NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - RapSheet joins the Heroes and Content Ingestion Update

Episode Date: January 16, 2019

In a room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling – react to their live show in Atlanta (1:30), plus up-and-coming podcaster Ian Rapoport talks shop with the heroes (4:45). After, Eagles’ HC Doug Pederson announces that Carson Wentz is the franchise’s QB going forward (23:00), Cleveland brings Todd Monken on board as the Browns OC (28:00), and placekicker Cody Parkey joined the Today show recently – should Nagy and the Bears’ front office be upset (36:10)? Next, Wess unveils his All-Pro Team (take that Next Gen) (44:00) and lastly, the heroes share their latest fixations in ‘Content Ingestion Update’ (52:30)!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Needs more at Temposi NFL. Not really. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal.

What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Right away, another example of Machiavellian lever pulls by Cam who is sitting in for Erica to prop her up in a money bit right there just because you knew we'd react negatively

to that. He's brilliant. You're very wise. And I'm scared of you. He's playing the game. He's playing chess is what he's playing. You know? And we're all rooks. Or Tamposi was like, you have to put this in now. I cannot let the listeners forget my name for one show or else you're gone.

Another distinctly that was that was exactly verbatible. This is our Wednesday show. We got a lot for you this hump day, as they call it. Wes, you're all pro team. Oh, yeah. West digs into the tape.

Wes gets out the old laptop, at least the one he hasn't destroyed yet. And he types up a great breakdown of his all pro team. And you know it's going to be legit when the mailman's behind it. We're going to get into that. Also, we're going to spin around the league. a lot of coordinator news, a lot of announcements, some other big news involving players as well and quarterbacks. So we're going to get to that.

And also, in just a couple of minutes, we're going to have RAP sheet joining us to talk NFL landscape. But before any of that, you've probably seen it online at this point on Twitter, if you're a fan of the podcast. But we have a big, big live show coming up. our second live show in the history of the podcast. The first one was in London last September. It was a big hit.

So we said we want to do it. State side, why not do it Super Bowl Week? So Thursday, January 31st, 8 p.m. Doors open at 6 at the city winery in Atlanta. The Around the NFL podcast goes live and in person in front of a studio audience. Not quite a studio, but a big audience. A big one. I mean, they said it couldn't be done.

I think the NFL, you know, higher-ups, they say we suck or whatever. We got to prove them wrong. We need the podcast listeners out there to come out in full force. It's going to be an awesome show. It was a great experience. I mean, selfishly, it's a great experience for us. But I think the listeners had a blast, too, in London. So we hope as many of you that are anywhere in the area can come out.

The information is on our Twitter page. It is the around the NFL Twitter page. It is pinned to the top. But it's at City Winery, which is going to, the drinks will be flowing. It starts at 8 p.m. should be a fun night. We need a lathered up raucous crowd because, A, I want to tell you one thing. The last time we did a live show, the man sitting in my right, Chris Wesleyan, brought not only just an A game, but a mysterious A game where I think he threw all of us for a bit of a loop with his live wire act. Let's paint the picture.

1989, Dice Man. 2004 Dane Cook That level Or he's just like slaying the crowd All right Yeah But the crowd's better than a cook crowd I mean I'm giving you even more credit

Than being Dane Cook Thank you I appreciate that I'm more meant in how The crowd just feeds off it Let's go Chris Chris Rock 2004 You want to rock a crowd

I'm gonna talk to the owner of Huckapoo's About getting a bus To just bus half of Tybee Up the freeway way to Atlanta and get them there for that Thursday night. Well, with that in mind, knowing that half of Tybee Island could show up, go get your tickets because they will not last. Citywinery.com slash Atlanta slash ATN is where you get the tickets.

And like Greg said, pin to top the around the NFL, Twitter page at around the NFL, all the info you need. So we're excited. Hit me up on the DM front on Instagram saying that they've already bought tickets. I mean, people are actively picking this up. It's not just to sit around for four days wondering, hey, maybe I'll decide to do this. I would act now or you will be on the outside.

We ran, yeah, we were. That was almost the threat. Yeah, we ran out in London. It became a tough one. It was a tough one. People sneaking in. It was unbelievable. And it turned into a Woodstock 99 situation in London. Just carnage after the show fires, riots, looting. That's what we're hoping for in Atlanta as well.

The post show was pretty impressive. It was. We had a good time and I'm sure the same thing would happen. So we'd love to meet as many of you as possible who are in Atlanta that week. Bowl Week. So there you go. Big announcement. All right. So let's get started. As promised, I mean, the guy, he's making waves in the industry. What else can I say? It's Ian Rappaport. Rapsheet on Twitter, the definitive information man, for NFL media.

What's up, my buddy? I'm surprised you guys are having me on, considering I have a competing podcast now. That is, I would say, threatening your fan base and your viewers base. It's a cute word. That's what I'll say. You definitely just broke the record for plugging your podcast, like, in terms of the time you've been on the show. You got it in within 15 seconds. That's impressive.

So I think you could have a future in this business, Ian. I reached out. Friends. It's available on iTunes. It's really anywhere you can download a podcast. I reached out to Ian. As an old friend, Ian and I go way back to the early aughts. And I said, hey.

Would he say that about you? You got that podcast going, the Rapture. sheet and friends. How about a little home and home? And you come on our show. I'll come on yours. Now, am I certain that Ian's going to hold up his end of the deal? In my mind, and I think maybe I should go on his show first, and then Ian comes on our show. Yeah, it did go through my mind. But ultimately, I'm going to see if Rap Sheets a man of his word, and if I will appear on Rapsheet and Friends. But right now, Rapsheet is on the Around the NFL podcast. Yeah, I think you'll be invited on my podcast. I thought about doing it when the Jets hired

gays but then you know did you everything got two books freddie kitchens took up a lot

of time it's a savvy move by for a guy that doesn't have friends to create a podcast where you

like hire friends to be there wow nuclear bomb truck now to be fair parapol and palcero are not actually making any money

off this it's not really hiring it's more like that's true it feels even we're even weirder to say

and friends when you have to pay them to be on the show so this does help in terms of the argument that Ian does

have friends. I just like the dynamic of rap sheet coming on our show providing in-depth breaking news and information and then Dan going on his show and doing something. I'm not sure what it is, Dan would be doing. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I think there's a lot of people probably wondering what Dan

actually does of anything. So, look, if he gets on the podcast, my podcast, I think the first question will be like, what would you say you actually do here? That would be fair. Well, if people want to know the answer, you'll have to tune in.

