NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Rams Camp with Sean McVay, Les Snead, Kevin Dotson and Byron Young

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue are joining by Los Angeles Rams head coach Sean McVay to talk about Aaron Donald 'trying out' for the Rams, the make up of the Rams offense and more! Rams general manager Les Snead, guard Kevin Dotson and linebacker Byron Young also join the show. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got a Super Bowl-winning head coach with us to start the show. I'm Greg Rosenthal with my friend Jordan Rodrigue, and yes, Sean McVeigh, opening the show for us. That's a bad opener, man. We've got to get a better guest. No, no. We want to start big.

And, you know, we got you finally because we hired your old beat writer. Jordan Roder, that's what it says. Greg, if it was coming from you, I have. say no, Jordan will say yes. No, I'm just kidding. That's why we did it. A lot of money, a lot of work just for this moment. Watt, want, Wamp. Matthew Stafford said, you know, just yesterday,

so it's fresh in my mind that the practices have been the highest level of football that he's, you know, been a part of out here. Do you agree with that assessment? Yeah, what I think is, is we've had good quality football through the first two blocks, you know, and that is true. I mean, all you can do is say, hey, where are we at right now?

How do we continue to stack those days? But I think what he understands and what he's referring to is just the quality of football on both sides. Like, hey, if you're going to get something, let's earn it. Let's have, hey, it's tight window throws and catches. It's banging off natural rushes. It's being able to handle pressure, movements, whatever that is. But we know what it looks like as a team when there's high quality reps.

Somebody's going to inevitably have to have success on that down. But if we're earning everything, we're going to feel good about that. And that's what the other day's practice that I think he was probably referring to was reflective of, Greg. And that's what we want to continue to do is really challenge each other and sharpen each other. And we're in the midst of doing that, but man, do we have a long way to go? Well, you guys always put in so much offense. I mean, that's one of the characteristics I noticed over years is that there's so much that gets put in

and then you guys call back to it at times over the course of the season. But I'm a little selfish and I really want to ask you about one thing that you didn't get a chance to install last season. And that's all the 13 personnel that you guys guys were running. We saw step five, right? We saw what happened on the field. We saw the progression manifest in real time, you know, for the first time. Sure.

When you guys were playing games. But what was step one? I mean, in season, what was the pivot? What were those conversations? And where did you start with the stage? What do they say? Desperation is the mother of invention or, you know, it was by necessity. I mean, really, the origin of it was after we lost that Thursday night game against the 49ers,

we were not very good in short-yarded situations. And so you're really saying, what are some ways that we can close edges? We've got capable tight ends. And so really the origin was going into the Baltimore game, some of the different things that they had presented in tight red zone, short yardage or four-minute if you're trying to close out the game. Let's get into some personnel groupings that allow us to have just longer edges to be more efficient and short-yardage.

Well, then you fast forward to that game. Puka goes down in the game. We had some success with a couple of those plays. Kyron Williams walked in on a touchdown. We had a couple runs to kind of close out the game. And then you're saying, all right, well, Puka gets hurt. We've got, our defense did a great job of using all the guys that had a jersey of our 48 on game day. And so you're saying we got these capable tight ends.

We were able to run 30 plus snaps in Jacksonville where, you know, they weren't really preparing for it. So we thought we could kind of catch them off guard. We'll also take advantage of all the guys that we do have with Higbee, with Davis Allen, with Colby Parkinson, with Terrence Ferguson. had success and then it coincided with us having to buy in between that. So now you get some time to be able to say, okay, what can we do from this? How can we build on it? And then the guys did an amazing job of being able to adjust midstream Jordan.

And we can't do that without tight ends. Like that's the thing. Everybody wants to talk about 13. It's the people, you know, like, and I've heard Matthew say this before is it's, you can only do this because of those four players that I mentioned. If you don't have interchangeable tight ends that can be functional in both the run the past can be able to protect, can have some guys that can be move players, but can give you the illusion of complexity, then it doesn't work. And so it's only because of those guys, no different

than the, you know, the first iteration of 11 personnel is because of Cooper Cup and Robert Woods and Cooks or Sammy Watkins. Well, that's kind of my theory all last season was, you know, watching your camp, you guys ask, it doesn't matter if you're the fifth string tight end, you're installing all of that 11, and you have to know it if you're a part of this team. concepts. To get that, I felt like maybe that made the teaching progression of that. I don't want to say easier because it's not when you're in the season, but the language maybe translated a little bit more because 11 and 13,

you're putting bigger bodies out on the field, but you're asking these guys to run those past concepts. 100%. And that's the thing is, you know, we're going to, I think it is good to be able to be a little bit more multiple and have some different things. We had to sort through a lot of issues just by living in 11 personnel. And so then you're getting used to attacking base defensive structures. whether you're talking about the three down, the four down principles,

what are some of the, what's the uptick and all this shell and how that kind of fits in and what you want to be? But what we want to do is take advantage of all the players that we do have. And really, that did change the teaching progression, really on both sides of the football, where we're teaching concepts and it spots on the field so then we can seamlessly plug and play guys in, and then we have to be cognizant of all right, what is the personnel that we're going against, whether that's defense versus offense or offense versus the defense. It was just like a small part of you also in the way back of your mind, thinking like, oh, this is really getting Jordan excited.

That was also talking about it. Not a small part, a big part, great. God, would someone talk about the Rams? They don't get enough attention. I just saying, like, when you put that out there, and for our listeners, and now my son listens to the podcast, so I always want to explain things. The 13 personnel, you know, of course,

with three tight ends on the field. And then now you draft another tight end this year. And it was part of like a run of tight ends that's all happening. And I know you're a student of football history, and you're saying, you know, desperation was the mother-ed invention. And that's happened so many different times in football history where different transitions happen because of a desperate moment and then other teams.

Are you, like, aware of what's going on around the league at this point in terms of them getting more multiple with their tight ends and thinking about the ways that you need to stay ahead of them and continue to evolve what you're doing? 100%. I mean, this league is so humbling. You know, and I think, you know, when you have the tape out there, coaches and players are too good in this league. And so you have to be able to adapt to just and then ultimately act.

But we're trying to solve problems. Fortunately, I do think there's been a lot of humbling learning experiences where you're not naive to think the stuff that you did last year is going to have the same amount of success. But what are those new iterations? Kind of where do you project that defenses are going to try to go to try to counter it? And we think about all those things.

