NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Revis Retires & What’s More Likely: Training Camp Edition

Episode Date: July 20, 2018

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler & Chris Wesseling - gather to tease a HUGE announcement for the show, then bring you the latest news from around the league, including reaction to Darrell Revis retiring - is he the greatest Jets player ever (10:00)? Earl Thomas wants a trade (19:00), Musburger to become radio voice of Raiders- but what about Papa (25:00)? Another player predicts an undefeated season (28:00) and Jimmy G is a sly devil (31:00). Plus, the heroes play “What’s More Likely: Training Camp Edition” (38:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast were mini-camp holdouts. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented by New Era. My name is Dan Hansis, joined in a room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Oh, yeah, it's another video show. Feeling a little nervous.

Heroes and hats. That's what you're saying. It's a hat show. We call it the hat show. And Mark's wearing one of his fancy boy shirts, so you know it. It's a different type of show. There's a lot more lights on in this room. There's stuff all around us.

It just makes me feel nervous. I'm not sure I can really, if I can get through it. The thousands of listeners that grew up, you know, listening to this podcast and say, don't ever change. Don't ever change. Our promises, even with more lights, even with the great people at New Era involved, same show. It's like when Wayne's World had to deal with Noah's Arcade.

eventually they kind of pushed Noah's RK out of the way. It was still Wayne and Garth. Similar thing. Is that an updated enough pop culture reference? I was going to say, yeah, it will be the same show giving Wayne's World references for the next two days. Hideously out-of-date reference. If you do want to see the video version of this show, it streams tomorrow 9am Pacific, noon, eastern on NFL.com slash ATN live. Nice new vanity URL.

Get excited. And if you miss the live stream, that same link will. also take you to the show. So, I don't know. That's what I'm reading up the card. Great internet direction. Does that make sense? Just go to ATN Live starting noon Eastern.

You can see the show. Eastern. I don't know where you live. It's not enough to us to know. So just figure out the time zone situation. Google. It's your friend. Or Bing it has marked us.

I do not use Bing. I find that Bing is largely, it feels like malware to me at this point. Because I can give up on that Bing sponsorship. Yeah. Random Bing drive-by here. By the way, if you could hear it in our voices, we are all of us are very excited. I just want the audience to know.

We want the audience to know that coming soon, in fact, coming next week, when really the season begins once more with training camps opening up across the country, this podcast will have something very special. Big fucking announcement. A big announcement. What's with the coup?

Because it's a rebirth. The season is upon. I just made that up. Baby cooing. Who doesn't like a baby cooing? It's a nice touch depending on your life situation. That's true. So big announcement, Greg, coming up.

We can't say anything else. And not a fake one. It's not just hyped up. where it's actually something very low level. It's legit, big news. And you're probably thinking, we know, we know what they're going to say. No, you don't. So it's a big announcement.

Is that exciting, Wes? Couldn't be more excited. I'm downright giddy. Very good. And so all that, those good vibes will carry over to today's show, the retirement of one of the all-time greats at his position. We're going to get to that. Updates on Seahawk star Earl Thomas,

Julio Jones of the Falcons, big changes in a broadcast booth of one of the flagship AFC franchises. And yes, we waited, Wes. We waited so long throughout the offseason. Who is going to be the first player to predict his team goes undefeated? That has now happened. In a shocking tournament event, the same player who predicted it last year. I didn't know that.

Yes, it is. And also, Jimmy G. lie dog so we're going to get to all that and then um we haven't done it in a while what's more likely training camp edition oh that's going to be fun mark don't think don't think anybody forgot because it's live on the website now we will get into five reasons why the new england patriots will sneak into the aFC playoffs wow into 2018 or charge i i don't know you i don't i didn't imply sneak in in the actual piece but i believe they will make it and it's the final piece in that series

and I think it's what you leave people with last that they remember and they'll say this guy nailed it. This feels like a solid opinion on NFL.com. Very nicely done. Mark, in a really nice piece. We're going to get to that. But before that, let's do some news. The Jet Show Blitz. Here they come.

Back to throw Rivers. Back pedaling. throws a lob down the right sideline. Jackson hasn't knocked away by Revis. Off the deflection. Revis picks it up. I think it's an interception. He has it. He's back at the 20-yard line. Blockers out in front. out to the 23. Dorel Revis somehow on his back, found the loose ball, and picks it off, a deflected ball off the fingertips of Vincent Jackson.

Bob was choosing, who's a great play-by-play guy for the Jets with the call there. That was, of course, you may know if you're a fan, Revis's big interception against the Chargers in the 2010 playoffs, I believe it was. Dorel Revis, it's all over. He announced officially on Wednesday that he is ending his 11-year career, seven-time Pro Bowl cornerback. He is leaving the game, really celebrated Wes as one of the very best, not just like, oh, when you talk about Dorel Rivas, he's in that group of the top 20 guys. Like, he's probably even in the Mount Rushmore of cover cornerbacks of all time. where do you see Dorel Rivas as he leaves the game at age 33? His 2009 season ranks with Deion Sanders' 1994 season

as the two best cornerback seasons I've ever seen. And if you read Collision Low Crossers about a season with the New York Jets, you will see that that book is a lot about Dorel Rivas and how he is basically the defensive answer to Jerry Rice as far as how obsessed he is with the game, with beating receivers to the spot, running their routes for them, his physical fitness, the way his practice habits, the fact that anyone completing a pass on him in practice would get him

route up, I think the mindset that Jerry Rice had on offense is what Daryl Revis had on defense. I wrote about it on NFL.com yesterday, that 2009 season, if you go down the list, nobody did any business against Revis. And that carried over. Really 2008, Greg, to 2011. is where I see his prime. And then you kind of cut his career in two-hast

when he tore his ACL in 2012. But there was just nobody better at the position. Though that four-year run, and he did get another first team all-pro when he was with the Patriots, but that four-year run with the Jets is how you really think of him. And that four-year run, to me, was as dominant as any defensive player

of the last 15, 16 years, other than maybe J.J. Watt. But I would put basically J.J. Watt in terms of defenders in the 21st century, and I would put Dorel Rivas in that run just in terms of single-handedly changing a game, dominant snap after snap, and

you mentioned collision low crossers, just that his teammates and his coaches, sort of in awe of him. Almost afraid wasn't necessarily always the easiest personality and they just were kind of in awe because he was that great. I mean, when you're young too, you can identify when you get into football. Oh, that wide receiver is different than other wide receiver.

