes.

He was there. He was, he built it. You left the brick by brick place for pro football talk and then Silva built it higher, turned it into 1,776 feet of steel. in America. I think that's a good way to look at it. And then they changed the name this year to NBC Sports Edge. Great, great job.

What? I do not recognize that. No, I don't. Even in my Google searches when I'm checking in, I make a point to do a name plus Roto World search. I type in Roto World, just to let them know. It's not too late to change Roto World. We love your product.

All right. Anyway. Okay. So fantasy extravaganza on Wednesday, today's show is a good one. We are going to have a special guest, the great Arif Hassan, who covers the Vikings for the athletic and is plugged in on all things NFL related. He's going to sit in when we discuss our winners and losers of training camp, which ends this week. Is this the official end of training camp for NFL teams? Yeah, I mean, really the preseason week, too.

We'll take a look back on everything that happened. But you're right. The sort of what they call training camp where the practices are open, some of them are already closed, and the rest of them are closing up this week, where the players can go, media can go after this week, every team just like shuts it down and starts getting secretive. Right.

All right. So that's coming up. We're going to do some winners and losers from training camp slash preseason week, too. But before that, some news. Beware of the door. Like in a mad door On sports radio 66

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I'll take it You know, I like tennis A little annoying annoying and loud and opinionated you whatever you say is not going to bother me i'll i'll take i'll take chris rousseau i'll gladly take that all right cool mark might not be happy with that he might want to be mad dog i mean right you guys you guys grew up on it but i i um i had a couple years driving every day up to rhoda world you know to go back to the brick building uh from the city a couple times a week and i mean i'd plan it around mike and the mad dog so i i have my time

and then every super bowl week we have russo on the show mad dog and then And the listeners are like, who is this guy? I don't know who he is. Why do they like him so much? And it's like, it's not for you. It's for us. And it will happen again this January, God willing. All right, let's get into the news, starting with a very positive update on the Carson Wentzfront for the Indianapolis Colts.

The veteran quarterback returned to practice on Monday, three weeks after surgery to remove a broken bone from his left foot. He took all of the first team reps in seven on seven words. said he's optimistic he could return for the Colts ahead of their week one game against the Seahawks. Wentz told reporters after the practice, I'm optimistic, but we'll see how it responds as long as there's nothing I can do to make it worse. I played through a lot worse.

Greg, there was also some clips out there on Twitter. The guy was moving around like he did not have any surgery at all. It feels like now, barring a setback, Carson Wentz will be their starter week one, right? What was this five to 12 week prognosis? I guess you don't know. Well, the Colts keep pushing back and saying we have to keep ramping it up and see how we respond. So it's too early to be as optimistic as the...

Which is fine until you watch that clip today. And you see the way he's moving and you see that he took every rep and it's like, it's there. I mean, this is great news if you're an indie fan. And Quentin Nelson, their All Pro Guard was back at practice who had the exact same injury, the exact same surgery. And he's ramping up. It sounds like you were smart Dan. to avoid the whole Jacob Eason Ellinger, Sam Ellinger, Fiasco, because I made a mistake.

I was literally in bed on Saturday night. You know, it's close to bedtime. Emeka's reading and whatnot. And I'm, that's when I put on the old Eason Ellinger comparison. That's what you do on Saturday night. You're in bed with your wife. But at that point, it was, yeah, it's bedtime. Normally we might be reading or whatever, but yeah, it was close to going to

bedtime. It was the Ellinger Easton time, and I'll give you the short version. They both didn't play that well. So that was the short version of both had a chance to leave an impact. And I think when I was pushing back against the idea of getting too invested in that quarterback battle, I don't know if it was you or Mark, but you rightly, you guys rightly push back. Well, Went to struggle historically to stay on the field. So even if he did make it back, it still matters who their backup quarterback is. But then you could push back that and say, Listen, if Carson Wentz ends up getting seriously hurt again, it's over anyway, unless Ellinger turns out to be Aaron Rogers, like the owner said a couple weeks ago.

But the big picture here is Wendz being ahead of schedule. Yeah, the five to 12 week thing was funky from the very beginning. So I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it ended up having a weird turn. But I'm excited because the AFC South needs all the juice it can get. And having Carson Wentz there and Quentin Nelson there is a huge step forward. And when you look at that division and who's the favorite, which I think the Titans are. But if the Colts have these players ready, it changes things for sure. Yeah, that's why it gets tricky, like projecting too far out.

I remember doing, I did a Seattle, like radio station thing, like the day after this first Wentz news came out and they're just like, we're going to roll in week one. You know, they were already looking ahead to week one that the Colts are coming to Seattle. And I would give the CX a good chance in that game no matter what. But it changes a lot. It'll continue to change. still as as close as the season feels this is always the longest month i think of the NFL calendar we're still we're still three weeks away i mean at yesterday would have been

three weeks away from the first sunday of the year that's still a while so you get in your family time do what you can the the one fewer week of preseason games helps uh for me because it always felt just interminable the the four weeks and then the five if you count the hall Fame game. I don't want to get sidetracked here. I do have an overall preseason takeaway. I guess we could save that for the segment, though. In other news, Cam Newton, you get the jab?

