NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Return of the ATN Mailbag, Carson Wentz in the MVP convo & a potential Steelers trade?

Episode Date: October 24, 2017

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Colleen Wolfe & Gregg Rosenthal recap Monday night's showdown between the Eagles and Redskins, including Carson Wentz's masterful escape (3:00); Steelers coach Mike Tomlin's response to the Martavis Bryant trade rumblings (13:30); Looking ahead to Thursday night's matchup between the Ravens and Dolphins, and whether or not it's a must-win for Baltimore (24:30); And the return of a listener favorite- the ATN Mailbag! (33:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So you can just watch it any time during the week and you can just press refresh over and over just to artificially bump up our numbers. That's great. That's a good note from Greg. Great show today. Excited about today's show. So much to get to.

Of course, the Monday Night Football Recap. You know, I'm excited about these NFC East matchups. Eagles Redskins. Had that old vibe. Old vibe to it. So we're going to talk about that game. Also, we're going to do a little TNF preview. Oh, yeah.

What is more historic than Ravens Dolphins? So we're going to dig into that a little bit as well. And then we haven't done it a while. Figured this was a good day to do it. We're going to bust out the old ATN mailbag and see what the listeners want to know from us. I love it. Have you ever written a letter to someone by hand and sent it with an envelope and a stamp? A handwritten letter?

Yes. Please don't tell me no. think I wrote, by the way, it wouldn't be an indictment of me as a person. You know, I know you're a throwback. Oh, I'm Mark. I'm an old soul. Well, we know Mark. I haven't.

I haven't, I haven't in, I haven't, I haven't in water. But I'm just, the way you said that up, it's like, oh, just give me my quill and my little ink pen. That's exactly what I'm saying. And I'll send letters off to people. I have a connection. No. He writes calligraphy.

Many letters. Now that I think about it, like girls back in high school. That's all I'm asking. Yeah. And I sent a letter to the editor once about, Don Mattingly, and when he got benched for not getting a haircut. You're checking all the boxes? You didn't have a pen pal?

No pen pal. Really? No. I had friends that I knew. I didn't have people. You know, I don't like to leave my bubble. That sounds like you're a little clicky. I had a pen pal in Vietnam once.

And it went like two letters and then it died. Letter across the sea, letter back, correspondence over. Which side of Vietnam? What do you mean which side of Vietnam? You know, what year was this? Was this during the war? Fifth grade. Oh.

Not during the world. Yeah, Mark was in high school then. Your attempt to age me, like decades beyond you is failing by the minute. Okay. So anyway, yes, I'll do the mailbag. That will be fun. So let's get into it. Let's start everybody by, yes, finishing out week seven.

We say goodbye to week seven with our Monday night recap. Wentz and the gun. I have to get to the 35 for a first down. Here comes the rush. Lynch, they've got him. They've got him. He escapes. He's across the 30.

The 35, the 40. He's got a first down out of the 44 yard line. How'd he do it? How'd he do it? That's all you said they got him. They did. They had him. He disappeared.

WIP, with the call there, Mel Reese. Merrill Reese, you boy. Merrill Reese and Mike Quick. And Mike quick. With the call, that was the turning point in the game early in the fourth quarter. Carson Wentz. from a what seemed to be destined as a sack and the Redskins getting the ball back down seven. Instead, the drive stays alive. Carson Wentz throws another touchdown pass.

He finished with four overall at the end of the day, 34 to 24 win for the Eagles over the Washington Redskins. The Eagles continue to look like the best team in the NFC early on. They are now six and one. That's an NFL best six and one. And Connie Fox will start with you on this one. You are a Philadelphia native. This was not all good news for the Eagles who lost Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters to a serious knee injury that will end his season.

But the Eagles are 6 and 1 and Carson Wentz again looked like a superstar. Wow. Like watching this game, I couldn't even, I still don't know if I can let myself believe in the team because they've hurt me so many times. And now it's giving me anxiety. You've got a quarterback. You've got a second year quarterback. Well, yeah.

I mean, he looks great right now. When he escaped the pocket, it was like he almost looked like a little kid running. It's not like he has like a ton of speed, but he got out of that. And the plays that he made, he just looks so good right now. The whole team does. And losing Jason Peters, that's a massive, massive problem. I mean, that's his blind side. He's been so reliable.

He is the key to that offensive line. And when we saw Lane Johnson get suspended last year, that's on the other side. but Vaitai, do you know how to pronounce his name? Vatia. Yes, that's it. Vatia, it was... It's definitely Vaitai. Halapuli Vati Vaitai, I think, right?

The first name is even as much tricky. Yeah, but that offensive line is the key to this team. And so I'm just wondering, and I hope that they can continue with what they've been doing without Jason Peters. The one thing I'd say about this game, and I know you love NFC East matches, We grew up around the same area and no matter what team you... Different era, but the same area. It's different era.

But then I'll go, then actually I'll help you out here because I'll go back a little bit before where the old... What were those Vietnam era Redskins teams like? Mark's going to freak out. The joke reaches a certain point and then Greg adds the extra punchline

that kind of falls a bit flat. We continue on with our conversation. Are you saying Greg is extra punchline guy? He's the extra punchline guy for the exercise of this show. It's the one that finally gets Mark going. The exercise is show. He can see it on his face. This just had, this was, I'm so glad this happened in prime time.

Because if it got lost on some one o'clock CBS game with one and a half cameras and Greg Gumbull announcing, we're not treated to what is a game-changing special performance. Carson Wentz, he already has been doing this week after week in little segments. And last night he put it all together. And I was sitting on the couch and that exact play that they just put where he escapes out. I thought this game is going in the Redskins direction all of a. sudden, and bang, he bolts out. And it's like, this is what makes the season where the Eagles could wind up in the Super Bowl. He could wind up as the MVP with so many other guys. I can't even

hear it. I'm just saying. It's a very special performance. It was a breakout game. People were like, well, this is not his breakout game. He's been breaking out. It's like, no. His best two games of the season were in prime time. That's why people are talking up MVP. First, let's see if he can back it up. There's nine more games left. Can he keep it going? Because his first month of the season was good. it wasn't at the level that it's been the last three weeks. But what impressed me with Wentz and what I think so exciting if you're an Eagles fan, he makes those special plays.

