NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Quarterback Island

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Steve Wyche and Jourdan Rodrigue of the Athletic for the debut episode of Quarterback Island. There are only 12 spots on the island and only the best of the best get to make the trip. Which quarterbacks gets a spot on the island and which quarterbacks gets left in the water? Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I ain't right back though. That's the problem. I ain't right back. Let's go. This is Quarterback Island. That's right. Welcome to Quarterback Island. A magical place where only your imagination and your imagination

and your ability to read a cover to defense while being a killer on the field and a politician in front of the microphone can stop you. Yes, this is it. Your vision, Jordan Rodriguez. Steve We're wearing tropical shirts and we're going to decide

what quarterbacks in 2024 deserve to start the season on the island. This is a big moment for you, specifically, Jordan. I'm so happy right now. Like when I first heard that, like, Randy, let's shout out. That was some excellent work on the intro there. All on his own.

No direction. He just did it. Love it. You guys are on theme. We have props, by the way. These are going to be really important. If you're watching on YouTube, we are, we each have a yes sign and a no sign very beautifully done by ETP behind the glass.

This is quarterback island, shall I explain? Yes. And welcome, Steve, from your travels all around training camps. Steve's like, what the hell is getting to know all the Hall of Famers? That's great. This is the real stuff. But I will say this.

I am disappointed in that some of the sound we didn't use and not include James Winston. Because his hype speech, the week one, preseason was almost as good as eating the W. Okay. He's the chair of the redemption house for those who watch reality. Hey, as we explain with quarterback island, there's no rules that James Winston can't emerge.

and find a spot on quarterback island by the end of the season. He's not eligible right now. He's not a starting quarterback, and that's the first thing. But do you want to explain, Jordan, how a guy gets on quarterback island? Yeah, so quarterback island, magical place, by the way. Hi, Honor. We're calibrating quarterback island right now. We're going to cut it at 12.

So 12 quarterbacks will be voted onto the island. We will do the voting majority vote. There's three of us. For those who are watching on YouTube, you can see this. But if you're not, if you're listening, there are three of us here in the studio, two very lovely Hawaiian shirts, nice pattern. Billing the Aloha. Yeah. Yeah.

And so we're going to go around the divisions and we're going to talk through different quarterbacks and we're going to vote about whether or not they are allowed on quarterback island. We're going to do this throughout the season. We also can vote people off the island. There's going to be some politicking involved. There's going to be some high stakes backstabbing down the line. And I'm already trying to buy Steve's votes. So great, you better watch your back, man. I mean...

So we're like on the island. I mean, you're just a survivor tactic. Yeah, we are there. And I look at it, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, like, what 12 quarterbacks as we enter the season? It's not just who's the best. There's a little, it's a little bit, you know, I don't know if vague is the right word. It's a little nebulos. Like, what quarterbacks define the position right now?

What quarterbacks do you want on that? Island. Who are the best, but also who are the best long term? Who are the short term? And we can and that's going to be the fun part. It's debating over the things. But there are two rules that we are starting out with. Greg. I'm looking directly at you, Greg.

Okay. Right now. I'm not worried about Steve. I'm looking directly. Okay. Currently injured quarterbacks do not qualify. So Justin Herbert, who would be on quarterback island, currently dealing with planter fasciitis, kind of situation is they hope to have a resolution of this.

But situation currently has less of a conclusion than we'd like this time of year. We don't want to start quarterback island with a guy who might not suit up to meet one. We're going to reconvene. It might be as early as week one, week two once we see some data. And then Justin Herbert could get out. Yes. And he could, he could, Justin Herbert could end up kicking someone else off the island, which is, this is where the stakes come in. But also, no rookies.

Okay. Well, we'll revisit that. We will revisit that. We will not revisit. Let's. No, no rookies until the season starts. Caleb Williams could come in and kick someone off. Jaden Daniels.

J.J. McCarthy, your guy. I saw you tweeting about him. I was very impressed. Oh, fanboy. I like it. They could come in. But Steve and I are going to gang up on you here because they got to play some real football first, Greg. We'll get to it when we get to the NFC North.

But let's start. He's ready to find. NFC East. Because, look, maybe we all have different visions of what quarterback island should be. But to me, I think we start with the NFC East and the Dallas Cowboys. and Dak Prescott, and it's kind of easy to forget Lamar Jackson

last year, unanimous MVP, but there was a second place in terms of MVP votes and he was the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. So to me, this is one I don't think there needs to be a ton of discussion about. I think Dak Prescott's a pretty logical this choice. So I vote yes. Yes is around.

My question is this, what if we like don't even get like halfway through this? Are we voting people off? Yes. Okay. So if we, if we, if we, if we. Also, yes. If we get 12 people on, and Eric, keep us honest, because I think that's the best way to do it, if we happen to get 12 people on and we get to the last division, yeah, then we'll have to kick some people off. But DAC is definitely on.

I think we can say Daniel Jones of the New York Giants is not a tough one here. He is definitely a no across the board. I hope he has his floaties. Even at his peak two years ago, I don't think he ever would have gotten onto quarterback Island. Would it have been a top 12 quarterback at some point in the 22 season? maybe, but I did. Yeah, he might have been on the quarterback raft. Okay. He was one of the eight

remaining quarterbacks of the 20-22 players, but we don't need to spend too much time on the guys who are obvious. Jaden Daniels, you mentioned, is just eliminated. We don't even have to vote. He's not applicable. He's not a guy. Jalen Hertz, I'm curious if we need to vote at all or talk

about, or if we're in unison here, that we all have him on the island. Yes is all around. Across the board. But let's talk about it for a minute, because I welcome jalen welcome jalen the second person he would be good vibes by the way i think quarterback island you want it's a handsome it's a handsome man it's pretty privileged island you know like that's that was a great mina kimes reference there on that show so i think with jalen hurts i i really cannot wait to see what this offense looks like i can't wait what it will look like with more motion that actually

means something not just motion for the sake of motion of eye candy that actually changed changes gaps that actually realignes formations in space. And I can't ever discount what Jalen Hertz can do, you know, with that dual-threatability, especially when he's going to have a really good running back with him in Saquan. Yes. But at the same time, the dude can throw the hell out of the ball as well. And he has played at a very high level. Quarterback some deep, deep, deep playoff team, Super Bowl loss, obviously.

But teams that even when the defense was doing nothing to help him, Jalen Hertz belongs on quarterback Island. Now, if this offense comes out and, you know, just craps the bed, then we'll revisit the conversation. But he is an outstanding quarterback. He's on quarterback aisle. He's got like three awesome targets, too. I mean, Dallas Goddard, and A.J. Brown and Tvante Smith.