So that running back, Barry Sanders, looks different than other running backs. And a cornerbacks and safety spend much of their time on television off screen, but Revis became this guy that would generate highlights in games as much as anyone else because play after play, like in the college game, when you can take the best weapon on the other side of the ball and remove it, that's how a lot of college football operates. Revis was doing that to the best wide receivers in your piece, and it's out there from NFL research, his performance, not just against regular gibronies, but like the best guys in the game,

he just erased them off the planet. And as a Jets fan, you don't have a lot of nice things. Sometimes I feel like Jets fans don't get nice things. To say the least. And then all of a sudden, Revis showed up. And even though, of course, they never got over the hump truly with the Patriots, never got to the Super Bowl with Revis. For a while there, it felt like the Jets had a chance because Revis was at the center of their defense

and was really like this kind of ace in the hole that Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan called him a once in a lifetime player. And in that apex period around the turn of this, right around the turn of this decade, he called him the best player in the league, period. he's at that level. For that reason is why I wrote that. I think Revis is the best jet ever pound for pound as a player because I know Joe Namath, and although I was getting killed, the most important.

NFL tweeted it out, you know, and didn't, obviously, there's no context in a tweet. No one clicks into it. Joe Namath, I love that man. Never saw him play, but I love that man. He's the most important jet. He remains the face of the jets for better or worse, 40 years after he was the quarterback. but I think Revis was the special type of talent, pound for pound, the greatest jet to ever play. Namath created a moment.

Right. That is indelible and it's one of the greatest moments in NFL history. But he wasn't dominant the way that he was a one, he made all pro first team one time and Dorel Rivas did it four times. Not that that's the only way you can measure it, but in terms of just being at the very top of your position and the top of this point. And I think as soon as I wrote this, I knew somebody might take issue with me. the number one Namath fan I've ever known is the old man So I had to get dad on the phone yesterday

I said dad I don't know if you read the article yet The headline is that Revis is the best jet ever You want to come on the show and get a retort in So he did leave me a voicemail Let's hear His name is Keith He's dad's dad

No doubt about it He's a big Jets fan What is he going to say About the name today what is he going to say about the game today with regards to darrell revis goodbye to the greatest jet and my my feeling is that joe nameth will always be the greatest jet maybe it's because i was young enough to appreciate watching him during his playing days and just see his charisma that he had for the game the long hair the white shoes

you know, it was just like I think he transcended the game. And for that reason, I think he is and will always be the greatest jet, and always will be one of the football players that will be highly regarded for those things that I mentioned. Statistically, we all know he wasn't the best, but as far as I was concerned, anytime he came onto the field, he was the man. And that's why I'll always say he's the greatest jet. But it's fair. It is fair.

And I think that more glowing pros has been written about Joe Namath than any other football player I've ever read about. It's true. I do want to mention Revis's year with the Patriots. We should. Or we move on. Just because it's interesting that he's obviously, I think, the greatest jet of all times in terms of his great play. But that year in New England really meant a lot, not just to Daryl Revis's career, which I really think it does. If you look at his career, you said it was broken up in the time.

two parts. He had that year with the bucks where he was kind of getting over the injury. Ended up playing well at the end of the year. Other than that, really, the post-Jet's first time around career was a little spotty except for that run in New England where he was one of the most valuable players

on a team that brought home their first Super Bowl in what was a decade. And he has a very unique spot in Patriots history. I can't think of another guy who came in for one year and really keyed a Super Bowl championship. But he was a major part of that team, a team that, you know, as a Patriots fan,

probably my second favorite Patriots team to the one that first won, because it had been so long since they won, and I don't think they win that Super Bowl without him. And I do think it kind of changes how we look back on his career that he had that great team. But if you're Dan's dad also, like one, I'd have a hard time as a longtime Jets fan, siding with Revis as my favorite. I think your dad someone named it as being his favorite player, too.

It's dipped in nostalgia. And Revis is someone that went to your arch enemy in the middle of his career, helped them win a Super Bowl and then the Jets got too nostalgic and signed him again to that contract and that never worked out for them. He'll never be anybody's favorite jet because of that reason.

Even though he called Belichick a jerk years before he went and signed with him and won a Super Bowl and also he cannot be forgotten. The one last note I have about his career is after he took the Jets money to come back and good for him. He was a legendary bargain,

a guy that made the most of his leverage. But after a pretty good first year of the contract in 2015, he cratered in the second year And not only was, everybody gets old, but the effort level wasn't there. He wasn't even that old. I know.

He got old quick. And the effort level, you would see him take plays off. You were talking about that legendary competitiveness. It really, as a jet fan, you scratched your head as how did this happen? How could it be the same guy? It was a bittersweet,

kind of a bitter ending. But as a jet fan, I do overall look back at that guy was special. And I think he's a first bout hall of fame. We'll see what happens. Moving on, Brandon Cook. Cooks is getting paid by the Rams who announced they have signed Cooks to a five-year extension that runs through the 2023 season.

