NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Ranking (Almost) Every NFL General Manager

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon to rank every non-first-time General Manager in the NFL. Find out who goes first overall (01:55) and where Les Snead (08:40), Brett Veach (13:20), Jerry Jones (31:20), Omar Khan (44:50), Ryan Poles (51:42), Mickey Loomis (55:20), and every other GM gets taken off the board.  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where my kind of Memorial Day is all about ranking decision makers in the NFL. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. And I'm joined by Patrick Claibon. And it is time. Patrick, how long have you been at the company? I have been at the company since October of 2013. Okay. Wow. 12 years in almost. Totally. That is amazing. And you've reached your most important day at the company because we're throwing you into the fire. We are going to determine who are the best NFL. decision makers right now. I have waited for a very long time to be a part of the rankings apparatus. Okay.

And I am here and I'm ready as people are, you know, celebrating their holiday in which way that they want. I want them to get into this exercise as well and go through the thought experiments that we did and try to come up with rankings of your own and tell us where we're wrong. I mean, I feel a little bit of sarcasm there. There are some people that turn their noses up at rankings. they don't like love them as much. I enjoy it. I enjoy making them. I enjoy consuming them. And yes, it is a perfect Memorial Day. Get out on the beach and either listen to rankings or do some

ranking. So we're going to talk about the GMs, the decision makers, no matter what their title is, we're not going to count the guys who haven't had a chance to go through a complete year. So that's James Gladstone of the Jaguars, Mike Borganzi of the Titans, Darren Mugi of the Jets and John Spytec of the Raiders. I believe that's it. So we're going to rank the rest of them. We had a random drawing before the show of who is going to get the first overall pick. It feels like an obvious one.

Patrick won the drawing. Who would take you? With the first pick in our 2025 GM draft, I would like to select Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles. And it feels chalky because it is. I tried to develop a metric using the weighted, adjusted value on pro football reference on the draft page for players, which it's going to skew towards the guys who have been drafting players the longest because it's a cumulative thing. Like if you draft Callais Campbell, you've got every collective season that Callais has had.

But in that metric in looking at the trades, the decisions, even if you want to ding him for taking Carson Wince, he ultimately trades Carson Wince, trades that same. Sam Bradford pick. They were able to make the AJ Brown trade. You can't argue with the results of having, they're being on the cusp of one Super Bowl, keeping this team rebuilding the roster in one season and one draft, essentially.

Getting back to the Super Bowl, the coaching decisions, it's, it's Howie for me. Yeah, this is the easiest part. I kind of wanted to get that first pick just because I, I was curious and I'll ask you after make my pick,

you know, who you would take second, because it seems like it's Howie and then it's a big fall of. I did this exercise annually. on the website and I would mix it, you know, how we would move up and down

depending on the year, certainly, but the last time I did, it was before the 20, 23 draft, and he was number one overall back then. And I'm looking at this of like, if I could draft a GM to run my team,

who would I draft? And he's the guy who has the most flexibility. One thing I think he's done really well, I think doesn't get as much attention is he's gotten a lot of veterans who are like just about to pop off and hit their prime.

Hassan Reddick was one. Javon Hargrave was one. Zach Bonn is the most recent one. But he's not afraid to then keep them at like a higher rate like Bonn. And so that's offense, awesome. And I looked in the entire defense

are how he draft picks, by the way, right now, the entire starting defense. And most of the offense, they're actually, it's mostly homegrown guys. It's A.J. Brown.

It's Sequin. I mean, another guy picking up at the right time of his career. And it's guys that they've grown inside the system. All right, number two.

I am going to take Brad Holmes of the Detroit Lions would have you have taken him ranking is very similar great okay very similar no that was tough

I had about four guys that I wouldn't argue with if you if you took second overall you know here's the thing with Holmes the last time again

that I did the GM draft I will be I mean the GM rankings I'll refer to this a little bit he was seventh and at the time I was like he might be getting

a little bit of a push where like if you only have a couple years to look at then you're more likely to have a good couple years but it's tough to sustain it and keep it going and he's only done better the last couple of years we went through the position groups me and shook ranking and like they might have the best offensive

line in the league certainly among them the best safety group best running backs like they've done a good job planning for now planning for the future they've had some heat checks but ultimately like what more can you do then build this team. If you're a GM and you're going into what this is year five for him, you want a slow progression. And like they've, you could, you could do a college course on how to build up a team. And Brad Holmes would be the best professor. Yeah. And I understand people may

have depth concerns considering what happened. I don't think it was a, it should be celebrated that the lines were able to accomplish what they did. Yeah. Considering the amount of injuries that they had last season. And you mentioned the chances. I value chances higher here, like taking shots. Because my, my thoughts with acquiring talent is you have to try to acquire the unique talent. You can't have a certain form. It's like, I understand. Like to Mayor Gibbs, for instance. Yeah. Like you have your, Pete Carrolls. Like, we want this height and weight at this position. Like, Sean, Payton feels that way as well, right? Like, you have your designated, designated guidelines for, for players. but sometimes players don't fall within those parameters.

And you take a shot out of them. And that's what I like Brad Holmes in that. It's funny because the golf trade was a win-win. And yet, just from the lion's side of things, it's one of the best transactions in retrospect of the last decade. That they got a franchise quarterback and then plus some just to take them. It worked out pretty great for them. All right.

You're up number three. With the third pick in the 2025 GM draft, I am taking Jason Light of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sustained success. I understand people may think like, oh, you get Tom Brady and everything. It's not just Tom. You had to kind of rebuild that roster

and keep it together. And also, I did value the fact that you get honesty and communication from a GM where it's not like, you don't get any cringe comments from the guys that are going to be taken earlier here. Like things just make sense.

And the adjusted value number like ends up being, you know, my matchwork makes no sense to anybody, including me. But over 10 years, it is 14.2. Okay. In comparison to like somebody like John Schneider, who's at 16, but that's 15 years. He's been there for a long time. He's acquired a lot of very good talent.

