NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Quarterback Island Season Finale!

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue, Colleen Wolfe, and Steve Wyche for the season two finale of Quarterback Island! First, The Conversation about Matthew Stafford and Drake Maye's MVP case (05:00), then the crew decides whether or not Patrick Mahomes (16:10), Jordan Love (19:00), Sam Darnold (23:00), Joe Burrow (30:20), Brock Purdy (32:45), Trevor Lawrence (37:30), Bo Nix (42:40), Caleb Williams (46:30) and others will end the 2025 regular season on Quarterback Island.  Note: time codes approximate.  NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's the problem. I ain't right back. Let's go. This is quarterback island. it's time season finale let it be known season two

thank you to randy chavez the pipes the vision thank you to gino smith unfortunately that's the last time he will be brought up on this show but he was

a guy who finished the season last year on qbby island this is what we've all been leading towards truly watching uh jordan light up during that intro. She's so happy. I love that this brings you so much joy

because it brings me joy just because it's contagious. This is like one of my favorite things that I have in my life, Colin? Jordan, are you okay? However you will. It's been great. It's becoming a part of the culture.

I know you guys have been getting some comments about it. And I love when that happens. I saw a reference from Theo Ash, who is good on TikTok, but I saw this on Twitter where he said that Baker Mayfield belongs on mid-quarterback Island.

But it just means that it's getting into the culture. Spin-off idea. Spin-off idea. We're going to do the Channel Islands version. No, no, no. We're going to call those the keys. Oh, yeah.

Okay. So for people who don't know, quarterback island is when we decide and determine who are the quarterbacks that are defining the position in a given season. And yes, this is the last time we planned to do it this year. Although if you remember, we did have an emergency meeting.

We did. After the regular season and Sam Darnold collapsed last season where we yanked them off at the last second. But you never know. We say the season, but we do break this up into segments. Which I think it's crucial coming down the stretch. Very important context. We do it every four-ish games. We're a little bit off of the cadence.

But we still, we break it into segments. And this is the final quarterback. Island asterisk. It's the one that goes down in history as the ones who define. We don't do it after like playoffs or anything. We don't do a playoff edition. It's unfair. We did last year.

Probably won't be happening this year. Okay. All right. Future co. We future co. We will first tell you who is on quarterback island. Yes. To start this episode, the 10 men who finished last time out, which was about week

12, week 11. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, two of the members who have been on quarterback island since day one and never left. Will they stay here? Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, who's been on and off the island over the last couple of years. Drake May is on the island. Matthew Stafford, Lamar Jackson, another all-timer. Daniel Jones snuck on at the very end last time before he got hurt. And Jordan Love was the final person to make it on to quarter.

Back Island last time around. So this is all good context. We're going to go through who doesn't deserve to be on, who does deserve to be on. But I would like to announce for this final edition, we are reducing them.

Oh, no. Please tell me no more than one. We're taking two more people out. He did it again. I think to end the season, eight, that's like a quarter of the league. This is a double reduction. We're bringing down from 10 to 8.

It sounds good though. I think at the end of the season to... I'll take one with cheese. Take one. That's adding... That is adding intrigue. We're taking two people off. So this episode will finish with only eight guys on quarterback island.

Here's my thing. But because of the injury rule, the Jordan rule. Exactly. I mean, that's what I'm saying. The reductions come easy because there's... Well, there's different people that are on the island that could be taken off. We'll see. We'll see.

I think it'll lead to the best show possible. The first thing, and that's what's most important, that we need to address, is who is staying on the island. And usually we do this just with kind of the locks right at the beginning that we don't necessarily have to go with a long conversation about. And it's really interesting because there are two men now, Drake May and Matthew Stafford, who, if you had told me at the beginning of the season, these are the two quarterbacks that are going to dominate the conversation all year. that would have been a big surprise. But to me, they feel like no-brainers to stay on the island. So I think we can all just agree that May and Stafford are just... Everyone's holding up there yes.

I'm saying on. On. And yes. We're all saying yeses. We have cardboard cutouts. And with that, I actually wanted to bring it to a different conversation. We have a special guest on this edition of QB Island. Welcome to Patrick Claibon.

Yes. What? In the back room. There he is. Where? A man. Hey, everybody. Who constructed a V-O-G?

A mathematical formula to determine who is in the MVP conversation. And I just felt like this is the show to talk May Stafford with you guys. It makes more sense than our preview show. And so for the listeners that aren't familiar, Patrick, with the, the science that you've brought to this May versus Stafford debate. Just give them some context and where we're at right now. Hey, first and foremost, thanks to all the quarterback island viewers and listeners for facilitating my admission to this tent pole, which we enjoy tent poles around here because it keeps the tent up and operating as we are our family within the tent.

The lights are still on. Yes, for now. And so what I would like to, what I hoped to do was facilitate a farcical conversation surrounding the, Parsicle conversation that is the most valuable player award and how nebulous and vibes-based it could be. So over the course of the season, I assigned points for

winning, winning games against teams in prime time, winning games against other contenders in prime time games, with the point totals escalating as the season went on and positive and negative points were awarded alongside the great mind

trust that I had here within this NFL daily franchise, which is mostly me bugging Jordan and Greg while they were doing the spreadsheet. It's incredible. And the spreadsheet has revealed the results here after week 17. Drake May has 87 points.

After a negative performance in prime time with the whole world watching against the Atlanta Falcons Matthew Stafford is down to 61 points. Which puts him in second place but only by one point over Bo Nix. And so that's where we stand

quarterback-wise in the conversation. conversation. Christian McCaffrey has exceeded a couple of quarterbacks now with 69 points. Okay. Nice. I agree. For CMC. And otherwise, the most notable aspect is Miles Garrett once he started out with negative 100 points.