Ian, enough of it. I mean, go to Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast for a rap sheet and friends. It's fine. I've checked out a couple episodes. Let's talk some NFL because you are an information merchant, a pirate, some people say. And we want to talk to the man that knows things about some topics in the NFL. Why don't we start where we're at with the NFL coaching hires? Of course, we just have two teams now that have not officially made a move in Cincinnati and Miami.

We're going to get to them in a bit. But why don't we start with what's going on in New York with my Jets, the Adam Gase hiring? This was an interesting move, Ian, and one that wasn't necessarily popular at the fan base. Not exactly Adam Gase, you wouldn't say won the press conference, but at the same time, you hear better marks from when you talk. the people talk to Gase about the game itself and his abilities to make Sam Darnold the start because that's ultimately his job, isn't it?

I don't understand why the reaction was the way it was. I mean, the eye thing on Twitter, first of all, it's not cool to make fun of someone's appearance like that. I don't understand when that became normal, but I don't understand why the hire was treated like it was. I mean, his record in Miami wasn't great. I mean, his record is what it is, but he took the Dolphins to the playoffs in his first year

he spent the second year with the corpse of Jay Cutler who I mean basically went from his couch like delayed the production of his reality show and his career as a Fox announcer to come hang on the NFL for a little bit was Gase's guy though I mean Gase is the one that brought him in well yeah but I mean as opposed to what I mean I think he chose color over David failed You know, Eagles had foals, the dolphins had failed.

And I think that was, I mean, he was the best option they had. I don't know what else they would have done. And then the next year, this year, obviously it didn't go exactly as they wanted, but they also didn't have their quarterback for like six weeks again. And when they do have their quarterback, he's, you know, bottom third of the league, I think, when it comes to starters. So, you know, I have a hard time understanding how we judge his Miami tenure anyway. But for the Jets, I mean, his work with the quarterback has been great from, you know,

Tim Tebow getting him to the playoffs to Peyton setting the NFL scoring record to J. Culler, getting him to play like a normal human. To me, he's the perfect hire for the Jets. In his press comments, I mean, you know he didn't want to be there. Those press comments are terrible. One-on-one, just talking football, like Dan said, he is a million, million times better. And, yeah, that's all people seized on. And that's, as a Jets fan, that's something that you have to live with that people are going to hone in on stuff and then just, oh, this guy's a joke because he's attached to the Jets.

Oh, and look at the way he's looking around the room. Everyone, look at my mentions, where a disaster had to stay off Twitter for a couple days because everyone was having fun of the guy's expense. And I get the Jets fans that have some issues with the hire because it's not a slam dunk hire, in my opinion. But I'm open to it. And it's the first time they've went after a offensive-minded head coach in almost 25 years. So let's give it a shot and shut out all these idiots on the outside and all the cheap shot artists. And Mark, we're among those cheap shot artists. I mean, when a guy fails and then stays in the division and gets another job,

we're often among the people that are just like this. We're talking about two different topics. This is boring. I'm just saying that it makes sense to me that there's skepticism because his track. record wasn't good, including on defense. I mean, I think that's important that there were a terrible defense and his hires didn't work out there. So he has a lot to prove.

I think specifically with Gase, we've been in support of the move, at least wanting to see how it works out. Yeah, I meant cheap shop artists and the physical digs on him. Let's talk about the Browns, Ian, who, Freddie Kitchens, this has been quite a meteoric rise for Kitchens. I mean, it went from after they fire Hugh Jackson finally, when was it, October? There was like, oh, who are they even going to make the interim coach? And I went with Greg Williams, which led to a lot of laughter at the time.

And Freddie Kitchens wasn't even an option then. And now Freddie Kitchens goes from a guy that nobody knows about to OC to head coach to a guy that's already been coordinated as the next Rex Ryan in terms of this guy is the guy, the breath of fresh air that this city needs. It's been quite a rise. It's been amazing. And, you know, I've known Freddie for a long time. I'm almost positive. Almost positive he was there the night where my wife and I had our first real date in Starkville, Mississippi. He makes magic happen.

The poor woman. He does. What was he doing? He was cooking, or what was he doing? He was cooking. Well, I don't know. You said he was there at your first dinner. Like, what was his role?

Kind of looks like a short-orded cook. I mean, just, geez. No, he was a coach. He was a running back coach in Mississippi State under Sylvester Crum on a staff that had, Shane Beamer, who is Frank's son, that had Ellis Johnson, who then went to be Southern Miss coach. Amos Jones was a, obviously, special teams coach formerly the Browns, Woody McCorvey, who's Clems. They had some good people. But anyway, Freddie was there.

And so I've known him for a long time. And he's always been, in my mind, a really good coach. And I know he did incredible things resurrecting Carson Palmer's career that Bruce Ariens gets all the credit for. And he's always been someone that has. been respected in the, you know, in the rooms he's been in, like in Arizona, you know, before they all got run out of there when B.A. retired, he was a guy that the ownership really thought highly of it, I thought, would have considered for the head coaching job. And then in Cleveland, they almost made him the interim coach. And then, but anyway, all these things

didn't happen. And I'm like, well, maybe I was wrong listening to the people I listened to that. Maybe he's not as good as I thought. Maybe he's not as good as I was told. Maybe I'm just missing it because I happened to you know really like the guy and then he went out and did what he did on offense and it became clear that everyone else was just missing it I'm excited for what he's going to do

he's never promoted himself he's never sold himself he's missed out in a lot of opportunities because he's fine existing in the shadows and I think it's kind of cool that everyone gets us he would a good guy in that sense he is countercultural in the NFL because I'm sure you're getting pelted

left and right by you know coordinators and assistance, you know, Ian, how do I get to the next level? Is this, is the way this search went down? Because when it started, there was all this whispers that, you know, oh, Peyton Manning has Haslam's ear and it's going to be Adam Gase because there's all that going on. Or it's going to be, there's going to roll in Mike McCarthy because the front office has Packers ties. And with the way it shook out, does it tell you, with the one concerning Cleveland's times is the ownership, have the Haslums turn the corner? Is there any evidence that that's

part of how all this shook out? it's a good question and I think that's the you know of all of these hires the main thing is like can you trust ownership can you believe in ownership and you know

they came out and said Freddie Kitchens was the unanimous choice I believe he was the unanimous choice at the time they announced the decision I know there was some intense discussion about different options and you know I I don't think any of it is negative

because you need to discuss all this as an organization but I do think some of the analytics people like Kevin Stefanski his background, especially as it relates to analytics and, I guess, math and whatever, all that stuff really is. But what I believe is that... He's, like, great at algebra. John Dorsey wanted to hire, and the ownership listened to him. That's good.