He's been able to keep that talent. It hasn't had a lot of success elsewhere. And that's why I'm taking him here. That is bold and strong. No, I think I would have taken him 30. We are a Jason light draft. The problem is, you know, you look, and the Bucks haven't won that many games, the last three years and you know we're picking him over guy over organizations to have one more

games but ultimately I think his his his drafting his is his baker move the offensive line building up offensive I like that you kind of included that he'd be a good hang or that he'd represent you well that is important well yeah because I think in terms of relating with not just media but players as well people respect honesty and you don't want to be doing gamesmanship It's like, well, we're not going to negotiate through the media. Like, it's not that particular conversation. You can be honest and answer a question and also have a good faith negotiation. I don't see why those things would be contradictory.

Honestly, it's maybe part of the reason he helped get Tom Brady down there. I had to look up where is he from? Because he's a funny guy. He's like, I was like he seems like he'd be from New England, like a kind of a sarcastic New England type. But no, he's from Nebraska. Shout out to Jason Light. Number three, big climb, by the way, you know, back when. I did it. He was in the middle of this draft. So he's had a very strong couple of years,

but I'm with you. I like how much his veterans want to stay there. I'm taking less Sneed fourth overall. Now, like a lot of the GMs, it's a combination effort. I mean, they all are to some degree. I do think Sean McVeigh is very important in player acquisition in addition to less Sneed. But what Sneed has shown he can do, because remember, he was with Jeff Fisher back in St. Louis, is he's shown that he can adapt and fit what he's going to do to what his coach needs. So to me, that is an asset and a point in his favor. And I lean more heavily on the last few years, ultimately, because that's who I'd want now, who's doing well with the league as it stands right now. And it's tough to do any better than Jared.

versus Steve Avula, Byron Young, Kobe Turner, Pooka Nakua the last few years in the draft. And it's not like he's been any slouch and filling holes in terms of free agency and obviously getting Stafford and all that either. So he's a strong number four. And I think a part of things that may get underrated

is Sean McVeigh as a coach as a human being also requires a little bit of management as well. Yeah. And like managing that relationship where it's like is Sean McVeyer going to be doing media? Is he going to be continuing coaching? You're a part of a franchise move from Los Angeles, from St. Louis to Los Angeles,

like all of these things. And you get this, right, the memes, the F, the Picks shirts. But then he comes around and he has like a couple of the best drafts in recent memory where he's doing all these things. And the numbers wound up to be 12.6 over a very long amount of time. But that's good, right? no it's the highest the highest number uh did wind up being uh john schneider just because of the volume of years and you know you get russell wilson and and and all those guys i think um oops they didn't have

many picks for a while exactly and he made that strategy work the fact that they that they so clearly had a strategy to load up on a ton of picks the last few years and then that they've hit on so many yeah and so he was he was he was high on nine as well and you know i'm running out of my my top picks. Great, great hair as well. Shout out to Thomas Dimitraf because Lesneed gives him a lot of credit. He's from the Thomas Dim Trey, who was a great GM back in the day, hasn't been in the league a while, but I'm sure he's very proud of less.

Also from, you know, you follow Alabama. Shout out to the folks on the lake. And at one point was a Troy Trojan. So me and Lesneed. All right. You're the number five overall pick. I am going to Buffalo to drag. draft Brandon Bean, and ultimately, you can make the arguments like, oh, you draft the

space alien. Yeah, everything's going to look great. Nobody thought that this was going to be what Josh Allen turned out to be. There's supporting and developing a player and surrounding him with enough talent, especially the Stefan Diggs move as well to get him that player during that point in his development and it you know he over eight years in terms of adjusted value averaging among the picks gets up to 15.3 okay which which for that time frame is almost as close as you can get and his buffalo bills have been as close as you can get multiple times where bounces of a ball bad plays weird decisions have ultimately resulted in their runs ending I think this is a great spot to get him

and so I will take him I think it's fine I have three names ahead of him so it's not like I have him buried I think the top of his drafts lately haven't been good enough like the he hasn't got enough

primetime talent now they're always drafting at the back of the first round and it's not like Dalton Kincaid for instance like a bad pick but sometimes I feel like it's like their style of defense they're like good not great and it's a lot of goods

And Dana Jeremiah always says, like, they're searching for doubles, you know, because the doubles sometimes turn into a home run. They're searching for that. I feel like the bills have a lot of like singles to doubles. And they've settled into having a really good offensive line. Again, I gave extra points for that. And so he deserves credit. It took him a while to get there.

But I had him a few spots lower. I can feel one fan base when they see these rankings being upset. So I'm actually going to go off my board and make it. Oh, wow. To appease an upset fan base? somewhat. I'm just moving them up one spot. They're going to be happy to hear that. I don't think Brett Veach should, well, they don't actually.

Not only do I disrespect your GM, I also think you know. I don't disrespect them. I have Brett Veach next. And in, on my original rankings, I had him sixth and I just kind of want him to be, to be sixth here. And, uh, you took Bean too early. So he, he, you know, he's got the Super Bowls. And he goes, oh, yeah, well, he's got my homes. Yeah. He was even more than Brandon Bean. I think synonymous with that pick because maybe it's just after the fact trying to take some credit. But by all accounts, was pushing hard for that Mahomes pick throughout. So he gets credit for Mahomes too.

But more importantly, I think they've done a good job managing how the salary cap's going to work, how many players you can't have to pay, being flexible, changing depending on the year. They do a really good job finding the right defensive backs for Steve Spagnolo. They don't necessarily, like, value offball linebacker. And so they found really good, cheaper ways with these mid-round picks or a Drew Tranquil to, like, fill those type of holes while spending big money. They obviously fixed the offensive line a few years ago. Now it's taking on, you know, some problems there at left tackle and they aggressively go for it.