I mean, he only had a couple completions in the first half, but two of them were just bananas. But after that run that we've referenced a few times, he goes right down the field and he shows everything. He changes the play at the line of scrimmage, has a dart over the middle, has a beautiful touch pass to the sideline to Alshan Jeffrey. And then for the touchdown,

he's up at the line of scrimmage. he has a run-pass option where he's calling the plays and he knows the right place to call. And that's a very tough team to defend. And he does it with his mind, with his arm, with everything. And they've incorporated it. The fact that he could back that up and then you put it out. I mean, it was his best thing. They incorporated stuff that he used in college.

Like, he's actually adding to the playbook. He's a big part of the offense in terms of how they plan. You just don't see that for most of these guys at this age. And this is why it is not too soon to start pounded the table as Wence is a favorite for MVP. because first of all, they are six and one. He's on pace to throw 39 touchdowns and throw for 4,200 yards. His QB rating is over 100. He's checking all the boxes.

And their schedule is not very different. They have a nice schedule. Compared to the Redskins, for instance. I was watching the game with Keith yesterday. Keith Hans is in town for the week. And we looked at the schedule and it's like, that looks like 12 and 4. And if he continues to play well, he'll have the numbers and potentially number one seat. That's how he win a VP.

I think it's not too soon. to kind of look ahead for what he'd be. I'm only saying he's been outplayed significantly by Tom Brady this year. I don't think it's even close. And I think Alex Smith is better. And Alex, I think you're fair. You know, you have to count every game. Like Brady never had a game.

Like, when's had a couple games that no one's going to mention, like the Giants game, where he played very poorly. Like, you haven't had those type of game. Week one for Tom Brady, but I see your point. Well, he, I think you're absolutely right. But it's early. It doesn't, it doesn't know a developing scenario. And it's exciting because we've lost quarterbacks,

And there's a bunch of old quarterbacks that we've been tracking for a decade plus. It's good to have someone young. Here's the thing, though. They didn't just lose Jason Peters, which is Matt. They lost Jordan Hicks for the season, who's been one of their better defensive players. This is a team that's essentially one, I think, of their six wins. Five of them or four of them have been within one score with two minutes left in the game. They're winning close games.

I don't think of them as a dominant team. So I think they're going to have their ups. They're going to have their downs. Yeah. Like during the season, I don't think. they are necessarily running away from the Redskins lost a bunch of linemen too. This was a violent game. You guys get Super Bowl tickets.

Like everybody, full-time employees get two tickets each. I don't because I'm not considered a full-time employee here. So I immediately, last night was like texting my agent, was like, can I get Super Bowl tickets? You can buy them. You have the opportunity to buy them at cost, I believe.

Ouch. And I was also, if you... The same. I feel like a rule should be, like I had my red contact jersey rule that nobody seemed to be into. What about the number of shows that you host are involved with? You get a Super Bowl ticket here. So Colleen should get three and a half Super Bowl tickets. You think so. I see what you're doing there.

No. Four. Four. Give me four. All right. So, yeah, we'll talk about these teams more as we look ahead to next week. But let's move on and talk some news. Excuse me, sir.

Do you have the time? I was going to ask you, sir, if you have the time. I do have the time. You do have time? I do have time. You do have time? I do have time. You do halftime?

I do halftime. You're doing the halftime show with the Super Bowl? You do half time! I'm going to the half-time time. I am so excited. I'm really hoping that's the extent of Jimmy Fallon's involvement in the halftime show. I know. He's got to be a little worried.

I think they've telecasted you that he is going to be playing major, if not half of the role. All right. Let's do some news. You're excited, Connie? Yeah, what? You don't like Fallon? Fallon's fine. Fallon's fine.

But the history of rap. I love that, no? You're what? You're over it, too? We can calm down a little bit. Oh, okay. Now he's aging you. Watch out.

Everyone's on this guy's radar. All right. More halftime talk a little bit later, but let's do some news. Martavis Bryant. All right. So rap sheet reported, I think, a week ago Sunday that Bryant wanted out. Bryant and everyone else connected to the Steelers wide receiver refuted that report. and then after once again Juju Smith-Schuster

was clearly having a bigger role than him in Sunday's win against the Bengals. Bryant was salty on Instagram and then didn't show up to Monday's practice, said he had a doctor's appointment. And now Brian finally has talked on the record with ESPN's Josina Anderson saying that if the Steelers aren't going to target him,

they should trade him. See, this is the type of guy you want to build around. This is the guy that you want. Here's what he said to Anderson. If they don't try to include me more and continue to do the same thing, then I want out, period. I just want to be happy. I would like it to be here, but if not, then O.L.

just got to move on the add-in. I'm not being selfish. Ha! Oh, my God. I want to help contribute, and I want to be the best player that I can be. Mike Tomlin, the Steelers coach, was asked about the Bryant situation on Tuesday, not really a big fan of talking about it. I have no desire to sit up here with the catchers mid and field questions about Marta

and his social media habits, to be quite honest with you. We've invested a lot in Martavis since we drafted him. He's not available via a trade. We've invested a lot. We've covered a lot of ground. It's obvious that we still got more ground to cover with him because we're having a conversation about him that's not football related. But we have.

He's done a lot in the period of time that he's been here in terms of improving, not only as a player but as a man, but we still got a ways to go. He was out of bounds with some of his actions in terms of the things that he said on social media it would be dealt with appropriately so. That ball's in my court. I haven't visited with him yet.

To be quite honest with you, I haven't visited with him yet because I've had bigger fish to fry. Tomlin not thrilled with the situation, Mark. No, and they have bigger fish on their offense to give the ball to as well. I mean, that game against the Bengals, they didn't need him.

