NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Rookie 'Over/Unders'

Episode Date: May 9, 2016

A room filled with heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler – discuss the latest news from the NFL, including Sam Bradford reporting for voluntary workouts and Peyton Manning visiting Miami to tutor Ryan Tannehill. Then the heroes jump into more Over/Unders and predict who will have a great rookie year and who will fall short.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. What is happening? What is going on? By the way, that's not true that we don't like other sports.

Wes Monster San Antonio Spurs fan. That's true. He's a little nervous, by the way, 2-2 now. I used to be a softball fan until last Thursday night. Oh, wow. Uh-oh. We're going there again. I was going to say,

Mark is really the only one who doesn't like other sports. I'm jumping back on the redsaxon. I love tennis. We've got so much available time, and watching or latching on to another sport does not crack my top 50 of things I want to do during the NFL off season.

It's about escapism. When you're working in a cubicle at some law firm, football is your escape. When you're covering football all day, sports are no longer what you want to escape to when you get home. Softball supposed to be your guy's escape. It was an escape from fun.

Before the game even started Thursday night, I was watching warm-ups and realized that my little diva act about the starting lineup where I was batting meant absolutely nothing. I could have batted 27th in this game, and it wouldn't have mattered. I don't know why we're talking about softball again to lead the show, but I will say it was on Cinco de Mayo the game was played, and I got to the field about a half hour before as a good captain slash manager, Mr. Manager.

And when half my team rolled in a little woozy for first pitch, that's when I knew the game was over. Had nothing to do with the outcome. And Wes was with some of those people. I just want to say, that's my number three hitter? No, I'm not your number three hitter. So if you're not going to put me third, I might as well have a few pops before.

Well, wait, and don't bury the lead here, Dan. I got Reggie Jackson over here. The fearless, fearless leader on top of the team is terrible. Let's start with there. But on top of it, you come out of the game, just a waste of three hours of your time, with a torn hamstring. I tore my hamstring, yeah, on the second to the last play of the game of all things,

on a ground ball to second, down 21-6. I had a tear in my hamstring, blood under the skin. Very disgusting, very painful. It could not bend down all weekend, which made Mother's Day on Sunday a lot of fun. When you're a big part of Mother's Day, and, Wes, one day you will learn the same thing, is you're supposed to kind of pick up the mantle of, almost both parents are supposed to be the one

doing the heavy lifting to say the least and let mom enjoy her day as she certainly does deserve it. We're all very lucky to have great wives. But that's very hard to do when you have almost a two-year-old

and a torn hamstring trying to run around, bend over. He's asking for you to pick him up every like 31 seconds. Just a total misery show for the old Zusser on Sunday. Let the record show in a game which we had no chance to win

down at least 15 runs. The old Zusser was hustling down the first base. Literally, if I had to make a list of the ten stupidest things I've ever done, it was busting it down the first base line, down 21-6 in the last inning. Two spots up on that list, forming the softball team to begin with. I saw the sniper up in the trees when you went down like a sack of potato in the first base. I didn't go quite, I almost went collapse, which would have been even more tragic.

But two big signings, by the way, softball team. We have some issues on the female side of the ball, not pointing fingers, but we need to juice up the roster on that side. Two big signings over the weekend. So we'll see if it makes a difference. And we'll keep you guys track, you know, keep you guys up to date. I know a lot of people are interested. And before you write it off, Mark, we're only one in one.

I believe that's put in a ton of work this weekend in a behind-the-scenes scouting project that someone else can take credit for when it works. Your due diligence is something to behold. I would just say anyone on the roster, male or female, that continues to not perform. We've got other options. Absolutely. Today's podcast is a solid one.

I'm going to give it a pre-show grade of a B-plus. That's like your default pre-show. Nice, steady pre-show. I mean, if it was less than a B-plus, I'd be worried about the direction of the show in general. But I'm proud of the show, and I believe every show has the potential to be an A, but it's got to start somewhere.

And that's B-plus. And what we're going to do today, how are you doing, Greg? I'm great. Yeah? I'm fantastic You're watching some tennis on Mother's Day That's kind of cheating What do you mean?

Not at all Watching the Spanish Open I heard What are you talking about? No, not on Mother's Day Is there a Spanish Open? Madrid, you know, wrapped up I watched Saturday Some good action Saturday

Yeah That was not Mother's Day though yeah Well good to see you The boss A good topic today This segment It's going to be a segment called over under on rookies and using one of those what are they called ambersands

ampersand amber sand amper sand old faces slash new places so we're going to take all the rookies all the guy veterans that are in new places and i will throw out some over unders on their production in the 2016 season and we'll see where we all come down and you guys are always welcome to throw in some of your own. So that's going to be fun. News is fun, too. There's always a ton of stuff to talk about in the NFL, even in this quiet time. So why don't we get to it?

