NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - QB Draft with Daniel Jeremiah and Hard Knocks Lessons

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to get you caught up on news from around the NFL, including the latest development in Davante Adams' future with the Raiders (02:00), Patrick Mahomes speaking about last season's let downs (05:45), what we've learned about the Giants from Hard Knocks (12:50) and more! After the break, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to draft all 32 QBs (20:12). Who will have the better group?  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to NFL Daily, where the Giants would never prioritize us in free agency. I'm Greg Rosenthal and beyond lucky today to be joined in the studio for the top of the show by Patrick Claibon and Jordan Rodriguez of the Athletic. Do not forget the of the athletic part. Nailed it. It's important. He's got to be at training camp next week. Covering the Rams for now.

We got you here. It's a little bit different of a show. You guys are joining me for the news portion. And then I'm going to throw it to your mortal enemy, Daniel Jeremiah, Patrick Claybott. And we're going to draft some quarterback. I'm trying to develop this DJ and Patrick Ravowing. But the dude is carried.

He's carried before a long time. His best. How are you doing, Jordan? well I'm doing good I'm ready for the slow burn and frenzy of training camp into the season stoked about it

you showed up today to the office Jordan got there hours early like game face on game face on saying kind of your off season is over built for this you're ready to go I'm locked in I'm built for this one other cliche I got a chip best shape in my life

there it is what it's with the chip tracker Patrick Patrick is the internet's foremost chip on the shoulder tracker The chip tracker normally this next week is when I need help because some people will notify me like when there's a shoulder chip. The most important part is the chip has to be self-applied. We can talk about when a teammate says, oh yeah, Baker's got a chip on the shoulder.

That doesn't count. It's most important when the player themselves says that they have a chip and that's how we can add it to the tracker. Jalen Brown this week self-applied a rare off-season chip on the shoulder for not being put on the Olympics team. I'm tracking that situation. In the meantime, look, Texans are officially practicing.

They're in camp. Patrick Mahomes is throwing footballs. We're going to talk about him. The Ravens and the Chiefs are under 50 days away. Like, things are happening. And let's get to the news to start it all off. News. It still scared me.

I knew it was coming. Sorry to whoever caught that bolt. It still scared me. That news drop in a folder titled Randy's Big Dumb Idea. love you, Randy. We love your big, dumb ideas. That's an awesome drum. I think that's going to stick. But y'all who are listening can let us know what you think. You know who else is stick at Devante Adams? We talked about him a couple days ago and just the summer of Devante and all the speculation. And I really think this is just because there's been no news

going on. And he's been a fun topic for the morning shows. But his agent released a statement is agents, Kenny Chapman and Frank Bauer. And they were quoted saying, this is baseless. an unfounded speculation, and Devante is expected to be with the Raiders, as there have been absolutely no trade talks, period. So they just tried to shut this story off for a little bit. I wish they would give us a link in the statement as to what particular assertation was speculation, like the idea, right? Like where it came from?

Yeah, cite it. Orlovsky. I think it's ESPN. Like, what's the specific one? Because I feel like there's just like conversation about like hypotheticals. But for it to necessitate a statement, it feels like that's at somebody, right? You could go like full galaxy brain and say maybe it came from nowhere, but it's just continuing the conversation. You're just putting it out there.

Well, it's partly from Devante Adams and Aaron Rogers talking about it and him getting asked about it. But ESPN is needed to drive some morning programming this week. And I think there was one. And it was just an opinion that he thinks this is going to happen. If you were going to trade Devante Adams, you would never do it before the season. could you do it in the season if the Raiders are really struggling I don't think it really makes sense

doesn't make sense for their cap doesn't make sense to try to win games I think it's important for everyone to remember that the peak of these emotions that he expressed happened a long time ago in football timeline context like the show receiver just came out

and obviously they're on the publicity tours and the press tours for it and all that stuff getting asked lots of questions about it but like the peak of the emotion of this situation has already passed a long time ago So coaching staff overhauled, quarterback in question, is gone. Like, this all happened a while ago. So Antonio Pierce, it sounds like, has really made some inroads with players and all of that.

So, I mean, I think that's important context to remember, too. There could be two trade situations that don't make sense, but could make sense, as Twitter user pretty Ricky 213 suggested this week, that maybe it's Devante Adams for Brandon Ayuk and the 49ers, right? They get some of that this year juice, and the Raiders could solve a problem. That's what pretty Ricky 213 is suggesting. I don't know. And Antonio Pierce knows. It's not crazy.

Brandon, I, you pretty well, if I recall, from Arizona State. Free transfer, go devils. Wow. Let's throw that out into Ether. Release a statement on that. Cite us. Adams. And you know what?

The money isn't nearly as bad when I looked at a trade. would only cause $7.8 million in dead money if it happened during the season. It would be the same if it was in the off season and they'd save a lot of cap rooms. It's actually one of those things that you hear and you're like,

oh, that'll never happen, but that could happen. That actually makes sense to me. I don't think it would happen until the season, but that would be fun. You know who is throwing footballs right now? Not at this exact moment, but earlier today, on a football field, the Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes.

How about that? Could you do your throwing motion again? Because I really think the people watching on YouTube need to see. Did I do one? I mean, no, actually I wouldn't actually qualify. I wouldn't actually categorize it in that category necessarily. But, you know, the people, it's for the people. I mean, I throw the ball around at the beach a decent amount, you know, me and my son.