But I think you're really saying, you're still playing 11 on 11. And how can we, you know, get the pen in our hand, whether you're talking from a defense or an offensive lens. Where do you think defenses are going to go with it? I'll tell you after the season. I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. We'll figure it out. But I think what we want to make sure that we do is we give our, I think what we want to make sure is, though, is that we're developing our players to be independent thinkers and problem solvers. You know, I think the most important thing is, is with our teaching progression, there's a play, do they understand the intent? What are the mechanics within their individual, you know, situation or individual position? And then what are the

problems that they might need to solve that can present themselves. That might be protection oriented, might be run oriented. What are the tools that we can activate? Or what's the other play if we're calling two plays in the huddle? And we want to be able to do those things both offensively and defensively. Yeah, just spitball in here. You're the only team maybe with like five real high quality tight-ins. What about a 05 personnel? Pentagon personnel. All at the same time. Oh, so you already got a name for it. There you go. I was a tight end coach in Washington. I was calling for Pentagon personnel. And we never got it. But you got to know. You got to do you got to really dust off the stone

tablet to come back on those ones. I'm just saying like one play just to get all the film dorks really excited. Like you would be leading lots of podcasts. 05's coming to a theater near you. He said it, hey, everyone listening. No, no, we'll see. You run it, you got to run it out here one time with all the people like streaming

it and everything. That's right. For people that are taking the videos. And then break the internet and then all the coaches around the league start panicking about this. And what do we, what do we do? I don't think it'll cause any panic, you know. Well, we saw, you know, Terrence Ferguson really trying to take a step forward. You know, when I've been out here, it's been cool to watch him be so activated across,

not just the passing service, but the run game, too, in some of those like sifts and those motions that you guys like to run too and really kind of taking ownership of it, it seems like. I know it's early days. He's so impressed. Here's the thing. You know, everybody just wants to look at the stats, but what he was able to do last year, Jordan was so instrumental in our success. I mean, he's moving around.

He has to know all of the eligible spots. He knows our X, our Z, our Y, and our F. And he knows it in all of our personnel groupings, because he might. be asked to play all of those positions. And really, our tight end group as a whole, Scooter Huff does an amazing job of teaching them, but he enabled us to operate in a manner that was really unique because of all the versatility that he could provide.

And that's not exclusively reflected in the stats. You know, he's got 11 catches, but he's got a lot more to offer. He did a lot last year, even in the midst of building for us. And so we're excited about his growth. But I think the way that all of our guys attack it, I expect us to get better. You never stay the same. there's a humility and there's a love for this game and there's a mastery and it matters to these guys

and the way that they've approached it you know I feel really fortunate to be a part of this thing and we got to be able to handle adversity when it does come our way but guys like terence ferguson are going to be a big part of what we do and and he does give us the ability to do a lot of different things because of his unique skill set yeah i'm a big ferguson guy yeah i'm a big yeah i need it just just kind of like looking at him yeah he's a start can a guy that big that moves like that not work out that's right i think Kyle Brady is maybe the other tight end that I thought was the most physically impressive NFL player. But like,

Fergit. Fergis in his stuff though. Yeah, but he is good, Greg. He can do a lot of different things and he can be in line. He can be, you know, in the slot outside and he's got great lower half flexibility to be able to do a lot of different things that we would ask. Yeah, that's one thing you mentioned that stood out to you when you were watching his college tape was the fluidity that he moves with, almost like he's you know, kind of artistically sort of swimming out there.

No, I mean, it's honestly, there's some similar mannerisms. Don't let me lose you to Kelsey in terms of, you know, feet are always close to the ground. He's kind of just able to skate. He's got good natural disability to work edges on people. One of the things that I liked the most about him that really wasn't on display last year, he obviously did a great job tracking some big balls down the field, but his run after the catch.

You know, he was catching a lot of checkdowns or, you know, chip flats or whatever with Gabriel and Oregon, and you could see really the rack was one of the elite traits that we liked. And that's going to be, you know, that's always an important factor for any of our skill players and he's no different. Well, I like talking to you about defense because I think you study it as close as anybody and certainly keep up with it with your guys and around the league as well. And I'm kind of curious, you know, you mentioned early at the top of the show that, you know, people forget it's so much about the players.

And obviously you guys have some absolute studs on this team like superstars. But also, what do you think people miss about kind of the way football evolves against itself? And what do you think, you know, everyone's talking about personnel and names and, you know, extra safeties and those types of things. But in all of that conversation, as you sort of track the way the league actually is moving, what do you think maybe we miss when we're thinking about how football's evolving right now? Well, I think if you're just talking about our situation, you know, just from a general observation, it still's the greatest team sport there is. You're going to play 11 as one. You know, we're obviously incredibly excited if you just want to talk about defense to add Trent McDuffie, to add Jalen Watson, to be. be able to add Miles Garrett. Those are three awesome players that have had unbelievable success.

But how do we come together as 11? How do we understand how to utilize Tren and Jalen? How can we play seven as one in the back end? How does Miles end up learning how to be able to rush alongside a Braden Fiske, a Kobe Turner? What does it look like for our naturals to take place where when you're rushing four, you're still two gaps short? And how are we able to kind of cover each other and make sure we keep the integrity of the pocket? Especially when you look at the first five games of the year, every quarterback we play can run and create off schedule. So how do we come together as a team? How do we understand the intent and the mechanics and solving the problems? Like I kind of just mentioned, that's the thing I love about football is it's 11 as one. It's the greatest team sport

that there is. And you have to really be able to understand how to work off of one another, that player adjacent to you, and be able to use the different tools based on what's presented and what situations you're talking about. Your division rivals are on hard knocks. They are. You going to watch it? Oh, yeah. I watched it last night. You did. Did you see the little part where, you know, Mike McDonald and Cooper Cup are going back and bin forth? I bet that happens a lot without the cameras there too. How did that make you feel? Great.

I loved it. No, listen, here's what I would tell you. Cooper is incredibly sharp. He has an intimate knowledge of what we did for a while. Mike says, you know, I have as much respect for Mike as anybody. And if the situations were reversed, I'd do the same. You know, I'd be asking guys about their system or vice versa. And so, hey, chasing edges, right?

Why wouldn't you? There you go. I get it. But they're awesome. I mean, they're the reigning Super Bowl champs. They did their thing. And so they're the champs for a reason. Right.

I couldn't help but know it. Like right before we started, I hope you're even aware of this. Like the NFL transaction wire had Aaron Donald working out with the Rams today, which I guess... Did it come across as a tryout? It did come across as a tryout that we've ever had. Okay.