He had one catch for three yards, and they haven't needed them much this season. And they can say, oh, we don't want to trade them. We're not interested in that. I think the problem is you're probably going to have a real tough time trading a guy that is out there talking to national reporters behind the team's back. It's constant bombshells. This is a team that's already from Levion Bell's holdout all the way till now has had sort of weekly drama, and yet they're a fantastic team with Super Bowl hopes.

I don't know how much longer he stays there where they can trade him or you get rid of him in general. I mean, this is not, this is something NFL teams do not need this distraction on a week-to-week basis. He's creating it. This is the type of stuff that you would hear from a team that you would expect to hear from a team that's not doing well, that has a losing record that's falling apart, that's on the brink of their season, just crumbling. Not from a team that's doing well right now.

That's had two straight games where the offense is back on track. Like, you can't be a selfish player like this and then say that you're not being selfish. Like, did you see when Juju Smith-Schuster is doing the hide-and-seek celebration and everybody, but he's like doing it. He's just standing there being sulky. Like he's not. Well, and he's calling out Juju Smith on Instagram. Yeah. And he had a photo, a screen grab of Antonio Brown, the ball going to him and being like, why are you throwing to him when I'm open? It's like, what is going? It's a terrible 72 hours. Really, really immature. And also the fact that he said that he's worried about the need to support his family, that's straight out of Terrell Owen's

playbook. Like, that's exactly what Tio did. You know, you get paid off numbers. He's coming off a suspension, which certainly won't help. Which was his fault. next contract. Yeah, and this is not going to help his next contract. It is interesting to me that for weeks he played less than Juju Smith-Shooster, and after he made a lot of noise last week, he actually played more than Juju Smith-Suster last week. They're splitting time, ultimately. It's just a weird offense. Antonio Brown has almost half the receiving yards. People wouldn't guess it, but for as low as Bryant's numbers are, he's actually the second leading receiver on the team. It's just Antonio Brown is blowing everyone out of the water. It's Bell and Brown.

He's a role player. He's a role player. I would not. I'm sure there are some teams out there that feel like they're missing a piece on offense. I would not go near this guy because of his history. You would? Because of his attitude. From the Cowboys, if you could get him for like a fourth round pick, absolutely.

Sure. But then be careful. A personal anecdote involving the Steelers and my Jet Santonio Holmes, they traded for him. He was a malcontent in Pittsburgh. They got great value out of him until they gave a contract and then he became their worst nightmare. I feel like Bryant could be the same situation, so buyer beware, or at least if you want to re-up with a guy after his rookie deals up. Before we move on, I don't believe Mike Tomlin that saying that Martavis Bryant is not available. I think if the right trade offer has come along, that there's been talk behind the scenes about potential trades.

And if he's saying that, if anything, maybe it indicates to me that they don't feel like they're going to get a good enough offer to bother to trade him. Because I think, why not just keep them? You got an article today, Mark Sessler, about some trade talk candidates. Hang it up quick because each of the names involved, you know, they're moving quickly. So you can go read it on the site somewhere. Yeah, it's right here. Go try to find it. NFL.com slash Sessler.

Moving on, Marshawn Lynch, who was suspended one game after he was ejected on Thursday night for pushing officials, pushing an official or making contact with an official while trying to separate buddy and opponent Marcus Peters from a scroll. in that classic game between the Raiders and Chiefs. That suspension was upheld on Tuesday. The NFL announced that James Thrash. Whose job did he take in? He took Merton Hanks?

Was there someone between, am I getting it confused? Merton Hanks? Yeah. Is there somebody between Hanks and Thrash? Hanks was involved. I don't have the lineage for you. I want the lineage. I want the lineage.

I'm all about the appeals officer lineage. You're dropping insane like NFL front office This, like, hierarchies on us as, like, a trivia question. Lindsay, Lindsey Fulton, before the end of the show, this will be a good, like, challenge for you as you continue to get more comfortable. If I could have the lineage since 2010 of the NFL appeals officers. Yeah, because he doesn't have anything else going on the right now. You got it.

I'm on top of it. Okay, thank you. Former Eagles legend, James Thrash. Anyway, the Lynch's suspension. James Trash, everybody called him. All right. Is upheld. That will be fine.

Which shouldn't be a surprise, Greg, because I don't think the NFL was ever going to give Lynch a pass on anything and they you know nobody like they don't like the officials getting anybody getting handsy with the officials so one game stands i i wouldn't have been surprised if it was overturned because that happened so often in these scenarios and i thought the case that lynch presented by all reports was compelling not only was he you know he was doing the wrong thing but he was trying to play peace speaker but more to the point he presented an argument he came up with nine different players who put their hands on an official, including Aaron Donald in an incident I remember very well early last year. And none of those guys were suspended. So I do think

it's fair to raise the question. What's the difference? What is, I don't know, and this happens with all these suspensions, just kind of case by case. Like, what is the standard? Why did those guys not get suspended? It's shocking to me that the league has confusing decision making on some of these things. But watching the thing, I think his teammates say, we're behind you on this one. He's going out and helping his team. Like, this is different to some. he was helping his friend who was on the other team but and he was on the call too like he testified for lynch marcus peters yeah yeah interesting it was trying he was trying to settle it all down here's something she's trying to be a mature peacemaker and he was whacked down for that i think the raiders or at least

one way to look at maybe don't care that much because it's like well we're not really diminishing our chances to win dandre washington and jail and rachard are going to be just fine i don't think they're losing on going to that and before we like you know night marshaun lynch for this we're not We're not knighted. He wasn't involved with the play. What was going to happen to Marcus Peter? Is he going to be thrown off the top of a building? Like, everything was going to be fine.

And then he put his hands on the official. It was stupid. It was a nice chance to become a centerpiece on national television. He hadn't been doing a lot. So let's race out in the middle of the field and creates a drama. If it's a rule that if you put your hands on an official, you're suspended, then that should be a rule. It should be consistent. One more thing to add, too.

