NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Ravens-Chiefs TNF Recap and Week 1 Picks

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to recap the Chiefs beating the Ravens in the 2024 season's kickoff game. Gregg and Jourdan start off with a break down of the game's wild finish (2:02). Plus, Gregg and Jourdan react to the Chiefs offense hitting the ground running to start the season (15:42) and Lamar Jackson's desire to run the ball (32:20). The show is wrapped up with Gregg going head-to-head against Cynthia Frelund's Week 1 picks in Man vs. Model (42:18). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So lucky today to be joined by Jordan Roderig. We are going live on YouTube. So hello to all the people out there watching on YouTube, but most of you listening to us in your ears, Jordan, I apologize to the gods at the NFL for ever doubting that this should be the game. I was like, oh, why you want to burn Ravens Chiefs right off the bat? This was an incredible way to start the season. And I'm so happy to be starting it with you.

I know. It lived up to all the hype that I had in my brain about football being back, and to use my Greg impression. I'm so happy. We texted in the second quarter about halftime. We talked on the phone for a minute, half time just to catch up on just ideas and thoughts. And both of us just took kind of a moment and just that, oh, so happy right now.

Like football being back. And it's this, this, these stakes and to my goodness, we're here. We're back. We're such dorks. And yes, I'm a dork. I'm like sending out the link as we're actually posting it. I know. I'm trying to like activate my screen here.

Sorry, ETP behind the glass. I am so excited to go through this game, but I think the easiest way to do it is, yes, we'll start at the end, but we'll also take a lot of lessons from this game and talk about what we learned in this game. And, you know, the first thing I'm going to say I learned in this game is something we've known, but I think it's even more true now than ever, which is that the Chiefs can win in so many different ways. And yes, you could say

they got a little fortunate at the end of this game. Lamar Jackson missed a couple open receivers in the end zone. Ravens are trailing 27 to 20. They get the ball with no timeouts with one minute in 50 seconds. They have to drive the length of the field.

He makes a nice throw down into the red zone. They waste a lot of time on a Zayflower's catch and then he misses a couple receivers and then yes, he delivers a ball to Isaiah likely, who is just out of the end of the end zone. Let's listen to Mike Tarrico making that call

and then unfortunately the call by the referee right afterwards. He's rushed four. Lamar trying to make magic happen. Throw an end zone. Whiteway, two feet down. Yes. Touchdown.

What a play. The runner's toe. of bounds. It's an incomplete pass. The game is over. Kansas City is won. 27 to 20. The Chiefs win on opening night. By a toe. So that was the call from Mike Tariko. What like a roller coaster of emotions there? This felt like a game to me, Jordan, that the Chiefs should have won. that they probably were the better, more under control team throughout. And yet, at the end, everyone is gassed. Week one is so much different than other weeks.

And the Ravens are going to look back on this as a missed opportunity. Yeah, a couple of missed opportunities here. I think particularly the second half, you know, the new Zach Orr-led defense, when they said he was 32 on the screen, I knew that. This is not a lesson. This is not something I didn't know. but I had an existential moment thinking about that.

I'm 32. I have not done anything like this is. And I was impressed with his defense the first half. They had some busts. The second half, they had some issues. Obviously, Xavier Worthy second touchdown was a huge one in that regard. It looked like Marlon Humphrey was seeking some safety help there. And Xavier Worthy got behind him.

And it just, it reiterates how if you leave the door a crack open, or if you miss a throw or if you have, you know, a size, you know, for 14 and a half shoe instead of a 14, like the chiefs will make you pay for it. This is not anything we didn't know, but man, was this a good game? This was a fun game. I'm heartbroken for Isaiah likely. He had an incredible, incredible game and seemed to really get hurt at the end there landing on his shoulder. Then he comes right back in.

He went back on and really gritted it out and made such a gutsy, play and it just, you know, by that much, it just kills you, but that's football. So I was planning to talk chiefs to start the game in general because they're the defending Super Bowl champions back to back. They won the game. For a lot of this game, they felt like they controlled it. And yet I actually do want to start here because we're on it with likely because to me, he was a revelation in this game. Nine catches for 111 yards and absolutely sick a 49-yard touchdown catch where he just makes an absolutely ridiculous

hezzy. And it was just a strange night from the Ravens' offense that they were waiting for insane individual plays by a handful of players. So it was Isaiah Likely, Zay Flowers, and Lamar Jackson. And Lamar ran for 122 yards in this game. He threw for 273 and a touchdown. And yet it felt a little scattered, a little uncomfortable for him.

I'm curious if one of your takeaways from this game, because this is another thing that I'm going to say that I learned in this game was it was almost too reliant on Lamar Jackson's legs, that this formula, at least on Thursday night, running the ball 16 times for 122 and taking a lot of hits, was probably too much. Like they were counting on his playmaking too much in this game.

Yeah, I think that you saw him at times, check into runs as well. I thought that it was, honestly, I think that once he irons out the rest of it, I think that this will be really special to watch for him, a really special season to watch for him, because you saw him take that ownership of this offense, and you don't just check into runs because you say so.

You are allowed to do that because you're collaborating with your coaching staff to do that. So it's not like he was just playing hero ball. like this was the game plan, right, to give him the option to do so. If he saw it, he clearly saw tons of space, 122 yards, like you said, and 7.6 yards per carry on 16 carries. And, you know, they had a hard time containing him. If he had, this is the thing that I am stuck on because Isaiah likely is such a great

partner for him. I mean, the ad libbing that they did together on that touchdown, you know, I called it the Matador move where he sort of stood at the side, at the goal line and just allowed the defender just whoosh right by him. and walked in for the touchdown. But that was an, like, Lamar made a spot throw on that play. He was working out of structure

and escaping pressure like he was often. And particularly, you know, through to a spot that he knew Isaiah likely would be because the two have worked at it together and they've ad lib. But I think once he gets another, one more element that shows up, one more element that comes alive,

gives dimension to this passing. Because you could tell they were trying, they thought they were going to come out and run the ball a lot, but they couldn't at a certain point because they fell to a deficit. And then Lamar took matters into his own hands. And again, he's given the autonomy to do that.