The Irish and behind the glass, how are you doing, buddy? I'm doing great, Dan. Great. Would you mind if we started the news? Of course. You know, you're a lie. I think you're great. You're my best friend. Anybody?

You've lost me on that one. It's usually the office. Yeah, that would be my guess. But I don't... Is it the office? Yeah, it's Michael the Toby. Is it late period office? Season five.

All right, so you're still leaning a little on the late side, bro. Oh, dude, I want five. Come on, man. The other one was like eight that I did, so... If we're going to use... I'm going to make a rule here. And you know I love your work behind the glass. And I don't follow your rules, but go on.

Listen, you won't work here anymore. I won't after October anyway. I will shut you down completely Irishman if you don't listen to me right now. Season 1 through 3, the office is the only drops you're allowed to use. I don't want to be this guy, but I've got to be. Because, Mark, you know, anything past season 4, it's a night. I agree with you on this whole. Total case study in our nation's inability to cut a show off when they should.

That's fair. Complete inability to do that. Like friends after the first four episodes. You know, Wes, you're showing your age there. I'm sorry it's not mash. I don't even watch match. All right. You okay, Brandon?

I'm sorry. Oh, no, we're just, you know. It's panter. It might be a millennial thing, like they thought the office was a show that should be looked at as a whole, but let's, you know. Greg is, I'm going to look at it. Greg wants us to get into the news swiftly. Well, it's because I'm not allowed to share my opinions, which is like the office in general. Why aren't you allowed?

Well, A, you just did. Well, I know, but you guys don't like it. I've made, I've made that. No martyr routine. No one wants to hear that. I just called the back end of the show a waste of time. That's true. That's okay if you didn't like it that much.

I mean, I watched it a couple seasons, and that was good. Okay. That was enough. I liked hearing your opinion on it, Greg. Wow. This is a new turn. Greg's not allowed to give his opinion. Apparently.

Let's get going with Sam Bradford, who, you know, he sent his agent out to do a lot of dirty work in the last few weeks, calling up any radio station that would have him to spread the word that Sam Bradford did not want to be in Philadelphia anymore. He wanted to be with a team that saw him as a long-term solution. but guess what? Mark Sessler. He didn't have any leverage, Sam Bradford. So guess what? He has to get to work. So NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport reported that Bradford officially returned to the Eagles facility Monday morning. We then saw some clips online.

Then on Twitter of Bradford in action. So he is back. He released a statement. I'm excited to be back on the field today with my teammates and coaches. The business side of football is sometimes a necessary consideration, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Greg, your thoughts. None of this mattered. I didn't have that big of a problem with him doing it ahead of time. He was trying to exercise the little leverage that he could to see if he could be the starting quarterback of the Broncos. That's basically what Ian Rappaport reported today.

I mean, they were hoping that something could work out for Denver. It didn't work. He should have just returned immediately after the draft when he realized it didn't work. He waits a week. He missed a couple of meaningless weeks, and he'll be their starter week one. I'm so sick of everybody trying to exercise whatever scant leverage they have. Yeah. Instead of doing the common sense thing, the guy's been the most overpaid player in football since he entered the league.

He's about the 28th best quarterback in the NFL. Go compete. I'm sorry. I agree with that vantage point, too. Like, I totally understand everyone that has a big problem with it. I'm coming at it more that it's not going to end up impacting the Eagles at all. that he's going to be their starter. I'd be really surprised if he was.

One of the quicker heel turns by not a star player, but a well-known quarterback that we've seen. Because even if he was massively underwhelming with the Rams, there was a lot of optimism that he could have some sort of a comeback story and tell a nice tale. Last year at this time, last August. So at this point now, the minute that statement came out, all it was was panned and snark

and people just shooting it down and seeing him as completely, he was in a bad spot if he didn't battle this situation but he looks just like a bad teammate at this point to a lot of people well right he could not have done more in in quicker time to get i mean nothing happened nothing could have gone any worse in this scenario he basically just annoyed the entire city of philadelphia and got absolutely nothing out of it uh you know it's uh the quiet time of the year when there's a star player saying he can defy the odds and play to an age that No one has ever thrived that before. Adrian Peterson was that guy, an interview with Monday morning quarterback.