I think the Tyreek trade worked out as well as, you know, could possibly work. I think he needs his wide receivers and his left tackles to hit right now. But I didn't feel comfortable with him falling any further. yeah there was there there was times where it's like you have this tremendous opportunity because you have patrick mahomes in the problem of this career and they were just kind of trying to squeak by at other spots that were a little frustrating right it's hard it's so isn't it impossible it's because of the salary cap to be good everywhere so the fact that they've won at least 12 no they did win 11 games in 23 but you know at least 12 12 11 or more since

2018 yeah that's pretty strong yeah and the you know the the numbers the numbers also uh bear that out where he he winds up right in between uh jason light and the play the the GM i'm going to pick next okay and it's not all about the draft either we're talking free agency we're talking trades and i think beach has been pretty flexible and doing well in those areas as well although let's be real Andy Reed has close to as much power, and I think say in terms of the personnel as almost any coach on this entire list. So Andy Reid gets a shout out here. And when we say Brett Beach, it's sort of a stand in for Brett Beach and Andy as a team. All right, you're up. And I think that goes for my next pick, which will be John Lynch of the San Francisco 49. Wow. Who, again, some of these years were shocking to me that it's eight years for John Lynch in Santa Clara coming in 12.3. a little bit behind less need and in terms of the talent acquisition. Of course, they get a big boosts, right?

They found a starting quarterback, the very last pick in the draft. Some of the contract management stuff has taken a while, but they ultimately get it done. Might be ownership there too. Yeah. So that could be related. But when you're a contender for an extended period of time,

you are, I guess some folks aren't like, we just discussed Bean, right? And his acquisition strategies, which I think that they've taken shots, but the 49ers have absolutely taken shots. And that era may be over now,

but I do give them credit because to be that close for that long is something worth celebrating. Yeah. And I think that when you look at the 49ers over the last handful of years, it's still true now. It was true last year even when they won six games.

One of the first things you think about them is, wow, that's a really talented team. And so you got to give, you got to give the GM ultimately and Kyle Shanahan. Again, Kyle Shane Han has a lot to do with this. I've been so, I've always felt like their relationship. It was an arranged marriage and they've really made it work. And I'm, I'm actually impressed that it has stayed together as long, and a little surprise that it stayed together as long as it has, but very talented guys. They're good at finding guys that work on the offensive line, maybe a little, I don't know. I give Kyle Shannon maybe more credit than most coaches, but John Lynch was seventh,

by the way, back in 2023. So he was right at the same spot. It almost deserves its own podcast on how we would separate the coaches from the GMs and these things. I was surprised that you didn't take that your Ravens is Eric DeCosta next. I think they've done a good job rebuilding on the fly while winning a ton of game. they have changed their roster each offseason, really for the last three off seasons, especially the two before this one, about as aggressively as any team had to because they just had

guys aging out. And he actually hasn't had great drafts, Eric DeCosta. I don't think. We'll see what your numbers say. He had that Kyle Hamilton draft with Linderbaum, which was fantastic. But otherwise, it's been pretty mediocre, which is why, you know, for me, he falls this far, although I had him a little higher on my list. But he is good. I think at, getting guys at the margins to help his team, whether it's a veteran that you add to the mix last minute or just little additions, mid-round picks, stuff like that, I think he's a very solid GM. Well, yeah, he's solid. I did have him a couple of spots down. Some of that was probably lingering frustration over the Lamar deal where I felt like the window could have been extended

and you could have gotten that deal done earlier instead of waiting for the Eagles to make the Hertz offer and being like, this looks good, I think there could have been a more competitive offer made earlier on in the process in the process. People forget how crazy it was two years ago. Remember the Falcons were like, nope, we don't want Lamar Jackson. Remember Lamar Jackson requesting a trade? It was dark days. And all that was very unnecessary to me. As well as the public conversation about the difficulty of the negotiation when it's like you make an offer, the player decides if he wants it or not. It's even less difficult when there's there's no agent involved uh you know depending on who they're working

for most often themselves but there's there there was that and i think don't get patrick going on his anti-agent screens one of one of my favorites people are probably sick of it uh at this point it comes out to six years uh nine point three uh okay on the scale where it's um you have to give him credit for the trade for roquan um yeah you know pque ends up leaving and going to to the Steelers there, but he makes the Roquan trade. Core pieces of the team look good. And it's, you know, they're going to have a chance every year. The most important reason for that, he flirted with not having on the team anymore

to save how much money I don't know. Right. And technically that he did draft Lamar Jackson, at least. He was there. That is maybe like a small demerit on the Costa that Ozzie is literally over his shoulder still. Because if you see at the Combine, there's Ozzy. But they're a combination, so they all get credit.

De Costa was 13th on my list, by the way, a few years ago. You're up next with the 9th. I know I'm going way off of your board. I'm going to have to defend this with passion. And I will. I will take Terry Fontno. Oh, my God. I will.

Stop it. I will. See, now we can't send out the, you know how they've been sending out like a list with the rankings, and I have been afraid that something like this would happen. I can't send this list out now that has fontad O'9. I literally have him like 20. I am sure that you do. I am sure that you do. And I am sure that you also have Mickey Loomis at the very near the bottom, if not, if not the absolute bottom of our exercise. Yeah, that's true. And so are we giving Mickey Loomis credit for 2017? I'm not.

anymore. I'm saying who I want to hire right now. I don't want to hire Terry Fonno. He hasn't done well. Why would Terry Fondano be nine? Because I wanted to come in this with a clear eye, develop a metric. And he has assembled in four years, 10.29, you know, scoring higher than Eric DeCosta, relatively scoring higher than a lot of people on this list by acquiring very, very good talent that has played and played early and had success. And I think that, of course, the albatross is going to be this contract that I feel doesn't get done without ownership involvement to the extent that you draft a quarterback. Yeah, that you draft a quarterback immediately after the deal because, like, that was something that the boss wanted. Yeah, but it's not all about drafting.