But do we take that into account, Jordan, with quarterback island? You almost have to. I'm going to take that into account with some of the arguments I'm going to make. Well, here's the thing with Hertz. I saw that ESPN, Jeremy Fowler, executive poll. They had him 13th. You know, they also thought. that Josh Allen was overrated.

Well, no, but that was one guy thought that. You know, people like to pull, you know, but he was like second on that list. They had him 13th. I saw our guy, Stephen Ruiz, my guy. I'm not going to give him to you guys. I don't even know if you know Stephen Ruiz. I love Stephen.

He had him like 13th in his quarterback rankings too. So I do think there's an underappreciation of how much Jalen Hertz can do just as a physical threat. And I was really excited that when he got to camp, everyone said after it was a little rocky picking up the Kellyn Moore offense in the off season, night and day, and the ball hasn't been on the ground that much at camp. And to me, he's a no-brainer.

People are too quick to put some of these other guys will get to above Jalen Hurd. So I'm glad, I'm glad he's on. That's the NFC East. We have two on from the NFC East. Ten spots to go. The stakes are rising. Here on quarterback island. Let's go to NFC North.

Jared Goff is an interesting way. Let's talk about him before we do any voting, because I'm, I feel like he could be right there at the border. At least he's in that area for me. Let's be real. When we made our list, you guys tell me if you're different. There was about seven, six or seven are like, okay, that seems pretty, he's on for sure. There's about 10 that are definitely not on.

And then there's about 10 to 12 that I think we've got to talk about. I think Goff is one of those guys. Does anyone want to make a case four or against Dara Goss? I'll make the case for Jared. Okay. I mean, one, he's a damn good player. Two, he's got arguably, I'm going to put one of the top three play designers. And Ben Johnson's scheme of stuff up for him.

You know, great offensive line. They paid four of their starting five offensive linemen this year. They've invested heavily in the O line. And he's got like just studs everywhere you look to throw it to. I mean, so besides being a good player, having a great play designer, great offensive line. He's, I mean, we're going to get into some debate. And I'm not saying he's being carried here because I think he's the proper. Well, it is the first thing you brought up, though.

And to me, I said he was a great player. We all disagree maybe on what it takes to be on quarterback. And to me, the teammates don't matter because that much. Because I'm thinking he's on an island. We want the, I want the 12 guys who define the position right now. Who are playing the best right now. And yes, you're right. If they have great people around them, then we'll look smarter because he's going to have a good season.

reason. But I'm more thinking about the guy I want a little bit in a vacuum. And so I think Goff maybe struggles in that front. You know what, though? I'm okay with Jared Goff in a vacuum. I'm less okay with Jared Goff against some of these crazy pressure defenses. But in a vacuum, to your point, Greg, just in a vacuum, I don't think Jared Goff is out here lowering any floors for teammates. And he is being, he is doing what he's asked to do. But he is also at this point in his career, far less so than perhaps in previous years, elevating along with a group that is peaking at the right time. I think, I talk about this all the time. I think pace is one of the sneaky most important things for a quarterback to have along with his organization, not to outgrow

the pace of the organization, not to undergrow the pace of the organization, but to match it along with those playmakers, along with the collaborators that are helping this thing go. I'm not saying that, you know, Jared Goff can lift the, you know, chiefs receivers that we've seen over the past couple. I'm not saying that at all. That's a whole other conversation. I'm just saying he has the right pace. I do think he belongs on quarterback island.

I will also say, though, that I flip-flopped a lot of times with a lot of guys sort of in that middle tier to the point where it was like a dunk tank situation. He's like, you're in the water. You're in the water. I'll try to convince you out of it because I'm voting no. I'm voting no for Jared Goff. I want to see what you guys are voting. He's on, but he might be the first guy to get pulled off the plane.

I agree with Steve. I'm voting yes, but he might be, he might just keep one pinky toe dipped in the locker. Well, I'm trying to avoid an embarrassing situation. If you guys say you like Jared Goff as much as you do, like maybe save him the embarrassment of him being on the island and thinking he's all good. This is like when he was on Rams Island and they booted him off because they wanted a shinier model later. What if he gets kicked off for Matthew Stafford in a little bit? Jared Goff. tied for sixth in EPA per play, 0.11, EPA per pass play with C.J. Stroud and Matthew Stafford.

And yes, a lot of factors go into that. It's not going to be the sexy brand of throwing the ball that we see from other quarterbacks, but it's getting the job done. I'm just saying on this island, things can get bumpy. You can have hurricanes. You need like, you need food. You were worried about him handling a pressure defense. How about a pressure front coming in? Guys, you might not be able to handle it. Listen, when you're on an island, you just need one person who you can outrun. when the bear's coming. All right? Okay. Wow, we're talking squalls.

We're getting Lord of the Flies is coming. I don't know if Jared Goff might be the slowest guy on this island when we get to the end of it. So he might be the guy people are outrunning. All right, let's stay in the division. Let's go to the Packers, Jordan Love. Do we want to talk about it or do we want to vote right off the bat? He's an interesting case because people that thought he got paid too early, I disagree with that. Because they saw enough, I think, to know, they've seen enough in their building to know what they want for the next four to five years.

It's not just about those nine games. Now, putting him on the quarterback island of like 12 defining quarterbacks in the league, he's going up against some other players eventually that have shown it over a longer period of time. But to me, I'm going to vote yes right off the bat because of the talent is just outrageous. Jordan, what do you vote? I'm voting yes for all the, like a lot of the reasons you said, but also because we're going to talk about some guy. Oh, Steve's going to have a chance to rebut here. We're talking about a lot of guys who are either peaking or potentially on the brink of descending a little bit.

There's a lot of guys that we're going to get to that are kind of in that category. I think he is ascending along with a really exciting core group of skill players, of talent, a coordinator that gets him and vice versa in the head coach. And I think he's ascending at the right time. That's why I vote, yes. I agree with all that.

I'm just looking at the other list. And it's a tiny island. You've already got your fall guy. I mean, it's a tiny island. Yeah. Tiny island. You're going to be Sean McVay. You've got your fall guy.

I'm thinking about this island, not just of like who's the best. Like who, who explains the quarterback position? Who defines it in the year 2024? And to me, when I'm looking at who's playing on Sunday or it's Friday night to start the season, Jordan Love is right near the very top of the list of like guys. I want to see. And in that offense, which, you know, just a great young, I just feel like that's more sizzle.