And I think that is unbelievably important in Cleveland. One quick compliment to you that you were on a first date, and you won the woman when you were surrounded by what I would imagine to be a flock of alpha male NFL assistance and coaches. Nice job. Now, to be fair, my wife, who then at the time was clearly not my wife, didn't really care about football in general. So when I mentioned to her that this is where I would sometimes have a beer with coaches, she did not care. What's good. Let's spin through some more, like, NFL topics that are fun.

Hey, Kubiak and Elway was up with that? They're supposed to be best buddies. What happened there? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would say... Best friends, Ian. So probably be best buddies again. Okay.

Like, not as close as, you know, the immortal bond you share with Tom Pelliserro, but close. And Garifo, my other rap sheet, and friends, Tali. Unpaid podcast co-hosts. Well, I'm not paid. I mean, swag sometimes, but... But anyway, I would say that relationship will probably get better again. it was not going to work with Sanjio. I think one thing with Kubiak is, you know, he's a great coach

and has been a great coach on various levels, but he has a way that he wants to do things. And bringing in his guys like Rick Denison and his son Clint to be QB coach was something that, you know, was a prerequisite for him. And when Denver didn't do everything he wanted, I think it very quickly was like, all right, this is just not going to work. So Elway kind of made assumptions

that Kubiak would be cool at the setup and then Gary was like and by the way, sometimes you sleep on that and his name is Gary. He's the most Gary Gary, Gary out there. That is a problem my brother's going to love this guy. Yeah.

Gary was like, hey, actually... I mean, he's a Gary less guy. Actually, Gary wants to see what else is out there. Well, I think people call him generally just Kubiak. Which makes sense. People call him Kub. Who has to be called Gary in 2019, honestly? My favorite Gary Kubiak memory,

experience, existence was I was in Annapolis for training camp when the Ravens were playing there and he was a Ravens or C and I hadn't seen him or talked to him since he had that mini stroke on the sideline

remember that? Yes. With the Texans. My grandmother would say he took a stroke. What's that? Old people used to say you take a stroke.

Oh, he took a stroke. Yeah, it's weird. Go on. He certainly took the heck out of one man. And I hadn't seen him And so, like, I kind of walk around a corner in the stadium, getting there, and I see him, oh, and he goes, yep, still alive. That's good. Laugh at mortality.

You're right there, so definitely. What's Elway doing a quarterback? I would say that release, you will probably get better over. I didn't like, by the way, how there was little, I felt like there was a smear campaign against Kubiak the second that he didn't take that job. I noticed a few different reporters. You were one of a million that, like, noted that Kubiak didn't really have great, you know, numbers. the last few years. It felt like a calculated smear job.

Such his life. What's how we're going to do at quarterback? He doesn't seem to like Keenham anymore. It feels like they're open. I mean Keenom last year was obviously a disappointment. I think that's fair to say. I mean, you know, you could

sort of argue they got what he has given every other team except for Minnesota. Right? I mean, Minnesota's talent was very, very good. So maybe that's some of it. But they really signed him and he was exactly what they should have known he was. But they do seem open to it.

I think, you know, the main question is, like, are they going to get someone better? And, you know, when we thought Kubiak was going there, it was like, all right, were they going to get Placo? But are you, like, 100% sure that Flacco is better than Kina? It's a fair question.

Like, who actually, you know, like, I think Folds is better. but is Bortles? Foles is better. Teddy's worth a shot, maybe. Bortles is definitely not. Teddy's worth a shot. Bortles isn't worth it.

And before we go on, Ian. That's my thing. We'll see if they can get someone better. All right, go ahead. An early peak of free agency. Last topic here. And something that came up between us in the newsroom, what is Nick Foles' market going to be?

I mean, is this guy going to get mega-bucks, or is he going to get Case Keen of money? What are we talking here? He's going to get less. He should get more than K. Case got what? Two for 36, right? So 18 a year.

The weirdest thing about Foles is if you literally forget that the Rams ever happened, if you just say, all right, Jeff Fisher just ruined him for a year, his numbers are unbelievable, like top of the league. But in the minds of NFL people, it's hard for them to just forget that that happened. So I don't see anyone treating him like Kirk Cousins, where he's like the belt. He's still going to be a big story, but he's not going to be that. Have you heard any, like, teams associated, or is it too early for that?

I mean, the Jaguars are hiring John D. Filippo as their O.C. They need a quarterback. Like, that's going to be one of the quarterbacks they're going to explore. But as far as his contract, you know, my guess is it's somewhere between Keenum and the franchise tag. So that's franchise 25. Keenum was 18, so maybe in the 22, 23 range. like that. Ian, to your children, you have two little boys, do they understand what an insider

is? That's a good question. Absolutely, yes. We talk about it. When I get beat on a story, they will ask me why I didn't break that news faster. Oh, true. And break that news. They will, I'm like, they know, they will ask, like, do you break any news today?

And they know what it is. I love it. They are all about it. Apple doesn't far fall from the tree. I think they're already getting that competitive. That itch. Is your wife more, does she get annoyed with how much you stare at your phone? Or is she more like a Lady Macbeth type where she's pushing you harder and harder to take down the shepters and the glazers and all the others to be the true king of Information Mountain?

I have become a lot better at not mindlessly staring at my phone with nothing's going on. so there's not a lot of like why are you looking at your phone nothing's happening so either I'm working and looking at my phone and she totally understands that I'm in my office or I'm like taking a call and she knows it's important but I have in in life I have improved at not like putting the boys to bed and looking at my phone while I'm reading like you know the little engine that could or well and you have you have a podcast to tend to as well at this point so there's that yeah and what happens often is i have the um podcast equipment in my office and i'll walk in at jude who's my four-year-old will be just standing here wearing the headphones

talking to people uh very good hey ian rap sheet and friends podcast um special episode coming up very soon it'll be rap sheet and best friend starring dan hansis with ian rappelport that's going to be a great show we're all excited for that see yeah We'll see. Yeah, I'll make sure to get you on the schedule then. Absolutely. All right. Check it out on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast.

Ian, keep grinding, buddy. Thanks for coming on. Bye, guys. Thank you, Ian. Not really. There you go. Ian Rappaport, joining us. That was nice.

We got a lot more to get to in the news. So why don't we just spin through what's going on in the league? We'll start with Eagle. So we just talked about Nick Falls, obviously, and what's going on with him. the reason we didn't even bring up another option in terms of, oh, would the Eagles keep him? Well, Philly has already made it clear what their next step is behind center. Doug Peterson said it in a matter-of-fact manner on Tuesday, told the media, Carson is the quarterback going forward.