It's about everything that they do. Well, yeah. It becomes more difficult to do everything when you've got all this money devoted into a quarterback that was literally in recovery. like post-surgery recovery when they got the deal done. I just mean if another GM on draft day is saying like, hmm, where can we get a good deal from? Who's going to give up too much in a in a pick? I'm calling Terry Fontenow.

He's given up that extra first-round pick. He's been there for four years. So a big thing for me is a GM in their third season. You want some proof of concept of what you've done. And right now he is entering year five. They've had a losing record every time. He botched the first head coaching hire. And so I'm putting that on him ultimately.

The second one, like, we'll see how that goes. He has the Kirk trade. The high picks have been fine. I wouldn't say, like, we'll see on PennX. Pitts has been not a good pick. London has been a very good pick. And Bejohn's been a good pick too. So, you know, that's about what you would expect.

Maybe a little better than you would expect. He brought in Jesse Bates. It's not all terrible. But I knocked him big time. for not going after Lamar Jackson and for going for Deshaun Watson. And I don't care if it was ownership I'm putting Terry Fontno in that big bucket.

Yeah. And again, it's the difficulty of separating the owner and in terms of... They wanted Deshaun Watson. They didn't want Lamar Jackson and they haven't had a winning record. I think the individuals in charge of these institutions were the ones responsible for the DeShan Watson fiasco,

including the one that took the blame in Cleveland for it. But there's... It's just if we haven't seen proof of concept for Atlanta and the team that, like, we both agree that Jason Light belongs in the top echelon of these GMs. Yeah. And they were right there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the season in which they had to start a rookie quarterback late. So like, how is that not proof of concept?

I get that you, you don't want to just rank vibes. I'm okay. Like, I don't look at it as vibes. I look at it as taking all the information that you have. and trusting that you can mash it all up and then come up with kind of what's an opinion and take some things out of context. I would say what's the best thing about the Falcons

the last handful of years? I would say the offensive line. Fontno had nothing to do with that. So that's like the one part of the team that was good. He hasn't been able to build up a good defense. They were starting Taylor Heineckee and Desmond Ritter dog. Right. Well, that's partly on him.

He's entering year five. I, man, it's tough. he you got you want to see some a better proof of concept than fontenose had after four years a big season in Atlanta Greg is going to turn me into a bird how could be the biggest falcons fan in the world yeah I have uh I have him at 23 ranked 23 we got we got to pick up the pace I got to make a pick no don't be sorry I mean do be sorry that you took fontano I'm loving my brian kuducans value here at number 10 had him eighth overall a couple years ago Again, a guy who I think has shown an ability to find a good offensive line,

like finding really good players in the second, third round, man, that is like one of the toughest things to do and they've done it consistently. So that is a great base to build up. They need to transition from kind of being that team that's the youngest team in the league every year and being a little more talented. He's had six first rounders right now, Patrick, on his defense. You would want the defense to be better than it is. And you'd want to have better overall players considering the investment there. So that's a little bit of a knock. But overall, you give them credit for the Jordan Love Pick and give them credit for a lot else. So I like Goody here at number 10. Yeah. They've put a lot of talent in a lot of places almost.

And also they've been able to make moves in free agency. You're still shaking your head. I am. I am because I'm just thinking, I'm just thinking about the way I'm going to have to couch this in a tweet. Or if we like, uh, if we make, uh, if we make. a board we got to put a big asterick one controversial Patrick made this pick it doesn't count yeah sure I'm being me yeah no I it's it's not it's not mean to me it just I look at I look at talent on the roster that's the same conversation we're having about Brian Gutikens to where it's like ultimately like how he's the only one that can take the credit to being good right now like Brett Brett Brecht as well like those things the it's fair if if the Falcons go 12 and 5 this year

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Back on NFL Daily. Studio still shaking with the reverberation. Most controversial thing. The pick heard around the world. Some people see it's not really even appropriate to do on Memorial Day that you're, you're not respecting the troops by making the final pick. I've been accused of many things, Greg. Let's go number 11.

Who do you got? Now I don't know what this system. See, if we wanted to really get off track, this may be a sign where you've got to combine the analytics side with the common sense side. You know, the two sides. That's what's being done here, Greg. You can't totally rely on the analytics.

That's what's being done here. Just because you disagree. Doesn't mean that's not what's being done. I will go down by the numbers to the next pick. No, because this is. was my rankings. I will take Nick Casario here, who is assembled a 9.1 over four years, where it feels like Nick Casario has been in Houston for at least nine years. I was shocked to find out. It's been how many head coaches that it's only been for. And yeah, if not for the precipitous

turnover and head coaches, maybe it would have been a little higher had they actually been devoted to winning football games before now. But I just think, it's a very good roster. It suits the coaching staff very well. And these players, some of them, you know, haven't had success elsewhere. They've come to Houston and they've been able to accomplish some things. And so I like the way this team is built.

Yeah, that's a great call that they've helped to make other teams players. That's a great sign of a good coaching staff and a good front office. Yeah, you know, I'm not going to lie. He had me. He had me in the first few years. I thought he was a bum Casario. But they got two rookies of the year,

the year after that, their secondary is outrageously good. Lasseter, Bullock, Petrie, Stingley, all guys that Casario drafted. He drafted Nico Collins in the first draft. The De Nio Hunter pickup was good. I'm with you. Adam Peters is going to be my pick

here at number 12. This one's tricky. He's only been there for a year and a half, but I think you can only grade on what he's done. And Jane Daniels gets the most credit for that. But Adam Peters, you know, he took Jane Daniels. I mean, he had great options between him and Drake May, but he took Jane and Daniels, obviously, a franchise changing pick.