And he had the space to do that on the field. It's just you need one more dimension here. Yeah, let's listen to Mike Tariko on the call for NBC on that long Isaiah likely touchdown, which got the Ravens back in the game when they were down by a couple of scores in the second half. Quarter begins with second and 17 in the Chiefs leading by 10. Jackson, chased by Chanel, and Carlopness to likely downfield. Isaiah likely with a block down the sideline. Lately inside the five to the end zone.

Touchdown Baltimore. Lamar kept it alive and likely finished the run. And the Ravens are right back in. So, yeah, that came when it was 20 to 10. Very first play of the fourth quarter. Likely is, what, a third year player. and I think anyone that took him in fantasy leagues and anyone that took Mark Andrews in fantasy leagues

is wondering like, who got the one and who got the two? Because when I'm watching this Ravens offense, I'm thinking, man, they are so reliant on Zayflowers to be big time and that likely could be the next most dynamic player and tight ends take a little while to develop. I would caution Mark Andrews very quiet in this game. He was on the field a ton. He just missed two entire weeks of practice

after a pretty serious car accident. So this is kind of a preseason game, except you have to play 60 snaps for a lot of players. So just hold off on making too many takeaways there. But I will point out, we talk 12 personnel if you are with us on NFL daily, like back in mid-July, one of our very first shows with Nate Tice, where we just totally dorked out. And Jordan, you talked about how many more teams are going to use 12 personnel more. Well, I've got some numbers for you from next gen stats. the Ravens had two tight ends, one running back on the field in over half their snaps tonight, 52%, which would have led the league by far. And I don't know if they're going to do that every game, but I do think we're going to see more heavy sets.

It's certainly something the Chiefs like to do, too. They had two tight ends 36% of the time. Noah Gray was really big for them. I want to throw it to you to give me more of a Chief's takeaway and lesson, because we should give the two-time defending champs. They're flowers. They got it done. the toughest matchup possible in week one at home. I know it's a tough spot for the Ravens,

but ultimately it's a tough spot for the Chiefs, too, to start this way. So a great, great way for them to start their season. Yeah, and segueing into that, too, like, I want to give Dave Merritt, the Chief's defensive backs coach, his flowers here because I think a big, a big, you're like, I didn't see that jersey. You know, he, I think, deserve some flowers here because there was a clear, you know, there's a clear plan to try to get some of these downfield guys at least try to get them open, get them looks at there was at least some element of that from the Ravens game plan, particularly once they set up some of the play action and those types of things. But you saw pops and flashes from a couple of these chiefs corners, a couple of these DBs.

I'm thinking in particular of a play where I thought, I need to go make sure I know and reiterate who the DB's coach of this football team is. Obviously, Steve Spagnolo deserves a ton of credit for his game plan. But specifically with that position after Legerius Sneed leaves, you know, I'm looking at Jalen Watson, that play he made downfield against, I believe it was Zayflower. So ironically, I'm saying give Dave Meredith's flowers. Little underthrown, though. Little underthrown there by Lamar. That was two straight throws in this game, and it was a bit of a trend that Lamar had an up and down game throwing the ball down the field, missed a lot. I think missed a few throws down the field.

But you're absolutely right. Great closing speed there by Jalen Watson. And it's just like what they do is they uncover these cornerbacks. And there was a second awareness or a second effort by a lot of these players on the Chiefs that comes with experience and playing together as a unit and also coaching in the same continuity for a long time that sometimes in the second half you were a little bit concerned about and even a point in the first half, the second effort push for Pacheco that touchdown, the rollover. I mean, that's a really hard play to be aware of in the first place. But you just saw some of the Chiefs defenders and the DBs particularly make some of those second effort plays that I'm actually sure. You know, I would imagine the Ravens are going to be talking about tomorrow morning or Friday morning in the film room about, okay, well, you know, how do we follow through here? What do we do here? I was like to put a cap on the Ravens here. I was impressed in the first half with that defensive unit. They looked a lot tighter than I thought they would be. But then obviously it's Patrick Mahomes. What are you going to do? I mean, the guy is rebounding his own batted pass. I thought Trenton Simpson was going to give the Ravens a chance. And he kind of did there. He gave him a chance. But Patrick Mahomes, like, won a contested catch. you know.

Okay, let's stop you right there. Let's set it up for the listeners of this situation. Very interesting. The Chiefs get the ball back. The Ravens have no timeouts at this point. We'll get to that later because it's one of my big takeaways. But the Chiefs get the ball back. I think it was with over five minutes to go.

But they have a first down with about three and a half minutes to go. They run the ball in first down, two yards for Pacheco. Get a little conservative, perhaps, run it again on second down. with Carson Steele. Am I getting his, like, do I have this name memorized by now? Carson Steele. He was a fun presence in this game, but he had no chance on that play.

Rokan Smith breaks into the backfield and gets him for a two-yard loss. Suddenly, you're third and ten. It's one of the reasons why I love Andy Reed. A lot of coaches in that spot would call something safe to keep the clock moving. It's two minutes and 40 seconds left. It's third and ten.