You think he could make the team? Phenomenal. I think you could make the team. The kids got a shot. Yeah. That was honestly our way of being. being able to get a workout with him within the, you know, parameters of what's necessary. But Giff Smith said it's the greatest tryout he's ever had.

Great football coach. I don't know if Sean would be the best poker player in the world. I'd be terrible about Aaron Donald. Yeah. You know what? I've never claimed to be a good poker player either. You've got plenty to do here. Appreciate the time.

Thanks for having me, Greg. Thanks for coming on. Thank you to Sean McVeigh. That was awesome. You know? They just send little NFL Daily out here. and suddenly we got ESPN requesting video. Take that NFL network.

No, I don't want to get in any trouble. That's a fine. We're just, you know, we're just a little NFL daily NFL media these days. But very cool how open he was. I like the half of a second, very serious look in his eye when I brought up the Cooper Cup Mike McDonald clip on Hard Knocks. For one second there, the mask kind of came off. And it was just like, yeah, that was annoying.

Well, you said it yourself. You said it yourself, he doesn't really have a poker face, right? So that's what's fun about it, is how competitive it really is. I know everybody, everybody, this is the fun time of year, this is the happy time of year, but these guys are breaking camp at LMU and going out to Woodland Hills to really install some of their secret stuff away from crowds and eyes like ours. And so now this is when things really, really start to ramp up. So I bet a little bit of that was creeping in, too. Yeah, we're here at Loyola, Mary Mountain University.

to mention it's got to be one of the most relaxed training camp atmospheres there are in the entire NFL with like the ocean breeze coming in it's a great setup and they finish here on Thursday the day after we're taping here and you're right go to their team facility they have to let their team reporters watch for a little bit but for for them this fan portion of training camp is over and what we saw on the field today you know it wasn't a Matthew Stafford day it was it was not a great day for the offense. We're going to talk to Kevin Dotson in just a few minutes after the break and

Byron Young of that defense and less need. And it is interesting to me that Stetson Bennett is taking all the reps with the first team. You know, it was like a little surprising to me that Ty Simpson isn't getting in the mix at all like with. That's a yet. That's a yet to me. And I think to really one of the most important things with this team is not quarterback divestine. development right now. It is how do we make sure that our floor is higher when if if something happens to Matthew Stafford, can we make sure that this guy is going to be our backup quarterback? That's my sense on it. For Stetson. Can we make sure that this guy is going to be our backup quarterback? And I think right when they drafted Ty, it was really interesting. I know we talked about it. Some of the chatter that

was coming out about him being a developmental guy, a developmental prospect. I know you really think your number 13 overall pick should be competing right away in training camp. I think logic would always tell us that. But the way that they said it right away when they picked him really made me think, hey, they're going to try to figure out if they have a backup in Stetson, who they drafted him for. So see if Stetson can do the job that they drafted him for. Kind of go from there. But yes, it is notable.

Stetson Bennett is working with the, I guess we call it the first team here, but the second team when Matthew Stafford is here. Right. And look, if he has a ton of days like today, they might be thinking about, Jimmy Garapolo. Like the offense, I know it's dangerous to take a snapshot

of one day, and there haven't been that many reports about the offense struggling as bad. It was virtually non-functional. Sets and Bennett could run the offense, and like the amount of catches

that people not named Pooka and Akua made were, you know, very low. It was pretty much Puka or nothing, but the offense was running. Ty Simpson also threw a, you know, there were interceptions a plenty,

balls in the coverage, him holding onto the ball, dumping it off. It was a day. with Sean McVeigh right behind him, that, you know, I have a feeling frustrated Sean McVeigh very much. Like, whether we think it's important or not.

I think it's important. I do think it's important. And I was also thinking right about in the middle of practice. I'm so glad that we got Sean McVeigh on our show before this practice and not after this practice. I was too, because it's one of those learning moments for a rookie quarterback, especially Simpson,

just looked like they were throwing a lot at them defensively. And the defense was absolutely. dominating. He was swimming on this particular day. But it happens. I'll never forget, you know, overreacting to Aaron Rogers, like, just absolutely struggling day after day in his rookie training camp and their fourth quarterback, Craig

Knaul, outplaying him like day after day. Craig Knoll. People panicking. And one of them, you know, became Aaron Rogers, you know, so. And all that means. But yeah, I don't know. There is a part of me that's like, and he looks, they look a little small back there at quarterback and they were struggling. If they have a lot of days like this, maybe you give old Jimmy G a call.

But that's for later in this month. And ultimately, we know, like, this is a championship contending team if Matthew Stafford is at quarterback and they won't be if not. And, man, there is like a special feeling about this team at this point in time as Miles Garrett shirtless walks by and greeted the family. I really, really wanted a picture of you either standing next to Miles Garrett or you standing next to Kevin Dotson just for scale? I'm a small man. No, I'd rather be standing,

and we have sent them out next to Sean McVeigh and you. You know, it's totally fine. That's where I'm good. Dang it. Let's take a break. Let's, you know, listen to the commercials, make a little money. And then when we come back from the break, we are going to hear, in order, from Kevin Dotson,

great personality, you know, great run blocking guard for the Rams. Byron Young was entering a contract year. one of the more underrated pass rushers in the league. And then we are going to wrap up the show with less need. And I do it at the end of the show, but I always just like to throw a little bit of a reminder out there for people when we're going to go live on YouTube. So we might actually do that at the beginning of the Hall of Fame game.

Ooh, news to me. If we can. And just set your notifications. If you follow us there, we'll go live. We can watch the game a little bit, do some news, play a fun game. And yes, Jordan is holding the flash card that, Les Need wrote some strange notes during the interview that you'll see later. You'll see it later.

We'll share it out. It's also not written in linear. Yeah. It's all over the place, which I guess we could have expected. Yes, that's Leslie in the nutshell. Back in a few minutes. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it.

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And he's made it a tradition here for training camera. Maybe it's all year round. I don't know. with the horns in it, just how you're existing in life right now? You know, it's just kind of my commitment to the team. Yeah, I just let it grow out. And then once it's done, I'll decide if I'll do it in about a week. I did it last year.

So, you know, I'll make that decision when it comes. You got the blue going this year, though, which I like. You know, you saw the team came out with their throwbacks. I actually did it before the team. Oh. But the team, I wanted to do the old school, you know, little light, and then they came out with it like, hey, this is perfect. Yeah, you kind of called your shot there.