The jab. Moratorium on Jab talk, remember? I thought we're out on saying the jab. We don't say the jab. Anyway, Cam Newton has an issue. He won't be allowed in the Pat's facility until Thursday, after what he deemed a COVID-19 test misunderstanding. He left the region of New England for a medical appointment, but because he did not follow the correct protocol for being out of the region, he now has to stay away from

the team for the next several days, which is very bad timing for Cam. I mentioned the jab thing because it tells us that Cam Newton is not vaccinated because he has to follow this different stricter protocol, and that's disappointing for the Patriots because they're trying to figure out who their quarterback is. And if you're Cam Newton and you know you're in a real battle here with Mack Jones and I feel like the preseason and you tell me, Greg, has been pretty neck and neck disappearing for most of a week, inside three weeks of the season, not great. I mean, if Cam Newton loses his starting job because of the COVID protocols, it's just so

stupid so annoying I found it really interesting that it's just opportunity though no no it's I'm not putting any blame on the protocols I'm just saying like are you serious man um the Patriots put out the statement

they seem to take the responsibility for it which I found interesting they really go out of their way to always back cam they essentially they they pointed out that they approved he was allowed to leave that he took tests the whole whole time he was gone and they seemed and it's not like he tested positive or anything they seemed

to take responsibility that somewhere they didn't really understand the protocols or the rules that he was required because they were like we got the test he was taking the test while he was off site but something happened along the way they messed it up he's already served two of those days i guess that he was away and he'll be back uh on thursday but that's huge mac jones was awesome this weekend. Yeah, it's neck and neck and Cam had a great quarter, but Mac Jones has done

everything possible to put as much pressure on Cam Newton. I think they want to start Cam Newton week one. I think they will start Cam Newton week one because he's played well enough to keep the job. They want to see what the running game is like with Cam Newton. That's definitely an asset. I think Mac Jones' knee might be a little bit

of an issue. Look pretty awkward there during part of that game, and that's another reason to sit them. But there are these joint practices this week. And I was wondering, are they going to want to play Mac Jones with the starters? Because I kind of want to see that. They haven't really done that. They haven't done in practice. It's been a little under the Raider. I mean, Gardner Minshue's gotten

way, way more first team reps than Mac Jones has. It's pretty much been Cam with the ones, Mac Jones with the two. So now that changes up in a big week leading up to the dress rehearsal. If you got a warrior on your team, you got to make sure he's getting all those reps. I have a conspiracy theory

that these NFL COVID rules, if you don't have the GAB, Byzantine by design. Make it as hard as possible on these guys and these teams so people have to go get the shot. Just a theory. Back Jones, but for what it's worth, also, you know, was not wanting to talk about the vaccine

as Cam was not weeks ago. So who knows? That might be a risky quarterback. We'll see. Ooh, that's a good call. In other COVID news, by the way, Mike Brayble, the coach of the Tennessee Titans, He is in the COVID protocol.

I believe he tested positive, Rabel? He did, yeah. He's vaccinated, of course, because he's required to as a coach. Right. So he's away from the team, and hopefully we'll be back after a minimum stay on that designated COVID list. So it's just, you know, just get ready for it. It's going to happen throughout this season, and you just hope it doesn't take away superstars off the table. But you hope people don't get seriously ill.

but thankfully, at least for the vaccinated people in this country and around the world, you have a much better chance of avoiding a serious illness if you are vaccinated, which makes you think maybe you should be vaccinated. But let me just move up. Nice fun report. This is more like the type of news item we'd really sink our teeth into about a month ago. But since it's out there, we'll talk about it. Kaleel Mack, one of the biggest blockbuster trades of the last decade.

when the Raiders sent the former first round pick to the Bears for a buttload of draft picks. He's had a nice run with Chicago, but the Raiders defense has never been able to really recover without Mack in the middle of their defense. And the athletics, Vic DeFur. Did we say Tafer? What do we decide on that? Friend of the show. I went to fur. I can't be too close a friend. I don't know. We never found the end.

I mean. I just call him Vic. Vic reports that the Raiders inquired about Khalil Mack's availability. this offseason. Gruden reportedly cried for three days after trading his superstar, wanted him back to fix the Raiders pass rush, but the Bears

were not interested in making music. I just find this story hilarious. Like the little details, you know, Vic has some good Raiders nuggets every once in a while. The athletics coverage in general is great with the Raiders. And the fact that he said Gruden

would keep this award that he won from the Sloan Analytics Conference that they gave to the Raiders for the transaction of the year when they traded Khalil Mack was a great little detail to me but clearly he doesn't view it as the transaction of the year because you look at what they've done since

they haven't had any pass rushers they spent a ton of money all the draft picks that they got and most of the money that they spent were on players that didn't work out ultimately yep that's kind of the whole thing sometimes you wonder if you're a Raiders fan at least like has Groot in lost the plot. Has he never even had a true plot here? And then you see a report like that just

seems like they're spinning their wheels a little bit. This was pre-Mayak. And he really makes it sound like Mac, you know, didn't want to come back and this and that. And like, but it was an emotional move. That was a mistake. They gave Derek Carr and gave Jackson their money before they gave Khalil Mack a contract. They were all in the same draft class. Like the fact that that happened was a huge mistake. Ricky, do you have an update on the Vick situation? I'm trying to find the text, but it was so long ago, but I think, you know, there was some either way you were saying it

was wrong. And then he texted me and was like, oh, FYI, just so you know. But can't but can't confirm which one is right. Get back to us if you could figure it out. In other news, Darius Smith,

the star linebacker for the Packers, could potentially miss week one according to Packers. coach Matt LaFleur. He has been dealing with a back injury, always tricky back injuries, of course, but it seems that the Packers are open to the idea of either protecting Smith and ramping them up more slowly with a long season ahead, including hopefully a deep playoff run, or the

other way to look at, of course, Greg, is there might be something wrong here in a more substantial way, I guess we'll find out. They need him. You know, he came off the non-football injury list, like a a week ago, and the fact that then they're saying this now publicly indicates something has didn't going great. They lost, you know, they haven't had Kyle Fackerel. They're just not that deep, I think, in terms of their ed dresser, Roshan Gary will

be a bigger factor for them this year in general. But that's significant when two of maybe their best five players, Zadaria Smith and David Bakhtiari might miss the start of the season. That is notable. In other injury news, the Jets. Officially, I saw it on ESPN.com. It's just like, come on. Does it have to be this way?