He said that he's 31 years old now coming off a rushing title. He believes he can play at a high level until he's 40 years old. Peterson also had to say this about his team, the Minnesota Vikings, who, of course, won double-digit games and made the playoffs last year. We are going to have a good chance to win it this year, win everything, he told Peter King. Sit back and watch. Sit back and watch. You can be like, I thought you guys were at least a couple of years.

away. Nope, you sit back and watch this year. Guys, Wes, what is more likely that Adrian Peterson is a productive running back at age 40, where the Vikings win the Super Bowl this year? Vikings win the Super Bowl this year? Is either likely? No. Is it just me or does Adrian Peterson tell this story to Peter King every year now? Well, he always says he's going to play to 40. He always says he's going to run for 2,500 yards. I'm going to break Emmett Smith's record. This is like the same story every offseason. I'm going to play forever. The Vikings, I don't know. I'm just, not sold on their quarterback, unless you have the Denver Broncos defense, you're not winning the Super Bowl without a high-end quarterback. Big year for Teddy Bridgewater. Obviously, Adrian

Peterson thinks a lot of him to think that they have a chance to really surprise people and go deep in the playoffs and win at all. But he really needs to take that next step. Maybe what they did by going and getting Treadwell on offense, that will make a big difference adding Treadwell to Stefan Diggs and their wide-out court. I think they'd be on the list of 10 teams that could win a Super Bowl this year at the back end of that list, but I'd put them on it. I mean, there's been much more surprising Super Bowl champions than them, I think, going into a season. Okay.

I don't disagree. I like their coach a lot. They would be at the very back end of that list for me. And when it comes to Peterson, I believe that of all the running backs we've seen, he's the chance to play deeper in his career and still be productive. But the history is not on your side. The list of 30-plus age running backs that have even had 1,000 yards is very slim. I think the odds are he's going to end up being the greatest old running back in NFL history.

Sure. The title, which now is held by John Riggins. Larry Zonk, I'm trying to think of guys that had big mid-30s. Didn't they use it? It's like Emmett Smith had some 1,000-yard season. John Henry Johnson, old Steelers running back? I believe. John Riggins.

I believe my boy Curtis Martin is the oldest player to win a rushing title at age 32. So these guys fall off very – this is a big year for Adrian Peterson because you don't know how much longer. He'll be AP, even if he thinks, he'll be AP. forever speaking of a player that fell off Peyton Manning tough a year final year in the league but you know feel better with that Lombardi trophy in the Super Bowl ring now he's out of the league retired of course uh shek owes the sandwiches has anybody heard a peep from check about because he said that uh manning would have a front office job by the draft cost himself three sandwiches have not heard anything from might be the biggest sandwich connoisseur that we know

yeah so i would hope we got to track his are going to be high level sandwich Track that close. I haven't even gotten my two that I won from him last year. All right. Oh, a little deadbeat. That might be grounds to take away the shows. That's deadbeat damage. Yeah, we might have to get Shaq in here to talk about this situation that's brewing.

But anyway, so Peyton Manning has time on his hands, is what I'm trying to say. And Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports that Peyton visited Dolphins headquarters earlier this spring to meet with his former offensive coordinator, Adam Gase, who now, of course, is the coach of the Dolphins. to help instruct quarterback Ryan Tannahill. Here's a quote from Tannahill, Mark Sessler. It was really cool, a guy that had his career, the living legend that he is, coming off a Super Bowl winning season. It was really cool just to be able to sit back

and pick his brain about things he's done in this offense and football in general. Do you think this could make a difference? Do you think Ryan Tannhill, a guy who's entering a... Listen, Teddy Bridgewater is entering a huge year. What does that mean for Ryan Tannel is even bigger? Would this help him? think if it blooms into the situation where Tannahill and Manning could text back and forth during

the year and he can bounce stuff off him, it is a great situation. It also tells me that anyone that thinks we're not going to see Manning for the next five, ten years, involved in some sort of football scenario. Nonsense. He can't stay away from the game. But I think it's a great start because under the current CBA, these guys can't meet with their coaches. And you can't, you can't, Taniel's just sitting there waiting to get knowledge and to learn about the new scheme. This was a fill in the quiet time of the year situation. Are you suggesting Adam Gace surreptitiously used Peyton Manning as a sort of coaching Trojan horse and cheated?

Look at you, Greg. I think you're suggesting that. Good use of Trojan horse, though. Thank you. If I'm a Dolphins fan, my favorite part of this story is that Adam Gase carries that much respect with Peyton Manning that he can just put him in. Those two were so tight, though.