I feel like you kind of done that since you got here, though, just on the field, too. I mean, the second they acquired you from the Steelers a couple years ago, you were like, I'm coming in hot for this position here. You know, I've always put it on my mind that if I'm on a team, I have to start. I have to play. I don't know what type of teammate I am if I'm not contributing to the team.

Well, you've been the Iron Man, too, in the past. I mean, it's very cool. You know, your arrival a couple of years ago signified a shift to more physicality up front, you know, going from that wide and middle zone and a lot of duo and gap stuff now, which we know Kyron loves to run behind you guys. That's been really a staple here for a couple of years. Can you tell us a little bit more about being inside that room and being a part of that really significant change into how,

tough this team wanted to be up front. You know, I always try to, you know, know, know what my personal goals are. And knowing what kind of person I am, you'll kind of do that introspection of yourself of like, what do I do best? What do I want to be known for? And I've always wanted to be known for a run blocking

offensive lineman. And it's been my M.O. since high school. Good to play guard then. I've always wanted to play guard always. So I've always wanted to block down. I always wanted to one-on-one somebody like this has always been my thing. So when I came here, it was like I have to show them that I can pass block, but when we run, when we run, I want to be the difference maker.

So when I came in, I knew my first game I had to show what I could do. And then I feel like they kind of understood that this right side, we're going to have some good runs on this right side. And I feel like everybody just, they already had it in them, But you just, they just got to see somebody else doing it, or we got to change the plays. And it's just, they're all locked in on running the ball. We know if we can run the ball, we can do anything on this game. So once the run game is going, everything's open.

And since you have nine back there, if you got to worry about the run and the paths, it's scary. And last year, you had it going. Some of the numbers are crazy. If you look at the efficiency numbers, like success rate, EPA per play, like it was one of the most effective running games, not just in the league. you were the most effective of the last handful of years. And yet, Sean, and you got the MVP, is so pass-heavy. Do you ever, like, get in his ear that, hey, we got the most efficient running game.

And yet we're still not running the ball that much, like, you know, on a percentage basis compared. You ever ask him about that? We've had some talks on the sidelines during games. You know, sometimes you could just, coach, hey, we get a little fancy. Well, let's just let's just. Let's go, you know, let's go head on and see how they really feel when they get pushed in the mouth. How does that go? I mean, he usually listens.

He usually says, all, you know what, let's try it your way at least. And then we tried and he like, well, I mean, I guess you were right. Or he gets mad and calls a screen to your side. Hey, I'm going to do whatever you say. I'm just throwing suggestions. I love it. It's cool to watch, you know, you have a new right tackle. I know not new to you.

You know Warren very well. Right tackle. There's a young guy wearing your old. teammates number 79 out there. I noticed he's doing some really good stuff as camp starts with the twos. But Warren, I wanted to talk to you a little bit more about because I know it's been a big point of pride for you to help instill that confidence in him. He already is a very centered person. But I know for your communication and your sort of belief in him has helped him too. What about that did you sort of take on yourself to just make sure he felt, you know, hey, you're not coming in or

replacing anybody you are you and being on this right side now after like a real legend he retires exactly as you say never treating them as in like oh he's my is the backup coming in he's i'm always thinking whoever they put in i can trust anybody they put in on this right side i'll trust and him coming from a pedigree of georgia they're they're used to winning they're used to going against big competition so he was always he's always been you know confident so he never He never came in there and be like, oh, I'm going to get somebody big. He's used to that. Hey, somebody gets this man away from my scooter.

Oh, who got. Jalen Watson's over here trying to steal a scooter here. Yeah, you got a lot of attention with this scooter. You're, you know, a big man on a scooter. What's the strategy there? Just taking a little steps off, you know. Okay. After practice, I'm not trying to walk out right there.

Okay. Got it. Got it. Good shocks on that thing, probably. It's only supposed to carry like 240. but it does the job. How is it going against this defensive line and practice today? You guys were getting after it and in the running game.

As you're doing it, it could be frustrating, but in the end it's a blessing because you're going against the best you can and you're doing that every day. And so you start going into the game and stuff just way easier. I know it was a rest day for him, but are you happy that usually Miles Garrett is not lined up on your side? man I've started to get to where it's just like I'm going to have to do it anyway so if he's on my side I just get the job done do what you can do and and uh you know we have focus on him so it's not

I'm not going one-on-one with him so it's mostly worn a slow him down so okay so somebody could come out there and try to help somebody you know try to chip him or something but he's definitely uh he has that old on the field when he's out there. It's like, even if you're not looking to this side, you can feel this pressure over here. So it's definitely a difference. You know, we talked a lot with Sean McVeigh earlier today

and a little with less neat as well about the heavier personnel that you guys are using. I know everybody's been talking about this for a few months now. We are obsessed with it on our show. We've been calling for it for years, and now you guys got like a million really good tight ends, right? And you can do it. What does that do, though?

I mean, you can run or pass out of it, we know. But for you who does, you do love that extra physical edge. You do love knowing even if it's a pass. It's going to be, you know, very, very large person coming right at you for the yards after the catch play. What is that for you guys as a group? It just helps overall play, overall being able to help each other in the run. So it's like the more people we have out there, the more double teams we can get, the more physical we can be because people can't focus on one person.

They can't focus on one tight end like some teams do. Some teams will put a defensive tackle out there to, you know, just to try to disrupt the tight end. Now we got two of them on them. So it's like they don't get that advantage. We get the advantage of having more bigs and the possibility of the past so they can't play as aggressive where they put 10 in the box type, you know, deal. So they're still scared of the past. You can't be scared of a pass and do the run. So it's a blessing for us.

Do you like, though, that, I mean, some of the motions, This is on tape, so I don't feel like I'm revealing state secrets here. But some of the motions that the tight ends run, especially like the inside alignment guy, and he'll sort of act like he's motioning across. And then he'll just dive bomb like the middle gaps, right? When you guys are, we run or pass. And yet you'll still have another tight end out there as that math mismatch.

So as the lineman, first of all, what's the communication like when someone else is coming into a gap that normally you would occupy? And then what is that like knowing also, hey, we're going to have sort of these numbers on our side and another big body going down the field. It's really just, you know, another layer of security. When you know somebody's going through that gap, you can go a little harder in this way, knowing that you have protection on the backside if they do move.