The headline is injury-plaget jets. Lose another starter on defense. This time, it's linebacker Jared Davis, who signed away from the Lions in the offseason, a one-year deal, an important guy in a rebuild linebacking group under Robert Sala. Well, he suffered an ankle injury. Robert Sala said it's not a high ankle sprain,

but it's going to be treated like a high ankle sprain, which is like, I guess, it's kind of a high ankle sprain. They hope to have him back around the bye-week. which is week, which is week six. So that is a very thin group and a very unproven group and a lot's being asked of C.J. Mosley, who's missed two years to play in the middle of that defense. So within 24 hours or 36 hours, the Jets lost.

Of course, Carl Lawson, their star edge rusher, and then Jared Davis, a guy that the team is very high on having a bounce back after a disappointing run with Detroit, tough, and it's just going to be such a challenge for Sala to make this. defense okay because the back end is poor or it looks poor on paper you need that pressure up front you need the linebackers to cover and if you're going to be thin in both those areas it's going to be extremely difficult to stay competitive I thought the Jets made a lot of great offseason moves Jared Davis is one of the most surprising free agent signings he really struggled in

Detroit but you're right Salas I don't know he's got a lot of he's got a lot on his plate to make them good in the front seven because i think they're counting on their defense to be solid i think that was the basis of this team and it's been a very annoying couple of weeks or really last week is this the part where i have the gleam in my eye i mean you're i think because i'm not jrard davis really doesn't get the motor run no but i think um the fact that i kind of called it out at the beginning of the show you're trying to have a nice poker face here but i still see it there's a gleam gentlemen. In other injury news, AJ McCarran, tore his ACL

in the preseason game. A really tough break for McCarran, who's obviously out for the year, and now Atlanta has nobody at all proven behind Matt Ryan, who's been an Iron Man in his career, but he's also entering his or now into his mid-30s. So that's an issue for the Falcons.

And finally, 19 in a row for the Baltimore Ravens. the pre-season streak that won't end. It can end. Can they be beat? No fucking way.

That's right. 20 to 3 over the Panthers who couldn't even compete. They said, yeah, we have a brand new quarterback and Sam Darnold trying to learn an offense. We're just going to play them one series because why do we even want to be around the Ravens right now? This is the biggest sports story no one's talking about. You have really taken it and made it your own. You know, with the trailer, I really enjoyed that last. time and yeah it puts a lot into this week's game you know so much because there's no fourth week

of the preseason and because they've now tied the all-time record with the green bay packers 19 straight preseason wins one of the most storied records in sports you know this is a big deal this is exactly what the NFL was looking for in the preseason a lot of national attention and i'm glad we're we're able to give it Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel?

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Wow. So let's welcome them on the show. First of all, what's up, Reef? Welcome. Hey, what's going on around the NFL podcast? You have to be humming over this Baltimore Ravens streak. Oh, incredible. I mean, you love to see it happen.

It kind of reminds me of Yukon women's basketball, that streak. Just, I honestly, I'm tearing up a little bit, just thinking about the day that the Titan will fall, you know? It's going to be tough. But, you know, in order for the streak to have meaning, it has to end at some point. Otherwise, you know, historically, what, you know, what does it mean, right? True, though. We could get a lot of buzz, though, throughout the whole season, if they can get to 20.

That's a nice round number. Oh, yeah, the whole year build up until next. And they're, I just checked, they're playing their, you know, local rivals, the Washington football team. And some teams, I would say even maybe most teams this preseason, not taking it too seriously. You know, one of the teams that do put out their starters for a. nice chunk of time might have Ryan Fitzpatrick playing that whole first half there is nothing that Ron Rivera would love to do more than to take down his uh oh yeah local rivals the I think what you play in the game that matters yeah I 100% agree well you say that the streak has

to end for it to truly matter and I like that from like a philosophical standpoint but then you think about head coaches in the NFL and the egos on these guys um John Harbaugh it the way you look at this is, oh, it's a reflection on the organization and the coaching and the attention to detail and why everything matters. It's really, the shine is on the coach more than the players. So you think that Harbaugh wants to maybe do this until he retires. I mean, this could go next level and I'm really excited to see what happens next. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I mean, it makes the most sense in the world that the person that holds this streak is also a former special teams coordinator, right? Who best to connect with the depth players that, you know,

populate the preseason? All right. So, Arif, thank you for joining us. And we're nice talking to you. All right. There goes, Arif. No, we want to talk some training camps slash preseason winners and losers. And how about this? You're our guest, Reef. You can go any direction you want. We know you cover the Vikings beautifully for the athletic. If you want to start with them, you can do that if you want to go somewhere else. What is something that's kind of caught your eye as training camp kind of wraps up here? in August. Sure. Well, the stuff that's like kind of interesting to me to the Vikings probably just doesn't like matter league wide. So I'll talk about some of the stuff around the league that is catching my. I think the first round offensive linemen have had a really rough go of it this preseason, right? I mean, there's been a lot of discussion about Pinesu, right? And, you know, there's all the reasons in the world that it wouldn't make sense for him to, you know, come out of the gate with, with, you know, all the cylinders running. But, you know, right tackle. He's having a lot