I mean, we... How about reading between the lines as well? Kevin Patra pointed out in his write-up on this. You know, if we don't see Peyton Manning working with Paxton Lynch and the Broncos, but he's down in Miami with his old boy, Adam Gase, a little bad blood with the Denver side of things. I don't think it's bad blood. It's awkward blood.

We should be playing. Awkward blood. I don't know what the word is. But I would agree. I think Patrick hit the nail on the head there. He's not helping out, he's not helping out Kubiak and the Broncos. But remember those stories of Manning and Gase, like, texting until two in the morning about just random.

It was almost inappropriate. Do their wives know about this? It is a good. I don't know the answer to that. It's a good sign. It supports something. I led, we did a, I did a post collateral benefits. Who had a good draft for veterans?

I mean, Ryan Tannahill, for a guy who struggled last year and is kind of in a key year of his career, they are doing everything possible to support him, whether it's draft picks, whether it's, you know, just saying he's our guy. There's no question, not signing any backups. getting a good coach that is a quarterback tutor. Now you get Peyton Manning in the mix. They are doing everything humanly possible for Ryan Tannahill to work. So maybe I shouldn't give up on him yet. All right.

Ooh, you're back on. I don't know. I did drop him. At a hill bandwagon. Number one in our making a leap. I'm not back on. Which one occupies the penthouse in your stable of boys? Gino Smith or Ryan Tannan.

Neither one is there. Neither one is there. Speaking of the dolphins, Cameron Wake is agreed to a contract extension with the team the deal is extends him through the 2017 season so that's two years the deal includes 10 million guaranteed can make almost 18 million over the next two years rap sheet reported uh same cameron wake sneaky old by the way yes he is sneaky old hall of fame uh 34 years old coming off at torn Achilles that ended a season midway through uh last year but has been one of the best pass rushers in the league when healthy uh since about 2010 or so i

say. And now he sticks around with a Miami team that also, of course, brought in Mario Williams. What do you guys think about this move? I think it's an example of a team that hasn't managed its cap well, having to hold its nose and do something that they don't want to do. I've talked about how cap problems are overrated. You can always figure ways around them. Well, how you figure ways around them is giving $10 million guaranteed to a guy that's coming off a torn Achilles and is 34 years old, and you have to put him on the team the next two years when you have no idea if he's going to be healthy or not, but it

lowers his cap number for this year, and that was what they were trying to do. Pretty damning review, hard to say. I'm just saying these are the types of things you have to do. Because otherwise he seemed like a guy that might get cut. They're saying he won't even start, and he was going to get paid $8 million this year.

So that's a weird, it's a weird combination. We have a model for this, Robert Mathis. Around the same age, ruptured his Achilles tendon, came back at about seven sacks, but almost a non. factor uh other pay cut news danny amandola uh is staying with the patriots but it cost them rap sheet reports that the wide out has agreed to a restructured two-year deal that will pay him seven point three five million with another 750k available in bonuses and incentives uh he was

initially slated to make 12 million over the next two years uh so it's a big haircut industry term uh for a guy that now is competing with uh 7-11 always over and Chris Hogan. Greg, your thoughts on this? Well, it's unheard. Well, I can't remember a guy taking a pick. Well, can I just say, where did this come from that we didn't want to hear Greg's opinion? I don't know.

What was that about? We love hearing your opinions. I didn't mean it on anything. It wasn't that anything you wanted to hear. I didn't want to be the turd in the punch bowl telling you guys this show that means so much to you. That's your favorite show of all time you've said early in the season. And then you don't want to be the guy who's like, yeah, that's not that. Well, it was minutes before the episode when I had suggested a book for people to read,

and Greg basically just said, nah, don't waste your time, dumb book. And like, it was like in real time, like five minutes later, he'd have to be tanning a show that you love and suddenly, you know, he's playing politics well. Now we have a little bit of context, well. I didn't know. That had nothing. Am I wrong? I, Grant, also, you said immediately after, oh, no, don't, don't worry.

Yeah, I was like, I feel, you know, I was. I could care less what you think about the book, but that, when you were. start to piece together in history, you're reigning on everyone's parade. You probably slowed your role a little bit. Part of the book problem, by the way, not to sidebar too far. Everyone gets all excited. Everyone gets on these group texts of, oh, we're starting a book club. Everyone read this book.

Like, we're reading it right now. I was like, all right, I'm not going to get left out of this book thing. I love books. So I drop a book I'm in love with to crank through Libra by Delillo, which was a slog, thinking I'm falling behind. And I'm like, you know, I see the text back. Oh, it's like six months later. No one's read the book, except for Gonzo, John Gonzalez.