But a lot of good moves around the edges. The Santer still pick was good. Finding guys kind of like Bobby Wagner and Dorrance Armstrong and Frankie Louvre, who could just step in right away. So what can you really say? I didn't like his picks. subjectively, I mean, his free agent pickups this off season, but I really didn't put much into that because we don't know how they're going to work out. So I think it's unfair to put

on him that I didn't really like love him. They might work out great. So I put him here at 12. Yeah. It makes sense at 12. The number, it's right. For one year, it was the best one year you could possibly have, right? So you get, you get a quarterback, you go to the NFC championship game. He starts every single game. That's going to skew things. Like if you made this a 10, if he had that level of success, the numbers,

I know the numbers make sense to nobody. He'd be like 30 points ahead of everybody. He'd be the greatest. Yeah, GMO of all time. If he had that every year, if he drafted Jayden Daniels every year. And that's going to be a possible. Like,

yeah. Like nobody might have that level of success. Like, it was almost like, in terms of value, like Puka had a similar level of season, but that's not even at the quarterback position. So it's crazy.

Yeah. See, you, you were looking at the entire, tenure. I'm definitely leaning a little more towards lately, so I'm curious who you're going with next. I am going with the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. And Jerry Jones. It is, he would be significantly higher in terms of talent acquisition, uh, because I couldn't even do the full math on his tenure because that would be crazy and the numbers would be, uh, just wouldn't make any sense. But, but just in terms of the recent value in all of these players, he should be higher. But the,

the way that these contract decisions get dragged out and they'll go into the they'll go into a year like having money to spend and not spend it there's some questionable things but the the talent that has been on the roster during this window has been good enough uh to to to contend for a super bowl they haven't they haven't done it but all you can all you can hope to have is the ability to do that and and i think you know despite being the person who signs all the checks uh they've been able to do it yeah item 10th last time around. I definitely had him a few spots lower than you, but nothing crazy.

Similar negatives to you. His hot streak in the draft has ended, though. And so, like, that's a big deal. He had the Parsons draft with, you know, Diggi Zua was in that draft. But the best picks in the last three drafts or so is Tyler Smith, like Ferguson. Like, we got to see some more results out of these recent picks.

I did like the pickings move, though. So I think that that's fair. Overall, they've done a good job bringing in high-in talent. Man, I really struggle. I do, like, go off vibes a little bit, and I'm on the clock here, and I'm looking at my board, and it says one thing, and yet sometimes you've got to be on the clock to feel what's really in your heart, and I want Sean Payton and George Payton now.

I don't want to wait around any longer. I think Sean Payton and George Payton are bringing a level of performance, professionalism that I'm feeling comfortable with. Now, is it Peyton or Patton? I keep forgetting. It's Peyton. They're both Peyton. Yeah, it's George Payton, but they're not spelled the same. Yeah. Look, he brought in Russell Wilson. That's a pretty big knock on him. And so they haven't had a lot of picks since Russell Wilson because they lost so many in that trade. But they hit on Bo Necks. They hit on Riley Moss. And then I really like some of the free agency moves that they've made, Zach Allen, Jonathan Franklin Myers. Payton was there. George Payton when they drafted Quinn Miners, who's turned into an all-pro. And what you see with Sean Payton, and this is where I think his ability to merge personnel and coaching matters is like some of the mid-round guy, like he'll add like a Marvin Mims. He's going to find a role for

Marvin Mims, I think, to be a contributor and a productive player. I know he's a young player, but just as an example of like he's going to find roles. So I like him in this spot. I wouldn't want him in the top 10 or anything, but I think he's like a floor razor. Yeah. It slots in and there's a, it gives me an opportunity to take a GM that I didn't think that I would be drafting, but I'm taking, I'm going to take John Schneider. That's who I just passed. Here, after 15 years, the numbers come up to 16.1, but again, when you have that amount of time, it's going to, it's going to lift the numbers up.

Like, again, Jerry Jones would have been way off of this list. I mean, looking back where it was Bruce Irvin, Russell Wilson, and Bobby Wagner, in one draft. They didn't have a lot of picks that year, but through a stretch, like they get Richard Sherman the year before,

assembling one of the more notable units that we'll remember from this entire era of football and the Legion of Boom, where I know Pete was a huge factor in that, and judging by the way things have gone in the past few years, they probably had very different visions,

but they were able to collaborate and make it work, and this feels like a good spot for it. Yeah, I wanted to rank lower, frankly, but then I looked at the drafts lately and you got to give him credit. Like, Devin Witherspoon and

Jackson Smith and Jigba, that's a great draft. The Charles Crossboy, Mafei, Rik Willen. Now I know Pete's still there at that point. You know, there was a slump before that, but the offensive line, you got to hold against him. But he he's made some good pickups like Leonard, Williams, Ernest Jones were good pickups. I think

the first, you know, they should have kept Gina Smith, so I'm kind of knocking them for that, but I also think it's hard to separate like who gets credit for Gina so I would give more to peak your out I think that like

when I want with Sean Peyton though like over Schneider for instance there is something about he's he's now the man there in a way that I'm not like fully comfortable with who's a survivor he's like feeling himself

and I think I want like some of these other guys instead I don't know why because of it just just off vibes man this we're in the middle of the draft it's tricky you can get people feeling different types of ways about Duke Tobin of the Bengals that he could be

at the very close to the bottom of this list or closer to the top because of what he's been working with in Cincinnati, it's a difficult situation. I think that right in the middle is okay. His offensive line fix really has just only gone okay. You've got to blame him a lot

for what's happened on the defense because they've put a ton of resources there, a ton of swings. Hasn't totally worked. I think over his entire higher stretch run, he probably would be ranked a little higher for me. But I think I'm leaning, I'm not really giving much credit to something well, you did seven, eight years ago at this point. I'm thinking more about the last handful of years. And they've been mediocre. I think they need to

do better building around Joe Burrow. Yeah, this was a spot where I was considering Duke Tobin as well. I know that, you know, there's frustrations with the, the Trey Hendrickson deal. But he didn't even mention Duke Tobin my name it was like it was a coach you know some communication issues

it is in his availability and talking about his contract and I understand that they got the T and Jemar deals to deal with what's very nebulous what Tobin

like Tobin is Tobin is clearly running the draft but I think this is more of an ownership right team than most not you know not as much as the

the Cowboys but closer to that than most teams out there. They're old school, the Browns. Yeah. All right. Teams send us power percentages for decisions so that we can know. I will go to our

relatively newer guys and take Monty Austin Fort. Okay. Of the Arizona Cardinals. It's almost like you're looking on my sheet. That was next. I thought that would be cool. Well, I mean, do you want him? I'm just going to take... I don't want to run a foul of your list

as I have. Oh, stop. Notably earlier. Stop. where it's I've committed a crime. I feel bad. No, don't feel bad. Not for me. You know,

I'm fine. Terry Fano may want to come after you, but Jason Light might, you know, he'll be happy. Yeah, he'll be happy. Yeah, the foul goods are trash.