of trouble there. It's been a year since he's played, you know, football. But, you know, neither Elijah Veritucker or Christian Derisaw have seen the field yet, right? So that's a pretty big concern. I guess maybe the best one so far has been Alex Leatherwood, which is funny, kind of considering the draft conversation for him and the Raiders pick of him. And then Slater, he's got like some back issues or something, but he didn't participate in week two. And so it's just like, maybe we're spoiled, right? Because last year's first ride offensive linemen, were fantastic, even in the preseason, right? I don't think we got a bunch of Mecky Beckton,

if I remember correctly in the preseason, but we saw a bunch of really great Tristan works. Did you call them Mickey? Isn't it Mecky? Mackay, but I like Mickey. Mackay, oh, maybe it is. No, you, we don't know. I feel like I know, but it's all right.

Mackay sounds cooler, though. I got a, yeah, we've got to start doing that until I'm corrected. Ricky, check on that now. But, yeah, I mean, last year, I mean, Jedrick Willes was doing well in the preseason, and took a little bit of time to get going in the regular season, but had a really strong going. There's really only Andrew Thomas, right,

that we were worried about early on. So this just first round offensive linemen haven't indicated that they're worth the investment yet. Maybe all of them will be. Maybe none of them will be. I don't know. But, you know, this is what preseason takes are for, worried about first round offensive linemen. So that stood out.

But those are some of the most important rookies on any teams because they were all drafted with the idea as like, oh, that problem solved. like don't need Charles Leno anymore. You know, you didn't mention Tavern Jenkins. You know, he's out. We talked about him a lot last week. We haven't talked about Penae Sewell on this show. And, you know, our friend of me, Daniel Jeremiah, who I think is going to get into podcasting this year.

So keep a lookout on that. He noticed. Coming for your job. Wow. Sewell just does not look comfortable. And you don't need to be like a former scout like Jeremiah to see that. And it does get you thinking like, you drive. this guy number seven overall he's such an important part and then you just change his positions

like he's never played right tackle oh yeah right tackle because you have um taylor decker at left tackle but that that always worries me i know it kind of worked it worked for jeddrick wills but it's not going to work for everyone and you're right of all those guys i think slater's the one that that the chargers aren't worried about they seem to think he looks great and they're just keeping anyone that possibly matters out of the preseason but for the rest of those teams like that is that is huge all right about you sounds like the bengals could have made the right choice there, right? Because Jamar Chase isn't looking good.

All right, well, let me jump in then because I, you know, I didn't want to dwell on this because we have hit this a couple times on the show. What's going on with Jamar Chase, who is struggling in his first camp with the Cincinnati Bengals. Well, actually, hit pause here because I want to, I want to say something positive about the Bengals first, okay? Because it's been relentlessly negative on this show. There's just been a lot of bad news. This from your colleague, Paul Denner, Jr., at the office. athletic. Has kicker Evan McPherson enjoyed the best camp in preseason by a rookie kicker since

Lou Groza in 1946? I don't know. And I don't know if Groza even kicked a training camp the year after World War II ended. But I can't imagine anybody being better than McPherson over the last month. The only kick he has missed that the media has been able to see was a 60-yarder in the fan fest event. That's it. He's destroying the ball accurately. Little cooker corner. Little kicker corner, Bob, too. He hit a plus 50 in the game. Austin Siebert has been good, too, but not good.

I'm glad to hear about the one miss, because as someone who follows the Vikings, I know how dangerous it is to be perfect for an entire session. Oh, listen, no Gary Anderson references on the show. People aren't prepared for it if you're a Vikings fan. Anyway, so there's the good news. They have a positive kicker competition. and special teams. But the Jamar Chasing, so not only does he struggle

chase throughout the lead up to this weekend, then in the preseason game, he drops three targets in the game against Washington on Friday. Then on Sunday, he's in practice, and Burroughs just putting it on him, and he has a couple more drops, and he's doing the thing where he's got the towel over his head, and there's just a lot of mental stuff going on.

And then there's a report, again, from dinner, that Jamar Chase could lose some regular season snaps, to audit and Tate the in-house receiver they have there. So I'm not ringing the alarm bell because he did miss all of the last season when he opted out, and he could be rusty. But you just, you were hoping at some point he's going to turn the corner here. And now it's becoming more and more of a story. And if we're talking winners and losers, not that Jamar Chays is a loser,

but this is a losing scenario right now for Cincinnati. Yeah, it's tough. I don't want to, I mean, because like, so for his teammate at LSU, Justin Jefferson, right? You know, he outproduced Justin Jefferson at LSU. You think, well, one to one, maybe he'll continue to do well. But also, remember, Jefferson didn't win the starting job coming out of camp as a Viking. He didn't start the first two games.