For being a defensive. For being a non-quarterback, right? Yes. Right. Non-quarterback and a defensive player, which is a significant hindrance if you'd like to win this award. Seems so. Seems so. Which is once again a farcicle award with no general.

parameters for how we decided. And no real agreeance on what the criteria are. He has 47 points. It's a great performance by Miles Garrett. But the conversation scoring, which again is not my attempt to highlight who I believe should be the MVP.

And yet? It's Drake May. And yet, Patrick. It is really funny because you made this conversation all about how it's all vibes base, right? And kind of ridiculous. And yet, because you know how the voters think, and you kind of figured out what the formula is, prime time wins, leading touchdowns, this or that, maybe it's not as vibe-based as you think, because the formula

has spit out who is now the favorite to win the award. Like, you have now nailed it. And it's really because what I've been saying all season is all that matters is whatever, whatever happens in weeks 15, 16, 17, 17, like, that's who wins the award. That's basically how the voters do it. And that's where Drake May has made this big comeback points wise. In which it seems like a silly way to facilitate a season-long award by picking out three weeks at the end. Thank you. Much in the same way that a lot of teams who consistently lose make hiring and firing decisions regarding the results

within those final moments. Not dissimilar to quarterback Island. I would say we're breaking up the segment. Quarterback Island has introspection. You guys are aware of the task that's at hand. I think, you know, not to diminish the efforts of sports writers but they're very proud of the things that they believe in their opportunity to say something and when you give them a goal

which is loosely defined they're going to try to get their own personality in it by any means necessary and that's how we've resulted in this award that nobody knows what we're voting for while we're voting for it or how it's going to work out. I'm going to stand up for sports writers and say this is the same thing that the college football selection committee

does as well. Yes. Yes. Okay. This is these are the college football selection committee rules we're playing with by. Equally bad. My brain, my mind is kind of blown here, Patrick, because it sounds like what started as a metaphor became a real equational system. It's become sentient. It's taken over. It's not biopic. She did it.

She did it. But we've come full circle back to the real equation can shine a light on the ridiculousness of the metaphor because there's a reason. that the metaphor exists is because people aren't using the equation, but they are. I mean, my, just, whoa, without even, without even knowing. I mean, there are, there are weaknesses here. I would like to know what you would suggest otherwise, because if Matthew Stafford had had this game, let's say, in week seven, the three interception game against Falcons, he would not have necessarily been in as commanding a position as like he felt like he was in

the first place. But I mentioned this Monday night, I don't want to repeat myself, but, The only thing that annoys me are the people that are super strident, how ridiculous it would be to pick one or the other. It's just a beauty contest, and you can make your case, but it's just like, you're just kind of picking off whatever. They both had great seasons. It's not obvious whatsoever.

Okay, so what was the point differential last night? Three points, right? Yeah. And they lose to Seattle by one. Matthew Stafford throws almost 500 yards bar to Seattle. And that's kind of, well, he lost that game too. Mm-hmm. But you were pointing out, Patrick, if they had maybe called,

PI on the Falcons late in that game and the Rams go on to win that game that that would have changed which is a great argument. The formula. Which is ridiculous. Which is crazy because he still did not play well in that game but he happened to make a play at the right time. And it's interesting, Greg, that you bring up

a week seven idea to this because that's kind of what started this was the idea that games really mattered after week 10 and again this is a season long award in which the season's results are cumulative. And And if we're going to diminish those first seven, eight, nine weeks of the season,

then what's the point of all this? Matthew Stafford has played quarterback at a spectacular level for almost the entire season, doing things that even he and his great career has not been able to do consistently. It's really weird that a bad night in Atlanta seems to wipe all that away. But yet, nevertheless. It won't wipe it all away, especially because of the new voting method, which I always was stumping for. And it's one thing that I feel like I helped speak into existence was,

It used to just be you vote for one guy. Now you vote one to five, and that changes things up. It's literally the only reason why Josh Allen won MVP last year over Lamar Jackson. And so that adds a little more variability. I don't think Stafford is going to be lower than two on many. He's definitely going to be one on many. And so you never know, like, who wants to put Drake May or Stafford forth, who wants to, you know. And I think it's going to be closer than people think no matter what happens in Week 18.

And I wouldn't be surprised with Stafford won in the end. Everyone thought Lamar had it in the bag at this point last year. Not this guy. You're right. And here's the other thing. And Jordan will absolutely agree with me on this. Like Stapr could throw up for 700 yards against the Arizona Cardinals, but because they're really not one of 32.

Yeah. Like their games don't count more. It's not in prime time either. Yeah. I mean, so it probably won't even check a box. Well, that's got to count for Drake Bay then, too, going up against the Jets, right? That should. But it was just so special.

But no, the Jets count, because we talk about them. I think the problem is the last conversation you've had about the Arizona Cardinal. Right now. Right now. Thank you, Patrick. For creating something that's more powerful than all of us. Oh, he's gone. That was crazy.

I hope he can come back for our week 18 previous show. He's a big part of that. So, yeah, let's put a pin in any May v. Stafford talk now. two fantastic seasons by two young and old legends. Okay. The other obvious ones, I think, and you guys could tell me if I'm wrong. And this is a pretty long list to start off the episode with,

but I don't think it's that crazy. I think Josh Allen is a clear yes, right? He's had a couple games where he didn't play his best, certainly against the Eagles. And I think that took him out of the MVP race. but he obviously is a yes. I think Justin Herbert doesn't really need to be discussed, but let me hear.

No discussion. He's on. He's on. Okay. I mean, I think that was... You got a bunch of tape dogs in here. Yeah, okay. That was kind of the classic Justin Herbert game against the Texans,

where if you were watching, you understood why maybe the numbers don't reflect how good is. How good he is, because he got heated up, and that's happened over and over. And then I'm willing to have a conversation. But to me, DAC Prescott has been consistent enough in everything that I wanted out of a quarterback. No arguments. Okay. Okay. We're all voting yes on deck presby.