Mickey, I'm sure you're a good friend as well. We'll love it. I don't know how Dan Morgan will feel. But yeah, if we're talking about Moni Awesome for it, it needs more data for him and some of the, you know,

the guys I have in this range. but I think taking that situation and going in with a new coach and trying to figure out how to handle your quarterback situation and all these things bringing us this this search bar of a defense

that we're starting to learn a little bit more about I like the free agent acquisitions as well this year so it makes sense I'll take money here I really like their off season I'm trying not to put too much weight on that

because we haven't seen how it's going to work out but I really like their draft they've hurt me before I like their off season I like that he's gotten contributors in the draft like Paris Campbell was a good one and some of the guys in the secondary like Max Melton

and Michael Wilson and who's Garrett Williams like they got these guys that aren't household names search bar but I think he's done a good job like I don't he's entering year three so this is like the push year

but there's not much you can really fall in Montiason for it I think that's good I don't want you to feel like you can't just draft as if no one's watching as if I'm not watching This is not, I don't want this to be,

this is what we're doing. Like, I'm listening on audiobook to this kind of tell-all memoir about Facebook. And it's amazing. It's by Sarah Wyn Williams. It's incredibly written. She's a very trustworthy narrator. And everything that you could possibly think, how bad it would be to be in the inner inner circle of Facebook.

Mark Zuckerberg, it's, it's worse than you think. Does it go over Myanmar? Um, it is about foreign relations. It hasn't gotten there, but that was her job. So it, I, I, I maybe haven't gotten to that part, but yeah, it is electric for a nonfiction book. Anyways, it's not unique to Facebook, but I think it was true, uh, among her bosses, you know, how, how little everyone would say honestly to, to the bosses, especially Cheryl Sandberg, uh, back in the I don't want to be the Cheryl Sandberg or Mark Zuckerberg of NFL Daily, where you're not just drafting who you want to draft. No, as evidenced by recent history, that is what I'm doing. And, you know, go Falcons.

We have a special guest producer here today, Chris Bobona, in the chair. Did you follow the reasoning at all of what I was talking about with the Facebook memoir analogy? well yeah because obviously Patrick always is like on the NFL lines he doesn't like want to branch out and you being like Facebook Zuckerberg are always on him okay maybe I was just trying to say like did that come through is that too much of a but you got to let Patrick out let oh wait that's what we don't want to do that um I mean it depends to a degree I want Patrick to continue to work here at NFL media and with me as like long as possible. And so we don't want to let them totally out. But Terry Fon, though,

it's like mostly. The book is called Careless People, by the way. And it's been a big time bestseller, better than I could have expected. All right. Next up, this is where the list, it gets tough for me. I'm going to go Joe Hortiz. Just so far, so good. I kind of, I just like the cut of his jib. He's the Chargers GM for those. who don't know. Good in front of a microphone. I think it's made a lot of really like sound decisions so far. They found some late round picks

at cornerback. Cam Hart's heaps still that I like. I think their first round picks have been solid. They got a little more aggressive. I'm not crazy in free agency this year. It's more just an incomplete, but so far so good. And for what it's worth,

like the guys that they brought in contributed to a team that improved quite a bit. So Harbaugh obviously gets the most credit for that, but he's right there with Jim Harba. Yeah, it makes perfect sense, uh, especially with like the potential to, for things to change, like Monty and as well as Joe Hortiz are just kind of right there. Right, which is maybe I should have put him lower, but I don't know. I was just like, so far his batting averages is good to me. All right, you're up next. In terms of winning, uh, things have been pretty good for the Minnesota Vikings, uh, here as of late. So I'll take Quesi, Odofo, Mensa. Um, it's,

I understand like if you're talking about draft value there's been some trades that have kind of limited things like in my metric right when you have like a Dallas Turner as well as a first round quarterback that's not going to play it you know you're not able to get any value for those guys but there is potential for those things to change and you know at this point we wouldn't be talking about Sam Darnold starting like being a surefire starter, getting the contract that he got and dethroning Gino in his position, if not for, you know, this front office's efforts as well as, you know, Kevin O'Connell obviously plays a role,

but they work together. So I'm sharing the credit and the value there. Yeah, honestly, I'm laughing because I sort of forgot about Questi and I would have taken him earlier. Now, I think, judging by the coach, you know, draft that we had,

like I took him fourth overall. Questi wouldn't have been close to that height. It wouldn't have been in my top 10 because his drafts ultimately have been below average on, by and large. Yeah. I would say, like, if we were going vibes and I didn't try to look at numbers on this, I would have had Quessie way higher. But free agency, they took, they got Jonathan Grenard.

They essentially like let Hunter walk and got Grinard a younger player who I think fit the scheme that they have. Not that he's better than Daniel Hunter, but he came in at less money and was a really good free agency pickup. Van Ginkl, great pickup. I think he deserves some credit for that. But yeah, some of their better, like, young players are... Blake Cashman was another pickup.