And I don't think it's like a case of Mike Zimmer being like stubborn. He did not look that spectacular camp. Didn't look as like, I guess, as bad as Chase is currently looking, but did not look like he clearly won the starting job from B.C. Johnson, who right now is like, fifth or sixth on the Vikings receiver death chart. And so coming out of camp, like, it was like kind of a story. Like, are we going to get anything out of him, you know, this year? Or are we going to have to wait? So I keep that in mind, you know, the kind of the preseason stuff, the early stuff,

you know, it matters, but maybe not as much as we like to pretend. Even for me, a preseason enthusiast, you know, I have to remember that when people go to games they pay to go to, that, you know, these things don't always translate. But it sounds like- I mean, they're charging full price for these games. They're charging full price to watch Nathan Peterman versus, who was it, Bryce Hopkins. What is, like, if that drives me crazy, the fans. Well, this is, all right, let me just before we go to you, Greg, for your first winner

to lose. I just want to say the preseason, I don't know, man. I think we're in a dicey time right now. they've cut it from four to three, and more and more teams are resting the starters. And then you have, and I'll use as an example, as I often do, I'll use the Jets. Zach Wilson performed very well this weekend, but he wasn't going against any Packers starters. So it's like, I don't know what to really take out of that. He's getting reps on the field in live action, but is he really getting a true experience

ahead of week one against starters? And then you see what happens to A.J. McCarrant, who blows out his knee. And then you think about Sean McVeigh, who was like, Like, as long as I'm ever a coach here, no one's ever going to be playing in the preseason starters. And if this is going to continue to just devolve into, these are just the backups and there's no structure to it, A, they need to revisit how much fans are getting charged for these games.

And B, you just wonder if it's eventually five years from now, it's just going to be all scrimmages and, you know, inter-squad practices. And if that's what this is going to turn into, because I feel like we're in this, like, Ray area in a way that is even more extreme that it used to be. Well, people, yeah, I think thought, okay, well, we cut it down one. That solves that question.

But no, like, you know, Goodell said for years how it's such a bad product. They had changing it from four to three hasn't changed that. And to your point, you're right, Dan, if you think about who are the coaches that are playing guys, and this is where I don't think there's a right answer. Like, it's Andy Reed and Bill Belichick. It's like the two of the greatest coaches of all time. They think that playing football helps you to play football, you know, that it helps to get better at playing football, that, you know, playing some football helps.

That was really good. Not to say that one side is correct or the other one, but let me use this phrase that makes it very clear what I think. And those are two of the, the oldest coaches in the league as well. I mean, it's the oldest, so it might be a generational thing. There has to be value in it, but there obviously is value in the other side and that you can get the work in the practices. I don't know if eventually the entire league is going to be like that, but you're right.

it's it's a tough go it's a tough go to to draw anything well let's bring up Zach Wilson since if I'll throw out him as a winner though because I don't know especially the way camp started with him you know you you the practice reports were up and down the scrimmage reports were up and down and he just looks comfortable I didn't know what to draw out of his first game not that there was anything bad to it but it was just really basic and it in some defenses stay really basic in the precincts and some are not some are running all sorts of complicated blitzes like the whole time because that's like their base defense and that's just what they want to do and Zach Wilson hasn't played a defense

like that or played starters. But I think the way he moves in the pocket and the way he's going through progressions and the way that he just looks comfortable back there, he certainly passes the eye test. And I think that is what preseason can be good for that it's given him and the coaching staff more confidence in how he is going to enter the season. I am excited to watch the New York Jets. It's been a while, at least just as an entertaining thing, because I'm into quarterbacks. And Zach Wilson, so far, I think, has had a really positive preceding. Good offensive line, good receivers, interesting quarterback, good interior defensive line, honestly. I mean, that's an interesting team to follow.

Wilson, the thing that jumps out to me, and by the way, I'm in now, Greg, or if you should know I'm a Jets fan. I am, I was trying to sit out the Zach Wilson hype period because I was hurt by Sam Darnold and Browning Nagel and everyone in between. But now I'm all in because he just looks so free and easy and confident. And I just like the way he, I don't know, man, I'm starting to feel like maybe they hit on something here. But again, going back to my point, who knows, maybe he's just going against a bunch of future UPS drivers and bouncers.

And this isn't anything to get excited about. But he has looked very good. All right, back to you, Ari. I mean, he kind of took the Zach Wilson one away from me, honestly. Well, do you have an ad on, Zach? I certainly won't stop you. Well, no, I think that point about the defense is good because you can contrast Zach Wilson with, say, Justin Fields or Trey Lance, who have had some really fantastic

moments in the preseason thus far, some really great moments that can get you excited about them with moments where you're like, well, they are playing a more complicated defense, and, man, Fields look blinkered, trying to figure out kind of what that blitz situation was. I saw there was a healthy debate on Twitter about who that was on, but, I mean, at the end of the day, unblocked defender is coming for you. You have to do something about it. You have to see it, right? He got cracked in that game.

Absolutely. In a moment that had to freak out Bears fans. Oh, yeah. I have to imagine, for sure. And he's, like, famously, a fairly tough player coming out of college. So, you know, I imagine that, you know, he'll just kind of use this to learn and move on. But it kind of looks like he's not ready. Trey Lance, you know, his high highs are really great.

They're really fun. Some of his best moments, he's got, like, There's not even a defender within eight yards, much less three yards of him. And he's just firing off a deep one to a wide open, which is what Shanahan's great at, right? A wide open tight end down the field or something. But then there are other moments really like, well, he's kind of slow. He's not kind of getting kind of what he needs to, especially the beginning of this week two game that he had. So you contrasts that with Zach Wilson, who's maybe not facing the same challenges defensively as those other two were.

But you at least get to see kind of what that floor might be for him. That's really exciting to see. Yeah, I mean, that's what I get to add on to. And I also got to throw in that discussion about Fields and Lansom there too. So I guess I guess I got my piece in. Well, let's, I want to say, though, that Jimmy G would be one of my fallers in a strange way, which is that it really feels like Kyle Shanahan wants Trey Lance to win this job in Week 1, which is what I kind of felt coming into camp.