That's more QB Island to me than Jared Goff. So I'm voting, yes. I will rebut you in one small point, and you can still vote no if, you know, if you are so unmoved by this passionate speech here. But I think that Jordan Love, if we're talking about embodies quarterbacking, I think he embodies it in so many ways in terms of,

specifically the conversation about development, about pace, like I mentioned, about what it really takes to eventually put all the pieces together as a player and to keep growing and to continue to push and ascend even when all of the millions and millions of things that come upon these players in the course of a career could break them and adversity and all those things, problem-solving, developing, and getting better. And that is one of the key elements that every great quarterback, eventual great

quarterback has, and he's already showing very small signs of being able to do that. I would agree with all that. I'm just playing Island GM here. Okay. We only have 503 spots on the island, right? I know that. I'm just playing Island GM. Yes.

I mean, I can't keep everybody. That's smart. I hear you. Okay, so we're early in this. If we're taking two by division. Well, that would be 16. Correct. So far, we're taking two by division.

I just say that that Jordan Love Man can throw the ball really far. And it's really exciting. All right, let's go to the Vikings, J.J. McCarthy and or Sam Darnold. that's obviously a no if we're counting Darnold. And then the Bears, I guess the rules are saying that Caleb Williams is ineligible. I just got to say, like, why not get ahead of things? Again, if you're talking about defining the position, I've seen enough. It's not just the preseason.

It's Caleb Williams as a prospect like Caleb Williams, again, bringing the juice, bringing the talent. He is going to be such a big part, I believe, of all of our lives for the next 10 or 15 years. he is going to be building a high-rise on quarterback island. Like, he's going to be there. We might as well just put him there now because who's more important to the quarterback position

in the coming year? Jared Goff or Caleb Williams? I would just put Caleb Island. He can't get a degree without going to school first, bro. So what? He plays one or two games when we put him on? Yes, we have that power. Yeah.

We so have that power and authority as the lords of quarterback island. No hate for Caleb here. He's going to be fantastic. Because I agree with you. I do think in terms of the zeitgeist of what football is and what quarterbacking is, like, yes, of course, Caleb Williams. But I think he's going to be that good right off the bat.

If C.J. Stroud can be that good right off the bat, then why can't Caleb Williams? You build a foundation on concrete, not sand. Don't make that man build a foundation for a skyscraper on a sandy island. Greg, give him the tools to build a foundation on concrete. Then we'll put it over on the island. You got to hit it with a sun on the end. Look at that metaphor, girl. That hurt.

Damn. I got to give it to you. All right. You're looking a little. I will vote. Some pink things. Get some sunscreen on there. I feel.

I feel chastened is what I feel. Let's go to the NFC. South. I don't think we're going to fight in two quarterbacks. No. Derrick are of the Saints. I have my no sign. No.

No. I mean, you need a guy who can withstand pressure. Not just literal pass rush heat. I think he's struck. Was that? Yeah, we don't even have much of the conversation here. No.

But also, like, you got to withstand it from the media, too, a little bit. I feel like sometimes he gets a little sensitive. So that's, I want a guy who's strong who can stay. I love Derek, but no. Now we're talking top 12. Bryce Young is a, is a no all around. We all hope the best for Bryce. Baker Mayfield, nice turnaround.

Did you, did anyone think about Baker Mayfield? I did not think about Baker. No. He's a no. Respectfully, no. Limitations, and yet the closer I've gotten to the season, I've convinced myself that this Bucks team, who I'm going to pick to win this division,

are a little more frisky and deeper in terms of their talent than people realize. So I think he might be set up for more success than people realize. That's all. I agree. We're talking top 12 here. He may have to fight his way on. Okay.

And the final quarterback in the division is Kirk Cousins. Probably the most interesting one to talk about. Do you want to make a case for or against to start? off Jordan. I am not putting Kirk Cousin on quarterback Island. I had some, I had some thought about this. I had a real good think on, on this particular argument, because I am willing, we'll get to, I know we'll get to him in a minute, I am willing to put Aaron Rogers on quarterback island, and both coming off of, well, we'll see, because we're getting tight on the numbers here, as Steve, as Steve pointing out, but. We got three on. I just, the streakiness, you and Ali Connolly had a

great show episode just talking about Kirk's streakiness. He's going to do, you know, I believe in Zach Robinson, but Zach Robinson is going to have to learn. He's got a really steep learning curve, almost similar to that of what a young quarterback would have. And Kirk will help him with that. But I just think, year one of this, I know everyone looked at the Falcons as like, okay, they're ready to win now. They're ready to win now. But I kind of tend to think that they might stall a little because there is relative inexperience on certain things. And I think they're going to get scored on a lot. Prove it to me, Kirk Cousins.

Look, if you had said yes, I would have gotten no just because of your reasoning. You got, you know, and I'm spiteful of like, he's almost a little like the game is bringing the best out of gray. It's like he's a little like kale Williams to me. It's like a new team. You're coming off an Achilles injury. You're 36 years old. And let's be real, for the majority of your career, you've been about QB 13, QB12 anyway.

So why am I, even though you're always in the news, giving you the benefit of it out. You're not getting on the island, Kirk. Kirk-O-Chains is not. He can wear the chains. Wow. We all say no. We can wear the chains on the plane, but I'm with you. He's not.

That's the first surprise to me. I thought for some reason I would be on an island. I consider it, but there's a couple of guys. Gregie Island. A couple guys. Greg Island would be sneaky fun. It'd be lawful, but it'd be sneaky fun. God, it would just be constant noise.

It would be annoying. Definition of lawful. I don't know. I just wanted to make sure islands have been getting a bad rap lately, So I'm just one of, you know, it's all kosher there on Gregie Allen. Great food, by the way. Let's take a quick break. And then we will come back and go through the rest of the divisions and determine who is making it to QB Island to start this.

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Lords of quarterback island. I feel power. There's so much power. I am having so much fun, but I'm having even more fun seeing how much fun Jordan is having. And I do want to apologize, do any, that knows Derek Carr or in the car family

who heard a sound effect that sounded like a man drowning that was a sound effect we weren't expecting to use we had decided against it was a little too hard let's actually hear it again now that I've brought it up

okay that's it's too far first of all he was never on okay yeah we're not going to do that again but I did make me laugh that you hit it by mistake and you called it back I just wanted to explain it to the listers.

My shoulders have 10 stuff. That was a little much. It was a little much. NFC West. Matthew Stafford. You know, a couple of years ago, I would have thought he would have taken a discussion. You could say yes, Steve? Yes.

Yeah, slam dunk. I mean, Matthew Stafford over the back half of the season was one of the best top two quarterbacks in the NFL last year. We know how good he is. He's got. Top two. Over the back half of the season last year? Yeah.

Yeah, and with Pooka Nakua and Cooper Cup. Now, tight-end situation is going to be interesting. And he looks a little thinner this year. Skinny Stafford. Yeah, it's a little different. Moves so well. I kind of don't get it. When I was at the practice, I was like, I don't remember.