Aren't you glad you reduced to two more players, not Greg? That we're keeping. Okay. So we have five guys that I think are locked on. I mean, I saw DAC. I saw some quarterback rankings. Oh, I'll say it because I hate when people just blind. Were they made by anyone in the room?

No. They were on the athletic. It was Jeff Howe. He had Dak Prescott 9th. And I'm just thinking. Yeah. He's watching number. He's watching formulas and cloud stuff.

The formulas are great for Dack Prescott. Yeah. I'm watching football. And I think Dack Prescott's feelings were a little hurt when everyone was kind of like, oh, it was so great to see real ball back with Philip Rivers, you know, calling everything and changing. And like, this is how football used to be? It's like, how about Dack Prescott, bro? That's our generation's poor man's Peyton Manning.

Here we go. So what are we doing about the injuries? Now it gets more interesting. Okay, we have five people on the island. Does anyone want to nominate someone from the 10 people that were on the island previously to be kicked off? It could be an injury guy, it could be anyone. Yeah, well, Jordan rolls, Patrick Mahomes off the island. Yeah, Patrick, he's out.

He's injured. And, and I will say, there's been, there's been, I've been following the quarterback island debate. A lot of times I get either tag in it or sent it, and I love it, by the way, keep that up. That's awesome. I love that all the time. You could make some argument that even before the injury, Patrick Mahomes was not consistently playing up to the automatic status. Like, there should have at least been a conversation about Patrick Mahomes

before the injury. Now, he's off to me because he's hurt, but we could have had the conversation about it. Now, there is, like, some wiggle room with the injury stuff. We left Lamar Jackson on controversially last time around. if Patrick Mahomes was having an MVP caliber season I think we would be talking about leaving him on but he didn't and I think that's a fair point also we left Lamar on understanding there was maybe a week left before he was coming back

this is the end of the year's quarterback island he's not coming back this season and he was kind of on the fringe before that he is a quarterback who defines a generation absolutely but for the purposes of this episode of quarterback island he is off the island. So Patrick Mahomes is off the island. Well, we got to vote. Daniel Jones, too. We got a vote. Let's vote on Patrick Mahomes.

So, yeah. I vote no. No. He's off the island. I vote no. I did think the second part of what you said in terms of him being borderline was almost as important as the injury, because I am putting myself in a place where he's having an MVP season, MVP caliber. Let's say he was kind of like Carson Wentz, you know, in that one season or maybe even Derek Carr in that one season where he gets hurt late. Or Patrick Mahomes. Let's say in one of his MVP seasons he got hurt here in week 1415.

I think that would be a conversation. Yes. But yeah, it's crazy. He was playing some of the worst football in his career right before he got hurt, even though he's great. Of his career was a high standard, but he still was like basically leading them and rushing and everything as well. So let's not just look at the passing numbers. He was still playing at a high level. Okay, you mentioned Daniel Jones.

I know this hurts. But yes, that's an obvious. He's got to go. Sad. I'm so sad for the whole situation in Indy. I saw your with Carly Thank you so much, Colin.

Yeah, everyone should check it out. Thank you. Carly, where can they find? Hershey Gordon at the Athletic. Yes, wrote a profile, fretted a lot over it, honored to write it, it was awesome. We might hit it a little more on the preview show. I think that's a good time for it when we're talking Colts.

It will be remembered, though, that Daniel Jones played well enough to be on the island for half of this season. Well, which goes couch? the argument Patrick has made the first 10 games of the year don't matter. It matters to us. Not in the MVP, but it matters. Good point. To us. Okay, so there are three other players that are on the island

who we could table for now if we wanted. Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, and Jordan Love that we haven't talked about. Jordan Love's got to go. Whoa. Tell us why. He's got to go. I mean, I don't think he's been great. You know me, I've always been on the fence. with Jordan Love.

He's incredibly gifted, but he's never done anything where I'm like, woo, that's that guy. Okay, then he gets crushed a couple weeks ago, so he hasn't played in a couple weeks. When I look at some of the other people

that could go on, he doesn't belong ahead of them. Well, we can get to them later, but that's more of my argument. We could talk about the arm strength. We could talk about this and that. Since you reduced it to eight, Greg, and he wears number 10,

I don't know if I would have put him on it was 10. I really want to. I want to table him for now, because I want to compare him to some of the other people. But where I would push back on you would be the moments that make you say, wow. That Bears game, to start out,

he was playing outstanding football. The week before, against the Lions, he was playing incredible football. I think in terms of when we put him on the island, and it was very close, we weren't sure, the stats would have him in the top three or four in terms of success rate, EPA for play all that.

He was right on the borderline, and then right after, I think he went on a heater after. And I felt great about putting him on. So the fact that he gets hurt here with a concussion that he's going to be back for the playoffs and everything, and he was playing great. I just want to compare him to other people and maybe just hold off for now. Okay. I think he is fair to table him. I think there are two truths in both of these positions that you guys have taken. One being that I do think that it kind of hurts Jordan Love's case a little bit for the last few weeks. to go out and see Malik Willis play the way that he did.

Gorgeous, gorgeous football. And then also, to Greg's point, the ceilings for Jordan Love are higher than almost any quarterback in the league. And it's, to me, it's like when you see the highs, your big eye roll here from White. Well, that's because the guys. The ISO wasn't on him, so I had to tell the audience, the audio medium. Not saying that, but for the guys, the guys, I think we should suggest to possibly go on over him, their ceilings are higher. Okay. That's why, I mean, again, I, not hating, but I am hating.

That's the other thing, too. That's why I love about quarterback island, to be clear. That is part of the magic of quarterback island, is that we're not taking these, like, really antagonistic positions about these players. This is a fun place to discuss all of it and the range of opinions. And that's what I love it. Because we're not ranking them, Greg. I mean, we're not ranking them. It's the guys who are defining the season.