Carson Wentz, who missed the final five games of the Eagles season, including the playoffs with a back injury. Of course, last season, West, 2017, he had the ACL tear, which opened the door for Nick Foles becoming a legend, but the team is definitively stating right off the bat, Carson Wentz is still the man. Yeah, I think a few weeks ago I would have said to anyone this isn't even in discussion, stop blowing it out of proportion. Of course, they're going with Carson Wentz. By December of 2017, he was the single most valuable entity in the NFL from a player's perspective, and he was the lead MVP candidate at the time. He's got all of that potential. He's got all the physical tools. He has all the mental.

tools. This is your rock. This is who you build around. And then Nick Fools goes out and, you know, basically approximates what he did last year except for the super actually hoisting the Lombardi trophy. So I think it is a discussion. But to me, you have to go with the younger guy who's super talented. I think the details of Foles's contract situation has gotten a little lost in the shuffle, which is that the option in his contract, which they would have to pick up, is due three days after the season. So they would have to guarantee, they would have to be willing to pay him $20 million. And then even if they were willing to pay him that, and this is a team that's going to

already be over the salary cap, and there's just tons of veterans that they're going to have to think about and doing new contracts. And there's other ones that they would love to re-sign. They have as many free agents, I think, as any team in the league. Foles could have bought back his free agency anyways. What this move, the way that they said it so publicly, I think they're just going to do him the solid of just letting him go free, not make him pay $2 million back.

And the reason he got that contract in the first place was because he had so much leverage after the Super Bowl MVP season that, hey, let's do it for one year and we'll revisit it. And Foles made it clear in his comments that he wants to go lead a team. I love the way he, when you listen to Nick Foll's speak

and you see how his teammates speak about him, you really do think he's learned a lot over the years and he's said as much that he thinks he's learned on how to lead a team what's important to him about being a quarterback, and he's ready to go be someone starting quarterback, and I think the Eagles will say, thanks, you've got the statue, and we'll see you later,

and who knows, maybe he'll end up with the Jaguars, as Ian mentioned. Makes sense. The Philly's special statue. It is. Well, it's technically not the play. It's just kind of them talking on the sideline. Just chopping it up on the sideline. We don't even have confirmation that that's what they were talking about.

Well, you're going to find out that you will have confirmation, because everyone listening to this knows how absurd this. situation is. I invite them to tweet. What situation? I mean, I think a lot of the listeners don't even know what you're talking about. Because you're the only one who really cares. You're still holding on to some sandwich prop.

I invite all these 15-year-olds who have never seen the helmet catch to tweet at me. Me as well. Moving on, the Panthers, they have a big issue of quarterback. My goodness. Cam Newton dealing once again, as we know with a what could be a serious shoulder injury that would require surgery. and the team's new owner, David Tepper, addressed the local media, and he could not say with any certainty that Cam Newton would be ready for 2019.

And it leaves the door open, Mark, that Cam Newton could miss 2019 if he has another shoulder surgery. The door is open for that as a scenario, and that would be an incredibly big setback for this franchise. I mean, it's important to note that he wasn't offering facts. he was speculating because there is a wide degree of possibilities of what could happen if as we approach February and then beyond your quarterback is pulled into a shoulder surgery of some sort. And it does, you know, there are like remnants of what happened with Andrew Luck there and other stuff.

If that were to happen beyond the biggest loser being Cam Newton, I think it would be a very tough situation for Ron Rivera to have to go in the next year with something other than Cam Newton under center, you know, more to be seen here. They might be, you know, they would suddenly be in the quarterback market for guys like Bridgewater that could be a one-year solution or something. Because you would have to, you would have to not want to throw away the season. This is a team that's been a little under the radar is in dramatic overhaul. Thomas Davis, they announced that he's not going to be re-signed.

I mean, this is one of the franchise pillars. Ryan Khalil is expected to retire, one of the franchise pillars. It sounds like Julius Peppers might not be. back. And then you have this Cam Newton News. It's just a team with a lot of change going on right now. Let's head over to coordinator corner, starting with the Cleveland Browns, who have their head coach in Freddie Kitchens, but they also have a new OC, Todd Modkin, who was in the running for several head coaching jobs, did not land a job, but he lands in Cleveland as the OC with the Browns. And this guy has a lot of respect in the league. And he, this guy has a lot of respect

in the league, Mark. Freddie Kitchens, obviously, an offensive-minded guy. I believe he's calling the plays, but Munkin's a good guy to have in the room. I think if there's one encouraging overall result from the Kitchens' hires, that he's hired so far a very strong staff. And I think that Todd Munkin, if you look at his roots, he's got air raid roots, he's dipped in college concepts as his kitchens. And it's another added mind to go with Baker Mayfield. It's not someone that's going to press to take them in a different direction. He's going to add elements and add to Mayfield's game in that entire attacks game. This was a guy I really thought was going to get a head coaching job, so you

maybe don't have them forever if they continue to impress as an offense, but it's nice for this season. When's the last time an offensive guru at head coach handed over play calling duties to his subordinate, and then the subordinate actually improved on what the offensive-minded head coach was doing as a play caller? That's what happened in Tampa Bay this year. I was really impressed with how open their tight ends and wide receivers were throughout the season because Todd Munkin's offense ran so smoothly outside of the quarterbacks turning the ball over. It's a good sign that Kitchens too has kind of the confidence to hire a guy that you would think in theory could be a potential replacement was a hot coordinator that was the hang-up in the Jets hiring Matt Ruhle reportedly.

The Baylor head coach is that he didn't want to hire Munkin. I like a guy like Freddie Kitchens who's confident in himself, comfortable in his own skin. He should do, like, jeans ads or something. I mean, he fills him out. Like Wranglers. Yeah. Interesting comment. I could see a Kitchens doing a Wranglers commercial.

Yeah, for sure. The Jets, who we were talking about with Ian as well, they have, it looks like they're hiring Greg Williams. I don't know if it's official. It's official now. It is official now. Greg Williams, who last year, of course, was with the Browns and the year before that, he takes over his defensive coordinator, and it's a interesting setup for the Jets. You got Adam Gase, who is, as we know, an intense individual and has the ability to say what's on his mind and be blunt as we understand it and that behind the scenes can run people the wrong way.

And Greg Williams, who, you know, might be a crazy person. So what is the dynamic between Gase and Greg Williams? As far as the higher goes itself, I'm okay with it. He's an aggressive 4-3 type guy. The Jets need to mix things up, I think, on defense after a very down year. but I do have legit concerns about what happens behind the scenes with us. I like the said on the Twitter show. You were kind of tired.

The Bulls era was a little boring and that this is going to add some spice. Give it a little spice. Get Greg Williams saying weird things. The last thing we need is the New York media covering Greg Williams. Why not? Why do you say that? Because it's all going to be nonsense. It's going to be a 24-hour soap opera.