You're on your own 30. Calls a regular drop back. Mahomes doesn't. see anything, finally sees a receiver flashing over the middle, and here's what we hear on the call. And sometimes games come down to Trenton Simpson, who I thought had a really good game. He's Patrick Queen's replacement. I'm looking forward to rewatching this on Friday. But to me, he flashed and showed a lot of the athleticism in the running game

and a couple times in the passing game. And that could have been the game winning playoff. The ball just bounces a little different and he's able to catch it. But instead, you see a quarterback with a contested catch. He's got to finish with the highest contested catch percentage in the NFL this year. Mahomes should finish one for one. And that not only kept the ball with the Chiefs, which was massive, but kept the clock moving to the point where the Ravens only had a minute and 50 seconds left after the Chief's punt to go down the field or else, you know, who knows, the Ravens are in great shape there. So that was just a fun athletic play by Mahomes in a game where, like, he finishes 20 for 28 for 291, one touchdown, one understretched.

on a truly bad decision, which could have cost them late in the second quarter. He also has two rushes for three yards. And you think, like, oh, that's a pretty pedestrian game. And yet he was awesome in this game. You felt like other than that one interception, he had total control and he had Patrick Mahomes. Are you more optimistic? Do you have any, like, takeaways about this Chief's offense after watching them in this game? Oh, my God, yes.

So many, so many, because this was a team we talked about all freaking off. season about, oh, what are they going to do with this new group of receivers and, oh, what's Pacheco going to, what's his role going to be? And, oh, you know, is Kelsey washed? And he didn't get a ton of action this game. He was blocking a lot. And then he had that ad lib play speaking of, you know, tight ends and quarterbacks ad lipping together, a great ad lib play, one of their classics that, you know, they throw out once every couple weeks or so between Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes. But, you know, this, this was Xavier Worthy's. debut into the public eye, he had two touchdowns off his first three touches. And like,

let me hedge for a second or caveat or whatever the correct word is at, you know, late at night when we're, when we're recording this. But one of those was a blown coverage. You know, Marlon Humphrey was looking for help in the back, the deeper part behind him in the field and fine. That was on the 35-yard touchdown in the second half. That gave them a two-score lead again. That was kind of their answer to that. likely long touchdown that we just talked about, yes. Yes, but I think more proof of concept of what the chief's offense is really going to exploit and try to do this year was evident on the first play, his first touch of the game,

the touchdown, and it was the fake handoff to Pacheco, and it was a reverse to Xavier Worthy. He got an escort block from Noah Gray, who just signed an extension, by the way. And that speed and navigation through his downfield blocking, which was prodigious at that point and really started with that tone setting block by Noah Gray. It just was, and it was, it was a short, it technically was a quote unquote short yardage play. What a lot of people have talked about with the chiefs all off season is the explosive pass. So air yards pass and explosive pass play and getting behind the defense, which again, on the blown coverage, he did get behind the defense quite literally. But in stuff like what I've been sort of honking about all off season is I think you're going to see some of this Dolphins-esque combination of speed and timing footwork and quick throws in order to exploit the middle of the field in ways that deep passes actually can exploit the moment, just depending on if your receiver can actually get to the spot of the throw or in this case, use the speed and the downfield blocking to take a what is a short, technically a short concept, this reverse. and turn it into a huge gain and in this case, a score.

And I want to go to a statistic that I was sort of monitoring throughout the game because this is where speed really matters. Sometimes we look at throw time and we're like, oh, throw time. Oh, my God. You know, all he does is check down. That's actually not the case here. I looked in the third, like late in the third quarter because I felt like the way the game

was trending, maybe you're going to watch the Chiefs try to close things out in the fourth quarter. I thought this game was going to end quickly and the Chiefs were going to come quickly. We were texting and I was wrong about that. It did end quickly, but it was a lot of action. But, okay, so at that point, late in the third, when I, when I checked in, I'm looking at my piles of notes here, by the way, you can, you guys can all laugh at me for what a nerd I am. So in 2023, Patrick Mahomes was throwing, his average time to throw, according to next gen was 2.97 seconds. That was above league average, which was 2.8. through those three quarters of this game,

he was at 2.62 seconds per throw on average. However, his yards per attempt was 10.5. So, and for comparison, Lamar Jackson at that point was also at that exact moment, was also at 2.62 seconds per throw, but was at 5.5 yards per attempt. So basically. Yeah, they didn't conduct and they were afraid of their offensive line. So it's a total difference in what's,

what they're doing is they're using sort of what the dolphins have showed and that that reverse was by the way looked like a very dolphinsesque play and I'm sure other teams will now borrow it from Andy Reid because that's just how this goes. He got to go first and now people are going to steal from him. But this is about exploiting the way that defenses drop from back to front or the way they have to back pedal from front to back. Depending on the type of footwork and the type of throw, they see the quarterback making depending on the cadence, depending on the motions. And if you have speed players, the way that the chiefs now do and the way that the dolphins do, but the way especially the chiefs now have showed that they do, you can basically make the

plays look like they will require either a deeper drop from the defender or it's the type of footwork that makes you think that they're either going to go or they're going to go quick game and then all of a sudden the speed of the player whips them around behind the defender because they've dropped too deep. You can disguise things when you have speed like that. you can disguise the type of throw and speed throw or not that you're doing. And that's what you could kind of see Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs offense do because you're seeing them open up the middle of the field, less so maybe even the deepest parts of it,

but actually the middle of the field using all of this game-changing speed in combination with some of the ways they're layering their concepts and also some of the misdirection that they're using pre and at snap. And all of those things in tandem are great. But if you have that game-altering speed like we saw with, Xavier space on the field that would not otherwise be open with the exact same concepts are going to be open and the player is getting there faster the quarterback can get the ball up fast.

Mahomes talked about it to Mike Tariko. I thought that was very telling that. And I know you were excited about this because this is something that you were talking about in the off season, how the speed can open up some of the shorter routes. And that was exactly what Mahomes. So you, Patrick Mahomes, roughly equivalent in terms of football minds. No, no, no. And it's telling that he said, but to your point, some numbers.

on that. The only deep throw he had all night was that busted coverage touchdown. But it was actually one of the only three touchdowns that he's thrown over 20 air yards since Tyreek Hill left, which is totally insane. Three and two years in a game, that's insane. But he was four for seven in the intermediate area. He did have that interception there, but they had 94 yards on those seven throws. And a lot of the biggest plays came on that. Noah Gray is going to be involved. We'll see about Kelsey. I'm not worried that he had a quiet night. To me, it's cool to see him out there blocking his ass off at 34.