We've talked about it. I agree with you, Areef. I think the second Trey Lance game, but it's. pretty similar to the first, had a lot of things to be a little concerned about, you know, holding the ball, just not being able to read things, seeming a little tight for most of that performance until he gets into the two-minute drill. But then you look at like the drives that he's played, he's played 14 drives in the last two weeks.

And it really feels like Shanahan's trying to set him up to win the job. And then after the game, he refuses to say Jimmy G is the week one starter. So I don't know who's a winner and loser here, like clarity. I guess is the loser here, but it feels like if it costs a lot more to trade for someone who might start than somebody you won't, right? If he wants Tray Lance to win the job, then it's, then Tray Lance is going to win the job. Maybe it won't be week one, but I don't know. Like, I don't think Tray Lance has shown enough that you just give it to him, but it looks like that's what Kyle Sheenan wants to happen.

Let me move to the defending AFC champions. I, you know, I feel I have this feeling and it's not bold or brave on any of, level that Patrick Mahomes is going to drop a major season for the ages this year, just with a better line and still has these superstars around him and just how talented he is, like master of his craft type season coming up, 50 touchdown type season, if he stays healthy. Now, the other side of the ball is the only thing that's going to stop him. And I just think you keep on reading about Chris Jones and how good he looks and the

shape he's in and how he's been completely dominant in practices and preseason. And preseason, I'm just wondering, like, how good can the Chief's defense be? Because it's one of those situations where it just needs to be okay, right? So if you have somebody like Jones delivering a monster season, that can carry you to okay almost single-handedly. He feels like a great defensive player of the year pick for what I don't know what the odds are. But whatever it is, he feels like he would be a nice one because I'm sure he's not one of the few favorites. But yeah, him playing at defensive end and everything you hear, you're absolutely right. Yeah, and I think they've got like some really interesting pieces that.

I mean, like, Lujerius Sneed had a really great rookie year last season. Didn't get to play the full season, but had a really great rookie year last season looked pretty good in the preseason. So they've got some pieces on defense that that'll allow them to kind of, I guess, make it impossible for other offenses to keep pace. I guess it's the goal here for the Chief's defense. So yeah, pretty excited about that. I had the Chiefs written down as one of the winners too,

or something related to the Chiefs, which was the Chief's running game. The Chiefs do give us something. They do give the preseason enthusiasts something. They show a lot in the preseason. And their running game this preseason has been very diverse, like mixing in a lot of extra stuff. I like what I've seen out of Jerich McKinnon. I'm kind of a sucker for him. He did not look ever healthy in San Francisco last year.

But supposedly from everyone who's watched practice every day, he showed up there and has been a difference maker. And he looks good on the field. And so I think the Chief's running game, they keep saying in practice it's all about these long, slow drives because that's what defenses are going to give to Patrick Mahomes. And so I think the running game could be better this year. Give them a winner.

Are you curious at all? The actual odds for defensive player of the year? Sure. Yeah. All right. I don't even know where this is coming from, but it doesn't really matter. I don't even know if a lot to talk about this. But all the usual suspects, Aaron, Donald, Miles, Garrett, T.J. Watt, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, back-to-back. Dad's proud. Chase Young,

Khalil Mack. So that's the top. top eight, and then, man, Derwin James, plus $2,500. Ooh, I like that. That's pie in the sky, but I guess I didn't see it. That's fun. And then rounding out the top ten is Minka Fitzpatrick. I don't even see Chris Jones on this list, so maybe a nice long shot. Yeah, Chris Jones, Daniel Hunter, there's some pretty good values to have on the field.

That's interesting. Do you have another one, Arif? Yeah, sure. I mean, a couple of defensive players I wanted to talk about. Malik McDowell had a really good game. this past week. And, you know, he's been, he's had so much trouble, you know, since the Seahawks acquired him. I mean, he had an ATV accident that put him on the, on the reserve list. Yeah. It's just been such a rough go for him. He was picked in the second round. He was super talented. Probably

could have been picked in the first round, honestly. But injuries from the accident prevented him from ever kind of seeing the field with the Seahawks. Ended up with like, he had a couple of alcohol struggles, too. It's really tough. Ended up getting arrested for buying still and property, just like a brutal, brutal a couple of years for him, had a great preseason with the Browns who really need some sort of past rushing interior help to go along with Miles Garrett. So that game was really good for him. It would be fun for him to make the roster. It's so easy to cheer for stories like that for somebody who's been down on their luck

and to find, you know, hopefully that's going to be a great organization for him to find and support with him because he looked really great. And I kind of hope that that turns round for him. So I'm going to call him a preseason winner. Look at that. Going deep. I'm going to go on the Cowboys linebackers. I do want to get this in that.

I'm going to go fallers. I don't know. Losers feel it feels harsh. But it is wild. You're the one that said we should do the segment. You said when areas of concern. True. Yeah.

That's true. All right. Here's the losers. It's Jalen Smith and Layton Van derrash. I like this has been my corner since the draft, but I can't believe it happened so quickly. They are backups. They are backups.

Jalen Smith is one of the highest paid linebackers in the league. Leighton Van deresh was a first round pick who had one of the better rookie linebacker seasons of the last decade. It has not been the same sense. They are backups to Michael Parsons and Keanu Neal. The switch has already happened. It's apparently happened for two straight weeks. Michael Parsons is starting at middle linebacker over Van derrash.

and Keanu Neal, who came with Dan Quinn from Atlanta, is starting over Jalen Smith. I'm at the point where I kind of expect Jalen Smith to be traded or cut, maybe, because that feels like a problem. He's one of the biggest vocal leaders on that team. I don't think that'll happen with Banderasch, but I'm just kind of amazed and happy that the, like, the Cowboys just made the move.