But that's about it. It's not a regulation ball. You know, my hand's not big enough. Let's listen to Patrick Mahomes who talked at Kansas City Chiefs. training camp. It is happening. It's their quarterbacks and their rookies for now, but that means Mahomes and the rest of the veterans will be there in a

couple of days. He talked about how last year wasn't always the best time. I mean, obviously the end result was awesome, but I mean, I think a lot of us still have a weird feeling in our mouth because, I mean, we really didn't play the football the way we wanted to play all year long, and it wasn't fun. I mean, all the, every

single week having to try to just continue to get better and better, and results not paying off the way you wanted to. It wasn't a lot of fun. We have a lot of those same guys back. I thought that was noteworthy. First of all, this came up in Connie's courtroom. Great. By the way. You enjoyed that?

First of all, she knows this. She is an icon. Second of all, that was so funny. Patrick's rant was really, I disagreed with, you know, certain things, you know, we'll get to it. Certain rulings. But I, that was really fun. It was kind of what I was getting. I'm not doing this to point, you know, pat myself. on the back that last year wasn't always the most fun for them but I thought that was

noteworthy because I think they want to add a little more fun back into the offense and you read talked a lot about going deep Patrick Mahomes had um you know a year where he did not throw the ball very deep whatsoever Xavier worthy was on the field one of those rookies practicing that's noteworthy because he missed most of the offseason with a hamstring injury and he was ready to go and Mahomes said in that press conference like we don't have time for him to get used to things and get up to speed like he's going to be a big part of the offense right away and when i like because ultimately you could hear the reaction for people you could feel how people are going to react it's like oh you win the super bowl that's not that's not fun but it

is a way in a guy who has done nothing but get buckets his entire career going back to high school right in college scoring a billion points a game the defense kind of carried them to a champion even in the super bowl literally in the game i didn't i didn't re i didn't rewatch that game until recently until about three weeks ago. And yeah, you forget just like, oh yeah, Steve Spagnolo and the Chiefs won the Super Bowl, which is kind of nice symbiotic balance because

the Chief's defense was pretty trash in the Super Bowl before, and Patrick Mahomes saved them. So that's how you win Super Bowls, helping each other out. You know what's fun? You know what's fun? Speed is fun. Catching the ball is fun. Speed and catching the ball are both fun. I think that when a lot of times these young people come out

for the draft and they're training the entire off-season for specifically one thing, and that is the combine in their pro-day, and all of this major conglomerate now exists to basically train all of these athletes for these specific moments, which do eventually, and you hope, you know, add zeros to their paychecks

and things like that, but it's really easy to tweak a hammy. It's really easy to, once you get back into football movement, your body hasn't been doing actual, like, football movement. You've been training for testing and those types of things. So you hear this a lot when rookies have their first, like, onboarding or uploading period in OTAs, that teams are just extra careful with them, soft tissue, especially being something that can come up as a big problem when you have really fast-twitch athletes.

So I do think that it's going to be really fun to watch him get immersed into this offense. And like I said, speed is fun. Speed is really fun. I want to see a little, I want to see a little Andy Reid meets Mike McDaniel, happening in this offense a little bit. It's going to be fun. So Mark East Brown, also part of this team, not always as consistent catching the ball,

but gets open. And to me, if you put him on last year's Chief's team, I would have taken him over rookie Rishi Rice for most of the year. Like, I think he would have been the Chief's best receiver. I think Xavier Worthy is a much better route runner. Now I just got bucket getter in my head. Like, then people give him credit for, like, he was absolutely the one on the same team.

with A.D. Mitchell because he was just open all the time. The defenses were going towards him and he got open and he is not just a speed threat. So I'm excited, but they need those two guys to stay healthy because Rice might not be there for the beginning of the season. Andy Reid did say he has not heard anything. No surprise there in terms of what the timing is going to be with a potential Rishi Rice suspension. So we will see on that. The Broncos did some news on Wednesday, no Tuesday they rather, signing Quinn Miners, four-year, $80 million. I thought you were going to chicken out and you did it. I love it.

Five-year, really a five-year, $83 million because it's attacking on. And if you're watching on YouTube, yeah, please like and subscribe. And just marvel at the belly of Quinn Miners. It's funny because Jordan is making me think of, you know, the exhaust training and all the stuff for wide receivers and run in a fast time. And then you have the Quinn Miner's aspect. where it's more about... This is peak athlete right here. It's more about facilitating a vibe,

and he's still doing it. Like, he's still doing it. Right. Like, Serena got a lot of credit for winning the Australian Open pregnant, but Quinn Miner's played a whole NFL season. I mean, that's impressive. That's so mean.

I mean, he's got his belly. He's like rubbing it. He's a loud, he's branded it. I will say, I do, I am a bit, I'm a little bitter. You know, millennial fashion is we get roasted a lot by Gen Z. Crop tops are back.

I'm not a crop top girly myself. Can't pull it off. Never could. I kind of blame Quinn Miners for the inspiration on some of this some of this crop top stuff. You walk into Target now and everything is a crop top at this point. This is going to be my millennial rant. I love that.

Yeah, it's a hearing from our producer, Jason. It's popular with the six-year-olds even, too. So it's out there. And yeah, that's the most. We'll probably talk about Quinn Miners this season. but a nice career. He showed up with a senior bowl. I'm serious.

He showed up with a senior ball as a D3 athlete who had a season canceled to COVID. Hadn't played football in over a year at that point. He won practice player of the week. Like the senior ball can really change lives. He got drafted in the third round. And now he's getting recognized as a top shelf guard. We've had a couple little, you know, PUP things that caught my eye as rookies show up.