When I was at training camp in Oakland, Marjohn Lynch had his whole team of, of camera guys and audio guys following him around. I think he's putting something together. So I've just thrown it out there. It's back to the Marshawn Lynch, Colleen, Wolfcource. Everything comes back to me. You come to Honey Box. Some deep state information.

Maybe one of the more obvious things, at least to me this year, is like, I'm doing this for O-Town. You're not doing this for the town. You're doing this for Marchon. Let's be honest. Let's calm down. And that's just my opinion. Greg, I know you disagree.

I see through it on. Maybe it's a little bit of both. I don't disagree. Maybe it's both. I don't. Maybe. Moving on, Joe Thomas is out for the season. Bad. More bad news for the Browns. The left tackle who had his famous snap streak snapped at 10,363 when he suffered an arm injury

in the Cleveland overtime loss to Tennessee on Sunday. You knew it had to be probably serious to get him out of the game in the way he was reacting. And indeed, it was torn triceps. needs surgery, and the Brown sent him to injured reserve. Thomas told reporters Monday that he plans to undergo the surgery today, Tuesday, and he'll wait until the offseason to decide his NFL future. Am I done playing? I don't know, he said. It's too early to make any decisions. Mark, will Joe Thomas be on the Cleveland Browns week one, 2018? Well, I mean, he's set to make a lot of money. So if that's a factor, which it usually is, I would lean towards yes. I think it matters a lot.

Not that old. He's not that old, and he was playing great this season. And the minute and he went out of the lineup, it showed. I mean, this is a guy. He obviously is someone that doesn't shy away from work. 10,363 straight snaps, an NFL record, 11 years. I think he loves football. I think that he would love the situation to be different.

And my question would be, is he a Cleveland Brown or is he somewhere else? Because it may be time to give. Well, that's what I asked you. You said, will he be playing? No, will he be on the Cleveland Brown's week, one in September. My guess is yes. He does seem hyper loyal, like crazy loyal.

It's very loyal. I mean, there's no like animosity, so my guess would be yes, but a lot can change. And he's turning, he's turning 33. Now, Jason Peters is turning 36 and is coming off a torn ACL and MCL. They're both due to make a lot of money. But, Thomas, this is an injury that when you recover from, you recover from. I don't necessarily think it's long-term damage. and I think it should be pointed out,

these two guys go after last night were literally the top two ranked tackles by pro football focus this season. So even though they're up there in years, they are at the very top of their game. And our friend Chris Wesleyan pointed out, they are probably the two picks at the end of this decade when the Pro Football Hall of Fame

chooses their all-decade team at tackle. Jason Peters and Joe Thomas, it's sad to lose them at the same time. I thought Tyron Smith might have a chance at that knock Peters out. But I mean, It's pretty incredible that they're still, like, the best in the game. And finally, one little more bit of Brown's news. LeBron James was asked about the Brown struggles.

And he had this to say, I ain't been one in 22 at nothing, nothing. He said he will hold his other opinions on the Cleveland football team to himself. He'll keep them to himself. I'm wondering if Gonzo knows anything about this. John Ronald Gonzalez born March 12, 1977 is an American sports writer who's married to NFL media broadcaster, Colleen Wolf, John, who is a Pisces, resides in Los Angeles, with his wife and two dogs. I'm glad we cleared that up

because I just keep forgetting who John is. Like, it's just... A little bit problematic. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I don't know. The only thing I know about basketball right now

is that the Sixers won last night. Listen. Who's excited? They're one and three. I'm not... Philadelphia sports. You're probably more excited than we are. You know, I'm a little worried about, you know,

Fultz's free throw motion. I'm on top of things, Colleen Wolfe. It's not great. It's really ugly. Greg's a random NBA knowledge. Just keeps on throwing me off. Well, you know why. You know why.

You know why. There's a little city in the middle of the desert that's asking people to weigh in on certain things and Greg has found a new territory to be a part of. Suddenly Greg cares about basketball out of nowhere in the middle of a busy NFL season. Hmm, I'll connect the dots. It's like once upon a time a man named Bugsy

looked upon a desert and said, I could build something here. Greg is now doing the same thing. I stick to tennis, you know, off-season. That's a little on the nose there. You play tennis in the off-season, that's right? You're in-season. Okay. Right.

You're the only... Okay, Mike Tomlin. Put it this way. You're the only tennis player, I know. So it's kind of unique. Do you guys know another tennis player? John plays tennis. No, a tennis player?

I do not. No. No, you're right. All right, that's it for the news. Time now for Thursday night football. Shoulders of greatness talk. Oh, yeah. Time to talk a little dolphins, Ravens.

A Dolphins team that Greg had it is now 15. that Jay Cutler with multiple cracked ribs will not play. It's Matt Moore's World and going against the Ravens. It's a perfect spot, you would think. Maybe not perfect because the Ravens could put together a good effort on defense. But a nice spot for the Dolphins to know they don't have to score a ton of points to win a game. No. I mean, the Ravens defense has been solid this year,

but because their offense is so bad, they needed to have a special season. And it's not really happening. I mean, when they play a team like the Bears or the Vikings, Those are teams that you think, okay, Ravens Devens, go win a game by yourself, and they're just fine. They're not a special defense in any way. And I think you're right. I don't think you're going to need to put up many points if you're Matt Moore. Well, and having to go out there so quickly after so many three-in-outs and busted Ravens drives,

I see a Ravens team that sometimes wears down towards the end of the game, that the Vikings were able to run on them late after being held back to some degree on Sunday. I thought that was really surprising, too, because they had Brandon Williams back in the lineup. You look great early. He looked great early, and he had a big, he had a big, like, run stuff early. But then it changed. It's just that I think that if you're Jay Ajai, and these games never go the way we think they are on Tuesday. But Jay Ajai, you're set up for a big game in this.