I know he moved well last year, but it looks like even better. How is he getting even better? EB-12. They're saying it's the tennis, actually. They're saying it's all the tennis he's playing in the offseat. I didn't know he was playing. That's really good for an elbow. Yeah.

Maybe he's going. lefty. For a guy who got an elbow injury. Well, that also tells you how good that elbow feels, I think, because you know how hyper-fixated he is on any little thing that might be possibly wrong, you know, with the arm. You know, I don't know

he's old enough yet for pickleball. No, we're not into pickleball on Kubey Island or in the Chris Wesleyan podcast. Real sports only on QV. That's right. And I do love that Drew Breeze and Matthew Stafford were both big-time tennis players, but it kind of explains what's

happened to American tennis. We lose a lot of the good athletes, you know, to the bigger sports. Disappointed. Stafford is on. What a career arc. Certainly on. Honestly, for most of his career, he was bouncing around, around that number 12, 13 spot, and yet I'm with you, no-brainer.

Kyler Murray, does anyone want to make a case that he belongs? I am a big Kyler Murray fan. Steve says yes. Wow. Yes. I am going to argue this. to the crows come home. I think he's a dynamic player.

When he's on the field, they win. Like, when you look at the losses, Kyler Murray has been off the field or D.Hop or James Connor. Like, they haven't had anybody else since. I think Kyler Murray is a top 12 quarterback in the NFL. They've got him some weapons. They've tightened up the offensive line a little bit. I'm not saying Arizona is going to be a playoff team,

but I think we're going to see Kyler Murray be able to play his best football he's not going to be escaping the free rusher that came with the old head coaches blocking schemes he's going to be able to do his thing we know he's got the bazook of an arm we know he's a dual threat you guys talked about defining the position in 24 he's the archetype

now Jordan as someone who came up with QB Island to begin with do you see any projection in our ability as voters because he is you know he played at the second half a laugh season. I feel like I'm about as high on Kyler Murray this season as I could be. And I had him as a no. And yet I think for the first time, Steve has convinced me that anyone has convinced me of anything. So good job, Steve. Well, this is a really big day. This also we didn't take any quarterback for NFC South. That's true. We got five guys so far now that we have Stafford.

We have Dak, Jalen Hertz, Gough, Jordan Love, and Stafford. We have five on. But I think you just swung me because I guess I'm viewing it. Maybe we should. to have a little bit of a projection that I think he's going to be there in the end, so why not put him there right now? He gets me juiced up. I'm saying yes, he's on. My problem with this, and I have my no sign up, my only issue with this because I am fully willing and ready

to vote him on to quarterback island by like week three, because I think he's going to have an outstanding year. It is inarguable what he accomplished last year, but I am doing the math, and I've got my names written out here. I'm doing the math. Yeah, you took Caleb away from me. Kirk was on the borderline.

But quarterback island, I'm ready to go. Quarterback Island is not about retaliation, Greg. It's about quarterbacks. It's about getting the boat. We're on the slippery slope here. Yeah, so I got to say, if I will say, and I'm going to put my, you know, I'm not a mom, but I don't get my mom voice here, Greg. Yeah.

If we're not arguing projection with anyone else, we can't just change that for one person. I will tell you, I'm fully ready by week three or four to watch him play his way onto the island. I think he has the gifts, the skills to do it, short king, we love that. But also, if we're not arguing, if we're not allowing arguing of projection as a fundamental principle of the previous, what, six people we've just voted on the island, then we can't just arc the rule a little bit for one. He's like right on that borderline. I'm looking at the numbers. He may be off. He may be coming off the plane as well.

It's tough. Yeah, I think just for the show entertainment, it'd be fun to kick some people off too. And so I don't appreciate you saying a guy that's 511 is short. Uh, because I love it. Who's 5-11? Kyler Murray. Since when? Yeah.

Yeah. I'm gonna push. Breaking news here. I need to push back on that one. All right. I love that. I love it. Um, could we go across the board?

How many do we have left? NFC West. We have two more quarterbacks in the NFC West. No, I mean, how many spots do we have left? Because we just voted Kyler on. So that's six, right? That's what I'm saying. He's coming off.

There's no way. So should I change? You kind of did change my mind a little bit with the whole projection idea. So we have to save him the embarrassment. You just to pull him off. Okay. He's now and now. So wait, was I the second person to ever change?

You now have changed my mind back. This is a big day. On the same QB. Who knew? Steve and I are, this is a big day. And that's because I want to make the case for Gino Smith. I think he is right around that 12th quarterback mark over the last two seasons combined. So to me, that's a nice track record.

Steve lifts up a sign that says no. Jordan lifts up a sign that says no. Like Kyler, I am ready to watch him play his way onto the island. But he played it. Watch the 20-23 season. Watch the 2022 season. I did. I did.

And I heard every minute of you honking about Gino Spina. When he threw her 4,400. When he was top 5 EPA in the league on first and second down, and they can't protect him on third down, and it all falls apart. This is all numbers. This is all numbers to me, too, in terms of the math that we're doing here on quarterback island

and the predetermined spots available. on quarterback island. I like Kyler, my no is not like a firm no. It's a bit of a wobbly no in that I am fully ready to watch Gino Smith play his way onto quarterback island and get one of these 12 spots. Is that just what you're going to say to let people down gently when you're arguing? No, because I believe in Gino Smith.

I think he's outstanding. Well, because I'm annoyed by this, I'm now putting Kyler back on as a yes. I don't know if you were finished as a yes or no. He's off. I'm looking at the number. We haven't got to the AFC yet. We haven't got to the AFC yet. The AFC is the better.

Majority rule. If I knew I wasn't, Gino on, I would have put it on here. Well, let's get to the next guy. Okay, Brock Purdy. See, I truly do believe Gino has been a top 12 quarterback over the last two years. Make the case.

Purdy was one where I didn't have a yes or no. I just wanted to listen to what you guys said. I am, first of all, not going to give Brock Purdy negative marks for his own success and for his own development over the last couple of years. I think he takes more risks than people think he takes. Agreed. And I also am not going to, like we've argued from the start here.

I'm not, this has been the parameter I've judged through. Now, it's okay if not everyone judges through that parameter. But through what I've judged through, I am not going to punish a quarterback for accentuating the system around him and vice versa. Like I said, I don't think he's dropping anyone's floor. I think the pace of this offense is that it all raises together. Is he better than Kyler?