As someone that was always a, Travis Kelsey is not even in the same ballpark of Rob Gunkowski in terms of how dominant a player is. It's been pretty awesome to see how Kelsey has evolved. And it's just a total dog. And there will be some games where he's quiet. You only have 34 yards receiving in this game. But you mentioned worthy.

And we don't even have Mark East Brown in this game. He's injured and it's probably going to be back in week two or three. It does not sound like it's going to be longer. And that was my takeaway just as the Chief's Juice is back. Reed's spit in the dial. A lot of funky fun formations. A lot of creativity. I think Worthy's helping that.

I think Carson Steele's going to help that. I think Noah Gray getting better and better is going to help that. And obviously, Mahomes can handle everything. But Worthy is the key to everything. And it's not about like, oh, the bills gave up. Worthy and what a dope. We'll see. I think Worthy's going to have a great year.

I said it. I was high on worthy coming into the draft. He was one of my guys I thought was underrated because he just wasn't a speed guy. But he is also a speed guy and he can be set up on touchdowns where he doesn't have to do that much. Let's hear the first one because that was to me kind of his welcome to the NFL but in a positive way moment.

His rushing touchdown early in the game. Take it away, Mike. It's a name plate there. That gets you the 15. It wasn't inside the opening. This is the speedy man. Xavier Worthy, the fastest man to the end zone right away. His first touch, a Kansas City touchdown. Oh, man! We needed our auto racing guys here to call this one. Watch him take this turn. 4.21 seconds. No more worries about whether or not Kansas City has any speed. Beep, beep, here he comes.

Oh, you can honk about Chris Collinsworth and you could be, oh, this guy's too folksy or whatever. I love it. Honk, honk, golly. I'm into it. And by the way, you don't have to use the word honk. I saw when you say honk, you said honk, you said it with a little smirk or almost distaste on your face as if, like, it's a rule that we pass out when you, you know, sign up with NFL daily that you have to say honky. You have to say honk. Must honk this much to participate.

Right. So, okay, so again, I'm, I'm peeking out over this. We're going to go deep on this show. Keep going. I'll take it. By the way, great rookie class, great rookie class performance by the Chiefs and Brett Veach. I want to talk about that in the highlight. When people go back and watch this game, again, watch number 83, the at snap motion slash movement that he does in order to basically, he basically moves open that hole with the immediate movement of that motion. And then he flips all the way around and comes back across as almost like an escort blocker, but he already opened the gap. So basically a

pre-escourt blocker. And so then he and then he sets the first part of that gap with his block. So that's this type of stuff that happens in the middle of these plays that like Andy Reid is a mastermind of because it's not just about Xavier worthy. And, That was a fantastic moment. By the way, I saw a clip of Patrick Mahomes making sure going into the stands, making sure he got his ball for him. That was his first NFL touch, and it was a touchdown. Patrick Mahomes ran all the way down to celebrate and then also ran,

looking around for the official just to make sure that Xavier Worthy can keep that for the rest of his life. That's so special. That's a great quarterback, a great leader right there as well to do that. But that type of midplay or in play movement that just changes space, just a little bit more in sequence. It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're watching Patrick Mahomes and you're watching where he's going with the ball. So you're not even noticing that this other gap opens up because of the movement that Noah Gray is doing.

That to me is what makes this so electric, this Chief's offense. It just, it does not get old to me. And, and man, we haven't even talked about Chris Jones yet. It's always different. Like Kingsley Suaumataa is a rookie left tackle out there looking like a solid starting NFL tackle in his very first game. If they found a left tackle and Xavier Worthy in this draft, that is how you keep dynasties going by paying the Chris Joneses, who had a nice game. You know, first half, he's picking on the Ravens Guards. He's picking out matchups that he wants.

So you have your stars show up, of course, but you're going to need to have some cost control younger players to keep this thing going, like the cornerbacks. You mentioned Jalen Watson and like these rookies. And yeah, if Sue and Matea ends up being an upgrade, it's a little early, It's not the toughest pass rush in the world to go against Baltimore, but a really promising start for him. I do think the defensive coaching, though, for the Ravens, it was like a little bit of a concern. They had to take the timeouts early in the second half because they weren't ready.

I think there was one in the first half, actually, like that too. And those timeouts really ended up hurting them. That's a situation where you might want to just let them run the play. Whatever is your problem on the field, the timeouts are actually worth more. It's like when Sean McVe burns timeouts on offense. It's the same principle. You had the busted coverage. There was some confusion where it just wasn't as tight as the Ravens defense.

But I will warn anyone wanting to overreact here. The Ravens defense tends to start slow and really figure things out as the season goes along. That was even true with Mike McDonald. It wasn't as dramatic, certainly last year or two of McDone. But there's a lot going on. And so they had a lot to do. deal with tonight and talent-wise, I think they're going to be fine. I'm not too worried about the Ravens defense. I want to ask, did you notice how much drama and theater and razzle-dazzle

that the younger Hockley put into his calls? Particularly, you could see him like almost start to get annoyed by the fact that he was calling so many penalties for that pre-snap alignment for Ronnie Stanley. That was crazy. In the very first drive of the game, the Ravens get a touchdown and it was so impressive because they had to overcome three formation penalties where they got on Ronnie Stanley and this was a priority in the preseason too of guys lining up off the line of scrimmage or not you know aligned with the guard and it was almost like they told them going into the game like make this a point so everyone watching stops doing it and I saw it in the preseason too and I guess I find it very

interesting that they put Sean Hockely in this big spot. It's the first game of the season. They know what they're doing. Sean Hockely is kind of like the next ref star. Has a lot of buzz, actually, as a really good ref. Maybe better than his dad. Some people are saying. Some people, yeah.