It's going to be a bunch of stuff that doesn't involve football. And that's going to be headlines for years. It puts a lot, just because it. the way that it is there, if they're losing quickly, you can just, they're just going to pick Williams apart. You know, you can't just see him taking one little thing that he says. In a Friday press conference, like they used to, I remember going down to New Orleans after they won the Super Bowl.

They would have Greg Williams speak on Friday afternoon at about 3 p.m. And it was to effectively bury him from the news cycle. This is after they won the Super Bowl. Sean Payton, and it was very transparent, didn't want Greg Williams making news that would kind of be in the air all week so they would put him as late as possible on Friday afternoon just to kind of screw over the newspapers

not have Greg Williams make news. I wonder if when you're a coordinator and you're Greg Williams and you only have that one little window to speak a week that maybe more is coming out because when he was like doing a lot of head coaching stuff with Cleveland over the last half of the season, there was really nothing. Yeah.

Maybe it's like if you bottom up too much, then he's going to explode with all these, you know, hot quotes. Who knows? Wes, you're a coastal guy now. You live in L.A., coastal cities. I know you're a Midwesterner at heart, but time to let go some of this anger you have toward New York. I just let it go, bro.

I feel like the media could do their jobs better. That's all there is to it. Do your jobs better. They are a very passionate group, the New York media. It's one of the only places that newspapers are still thriving a little, or at least surviving. Because they make up so much crap. I mean, what do you mean make up?

I don't want to name names, but there are certain... There are certain columns there that just make stuff up. But it feels like... I'm not going to name names, but of course there are guys that just make... I mean, you don't see that in Kansas City. You don't see that in Atlanta. And maybe, you know, maybe they are more entertaining at purveying news, but they just make crap up in New York.

Perhaps you are picking a couple or perhaps even one bad apple and painting a big broad brush of an entire industry in New York. Perhaps I'm not. That's all I'm saying. I would argue that the idea that's exclusive to New York is, that's right. It's not exclusive. It's definitely more, it's more, it's something you see way more often in New York,

and it really controls the entire industry. What's going on in New York? And I love it. I mean, look, this is going to be a situation. This is an especially combustible combination, and in a year and a half, we're going to be like, why did anybody think Adam Gase and Greg Williams were going to work? Well, there you go. I got some input out of you there.

So you don't think this is going to work out. I don't think anyone thinks it's going to work out. I do. I think it's going to be leading to many Super Bowls. Okay. That's where I come down. And I'm sure it will be covered in depth by the, you know, outstanding New York media. Moving on.

The Jaguars hire X Vikings, O.C. John D. Filippo is offensive coordinator. Wes, you love the Jacksonville media. Why don't you break down that market for us? The Jacksonville media? Yeah. I'm not sure they exist. That's so unfair. I would go as far as to say,

Florida Times Union has one of the best track records and legacies of great football writers who have come out of there, and they have great coverage at that paper. It's underrated. Top three underrated football newspapers in the league. You've got a rating of underrated newspaper? I'm going to. Journal Sentinel is number one, but they're rated highly.

I don't even know how that would work. D. Philippo, of course. was with the Eagles, and he flamed out with Minnesota. This, like Adam Gase in New York, seems like kind of a buying low stock move by the Jaguars and hoping they could restore a guy's lost luster after a bad year. We'll see if it works out. They seem like they didn't get some of the first people that they wanted,

and I think this ended up being a good fallback plan because DiPhilippa seems like he deserves another chance, and it really does connect them to Foles immediately. You just think like that just makes sense. because I really believe if it wasn't for Blake Bortals, this is injury last year, which kind of locked them into that fifth year option and then they gave a terrible contract.

I believe they would have gone after Kirk Cousins. Everyone believed that they would have gone after Kurt Cousins, but they were kind of stuck with Bortles. And now it just thinks like they're going to go after the top guy available, which is full. I mean, there's a little bit of a scapegoating situation with John D. Filippo, but the Jaguars know that well because they did the same exact thing to Nathaniel Hawthorne.

Finally in the news. Not Hawthorne. Hack it. Hack it. A lot of people, Nathaniel Hawthorne, operating in different circles, writing circles. Maybe you read him in the 19th and 10th grade. He's been scapegoated, too. A little bit. I mean, I was coming with a deeper message there about, you know, his books have been treated a certain way. Let's be honest. You don't hear enough about the old Scarletter these days. Finally, in news, you don't see this often a professional NFL player going on a morning, a morning show on national television in New York, West. What a horrible place that must be. and detonating his own career, Cody Parky somehow ends up on the Today Show

with his wife also miced up to talk about the setback that he suffered on Sunday missing the short field goal leading to the Eagles win. And it led to a conversation between Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace. They speak in a press conference. And they say this. We always talk about a we and not a me thing. We win as a team and we lose as a.

team i don't necessarily think it was a we thing so park he was already on the ropes did himself in and i just want to play one uh clip from the today show savannah guthrie because this is playing in my house in the morning my wife watches the i like savanna guthrie she does a nice job but also it's it's coming from a different angle a different spin when it's on the today show when it's savannah and hoda interviewing a place kicker here's what she had to say they have mvPs i think I think they should have MHP, most honorable players. You really showed what you're made of. I appreciate it.

Thank you, honey. Thanks for having. So that was the whole interview, basically propping up Cody Parky as a class act. It wasn't his fault, though. Oh, oh, yes, it was. Because you have to understand what the interview is going to be. And what it was was a man standing up in the face of adversity. His wife was there to talk about how Cody does his best and tries hardest.

And this is not going to go over well with the Chicago media, with the fans, and management very clearly. We have proof of that. This is the first time I've ever. I've only thought positive things about Matt and Aggie. I was, I thought that I was disappointed by the way that they talked about Parky. I understand that I can understand why a football guys wouldn't like how it went down.

But the fact that the Parkies decided to say yes to an interview and I watched it. And it was, you know, it's the Today Show doing their thing. And in Parki was there. I thought they're being incredibly unfair and scapegoating because if, it was basically any other position on the field that did a similar thing, they wouldn't cut him. They're cutting him because he had a bad year and because he missed a big kick. And the fact that he went on the Today Show to me seems very small of them. And they're almost like kind of punishing him and not like I just didn't get it.

I was really surprised. It's a bad decision to go on the Today Show. You don't have to say yes. But you don't need, but you don't either cut or keep the guy based on that. You have to be way more aware of your Cody Parky. there was it was kind of spinning his situation i see what now you say they were only in that game because of cody parky because he had a great game before that matt nagging that savannah guthrie told he was lucky he wasn't cut before absolutely but i think he has to know absolutely but i think

in that game he played well like he had a good game if that was your average what do you mean he missed the game winning kick but he also had a number of kick it doesn't matter the game from the line his job is to make it you're an NFL kicker made what you should be hit you should be hit you're a hitting 90% of your game. He had three of four, including, what, a 50 yard? That's not good enough. In the NFL, you have to make your kicks. My point is their defense gave up a huge drive.