And I think that that's what you, if the dolphins want to win, they have to, he has to be the absolute heart of the offense, and they have a good defense to match. It seems like a game they can handle. Yeah, Latavius Murray, he was able to run. He ran for 113 yards at a touchdown on them. So J. Ajai, I feel like it's kind of weird, but I feel like Jaii is, had better games when Mike Pouncey is not in the lineup. Like, I don't know why.

He's had a pretty bad season, Ajai. He's averaging three and a half yards of carry. He still has not scored a touchdown. This is a guy a lot of people pegged as maybe the number one productive running back in the league entering the season. They kind of need him to, I know it's not just all on him, but they need him to kind of play more like he did in those big games. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those games where you just got to find a way to win if you're the dolphins because they are the kings right now of winning ugly. I mean, they are the kings of, can we get better as the season gets along?

Because we're not that good right now, but they're four and two. And this is a game you look at and think, I don't know. I don't know if Baltimore can score on Indomacan Sioux and Cameron Wake and the end of dolphins. They're feeling so good about their secondary. They cut Byron Maxwell, who's one of the highest paid players on their team because they like their young players. And they're going to be trying to cover. I mean, this is an NFL offense where the leading receivers, Ben Watson coming off of a serious injury and Chris Moore and Campanaro and Griff Whaling.

It's like this is the single worst. Hanging out with Connor on the couch. You have to say Ozzie Newsom has put together the single most depressing offense in the entire NFL because it's all a bunch of guys who are cut elsewhere. I mean, the best things that they have are kind of third chance guys. There's no drafting and development. He needs to take the heat for that. I think he will start to be.

There's also been injuries. You lost. I just spilled a little water. Greg spills water in the middle of his analysis. If the show stops... Whenever his arguments reach a crescendo, he just, like, completely knocks things. The water spells on expensive technology.

This is like the first, you know, real time that you got to watch NFL.com slash ATN video. What are we? And what I love so much is that Greg is not even cleaning it up on his own. Dan has to clean it. It's on the floor. What are we going to do? We have paper. Dan has to step in and clean it up.

Joe Thomas's Iron Man streak is over. Greg continues. He's spilling water on expensive equipment every year since he's been with NFL meeting. Good job, Greg. Every month. You're consistent. Oh, I have a question. You know what goes great with water.

What? Head and shoulders. Shoulders great. Yeah, it does. You need that. In fact, here's my question. This is more kind of a big picture Ravens question, but I know Joe Flacco got, was behind the eight ball this season and he doesn't have a lot of supporting cast, but I know he makes

a ton of money. I don't know his contract situation, but does he have to show a little bit something to not be in any type of danger? And I shouldn't even ask that question without looking at his contract, but he has not been a guy that's been able to lift them at all

and he's getting paid like a superstar. Well, they're three and four. If they were to lose to Miami, you go three and five. And if the floor fell out and you found yourself in position in April to draft someone that the team were in love with,

maybe, but they're not going to go get someone out there in the league right now to replace it. And he's only under contract for $12 million. next year. He had a huge signing bonus when he signed. So I think they have to think about their next quarterback, though, because this is I think he's had the worst two seasons of his career going into this season, and this is clearly the worst. So that's three straight years.

Well, their owner just came out and said when it comes to Ozzy Newsom, John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco, he's like, I know everyone wants these rash decisions. He's like, that's not how I operate. It's not how I've ever operated. There's no decisions happening with any of these guys. That makes sense. The more Ravens thing to do would be just hire another offensive coordinator. Right. Before getting rid of flacco

Right Just keep Just keep running different ones through That helps the job you don't want Yeah Is an offensive coordinator on the Ravens So yeah Matt Moore, Joe Flacco

Clacko Gets him Flacco is he a Falucco That's the question That's what it ultimately comes down to That is the shoulders of greatness Chat Thursday night football

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From Prague. Yeah. Oh. It's been a strange NFL season so far. But what is the strangest or least anticipated thing to have happened so far this year would be interested to hear all of you weigh in on that? Okay. Mark, get us gone. with a sea. It's easy for me. It's the Jets. Week after week I see a team that's playing down

to the final minute of the game. They've, very close to having a winning a record. And two months ago, we had them signed sealed and delivered as the worst team not only this season, but maybe ever. We couldn't have been more wrong. That's fair. I like that one. So I'm not going to go with the predictable Homer pick here in the Eagles. The Rams. That's been a major surprise from last year. Team of ATL. Yes. every week I'm surprised by them and I think that the addition of Andrew Whitworth is like it's not talked about a ton but I think it's changed the way that that offense can operate both passing the ball and running the ball and you can see the difference that the coaching staff has made and I guess the second year of golf and with these guys but it's a totally different team I will say Deshaun Watson becoming a star so quickly I thought he didn't even start the season as the starter and then when he got in the the game in week two. It didn't look like a guy that immediately knew what he was doing.

But now coming out of his buy, you kind of, you lock him in. If you're a fantasy owner, he's like your top player. If you're a Texan fan, he's the face of the franchise. That is a huge surprise to me. That happened this quickly. Well, I really focused in on the word strange. And so the strangest thing to me is you remember Logan Thomas? Oh, yeah.

The last time we saw him. He was a quarterback. He was having one of the rougher quarterback performance. I would say of this century with under Bruce Ariens as a quarterback in Arizona after that Carson Palmer injury. And then suddenly, you know, I'm watching the bills early this scene. Logan Thomas is out there getting significant snaps at tight end, scoring touchdowns for an offense that's doing pretty well, doing well enough. That's a good one. I'm just like, well, that's pretty strange.

That's pretty strange. And they're winning games with Logan Thomas and Nicolieri and all these guys. That's pretty weird. All the injuries, too, have been really weird. like big name injuries too. That's been more depressed. Kind of unfortunate. Yeah.