So it's just another way to get us moving more confidently. The more confident, the less hesitation you have, the better you play. You take it personal a little bit that people looking for weaknesses in this Rams team and like the best thing come up with like, the offensive line, like, is that the strength of this team? I don't think anybody said that. He goes, who is people? I don't think anybody said the office line.

How have you seen this group kind of come together in your time there as like a centerpiece of the team? I think offensive line is always going to be a focal point of any offense. I don't believe anybody can get any accolades if the office line isn't good. You don't get an MVP. You don't get offensive players. of the years. You know, you don't get all these wide receivers doing doing all these great things, 20 touchdowns and stuff like that if you don't have good blocking. I feel like our whole offensive line finished within the top 10 of every position. So it's kind of crazy that nobody

got a Pro Bowl. That's sort of, I don't understand. We have one of the most explosive offenses. That's sort of what I'm getting at is for whatever reason. The name value isn't as much there. But we're going to do our best. Kevin Dotson, one of the best. run blocking, guards, offensive linemen players in the entire NFL. And, yeah, one of the best haircuts coming in here. And a painter, right? Doing it in style. Yeah, you paint too.

Love that. Try not to make it a job, but, you know, I'm really loving it. Still got time on the field for the Rams. That's it for Kevin, but we are going to welcome in his teammate, Byron Young, next. We are here with Byron Young, the fourth year edge rusher for the Los Angeles Rams. wearing the black on black ram's hat, which I don't think, I feel like isn't worn enough. That's like, that's sneaky nice. No, for sure.

I feel like that's kind of cool. I feel a little bad that I'm wearing my, just, you know, my typical, everyone in the airport has one of these, right? I feel like I'm smooth. Back on black. Yeah, I got to level up. Byron, we're so thrilled to have you with us today because, man, what if, I mean, how's the year been?

It's not like, not like anything's happened, right? Yeah. How's everything going out there? And how are you kind of getting used to new teammates? transition, you know, with Jared going, and has everything been sort of in that assimilation process for you? Oh, I've been busy. You know, they're busy, stressful, complicated, but we're still going.

You know, been blessed, honestly. My rehab been going great. Finally getting to get going, feeling like myself again, you know, I'm limited a little bit, but when I go, I'm going for a go. So, you know, I'm thankful for that, you know, verse going. You know, he ended up getting traded for miles. You know, that's unfortunate that, you know, he had a, the point. part that way, but at the same time, you know, it's a blessing to have Miles and, you know,

a great pass rush like that to pick, you know, pick his brain and been playing for so long, you know, so, you know, it was a blessing to, you know, be in the room with him right now and, you know, every day I learn from him. So, you know, it was some ups and down, but, you know, we still going. We still going. We're doing good, so. I'm kind of curious, you know, when you, when someone like that comes in, like Miles's caliber of player, and obviously he rushes a certain way, right? I mean, just, I mean, even just standing there, they might. out of space he takes up and the alignments and the way he likes to feel space and kind of learn you as well and your habits and the way you like to rush. A lot of it's a nonverbal

process. I understand that when you're in the snap itself. But what's the, what's the communication between snaps? Like how do you guys talk to each other through kind of like, here's what I like to do and then I'll feel you kind of come around here? How do you guys like to plan that out with each other? These are like during the player before. Yeah, during the play. Yeah, yeah. We kind of communicate before to play. You know, just talk through the snap and just what we see sometimes. Sometimes we probably don't have that much of time,

but we already, we're already going to do that in a meeting room. Like, depending on if it's a chipper, like the other day, you know, he asked me, how do I take on chipper blogs? And I'm just giving him my different ways, and he got hit different ways, just picking my brain too.

So us kind of learning off each other, but when we, you know, before the snap, we always say something to each other, you know, it was like two men, and he was like, it's me than you, then you. you're like getting a sack so you know just us kind of being on the same page with rushes you know um i'm kind of already known kind of rush you're going to do just because he's probably most likely

we're going to get a slide so um so i know what what he's going to do more than likely so um you know i try to play smart too and we try to play off each other but what do you think has been the key to your development now you we did a rankings you wouldn't know about this this this offseason and you were part you know i watched some byron young tape and you're in our like top 25 ed rushers And I think you're kind of a ball knowers, you know, guy. Yeah, those who know, no. Those who don't know, like, and you've gotten steadily better, but, you know, not a name that, like,

maybe the average fan knew about a couple years ago. What have you done to your game that you think has brought you to this level, like over the last three years? What's different about year four, Byron, compared to when you were a rookie? Honestly, I just think my mindset of understanding that I'm going to have up and downs. I'm going to feel. I'm going to have plays a day as I do.

don't like. I'm not going to feel the best all the time, but I got to keep going. You know, life ain't perfect and football, not perfect uses. So at the same time, just taking out approach and growing like that. I learned that from AD, my rookie year. He was telling me, he told me it's okay to make a mistake, you know, just make up for that, you know, and just had the mindset I want to get better. But over the years, you know, I would just find out different things to do workouts, Pilates, Scratch Lab, just all those different things I just kind to put into my recovery, workout, whatever it is, and just trust in the process, you know, because at the same time, it's like, you got to understand like, this is football. You know,

it's a sport where you're going to get beat up all the time, regardless of you're playing all the time, but you got to practice, you got to go through all of that. So, you know, it's just, I think over the year, just looking back and just really studying myself and understanding, like, okay, I want to get better at this. I want to get better at that. But just taking one thing at a time and not trying to do everything at the same time, but just take that one thing and try to get better at that. That's why I do every day when I step on the field, just just take that one thing, whether it's getting off the ball, whether it's just using my hands better, getting off block faster.

I'm going to take that one thing today. I'm going to work on that. So I think over the years just persistently doing that, just made me who I am right now. You know, I covered you when you first came in. You know, I was a beat writer here, and you have grown so much. And I think people who are fans of this team who know and who know of your play

have as you've grown into, you know, more of your adulthood, also your rush has just kind of blossomed. in that way too. And I feel like you rush with a lot of personality. Like, I feel like people can know who you are and what you're about by watching how you rush the quarterback. Am I on the right track with that? And what do you think they're thinking or feeling when they see you and kind of express yourself that way? You know, kind of like what you say, you know, you could tell, like, type of rush I am and, you know, how I'm going to rush probably, you know, going against different tackles and stuff like that. I try to give them different looks. I do feel like I sometimes display the same thing. But that's where I was,

I feel like I was growing and learning that. It's kind of doing a different rush and giving them different looks. But yeah, you know, the type of rush I am, you know, kind of, you know, I love the way I rush. I think I grew over the years. And, you know, it's amazing that, you know, we still here doing interviews together. I know. How crazy is that? You know, growing.