Rapsheet reported the deal worth $81 million overall. That includes $20.5 million fully guaranteed at signing $50.5 million in total guarantees. Cooks was entering the final year of his rookie deal slated to make about $8.5 million this season. This comes after the Rams traded for cooks, got him from the Patriots, of course, gave up a first round pick to do it. And now they make him a long-term solution there, Greg. They do. I still haven't totally seen the structure. The fact that it's 20.5 fully guaranteed doesn't sound like that much. This is under radar, by the way. Well, I'm not into the whole report the deal, make it sound good for the agent. Everyone's like, wow, can't believe they're

playing Brandon Cooks, like so much money. It's like all the end years on those contract don't really mean much to me. And my guess, because the longer it takes to get out, the more team friendly it usually is, is that they got him at a pretty good rate for the next two to three years, and that's all that really matters. And I think he'll help them. Well, heads up to NFL network, Steve Weish, friend of the show, who back in April said this would happen. He knew it. And it was back in April, he does. They liked him, though. I think the thing is, it sounds like coming from the Rams organization that they've liked the idea of cooks from the minute he got there. He's been working out with the quarterbacks. The coach staff must believe, after losing Sammy Watkins, that

We don't want to install him for a year and then lose him to free agency. There's got to be some continuity of wide receiver, and he's a player that fits there. McVeigh loves him. They tried to trade for him last offseason, only to be outbid by the Patriots. So they went and got him again, and in his system, he's going to fill that Sammy Watkins role where you just need his speed to get the attention away from all the other guys, Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, the tight ends. And to me, okay, if two of the best five offensive minds in the NFL are, are Josh McDaniels and Sean Peyton.

They decided they didn't want him long term. But McVeigh might be the best offensive mind in the NFL, and he does want him. So what do you do with that information? The Rams led the league and points scored last year. I think they averaged rate at 30 points a game. Do we think they're going to have that type of level of scoring ability? Doesn't it naturally have to come down a little bit?

I don't know. I mean, Cook is a new piece of the puzzle. Watkins was nothing more than a complimentary piece. They're obviously paying cooks to be a big-time playmaker in this office. sort of depends how you judge offense. If it's by total points, then field position and what your defense and special teams do for you matters a lot. If it's by other metrics, the Rams were more like 7th, 8th, 10th in a lot of those categories. I think they can get better. And I think from what I've seen, Cooks is a little underrated in fantasy leagues. People think he's just

going to play that Wackens role. But Cooks is going to catch a lot more short pass, a lot more passes over the middle. I think he is going to be their number one receiver. I'm almost surprised that's not conventional wisdom. He needs to be better with the ball in hands like that has it was supposed to be a strength of his game coming into league and it really hasn't been and he hasn't been a great deep threat but he's a guy i think i'm expecting to go over a thousand yards i'm expecting to get 70 catches there's there's no reason to think robert woods is going to be better than him the play's stuck in my mind because we were we were just watching it from above is in the super bowl on a he needed to convert that first down and he got

stuffed yeah i know exactly that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a tone changing play against the Eagles. Yeah, for a touchdown and he jumped and didn't make the man miss. I think one of the biggest plays in the entire show. I think you should have been thrown out of the league. Get rid of him. There's no tackle-breaking element to his game. Sure. But he's getting

paid to be a star. Let's see how it plays out. Moving on, the Arizona Cardinals, trying to move on from this. Kime bomb ticking all around the team right now, unfortunately. The general manager, Steve Kime, jailed at 9 p.m. on Tuesday evening in Phoenix after pleading guilty to extreme DUI

earlier in the day. He's going to be released today, Thursday, may have happened already. And then seven days house arrest, he has to have one of those ignition interlock device things installed, like, you know it well. Yeah, of course. Judd Appetal's wife in a 40-year-old virgin. See, we're moving up a couple decades there. One of those devices in the cars, which really has to be humbling to have that installed

in your car. Anyway, the Cardinal suspended time five weeks, find them 200K. for this serious DUI incident. Of course, he was arrested on July 4th, as we talked about. He blew a 0.19, which is an extreme DUI. The legal limit in most states is 0.08, as you know, Mark. I mean, you don't want to be, the problem of your Steve Kheim, because he, as I do not know, thank you.

Up until now, he has been, I think, one of the leagues, better general managers. I think he paired really well with Arians. They got along so well. there was a continuity in that organization. Now most people, this, when you'd go out and do something, this is how we think of him for the foreseeable future. I think the one, like, in terms of his, like, suspension,

he's back before final cuts. Yeah, I think after week two of the preseason. Moving on, Earl Thomas, the Seahawks safety. He has a message for the Seattle Seahawks, and it is this posted on Instagram. Always been the underdog. nothing new. This was a posted with a photo of him working out, looking very muscular and athletic, a man still in his prime of his life. Anyway, you seem excited about that. Extend.

Extend. If you don't want me, let's make a trade happen. I understand it's a biz. Thoughts was? Well, this is an escalation of his prior comments that he's not doing any team activities until he gets paid. And now he's just saying, trade me. You know, it's not. no secret, as Cliff Averill said recently, that he loves the Dallas Cowboys, that after games he would rush to see what the Cowboys are doing, or he would want to sit down and watch Monday night football if the Cowboys are playing. All the dots are connecting, but the Seahawks don't want to give him away for, say, a third-round pick, and the Cowboys don't seem to want to give any more than a third-round pick. Thomas skipped last month's mandatory minicam,

insisting at the time he will not participate in team activities until the Seahawks extend a contract one year, eight and a half million. That's not happening. So, I don't think we've heard the last of this showdown. It's one of the only stories heading into camp that I think has some real juice where it could change some of the NFC teams, whether it's the Cowboys Seahawks. Maybe they could trade them.

I don't know if they'd ever think about the 49ers who have a similar defensive scheme. I listed as one of my pending mysteries as we headed into the break. Excellent. I believe I nailed that. Thank you. Speaking of stars grumbling over money.

And they're all millionaires. Where do they get off? That's really your coal miner background. Did you know, by the way, that Bob McAdoo, Ben McAdoo's dad really was a coal miner. He grew up as a coal miner. Yeah, that was tucked away in that. I know that. I've seen them at some of the conventions.