He probably should have gone, like, a little higher. Apologies to Quessie. But, yeah, this is fine. What are you going to disrespect? The other people are around here. I'll take Omar Khan now. Only three drafts running the Pittsburgh Steelers. The more that you hear from reporters,

I think Mike Tomlin has as much personnel power as he's ever had. He's probably had always a little more than we realize when he worked with Kevin Colbert. But that was someone that had been in the organization for two decades. And now he's working with a younger GM. So I think Tomlin has a big hand in these drafts. And lately they've been good. I mean, it's kind of crazy he's this late because like Joey Porter Jr., Keanu Benton, Herbig, you know, they've gotten some good offensive linemen and Zach Frazier and McCormick. We'll see about Fautano. He's got to see

how Brojik Jones whether he's healthy. But the drafts have been pretty good. They don't do a lot in free agency. They made the DK trade, which overall I like.

The quarterback position obviously is a huge negative. And so he pays for that. If it wasn't for the quarterback, if he had, I'm trying to think of like, like, if he had traded for Gino Smith

a couple years ago or something, and they had to fix the quarterback position to like an above average level a couple years ago, he'd probably be in my top 10. but that's a pretty big knock on the team. Yeah, you've had a very long time to develop a plan at that position and other teams have found their quarterbacks.

Some have found multiple quarterbacks during that time frame, and you need to address it. All right, let's take a quick break, and we're going to wrap up the draft after this. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside.

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I felt this way about the coach too. I was like, we're in pretty good shape. Like, I don't think the next few GMs are, for the most part, have done like a terrible job. It's kind of like having a late night show, as Jimmy Kimmel, I heard one say, like, if you still have the show, that's a success. So like, if you are a GM, that's a success. And especially a couple of these have been around a little while. That's a success for them. Yeah, your job is to keep your job.

And a lot of times, you know, we've got some person, you know, people think personalities are exclusive to players. Managing relationships with ownership is probably an important part of the job. And if you, you know, if you have a job, you know, that that's what, that's what people like to do. Well, the older you get, you realize that's so much more important or telling for who gets put forward or sticks around. Like, sucking up to bosses really helps. I would like to take Chris Greer. who has amassed 13.7 on my metric for a very long time since 2016 where you've get a lot of good players who contribute. The problem is some of those players wind up

contributing in places that are not Miami. One notable example would be of, you know, they make the trade from, of Micka Fitzpatrick. They get a first round pick. They ultimately take Tua in the first round there, but that wasn't the pick that they traded. It took Austin Jackson with that. They took Austin Jackson with the Minka Trade first round pick. And they've been contenders. They've assembled a good team just haven't. Maybe three or four wins, which is crazy over the course of these years, could have

changed his position in my rankings a whole lot. But I think relative to the rest of the ones that are. available? I like getting Chris Square here. Yeah, this is around where I had him as well. I had him 15th last time. I think the hardest thing to measure here would be you need to have the sum of your parts be, you know, the team be greater than just the sum of their parts. And I think they would be the opposite of that. I think they've made a lot of moves that individually look like they worked out pretty well. But overall, this organization has always been a little less than the sum of

their parts to me. And so I think that's on the GM a little bit, like a lack of a coherent plan, like going from one thing to the next to the other and maybe it doesn't all totally add up, even though like Jalen Ramsey made sense and Tyree Kill made sense. Like all these made sense and yet they don't, it doesn't all come together. Which is why these like Mika Fitzpatrick, Andrew Van Ginkle, Christian Wilkins, like all of these guys who wind up being contributors elsewhere. Like you had the ability to take them, but you should you should be able to make that work. Right, like, by it, according to the local reports, they really wanted, like, Kaleas Campbell back this year,

and that was going to be an important player for them, and they didn't get him back. And so if we're going to give credit to a Jason Light for making an atmosphere where players want to stay because they like the organization, the situation, we sort of have to give the dolphins a little bit of a knock. But Chris Greer hanging on. I think they need to win this year for him to feel good.

I'm going to go Chris Ballard next. infamously in my own mind, I ranked him number one overall, like back in 2016 or I forget what year it was where I thought they had the most talented roster in the entire NFL. Do we have a graphic from that? Because I'll put that up with if you try to shan me for my Terry Fonton. I mean, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty embarrassing. He was 18th the last time I did this exercise. So it had faded. We'll see the offensive line, which has been a strength and was probably Ballard's, you know, the best thing that he did now doesn't look as good.

The weapons, which were bad, now look pretty good. On paper, I think this team kind of makes sense. I'm not like in love, like, his public persona, sometimes a little prickly or condescending. And the relationship with the coaches and the, and the fans and stuff has been up and down. So that's a little bit of a negative to me, too, for Chris Ballard. Yeah.

I'm right there with you the idea of making your quarterback try extra hard by bringing in Daniel Jones and kind of it's like exclusively Richardson's responsibility I didn't yeah I direct anyone that's curious I mean you could go to NFL.com or you could

go to an side.com article from April of 2021 which says king of the draft Colts Chris Ballard named best drafting GM in the NFL and yeah that was by me. So, you know. Got him.

He had a good run and I might have overrated him there. Number 22, you're up. I will take Ryan Poles at number 22. Just purely based off of liking the, I see the vision more so than some of the remaining choices, where I probably could have in hindsight, probably could have taken a, a, a better GM. Regret while he's on the clock. That's rare.

I think it's fine. You turn the card in. I think that would have been my pick for what it's worth, which isn't much. Yeah. The options get limited down here at the bottom.

Yeah, the hiring of Iber Fluse is something that it takes, it takes its skill to survive. And that was his guy. He really wanted Eber Fluse. So that's a negative. And who knows,

right? there was a very, very interesting article, I believe, around December about the influence of agents on the coaching searches, where, again, you know, my particular soapbox might have come in. And so, but again, we don't know who's ultimately making all these. It's the general manager's job to hire in these spots. And I do believe, based on this offseat, this has been the best Ryan Poles offseason that does warrant a little more belief than previous years.

15 and 36 overall since he took over as GM so not a lot of progress. Some good draft picks were like Kyler Gordon and Gervyn Dexter. He picked up Montes Sweat and Tremaine Edmins and Free Agency.