For me, reality said, and I got the book, and then I realized that between work and trying to maintain a marriage and a young child, that Don DeLeo's book is not high up on the list. I had a bailout. All understandable. I'm powering through trying to get it done in like 10 days or so. Again, with the martyr scenario. Poor Greg has to read a book.

You and I have total opposing views on books. My philosophy is life's too short to stay with a bad book. You've got a hundred other books that could interest you. Eject-down. By the way, not a bad book. That is- No, no, it's not a bad book. There are part of seven-six. Rigorous intellectual discipline in staying with a book

and seeing it all the way through. Even if it doesn't move. He's trying to position himself as a team player. It was part of the book club. I didn't want to let the team down. Me, me, me, me. It's about me. Points to you for finishing it.

I didn't think it was that bad a book. It is widely regarded as a masterwork. I mean, if you don't like it, That's your opinion. Good for you. I have enough. All right. Amandola, go ahead.

Oh, Amindola. Who even cares about this guy? No, I'm just kidding. Amindalilu. It's a reminder of how bad the owners and teams have players over a barrel in contracts. The Amandola, who was a big part of them winning the Super Bowl two years ago, ended up taking pay cuts in back-to-back seasons, which is unheard of. And yet you never see them just offer Julian Edelman a nice big bump after they get him

signed to a wildly underperforming, contract. But if Amandola is 25% worse than you thought he was going to be, take a pay cut or you're taking a hike. Well, your point on Edelman is well said, but I think I look at this like Amandol and the Patriots use common sense. Amandula isn't good enough to make five or six million dollars. He's a very good second, third receiver, fourth fiddle in your offense. But he's a guy who should be making two and a half to three million. And they found common ground and everybody wins. And if he stages some sort of scenario where he doesn't want to stay and he ends up on the open market,

he's not going to make what he's making now with the Patriots. Two more quick notes before we end today's new segment. Congratulations to Antonio Cromarty and his wife, Tarika, or Terica. Probably not Terrica because that's too close to terrible. So Tarika have welcomed twins, the cornerbacks 11th and 12th children after, of course, Tarika got pregnant after Antonio's vasectomy. Have you heard about this, Mark?

Yes. Does it scare you at all, by the way? Why? That's, you know, two kids. You're done. I would think you're... I would never have that procedure done on my body to begin with. You wouldn't?

The name of the baby boy is a boy and a girl. The kid's name is jinx. I don't know if that's tied into the vasectomy thing. Oh, no, is it? I'm not even joking. I don't think so. It was kind of a jinks. You don't think he's clever enough?

Jay Y and X. I don't think so. And then that would be horrible. Little girl is Jay Adore. I'm struggling with his names. Jay Adore Navi Crimardi. So congratulations. That one rolls off the tongue.

I mean, to the Crommarties. He struggled to name all his children during that one infamous hard-knock segment. So maybe he's coming up with names that are in any state unforgettable. 12, 12 children. him by eight different women. He's prolific. Absolutely.

He's elite when it comes to procreation. Doesn't have a job either, by the way. I wonder if the other shoe will drop there, because he still can play a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets bring it back. They've showed some willingness to. Not completely. You know, there's some complaints circling around the office

that we had to handle one or two children during Mother's Day. Yeah. Well, if you're Antonio Cromarty, you're going to be tested. All your limits will be tested. Banged in a big spot. Mike Trico, it's official, leaving ESPN for NBC, one of the great play-by-playmen of his generation. Here's the quote from Sam Flood,

executive producer of NBC Sports, and I agree with every goddamn word. Mike is an elite talent who can contribute to all of our biggest events. There you have it. Drico, NBC, look out Al Michaels. Love you, Al. Love you, baby. Love your little, you know,

the subtle nods toward the gambling line at the end of each Sunday night game sometimes of the chemistry between you and Chris, but Mike Trico ain't signing that contract to sit as somebody's backup for too long. You're absolutely this is the Packers drafting Aaron Rogers.

Right. Well, hopefully it's a cleaner transition than that. Oh, I'm sure there'll be some bad blood. And your boy, a Boston product, Sean McDonough, will replace Toriko and call games with John Gruden. Good to see him back on the big stage. Sean McDonough is great.

I mean, he does college football. That's a big stage, I guess. He used to do the World Series. He's a great announcer. He's like the John Stockton of Play-by-Playment. Who? Torrico. Like, he's solid.

He's great. I'm not, he doesn't excite me. Wow. Like, he excited you. Wow. I think he's a unique talent. I agree with Dan. Even though he's not my absolute favorite.

You have like Greg's view of the office is how you view Mike Tariko. Yeah. Interesting. Hey, Dan, by the way. No, I think I'm more, I'm higher on Mike Tariko. No, I'm high on the office. Fine. If Greg was had a chance.