Ricky Piersall is not healthy. Theo Johnson, an interesting tight-end rookie for the Giants, healthy so they're on the P. P list early. Sticking on Giants, let's wrap this news with some takeaways from Hard Knocks. I've really enjoyed this season of Hard Knocks. I'm now into watching it the night it comes out. I think it's the best overall Hard Knocks product in a minute. It's just different and we're learning things and you're part of moments that you normally wouldn't expect, including this moment. This is Joe Shane, the general manager of the Giants, when he is talking to

Sequin Barclay's agent, essentially telling him that they are not going to resign Sequin Barclay. Good day for you. Good day to be Ed, Barry. What's one thing going to get? North of what you said?

12.5.8. P.Y. 25 guaranteed. North of that? Again, we're not going to go there. is it is it in the division I just I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for what's going to happen

I mean that's all just um so Shane preparing himself mentally you can stream all the episodes of hard knocks

on max like I do I learned a bunch of things in this episode so I'm going to go through a few of them one of them you kind of heard there

that I think the Giants misread the running back market. I think based on what we saw on the show, they never really wanted to pay Sequin his money. That seemed obvious enough even from the outside. But I think he thought that they were going to save at the position because they presented how many running back free agents were available. And look, oh, Devin Singletary, who they loved. He only got a one year, 2.5 a year ago. There's so many out there. We're going to get someone. They ended up paying Devin Singletary at $9 million, not that much below where their initial offer for Saquan was. That total, that, that

that he heard from the Eagles and the Eagles topped it even by another million was not a surprise to him. They knew that money earlier in the day. At no point did they really sound that interested in him. It just sounded like Shane was trying to be respectful and balanced dealing with his boss because it was pretty clear that John Mara, the owner, would have loved to have take one back. And I think Shane was trying to be respectful to his owner, but also make a tough decision and move out. What I really liked about this and a couple of other moments in the season of Hard Knock so far is you are seeing that, like I don't want to say tension, but you are seeing that emotion come through from the guy who owns the team. And then how the other people in management do

have to navigate that. I mean, that's his boss. So how you navigate making a decision that your pro scouting department and your front office has already like rationalized to itself and and going through all of the logic of that and it could end up to backfire we don't know yet but going through all of the points that they created within that pro scouting department but then also navigating the the owner walks in with a cup of coffee and he's nervous about it you know and that's that's a dynamic that we don't often see so that's what i appreciate about this season is is seeing some of that like push pull um some of that like just that's very that's very real in buildings that that happened the eagles part of it was real. I don't think that they were happy about that, John Mara, especially. I think

Shane might have gotten in his feelings a little bit, and it is edited heavily, but there were a couple little moments that you could tell the holdout last year. He said, like, that put 10 years on his life. And that's not the reason why we don't want to go through it again, but you could tell, like, he thought he made such a good effort to Saquan a year ago, and Saquan didn't sign that, and maybe the Giants were painted as the bad guys that to me I thought he might have been in his feelings a little bit because it was not unanimous

you could tell even in his own personnel department they would have like some of them would have liked to have Barkley back well yeah and I think people who have interacted with Sequan could see why you would want him to be on your football team but I think the the silver lining I guess for fans that might be frustrated by it is

the only way that this can work is if ownership isn't making all of these decisions ultimately people need to be empowered to make the decision that they want to make, they can be wrong, right? And people will probably feel that if Sequin goes for 2-17 against the Giants in MetLife, of course, everybody's going to instantly react and feel like it was wrong.

But if it's, you're not building this whole team around one person, regardless. Whether it's a quarterback or not, you still have to have a system and a structure and a plan to go in place. And, yeah, like, to me, from the outside looking in, the plan was never to have Sego on. It was just never had Segoan this year.

They just didn't. They wanted to spend on the offensive line. They wanted to sign three offensive line starters. They wound up with two, John Runyon, who they extended more money than they really expected, Germain Illuminaur, and they were hoping to get Robert Hunt. And once the Brian Burns contract came in, it just was too much, and the Panthers came over the top so they couldn't get Robert Hunt. So I'm going to just fire through a couple other things.

Number one, that were my takeaways. Number one, the Panthers could have gotten more from the Burns deal. Because the internal conversations, when it started in the Giants building, was they thought it was going to be a one plus and it wasn't a one plus and I give Shane credit and of course they show the parts that make them look good. I don't hate them for it but like even when the Panthers

tried to come back with a seventh at the very end. That's an ego seventh. No offense to anyone obviously I think Dan Morgan's going to do a good job over there but like that's a okay just like make this look a little different than what it is. Right and Shane was not having it and he was just like come on like you're my guy

and that's that's another thing we know we hear like oh it's all about relationships, you know, in the NFL, player movement, different things. Like, I can promise you if Dan Morgan was not in Joe Shane's wedding or vice versa, whatever, like, they're really close. Like, Brian Burns would not be on the Giants. Not that they didn't have mutual needs and it made sense. I think it did make sense, especially for the Giants. But it just wouldn't have happened. It would happen because they're like such good friends. And that, to me, that's kind of crazy that that's how it works. But it makes sense. That's how life works. They all

watch NFL network a ton, like it's on all day. Like Judy Batista, uh, all over this episode. Love that. When Mike Garifolo announced that, I want to get this clip for a future show, uh, the joy of Joe Shane's face when they talked about Joe Shane and he like looks at Mike Garifolo like, like, I just, it was like heartwarming. I just, they have it all, all over. And, uh, that's it for my main takeaways. I think it's been fascinating. Again, yeah, check out the new season of Hard Knocks. I've been enjoying it. also check out Jordan at the athletic and Patrick Claibon, who's just been all over this week.