Injuries are part of the game. It's a violent sport, Colleen. Listen, I know. Just going to manisplain this one for you. Get out of here with that. I'm going to throw the rest of the water and the cup on you. There we go. Nick has this to say,

Biggest Dark Horse to make a legit playoff run this season. Connie, you get us going here. Oh, biggest dark horse. Oh, my God. What if it was the Jets? Oh, that would be. I mean, if you're saying the. biggest, you could say the Browns

or the Niners, but the Jets, at least they want some games. Yeah, but nobody is expecting them to make a playoff run and nobody thought that they would. The Opsies are going to be maybe eliminated this week. Jets are a pretty dark horse scenario. I would eat my softball pants if the Jets won a playoff game. All right.

All right. Really? Not that crazy. I mean, I would love to eat the pants if it meant the Jets won nine or ten games and then won a playoff game. It's crazy because so few teams have been eliminated at this point. Other than the Browns, 49ers, Colts I would put in, and Giants, I feel like the other 28 teams have some sort of argument. Thinking of a dark horse, how about the Chargers? Just because we had given

up on them and they're a weird team. They're kind of the opposite of last year's Chargers where they're winning games by tough and they're not really that smooth on offense, but they've just kind of have a good vibe to them and like, you know, winning games with defense. Not a Dark Horse pick if you chose them as your AFC Super Bowl team. Right. There you go. There you go. And I thought Greg was going to do it, so I'll throw it out there. The Saints in a wide open NFC now. Do I think they could make a playoff run now?

It wouldn't be the craziest thing. Yeah, they're first place. And they were my pick before the season. So they're the favorites. Whoa. Calm down. All right, moving on this one from Kelsey. My fiancee and I, both big fans.

Nice. I like that with couples listen. Yeah. Are getting married soon. I'm assuming T. what marriage advice can the heroes offer i'm just saying it's not completely clear uh but i'm assuming they are getting married to each other mark you're a guy you're a you're a sage man you're a deep thinker uh you've been married for what eight years something like that ah since 2009 right so

did i get it right like that 2017 2009 eight years yes yeah yeah nice um what do you got well i would have uh specific advice i'd have specific advice i'd have specific advice for men number one but for a couple and i will take the advice i thought it was for men i'll take my fiance and i what marriage advice can the heroes offer anything else i come on give me a break i uh i got advice for my grandfather and i failed to follow it any times but he basically pulled me aside one simon and said don't sweat the small stuff that was it and it's like had i never ever sweated the small stuff in our marriage from now from then till now would have been in great position i mean it's like you get in trouble when you do that that's a good advice for life i mean i i feel

like sweating the small stuff is kind of your thing though but that's what i'm saying i don't do that so that's a big it's something i think about all the time stop being the way you are why am i the way that i am i yeah Connie um it's good to get a female perspective here i would say I mean, this is, so for me, like, just based, I just moved. You guys know that. We moved into a new apartment. And it's like a little bit, it's still really small, but it has two bathrooms, two full bathrooms.

So we each have our own bathroom. And that is like the nicest thing in the world. Interesting. You should have as many bathrooms as shows you host on NFL now. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like, but I think like the bigger, the bigger point of it is like to be able to give each other space.

Like you have your time together and then your time apart. Your independent lives and your lives together. And I think that's important to like be able to have that same. How do you follow and I agree with that? That's good. That's good. I would say once Kelsey and your hubby have kids, if you do have kids, make sure to make sure you and your husband have time together. Make sure.

Don't get caught up in the raising kids thing. And then, oh, we haven't been on a date in nine months. It's not good. It's a problem. I would say, you know, just from my perspective, like bring baked goods or treats often. It can make up for a lot. If you just give your partner food as a surprise, that can cover up a lot of ills. Just, like, show up with, you know, it depends.

Like, yeah, that's thoughtful. Just show up, yeah, you know, maybe replace baked goods with whatever your wife. On something unexpected. But, yeah, like, just bring, I generally, it's food. Just arrive with food. food, you know, as a surprise, that'll smell. I'm just going to start going to your house, if that's the case. Lindsay Fulton, not married, not yet anyway.

You taking notes on all this? Not even close. Okay. Moving on, this one from Chris, chances that the Browns leave Hugh in London after they get obliterated by the Vikings on Sunday. Whoa, I guess we'll start with a quiet storm on that one. I think it's low because the faults that are inherently, you know, plaguing the team, I think of as much to do with the front office approach that he was saddled

with. And if they don't want to look that way at it, that's fine. He's not done a great job of coaching. There's another scenario where I could see him being fired, winding up replacing Marvin Lewis and the Bengals go 12 and 4 next year and go to the AFC championship. But I just don't think he's going to get fired this week. I think they're testing Jimmy Haslam's patience. They have the biweek. I would be a little surprised if something doesn't happen during that biweek. Maybe it's bringing in a front office guy. Maybe it's firing and coordinating it. I don't know. It just feels like that's the time they'll do something. London

is a dangerous place for a head coach of a struggling team. This one from Matt, can you find a way to spin a narrative that makes Colts fans not sad people for the next 44 weeks? Colleen. Oh my God. No, I'm not that. I'm not that good. I can't do that because right now they

look horrendous. I feel so bad for Jacoby Percet and I guess Jacoby Percet would be the one thing that you could sort of be like, okay, well, I mean, we have good backup, like, for when luck comes back. But the defense made Blake Bortles look amazing. The offensive line is a mess. I don't know. I'm sorry. I think the GM is going to have a chance to pick the coach he wants. Right. And you've got Andrew Luck coming back. I understand it's 44 weeks, but your future is much brighter than the team we just discussed in others.

Here's the thing. This is a proud franchise that has been in a lot of big games. This Colts team wasn't doing anything this year regardless. So now you're going to have Andrew Luck next year and maybe you have a number one draft pick or a number two draft pick, whatever it is to help him out and you'll have a new coach. Like, you could be excited about that. You weren't going anywhere.

I don't know. I thought Mark's argument was probably the best. I agree. 44 weeks. That's, you know, a long time. Well, could be completely helpful. Try 25 years or 30 years or 40 years if you're a lion's fan. Get excited for the draft.