Man, you're not as old as me, though. Do not even get started. No, I mean, it's a blessed to even be older, though. You know, a lot of people can't say that. And then where you was and where you're at now, I heard you got promoted. So, congratulations. Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. It's, you know, it's been an amazing journey, and we, you know, still growing and still trying to be better, a better rusher. I want to be a household name. I'm going to be a name that, you know, when people, you know, bring her the rounds, it be like, you know, with the rush.

Miles Garrett and Brian Young, Kobe Turner, all of us, and Braden Fis, all of us in the rush collectively. So I want to be better, like, that for my team and, you know, just be someone that they have to look out for a tour. So what is that personality, then, if they're seeing it? What is it? I'd say, like a demon. Okay.

Honestly, like, you know, right now, I just feel like, I'm just feel like, I'm. I'm just not hearing my peek and just now getting to where I want to get to, but I'm not satisfied. You know, I definitely think, you know, last year was a great, you know, a great step in the right direction. But this year I want to take a, you know, a big step, you know, kind of like a Miles Garrett getoff step. So I'm trying to take a huge lead, you know, trying to get like that. So it's cool because, I mean, I assume you will have more opportunities. For sure. I mean, they're going to send everybody plus the kitchen sink at Miles Garrett to try to stop him, right?

And then you're like, hello, nobody around me. I hope anyway. Or you get a lot of one-on-ones. in reality. Hopefully that's the plan, you know, just try to take advantage of my opportunities. I was just telling them the other day with Eradano, my rookie, I didn't understand the offs I had and him getting a slot and what that does for me. But, you know, like I said, you know, I'm growing, going into my fourth year. I understand like the one-on-ones and not getting a chip, not getting that guard coming back all the time or the center. So it's like,

trying to take advantage of those opportunities, you know, every chance I get. I looked at your schedule and it's hard not to notice those Seahawks games at the very end of the year, which is kind of similar to last year where you played twice at the end of the year. Not to bring up bad memories, but I do like thinking about the matchup specifically and just hearing from guys who are technicians like yourself, what about the matchup against those two tackles, specifically Abe Lucas, you know, Charles Cross, who you're matching up against, you know, in those games. Like, what's the scouting report a little bit on them?

Like, what kind of problems they give you? What kind of problems do you give them? Mm-hmm. You know, the scouting report, we just knew. what type of tackles they was. Those two good tackles, so we know we had to come back to them certain ways. They sometimes do have the tip right there, but at the same time, they're good at just jump saying you, trying to take away your speed.

So, you know, you got to kind of play off that, trying to get some quick wins in there. But, you know, those two guys do a really good job with kind of handling power a little bit. So at the same time, like, you probably get them a good few times with power, but then they'll come back and kind of, like, you know, get you back. You've got to have a good disengage with both of those guys because they're really good with they had. So, you know, just fan of those two guys and competing, it's been, you know, just being great good on good. You have two

really, really great corners behind you now. And, I mean, not to compare to anybody else, but Trent and Jalen coming in. I mean, you can see they, first of all, they understand each other really, really well. They understand space. They're aggressive, they're confident. They play. I mean, like, it's true. They've been playing

football at a really, really high level for years. Do you feel the, I know it's, you guys have just gotten into pads. It's still, what, week two of camp, all that. I understand that. But do you feel the pace picking up a little bit? Like, if you can get to the quarterback faster, you just know that they're coming down tighter,

that they're covering aggressively in the way where maybe you know that that complimentary feeling is there, and it feels like you guys are truly setting each other up? No, 100%. You know, I was just talking to those guys and already watching them play, it's amazing. Like, even, like, playing against a guy like Matthew Stafford that those he could make,

and just the players, the cornerbacks making both of those guys, it's insane because like regardless how good you're covering that guy, Matthew, you know how to put it on a spot. So for them to play good coverage with Matthew throwing a ball, it's like it's insane, you know, and sometimes the part don't go their way, but they're always in the area. And that's the best you could do in that situation. So, you know, having a conversation with them kind of playing hand-in-hand, like we work off them, they work off us.

So like if we don't get to the rush, that mean they're going to be in coverage all day. If they don't get, have good coverage or leverage, you know, they're going to have a quick pass. So it's like, you know, it goes hand-in-hand. So we kind of work off each other and communicate like, that. So when I'm rushing, I kind of think about the DVs and coverage. I'm like, you know, I got to the quarterback. You know, regardless of I don't sack them, I got to make them uncomfortable. I got forced to make a bad play. So, you know, like you said, go hand-to-hand, just try to make each other

better and just working off each other. Do you kind of ever have to warn new teammates on defense? Like, hey, yeah, nine, like, I mean, he's going to get you a lot. You know, like, with that's just who he is? You know, Jaylen, I just seen a post up day. Jalen was like, he'd never seen nobody throw the ball, like, how nine throwing it. It's just like, I think we didn't had to tell him that, like, honestly, but it was already, like, from day one, it was like, you know, Matthew sit right in front of me. I'm just in her like, bro. I'm just getting here in front of me. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, it was, it was one he threw the pook of the other day. He just, like, it's no place he could have put it butt right there. I was in coverage

with the boot on Kobe, and I'm on him. I got the hand right here at his head. He threw the ball right there. I'm like, it's nothing. Like, it's like, you know, sometimes you guys say, you know, I took my hat to you. That's the best you can do it. Just go ahead and do the next play, you know, live to us another down. Does he ever say anything after he throws one like that? You don't say anything, right? That's the thing.

That's the thing. Like, I never, now that you said, I never heard him talking to feel. Like, I never heard him say a word. He just so, like, he's,

he's a stud, man. Like, he's, like, I've never seen nobody play like him. He's a dog, and he has that mentality. Like, he's trying to get better with us, and he's definitely making us better about going against, we're going against the best quarterback in the league right now.

So that's, that's amazing. The quiet assassin. You've, since you've entered the league, you and Jordan, you know, she's been covering you for three years. Probably. You've advanced a little bit closer to that Super Bowl. Like it's like very linear progress.