Appreciate you, buddy. And you guys are going to say goodbye for now. And we're going to say hello to move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah on the other side of the break. We're going to draft quarterbacks for 2024 only. This is compelling. Glad to have a front row seat. I finally proved I know more about quarterbacks than Daniel Jeremiah.

Was the segment exactly 37 minutes long? something back after the break back after the break welcome back to when I asked my next guest Daniel Jeremiah to come on this week I thought like let's get DJ while he's not busy before it gets really crazy

little did I know this is like the last thing he is doing before going on vacation to Alaska. So Daniel, Jeremiah, thank you for squeezing in a little time while you can before the season gets going. I appreciate you having me, Greg, and appreciate sending me the memo on us dressing, you know, on all black today. Let's keep this thing locked in. Check us out on YouTube, DJ representing App State. Very popular team on the new EA sports college football game. Supposedly, he influenced that happening just a little bit.

So I listen to move the sticks regularly. I know we've had a, we've had fun over the years, kind of joking about like, oh, is that a podcast? Is that not a podcast? But Daniel Jeremiah does a great job hosting with Bucky Brooks. And I think it's a great idea because it's a podcast that just exists during NFL draft season and then goes away for the rest of the year when Daniel gets too busy. So I know you're hankering for more drafts, Daniel. And I'm always impressed. You and Bucky do these mock drafts and it'll be complicated.

It'll be like all offense or all defense. And you bang them out in like 25 minutes, and I'm, I'm jealous of how efficient and how you aren't long-winded. So we're going to try to do the same thing, but we're going to draft quarterbacks, NFL quarterbacks. You were the person who I wanted to hear the opinion on more than anyone on this, your former quarterback, of course, and I don't get to hear you draft NFL quarterback. So here are their parameters, DJ.

We're going to go quick. We already said that. We're each taking one quarterback from each team, so only 32 picks, no matter what. You can't take a backup on a team. You can only take one guy. And it's just for this year. Yes. You know, it's just 20.

No lifetime achievement. No lifetime achievement. No next three years either, which would obviously help out the young guys. And yeah, I want you to start. I'll give you the first pick overall. Let's do this. Okay, great. Any guess on how many soap slash mayonnaise reads that I give you in the midst of this ranking?

Don't answer that question. Okay. Yeah. When we launched this show, I just said, can the first show, can we just, not have an ad before the first show. I don't want the first thing people hear about NFL Daily. Daniel Jeremiah talking about Irish Spring. Second show, that's great or even middle of the show. That's great. But I don't want to open the show with that. Okay. Before I make my first book, I will say that through this whole time, and it's great to see you back and excited for the guys

and what they have coming up. But I did discover the Reddit thing. For me, selfishly, the best thing that's happened over the summer was me discovering this Reddit page and discovering how much disdain there is for my ad reads. You have no idea the joy that brought me. I tried to keep my head down, but people should respect it. It was fantastic. I'm going to take my homes. Yeah.

That's simple. I was doing something for last week. I saw he was the first player in seven years to hold the ball as long as he held it and throw it as short as he threw it, which is like, okay, they're going to throw it deeper this year, but I want a little more exciting Mahomes. I'm going exciting at number two. I'm going to Josh Allen. I know there's a lot going on around him this year, and he's a little streakier than you would want. I still think he has an MVP season in him. You kind of forget he's 28 a season where he puts all the mental side together and the physical side, so I feel good about

Josh Allen at too. Yeah, he would have been my number two pick as well. So I'm, and I'll tell you what, as somebody who pushed all his chips in on Kincaid going into that draft, it's only the second year, but I feel like we're getting ready to reap the rewards of that. Like, I thought that was, I loved him individually as a player, and I couldn't have loved the fit more with him and Josh, and I think with Dig's gone now, you're going to see him. That's another podcast for another day, but I'm very bullish. I think he was top 10. Solid.

Yeah, if Leporta doesn't have the year he has, I think there's even more buzz on him. But, all right, so now I get to the third pick. And again, it's, I want, I just want him to stay healthy. If he stays healthy, I think Burroughs, I'm going to. to feel really, really good about this. I know he didn't get off to a good start even when he was healthy last year, but I'm going to choose to believe in the best of Joe Burrow and getting the ball out on time. And I think having a, you know, I don't always buy into people going to their contract years and now they're hungry and now they care. I don't know if I buy into all

that, but I do believe in the talent of T. Higgins, and there is obviously extra motivation there to go along with Chase. So I'm going to take Joe Burrow with my next one. I didn't even write down notes for Burrow because I just knew, I thought you would take him ahead of me because I got a few people at Headburn. I like traits. I'm not a scout, but as great as he is, he's had a couple injuries, and the traits just aren't quite as exciting as the other options, including Lamar, who's my pick at

fourth overall. Everyone wanted a season where, okay, let's see your volume go up. Like, okay, he'd have about 680 dropbacks last year. His efficiency went up. They asked him to do more. He came through. He's not the extraordinary best-of-all-time

runner that he used to be, but he's still one of the top five runners in the NFL and I just think he's processing better. It's a nice offense for him, but he showed to me that you can ask him to do everything, have the ball like that, you know, dropping back on every play. And I think he's going to be better in year two of this offense. So I like Lamar. Yeah. By the way, will there be a team, this is a good topic. We can do another day or you can go ahead and do it on your own, Greg. But I would love to eventually have kind of that long conversation about the best, who are going to be the best 12 personnel teams, who are going to be the best

two tight-in personnel teams. And I think with them, with the Ravens, with likely seeing what he could do last year, get Andrews healthy for a full season, I could make the case. That's the best 12 personnel team in the NFL. We did talk about that a little bit, not who's the best, but just talked about the teams,

like the Packers, the Ravens, that are really, the bills will be there in uptick and just have two great tight ends, the Raiders, Ravens rather, as well. A team that might surprise you that's going to be a big 12 personnel team is going to be the team that I'm going to take their quarterback with the next pick,

and that's Justin Herbert at the fifth. And you talk about traits, there's none better just in terms of the traits. And the one of the things, calling all of his games, it's still funny to me, like when you go down to the field before the game, and I have friends on all these different teams,

and if it's somebody from the personnel department, a GM, a scouting director that hasn't, you know, maybe they've seen him in college, but they haven't seen him in the NFL. I haven't stood next to him. I love getting the reaction when you go down there on the field and they kind of run out, and they all just kind of lose their focus in the conversation.