Jordan Love. He's kind of coming in and out. He's been in a lot of big moments. Unfortunately, the Packers. A lot of fourth quarter, like, game-winning drives for him, too. Okay. Let's put a couple other guys who can go in there right in that box as well. Lamar Jackson, I actually don't think is going to be a hard conversation.

To me, Patrick Mahomes had a much better case to stay on the island for how he was staying. So if we voted Mahomes off. This is, we're straight-nose. It feels real weird. to do it. I know. Just same as Mahomes. And he might play in week 18.

Lamar Jackson, as we're taping this, we don't know. No. But for him, I think it's even more clear than Mahomes that he was not playing at his life. Mahomes is still like, for instance, if you look at QBR, like, Malm's fifth on the season. Like, he was not having a bad statistical season. And eyeballs for about 10 weeks he was playing well. Lamar was never really right after he came back. So maybe we made a mistake keeping him on,

but that's what you do with all-time green. Yeah, no, no, he's got to go. Okay, he's off. He's gone. We've made a lot of room. Look at this. We've made a lot of room. We've kicked four people off the island.

Do we want to hold off on talking about Darnold who feels like... Why is he on the border? He's a... Why is he on the fence? I don't think he's on the fence. Yeah, I think we need to tackle this. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Let's get to this. Let's just dive into it. Okay, let's dive into it. Colleen, why don't you... start okay uh i think that sam darnald yes the turnovers uh really hurt him recently but the fact that he has this team where they are and his connection with jsn is unreal he's thrown some beautiful beautiful we're looking at one right now passes to him and i think that his career he's seen a resurgence i like him still on the island you know that i'm a sam darnald fan but i don't know

Am I alone in there? I don't even know why we're talking about him not being on the island. Oh, wow. I'm like, why would he not be? No, I, what are we doing here? I think you could make an argument, but I probably am not going to get there.

He's not playing good. He's not playing like, he's not playing well. For the last five weeks, they are winning with Sam Darnold. I think to be on quarterback island, you've got to be the reason because. And I think it does bring. bring up an interesting question for this exercise, which is how much are we waiting the last

four or five weeks versus the season overall? Because we're going to talk about some guys who are finishing really strong. But to me, it's the last one of the year that the whole body of the work does matter. And that helps Darnold out. Because if we're talking about the last five weeks, I don't think he's even close to being on the island. I go full body here. I'll go the last five weeks. And for me, that does give Sam Darnold, full body of the season gives him points for me. However, I gave him even more of a leash here and went the last seven weeks. He is below, he's below Bryce Young. He's below Jacoby Brissette. He's below Baker Mayfield. He's playing terrible, terrible football right now. He's below Spencer Rattler in terms of EPA per dropback

through that span. He's at negative.1-1 EPA per dropback, nine touchdowns, nine interceptions. And he's not getting pressured a heck of a lot more than a lot of those other players. The thing is, is, like, you guys know that, like, I love Sam Darnold in this offense. And I think he has the resilience that is needed at the position. And I think he's a perfect fit for what the Seahawks are trying to do when he protects the football. And it's just that that turnover to interception ratio. And like I said, I gave him a longer leash, even seven weeks, not just four.

And for me, I just, I could not quite get there in terms of waiting. the overall body of work with a almost half the season at that point. I see some of that, but I mean, I see some of the picture tip balls, right? Yeah, but he, that's a feature, not a bug. Like, he is among the league leaders in tip balls. I'm glad you brought that up. Like, that's something that he struggles with for whatever reason. Is he tipping him?

I'm saying, like, they, maybe, maybe he's staring down his receivers. Maybe it's predictable. Maybe they're not catching them. that could be part of the problem a lot of them's at the line of scrimmage he throws the ball into into traffic I mean I'm just

look I was at an incredible game against the Rans where he didn't play great in the first half and then once he got rolling that's the resilience I'm talking about but that game's a good example because to me he has two drives in that game and they won with him and he made

a great overtime drive but he's only there I don't want to make this the who's the quarterback on the best teams Island. I want it to be who's playing the best. And they flash the stat in that Panthers game where he did not play well in that game. He did not play well in that game. He did not play well on that game. It's been a while where they

said they are dead last in the NFL in third and long conversions. And to me that's a bit of a quarterback stat. A bit of a quarterback issue. A lot of it's a big part of that offense. That last. It's a big part of that offensive scheme. You can talk about the Kyle Shanahan like they can't come from behind and things like that because of that scheme unless you get them extraordinary explosives. Well, okay. So for me

I'm now looking at Jordan Love versus Sam Darnold in terms of who stays. Well, there's also some other guys. Okay, so it sounds, it sounds right now like Colleen and Steve are yes, and Jordan and I are a no. And so that is a natural table. And I think we're at a point here where actually we could do a natural break. It's actually time for our news of the day.

And that news, of course, is for the first time in QB Island history. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson are no longer on the island. So thank you for your service, Josh Allen, you know, and Herbert might be the only two, like, long-term survivors. Throw it on a social graphic. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back. We'll talk about some of the people that might be joining our island residents. Oh, boy. on your holiday list, don't shop around.

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Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. Back on Quarterback Island. I said it was going to be tough during the break because I started looking at these names. Yeah. These young men who have played fantastic this year. We're going to have to leave some people off. And you said, that's why it's quarterback island, Jordan.

It's tough. It's tough. It's agonizing, you guys. But that's part of getting to the island is making that swim. It's not supposed to be easy. Okay, so you know who still waters around the island. I will mention some people. And remember, remember, every single one of us four has the riptide available to us.