I don't, I think that they're both going to be on quarterback island. I think it had to be measured differently. Yeah. Better than Gino? Yes. Okay, Steve, go. So, I mean, my thing, when it's the first I was talking about

Kyler, I mean, you talk about all the athletic things. So that's Kyler. But you talk about somebody who not only runs this offense, you watch Brock Purdy. I watch every one of their games. He is a killer. He has got that Joe Burrow final two minutes. I'm taking your teeth out.

approach to him. And I am a huge Brock Purdy guy because at the end of games, at the end of moments, he elevates people. And one of the hardest thing to do when you have a superstar lineup is to get all of these guys

rocking and rolling consistently at the biggest moments. I am team Brock Purdy all day. I will also tell you, Steve spent a lot of time up there. I've spent a little bit of time up there as well in previous seasons as he was still developing.

and this is not a quarterback who simply does what Kyle Shanahan tells him to do. Maybe he started that way, and that's what helped him really see football in that way and really develop in a very specific way. Very specific, by the way, to all of the little micro details of that ecosystem. That is how they developed him. You are basically the AI program of what Kyle Shanahan wants to do. And that's fine, but I don't think he just simply throws points where Kyle points, throws ball where Kyle wants ball thrown.

Like, I think there's a legitimate collaboration starting to develop there. I'm with you, and he's an improving player. And the reason I vote yes in the end, too, is you're great. Oh, you had us in the first half. I'm not going to lie. I wasn't sure. He was up in the air. But to me, it's more important that if we're talking about the position in 24,

defining the position, I think he really makes it on that count, too. And when you said about Killer at the end of the game, I just started to think about it. I just double-checked it. I mean, they needed a touchdown at the end of the divisional round, or they would have faced an absolutely terrible upset. They get the touchdown. They needed a touchdown and or a field goal five straight drives against the lions.

And they, or else they wouldn't have, you know, and he struggled. He set them up for that deficit, but he gets it. And even in the Super Bowl where, you know, their defense played great through three quarters, he needs a touchdown and a field goal to get them to overtime and a field goal in overtime, which it shouldn't be dismissed.

He gets them all. I mean, that is pretty he's a killer. He's kind of amazing if you think about it. And let me be very clear. We're not saying that because he's on quarterback island, that he's like sitting in the throne on quarterback island, which I've just developed and built in my mind. Which, that's a whole other, that's a whole

other show. I'm saying he is on quarterback island. Okay. He could be off quarterback island if he plays poorly or someone plays better. Okay. We have gotten through the NFC. And so we're six on. We've done it nice and evenly,

but I don't know if that's how it should work because the AFC is deeper in quarterbacks. Nobody's coming off. Let's go to the AFC East. I don't think Josh Allen needs any discussion. We are all giving him a yes. He's on. He has earned his right, whether he's QB2, QB3, who knows, he's up there.

To a tongue of Iloa, to me. is one of the more fascinating ones we can talk about. Steve, let's just talk about him before we vote it all. You've had a lot of time around to it. You saw him get paid. What are your thoughts? I saw him play a full season last year and lighted up. I saw a dude whose teammates roll with him.

Okay? This is a guy, let's not forget. He came in his rookie year with a head coach who didn't want him, overcoming an injury. Fully healthy the next year, head coach who didn't want him, to change OCs, still puts up numbers. Now he comes in with a head coach, he says, okay, I got a guy who can run my system.

I got a guy who's good. We got him some players around, and he lights it up. This is an ascending player. This, he is a top 10 to 12 quarterback in the NFL. I mean, you can sit and say, oh, he's not this, or he doesn't have the strongest. There's a lot of teams that would like to a tongue-of-ile-low. There's a reason why they paid him.

Because if they didn't, he went elsewhere. There'd be someone else who paid him. and that's another barometer here. And we're on the island? Oh, that's fair. We're not going to put the Samoan dude on the island? That's fair. I'm a little confused now because we've put Jared Goff on the island who I didn't.

He's on the potentially. I didn't want. He's not one foot in the water. I actually had two above Jared Goff, but probably below the cutoff line for the island. I do want to say. So now that you guys have forced golf on me, that makes me less likely. Oh, am I the swing vote? to vote for Tua. I'll listen to you. We can't have six NFC dudes on. Now that I'm looking at this.

We'll see. I don't think we will. Okay. Yeah. I, I all, when I was going back and forth, he was one of the people who I flip-flopped on so many times thinking about this. And I, I changed him with, with Jared. And also even with Brock Purdy, I interchange them together, certainly with Kyler a little bit with Gino as well. But with Tua, Steve, Steve, I know you know this because you spend so much time out there. When you stand, if you get to stand, if you ever are lucky and you get to stand behind the way that they run that offensive operation in a live

best on best one's period. And you hear all of the things that Tua does before the snap in terms of orchestrating all of the moving pieces of that offense. He is being asked to do more pre-snap than almost any other quarterback

in the league, first of all. Second of all, what a lot of people don't understand about motion is that every, first of all, there are a million different types of motion that most of which we never even talk about. And they all are timed off of the quarterback's cadence, the spacing in between certain words, the way that they manipulate calls to sort of send a signal to the offense that we're going to run this motion, even though it sounds the defense like this motion, timing it with the exact snap, the quarterback, building that

rapport and trust with the receivers, changing gaps in the quarterback understanding which way the defense is going to move. Because like I said before with Jalen Hertz and that previous Eagle's offense. It's not just moving a guy just to move him. It is picking up a gap, putting it under your arm, and running with it to another place and moving a defender. And then so understanding the way that the defenses and the voids, especially in zoning defenses, change at that point, the space underneath the shell of the zone defense. And so with Tua Tongue Vailoa, I flip-flop so much because I do think that he is being asked to do more than most quarterbacks. So what's your answer? My answer is yes. And I know.

I know I'm going to kick someone off. But I also have him, like I said, I also have him, like, right on the fringe because you're looking at, you know, the record, the struggles late down the stretch of the collective. And he hasn't shown consistently. And I do think that should matter somewhat that he can survive a season and play at a similar level throughout. That's the next level. That's the, you know, you got to play. an entire season and be consistent year after year.

And he hasn't quite done that. That's why he was right on the end. I'm on the borderline. On one hand, like I want to avoid all the dolphins fans seeing a list where there's only two and on is real. On the other hand, I kind of want you to come after me.

So I kind of want to kick him off just to hear about it because it makes me feel good. Don't tag the rest of us. Just tag Greg. Okay. So let me just put this out there. So he's on. You guys voted him on. So let me just put this out there just because we think some of these guys

in us here in shallow. water. If you put two on Detroit or put two with the Packers, is he putting up same or better numbers than those other guys? I think he's putting up similar numbers. Yes. Yeah. I agree. So, two is on. That's a good way to put it.