Some people close to Sean Hockley are saying. But no, I think so I think that I love a dramatic ref, frankly. As long as the calls are good, like I love a dramatic ref. my other sort of subtly favorite non-football moment was spags going running down the field to call to try to call one of the timeouts and only a head coach can do that and I put out a post on on Twitter I was like go spags manifest it man like because you know he's going to he deserves to get the pop he was you know he was a coach and defensive coordinator one of the best every year and and really certainly is his unit as you know missing a couple of personnel um I I I I was impressed. Chris Jones is Chris Jones. I mean, I don't really know what else there is to say.

I also am curious. Got a little gas, though, at the end of the game. Like, I went and looked at the end of the game, though, and he really, he only had three pressures in this game. They were memorable. But it wasn't like a crazy, crazy game. Forced the fumble, which I thought was,

was a really good play. And then, you know, you're aware of him, knowing this covering Areddonald for so many years. Like, you're just so aware of where he is at all times. You could tell it was affecting even some of the tight end usage that the Ravens were able to deploy, being in 12 personnel so much because of just having to account for him

and give some of their own players a little bit more help. I'm curious about, I want to ask the sports science department for the chiefs, they will never tell me. But I'm curious about how many miles total Leo Chanel actually ran today. He was all over the field. 25 rushes, you know, obviously he's a blitzer.

Then he was kind of the spy sometimes. I mean, obviously that was tough because Lamar ran for what he did. I mean, it was incredible. But being used as that at times, he had three pressures batted the ball. Could have been a touchdown, the Lamar pass that he batted. But I really am curious, like, man, that dude looked gassed at the end too. I would be, I mean, I don't know who wouldn't be that.

I'd like to know how many miles he actually ran today. Week one is such a different game. These guys are really building their bodies up. Week two, I think you can see that as well. but you mentioning Chanel, like, linebacker every year was such a bugaboo, including in the Spagnolo era in Kansas City. They couldn't get it right. They tried free agents.

They tried draftics. And they've just hit these last couple years. Drew Tranquil, I don't know if he was hurt in this game. No, he played a full amount of steps. I'm looking at the next gen sets. I'm geeking out that a lot of the next gen live stuff that I missed last year. We have live dots now. It's pretty good.

Yeah, we have participation. But him and Chanel are out there. every snap, basically, in this game, and they played fantastic, and Nick Bolton was out there even more. He was there literally every snap. So they had three linebackers on the field, most snaps. And again, cost-controlled guys. Tranquil signed a contract there, but it's pretty reasonable. And then you have two guys that are affordable, especially Leo Chanel. I think Nick Bolton's going to get a nice contract in the off-season. I do want to just circle back to Lamar, because I know there's going to be a lot of conversation on Lamar in this game.

And I don't know if he had a great fantasy day, and he made it happen at the end. It was a little up and down in terms of his passing. I mentioned the deep passing. He was one for five throwing the ball over 20 yards down the field. And most of those, he had a chance to make a big play. But other than that, he completed a high percentage of his passes. and they did move the ball. They start the game where he has to overcome his offensive line.

And he runs for over 120. Like, he was sick. But I thought he went out with a purpose to do that. And I didn't see these quotes from the Washington Post until the game had started. But I want to read them to you, Jordan. I don't know if you've heard them. I don't think I've seen. Yeah, I probably have.

They put this game into context. He said, how I'm feeling right now. And this was back in June, actually, when Kent Bab, who was really good, did the interview. said, I wish I was feeling like this body-wise in the AFC championship game, we would have won the game. I would have been able to move around for my guys with me just hurting and can't move. I didn't, I know if my legs were good, like we would have won that S word. We wouldn't even have to throw in the ball, F throwing the ball. So that's pretty interesting to have that comment, F throwing the ball. Because I mean, objectively overall, he is a great thrower of the football. So that's,

Wow, I hadn't seen it. Right. Although if he has one bugaboo, it is probably the vertical throws and that he came into this game almost with a mindset of like if the throw is not there, if the play's not there, just run. And he did take a lot of hits in this game, but the whole idea of like Lamar lost weight and Lamar is quicker this year and the old Lamar runner is back. It's like, yeah, that wasn't just a phony narrative. Whether he can keep that up for 17 weeks, I don't know. But to my eye, he did have more juice today. I like maybe don't take quite, like he is usually so great at avoiding big hits and he took two, I would say two to three today that were a little

dicey. He was hitting that spin move button and it was a beautiful thing to watch. But it was a lot on Lamar's play. It was like a little too much. Like he wanted this game so badly, you could tell. I don't think you want to do that week after week, obviously, and have him carry the ball like 325 times. Yeah, like I said before, I thought that the Chief's defense played a good, a good, objecting sort of overall a good game against this receiving, specifically the receiving core, Isaiah likely obviously found his spots at tight end.

But I also maybe push back just a little, although I don't think we're disagreeing at all. I don't think he was always running with just running in mind. Like a lot of these plays that he made, he was running, looking to throw first and looking for the opportunity in the moment. The All-22

coming out tonight or tomorrow will reveal a lot more about where receivers were, because on your broadcast, They were scrambles, though. It wasn't a lot of design runs. No, no. And like, he's escaping pressure. He's escaping pressure.