What is the riptide? The riptide is when one person, at least you use the right name for it this time. The rip tide is when a person can autonomously decide to rip. one player off of quarterback island without putting it to a vote, and it is done. However, the group must then decide who they can replace that player on quarterback island. But you cannot, you have no control. That's the riptides. Don't hold it for?

Don't piss me off or anyone else. Can you use yours already, Greg? That was last year. I didn't understand the rules. No one did. To get Gino on. And technically he used something he calls the rip cord, which I guess is a different thing. Right, right.

That's on you. You know, Rip Tide, it's very confusing. There's a lot of players who are obviously not going to be on the island. Like, we don't need to talk about Brady Cook, obviously. But just some notable quarterbacks I wanted to mention that I don't think are going to come up for a vote today. Tyler Shook, in the offensive rookie of the year mix. We're watching you. You're on the watch list.

Baker Mayfield. Obviously got kicked off last time. It's gotten worse since then. I don't think we need to talk about him. Has indeed. I don't, Jalen Hertz got kicked off last time. He was the reason we did another episode, I think, at the end of last year, because he won the Super Bowl and everything, and we were feeling bad about that.

I don't think it's a hard conversation. He's an obvious no right now. And so those are just a couple of the notable noes. Joey Burrow, too, right? Are you going to? Well, okay, let's go to Joe Burrow. I think Joe Burrow is interesting. Because it's like, I'm not nominated him.

Okay. But I'm not not nominated him because I do want to think. think about being consistent for everyone here. If you look at the last five weeks in any statistical measure, he's in the top five, basically, in advanced stats and counting stats. I don't need to go through them all. And if we're going to potentially put some people onto quarterback island based on how they're playing primarily in the last five, six weeks in the season,

I think Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy are going to be interesting names that come up, then at least I think trying to be consistent, it's not crazy to think about Joe Burrow. So why wouldn't you say Shuck? Well, I just would say Shuck is not at that level of play. Okay, okay. I will say in terms of EPA per dropback among qualified passers, and I'm in my weeks 10 to 17 framework right now,

Tyler Shuck is outside of the top 10, and we're doing eight, obviously. Joe Burrow is fifth Oh, he's killing it in terms of qualified players Now is he defining Is he defining the position I think he takes a pretty big

negative in that he's missed most of the season I think that is part of it And the bigger one for me And so why I probably am leaning but I want to go through all the names to him off is that they did get it shut out one of those five weeks

If you've only played like five weeks that we're basing on And your team scored zero points in one of those five weeks. And in the biggest game of the season, even though you went crazy in the snow, you turn the ball over two times at the very end, then it makes it harder. Like he would have had to maybe be so exceptional, like MVP level. He would have had to have a little more rule of cool with him too, I think, making those plays in the snow.

I'm not voting him on. I'm saying no to Joe Burrow. Look forward to it next year. I think he'd be on the island if he didn't miss some. much of this season because of the sample size that we have from him and knowing what he's done before. But even after he came back from the injury, he's played really well. But I think

it's just missed too much. Guys, this is going to make Joe more melancholy. Oh, no. It is true. I mean, they did get shut out immediately after he was really sad, which is not quarterback island. I hate this. I'm like the biggest Joe pro man in the world. I hate it. It's a no. Okay. I love the guy. All right, we did vote no. Does anyone...

How about someone go on? Yeah, yeah. Please. How about Mr. Brock Purdy. It's got to be on this island. Since he returned, the Niners offense has lit up and he's done so well, multiple games now with five total touchdowns.

He's good with his legs and his arm. I think that he's so efficient. This is someone who should 100% be on the island. Right now, he is one of the best perimeter passers. How about that? In the NFL. Right now, he also only trails Drake May in terms of EPA

per dropback. He was always known as a kind of in the middle of the field type of pass. Now he's perimeter. He's moving the ball. But I mean, something Greg says all the time when he's talking about quarterback Island, defining the position. I don't know anyone who's playing the position better than him right now

behind an offensive line that's rotating. He had George Kittle sometimes. Sometimes he has not. He's got Joanne, let it be known, Jenny. That he's throwing the ball too. He can't I said it last night on the free game show. I said something about Joanne Jennings, and he said,

let it be known, and I stopped dead because I was like, yes. And then I was like, oh, it's a joke. I get the joke now. Damn it. And now there's just silence. Hold on me keep going. Let me be known. But I mean, he's just.

I mean, you could say ho on NFL Daily. Maybe not. I'm not saying he's a ho. Shelby Harris did. Yeah. I just think the fact that Show me was great in saying let it be known, like four different ways. Like when he makes it play, like let it be known, and Joanne Jennings is making a play.

Let it be known. Joanne Jennings is one of the best supporting actors of this season So is Shelby Harris And Brock, you know, look, Brock's got the ducky going on We just showed it, he's doing the dougie, but I don't, to me, look at Brock, I mean, the last three games, 11 touchdown passes, he had the stinker. They haven't lost.

He's doing it. He's on five interceptions on the season. He's doing it like in big moments. You're watching him. He's giving you the wow factor. He is defining the position. The only argument that I think you could have against him is the playing time. He's still played less than Mack Jones this year, which is crazy.

And that's why I thought we had to talk, Burrow, because if we're going to put Purdy on, they've played around the same amount of time. And so you at least have to think about Burrow if we're willing to accept it. Once playing with one seed, too. Ultimately, I'm with you guys. I think he's a yes. And let me correct myself, nine interceptions on the season. Still a yes to me, but I was looking at my 10 to 17.

parameters. Right, and that's what he's got 16 and 15 and 5 in that run. And I think he's better than he was when he was an MVP candidate and sort of had the same moment that Matthew Stafford had on prime time and lost in a big spot to lose the MVP. We are yes.

On Brock Purdy. I thought that would be tricky. You seem to have come into this show with a lot of thoughts, Greg. I just made a list. I thought he'd be at 7 or 8. It's a real switch here. It's a real change from how you normally are. And you are dealing with a With a fairly favorable Brock Purdy crowd right here, too.