If you want to talk about we, not he, their defense gave a view drive. Was his defense on USA or on the Taday show? His offense struggled, and you're kind of pointing him out here in this setting. Is this the only athlete that goes and has an individual interview somewhere else? If we're not jail and Remsey like 45 days in a row? After he blew the biggest game of the year, does he go on? Here's my one thing, and I get both sides, but it's like, part of the Cody parking message coming out of it was the fact that he went openly and spoke and answered every question, like by media, by the tough, hard-hitting Chicago media, who were all flamed up in flames about what happened with that game. And he's basically telling, I think, people that watch the Today Show or children anywhere, when you fail, you can either run into a foxhole and disappear, or you can answer to it.

Did you see it? Did you watch it? I watched like a clips of it. You should watch the whole thing. I will. I don't have a problem with it. It's not his fault necessarily. But what happened the way, I think he might have even realized that halfway through.

They were kind of raising him up repeatedly and saying what a great guy in class act he was. And it just was bad optics at a certain point. But you have to know enough to Wes's point, maybe just stay. I did my media duty on Sunday. I'm going to lay low for a little while because that's the way. I just don't paint him as some sort of villain. and that's all. I agree on the Today Show thing. And that could have been the taste he left in everyone's mouth.

Hey, you handled this really well as a stand-up guy. It's like you would never think about the firing just about a coach or anyone for the way they emotionally handle press. And so that to me does not really make sense that you're going to fire a guy based on it. It shows how emotional and understandably so, Nagy and Pace still were, that that pissed them off enough that they're like that. And they want to move on at that position very clearly. Dan, can I say something about New York? Yes.

It's the city in America. The Big Apple. It is the most impressive city I've been in in this country. It is the number one city. It's the Big Apple. I just think they cover football poorly. That's all. No, I mean, that's fine.

I'm going to, you know, defend my city where I'm from. It's a great, wonderful city, and I had the time of my life when I was there, and I'm dying to go back again. Some of my favorite, like, sports writers and reporters and people on air are from New York, too. Like, I get what you're saying. that things get blown up into a soap opera. But if you, I like that personally. Maybe it's because that's where I'm from. That makes sports more fun to me,

like what's going to be the back page of the post and the daily news and them being really plugged in on the Greg Williams, Adam Gase dynamic. Like for me as a sports fan, I'm into it. But that doesn't mean that's how everybody likes sports. Fair enough. I think we're in a good place now. Fair enough.

That's what's happening in the news. You want to go for a walk together? Sure. We can maybe run into Anderson Cooper. Well, that was a cheap shot. The deep cut. Mark and... I'm just sitting here over here,

I'm just quietly sitting over here waiting for the next, you know, portion of this show and just out comes a scud missile right in between the eyes. Why? Mark and Greg went for a jog at the owner's meetings like five years ago,

and then Anderson Cooper. I think that was when I was still living in New York. Came up... No, it was definitely not, Greg. You have your... Your memory on your life timeline is one of the most mystifying things in my life. But no, we ran into

Anderson Cooper. He could not have been nicer to us. And then we saw him later on that evening and he said hello again. So I consider us friends with a major media figure. He said hello again. There was a large, gigantic party and he just was like, what's up, fellas? Something along those lines. Hey, did you know

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Which, Mark, real quickly, 10 seconds or less, what is next-gen-stats? Next-generational statistics, apparently. I mean, no, it's... You're down to four seconds. It's the new wave of football analysis that shows the stuff we never could see before. Some wide receiver ran 180 yards on this route

and then drop the ball. Advanced analytics, yes, that's just about right. They put a chip in each player's shoulder pads that tracks all these different things, That's where we get a lot of the next gen. It feels satanic, but fine. Speed, quickness, how hard they're working. Separation.

Separation. Ability to close on a ball. Amazing, Mark. Greg, you love it. You're a guy, you know, get me to that Sloan conference. Let me dig into the data. So you love NextJet. I like some more than others, some stats more than others, certainly.

I think they would admit, especially the next gen portion. There's a lot of different analytics. Football Outsiders has been doing it for a long time, and I think it has a lot of great insights. Next Gen has so much info. It's like any scientific endeavor. It has so much info, and it's so early in its infancy, they're very early in the process of figuring out the best way to use it.

But teams do it. Teams use it. I think it's great. Some of the cornerback stuff is pretty great, especially in man coverage, like how close they are, who's throwing into tight windows, who's completing tough passes versus like easy passes.

It's good stuff. I almost think I'd love to work there and be kind of a mole where, like, I could put out some crazy stat that is totally not true. But, like, who's going to disprove it? Who's going to disprove it? Oh, Next-Gen stats says that Ezekiel Elliott actually ran for 842 yards in this game,

and here's the field with long red lines showing where he went. It's like, who's going to sit down and disprove it? Nailed it. Your colleagues at Next-Gen stats are going to be like, Mark, you can't just make things up. No, but I would be like, this guy is grinding. He's off in that. Mark, you're wildly fired.

Eight-floor room. You're giving us a bad name. You're so fired. You don't even understand. It doesn't even sound like that fun of a project, so I'm not going to do it. Yeah, it doesn't. All right. Wes, so break down.

You and Shook, our buddy Nick Shook, when I test versus next-gen stats. And what was your big takeaways? What were your big takeaways from this exercise? I think the positions that were really hard to pick. That was my biggest takeaway. The tight end was almost impossible to pick. I went back and forth between Kelsey and George Kittle. And you can even throw Zach.

Ertz in there, who is, you know, the most sure-handed possibly guy in the league. Record-breaking. Yeah, and that was one running back. I went back and forth on Ezekiel and Todd Gurley. I went back and looked at my notes and halfway through the season. I've got Gurley as the hands-down all pro, and then Zeke played better in the second half of the season. Even Punter was hard this year.

Can't just give it to Johnny Hecker every year. You and Shook both came down on the same side with tight end, ultimately. going with Kelsey, and you also both came down at Zeke. Where's this position where you and Shook were not on the same page? I'm looking at quarterback right off the top. I would say that's the most obvious one that I, if you asked me at Thanksgiving, I would have had Drew Breeze in this spot. But then the rest of the year, like Drew Breeze did not play that well.