He found Isaiah as a person. I think this was a really great moment for the two of them to understand that they, in live action like this, they really can ad lib together like that because it seems like if pressure is like this on a regular basis against this group of linemen and they're going to need, they're going to need that to happen, similar to how we've seen at times Patrick Mahomes escape pressure and extend plays with Travis Kelsey. I mean, this is, this was sort of that moment for me where I was like, oh, these two are going to be great partners for a long time if they keep it up like

this. But at the same time, you know, I don't think that, I think that he just, you could see he was looking, he was looking to make sure, okay, especially if the pocket was pushed around the outsides of him, he's like, yeah, that's obviously a lane right there and I can get 10 yards or, you know, 7.6 yards per carry. I can get an easy eight, pick up an easy eight right now. he was lowering his shoulder into these hits and he was really trying to I think set a tone as a captain as a leader on this team that this is this is the brand of football that they're

going to try to play this physical style of football and I think they would have run the ball with pure running backs you know a little bit more had they not been in a deficit had they not wanted to try to push the ball a little bit as well yeah before we go just any little nuggets that you have. Oh, let me get my. Let me flip through my. We appreciate it. We appreciate it.

But one, when you brought up, I'm glad is that, yeah, Justice Hill had a lot of buzz in Ravens training camp that he was going to be a key part of this team. We actually talked about that on NFL daily, so sometimes we're on to things. He played more than Derek Henry in this game. He played third downs primarily. It was very close to the snap count. He only had one carry to Derek Henry, who goes 13 for 14. didn't have a ton of room, but he's on the field for all these third down.

Six catches, 52 yards for Justice Hill, third most amount of targets on the team. Flowers ends up with 10 targets for 37 yards, and I mentioned likely, with 12. Mark Andrews, very quiet in this game. But yeah, more Justice Hill in this game than Derek Henry. Are you at all concerned about the offensive line for the Ravens? I would say that that was probably, if I had to choose one thing from either of these teams that would just concern me and it's week one. I think both of these teams are going to be great. But just like this needs to improve as the season goes along or else you're not going to be

in the AFC championship game. It would be the Ravens Offensive Line. Pass protection, poor overall, the new guards rotating at right tackle. And then the running game like they need to be great, I think. And they're not great and cohesive yet. So I think they have a little ways to go for the Ravens offensive line. Yeah, it's not like, and again, to bring up Lee O'Schanal again, it's not like his pressure stats specifically are, you know, out of this world. He was sent quite a bit. But a couple of times, especially late in the game, I mean, you saw, especially coming around that that right side, you just, you saw that there was a struggle there. And that's, you know, that just can't, that can't happen. And you also saw, again, you saw they had to use

tight end help quite a bit. I think they want to stay in 12 personnel because their tight ends are good players, but they want to use them as weapons in the passing game a little bit quicker at the snap versus having to stay in chip and then roll out, things like that that just kind of take time. They just sort of in a way, if pressure is getting from the other side, if the guy you want to throw the ball to has to wait a second and chip for you on the other side, that actually helps the pressure on the other side because you're holding the ball. That kind of thing. There's a ripple effect. And yeah, that's long story short, I am concerned about that. But it's one game. So.

All right. We're going to wrap up with one final play that we want to listen to because I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle. This is one of the greatest teams of all time in a run that rivals any teams run over a four-year period and now they're trying to extend it out for one more season, not just three in a row, but having that Super Bowl appearance, having the Super Bowl a few years before that. It's just incredible what they're doing. And it's incredible that tonight, Patrick Mahomes, in only his seventh year, is now the all-time leading passer for the Kansas City Chiefs, and he did it on this throw to Travis Kelsey. Third and 12 deep drop Mahomes, runs away to fire space, fires on the runs of Kelsey to the 30-yard line. A perfect play for Patrick Mahomes to set the chief. Chiefs record for most passing yards, passing the legendary Lenny Dawson. I mean, you got the shot right up to the booth with Taylor Swift. I love, love.

You have the Ravens defenders crashing into each other, like the Keystone Cops as Mahomes runs away from three guys and throws it on a hop. Just what an incredible player. It was vintage. It was a vintage them. Right. I never want to take it for granted. and it's a big deal that they won this game.

If they lost it, we would say, you know, it's not that big a deal. And yet, they're trying to get home field advantage in the playoffs. They have an easy division. They have an easy schedule. They have probably the easiest schedule of any of the truly elite Super Bowl contenders coming into the year. And they just won one of the toughest games and have the tiebreaker over the Ravens. So the way last season ended is the way this one started. Jordan, you know, it feels different for me how this.

season is starting. So that's familiar, but I'm so excited that you are here for this first show. And obviously, you're going to be a big part of the show on Wednesdays all year. And hopefully we'll do some more TNF recap. This was fun. Let us know, by the way, everyone in the comments and certainly everyone listening, if you like doing it live. And we'll try to do that more often. Thanks, Jordan. I was terrified to do this live, but I had a blast. It reminds me of when I'm covering, you know, covering a game and thinking through everything and talking about my notes and looking at my charts and flipping through a billion pages and I just had and I actually got to like talk to

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Okay, I am here with Cynthia Freeland. She's done maybe 74 different shows for NFL media during the week, including NFL game debut, which you should watch where we pick all the games. But this is the most important one, because this is the one where you're going up against me. One-on-one, you versus me for the Smug Picture Award. Okay, so do we call this model versus machine? You talk a lot about your statistical model. Whereas I'm just kind of going off vibes, off feelings.

We're going to pick three games every week. I'm very excited about this against the spread. We're going to keep track. The number three felt right. Just like we don't want this to be too long. We're only picking our best games. It can be man versus machine, which is, you know, complimentary to me, man. That's nice.

Machine, I don't know. Like, you're more than just a machine. You're full of... I feel like, I mean, machines are amazing because they're reliable, right? And I feel like I'm going to be more reliable in these game picks. So man versus machine works totally fine. Okay, or man versus model. Listen, the model's good, too, right?

Okay, so you don't get confused what a model is, but I'm not like an Instagram model. I'm like a computer modeler. It is a little confused. So maybe we'll let the listeners. Yes, they can tell us what they want. They can tell us. And I'm really excited. So we're going to pick three games every week against the spread.