That dude is huge. I'm all, yeah, no, you don't appreciate just how big this guy is. But I think you're going to see Disley and Hurst and kind of an underrated, a different style of 12 personnel team

with how they're going to try and run the ball with those guys. And then I think they'll get some matchups that they like, even though the receiving core is going to be all brand new. But Justin Herbert would be my pick there. I don't know that statistically it's going to be some crazy year. Like if we're doing this as a purely fantasy football, football draft. I don't know that I would take him there, but if you're saying who's going to help me win the most games and doing what's asked of him, I'll take Herbert.

Yeah, I love that. And that's, see, that's why we have DJ on. I haven't heard anyone talking about that too tight and set. And those were quiet signings, but they were priority signings for the charges. Also makes you wonder, you know, here and there, it is Jim Harbaugh as a coach. Wouldn't mind seeing Justin Herbert just use his athleticism and in the run game, just a little bit more. Famously, Jeremiah rang Terbert like a little low. Say the name. Say the name. Coming into the draft. Yeah, he was 20th. He was one spot below, I believe, Ross Blacklock. Ross Blacklock. And after a while, I felt like I would, even though Jeremiah is far more successful and athletic and tall and handsome than me, I felt like I was actually

punching down on Jeremiah with this, just killing him for this over and over. And I was like, I'm going to stop it. There was a point where I was like, I'm no longer going to bring it up. But then the last time I think you were on the show you brought it up so I was like okay it's open season I'll bring it up again yeah you know what's funny though is uh obviously not the Ross blacklock part of that whole thing uh but uh the other the other part of this is what's so great about the draft is that you can have literally articles written winners and losers right the draft is just completed they've not even had a practice yet and then the verdict is in and then um in that draft do you remember because I initially had Jordan Love ahead of Herbert and then through the process, you know, the senior bowl and everything and I ended up putting Herbert over Jordan Love. But then, you know, for two, three years, it was like, how could that even be a conversation? Like Jordan Love doesn't play. Justin Herbert is this elite, you know, going to be the best quarterback in the NFL. And then all of a sudden, just like that, now it's like you'll see legitimate conversations between those those two guys or about those two guys as we kind of head on to the

future. So that's kind of like a little snippet of the life of a of a scout, I guess, when you're going to the process. It's a good example too, because yeah, I'm sure love is coming up, but I agree with you on Herbert. I struggled to rank just doing this, Herbert or my next pick, C.J. Stroud ahead. And that's where like, yeah, we'll see in three years. Maybe I'm getting ahead over my skis, but where I was going. First to second year leap is usually really impressive for for quarterbacks, the processing. He led the NFL in QB rating versus zone coverage, which I just think shows his mental ability.

He's obviously got all the intangibles, the leadership. I feel like I could talk about C.J. Stroud every show, but just such a pretty ball. And if you told me, like, he could be the second best quarterback in the league. I don't know. I think pound for pound, probably the best rookie season that I've covered. It's close. Herbert's there.

luck is there. RG3 was certainly great. Newton, but I think pound for pound Stroud was like the highest of just like top level traits as a rookie. So I have a hard time

putting him any lower. He was an interesting study. I went back after, probably after the draft was over, I had a little bit of time and I wanted to go through his tape and just see like this was incredible. You know, just seeing what he accomplished

and wanted to see more so than just how he played but what the progression was of how they used him. And if you go back and look at it, It was like the first two games that dropbacks like 55, 59 times. And then they took like three to four weeks, maybe even five weeks, or he didn't drop back to throw up more than 35 times. It was almost like they let the waters kind of calm down. They let him just get comfortable and then let him see everything.

And then it was like, I think the Tampa game where he has an unbelievable game, they come back and win. But then like the rest of the season, he just took off. And literally it was like the training wheels were removing those from the bike. You can do everything. And just the game's not supposed to be that slow for a rookie. He made it look really, really slow. So, no, he would have been my pick there.

So I'm with you on C.J. Stroud. This is where it starts to get kind of interesting, I think, because now we go from, but I don't know where you were, but like the previous picks, Mahomes was his own guy. But after that, it was kind of, if you're slotting him, it was this guy or that guy. There's two names that you're trying to. Top six was easy for me. I agree. I pretty much had a clear top six.