If Greg was sitting in a boardroom in 2005, and he was showing the pilot, he would have been like, nah, don't see the potential. Did you know? True fact, I worked at NBC Productions in their production office when the office was gestating and when they were making the pilot. So on a very indirect level, you could say I even, you know, sort of. And your bad blood towards how that opportunity ended led to how you felt about the office. That's not true at all. Just trying to connect the dots. We can agree on one thing, Greg.

Sean McDonough is a solid play-by-play. We'll see. We hear good buzz about him. Why, I think we've watched them. Have we not? I don't remember anything that he's ever done, really. Did the Joe Carter call when the-Garter won a long time then? Yeah, 1993. Yes, the Irishman.

And I'm just going to throw this out there. Season 5 of the office had 10 Emmy nominations. That means nothing. Take it up with the Academy. I will take a lot of things up with the Academy. Call them. Those awards are garbage. You could pick it up with the Academy.

and we'll have to put down the chisels. I'm sorry. And I'm going to pick up an Emmy for having their back. Yeah, the same group of people that believe modern family is 45 times better show than the wire. All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right, as promised. Oh, we love doing over-unders around here. Some more than others.

Greg loves doing over-unders. I think we have to come up with another name for it. It's kind of like, go get my sandwich. Why, it's offensive to women? No, well, it just, you know, gets to the, the nature of the NFL, I feel like. Okay. Like Al Michaels has clever ways to come up with things.

We might have to come up with them. How about high or lower? Higher, Bob. Lower Bob. Al Michaels might be available for the podcast. How about more, less, more, the same? About for now we stick with over-unders and then maybe we'll think tank this over some coffee in Danish

and get back to us. And anybody who's been asking, yes, spice racked the decision. No decision's been made. There's a tentative ban in place. Really? I got a 1,500 word email from the Spice Rack over the week. 1,500 words. Yeah.

We're going to read that on the separate Spice Rack email podcast. Oh, that's a good. Did he offer any sleeper rookie candidates in that email? We're still waiting. He did offer them, and he explained, or at least he tried to explain why he did not offer them on the podcast. Wow. Teasing the audience. He got inside his own head and started cooking dinner up there and couldn't finish.

Wow. Are you saying that maybe we should, you know, have a little leniency towards the appearance, give him another shot? Is that where you're coming down on now, West? I believe we should, but I wouldn't want to speak for the whole group on this issue. I believe in third and fourth chances, so I would say yes, bring him back. Can we post this email somewhere? We need off-season content.

I feel like there's part of it we can post and part of it I can't post. All right. How about this? If Spicerax is listening right now, and I think he might, you can come back on the show if you allow us to publish your email in full on NFL.com. Head to toe.

We really can't do that. Maybe on the Reddit page. Yeah, we can do it on the Reddit page. All right. So here's the game. Overunders on Rookies, ampersand, old faces, slash new places.

Workshop. You were reticent to use that second and between old faces, new places. A little bit. Don't want to do it. I don't think it looks as good. So I'll throw out a bunch. of, you know, really projections, if you really want to get down to it on the rookie class

and also any players, veteran players that have changed addresses in this offseason. If I could just find my paperwork on this, and I have, and we will start with one of the more sexy names out of the draft class, Cowboys running back, Ezekiel Elliott. Okay, guys? Yes, sir. We're kind of going to blow through these sometimes. Maybe we'll, if there's something we want to talk. about a player or team feel free to dig in a little bit but here we go ezekiel elliott

1400 all-purpose yards eight total touchdowns 330 touches i'll go over on the yards and touchdowns over so you think this is an immediate pro bowl type star well when rookie running backs don't play it's usually because they're lacking the fundamentals uh especially pass blocking, and from all it counts, that's his specialty. Yeah, everything we keep hearing is that he's almost the ultimate plug-in-play offensive player. It's easier to transition at running back than it is in other positions, and even beyond that, he is such a well-polished player.

Yeah, I think that's conservative. Touches is the only one that is close. I did a piece trying to project that. I said 350, something like 200 carries, 50 catches, something like that. I mean, Gio Bernard's gotten 1,200 yards. from scrimmage in two of his three years. So 1,400 yards from scrimmage is not a huge number if you're getting a lot of carries and you're active in the receiving game.