And I think you saw in the game against the Eagles why Mahomes would be the pickover Breeze, because Breeze's arm limitation is real. He doesn't throw balls more than 30 yards, whereas Mahomes allows his play caller to do so much more. I think one of the things that was lost in Breeze's first 12 weeks is he made almost as many, or maybe more, low percentage plays as Mahomes. He wasn't getting credit for that,

like really tough throws, beating the perfect blitz, all of that. But Mahomes didn't have anywhere close to the sluggish final month that Breeze had, and a month is a huge time. So I don't think that was that close. What other positions, Wes? I was surprised, Wes, you didn't have DeMarcus Lawrence at defensive end, which is just a loaded position. And so you had Watt and who did you have?

Cleo Mac. In Cleo Mac. At edge rusher. They give you two edge spots. And I did want to put DeMarcus Lawrence on. I had he and Jalen Smith and Leighton Vanderash on my second team All-Pro, all three of those guys. I just thought that

Khalil Mack was a legitimate number two behind Aaron Donald. That's the guy you want. And JJ Watt, I mean, was J.J. Watt? I would have given Lawrence a slight edge and I thought it was interesting. Shook went with Von Miller, who under the radar had another great,

like, just Hall of Fame caliber type of year. I also asked that we not invite Shook into this segment to freeze him out and to magnify Wes's. Is there something weird? It's about me. In, like, football right now, that cornerback seemed very difficult to even figure out who is a standout. Because Gilmore is getting a lot of love, and I think he's had a great season. But it just doesn't feel like there's cornerbacks right now that are dominating because they make the, almost like the position so hard and so few play man coverage.

You went with Kareem Jackson, who had a great year. I mean, Shook went with Brandon Carr and Kyle Fuller. So it's not guys that you're thinking are having these. these Dorel Revis or even Patrick Peterson type of like dominant years. Yeah, my thought process was there's no real shut down guy right now. It's too hard. So there's no Dorel Revis. So do you go with coverage, tackling, big playability?

Like Kyle Fuller's your guy if you like interceptions and past deflections. I like the way Cream Jackson hit people this year. I thought he played exactly like Antoine Winfield used to play with the Vikings. He leveled so many wide receivers and tight ends and really set a physical tone for that secondary. The game against the Broncos that I saw him play was one of the most impressive defensive back games of the year. And I was just like, okay, this guy is just hitting people.

I think with your looking at going through both sides of the ball what you and Shook did, and I love this article because it's packed with information, and not just information pulled from statistics, but a year's worth for both of you guys are watching. I know Shook watches a ton of film too. But if the article in it is, I test versus next-gen stats,

I would say that you guys had similar results on maybe more than 80% of the players. What is your takeaway when the eye test and the next-gen stats are so similar? Doesn't that mean that next-gen stats is legit? I think it's a positive for next-gen stats. I mean, also I think Shook is part of Shook's eye test, too. I would imagine it's not just him leaning on

their results. Data. It's his own. Yeah, I think if you want to evaluate players to the best of your ability, you use your eyes first, always in any sport, trust your eyes, and then you back it up and check yourself with analytics, advanced analytics, and whatever data you can get your hands on. I think you also throw in anecdotes from throwing quotes from players and coaches

and, you know, endorsements from a guy like Bill Belichick. Throw all that into the stew, and then this is what comes out. And I think that's sort of why next gen. And the eye test are similar because you're checking yourself with each of them. Very good. And again, this needs a vanity URL. Does it have one? Because we got to get on it because I can't even send people to NFL.com Wessling or NFL.

com shook because it's a co-byline. It's somewhere in the abyss between those two. It's in the abyss. Yeah. Let's see. Last year it was under NFL.com all pro, I think, or all pros. Well, let's hope that's what it is this year. It is.

I'm really nervous. Not. Oh, my God. All right. Let's get on. Let's talk to programming. check out Wes's Twitter account

and Shook you could get the links there absolutely the all-pro team vanity URL NFL.com slash all-pro team You can also get there with hot bod and the close horse that'll take you right there

Hot bod and the clothes horse Sounds like a fan morning Wait how come Shook gets first billing? I don't know talk to the original content department Oh I'm close horse in this name I mean your body's nice too Ben, you're up against Shook.

I mean, come on. All right, there you go. So check that out. Great work by Wes and Shook. Finally, this is fun to check in every once in all because, you know, we're a football podcast, but we're people, too. We got lives outside. Not great ones, but like we have lives outside of why are you, Mark, do you have a great life outside of the podcast? Like, is it like a dynamic Indiana Jones type of venture for you?

I think it's fought with some issues, but I mean, in the vet, compared to the vast majority of people that are truly struggling. I think it's pretty easy. I was kind of basing it off you with the Dark Lake reference. No, I think, like, I mean, if you want to focus solely on oneself, we all could find negatives if you wanted to.

I'm not, I'm tried not to do today. Just for today. Okay. The point being... That was my favorite minute. What is going on? What are we into? In fact, I like to call this segment.

Content. Ingestion. Update. Television. Internet. Movie. Music. Fox.

all right so that i mean that's pretty self-explanatory isn't it gregg the internet got thrown in there i like that yeah that covers a lot of bases i wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything so uh we'll start with you gregg what is the content that you're ingesting the most right now well one not one just that i enjoyed the most was the favorite this is like what is that it's a movie starring rachel weiss and emma stone movies two greats and uh two greats and one of some of their best roles and then Olivia Coleman, who's going to win all the awards, I think, who played the queen in this. It'd be like if it's one of the funniest, like, kind of body, like, cold-blooded movies, I can remember, very dark humor.

It's like a queen's, you know, Pride and Prejudice setting or something if it had, like, the script of Reservoir Dogs. Like, it's just people go and add it, and it's hilarious. Sold. I'm, and I feel like people see it, and it's like, oh, a Queen movie set in the 1800s, like, ooh, that sounds. like a slog, but it's the opposite. It's like raw and hilarious. Dan, every time I go over to your house, you always have a nice period piece,

a three or four hour. Might as well as BBC miniseries, whatever. Where would this, has he attracted you with this description to go see it in the theater? Like, it's a comedy. It's one of the funniest movies.

I trust Greg's judgment with popular culture. Pretty much, in all cases. I do. I think he has a good radar for it. Wow. I'll check that out. All right. Wes, you're up.

Well, after not reading any books for five months, they're back in my life. So I have that going on. But what I would tell other people, I think they'll get more out of the show you on Netflix. All right. Keep going. Television. Because of your feedback, I watched the pilot last night, in fact. Go on.