Yes. But, I mean, like, even in the top six, you're like, okay, it's, to me, like, Herbert Stroud, Lamar, Burrow, like, there's kind of a little, now it's like, you're in the ocean, and there's like, you know, there's a million different options you can go with, and you can go with different theories and different styles. So, I'll tell you what, this is, this is going to be the opposite of what you said, because you are, and I should be probably this way as a scout, you are, you are locked in on traits. this guy's not going to wow you with traits but I think he's proven himself to be really, really good at playing the position so I'm going to go with Brock Purdy with my 7th pick

and I know that if we're going to stack him up traits wise he doesn't stack up but at some point in time we have to stop excusing his success and I feel like last year I got to the point where I was like okay the processing the decision making the accuracy if we're going to say those are probably

the three most important parts of playing the quarterback position over pure arm strength and pure athleticism. I talked to Adam Peters, who's the GM of the commanders, and we were talking about his process going through, trying to pick between Caleb Williams and doing his homework on Caleb Williams as well as doing his homework

on the quarterback that he ended up getting and Jane Daniels and talking about that and then looking at Drake May, and he said, I said, well, what's the lesson you learn from Purdy? You guys just went through this thing. You guys, Mr. Relevant, what's the lesson? he said the lesson is our job was to get the guy who's the best at quarterbacking and I thought like the way he said that I was kind of like yeah because we can talk about everything else right arm strength you know the ability to improvise the creativity to play he's like at the end of the day can you communicate the play call can you execute the play call like that's what he does really really well so I'm going to take party you know he was way lower in my list but he has improved incrementally like he was definitely a much better player by the end of last year I think people have this first image that he has and he's a very young quarterback so he can keep improving but i'm glad you didn't take

him yeah i struggled with where to go here but i'm going traits like i said i'm going matthew stafford for now i just think he he finished last season playing as well as ever i think the way mcvay keeps him engaged with the play like i'm not saying he's gonna have a brady like run he's not and i would just worry about his health and that's the risk here but we've seen with rogers and brady like sometimes quarterbacks can't play some of if not their best ball mid to late 30s. I thought Stafford did last year. I think he can do everything.

So he's my pick. All right. I've got three guys I'm looking at here, but I'm on to, okay, in terms, this is someone who I think, obviously has a ton of talent, has continued to get better.

I love the system that they have around him. I love the continuity, which, you know, one of the things, I won't get way off track because I know we'll run out of time here. But I read this book, you'll love it by Adam Grant.

Do you read Adam Grant stuff? No. Think again is a book that he wrote that did really well. He has a book called Hidden Potential and in it, it's, you know, it's a lot of stuff you can carry over from like a business world into the football world. But he talked about Finland's education system and how one of the things that they do and why they've been so successful is this thing called looping, where you have the same teacher maybe from first grade all the way through sixth grade so that when you start

the next year, you don't start over. They know where each student is and they can pick up where they left off and then that's why you have more growth. And I thought, man, continuity might be the most underrated aspect in the NFL in terms of offensive play caller and quarterback. And I think Ben Johnson staying in Detroit and Jared Goff getting another chance to move on and continue to grow in that system with the talent around him, I think he has a monster year.

I'll take Jared Goff. Okay. I'm happy. I hear you. And yeah, my son had second and third grade. They had the same teacher. It did make a big difference. But look, I want someone that can learn no matter who the teacher is.

This guy, Dak Prescott, you know, Walker, my son looked at this list for me. This was his big take was, Dak is too high on your list. But I think people forget he was so good last year. He's been, he hasn't had that continuity. Some of his numbers are crazy. His numbers last year in terms of, like, he was the best in the league when he was pressure in terms of QBR. He was the best outside the pocket.

Like he doesn't want to play there, but when he has to, like he can, I think some of the situation around him has been tougher than it's made out to. So I'm thinking about the whole season, the postseason is obviously, been a problem for him but I'm taking back okay I'm gonna go Jordan love yeah he was next for me um and that's why to me those three guys I had golf Prescott and Jordan love those guys are all touching each other for me so that's why when you get into this part of it it's not a decision of this guy or that guy it's usually like three four or five different guys you're trying to pick from but I'll go Jordan love and again that whole group is just growing up together so um as good as it was

at the end of last year, everything's just, everything's on the trend, turning up. I had one more guy in that group when it was Jalen Hertz, who's, I think, born months apart from Jordan Love, which you don't think of them together, but basically the same age. Love's interesting because when he would play in the preseason, and PFF ranks big-time throws and turnover where he plays,

and he was always like first in the league and percentage-wise of both of them. But last year, he really didn't put the ball up for grabs. He still had the big-time throws, but he was pretty careful with the ball. So it's just sample size. Ceiling-wise, he could be top five, top six. But he reminds me a little bit of Kaepernick, just not as a player at all, but

Justin, when Kaepernick came out, that first offseason, I was like, this guy could do absolutely everything. And then once there's a little more tape on him, he was still great that next year. But I just want to see a little more of Jordan Love. And that's why I'm giving Hertz a bit of a pass for last year. We've seen what his ceiling is, which is one of the greatest Super Bowl performances ever. we know the floor he has in terms of his running ability, what that provides in short yardage.

Great deep ball thrower. He's had some ups and downs in terms of how he handles the blitz. He wasn't healthy last year, but I like that he's played a lot, you know, whereas Jordan Love necessarily hasn't. And I think people are a little too quick to just throw him out of the top 10 because he wasn't expected to be this great quarterback when he came into the league. But I always appreciate it.

You went out of your way to put him higher than most going into that draft because you just said, talked to too many people that said there's something about this kid, even if you don't always see it with your eyes, that he's going to have a better career than he expected, and you were right about that. Yeah, his makeup was off the charts, and at some point in time, you're like, this guy's too competitive, he's too tough,

and all that stuff is going to kind of just pull his talent level up to catch up with where he needed to be. So, yeah, no, I think I'm with you on that one. All right, this next one, I'm between two guys, and we'll see if you take the one I was going to take, but I'm actually going to go, I'm going to go maybe against the grain a little bit here. I'm going to take Kirk Cousins with my next pick.

That would not have been my next pick just because of the injury. I think Kurt Cousins, yeah, coming off the injury. But again, I don't think that is an injury for him that's going to be as impactful as it would be for others. He's going to sit back in the pocket. By the way, my TV just came on. The NFL network just turned the lights on and this other TV, which they control.