I'll throw it out there that they do have a guy. It was a weird year for running backs. I get it. But I think Darren McFadden was like third in the NFL in rushing last year, third or fourth. And they have Alfred Morris, who they didn't sign for no reason. So there's some cooks back there, and they might want to not burn out a rookie early in his career a guy they probably see as a 10-year talent potentially. I'm going to go under across the board.

just because, A, why not, and B, you know, weird things happen in the NFL. They're not all good things. All right. Thanks for raining on our parade. Sessler's stepping back from predicting injuries outright. Now he just. I didn't say injury.

I think it's, you know, who knows what could happen to the entire world. All right. Wait, the end of the, uh-oh. I didn't say, I don't know. I'm just saying I'm not, it's like, oh, new star, 1700. No, I'm not going to, I'm going to slow down on that. Let's see what happens. happens. I've been wrong 95% of the time, so this is good news for the three of you.

I didn't say anything. All right, here we go. In Denver, they have some interesting things going on at the quarterback position. Mark Sanchez and Paxton Lynch, both new to the Broncos. So they're both tied into this. And it's a simple one. Paxton Lynch, seven and a half starts over under. Seven and a half. I'd take the over because I think it's probably closer to 16. I'll take the over for two words, Mark Sanchez. Okay. I think you put the number right at the right spot there, Danny. Oh, thanks, great.

That means a lot coming from you, too. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because I like these numbers. We like your opinions. I would have said, I think he'll come in around week seven, week seven or eight, so I guess that would be eight or nine starts, assuming he stays healthy. I'll go slightly over.

I think they will give a chance to Sanchez. When I was looking for When Will Lynch start a game. They have a Thursday to Monday night transition with 10 days in between after six weeks. And that would set up old Paxton for his first start to be against the Houston Oilers and Brock Osweiler. Wouldn't that be something? The Oilers. Houston Texans. I'll use your own logic that you've thrown out, which I agree with from the past, which is week seven is a really, really long time if things are not going well in Denver.

And it could be by the end of week two that people have had enough of Mark Sanchez. And Elway has already talked about Lynch As someone that could start a lot earlier than people think I just think it's going to be way before week seven Well, your logic is sound on one level And unsound on another It's sound on multiple levels But I will hear what you have to say

I will hear the flannel felines to my left here Wes and Cess both This is linen baby Okay, that's a nice shirt, I like it Thank you You both believe Wes stepping up the clothes game in general This plays well on an audio podcast

Stepping up my game for everything All right, well, settle down. Paxton Lynch, you guys think he's going to be a starter out of the gate or close to it. I will say, Mark, to your point, Mark Sanchez could be a big problem after two or three weeks, but that to me was the whole problem with banking on Mark Sanchez in the first place. He might be forced to go to a guy that's not ready because the guy that he brought in, Mark Sanchez isn't good. It could be a messy situation.

Nobody's on. You're agreeing with me. I am, but I'm saying it's because John L. he's going to box himself in a little bit. as it's anti-Elway point in trying to make. Ride that, ride that one and see where that's in the case. And no way was John Elway ever banking on Mark Sanchez. Okay.

He was always starting quarterback. I have not ruled out a Case Keenum or someone like him, but especially Case Keenum introduction to the Broncos, whether it's in the next couple months or it's early in training camp. I could just, can't you see that happening? It doesn't mean he's going to be starting, but maybe it'll be an option to start in the middle of the year. I don't see it happening for the reason why they didn't sign Hoyer,

because they want to give all these reps to the two quarterbacks they have. All right, let's move down. We love talking about the AFC South now, West. What do you like to call it, that the area of the football world that doesn't get enough love? Oh, the Bermuda triangle of the NFL. And Nashville is in that triangle, but maybe not anymore, depending on how the season shapes up. But their new backfield nucleus of DeMarco Murray, ampersand, Derek Henry. Here we go.

Start with DeMarco, 4.0 yards per carry over under. I'm not saying anything about it. His workload. Combined? No, just his yards per carry this season, DeMarco Murray. Oh, okay, just Murray. Yep, 4.0. He can average four yards of carry in Tennessee.

It's a tough one. What was he last year? 3.6? Yeah, and I think he was around 5 the year before. That offense didn't really fit his skill set and his legs were tired from the year before. I mean, if you're buying the Titans at all, you've got to go over. I am buying the Titans.

You got to go over. I'm going over then. Woo! I'll go over too. I'm going to go under. I'm not really buying the Titans or Murray necessarily. The odds are guys like Murray don't really bounce back that hard. Maybe he bounces back to 404-1 and he's solid.

By season, since entering the league to Marco, 5.5, 4.1, 5.2, 4.7, and then led the league that year, and then a crash down to 3.6 last year. So he's over 5 for his career? His career is at 4.6. Last year, really dragged them down. I mean, can we view last year as in everything that could go wrong did situation? Could be.