But I will tell you, vice versa. Jordan Love would be more aesthetically pleasing. I think Jordan you're saying reminds me of like Kurt Warner and Kurt Warner always is to a defender I believe because to win that way pre-snap and then with touch timing, anticipation. I mean,

so many of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the game I've won that way. Joe Montana half his career, people were like, how is he getting this done? I'm not saying too, is at that level, but that type of player sometimes does get a little undervalued by jokers like me who just look at the physical traits. And I want to say, and I'm honking now, I understand that.

Thank you for being such a great mentor to me, Greg. But, like, this is also, it goes even beyond like all of the different, it's a conductor of an orchestra. You're hitting the timpani in one part and you're doing a little pinky point at someone else that's getting the violin, and you've Got the clarinet going off and doing some crazy shit.

And it's just like, you have to know what all of the pieces are going to do and how the defense is going to react. But then you have a second play. So you get them to react to the first play. And then you re-orchestrate the entire thing. Did you go can-can right there? I'm like wild. Did you go can-can?

Did you hit the second play? Can-can, water, go back to the first one. And so I think here's the thing, though. It's also about all of the different ways he could throw the ball. I know we talk ad nauseum about the arm strength with Tua, but the way that they're able to do some of the no hitch throws because of the speed, they have its skill players. And again, parameters that I'm using here is I'm not punishing a guy for the skill players here.

And all of the speed, they can go no hitch. So you're not hitching in your throw. If YouTube, you can watch me awkwardly do that. You're not hitching with your throw. You're going quick game, but you're actually going intermediate and deeper routes because you have that speed. And you still can hit that even though. All of it, all of that orchestration that I just talked about

is happening in half the time. And that's Millicent. He's fast. He's fast. He's on the island. Fast release, not quick release. You convinced me. Impressive honking. Drake May, not eligible.

Jacoby Brissette is a no. No. Whichever patriot. Aaron Rogers is a weird one. I actually thought Aaron Rogers would be a relatively easy no at this point because he's at a prove it season to me, for me, not just because he's coming off of such a serious injury, other that's into it,

but because he didn't play that well the last season that he was healthy. So I'm not just rubber stamping Aaron Rogers onto this island when I've seen guys like Gino Smith and Kirk Cousins outplay him the last couple of years and they didn't make it on the island. He's a big fat, no. He's a big fat, yes. You are seriously telling me you're taking Gino Smith over Aaron Rogers right now.

for who would deserve to be on this island. Yeah. Show it to me. Everyone's excited because he's winning in practice and everything. He struggled in 2020. He's a first ballot hall of fame who got hurt. I get it. But he played through the injury in 2022,

and he played worse than Gino Smith that year. So that was the last time they were both on the field together. I don't want to make it about Gino. What I mean is, like, I think if you really look at his 2022 season, he would not have been one of the top 12 quarterbacks. He wasn't top 12 in any possible metric that you could use, whether it was PFF, whether if it was QBR, DVOA, like, in my eyeballs.

He was good that year, but not great. My eyeballs is, all right, met him. So he's got to prove it. He's no. You're the deciding vote here, Jordan. I know, and I got to tell you, I had him as a yes, but Greg, I think you convinced me on a no. There he go. But, Steve, I'm giving you, do we have time?

Steve, for one more, do you have any, could you pull me back to your side here? Is there any? I love being wooed. My whole thing is very simple. I mean, last year, what, they won seven games. Yeah. With Joe Donut and Jack Rabbit playing quarterback, right? If Aaron Rogers was healthy, they're going to the playoffs in a very tough

AFC. But Greg is thinking, you know, that Aaron's going to come in there and have a one-to-one. No, I think it'll be fine. I think it'll be fine. I mean, I don't think it's... I mean, I'm just sitting here. I mean, maybe... I can see Greg starting to...

Maybe I'd be dazzled by my haul of... I mean, I don't think it's cool that you just call. Tim Boyle Joe Donut or Trevor Simeon. Yes. Or like Tim Horton, am I right? Oh, Donut joke. Donut joking.

Yeah, no, I have, no. Come on. The only reason I would put him on right now is because he'd be a fun guy to kick off later. But that's a bit of reason. What is up? You're such a Patriot's fan. No, I'm just having fun.

All right. I'm putting him on. What? Yes, thank you. I might kick him off later, but I'm putting him on. All right. We just put three in from that division.

That means we have nine. It's going to get. We have real crowded. Lamar Jackson is on. Yes, on. Joe Burrow is on. Yes. Okay.

All right. Suddenly we're up to 11. We have only one spot left because you just... Between two guys. No, between two divisions and two guys. The Steelers don't have an option between Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. We can all say no, right? No.

So I think that was the... No. That wasn't that he's on? Well, either way. That's a no. You know what, though? When we hold up upside down, it does say on. I'm glued through the first couple options that one, so I'm catching up on bells here.

Thank you, Eric's in the studio. We're just getting really heated. We're starting to, we got to pick it up. Here's a boat. I don't know who that bow is for. We're there's one for you. Steelers is a no. Steelers is absolutely no.

Deshawn Watson, does he deserve any conversation? Negative. No, he's not on. No quarterback or no player coming into 2024 has more of a spotlight on him than Deshawn Watson. We can talk about Aaron Rogers or anything else. The fact that the Houston Texas have gotten. off of the draft picks they got from

Deshawn Watson trade and the fact that the Cleveland Browns, albeit them a playoff team, have got no ROI. Okay. Number four. The islandless. Yeah. The mainland Deshawn Watson is under pressure. He's not on the island. It is just crazy.

All the Browns fans and Watson, everyone's, why are you so tough on Watson? Like, you're just a hater. It's like, that's a real split audience up there. I'm just saying, like, at what point have you seen anyone resembling the quarterback he was in Houston? Because

as much as I don't like it, if you saw that quarterback for about three straight weeks, everyone like me would shut up. They would have to. They wouldn't like it, but they would have to. But that quarterback hasn't been there. So, yeah, we don't need to talk about it. C.J. Stroud, does he take any conversation

or is he already just like obviously on there? I think. Yeah, he is, but we're going to have to now kick someone off. Yeah, we're up to 12. well we haven't got have we oh wait we're at 12 so he's the last one oh i didn't circle the first one oh i panicked for a second CJ should be number 12 on my camera thank you so we're up to cj and that was part of the reason i did not want to put rogers on was because i knew the numbers are getting so okay so right now we basically have we have 12 guys three candidates possibly four who are on the inflatable slide