Looks good. We got a fly Bucky style through the rest of this. Yeah, which I don't know why they did that because, A, I'm not on the network. today and b we don't use those lights but um anyways if i start sweating that's why i'm i feel like a chicken mcnegut in here um the yeah no kirk cousins to me and i talked to kevin o'connell about it last year and uh you know they wanted to bring him back it didn't work out in minnesota and kevin's like did he was on his way to be in the MVP of the league last year so i

still think he's uh he's he's gonna have a big year with all the stuff they have there in place in Atlanta i'm surprised for the first time i'm going off my board picking someone that's a one spot lower, because now that he's just sitting there at this late, it's too good of a value. I'm going to take Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Maybe not as down to down as consistent in the progress that you want. And I've probably always been lower on consensus,

just off what he's done in the NFL than Trevor Lawrence, but what he has been is absolutely an above average quarterback that can make every throw. And maybe the ceiling isn't quite as high as we expected, but he's been a top 10 to 12 quarterback. He should still be getting better, so I feel good about getting him this late. Yeah, I was going to take him there.

That was my choice with Kirk and him. And Trevor not being healthy last year, and I think not being able to practice it all during the week, I think that had a big impact. He's got to get better, though, just like the situational stuff, and that was maybe the tiebreaker. You can't be down inside the 10-yard line,

turn the ball over. You've got to just be a little bit better at some of the quote-unquote quarterbacking stuff. So, all right, at this point, I feel like it's, I mean, don't we have to account for Tua's production at this point in time? I know that the skills, you know, he's not going to wow you with that. But I think in terms of drafting for this year and a system that's been tailor made for him, and it's skinny to him now.

Like he's all like in great shape and everything. So we'll see what that looks like. Hopefully he stays healthy. But at this point in time, I think it's just disrespectful if I don't take him based off his production. Wow. Yeah, I'm not worried about respect. I'm just worried about building a championship. I don't know what that means, but maybe we'll put up...

By the way, their comparison that I've used on them is that they are... You remember how the Colts, we would just always say during those years the Peyton Run, like there's nobody more dependent on being at home in the playoffs than the Indianapolis Colts. I think the Miami Dolphins are the modern-day Colts where if they can get home field

and get healthy going into the tournament, I think they could be a Super Bowl team. I really do. but they are dependent on playing in their own environment. Well, then they need to jump out like the Colts would do it seemingly every season at like nine and two. You know, they always just got so far ahead in the race. I'm excited. Kyler is here.

I thought he showed some really exciting things over the last half of last season because you could tell he wasn't 100% there physically, but I thought he threw more over the middle of the field. I think he was a nice fit for that offense. I still think he's the ceiling. We've seen the ceiling. I mean, he can have like a stretch of five to eight games, like a Kirk Cousins, who to me is streakier than people realize

where he looks like an MVP candidate. It's flattening out the bad weeks, but man, I still think the best is yet to come for Kyler Murray. Yep. I'm excited to see that group. I think it's kind of like a sneaky decent support cast when you look at what they have there. Okay, about halfway through this draft,

we are going to take a quick break. Hopefully we hear DJ talking soap. Welcome back to NFL Daily. Daniel Jeremiah has got to catch a bird here. So we will continue the second half of the draft DJ. You are up. Okay. All right.

Where do I want to go here with this next one? Start to get a little tricky. I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go with Gino Smith here. Oh my God, that hurts me. What did I? I just should have moved him up. The fact they don't have Gino Smith in this draft is killing me.

Wow. So, by the way, how, how, uh, how much did you enjoy your, how much did you enjoy your, how much did you enjoy your friendship with Mina now that's over, by the way? Do you want to talk about that or no? Why, why would that be? You just left, you just gave me Gino Smith with the 17th pick and a quarterback draft. I've been pumping up Gino Smith so hard for so many years. It's almost like a parent that watches, you know, that he's, he's,

at college he's getting all the love he's winning the highsman i did my job people are giving them it's been the offseason to gimo i think you give him time everyone knows so dice you now it's just common conventional wisdom how good he is look you're even taking him this high but i do feel like gino just chose to live with dad that's what i that's what i just think what happened right there uh Aaron rogers uh we both have doubts clearly that he lasted this long i thought i had him so low that there was no chance i would get him he was below gino for me but he is next on my list. And yeah, it's crazy how deep quarterback is that we're putting him below average right now, like below, we're past 16. So that's pretty great. I don't know. He wasn't that good

the last time you played and he's coming off in a kill these. Again, I'm not going to overreact to what you saw in four plays, but him holding the ball on quick game, you know, for the four snaps. It didn't get me super inspired about what that's going to look like. Anyway, we'll see what happens there. All right. Next one for me, I'm going to go with Baker. okay i think baker getting comfortable and settling in there um i think he takes another step i think he's the best of those guys that are just kind of stopgap quarterbacks but i did have him lower than some of the exciting uh young players including caleb williams i know he's a rookie i mean we've seen enough trying to hold my water on that i was hoping i'd just push it off just

another pick and i mean you want me to take freaking baker mayfield over caleb williams no way i mean we've seen rookies come in and you know when i watched him in may i'm not i'm not like you watching all these guys so much every year but just for a prospect he was the most exciting i could remember since luck and i may was in that conversation too to me maybe like a little below that but just in terms of excitement and i don't see why if justin herbert and stroud can play that well as rookie why why can't Caleb Williams let's go yeah I'm I just spent so many months talking about Caleb that I was just I was hoping that maybe you want you hadn't done your homework hey no you got to get Baker running around there getting caught

trying to make the play on the end no I just think I think the launching point is not going to be as immediate as Stroud like Stroud by as we talked about kind of you get to like week eight week nine I think you could see Caleb struggle a little bit more than Stroud did. And I think you'll see Caleb in like the last quarter of the season, I think when you'll see his ability kind of jump out.