I was worried after the pilot that we were getting sort of a Dexter knockoff. that it was going to be too derivative and after sitting through Lakeish and I watched this in about four different sittings so we'd watch two or three episodes at a time and after every sitting I would have a different like confidence about where the show was going

and I was wrong every time it keeps you guessing I thought it was really smartly done and good acting and there was at least two or three times in the first season where I had to leave the room and walk away

because mentally, psychologically, I couldn't take the show. Whoa. I mean, Penn Badgley's back. You thought he was gone? This is Craig Scott. He's an OC legend. I mean. Offense coordinator?

Between the OC, you know, the classic mid-2000s Fox show that changed the game. And he hasn't been in the mix that much. He's back. I watched the first episode. I haven't actually seen the show, but I just like that he's around. You convinced me to go back in. Oh, good, good. Did you have the same thing that you thought it was a little too close to Dexter?

Yes. And a lot of times, you know, when you're in the married situation, trying to find a show that you can both watch together. And I don't think Simone was a roaring fan of the first episode. So maybe we will try again. I'll throw on up. You're so crazy. But, damn, what was your reaction to the first episode?

I liked it. I thought Badgeley was good, as I knew Greg would want to hear that. The actress that is in the first episode, I don't know if she's the star of the show also, but she's awesome. I'm way into her. And, yes, there was some concerned about the way of the episode ended. And my wife watched it with me. She was on the fence.

I said, let's give it three episodes and we'll see where we're at. But I am in on you. I can't figure out, like, I'm not saying it's the Sopranos. Like, I'm not saying it's that well done, but it's certainly gripping. Yes, it's fun. And it's got a good vibe to it. And I could be underselling it. Maybe it will end up being soprano.

Let's remember. it was David Ely that rolled through our news or not to you necessarily but days ago made the recommendation Well, where did David Ely

get that information from? Probably from Lakeisha or Wes Lakeisha. I'll throw out Ely's worth Oh, good one. I'll throw out

another TV show television. This is basketball, a love story. ESPN really ambitious, hyper ambitious. Dan Clores

was the mastermind behind it. He's done 30 for 30s in the past for ESPN. But if you're an NBA fan, this is unbelievable. It's a 20-hour series, 62 short stories. And I have not gotten through all of it, but I've been watching. I've watched probably half of it now. And the vignettes or the short stories on the first draft lottery, the Dream Team, MJ and Phil Jackson, the Lakers dynasty of the early 2000s and the one that I really, really enjoyed and cannot recommend enough is the study of the decision, the LeBron James disaster from 2010, which really digs into the whole history of it, even though ESPN was the major machine behind making it as obnoxious as it

was, they pull no punches in breaking down what went wrong and why it was such a bad idea. And it also served as a reminder that even if you're LeBron James, you can make horrible mistakes in your early to mid-20s. And they have LeBron James. They get every big basketball name involved that you can imagine other than really MJ to speak on camera for the series. So it let me think, oh, I wish the NFL had something that was this dynamic. So a basketball loves story.

I'm sure ESPN is re-airing it. And it should be landing on streaming services at some point if it's not already there. That is my suggestion. Well, why do you think MJ did not, was not unwilling to be part of this? I mean, he's MJ. He was either probably held a grudge against Clores or just didn't want to do it. Well, they're doing, aren't they doing a huge documentary on him? A huge, like, O.J. length.

They are doing it. Jordan won. And so maybe he's sort of committed and trying to screw everyone else to that. I've been looking forward to this one. And I noticed that, like you said, just breathlessly ambitious. to do that much. My one concern was how much new stuff are we getting? Is it just a lot of hashed over stuff?

I mean, a lot of stuff is going to be, you know, the Dream Team, for instance. We've heard about that a million times, but it's done in such a really well-done way in terms of the amount of effort, the people that they talk to. It's just, you could tell it was a project that took years to accomplish. And the guy has enough contacts to get all the people that were involved on the record talking about it looking back. I want to check out that. Magic Jackson.

Start off. Yeah, it's awesome. Oh, good one. Oh, thanks. All right, Mark, close us out. Mine is, falls into the book category. Box. There we go.

And I, one thing about living in Los Angeles is that I love true crime. And L.A. is underrated on that front compared to, I think. Sometimes people just think it's New York and Chicago with the mafia and whatever else is happening. But L.A. has some incredible. L.A. is the best for true crime. I think it is. I don't think I knew that before I moved here. But there are, you can drive down any street in the city and there is history attached to it.

And it's the mix of crime mixed with Hollywood, too. All of it is a bizarre cocktail. And yesterday was the 72nd anniversary of the Black Dahlia murder. Elizabeth Short was her name. Are you confessing? I am not 72 years old and I would not do such a thing. But I will say, whoever that lady. is. Is that Fraggs? It sounds like Frags. Fantastic. Well, this book that I have read,

I read partially and I've circled back and finished it called the Black Dahlia Avenger is written by a decades-long retired L.A. police detective who covered some of the biggest cases ever and rose up through the ranks and had a father, his name was Steve Hodel, and he had a father named Dr. George Hodel, who was like a child genius who, like at age 16 was penning insane columns for the old LA, not even the LA Times, whatever else it was, the LA mirror or something, and he would ride around in the night and cover crime and wrote these incredible vignettes, and then just dropped it and became like a doctor, and then would drop that and become something else. He was like he couldn't stay with anything for long. And Steve Hodel, after his father's

death, learned through various other family members, and I won't get too deep into it, but also through records and research that his father, and this is the biggest unsolved case in L.A., history, the Black Dahlia murder, that he is convinced, and it's not just, you know, just thinking this out of thin air, that his father was the Black Dahlia murderer. And the book, I went in, I was, I'm going to be super, like, suspicious going in because no one solved this thing. There are now, because the LAPD will not allow anyone to be named the killer, because it was an embarrassment to the LAPD for so long, but there are multiple retired retired, like, district attorneys who basically say case solved.

And if you're into this stuff, if you read this book, it is incredible how he paints it. But it's not just that. He goes on to trace him to stuff when he lived in Chicago and stuff up in the Bay Area that has elements of the Zodiac

because he lived all through that time. There is so many commonalities that you kind of think, oh, there's all these millions of these people out there doing this, that sometimes it's not millions of people. And it is a book that very few books have scared me.

there is one this is one of them where I had to put it down because it got into my head a little too much because it's happening right here in LA it's a great read

well that's oh my God Mark stop it that's a ringing endorsement about Mark if Mark has to put the book down I want to pick it up

I love those son clips that sounds like a little sounds like a little thing on the back of the book yeah a little sleeve all right there you go that's our content ingestion update

for January 2019. That's it for today's show. Yes, again, live show. Thursday night, a Super Bowl week in Atlanta at the City Winery. Come, join us. We'll have a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun stuff planned for the show already and more to come. So check that out.

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