They're not, they are not messing around. Aren't they winners in a way? Because, I mean, that's depth for you now. You have a bunch of guys that you can win on. The Cowboys could be winners. I mean, they're great at that position. they have other positions they maybe could have used to upgrade but micha parsons looks so good no one is going to is going to say that was a bad pick that's for sure that's a good one i like

that um because mark's not here let me bring up jake funk the rookie seventh round pick of the rams 56 yards yeah on seven carries uh this weekend so he he's making progress xavier jones also in the mix remember it's darrell henderson who's the starter for the rams at running back after the season-ending Achilles' tear for Cam Acres. But maybe Funk is bringing the funk to that running back room. That's for you, Mark Sessler. Ari, if you got one more before we say goodbye. Yeah, how about the Buffalo pass rush?

I think that was an area where they could have used a lot of help last year. I mean, it was a really good team offense and defense. But, you know, they relied on a lot of blitzes from like AJ Klein to, in order to finally get their pressure. And, you know, Jerry Hughes is up there in age. And so, you know, they've got. a couple of pass rushers in the past two drafts, and AJ Epinessa and Gregory Rousseau, both of whom have looked really good rushing off the edge this preseason.

You know, we talked about how rough it was for Penaiseu. One of the players he was up against was Gregory Rousseau, who ended up having a really good game. So if both, and honestly, I didn't really like either of these picks by the Bills. I thought Rousseau was overrated. I thought F. Nessa was overrated. Happy to eat my words because they both, at least so far, look really, really good. Bills are scary.

I had written that down, too. Like, that was the biggest concern, I think, of the entire team coming into training camp. And now they have these two young guys. That's another, like, preseason can't have value. People think it doesn't have any value. Like, I am much higher on their pass rush now because Greg Russo looks like a great pick. And Epinessa, who was not good last year, didn't play much, looks like he's kind of taking a second year leap.

Like the Colts pass rush is similarly a group I'm a little higher on now than I was going into camp. Quitty Pays, supposedly their rookie, supposedly had a really good. camp. Ben Bonagoo, a second round. He's done nothing in his career. Looks like he's flashing a lot. And they needed those guys to step up. They decided to kind of get rid of a bunch of veterans and have the young guys step up and draft pay.

So far it looks like it's working. So it's like you can learn things as a preseason enthusiast. Well, how about this? I mean, preseason matters to Mitch Trebisky. How about Mitch? Who goes against his old team, torches them, four straight touchdown drives to start the game, 20 to 28, 2.20, and a touch in the first half.

I don't know. I still don't know how Brian Daibold didn't get a job. But if he turns Mitch Trubisky into a functional NFL player, at least a really good backup this season. I mean, the bills are just so well set up at every level, especially if they make that jump in their past rush. I think this has a chance to be the best AFCE since I've been on the job at least, like the last decade and a half.

When's the last chance? Maybe we'll be. be wrong, but I really, it's been a bad decision for so, maybe. I'll tell you when's the last time the AFC East was truly competitive across the board, like all the way around, like across the board, like late 90s when you had the bills, the jets with Parcells, the Patriots with Bledsoe and the dolphins at all, at that time, it was kind of like everyone was in the mix at the same time. Nobody was in a down period.

It's pretty, we all know the Patriots dominated for two decades. But there's been some really bad teams in that division during that stretch. Maybe this is the year, Greg. Especially at the Patriots, you would think, like the natural cycle of things, a team loses their franchise legendary quarterback. They go into a down cycle for 10 years. But that doesn't really feel like that's where the Patriots are, while the Dolphins, Jets, rising, and the Bills are awesome.

I feel like the Dolphins and Patriots are above average teams. The bills are a juggernaut, and the Jets are definitely better and going to be watchable. Like, that's a little bit of year away. Maybe the Jets are there. Speaking of risers and followers, I mean, Tua Tekevaila looked fantastic. Yeah, it looked good. This has been a very positive month for Tua. All right, Reif, you, listen, we have a dossier that we keep for guests.

I don't know why we don't keep this information in-house. I just share it freely. Some people we have back, some people we call hit it and quit it. They don't come back. We'd love to have you back. You are a perfect fit. I don't even care if you're lying. That sounds great.

I'd love to be back. You don't know what it's like when we tell someone that they've made the hit it and quit it list at the end of their first appearance and that they'll never be back. Just the looks on their face. They're like, you know, you didn't pay me for this. I am not, I should not be subjected to this additional.

It's a very bad podcast. But thank you for making it better, Arif, and follow Areef on Twitter. And if you're a Vikings fan, that is the place to go, the athletic. Thank you, buddy. Yeah, thanks for us. I'm having me on.

Yeah, peace. There he goes. Good one. Good guess right there, Ricky. How's the dossier come? Because you would think after it kind of put you on the spot a little bit last week and you gave us the, my dog ate, my homework, that maybe the file would drop into our text or email, like, later that day, but still haven't seen it.

Yeah, she did. No, it did. Oh, did? Yeah. It had like two names on it. Well, I'm the ask. Could not have taken too long to put together, but she did send it. My deepest apologies.

Well, Greg did that too, actually, this morning. He sent me some snobacco. I was like, where's the link that she sent it last night? Greg asked me, he's like, can we get the links way earlier just so I can have it? And I'm like, of course. I'm not, I'm not doing a thousand things. And you're, you produce the show and you often send the link like well after the show. Greg, let her.