on the aircraft okay so let's go through the teams that are remaining the tennessee titans have will levice you know no stop taking hits on the goal line that's a no across the board obviously Trevor Lawrence is an interesting no to me yeah I love him though I think he's going to be a hell of a player I wish he's not there it's a disappointment I'd love to see him on a different team I would that out there I would too really yeah I would too I'm not putting it all on the team I'm not putting it all on the team either I think a chain of change would be at some point fine for all parties involved team quarterback like just get just get a different system get some different juice get just different different different little uh quiet

i'm picking up from uh jordan without her saying it so that's interesting i just think it's crazy that we all agree that trevor lawrence entering year what is this he's going a fifth year five is is not top 12 to us show me something i mean he showed he showed something he's above the Dalton line. He's not on the island. He's in a special... He is above the Dalton line. Like, there's no argument about that. The Dalton line is like the safe little, like, raft zone for the, like, if you're off the island... It's like the Bermuda triangle that's between the Dalton line and not on the island. It's a weird zone where him and Kirk Cousins are hanging out. It's not a place where you

disappear, though. It's a safe, it's a safe area. It's like Redemption House almost. You're not on the island, but you are ahead of the Dalton line. That's where we pull from to get. Okay. Yeah. Anthony Richardson is a no. right now just because we've got to see it. The Raiders clearly don't, we're going to go to the AFC East and I'm at EFC West to wrap up. The Raiders clearly don't have a quarterback,

whether it's Minchu or O'Connell. You eliminated Justin Herbert. Yeah. He'll be working his way on here. I wasn't sure about that. Executive decision rookies and injuries. Let's wait for this injury to play out. I just, I'm,

I think Caleb Williams deserves to be on this island. I think he and Justice. Herbert will be on this island. You keep saying all these people will be on these. Well, they can't all be on the island. The island's an exclusive place. Some of these guys, some of these guys, you're going to, you know. We will be removing people.

Okay, Bo Nix or Jared Stidham is not an option. So we're really just down to my home. Jack Wilson. Oh, yeah, that was going down. I'm kicking your Jack Wilson take on this show from four weeks ago off the island. Yeah, let's change. Can we punt it into space? It's gone.

So, yeah, we got Mahomes, and he's definitely going on. And you're right. I guess we only got to 13. Now, I just, you know, the listeners are out there, and they know that on my, Geno's on my island. Caleb's on my island. Okay. So are we safe, are we safe to make the argument that the, that the slippery slope guys.

Okay. So we only have to kick one guy off. Jared Gough, Jordan Love. I don't think, Georgia. Yeah. Or purdy? Come on. To a.

Brock can't be on the fence like that. I don't think Jordan Love is on the fence to me. I don't think Jordan loves on the fence. Okay. So just the physical skill set. Also, it's like such a great name. Too overwhelming. So Mahomes is on.

We now have 13 guys on. And I hate to do this for the first time in the history of QBI. And this will be the first time and the only time ever that we populate it from scratch. From now on, they're hanging out there. They're having bingo night. Until they're not. Yeah, they're having the night where they get to, what do they say when you bring in your wife conjugal visits,

you know, like in jail, they bring on the significant others. Come on to the island. Port-Aback Island is a wonderful place. Yeah. Open to all. No, I know, but, you know, it's like, but one guy has to get kicked off. So we're playing White Lotus here.

Everything's fine until it's super not. Okay. So Purdy, I'm going to say Purdy has to stay on. He's got to stay on. So it's down to Rogers and Jared Goff. Can we agree? At least those are the three guys that are candidates. I would agree with that.

And to me, I'm going to go ahead and just Jared Goff of those guys would be the guy I have to pull. Why is that? I'm not pulling Tua. And I'm not pulling Aaron Rogers. When you look at this list as her right now, he's the only, well, him at Mahomes is the first bout hall of fame. It's not about the Hall of Fame, though.

It's not about the Hall of Fame. It's about your, you said it at the top of the show. What is it to be a quarterback right now? Yeah, who defines the position. Okay, so let's, let me throw this out there. If you're looking at our candidates on there, who is the most likely of these guys, are not likely to not win an MVP, or at least be in the MVP conversation? This year?

Well, and let's say, with Jerry Goff, two are Aaron Rogers, which one of those three is most likely to not be an MVP competition? I don't know because I actually That's a tough question I don't know if I have like an obvious thing I feel like we have to eliminate Rogers versus one of those guys makes sense but someone we should decide between Tua and

Goff who's safe because to me they're kind of in the same category I think it's the first thing but like Tua was in that conversation for like 12 weeks last year Jared Goff was in it for like maybe one or two and I mean I'm just this is all this is last year solely and again like this is painful

because I love Jared, but I mean, I'm just saying... I think we've got to decide before we decide between the three. We have to decide between Tua and Gough who's safe. Because to me, those two are in the same category. You know, the system and kind of what their ceiling has been. So I think we have to say one of those two is safe and then decide between them and Rogers who is getting kicked off.

I don't have a strong take. I lean towards Tua because if I was starting a team, I think I feel like I love watching. Jared Goff spin the ball, and I actually think I would prefer to have Goff. I just feel a little more comfortable with Jared Goff than Tua, but I could be convinced. What do you think? Oh, man, this is tough. The inventor of the game suddenly, if I was Sophie's choice.

Oh, my God. I got to say, if I'm building an offense, I would really want to build the way the Lions have built their team. I love all the speed that Miami has. I stand by my take. Look at Steve's face. No, no, I'm listening. No, I'm interested in this.

I know. No, no, I know. I'm reading myself shrinking in my chair. I know, no, no, I'm reading the alliance. No, no. Here's how Jordan's thinking, okay, 22 offensive run too tight, two tailbacks, and they're going to throw a go pattern to Amon Ray St. Brown out of a run formation. That's how she's thinking right now.

Yeah, that's that's exactly what. That literally is what my brain was doing. You're the best, Steve. Okay, so I am, and if it comes down to me over, I have to think about the durability factor. I love for Tua that he is healthy. I love for Tua that he came back from some horrible stuff, mentally and physically. I love that for him. Jared Goff came back from some horribly mental stuff as well.

Jared Goff has improved over time, particularly when he has been at the correct pace with the team growing around him, with the O.C., with the protection. He is, I'm not punishing, I'm not going to punish either of these guys for succeeding with the players around them and also everyone lifting each other in many, many ways. Jared Goff with the durability, I think I got to lean toward Jared Goff's gang because of that durability. Okay, good argument. So I'm out. So Tua is off, but I'm, I'm keeping Tua on because if Tua got to play 13 games in domes, which Jared Gough gets to do this. I love it. Tua's going for 5,000.

Okay, so I think we've determined. And I didn't feel that strong about this. I'd rather have two of... I think we've just... You'd rather have two of us. No, no, no, I'm... Guys, let me... Greg's face.