That's legit. Taking their pasties down into the, or pasties down into the cave. When is the last time, Dan, you read a coal miner's convention? I don't remember you leaving town for that. Since I took the job in L.A., it's been tough. But every year barbecue. Do they have convention? Yeah, they meet up at the Phoenix Marriott every year.

It would be held a black lung marriot. It would be held at the local Elks Lodge, and what we do, we'd roast a pig, get a couple cats. And then we just shoot, shoot, the S, and talk about who died, who's sick, who's, you know, who's doing okay. Any sons that are getting aging into it, which is around age nine or ten, it was, you know, that was life. And then the annual canary celebration, of course. That's when you free the canaries that survive. One of the best Pearl River Act. Is that what they do?

I thought the canary was in there to tell him whether it was safe to go in. Part of the Canary Freedom Act at 1917. Julio Jones, he wants more money. He sat out off-season workouts in hopes of getting a new contract. The Falcons are not planning to renegotiate the all-proes receiver. All-Pro receivers deal, though. Three years left on that contract. Rap sheet reported Thursday.

the athletic first had that news. So the third year, with three years left on the deal mark, the Falcons say, no, no, no, we got some other guys we need to lock up. Maybe we'll get to you, Julio, and now I'm just reading between the lines, but not right now. He's got a great case. I mean, he's making about a quarter of a million dollars more than Demerius Thomas right now and has guys like Jarvis Landry and Mike Evans and Sammy Watkins above him.

I mean, this is one of the best players at his position, we've been working in this job. But you also, when you sign these long-term deals, the Falcons own the leverage right now. Yeah, he's got three years left. Almost no one gets new contracts with three years left. Tom Pelliserro from NFL Network did say they promised Julio Jones that they'll, you know, renegotiate or enter contract talks after the season.

I don't know what that really means. It's not like you can promise them a new contract. Hey, we'll talk after the season. It just seems like an olive branch so that Julio can show up, you know, with his pride intact. I think this story is not going to last too long. I think he's going to show up. I mean, how many guest rooms do you need at a certain point?

How big your yacht got to be? I mean, Wes went through a period where he complained, and as we all did, but he was quite vocal about his salary. And then it was addressed to some degree. And is Wes coming back one year later saying do it again? Yes. He knows. Oh, are you?

I have not mentioned my salary since I was supremely underpaid a couple of years ago. That's right. So don't sign a five-year deal or whatever. Then year two, you're starting to squawk. Sit down. Very nice. Moving on. Not specifically to Julio Jones, but just in general.

Here's a report from our boy, Gil Manzano, who used to work on the desk here at NFL media. And now he's doing good things at the Las Vegas Review Journal. He reported. Hey, Gil. Hey, O Gil. Says he still listens to the show. Nice.

Shouts to Gil. The report, an exclusive one, that Brent Musburger, the man that once upon a time, felt deeply in love with A.J. McCarran's girlfriend, on live television. But he also's had a good career around that as well. But that's something that's happened. Anyway, he will soon be calling games for the Oakland Raiders, soon to be the Las Vegas

Raiders. Musburger has agreed to a three-year deal to be the radio play-by-play voice for the Raiders starting this season. And Musburger, who's 79 years old, and the Raiders at the time declined to comment. And it was because, as Gil referenced in his report, Greg Papa, who he know Greg Papa touchdown Raiders

I mean come on he has a famous touchdown call and everyone was wondering for a few days well what about Greg and according to Gil he might not yet know of the switch at the time of this reporting but the Raiders released a statement Thursday thanking Greg

Papa for his I believe two decades of work behind the mic but it's Brent time now baby when you become an institution, as Papa was. Everybody bite into a Musburger. Sometimes you become a little too invested. Right.

And he was close with Al Davis. And some of the statements he was making, some of the opinions he had were so strong that if I was Mark Davis, I would have had issues with him too. And this happens all the time to people who are institutions. But Musburger is an institution too. And not at the peak of his career right now. And they met, you know, he mentioned, Mark Davis mentioned, you know, that Greg Poppe had become an institution for two decades. Everyone will think of him.

You know, this is, it's not going to be like a long-term hire. Musburger's made some quite some shaky, shaky comments, not just about A.J. McCarran's future wife, but he said some questionable things on Twitter over the last couple of years. Are you saying that Brent Musburger is in a hashtag gradual decline? I don't know about gradual. I mean, the Raiders have done some weird stuff. off season, but Wes is, West nailed it. This is there moving to Vegas and they're not bringing Greg Papa with them. And it has to do with being in the final chapter of a standoff. He called Al Davis a second father to him and he backed everything that Al Davis did. And when Al Davis

fired Mike Shanahan. And when Mark Davis, before hiring the previous coach, wanted to bring in Mike Shanahan as a candidate, Greg Papa flamed him on the radio. And typically your team play by play guy is a little bit more PR-oriented. You don't go flaming ownership. Sometimes when you're so invested, you forget that you're not the owner. The owner is the owner. It is a great preview, though, of

how different this Vegas Raiders thing is going to be. Because, you know, I would assume one of the big reasons they hired Musburger is he is a part owner in a Las Vegas sports and information network. Like, he has started essentially

a gambling network and he got out in front of it a couple years ago, and it's probably looking look like a good investment. And the Raiders, I think with this hire, they're tacitly getting ahead of that. And I think they're going to want to be the team at the forefront of gambling on football. It seemed like when... Greg also a part owner in that organization. Majority owner. Yeah.

Musburger, when he... I hope Brent doesn't listen to this because I do want to go work there in a few years when I lose this. Well, that's a podcast. No, Musburger, when he got, you know, cut loose by CBS and then you heard that he took a job, like writing a gambling column in Vegas. It seemed like maybe Brent Musburger, Broadcasting Legend, was a little above it. But it seems like he was ahead of the curve on all this.