We'll just throw out what we like. We'll keep track. And I'm going to start with the bills. This was the one early in the week. I knew. I saw that it was six and a half. And I like, I liked it as my survivor pick. I like them to win the Super Bowl.

I'm trying not to just fall in love with my season-long pick because that's not a good thing to do in week one. But I look at this matchup, and I think, who is rushing the passer for the Arizona Cardinals? Bu to Baker? I mean, who is stopping the run for the Arizona Cardinals? I just think it's going to be such a high number that the bills put up. And I like Kyler Murray in this game.

I drafted them. Like, it's going to be a high score. But they are so thin. And the bills have a sound enough defense that, yeah, they have some problems that I think they give up 20. 25, 28 points. I feel good about this. I am not going to take heavy favorites too often, I think, at the end of these weeks, but we'll see.

But in a week one where there's so much uncertainty, I feel good about the bills. Minus 6.5 as my first pick of the year. What about you? Well, I mean, I have like 9 or almost 10 points in that game, so I clearly agree with you on that one. But I'm going to go someplace that feels a little bit more, oh, I don't know, like a Monday night barn burner where the Newark Jets come into Santa Clara and upset the 49ers. So, in other words, if you're telling me I can also have three and a half points to go with them, then I have them. Four in some places. It's four and a half in some places. It depends where you get it in. But yeah, you're saying, you like them straight up. I like them to just win. Jets end up one and no after this weekend. Why? Well, their O-line completely retooled. That is a huge, massive deal, especially when you already have a runner in Breeze Hall that's, I know everyone is like, oh, Christian McCaffrey is a great. Yes, we understand. He's great, too. But I'm talking about why the Jets could have this upset.

The Jets team, top to bottom, their starters are really, really good. And you've got Aaron Rogers coming back. I understand it's a serious injury. But you know what Aaron Rogers likes to do? He likes to prove everyone wrong all this time. Petty Aaron Rogers is one of the best Aaron Rogers to see. This is like an MVP year, right? Like, you think he comes back and he looked a little rusty in 22, didn't play in 23.

It feels like the model for how you would come out and be an MVP in 23. Right. So on Game Day View, we have to pick every game against the spread. I was with you that the Jets cover in this game. I don't even feel that strong about the 49ers winning the game. So we're in agreement, but the Jets are not going to be one of my three picks. So we'll see there. Go bigger, go home.

Yeah, Steelers plus three and a half. So I'm taking two favorites this week, which I don't love. The Steelers are the one underdog I'm taking. I kind of like taking the points in week one in general. There's just so much uncertainty. I would love to take a team that has more than three points that I think is going to win the game. That's the case for the Steelers in this. this. I don't care who starts at quarterback. We're taping this on Thursday afternoon, and it's

uncertainty. If Justin Field starts, I think they win. If Russell Wilson starts, I also think that they win this game. Straight up. Like the Atlanta Falcons were, you think they win with the one. Yeah, no, straight up. I, Atlanta Falcons were like a four-win team last year. I know they're, I know they won more games than that in reality, but if you look at this, this is a typical profile, they were very lucky. They played such a bad schedule, and they barely won a lot of those games. And to me, I look at the Steelers' defense as, like, the one group in this game that I know what I'm getting. I don't know what I'm getting with Kirk Cousins. I don't know what I'm getting with this offense.

I do think I'm getting a pretty bad Steelers offense overall and a pretty bad Falcons defense overall. So give me the front seven. Give me Steelers plus five. I love it. We are, plus, mine of three and a half. We are completely not aligned in this one because I have Atlanta winning by five points. So that would mean that I'm on. But that's not one of your three picks.

No, no, it's not. I'm just telling you where I stand on this one. Like before we were aligned, Kumbaya moment, Greg and Sin, happy little campers. Now we're staunch opponents. Okay, my third one, New Orleans. I'm actually surprised that you didn't take this one. But, okay, so my model is very conservative.

We can talk about this because this is a different format. There's certain break points where things become more kind of known and more kind of stable. And 58% is where it's at. This one's 55.7. So New Orleans to win is like way up over 60. It's 64.9%. New Orleans to win by at least four points

happens in 55.7. That's a very high number. Carolina just, first of all, Brian Burns is now in New York. And I also didn't know what was going on in their defense. I don't know if they did enough to address it. I think this is going to be a situation where we see New Orleans, people like, oh, like

all these rumors we hear, like, oh, how many, Camara is back? And Crystal Lave is wonderful. And then, you know, it's just kind of part of it is a function of who they're going to play. I just don't see that there's anyone on that panthers defense that's going to stop them they're so thin in the secondary i thought this number was a little crazy too it's funny because we're agreeing so much and i that means essentially i'm rooting for your picks but i'm really not this is like the man versus machine

man versus model it's very good by it's gonna makeer versus the model like i want to win you're the rainmaker now wait you just branded yourself the rainmaker come on get get up to speed been the rain maker uh been making it rain for years and it's not going to be raining in the in the Super Dome, but I had this game 1710, like I think it'll be a low scoring game. But either way, I trust the Saints in this matchup. All right, my final pick is going to be Bucks minus three and a half against the Washington commanders. So are we saying with that three and in some places it's three that the commanders and the

Bucks are even really? I think we're getting a little too over our skis here with Bleda and Daniels and the talent. I just mean that number. I love this one. maybe I would have picked it first if I'm putting it in order of confidence. It's right there for me.

I think this is an underrated team. I think they have great continuity in terms of their players versus a Washington team, which really doesn't and doesn't in terms of the coaching staff. I feel good about bucks minus three and a half. I mean, look, I completely agree with you on that one.