Does this year with everything around it feel like a little different? Honestly, for me, I always have the mindset of going to get there. Like I'm not going to say it feel a little different. It feels a little different because we're going to year or four. But just I feel like a growth mindset, you know, always feeling like we could get to the bowl. Like last year, I feel like we could have get there. The year before that, you know, I never think that, okay, this year we're going to, you know, like last year not saying like, you know, oh, we're going to get to the conference championship. Okay, now this year we're going to get to the Super Bowl.

No, it's more like every year we're trying to get to the Super Bowl and we have the mindset. So, you know, this year, I'm very excited. We got, you know, new guys, got some new faces and we're working good with each other. So I'm looking forward to it. Appreciate you and all your time. Very generous with it. Byron Young, fourth year, edge for the Los Angeles Rams, making that number zero look. Cool.

I appreciate that. Coming for that contract. That's right. Need it. Everything going to play it so far. Can't wait. Rapping up the show with Les Sneed, who's making me nervous. He requested a card and a pen, and he's writing notes as I'm introducing you.

What did you just write? Oh, I just noticed we got a lot of ink. Oh, yeah. But your font's very similar. You see that one? You know what I mean? This one here. Typewriter font.

Oh, work works. Okay. I mean, it's kind of... I like the look. I like the look. Oh, yeah. What does your say? Usually, this one says heed the call.

I got another various animals and stuff. Yeah. This is more of a, this is a California cutie. You know, we try not to put that too much on camera. NFL. Speak for yourself. I'm blazing a trail. Okay.

Less need is here. A day of stars, as we mentioned, like Clayton Kershaw's in the mix. A lot of stars. There's a baton cage right there. We ought to go see if any of. can make contact. Anyone audience on the field, on the sidelines. If there is someone...

$10,000 if you can even just do a foul ball. If there's someone in this group who you think could have a shot, who is it? Do you have any ex-baseball players on the team? Our producer, Eric, is already pointing himself. He's like, I could foul it off. Fowling off. All right, Eric, you're the baseball. I'm going with Eric.

Anybody that is that confident, borrowing stock? Oh, man, what it would be like to have that kind of confidence? I was going to say, do you feel as the GM of the Los Angeles Rams now and like Dodgers, it's all stars, Lakers, you know, are the Lakers? You know, you feel a little pressure almost like we got to deliver. Know your ecosystem, know how to thrive in it, right? Here's what I do know. I don't know a lot about baseball.

Yeah. But the other morning I woke up to the trade the Dodgers made. And my first thought was, I really don't know who this is, I bet he's good. Like, I just bet he's, like, one of the best. So I don't follow baseball knowing the names. But I just automatically assume, well, I bet this guy's really good. It's not like you just go trade for a middle reliever.

Hashtag analysis. You nailed it. Well, it's kind of a metaphor if you think about it. It's a great reputation then. It's not like you guys just went out and traded for a middle reliever either, you know? It's kind of a metaphor. Yeah? A closer.

And honestly, it really got me thinking about, like, kind of your trajectory as a GM, you're now one of the longest tenured jams in the league, not to age you, maybe a little to age you. And I wondered when you decided or when you discovered that, like, you were going to be this kind of general manager. You guys pivot a lot. You're aggressive. You take risks.

You embrace risks. When did you kind of in your career, did you think, okay, I already know this maybe is who I am as a person. Now I'm going to really just try to send it as this. I think when you get in the chair, you're helping, you know, build a team. The whole goal is to build. You want to build, do you want to have the breakthrough year? Always go breakthrough.

That's that Cinderella season. And then after that, I call it your real, the real stuff starts. And like everyone can have a hit, but can you come back and do it again consistent? So I think once we showed we could do that, there's efficacy. to have efficacy, you've got to have evidence. And then I think that's kind of that moment when you go, okay, we're contending, is there anything we can do to, right, maybe go from good to grade?

I've always used the metaphor. If you, let's just say you're a pro golfer, you've been in it a while, you find yourself in the mix on Sunday at Augusta, and you're hitting the ball well, right? Unless, let's just act like I'm the caddy. Golfer your cadding is hitting the ball. striking it, you get past Amen Corner. It's a tight race you're within striking distance, but there's evidence that, you know what, today we're striking it well. We probably all dream

of that green jacket. Why don't we go for it today? So there's an element of risk. Maybe that par five we're going to try to land it in two, make the eagle. There's risk in that, but there's an element of also, it's calculated because there's evidence that right, you're striking the ball well, this might be the time to make that move, to take that shot. And then you see what happens. And is it a timing thing because thinking about, you said breakthrough year.

To me, I guess, your breakthrough year, because you were the GM before Sean came in. It was probably Sean's first year. That's like the first like dream year. Like you guys did way better than expected. You obviously get the championship. But then in this build, which our friend Jordan likes to call

Sprint Rebuild back in the day. You know, Sprint Rebuild. It's been a... I can say this, I've been trying to tell her that was a retool. What was a remodel? He refuses to use the word rebuild. I mean, we had Matthew Stafford. You can't rebuild. That's the sprint part. But she refuses to go remodel.

She's going to always keep rebuild in there. Stubbornness right here. It's good for the branding. And so as this version, kind of like the 2.0 Stafford version, you know, you get a little closer each year. You've gotten a little closer to the end. Is that part of the timing

of taking these? swings this off season? Because when we talked to you at this very set a year ago, you know, you had two first round picks coming up. You used them in surprising ways, both of them. But now, now you're using picks back to how you used to you. Yeah, I think interestingly, to start the offseason, what we really wanted to do is, let's call it, we wanted to weaponize our corner room, right? Bring some reinforcements in, improve that room. So that's what we did with the 29th picked. and we end signing Jalen as teammate. We could have stopped there and probably had a successful offseason

in terms of making a couple moves to solidify our top priority. Then as the offseason went on, I call it that opportunity for Miles presented itself, and that's when we, a lot of times in the league, you get an opportunity you're going to take advantage of her or not. So that's what we did. On Jalen and Trent, when I'm out here at practice and there's been a couple really great practices.

When I watched them from the back of the end zone, sort of that All-22 look on the defense, they move so well together. They have this understanding of where each other is, even as far away on the field as they might be. And it kind of brought me back to when you guys were scouting Jared Verst and Braden Fiske, and obviously Jared is in Cleveland now,

but you were looking at sort of that chemistry element to sort of fast track some of the innate things that have to happen for players. I know they're really great football players, veterans already. But was there any sort of, hey, they already know how to play together? You know what? I think that's beneficial how that compounds over the season. Tom will tell. But it was coincident.