And now he's got a great broadcasting gig for an NFL team. And everything's coming up, Musburger. Maybe McCarren's wife, you know, should have went down Musburger Lane. No, I think she's probably very content with her own choice. The husband's freezing his ass off, you know, as a backup quarterback now in Buffalo after doing a, doing a, what are they called in the prison talk? we did a stint not a stint i did a bit he did a bit in cincinnati and now he's going up to buffalo meanwhile musburger's setting the world on fire in Vegas i'm just saying you ever heard of love

dan doesn't exist it's not always upgrade avenue then moving on malick jackson is the man yes we waited uh we have a trope alert uh someone uh throwing out the undefeated bomb And it is. Tropolat. The Jaguar star said to TMZ Sports. So whenever I see something come from TMZ Sports, I'm assuming the player is coming out of a bar probably a little bit drunk. That's always my guess.

Or an airport, a little drunk off the plane. Yeah. Anyway, he said this. I think we're going 16 and 0. And then he doubled down. I'm calling it. 16 and 0. I don't think anybody can beat us as long as we stay healthy.

do what we're supposed to do. And this is our training camp spotlight, Dan, of course. Oh, of course it is. It's the training camp spotlight presented by new era. So with that in mind, Greg, any chance. Is there any chance? Forget about 16 and 0. Oh.

You know, that the Jags can be 6 in October, a team where we're starting to get a little juiced about. Sure, there's a chance. I mean, I would give them, I would give them as good a chance as almost any. the other team, but 60-0 is not going to happen. This is the same guy who predicted they were going to win the Super Bowl last year. And he said they were going to go. Almost.

He basically said they were going to go 16-0 last year, too. They play the Patriots in week two. So there's that showdown looming. And they showed him as the second part of this interview on the reporter's phone, pictures of Tom Brady nestled at a beach with Giselle. And Tom Brady, I mean, we all love Tom Brady as an athlete, was looking a little dad bodish, like it just wasn't a chiseled physique. He's never been like...

No, he hasn't, but it was definitely like the guy's got a bit of a dad bod. And they asked Malik Jackson about it. And he said, hopefully week two, man, he's looking like that. He looks a little sluggish. Whoa. When the... What's a burner. Patriots went undefeated in the regular season, 2007.

They came out like a house on fire. And then throughout the year you saw, especially late in the year, they needed some comebacks. The Jacksonville Jaguars are built to play with the lead. They are not built for these. dramatic comebacks that they're going to need over the course of a 16 game season. This is an impossibility with Blake Bortles at quarterdown. There's a much better chance they finish in third place than go 16.

Yeah, I would be shocked that they make it out of September undefeated. But, you know, this is the type of jargon banter we have when we're, you know, under that training camp spotlight presented by New Era. It's better than, it's better than a year ago when Ricardo Lewis of the Brown. People don't remember. Who? Of the Browns, Ricardo Lewis predicted they would go 0 in 16. And he was right. No one ever does.

People don't do that very often. We're going to do it. We're going to go out of 16. And finally in the news, oh, speaking of TMZ, I'm just going to read it. By the way, before I read this note, no judgment zone.

49ers quarterback Jimmy Garapolo was spotted in Beverly Hills, which is a stone's throw away from this very studio on Wednesday night at dinner. And it was a date. He was on a date. and the date that he was on was with a well-known woman. A well-known woman who works in an industry that caters toward adults.

It's the adult industry, the silver screen, the adult film industry. He was on a date with an adult film actress, and TMC got footage of them cozying up, and then I won't get into it, but the actress named Kiara Mia on her Instagram account posted something that I would

I would label very suggestive about how the evening ended. So Jimmy Garapolo and an adult film star out on a date documented out everywhere

no judgment zone I will say this though I will say this smells like judgment already no no I'll say this huh okay Jimmy Jimmy J

a little surprise that's all just even bringing this up in some of the conversation, you know, before the show, I feel like just bringing it up at all is, is a judgment that I'm not comforted with. Let a man do what he wants. Why can't we judge a woman? Why can't we judge people's actions? Greg, that is ridiculous that you're trying to spin it like that. Get it out of the, get it out of their pockets. Leave it alone. Get it out of their pockets. Can't judge people's actions now? No. I think it just turned people's heads because when it was gronk, it's for the fifth or six time we've seen gronk do that. And with Jimmy G. Who has been. And all we know of him is his on-field play and how studious he is.

And it was a bit, I thought it was an interesting, you would have picked a player out of a hat to do that. It's not the first guy I would have said, would it be on my top ten list? But why not? We don't know him. I don't know him. So it's just because of what's been presented to me. Why? Because if you are one of the most handsome players in the league, you earn over $130 million now.

You can have any woman you want. To me, I would like to see him expand. Sort of his dating pool. All right. What do you know about what he likes and his preferences and whatever he wants? He can date whoever he wants. He can. I'm allowed to be disappointed in it too.

And I think society is moving forward in a positive way here. You can, as a woman, you could work in industries that catered toward the adults, end of the spectrum. So I'm not judging that. I'm just a little surprise, Jimmy. For the record, I'm judging it. And I don't feel bad about it. Captain America. It's free will.

but it's like you have to know it's going to get if you're that star quarterback, it's going to get on TMZ and it's going to do all that. Do we care about that if you're the Niners or him? Maybe not. We don't know. I think the Niners probably had a conversation today. Maybe not with G but internally probably. Every coach and gym you ever talk to,

what they don't like in general is just distraction in any form. They should be worried about whether players are just how they treat women, not really worried about who they're dating them. Well, I think that how they treat women should, be by far the priority, but yeah, I, you do have free will to do whatever you want and we have free will to judge you for it. Jimmy G. You sly devil. That's what's happening in the news. Before we get to the what's more likely training camp edition, yes, we teased it earlier in the week. Oh my goodness. Mark Sessler, Adam Rank, tag teaming on one of the most, I don't know, laborious

long-term segments in the history of NFLmedia.com writing where you made the case for every team they will make the playoffs. I don't care if you're the Browns or the Redskins or the Titans. Every team got a write-up explaining that they will make the playoffs, which presents logistical issues, of course. To say the least. But it ended with the New England Patriots. And everyone was how will Mark handle this? And I read the piece, I thought you did a nice job, but just like laying out the facts. It's, well, the problem with these, some of these,

you have to go into an area that feels non-factual. You're sort of saying this team, which is a sort of a mess, if these things happen, then this might happen to them. With the Patriots, it's like, just keep doing what you've been doing, keep playing in the division that you've been playing in. And minus some sort of in-house implosion, I mean, the piece somewhat wrote itself. Yes, I mean you...