That's fair. Okay, so now there's six spots taken. There's six spots taken. And you could always, you know, change your mind as we go, but there's six spots taken. I mean, I'm saying we always said, like, if we got tied available to us. Or if we had nine on, like, we could eventually decide to kick someone. Just because I respect him and I want him to mention him on this show,

since we've kicked Jared Gough off, he's actually played better. Yes. And if we're just recognizing great. quarterback play for this season. I think the first eight to ten weeks hurt him a little bit. Don't think it was one of his best seasons. For the last four or five weeks, he's been outstanding. He's been what?

Outstanding. I know he's... Outstanding? Not against Minnesota on Christmas. That probably got him off. Before that, I think it was one of the best four-game stretches of his entire career. And they've lost games. And that's why, like, quarterback is not about...

I think he's showing he can do it when it's not great. around him until that Minnesota game I think he was playing like individually kind of grading his performance every week I think he was on a heater and they lost He was playing well I guess I just need to play better stretches which he will show you how good

of a player that he is And then again that Minnesota game The Minnesota game Killed any possible chance of making it on to an 8 That's a no for Jared Gough But just wanted to give him the respect of getting voted on Can I? Please

Do it Do it The flaw is yours. To the panel. Do it. A1. Trevor. Oh.

Lauren. Easy. Yeah, he's on my list too. Defining the way the position is played this year. Defining the story of the quarterback this year. Defining a team that is exceeding expectations and a playoff team and a team that is rolling right now and is really clicking in that offense after a little bit of an up and down and consistent start. Really, really fun to watch.

Has great skill guys around him. getting help from a run game, getting help from an offensive line, sure. But Trevor Lawrence is also making things happen. He's not making that one catastrophic decision per game that tanks the game. He's actually, he's lifting the floor of this offense quite well. You know, I said it after one of the best games I've ever seen in play, probably the best game I've ever seen play in his career a couple of weeks ago. Trevor Lawrence, the playoffs are in the distance.

But first up is quarterback freaking island. Welcome, my friend. I would agree. And I tell you, the playoffs? Playoffs. If teams are not afraid of Jacksonville right now, they will be. Yeah. Because they're killing on both sides to the ball. But Clemson Trevor is the reason why. We saw Clemson Trevor early in the season against Denver and Monday night.

And now he has really dialed it up. And this is where James Gladstone, the new GM, by getting Jacoby Myers. Oh, my God, yeah. It almost is like, okay, now Trevor's kind of like, I've got five or six guys you throw the ball to it. I don't have to focus. Brian Thomas Jr. is the one player. We don't talk about them. We don't talk about much because you got Parker, Washington, Travis, CTN, you know, the tight end, Brent Strange.

I mean, is it strange? Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, you got it. But he's spreading the ball out. It's no longer, you've got to, I got to get the ball to this guy or that guy. It is like the world has opened up to Clemson, Trevor. Nine rushing touchdowns, too.

That's what I was going to say. He's not, he's using his legs, too, and not really turning over the ball. I know he had one turn over, one interception this past game, but otherwise, really clean, football. Yeah. Your eyes were lighting up just with him with Steve talking Trevor Lawrence. We've got some big Lawrence fans here. I am leaning.

Well, I famously, I have not always been a Trevor. And I'm leaning, yes, but I do just want to make sort of the point that if he's on, it's just for the last five weeks because he wasn't, he would be below average for the first chunk of the season. So it is recognizing, I think, that you can be so hot late in the season. and he is playing as well as any quarterback in football that it's so exceptional that you just have to put him on because numbers-wise, this was kind of surprising to me.

So I went through five numbers just to have sort of a blanket of like, okay, just what's their profile statistically? A charcutory board. Yeah, and season long, and this is QBR, it's EPA play, it's success rate, it's completion percentage over-expected, and then it's PFF. PFF, which is more subjective. That's the only spot where he's even in the top 10.

They have him 10th on a play-to-play basis. It's just pure numbers. The other ones are 19th, 17th, 14th, and then 28th in completion percentage over-expected because he's not always that accurate. He is an average quarterback if you take the whole season and bucket his stats. That also is not really, you know, including rushing, which is a big factor for him. But it's just something to point out that he is a really unique case if we're putting him on. Yes, and I think that's all fair to point out.

And it also is fair to say that when you turn off. on his tape, and you see some of the throws that he has made, including some of the out-of-structure play-extending throws, and when you also do see him use his legs and factor that into the equation, which we have done so for other quarterbacks who have been on the quarterback. Oh, yeah, you have to. QBR, by the way, does. I misspoke there. I would say, like, the highs of this stretch that he's on right now completely lift the rest

of the season. I agree. I vote yes. And real quick, one last thing on the Jags, while we're voting. We're all voting, yes. Trevor Lawrence is on QB Island for the first time. There we go. Now, first up, did anybody look more like an island guy than Trevor?

Golden Child, come on. But can we get over the small market thing because they are London's team? London is a large market. Shod Khan, one of his recruits, and this is a conversation I've had with Shod, one of his recruiting elements to players is, come work for us. We can get you on billboards over in London. You can be the American football messy. Oh.

Okay. So you can be all on. Yeah, I don't buy the small market team thing either. But I do love how. I do love how Duval, like Jacksonville fan, embraced Liam Cohen is because he will never miss a moment to be petty. And I mean that as a compliment. Like, he will not miss a moment. And the fan base has been dying for it.

And I love it for them because he's got the one-liners and he just goes for it. And it is, it's awesome. He gives no Fs, Florida man. They've been averaging over 30 points a game since that buy where he really turned things around. And yeah, they've won 12 games. They're one of the stories of the season. He's on.