This is a team that's better on paper than they've really ever been on the field. But they're pretty solid on paper. That was actually picked 23. I led you astray. And we are 224. We have four more to go.

I'll go with Elliot Wolf here just because there's not... He had a disastrous draft other than Drake May, but they did get Drake May. Pretty big asterisk. Pretty bad free agency period his first time around. The way that they handled the offensive line, it was all bad.

Also, I think he's lost a significant amount of power. I don't truly believe he is the GM in a way that really And that would be true of anyone else on this list, but he has the title. So, does he have the title? I don't even know anymore. The Patriots, being Patriots, like, ultimately, like, I don't even believe that Elliot Wolf is running this personnel department, but he is the guy who's doing the interviews and on the podium afterwards right now, which is messy. So that's part of my skepticism. But I think it's, I think it's Mike Ravel. And I think it's Mike Ravel's guys that he brought in that actually might have more juice than Elliot Wolf. Oh, I don't know. Just because he hasn't done that much, I'll go L.A. Wolf, and he delivered me,

Drake, so that made me be happy. All right, number 25. At a 1.8, W-AVA, my tortured metric, Dan Morgan, after one year, you know, it's really not enough info to get into. I do, I do see some sort of a vision. I was surprised, but I've been talked into the Ted McMillan pick where I really thought

they needed to go defense. And, yeah, I like him more than the remaining choices. So I'm going to take them. Yeah, he's just a will see. You can't really kill him. His drafts so far don't look like amazing, but he literally only had won the free agency period. Like, I kind of liked what he did this year,

but he's just sort of a, we almost shouldn't have ranked Dan Morgan or maybe Elliot Wolfe, just because they haven't been around long enough. It's tough to evaluate. Mickey Loomis has been around a long time, and this is where I'm leaning into the last few years. I'm really only just grading him on the post-Shaun-Payton era.

Like, he used to rank pretty high, high on my list. Like, he would be in the top 10 sometimes, you know, top 15. They had some great drafts. Right now, he's just aiming for the middle, hanging on to players, I believe, too long, having a weird obsession that ended up being unrequited with Derek Carr, like, and Dennis Allen, just bad, not who you want running your team. Because he was around it long enough to make a handful of amazing draft picks and he won a

Super Bowl title. That's why he gets ahead of just the last couple guys on this list for me. But I'd be fine wherever you put him at the back end. At this point, I think, I don't know. He's not even, he's just a figurehead. I don't even know what's going on. And with our last two, I do know where you stand on this. I have seen one, you know, Andrew Barry's shot in. We have Joe Shane and Andrew Barry are on the only two people left. Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry sitting there with the owner at the draft literally looming over their shoulder. Leans me to take Andrew Barry here. Okay. And maybe it's more of a Joe Shane thing. But I just think that the big boss is making so many of the decisions regarding everything that it's almost

impossible to evaluate either one of them, even when you consider that Stefansky won the coach of the year somehow. Now, he traded away so many picks for Deshaun Watts. And, you know, the Watson trade alone would just have me put them last. But second of the last, it's close enough. They have had draft picks. And the last three drafts, I was looking it up. The best player from those last three drafts are either, is like Greg Newsom or Martin Emerson? Like, they haven't brought in talent via the draft.

So that's on him, too. His first ever draft pick, I'm big on the first draft pick setting up on. I don't know why I'm into this in general. And his first was Jedrick. Will's, which to me is so typical of them, which is like, it looked pretty good at first, and then it just hasn't worked out in the long run. And that's how I feel about, about Barry in general. But the difference between Barry and Shane was, Barry wasn't on hard knocks, giving the impression that just like not a lot was going on that made you feel like he was

an asset as a general manager. I think that's fair. I think people in the least, watching that show agree with me and I heard from them like that just like really this is what's going on that that's my feel on Shane he had a pretty good draft though last year yeah it gave us it gave us a level of insight

and to the counter of Andrew Barry the owner actually wanted it seemed like wanted the player and he was like no this is my decision and that is why considering the results I understand the last draft gave us something to be you know gave people something to be excited about but considering the extended amount

results. Well, and the Daniel Jones contract is not as bad as the Watson trade, but it's, it's bad in a really significant way, in a different way, to self-evaluate that bad and hamstring your own organization after you've already had them there with that coach is tough to survive. But he has, and he's got one more year here to make it look better. We got to the end. It's kind of a bummer for these guys at the end, but you know, someone's got to come in last. No, and somebody can, game. And they can put this up on a metaphorical bulletin board, maybe like on a Windows desktop, right?

And motivate them. They'll try extra hard now because we've been critical. Or the opposite. Fontno could see that someone believes in him out there and he wants to prove us right. Because now it's us. Well, we get, the motivation goes both ways because you don't believe. And your

lack of belief has more value. It doesn't matter. Ultimately, when we put out the graphic, it's NFL daily. Like, we are a team, Patrick. and while I came at that pick pretty strong, now we've got to support, we've got to support him. I can't, I can't be sniping to the media behind the scene.

Oh, no power struggle? I can't be like an unnamed source to Jordan Rodrigue of the athletic that like, hey, Patrick really blew it with this pick. I had nothing to do with that pick. That was all Jimmy Haslam. Yeah, you can write a book about it and get some quotes from my dad and then have an NFL.com article promoting your book written by nobody. I hope we can recover as a friendship, as podcast.

I think we'll be all right. We'll be good. That's it for our rankings of the GMs. And yes, if you notice, we're kind of doing this weekly. We're going to keep that up. We're going to get into the positions next. I am really looking forward to that and really looking forward to the rest of this week. We will have Colleen Wolf and Jordan Roderig back in the studio.

for our next show, for Patrick Claibon, for Terry Fontano, for Questi. We did kind of, I kind of forgot Questie. I apologize. We're making amends when it comes to Terry Fontenow because football is back. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies. To evaluate team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices

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