I think part of the reason that maybe it's so low is because there's a history of Cliff Kingsbury starting off seasons really strong. It's like he pulled all of this. Does your model go into that? No, I'm just trying to. I'm just wondering, does Vegas get into that? Maybe?

Yeah, of course they look at who the players. My model gets into that big time, which is why season long, one of my strongest things is that Jaden Daniels is going to throw for at least 3,025 yards. So more than that. So just keep that in mind. Put that one, a little feather in your cap right there. And you stole my other one. So I'm going to go.

Wait, no, you can pick it too. I like it. If we agree on our third take, like we can be. You want that to be the third? But I want to talk about the lions a little bit. Okay, then go for a different third. Okay, so I'm having my motor city kitties to also win. I understand that your daughter is a massive fan of the Rams,

and this is not a pick against her because I love her the most, but I love my lions too. And I think at home, I love Matthew Stafford. I keep saying love, but it's true. But I'm looking at the lions, and I'm looking at this O line, and there's no Aaron Donald. The defense is completely retooled. They're missing pieces in the secondary.

So I think this is going to be a high school game. Or a half, though, against a good team or four, whatever the number is. It depends where you get it. I'm just, I want to at least pick something a little more spicy. Okay, okay. Like, why not have a little, we don't have a little spices. We can't agree on everything. All right.

So to review. Just because we're best friends. You are going. Just because we're best friends doesn't mean we to agree on everything. I don't know, but best friends. Friends, we're friends. I mean, best, that's like a high. Well, we've been doing this show six years.

It is fun. I am excited to pick some games against the spread against you all year. So to recap, I have bills minus six and a half. Yep. I have the Steelers plus three and a half. I have the Bucks minus three and a half. You are taking the jets, the same. and the Lions.

I don't really disagree with any of yours, and yet, you know, we have different picks. The Saints were on, were probably the next pick I was going to make. If you're out there and you're looking for other ones, like I kind of like the Colts, kind of like the Chargers, kind of like the Jacks, but I didn't like them as much. So Bill's, Steelers, the Raiders, with the points. Okay, so we disagreed on that one.

And for just this one week, and yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, you'll see that we're in a nice stage five studio. It's strange taping a podcast here. I've never done it before. But for just this is great. One week. It kind of feels like we're like in our house, you know?

Like, we just sit awkwardly in chairs facing the same direction, not each other. Like, that's how we normally talk. Just this one week because it's going into the season and I got a lot of tweets. And I figure, like, why not just throw it out there? I'm not going to ask you to do this. No, it's fine. Some of my season long over unders before we get into it. Now, if you are a listener and you heard me with Mina Kimes and Kevin Clark, this was three or four weeks ago, my...

My draft picks were bills over nine and a half. I went Bears under nine and a half. That was a little spicy as my number two picked. I feel a little weird about that honestly now, but I do like it. Texans over nine and a half feel great about that. And 49ers under 11 and a half. I can spout off a few of them. I've done my win toad of homework.

I'm going to get to you in a sec. So those were the four I took. And now that I look at it, that was going maybe a little extra spice more than just confidence. Because I've got to say, I feel even more confident in Seahawks over seven and a half. I feel even more confident in Cowboys under nine and a half. That's one of mine, too. Okay, so we're in agreement. The other two I like, Brown's under eight and a half.

I'm just fading that defense being as good this year, and Deshaun Watson maybe making them worse at quarterback. And then the Bucks, we just talked about the Bucks over seven-and-a. So those are like my eight favorite. I don't know if you have any takeaways. Okay, so off the top of my head here, I know I like the Seattle one. I have a full game ahead of that. For me, a full game is like never, you know, my, like I said,

models very conservative. But I think that one's a great one. I also think that I have I have the I'm on the other side of that bear's angle from you I have the Patriots to have one of your favorites to under four and a half wow I'm sorry it's not a very nice one I had that in my super duper long list that they'd be over because that just seems rude but I it seems low but I but you trade away Matt Judon this late in the game like it's just hard to reproduce that kind of pass rush that's I know but four and a half's a crazy, crazy low number. I also, on my longer list, when Chiefs over 11.5, like every year

the Chiefs kind of get it done. I know they didn't last. I think I have 11.4 for them, but to me, that's not strong enough to say. I have the Eagles winning the NFC, though. You have the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, which is crazy. So you like they're over as well. I do like they're over. And I like the Lions over. They're at 10.5. I have them at 10.8 or 10.7. We're going to dork out on this every week. Yeah. Vikings in that division, I like them over six and a half. Yes. Oh, and the other. one I like a lot. This one's going to sound crazy. The Broncos over five and a half.

That is bananas. Do you know why? Because the Broncos get to play the NFC South. And they get to play in the AFC West. Inshan Paine's never had a season close to that bad. That one, I'm with you. I'm not really that high on the Broncos. And yet I feel like they can't not win. Five and a half?

Yeah. Five, it's six they have to win. Okay. That's it. Six. So we're going to dork out. I like the NFL Daily every week. By the way, I like this pot. Different flavors.

Thank you. crushing it. This is a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of fun. But I like that there's different flavors to each show. We've never done a pure sort of picks. You almost said a word. Gambling. Oh, the G word. You can say it. It's not because we don't gamble. We're saying games against the spread. That's what we're doing. And I think that's more fun than picking it straight up. So we'll see how we do over the course of the season. We're going to do this each and every week. Tell us what you want to hear. But the three picks each and every week. She is the best in the business at doing it. It has been a blast.

week on NFL daily. But the week's not over. I will be back on Friday night recapping the game. Yes, the only Friday night recap of the year. Adam Lefko of TNT, who is a great dude, a great broadcaster, and an Eagles fan is going to be joining me. So you can catch us on YouTube live Friday night. We will see you then wrapping up Eagles and Packers saying thank you Cynthia. Yeah, this is a lot of fun. We're going to be doing it every week. We'll see you then. Hey everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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