We only have one spot remaining. Can I come up with my perpetual landmine guy then? Oh, man. Bo Nix. Okay. I'm so glad you brought him up. Bo Nix. Okay, you talk about a guy going on a heater.

He had about a three or four week run where he was killing it. His team is winning. Then he keeps doing this. Oh, my gosh. playing it like crap for two quarters, and then he kills it on the final drive. When we're looking at some of these other people on here, including a guy like Jordan Love was on the fence, do you say, like, Boenix is doing it for a team that's number one seed right now,

and they're winning more so because of him. He's not losing them ball games. Right? Are they winning because of him? Well, they're winning because they're defense. Are they winning with him? And so that to me is like... I would say this, though.

he's making the plays when they have to make him in compliments to the defense that's why I'm saying I don't think we can ignore him he's got the numbers he's got the numbers not just wins and losses he's got the rushes

he does things to put defenses in conflict all over the place you know you're saying to yourself okay he's as good as Josh Allen no not right now but I mean we can't I don't think we can move forward

without having a conversation as to whether he belongs in the final eight Absolutely. And this is what it's going to come down to for me with quarterback Island. Because I wouldn't put Bryce Young on there. We hadn't talked about him yet. Obviously, Philip Rivers, I mean, fun well-lasted. I'm talking about people I haven't passed out yet.

But we haven't mentioned. But no, we're not talking about any of these people. I think we only have one more guy, Caleb Williams, that hasn't been mentioned. That would be a serious discussion. And on that note, just so we can mention, the C.J. Shroud, it'd be a no for all of us, correct? Yes. I mean, he's had his moments, but he just had. And that's what I was about to say.

For me, it comes down to who is on the island between Bo Nix and Caleb Williams. That's what it comes down to. Okay. That's a legit. I love that. To me, Darnold or Love, especially Love, have a stronger case to me than Bo Nix. So my case against Bo Nix. Okay, you say he's got the stats, but he doesn't have the stats. And that's important to me because I did that profile of the, like, all the different metrics.

Bo Nix, 13th in QBR, 16th EPA, 17th success rate, 24th completion percentage over-expected, 17th PFF. And that reflects how I feel watching football every week. If I'm slotting in all the quarterbacks and who's doing exceptional things, who's helping, who's not, he to me is somewhere in that 14 to 17 range. You can't put him on. I think Caleb will be an interesting talk, too. But the difference that Caleb has, I think, at least over Boe, if I'm comparing those two. although putting my cards on the table.

I think love or darnal would be better picks than either one, I think. Caleb has defined the season because of the plays that he's made, because of the wow factor, because of the moments that... Bo's been great, but Bo hasn't had those moments.

And to me, I'm knocking him for the first half of the season, too, where he... He hasn't had those moments. That's when they won the ball games when he was making those moments. Caleb's not completing 60% of his passes. The game against the Giants is like such a...

That's a moment. That's a big moment. Such a moment. It's a big moment. The story. I think he needed to have like a Trevor like run to make up for his first half. And to me he hasn't been at that level. He had like three games where he was 300 plus in a row. He has thrown for a lot of passing yards.

Yeah. I mean, like up until last week he was rolling like about a month. Right. But do you think he like I think that's a good example. The Jacksonville game for instance. Like he throws for over 300 yards in that game. Do you think, like, that's a QB Island performance? That was kind of, to me, a QB Island off.

And Trevor wins that game. I mean, I think they got dominated every phase in that game. I think as a team, but, you know, again, when I look at Caleb, who I love, and I would love to get him on the island. Let's talk about him. But I was saying, based on your arguments of what you're just saying against Bo Nex, and you can't put Caleb in that conversation. If you're using that as to cry.

I'm not, that is not the only one for me, but I think if it's supporting what I'm seeing. I'm using stats. I'm using define the position. Greg's adding a sixth gear. No. I'm saying you got to, he would be a guy to me that would have to make up for in stats what he's lacking in sort of eye test. I think the story of who Caleb Williams has become as the franchise quarterback of that team and the way that he has has continued to thrive in the most unlikely moments is something that dramatically lifts the stat sort of truth to me. I agree with that. Absolutely. I also think that Bo Nix for similarly, you know, same second year quarterback, same kind of thing,

Bo Nix, the way he runs this offense and the way you can tell between play caller quarterback the minute that Sean Payton in game takes the training wheels off and lets him go, When those types of things, when they're on, again, the ceiling is higher than many of the quarterbacks on the island. So that's what I'm kind of stuck on. Caleb Williams' ceiling is making miracles happen. He's insane. Bo Nix's ceiling, but in flashes, right? Making miracles happen in miracle improbability moments.

Bo Nix, his ceiling is games like a couple of weeks ago when, you know, he's throwing for multiple touchdowns and Sean Payton is just letting him cook all. up and down the field to Cortland Sutton. So that's where I'm stuck, truly, between these two. And I know we've tabled it and what I, you know, what I meant to point out earlier, I wanted to point out, yes, I know we've tabled Jordan Love and Sam Donald. But these two second year quarterbacks, they are defining the position.

I would agree with that. I think with Bo Nix, he's just been too up and down for me. It hasn't been as consistent of a rise and as steady of a development as we've seen with Caleb Williams. So for me, that's what puts Caleb over a bonus. You know, it's crazy to sound and it's very surface-based. But Calus is more fun to watch. That too.

I mean, I think that should be part of it. That's why Jordan Love to me gets a bonus. Because to me, he is, he makes the wow throw. I don't find it very amusingly fun to watch. I don't have to find him. He's not the thrill ride for me. Since I did it before. I just saw Steve's dad face for the first.

Like, he was like, not my type. Actually, I'm not very, I'm not very amused by you missing curfew. Yeah, like, I just saw for the first time. That's incredible. That's incredible. I think even that we're like strongly considering Caleb for a top eight spot, which I am too. I am.