Part of me wish it was just you click into the story and it's like the headline, the Patriots will make the playoff. I pitch that. And then just one word, because. I pitched that and that was not what they were looking for. See 2009 through 2017. Yeah. Next year maybe convince your editor to just simply have one article titled NFL should expand playoff field to 32 teams.

Then you're definitely. That's sort of like, that was like the sub theme to this whole thing. Logically, it checks out in that case. I also, I mentioned you in the piece, which is like, that's one way to get Dan to read it. And I say, hey, man, put your name in here. And then he's like at least going to sit through looking for where his name is hyperlinked. I did like a edit search. I did an edit search.

I saw it. I said, okay. I've been referenced. Click out. Move on. So, but if we would have put just because, period, you would have robbed the readers of some nice Sessler pros. So good work there, Mark.

Yeah, it's, you know. They were not down with that. That would have been a very easy way to wrap that assignment up in about 12 seconds or however long it takes to type because. And no was the answer. You never know. I mean, Bucky Brooks was on Move the Sticks podcast,

saying the Jets are the biggest threats there to the Patriots this year. This year? Watch out. He said, watch out this year. But there's always been one of those three teams that is. That doesn't mean they're going to go better than six and ten in their own right.

I think when the Jets were good, the Patriots probably should have been more scared of them than when they are now. I can't argue any of this. Jets are a couple years away. But that would be great. If the Jets were in the mix of the AFC East, that would mean the Pats really are on their way to a dirt nap,

then it would be one of those like nine and seven division winners. I cannot see the Pats there yet, but this will be an interesting year in New England. Good job, Mark. Thank you. Done with that item of discussion. Moving on. Really seemed excited about it being part of the show.

Moving on, yes, it's been a while. So let's play one of our favorite games. What's More Likely? All right. It's been a minute since we went down. What's More Likely Boulevard? This is a game. First of all, it's a game usually.

Mark didn't talk to you before. You usually conflate this with Qualis 2 Fantasia. I know that's an oft charge against me. So I attempted to not do that this time. Well, definitely never want to censor the quiet storm. No, but it was a fair thing. It's like, but I will try not to. Who knows?

We'll see. We're going to see how it plays out. What's more likely? It's a game where you take two options. And this is a training camp edition. So something training camp preseason related, basically everything before the calendar turns over to September. Two possibilities, which one is more likely?

It's a simple game. But it's a fun one, isn't it, Chris? Oh, it's one of my favorites. All right. It was definitely one when we brought it up, you know, before the show, our friend Sully was in the room. And when he heard about it, he was like, fuck, yeah. There was a fist pump. That was interesting.

It was really excited. You never know it's going to get Sully pumped up. You know, sometimes it's fishing, hunting, of course, Tennessee football. And you can now add what's more likely to that list. Another item on the list. What's More Likely? So let's do it. We should do a segment, What's More Likely to Get Sully Pumped Up?

I could guess a few things. Barbecue. Bluegrass, concert. Blue grass. Hops. Is he back there? He left. Oh, I mean, what are we doing?

Oh, he's doing this one. Performing it. All right, get us going, Mark. All right, so here we go. What's more likely? Hard Knocks has just wrapped. What's more likely? The Browns come out of the HBO series,

having largely won over the football deep state for being a team that, despite its rocky history, looks to be turning the corner with one of the leagues more intriguing rosters both on and off the field. or this experiment goes horribly wrong. Viewers witnessed too much bungling from the coaching staff, a rash of players who come across like raging headcases,

and the general vibe is that of a troubling circus, not a team on the rise. Let's start. The latter, obviously, my imagination doesn't work well enough to consider the former. But from what I've seen of the Browns, It's just like every year, it's the latter. I think this is a very easy answer.

It is the former. It is that the populace grows to like the Browns. First of all, this is made by NFL films. It's not made to make the teams look bad. But sometimes they do. I've come out of almost every single one of these feeling better about the team with Joe Philbin's dolphins being one. I was going to say the Dolphins.

Notable exception. I think the Rams were just there. They were a little boring, but they weren't. aren't like there. I just think I can look around the executive staff and some of the players, I think, have a good group from what you see. It's just like there are a couple sort of sitting ducks out there that if they don't hit it out of the park, perception-wise, they're already in an uphill battle.

Let's start with you, Jackson. Mark's radar. It's been for years. Like the anxiety of Sundays watching the Browns with Mark is now going to be like Wednesdays in August. It's like starting a month early. Also, to use an industry term, I believe the teams have final cut on this. Like, they get to take a look at it.

I don't like that either. And I know, like, the GM was vocal about not wanting to do the show. I think the NFL might even go out of their way to help the Browns. And obviously, what this show is for the Browns is public PR. They've been the league's embarrassment for years now. So I would think with all the kind of, it's a show of optimism. One of the reasons I like Hard Knocks. It's a show about looking ahead.

to a season and almost every team except for the 2012 dolphins comes off the season looks bright the bucks looked like they were going to go 19 at all last year so i think they will have plenty of positive subplots i'm saying this to you mark to make you feel better and not be nervous there will be plenty of positive things for them to focus on and even if they have a bad preseason for instance they usually gloss over that uh if they go on for i think you're going to have a nice picture of your team and you're going to be excited i'm just glad this is this is like the third segment of Greg Williams in our life following all or nothing,

Greg Williams and a little bit too much. It's a lot of Greg Williams. Can't edit everything out. Also, but I think they'll be smart enough, although he is kind of good TV, just because he is Bud Kilmer, that we don't need to see too much more behind the scenes of Greg Williams,

but we'll see what they do. Wes, you're up. I don't need to see any Greg Williams and I will not be watching. Oh, Wes. That's a great show. No, I don't need Greg Williams in my life just because you want to put him on TV.

barely going to be in it. I think he's going to be in it a lot. Fast forward to Greg Williams. No, Greg Williams. No, I've seen enough of that guy. Remember how much Hugh Jackson chewed up the scenery in the Cincinnati hard knocks the first one? He is going to be all over the show. And I think he might actually kind of maybe overshadow the rest of the assistants.