Let me speak. So I sent it last night at 747 p.m. Okay. And then Greg says at 10.30, this. morning those early links for pods lasted about three weeks yeah and i said sent it last night and i said scroll up three messages and watch your tone i stand by my statement i love it because last you guys they were coming late last week so you can't be a producer on this show if you if you can't stick up for yourself and erika you certainly do that thanks Greg trying to bully you come on

Greg. Please, please. And it is Mackay Beckton, though. It's Mackay. Yeah. But I like Mickey Beckton. Yeah, I didn't know if that was a nickname. I thought he was like, I don't know.

I didn't know if a reef somehow had some sort of insider, like, knowledge, but probably not. All right. Did you have anything in your notebook there, Greg? Did you have one more you wanted to throw out there? No, we didn't mention, we didn't mention, I think we hit all the big ones. But Teddy played perfect this week. I really got the sense if you read between the lines,

they were gearing up to name your Lock the Starter. I think they wanted to going into the game. If you kind of read between the line of some of the reporting of people we trust, like a James Palmer, just felt like they were gearing up to do to name Lock the Starter. But they had said, well, Teddy's going to start the second game. And then, oh, what happens? Teddy has like two perfect drives where he makes some great play. after the game, Fongio, they compared him to Tom Brady and said he was doing some, like, elite next-level stuff.

And I was like, I've never heard Fongio talk that positively about any offensive player. If you look at, like, the PFF grades, like Teddy has, like, an 83, and Locke has a 64. Locke kind of struggled in the relief appearance. And now it feels like they don't know what to do. So I don't know, I don't know if that's a winner or a loser, but I think they wanted to go lock. and now they shouldn't allow a couple drives in the preseason to change their mind. How can they not know? But that's what you're saying.

That doesn't mean they are. I think you should base it on the body of work. And they know these players and that Teddy's the better choice personally. But they shouldn't base it on a drive or two. But it felt like he made a significant dent into that race. I don't know what they're going to do that. Bridgewater led, as Greg noted, calling it perfect. There's always that little extra flare with Greg and Bridgett.

Water talk. It's not that it was a really good performance. It was perfect. Two touchdown drives and two possessions, which I guess is perfect, if that's what the barometer is for being a quarterback. Nine of 11 passing for 105 yards and a touchdown. And Fangio, when asked about that QB decision. I mean, you could be listening to this now and he might have already announced it

because he said it won't be Sunday, and it wasn't. The earliest it could be would be early next week. We'll see. We'll see. I bet they start lock and they bench him like. week three. That's my prediction. Yeah. I hope I'm wrong because I want to just ride this Teddy Broncos train to the playoffs.

There usually is a team every year on this podcast. I guess it's kind of team of Beatty L.E. That it was Wes, but you and Mark will get aligned on a team and get super on fire about them. And I feel like the Broncos, but I kind of feel like that's what it was last August, too. Yeah. Well, Wes, Wes has kind of been on the Fongio Broncos. He was on him early.

I think they're, I think they've been setting up and building a lot of talent. They had a lot of bad luck last year with injuries and, and their quarterbacks. But now they have Teddy to save. Right. Well, the quarterback wasn't a bad luck. It was just, bad quarterback. All right. We'll be back Wednesday again.

Yes, the 17th annual fantasy extravaganza. Shockful of guests, including that big old fish, the large fish, the large tuna, Evan Silva. So make sure you're there for that. And I guess we're keeping a little open-ended this week because we're going to keep it fantasy-focused on Wednesday. And maybe if we need another podcast later in the week, maybe it drops, you'll see. But either way, we'll have the NFL network program as well. returning. I believe that's on Thursday this week, right, Ricky? Correct.

Okay. So fantasy extravaganza Wednesday, NFL network around the NFL broadcast on Thursday, and we'll be on call otherwise for any other huge news that may develop in our league. Anything else, Greg? No, we might finish this one in double digits. I do. I feel bad for Mark. He's had a tough weekend, and then the one show he's missing is the one that's sub one hour, which is always ever wanted. It's not even that tight. We're at 56.

Remember back in the day we used to really debate, you know, go back and forth. I would try to keep it under 50. That was like my magical. I was like, ooh, if we could get a 40. Can you play that clip, Ricky? A lot of people, you get a lot of buzz on Twitter. A lot of people are excited that our show is generally about a half hour, not those 90-minute, you know, journeys of the ear that some of these other football podcasts are. You just cut out 30 seconds there.

That was from 2013 that clip. when we were doing some digging on the West Acierge story, Erica came across that, just deboviating and bragging about how our show is 30 minutes and all these other jabronies are 60 to 90 minutes. It's just like a bunch of guys just full of themselves, can't, you know, don't get sick of hearing their own voice. No, now what have we become?

It's important to defeat the monster that you do not become the monster. that is the fans you know you were always you were always on the corner of the fans fans never complained when it's longer you know never never the only person that's ever complained or some management figures um have complained about the length of this show but the listeners look at dan trying to stretch it over an hour now yeah he's got to love those listeners now let's name all the countries that listen to this show Algeria I'm just going down that scroll when you have when you're filling in some document online and

and you're looking for the United States and always starts in Algeria. It was like the embassy in Jamaica. United Arab Emirates. Yeah, Arab Emirates. All right, that's it. No, this is a sub-hour. We did it.

Yep, we did. Signing, I'm really disappointed. Stan Hansen signing off for the old boss and Ricky Hollywood. Thank you to our reef. Until Wednesday, the extravaganza. He's the call. Hey,

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