I love. Be lies these numbers. But I do want to bring them up because I think that other stuff has to be so exceptional to put this into context. some of this is from the first half. Like Bo Nix, I think he's playing his best down the stretch. But in all those stats, kind of just going through him, 16th QBR, 15th EPA per play, 28th success rate, second to last in completion percentage over expected, which tracks, like he misses throws you expect them to make,

and he makes throws you don't. These guys drop a ton of passes. And then 15th in PFF. So none of, like, there isn't really a great statistical argument for Caleb. It's all the other stuff. Which is significant, which is significant. That's part of quarterback island. I know.

I'm there. But here's the thing. We also still have to talk about Sam and Jordan. Yes, because four guys, one spot. Four guys, one spot. Does anyone want to just go out right now and at least just say, who is your guy out of those four? To put on. To put on right now.

Because I think that's what this season finale. is coming down to, frankly. I'll go first. Because none of us have any questions about the seven guys that are on right now compared to these four, right? I would love to put Caleb Williams on. I think he's rolling right now

in this offense. Something I just said that when you watch the Bears play, you can take all this. Look at how many passes his guys drop. His numbers could be better. His wow factor could be better. Maybe their win total could be better if he had some guys who consistently hung up.

on to the ball. Well, Jaday Walker, if he caught that ball, which he did the game before and was the hero. And also, he had, like, hardly played at all before. Let's be real, though, like, he's just not as accurate as these other quarterbacks. Yes, I wouldn't check. He does have a lot of drops. You know who has the most? Actually, Bo Nix. Yeah. Trevor Lawrence has the most. Bo Nix is second and Caleb is third. So it's these three guys are just talked about. However, weeks 10 through 17. My parameters, Caleb Williams has thrown the fewest interceptions of any quarterback in qualifying. He prevents negative plays better than any of these quarterbacks on the edge in terms of

sack avoidance and interception of all. So it's a nice combo of like flash and not making huge mistakes other than missing gimmies sometimes. Like that he has, like there were a couple throws of that 49ers game that he wants back for all the great throws that he makes. But that's been part of the experience. I do love all of these guys. I think at least two of them, we're talking about qualities that we love in

quarterbacks, too, which is resilience. Caleb Williams, Jordan Love, late game scenarios, Sam Darnold, resilience. I don't know necessarily that. Now, the thing about the Broncos is situationally overall, they've won close games. They've done so by navigating and by his in part, but the collective as a whole, ability to close these games out when they're close. He's got the best line on the... Or set up...

Or set up the game-winning field goal. That great defense hasn't been asked great either. That's fair. He's so close to becoming the Bears' first franchise quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards. I cannot believe that that's never happened. I came into this liking Jordan Love. And if you guys were in on Jordan Love, I would be in on Jordan Love too. Because I do just think he's played the position at a higher level consistently than Caleb Williams.

You guys have kind of convinced me. I just hate the fact that he took a shot and get knocked out with a concussion might be the deciding factor here. But I think in the spirit of what we're talking about, QB Island-wise, of, like, defining the position in that little something extra, the Lanyap. The Lanyap, there you go. That's it. Maybe it is Caleb, unless we have a... No, I'm all about Caleb. So who's coming off?

Okay, so let's vote Caleb Williams. I vote yes. He's on. Okay. Colleen Wolf votes, yes. He is on. I vote yes as well for Caleb Williams. A quarterback, who I believe is among the top players defining the position this season.

Yes. I think we've done it. We have to formally. Wait, do we have to bomb anybody off? I hate that we do this. I hate that this happens, but the governor's council who I report to, who actually funds all of quarterback island, they require that we officially do vote off the two guys. But no, we don't have anything.

Unless I'm crazy. We have eight guys on QB Island, and we have to officially vote no on Sam Darnold. That's painful. Bye, bro. Well, I could still run. That hurts. Oh, yes. I like what you did there.

Colleen is going yes. Okay. I see. I'm so. If it were still 10, if it were still 10, it would even it up. If it were still 10, I put Jordan and then Bo still on. Yeah. I would put Darnold.

I would put Darnold ahead of them. I would put love in Darnold. but let's vote officially on Jordan Love. I vote no. Oh, Jordan Love, no. It's all a no. And that's done it. Wow!

Play the music! I don't know what music. We don't have celebratory music. Wait, just one moment. No way. It's not happening. Simon Collier. Just kidding. Play us out.

No, you don't need to play us out. You had me. Is she going to use the Riptide? I thought she was going to use it on Drake May. No, I'm just kidding. If she's just like, I just love Stafford so much. You know that Jordan was watching that game Monday night and be like, I can't believe this is happening.

I don't know. I think that's the first time I've ever actually made Greg like just a little, just a little questions. That was a good bit. We were like, is I'm a cow? What else? Let's name the official residence of quarterback island season finale, we think, season two.

Josh Allen, congratulations, the consistency over the last two years. You deserve it. Dak Prescott, great job. Justin Herbert, didn't even have to debate you. Still doing it. Drake May and Matthew Stafford, two men who will discuss on many future NFL dailies, I'm sure, in terms of the MVP conversation.

And then voted on to the island today. Congratulations to Brock Purdy, back on the island. Oh, yeah. Started the year there. Yeah. We might have forgotten, but started the year there. Trevor Lawrence's first time on quarterback island. He's going to love the island.

Liam Cohen. is kind of a QB Island Kingmaker right now. He did it for Baker. He did it for Trevor. Whoa. And then another one is Ben Johnson, who helped Jared Gough out, certainly. And now him and Caleb Williams. Wow.

Beautiful. Bears fans, you can't say we're haters anymore. Small market island for Trevor. That is it for today's quarterback island. Thank you to Colleen Wolf, Steve Weish, and Jordan Rodriguez. We will be back on Wednesday with our big preview show. We can't top this, though. We should just quit.

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