I mean, it was coincidental that we signed both. And let's just say if we couldn't have traded for Trent, we might have just signed Jalen without Trent. but it worked out this way. So it is going to be interesting to see how, right, their chemistry, their time together, right, those energy vibes that they have, how it does compound as they go through,

because they're both learning something new as well. When I think about this team build too now, it's so tight-end heavy. We talked a lot about, you know, the schematics of the tight ends with Sean, but I'm curious, did you go into this draft thinking, you know, you take Max Clare at a tight-end in the second round, Did you go in thinking that that was a position you could wind up taking pretty high in this draft,

despite what most people from the outside looking in would be like they have a lot of depth there at that position? Yeah, we were intentional about coming away with a tight end that we felt like we could draft. And if he had to play this year, he could. So I'll walk it through 13 personnel. You're going to have four up on game day. Yep. So we needed a fifth that would be someone that you felt like was a contributor, right? It could be a three if he had to be a three, right?

So we drafted him to be that fifth. And then what happens on game day, if you don't have four up, and then you have only three up and one goes down. And let's just say 50% of the game plan is 13. You just lost 50% of that week's game plan. So that happened a little bit last year as we were run, because that's a lot of players at one position. Right.

Is you showing what your priority is on some level? No doubt. So we knew whether it was going to be second round, but we knew somewhere along the way. Probably one of our second or third round picks, because we only had the six after that, so you're probably rolling the dice. If you go, we'll get a contributing tied in in the six.

The ripple effect of that, to me, we're still seeing not just locally, but around the league, like what that ripple effect will be. internally here, I'm realizing that this is really the first time that your defense has had a chance to truly rep against this many of that type of look, but also mixing in 11 and 12 and all of those things. In season last year, when you guys are pivoting to this personnel, defense is still practicing in scout looks, getting ready for the game. So are you watching, are you noticing a difference or more of like even a spatial or personnel awareness? This defense getting this many reps, they're going to. get looks like this all year as people start to try to.

Yeah, because it's definitely the gaps, the spacing gets a little bit, the geometry is a little bit, let's call it wider. So that does, it could possibly, let's call it widen some of the running lane. And here's what's going to happen. You know, all teams are not going to want to get run on in 13 personnel. So they're going, they've probably spent the offseason, right, coming up with an iteration to try to, let's call it, cut some of those lanes down and mess with the geometry.

That's the cool part about this league where as Sean will be the first admit, 13 could work, and then all of a sudden it's shut down and you've got to figure out what's next. We had Byron Young on earlier. He's grown a lot as a player, you know, entering a contract here. Kobe Turner, has grown a lot as a player, entering a contract.

In most cities, like, they would kind of be a big story of like, oh, they're actually not holding out here. they both said they're happy they're just looking forward what sort of priority do you have on getting either or both of those guys done? I think it's with a lot of players those two

I mean many others if you look at who's contract expiring next year after the next season so there's an element I always go we communicated with them gave them our plans there's an intent to it and going through that it's always it's not comfortable per se

but they're good football players. There's a patience to it. It's going to work out. It's just a matter of win for them. But you've got to give those players credit, right, to be able to compartmentalize, hey, maybe I'd like to open the Christmas present a year early, but maybe you might not get that chance,

and you still got to go through it. So that's a tribute to them, just as human beings and competitors. I have been dying to ask you this since, camp starts since really you traded for miles but is there anything you know about him now that you didn't know before you know what that here's what I would say not necessarily haven't gotten to know him that well yet but it is interesting when you you let's call it you see him at texan him you play against him every now and then you watch him on film but to then see him come work day in and day out.

There's a, I think that 3D, 40, whatever you call a real human being. There's a wow factor there to write what mom, dad, you know, God gifted him with and how he's using it. No doubt. Do you think about Seattle when you're making these moves, like specifically? I don't think you ever just, let's call it, a choir a player for two games a year. Three maybe? Three maybe.

Just the matchup of it all of like how. it's kind of work. I'm just curious. So, but there's an, but you're definitely aware of your division. That's, that's priority one. If you can win your division, right, you check a box and you host the game and you're in the tournament. But really, I think the way we do it is, what are we trying to accomplish and then try to, right, try to acquire the players that can execute what we're trying to accomplish. But now with that, there is probably an element of bleeding into all of this of, all right, you're going to be.

playing those teams in our division twice a year. So a lot of your defense or offense is to score against them and score against them and stop them from scoring. Well, I mean, I think people who somehow still underrate the NFC West are dead wrong because it's been an incubator for football, the way football is going for so many years. It's McVeigh and Shanahan. And then it's Mike McDonald coming up and showing how his defense and the way he uses the safeties and, and, and, some of these front structures and how he can try to neutralize any of the personnel that these other two division opponents and Cardinals, you know, with some of their 13, will throw at them. And then Sean McVeigh and Calhanna, they try to solve it.

And it's like these collisions, I think, are teaching them all a lot. Now, they probably don't think of it like this. They probably all want to just rip each other's heads off. But, you know, I think it's cool. There's tech. You know what, not just, it's, there's some tactical. right intent there when they get in the ring and spar with each other. Wouldn't it just be nice to just be in the AFC South one year or something, NFC South?

You better watch what you say because all of a sudden the division that you think wasn't strong and strong. That's the neat thing about this league. I thought you better watch what you say because Liam Cohen might be listening. I immediately thought, oh, I should have said NFC South because AFC South, it's legit. He takes flights, though. I don't want to take it. But as we're wrapping up, we're finishing the show right now. Aren't you proud of Jordan?

Oh, my God. How far she's come? Stop. That's part of your development tree, too, maybe. I'm in hell. You know what? She's a rock star. No, no.

I hear, I heard through the grapevine, I am supposed to write your obituary. That's an assignment I didn't know I had. So thanks for handing me that. I got a hit on me. I didn't know that. Hopefully she's got some time on that. She's done a really good job of probably, I would say.

What we do is really boring. Can I go? done a really, really good job. Wow, they do some cool stuff there. Thank you to Jordan Roderig. Thank you to Les Need. Let's get out of here. We are going to be live.

Jordan and I doing some news, talking a little bit after the Hall of Fame game on Thursday night. So join us live on YouTube. That's going to be around 8 p.m. Eastern time. We'll have some news. We'll play a game. Thank you to Les Need. Thank you to Sean McVeigh. Of course, Byron Young and Kevin Doughton.

We'll see you next day. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.