We'll see. What's More Likely? What's More Likely? Des Bryant signs with the Buffalo Bills or Adrian Peterson signs with the Buffalo Bills. Well, we have the, obviously, the LaShaul McCoy situation, which has gone a little dark in the past few days. So we don't know where that is. But even behind McCoy as it stands, if McCoy was there, who else is in that building? Chris Ivory?

Like, I don't, you don't know a whole lot. He got benched by the Jaguars down the stretch. DeMarco Murray just retired. He gave him a lot of money. They gave Chris Ivory a surprising amount of money. I would go Des Bryant because I do believe Des Bryant. is going to be in the NFL this year, and I don't necessarily expect Adrian Peterson to.

He could be, but I have no idea. Whereas Des will, he really should wind up on a team sooner than later. There were reports early on when Des first got released that the bills were interested in him, but that he had no interested in them. That's my bigger issue. Even if it means he doesn't play, does Des Bryant agree to go to a Bill's team

that could go 3 and 13, 4 and 12? You've got to keep his career going. Exactly. I think at a certain point, if he doesn't have any other option, that would make sense. I'll go with Des. I think that's probably the likely stance. All right. Next, here we go.

What's more likely? What's more likely? Speaking of the Cowboys, Earl Thomas is a Cowboy by this time next month. So what are we now right now, July 18th? So August 18th. Or the Cowboys have a new number one wide receiver option other than that. Alan Hearns. And I'm not saying

they're going to have Julio Jones on the team, but somebody in the Alan Hern's hemisphere where they can at least say, well, all right, we can hedge our bets a little bit

rather than just push all the chips in on Mr. Hearns. I think it's Earl Thomas because I think the Cowboys already feel like they got their guy in Alan Hearns. Yeah, I don't know.

They're not going to bring someone in from outside of the organization through a trade. I think that's going to go to the top. I suppose it's possible. But it's hard to imagine. I'm not saying he would be installed of this mystery man. I'm saying it would give them somebody that even as the season progresses,

maybe blossoms into that. I see a little bit of Jerry Jones pride involved here where it's like if you turn around after cutting Des Bryant, and even if we get the Des Bryant is not your number one guy, and you have to give up draft capital to get someone else's wide receiver to be your number one guy. It just doesn't look. The whole thing does not look good on Jerry Jones.

They don't really, yeah. I think they're going to enter their season without a number one receiver. Do we think Earl's there? They're going to enter the season without a number two receiver. I mean, it's... I think Earl's still, as Greg said, still a very distinct possibility

that this could happen. To Dan's point, they are probably the number one or they're up there team to watch for some sort of veteran receivers that might have an issue or get traded or get cut at the end of the camp. They're going to be a team that's looking for one. The depth chart is that suspect

where I think they almost have to keep looking and maybe something clicks. Great. Well, I'll just keep the theme going. who is more likely I thought you say what's more likely at the end you can do it anyway

what makes you feel comfortable you can do Teddy Bridgewater gets traded by the end of training camp or Paxton Lynch gets traded by the end of trading camp or Earl Thomas gets traded by the end of training camp

What's more likely What's more likely I rank them Earl Thomas or Paxton Lynch third Earl Thomas second Teddy Bridgewater first So you think Teddy Bridgewater

Well Paxton Lynch is a guy I think it would be traded for like a conditional seventh round pick or something like that Who wants Paxton Lynch? Probably not many people Jerry Jones wanted a Cowboys Teddy Bridgewater has a chance

to show something where suddenly there could be a bit of a bidding war if you're a team that needs whatever Teddy Bridgewater brings you if you don't have a I mean the starters are mostly sealed up of most of these teams. Earl Thomas to me just feels like the most likely thing because

of the angst involved in that situation already. Paxton, I think, and if you listen to certain people, whether it's in the football cognizanti or behind the scenes. It's a creepy look you just conversations at the local bars. The meat mop look there. I don't think Paxton, I think he's got stink on a Paxton Lynch. It's not just that he's struggle or it has. has not been worth the first round pick. So I don't think anybody... It's not a good sign when Chad Kelly, Jim Kelly's son, seventh round pick is believed to be a very serious competitor

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All right. largely unknown stat over the past decade, and I look this up, it took me about an hour to do this, no preseason has had more than four undefeated teams. What's more likely? Five teams go undefeated this preseason, or one current member of the Around the NFL podcast has a negative encounter with an animal. For instance, a bird flies into Greg's kitchen window, splatters all over the glass, and immediately dies, or Dan is bit on the butt cheek by a dog.

For the bird, for you having to clean it up, not in a positive. Man bit on his butt sheet by a dog on your buttocks. Or Wes runs over a possum on the PCH or finally maybe Colleen comes back from Europe with foot and mouth disease. Is Colleen coming back from Europe? That's a great question in itself. What a gig. So what's more likely? Five plus undefeated preseason teams or animal encounter.

Do bugs count? No. Okay. Because I have these really stupid bugs I mean like a giant spider Like a Black Widow spider would Every time This time of year

Every year We have a screen door like many homes In L.A. do Like those heavy screen doors And right around this time of year Emily and I will be watching television at night And all of a sudden you'll just hear these things Like

Just slamming into our door And then sometimes they crawl under And they're these like big stupid Like dumb looking things And they just crawl around The living room like very sad looking creatures. Now, I mean, I'm not counting now.