I said, over time, I'd rather have... Who's on Kubey Island, Jordan? Jared, I already said. Jared's on... Yeah, you guys got Gough to us. But Tua's on Kube Island in my heart. What we've determined, Jared Gough is on Kube Island. He's staying on Kube Island to find out who does get thrown off the island.

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This is going to be something we revisit often during the season. and we're going to talk on the show. I think Tuesdays would be a great day for it. Well, maybe not every Tuesday, but pretty semi-regularly. We'll revisit who deserves to come on to the island, who deserves to get kicked off the island. It'll be our way of kind of talking about the quarterback position. I have a question about QB Island.

Yes. So we're going to windle this down at all? So there's going to be less spots on. We can have 12 the whole season, right? So we got to give away. We can have 12 spots the whole season because we will be adding rookies at some point. True. I'm saying, like, at some point...

When you get to the playoffs, you've got to take it down to like a winner, right? I don't know if it's a winner. Like, I do think you've hit upon possible twists that we can add during the season. And at some point, we need to kick up to the people off. We're starting at 12.

That's fun. We're willing it down, like the NCAA playoff. I think, I don't think we're going to whittle it to one or anything. But I do think it doesn't have to stay 12 forever. The key is we have to surprise Jordan and not tell her about it. Make it harder. I love how this is fun on.

Greg cannot wait till Gino Smith makes this list. Yeah, we're expanding the list. He'll earn his spot. Aaron Rogers, Tua, Tua, I guess there's only room for one right now. And shout out to Jared Goff just for, you know, making it. This is a nice career achievement. Been through a lot. He has been through a lot.

I don't have a hot take here because I wasn't really in favor initially of either of these guys making it. I had a couple people ahead of them. I had Caleb ahead of them. I had Gino ahead of them. I had Kirk Case here, Jordan. I know I argued for this earlier. As we kept talking, though, I just kept going back to, you know, Kirk's streakiness was the reason, and the Achilles together were the reason why I did not put them on quarterback calling plus the age.

The Achilles, if I used it, I'm almost like, is it not fair? If I used it for one to reason with one older quarterback, and they're not in the same category of talent, they're not. Steve's got that face again. No, no, I'm listening. And if they're, I mean, they're not in the same caliber of talent, Kirk and Aaron. But if I was going to argue in Achilles' recovery and return, for one, then it's almost like unfair for me. You won't even let poor Justin Herbert get on. Yeah, he's just out a couple weeks.

I feel like I'm trying to create like, you know, rules for quarterback island when it's going to devolve into pure nebulosity. is that a is that a word probably is now pure chaos and look Steve Axol nice he is nice but you know to him his to me my Gino is his Tua so he's just like sticking up well no my thing is my no no my thing is

Rogers defines a position more if I had to choose I'd probably keep Rogers yeah I mean to me I mean if it's between those two I'm keeping Aaron Rogers the guy's got how many MVPs got Super Bowl championship and now I know you made the argue the durability argument me against Tua, well, he's been healthier than Aaron Rogers the past. Yeah. But at the

same time, like, I would have Tua on instead of Jared Gough, but I can't put Tua ahead of Aaron Rogers. I cannot do that. I think that's, that's a well reason. That's rational. I would probably say, I'd probably say I'll go with Steve on this.

Aaron Rogers over Tua, but again. Oh, I thought we were getting golf off the island. If you want to reopen it. We don't have time. This is the initial. This is the initial 12. Look, there's only three of us. We're the only voters. Who are you voting

off the island? Tua, Gough, or Aaron Rogers? Gough, I already told you that. But I got voted down. I thought I had created an alliance that was unstoppable. You go first, Greg. Well, now I'm confused.

I'm voting two off. I'll vote two off as well. All good. But Tua will be back on. I guarantee it. You've said that about four people coming on. So I'm,

this list. So Kyla Murray's going to be on, Jordan. I said I'm excited for him to play his way on. Justin Herbert's going to be on.

I don't think Rogers stays there the whole year. Okay, real quick. I'm changing my vote. I'm going back to my list. I'm voting Rogers off out of those three.

So now we're. So now we're stalemated. We're staleaded. Only 11. So let's go back to so we're now Tua and Rogers. I'm going to flip flop like a freaking fish.

right now. Don't you do it. Don't you do it? I'll vote Rogers off. Get rid of them. Two can come on. Wow. Wow. Wow. I'm porpoising. I clearly would be terrible on Survivor. I don't know how to play this game whatsoever. Okay, real quick. I kind of lost the plot like happens. I don't really know what's going on. Of like the borderline people. Yeah. Could work their way back on. Kyle Murray, Kurt Cousins, Trevor Lawrence. Rogers. Rogers. Who's going to be the first one to work his way on? Between Rogers and Kyler.

Okay. We're putting them in the safe raft. What about with Kirk Cousins in there, too? I think Caleb's going to have a chance. I think Gino's going to have a chance. It's almost harder to get on the island to start with, then it will be to kick out because it's going to be hard once we get there to kick them off. I think her cousins will be on.

There's a big moment for. I think Kurt Cousins, he's got a better team. those other guys. What a... Oh, Gino's got a good team. What a first episode of QB Island. Do you feel satisfied? I know we got a little confused there at the end.

I feel scared. George's in knots right now. She's thinking about like 22 personnel. She's thinking about everything going on. She's a knots right now. The final list of the players... Turns out quarterback island is my personal hell. On quarterback island.

Jack Prescott. Jalen Hertz. Jared Gough. Jordan Love, Matthew Stafford, Brock Purdy, Josh Allen, Tuatung of Iloa, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud, and Patrick Mahomes.

Oh, my gosh. That's a hell of a list. That's a freaking good list. It's a hell of a list that we're leaving Justin Herbert and Aaron Rogers off, but I'm looking forward to discussing quarterback. Justin Herbert is not on it because he has a

nebulous injury, Greg. Stop sending people after me. It's not a ranking. Jordan wanted to be sure. This is not a ranking. We're not ranking them. She doesn't like rankings, but this was a fun other way. I appreciate you guys for being here in the Chris Wessling podcast studio.

Got a message from one of Chris's great friends, Rosie Laney today. It was 14 years ago today she had put on her Facebook congratulating Chris Wessling for getting a promotion at Roto World, which I remember. He was elevated to senior editor and their dynasty football. experts. She sent that right before we came into the Chris Wessel podcast series. So just thinking of Chris wrestling today and

thinking about quarterback island. It's a lot like Tybee Island. I like Tybee Island. They got Huckapoo's. Yes. Yes to quarterback Island. We will see you next time on NFL Day. This is an IHeart podcast.