Get pumped up for the draft. Moving on. This one from Mark, another Mark, this one with a K, with the announcement on Sunday about the halftime show at the Super Bowl, what are each of your favorite halftime shows? Mark. Well, so we've been to a couple live. Beyonce was my favorite live.

I was fascinated by the Beyonce show. But when you go back and look on ones that happen in YouTube, the fact that this happened in human history, the up with people halftime show that I never saw, but it was like way back when, is one of the most strange things that have occurred in a public setting I've ever witnessed. So you must go watch this on YouTube. I cannot believe the NFL signed off on this.

It would never fly today in pro sports. It wasn't that big. It's very wholesome. It wasn't that big of a deal. Like if you go look through some of the halftimes, it's like seven different performers. And sometimes they're just promoting a Disney movie that bombed with a bunch of Disney songs that no one's ever heard of.

And that's like that. That was the halftime show. It wasn't that big a deal. Michael Jackson kind of changed the game. You did. I loved Beyonce. She was amazing. That was such a fun Super Bowl.

The weather was wonderful. We're in the Beehive. Yeah. We went to go see Beyonce right after that, too. That was the power outage, right? No, that was the one in, at San Francisco, yeah, two years ago. Oh, the second Beyonce. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Oh, you like that one better than the first? Oh, I would go with the Superdome, Beyonce. I mean, they're both so good, but yeah, I just, I was at. I was at that one, so that was better for me. At the San Francisco one, and she brought it back Destiny's Child. That was probably, I would put that one among the ones I went to. I would put the Beyonce one at top, top the list as like a 37-year-old dad who loves you too, like them playing after 9-11.

That's my favorite show ever. I thought that was very powerful. Do you have anything? Yeah, I was a huge fan of the 1998 Boys to Men, Smokey Robinson, Martha Reed, Temptations, and Queen Latifah. It was the shout-out to Motown. Lindsay, what about you? How could none of you guys say Prince?

That was hands down on the best. That was the best one in my name. You know what? I respect Prince, rest in peace, Prince, blah, blah, blah, Prince. But that gets a ton of love. So I don't feel like they need more people shout. I was at that press conference

where Prince played, which was pretty cool. That wasn't the halftime show. But, you know, he did a press conference where he didn't speak. He just played three songs. songs. That was pretty cool. That is very cool. And also the Beyonce before the Super Bowl in New Orleans, there was a controversy that she had not sung the national anthem before the, I think Obama was inaugurated for the

second time. And there was a lot of heat around that at the time. So she walked out for her. They'd do a press conference every year before the Super Bowl on like a Thursday. And she walked out, picked up a mic and just like delivered. a flawless rendition and the whole place was like, yeah. Controversy over. Yeah.

Moving on, Chuck says, what is the head coach's version of the Dalton scale? Me thinks it's John Fox. What say use. Love that. How about Marvin Lewis?

Give me a break. He'll get you there, but then he won't get you any further. He'll get you, you have a couple nice season. You get a little five and 11 action, four and 12. then you have a little thing where we get excited about Marvin Lewis, then he disappoints you.

That's a perfect one. It's a good one. I feel like he's been too successful with like an all-time terrible franchise. What about John Fox? Well, isn't that Andy Dalton? Fox kind of, yeah, that's true. Fox kind of works. I'm trying to think of the Jim Caldwell, maybe. Right in the middle there.

Caldwell's got to a Super Bowl, but yeah. Yeah. I love that question. I feel like I need to think about it. Yeah, that's one I want to like. Who else would be? Fox is a pretty great suggestion. Sean Payton's sliding down.

Oh, come on. Sliding down. He brings something to the table, though. He's not adult. He's not the adult and scale. I'm not going to go with someone that's also being like, he wants to be a newer coaches we don't know. Just like getting you fired up there.

Where does Pugano land? Oh, other side. Wrong side. He like weighs the whole thing down. Yeah, you know, Jason Garrett's a sneaky answer right there. People forget his first years. And I know he does a fine job kind of running. But I think if you put him in different.

different situations. He's just going to be the guy that brings you to the middle. Garrett's a good one. Moving on this from Paul, which AFC division is a lock? He's locking it up to have multiple playoff teams.

Which AFC division? A lock. Well, a lock is too strong. I just don't agree there is a lock. AFC East, I'll just go through it in my mind. AFC East, no lock for a second team. AFC North is kind of a mess.

Forget the north. The South. uh no locks to be seen but probably it's a sneaky division yeah if you believe in jacksonville and houston and tennessee two of those three maybe get in the spot case i would say the a fc west is still there because i still think the raiders despite the records are going to make a play and i think the chiefs will make it that would be my selection i'm with with west but it's also been easily well the north too but the most disappointing a fc division or division in football.

I think the AFC East has a good chance. I wouldn't lock up the West, too. But I would kind of, if I had to guess, I'd go the East gets one and the West gets one. Really? I mean, the bills and the dolphins are four and two. It's not, you know, there's someone's going to win those division games. This is from David. When's it time for the Fork podcast?

Rekin it will be the toughest season to call for a while. Uh-oh. Great news to everybody next Tuesday. They figured at the midway point of the season. bust out the fork and say so long to some teams that we decide have no chance to make the playoffs very dangerous, Greg, proposition in 2017. Hopefully not in week eight. But right, there's almost, we kind of, I kind of went through the four that I would choose right now.

And I, at least as of this week, maybe throw the Cardinals in there, too, now that I think of it with Carson Palmer out. That's about it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's going to be difficult. And of course, will there be like bagels and things? Is there going to be eating? We got to get together.

Locks, bagels, some Irish soda bread. Great. My mom's going to ship it in. Tea, coffee, and we all just get together and we figure it out. Yeah. And, of course, if we get anything wrong, we donate to a charity in that team's city. Just like we did. The last time this exercise completely crashed burned.

I think we've never, and at one time we didn't get it wrong. Didn't get it. Yes, one year. There's only one year. But every other year there's been some team that we got wrong. Who is, this from Peter, who is, yeah, so we're going to fork it next Tuesday. Next week. This from Peter.