That's a nice, that's an interesting story you've told. Could they potentially overrun the home and it become a major issue for me? Would that count? You're saying no. House being overrun by insects to the, yeah, I think that would. Oh, I would. What you presented for the undefeated preseason scenario seems like an extreme mathematic unlikelyhood, whereas I've learned when you have a backyard in your life,

animals become a bigger part of your life there's definitely a chance of an encounter with an animal so i'm going with that yeah i think i think animals you said that and it just set off my spiky senses of some sort of interaction one of us going to have maybe with the neighborhood dog i have a very good relationship none of us have none of us have any animals rats i'm not concerned about dogs rats would qualify rats would qualify and i've seen one on the power lines right above my garage i've got actually if you're bitten by a rat while you're sleeping on like on the face or stomach i I've got many pet crickets that live inside my walls and just chirp at night with me. Pet crickets.

That does not count. I've had rat encounters before. You don't want them. I want to circle back to Greg not seeing any sadness and a bird smashing itself to death in front of you. And you just be like, so what's so bad about that? Yeah. It would terrify your children, by the way. I think it's evolution.

If they can't figure that out, they probably don't deserve to be there. Little Patrick Bateman, that's all I'm saying. That was the joke, yeah. All right, Wes. Get your facial recognition technology together. We're going down to the lab. Are you ready? Mark's coming, right?

Mark's coming. Did you accept the invite? I don't know. I was thinking like, what if I just opened my own lab with its whole different vibes? The three of us are going to the lab because Mark's going to stand on Fantasy Corner for this one. Oh, okay. So that's interesting to them. Ravens, what's more likely?

Yeah. Ravens rookie quarterback Lamar Jackson emerges as the trendy. late-round fantasy sleeper next month, or Colts rookie running back Jordan Wilkins emerges as the trendy late-round fantasy sleeper. No Frank Gore, Marlon Mack coming off shoulder surgery, Robert Turbin suspended four games. Jordan Wilkins underrated in the draft,

a potential late-round gem. Which one is more likely to be a fantasy sleeper? Who's the first one again? Lamar Jackson. I'm going to go with Wilkins. because Jackson, such a long shot to be even starting week one. And even if he was starting week one, granted the running rookie quarterbacks have had success in fantasy,

but usually the fantasy community kind of doesn't really get too excited about rookie quarterbacks regardless. So I'm going Wilkins. I'm with you. I think it's just like about volume that Wilkins, if all these other things create a void and chaos in that backfield, suddenly this guy's going to be getting 15, 20 rushes a game. I think that the cool.

Colts offense should be high on fantasy leaguers radars this year. Yeah, I think that's a good point. Ryan Grant is another guy if he's healthy in camp that I was thinking. We are wildly overdue for a useful fantasy season for a Colts running back. When's the last time that that was the case? Joseph Adai? I think that might be right. My God, what was that, like eight years ago?

Since before they drafted luck. Dick Ballard had a little run, but didn't. That was more like a late-round or late-season waiver pickup. My goodness. Yeah, that would be my chance. I've checked out. Okay. My second one kind of we've crossed over it a couple of times,

so I'm just going to throw it over to Greg to close us out. How about Nathan Peterman starts week one or Baker Mayfield starts week one? What's more likely? The Baker. I think it's Baker Mayfield, just based on talent. I think he has a chance to be better than Tyrod Taylor right away. and I don't think Nathan Peterman is going to look good compared to Josh Allen. Well, it would raise the question then back to the Brown's coaching stuff.

That's true. Why do you spend all offseason telling us that like a nuclear bomb would have to land on Tyrod Taylor for him not to start? It is the Browns though. They are the team that you would least be surprised if this happened. Then you'd have been encouraged that they made the right decision by picking the better player. It's also the Browns, so you can't totally rule out the bomb happening. Just sane. Right.

Possible. I'm going Peterman because I think they like Peterman. I think you've got nothing else a quarterback that seems a good guarantee. And with what's going on, I would take Josh Allen and just say, no way are you going on the field for a while. What about A.J. McCarran? I think beating out A.J. McCarran is not an impossibility. That's what I'm saying.

They like Peter. No, that's a mustburger. I guess. Oh! It's getting hot in here. McCarran is there. He's in the building, Peterman. I guess they still like him.

Is it impossible to see A.J. McCarran playing himself. out of a starting job also in the preseason? Of course, it's possible. You know. What are they doing? If Nathan Peterman is the starting quarterback week one, I am not feeling very good about the bills winning. You're like, this year's Broncos.

Yeah. Quarterback. I mean, I'm like, I know everybody's got the bills peg right now between probably what, three and zero and five wins. I'm taking the under if Nathan Peterman comes out of camp and they're like, this is the best guy for us right now. Well, who would push you to the over? I mean, is it McCarron?

McCarron maybe would be a guy that can not fall on his face. McCarran or Allen. Yeah, and Alan is the guy that's kind of like. I have no reason to think that A.J. McCarran is better than Nathan Peterman. Well, Nathan Peterman's prior experience in the NFL, AJ McCarrens has not been great either, but Peterman was historically terrible when he got a chance. One coaching staff decided that Peterman had earned an audition,

and the other coaching staff decided over four years that A.J. McCarran had never earned it on it. So you can't have it both ways there, though. because you always say Cincinnati is too slow. They don't make any moves. He probably should have had a chance by now, but it's the Bengals, and that's what they do. I don't think I've ever said that the Bengals' coaching staff can't evaluate their own talent. They are inept in other ways.

I guess it's just the very Cincinnati thing to me that they never took a look at Nickarren more other than when he played when Dalton was injured. Maybe they saw enough then. Well, we might find out because we'll probably see all three of those guys. That's what I think you're going to see them all. All right. By the way, again, this is a video show.

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