All right, I'll mind's well just, if we're going to do the Ricky thing, then I'll just turn around and take Jaydon's. And I think Jaden, the supporting support cast is not nearly as good as Chicago, but I think just in his development, and I said this throughout the draft process, I'm playing the long game with Caleb.

I think Jaden's going to be a little bit ahead to begin with. Okay. And yeah, like a lot of these guys, but especially Jaden, you know, the running provides a floor of going to be able to get first downs and just when plays don't go right. And it might not with that offensive line.

I'm going with Anthony Richardson next. I was impressed how he got to his second read pretty quick. He took too many sacks, but you saw some good things in those games that he played in anticipation, like not incredibly accurate, but we know what he adds as a runner. Like why can't he be a, at least for now, like a poor man's Jalen Hertz or get even closer. And then who knows, maybe by the middle of the season, he's even better than that. All right. I mean, at some point in time, though I just, I think I have to just kind of have to hope that you're going to see something from Deshaun Watson that we saw when he was young.

I mean, it's just to me, it's at this point in time where I'm like, I'll just take the, I'll take the risk here that somehow that player who I do not feel like is a great fit in that offense in that system, that somehow we're all. proven wrong there, but I have to bet on the talent at some point in time. So 23rd pick for crying out loud. He just, he doesn't play with confidence. He doesn't have any, he doesn't play with any urgency either. Right. Even without getting into, you know, why he was suspended. He doesn't speak or play with a guy with a lot of freedom or confidence like he's enjoying. He doesn't fit that system. But yeah, maybe that's why. I'm going to go Drake made next. I know he's not the week one starter necessarily. This may be too low. Van Deney Richardson could be a reflective right away. I'm not buying that it's going to take forever for this dude's traits to just come out.

Maybe it's not all perfect, but I liked what he did doing quarterbacky things, especially his junior year at UNC. It's not like he didn't show that, so I'm excited to have Drake May. Let's go. Okay. All right, not the sexiest pick, but I think of where we are going to be efficient at this point in time. It's the Derek Carr portion of the draft, so I'll take Carr. Yeah.

It's funny because when you said not. the sexiest pick. I just knew who I'm taking. I knew it was Derek Carr, which is ironic because his brother, you know, very sexy. Will Levis. Intriguing, type of guy I fall for who, man, his good games are really good, great traits. It has a chance here. I think has a little bit better of a chance. I think maybe it was you that compared him to Jay Culller. I've heard other people. I kind of like that. And man, Jay Coutler made a lot of money and had a really good career. And if Will Lovis had that career, I think the Titans would be happy. all right we're speed round i'm going to go with russell wilson yeah that's next on my list

yeah um they like they're they like what they've seen thus far so everybody's optimistic this time a year but everything i've heard is up two teams have given up on them the broncos you know have to eat so much money to dumb him but he would have been my pick too i'm going daniel jones um it's just hard to evaluate because he's never protected but he does he does throw a nice ball he can run uh if he ever was protected he'll provide a baseline that's that's fine all right I'm going to go with Bryce Young and hope that we see improvement. That's all. I don't need greatness.

I need improvement. So we'll go there. I think he showed enough to get just a little, a little bit of optimism. I'll go Darnold because I just think, I can't believe I ended up with Darnold and you ended up with Gino Smith in this draft. Something's wrong,

because I've always been a skeptic. Yeah. Please. Yes. Please. I think it'll wind up playing more. I think it's a great situation. This is his chance.

You guys have thought that this is his chance. like four different times to finally be proven right but I really think this is his chance because I think it's a good situation I think he'll be he'll play well in it yeah I would actually make that trade because when I was going through I totally I was going okay let's do it I get Gino trade and I might need two for one so give me so I have two teams Arnold okay let me just get through let's just get these last two guys pick because I'm already four minutes late from move to six great let's go I'll go you already went Levis So he's gone.

Oh, my gosh, dude. You have the Broncos and the Raiders next. So we said 32 teams have to be covered. Okay. So those are the only ones. Those are the only two teams left yet. Okay. I'll go Boenix, then.

Give me Boen X. Yeah. And why not? You got Aiden O'Connell? A little prettier. I'm going to Aiden O'Connell. DeVante Adams' favorite quarterback, apparently. Seems to really like Aiden O'Connell.

A, yes, fourth round rookies go. He out played the number one overall pick. Give him credit for that. Yeah. No, he diced up the charters. I was there for that one. Sorry for making you late. Yeah, finally, yeah, I will offer you a two for one.

I will give you Darnold and who are some, and Daniel Jones for, uh, I'll take, I'll take Donald and Levis for Gino. All right, you're, that's done. That's why you're a future GM. This guy is so good. He's stiff-arming. I'm just trying to pitch soaping and freaking mayonnaise, man.

That's all I'm here for. He's stiff-arming job offers left and right just to read, read ads with us. Appreciate you. Have fun in Alaska. And, yeah, I hope to get you back on NFL Daily on the other side when you're nice and rested. See you, DJ. See, buddy. All right.

Thank you again to Daniel Jeremiah. It's off to tape another podcast. And he's off to Alaska. I hope to get him on during the rest of the season. Stay tuned for our last show of the week. Really excited about this one. with Nick Shook on Friday. Till then.

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