Who is the frontrunner for MVP so far this year? Kind of touch on this earlier. I'm just going to stick with him. Colleen's boy, Carson wins. Carson wins. I'm all excited about him. I'll say him. I think he's surging.

I think Greg was correct. The front runner right now, for me, would be Tom Brady. Brady would be my pick. Although I think if the vote was today, people are just get so caught up and whatever just happened. Went. Right. Went to win it today. I don't know.

The fact, though, that the conversation is even Tom Brady or Carson once as MVP is kind of blowing my mind. Alex Smith is in the mix. He has like 17 touchdowns and no interceptions. He should have had one last week, but. It's a lot of lucky. Labion Bell's a sneaky. I was going to say a non-quarterback.

Yeah, sneaky guy that could move up. So you're going to be alive by week 17? You can't be Alex Smith and go on TNF and lose. That's not how MVP is a hard. Well, they have five primetime games. He's not going to go 5-0. He's got to keep doing. He's two and one.

He's played great. I would have really put that loss on him. I'm not putting it on him. I'm just saying. The only reason we're talking about Carson Wentz is because of what he did last night. Right. No one was talking about this 24 hours. But Alex Smith had an unbelievable Monday night performance.

He had an unbelievable kickoff game performance. He's going to have a couple more. Got to win some of those games. We were making fun of the schedule makers for putting the Chiefs in prime time five times, I think, in the first eight weeks. You know what? It worked out. They saw it coming. that well, schedule, guys.

They nailed it. This from Mosferatu. Mosferato. I'm trying, buddy. If Aaron Rogers can throw again in six weeks after surgery, do you think

my parents will get back together? That's not a real... That's a real question. Really? So it deserves a real answer. It is. I saw the tweet. I just hope that's the case. No matter what Aaron Rogers does, I hope that would be

the case if that's what's right for you. Your family? The answer, by the way, is no. They don't love each other anymore. And they made the decision. Once they made the decision to separate, they realized that, wow, why did we wait so long to do this? And let's hope they're just happier with whoever they end up with.

It doesn't always go that way, but, well, plus luck to you. So it's over. Yeah, that's not going to happen for Aaron Rogers. Oof, okay. It's his throwing arm. All right. And finally, Carlos asks, What's the favorite movie you've seen this year?

Well, I guess, all right, so I'll start everybody off. I'm not a particular movie buff. Cinephile, if you know. Yeah, I'm not. But, and this movie is a 2015 movie, but I did watch it for the first time this year. And I love Sicario. Have you guys seen it with Emily Blunt?

Missed it. I've heard good things. Yeah, I've not seen it. It's so, so good. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It's a great one. Yeah, it's like she's, you know, an FBI agent, situation, drug lords. It's awesome.

Mark? I read the tweet as like a movie that came out this year, so it's a smaller sample size. But I probably botched it. Shots fired. I don't know. Okay. I'm saying that's where my answer came from. Mother, I thought was something I cannot stop thinking about it.

I would not. I also would not suggest that anyone else go see it. I don't want anyone to go see it based off of without being curious on your because it's disturbing. Did you guys see it together? We did. We did. We did the thing where like I sat down and then Dan like sat two seats away from me.

Yeah. And like he went to sit next to me. And I remember because we drove down, speaking of you too, we drove down to San Diego on a Friday night last month. To see Mother. Yeah. And it was like we had time to kill. We didn't want to get too drunk before the show.

Played it smart. So we said, let's go see a movie. And I remember thinking to myself and Mark had already seen it two days earlier. I remember thinking to myself as the opening credit started. and I knew it was like a heavy, deep movie. I was like, what am I doing here? It wasn't very, it was. By the way, not only, yes, because I had to go find out what I had seen the first time.

And we, this movie theater we were in was cut from like a 1993 reality. It was amazing. The entire mall complex. Like, nothing there was modernized. And then the movie we saw only added to it. And Dan and I had to walk like 14 city blocks to kind of shake off the sleigh of it. Yes, what the whole thing that happened. That's what you want in a movie.

Sounds like it's great. It had an effect. I wouldn't say I enjoyed it. I think I'm just thinking. I think I've seen four movies this year. So get out at the beginning of the year, which I enjoyed quite a bit. That's a good one. I saw Mother, which just weirded me out mostly.

And I would not suggest if you have young children. Do not see that. I saw the big sick. I like the big sick. I didn't hate it, didn't love it. And I saw It, which was more kind of therapy for me to like. It's like a personal moment. Yeah.

What do they call it, the type of therapy where you, You have to face your... Embrace your fears. Yeah, to face them. So I don't really have a favorite movie. I guess it would be Get Out, would be my favorite movie that I saw of the four.

So I'll say that. Yeah, I've only seen two movies this year. I'm going to go with the defiant ones if that counts. It's on HBO. It's a movie. It's a documentary. It's a bit of a cheap,

but it was very good. Documentaries are movies, but that is maybe a limited series, you could argue. Right. Exposure therapy. That was why. saw it.

Oh. Yeah. Have you, do you have like an experience with that before? Exposure therapy? First time. Okay. I tried it out.

I think it kind of worked. I'm a little less scared of clowns now. So you can't hurt me. Well, test that out. All right. You can't hurt me, Connie. And I love that one, too. That was great.

What was it called again? The Defiant ones. It's how beguiled. That was pretty good. A little Colin Farrell, actually. A little Farrell. A little Farah. A little cope.

All right. We will be back on Thursday. we will recap that Ravens Dolphins game and then of course get into all of the week eight games week eight mark halfway home halfway over not even nearly halfway it's the halfway point of the season talk to me right in the middle 13 is about halfway don't even talk to me about I made it through a show you did a great job

you made the whole show this is Dan Hansa signing off make sure you check out our video show again Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm Connie Fox the old boss and Lindsay Fulton behind the glass until Thursday Hey. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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