Or you could look at it. It's like it's coming back off of a 500-touch season, and it'll never quite be the same again. All right. You can play two games and have four yards per carry. Often the guys with huge workloads have a horrible next season and bounce back a little bit. Yeah, that's true.

And now this will play into the usage, Derek Henry, over under 200 carry. as a rookie. Under. I go under, but if you said touches, I'd probably go. I'd still go under. He's not going to have a lot of catches. Is he in general, this guy? It depends who you listen to.

The book on him from a lot of people was he's not a great receiver, and then when teams worked him out, they thought he looked like a really natural pass catch. Right, he never had a chance in college. He has almost no production in the passing game. I had him around 150 touches. I think this is to Marco Murray's offense, and unless it goes horribly wrong, Henry's going to have good.

games where you get six carries or something like that. I mean, you said 200 rushes. Yep. I mean, there was only one, only Gurley had among rookie running backs had over 200 last year. That's the-safly going to be under. I mean, this is the scenario where DeMarco Murray is the same player as he was last season. He stinks, and then the rookie shows something and starts taking over the office. Fans will be screaming for.

Well, I think they'll be trying to make it work with DeMarco-Murray for a large enough part of the season where it would be late in the year that he gets close if you're Henry. I had a Henry one while we're here. Oh, yeah, let a rip. Might as well. Over under Derek Henry's carries, over under Devante Booker of the Broncos carries. Oh, you are in love with Devante Booker. It's a good situation.

I'll take Henry over Booker. Booker in Denver has a good chance to supplant C.J. Anderson, according to a lot of draft Nix. According to Daniel Jeremiah thinks he's the best running back on the tea. Bucky Brooks thinks he is too. but they're not running the Denver Broncos. They didn't just hand C.J. Anderson $20 million. He's making $5 million this year. I think he'd be a one-in-a-one B where he's playing the Ronnie Hillman

or he's playing what C.J. Anderson was last year. CJ Anderson's no sure bet to roll in in top shape either. We've seen this multiple times. He was also the AFC's best running back. Multiple teams, you know, we're trying to hire DJ. It's because he knows something. Multiple teams we're trying to hire C.J. Anderson, too. That's fair.

All right. I have a bit of this next one. I have a bit of a Cessler. I think Joey Bosa is going to be a star in this league, guys, and I think he's going to make an immediate impact in San Diego. So I'm going to put his over under and sacks as a rookie. Nine and a half. Who's coming with me?

We're going out above and beyond. Who? Joey Bosa. I'm going under on sacks. I don't know if that's the position he's going to. And I don't think that's going to roll he's going to play. You don't think he's going to be a guy. I don't think he's going to be like some terror off the edge rusher.

Well, I take him third. I think they're kind of hoping he is on some level. I'm going to go under because I think over time, if this actually was a thing that paid real money, you'd probably do well betting unders on rookies having lots of sacks. That's hard. I'll go with you. Not a lot of rookies have a lot of sacks.

That's all I'm saying. I'll go with you. I'm riding with the hands of stuff. Oh, I love it. And because I rode with you with P90X. I knew you could do it and you really are doing a great job with it. And now you're riding with me. I will not prove you wrong.

Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, the one and two pick, the number one and number two overall pick in this draft. Goff number one. They will combine for 16 and a half starts over under. 16 and a half starts. Goff and wins. This is the easiest one. Over.

Yeah, over. Way over. because Goff is, the over-under on golf might be 16. I know. Injury. I mean, yeah. Probably the over-unner would be about 13, you're right. Didn't you write, didn't you write, Greg, in a piece that I read and quite enjoyed

that there was a real path to Carson Wentz just staying on the bench all year because the amount of money the Eagles have invested in their quarterbacks this season. Yes, and now that Bradford is back in the mix, that seems even more possible. But that felt like a position of mine that was a little out on a limb. Probably not everyone's expecting him to sit all year. So that's why. I think it's an easy one. I think it's safe that it's over.

I mean, you don't take these players one and two if they're not going to play much sooner than anyone's saying, oh, they're going to sit for an entire year. My name's Carson Wentz, whatever. How about a tough week, though, for Chase Montana, with Sam showing back up. Whoa. What?

It continues to make millions of dollars without actually exerting any physical effort? Wait, weren't you on the chase? I like him a lot, but his career is beginning to look like one where he'll sit for nine and a half years. Well, you have to go out of cash. You have to go to training camp and practice and do all those sort of things. Well, you're right about that.

Wes, you got one? I have an over under. Okay. Over under three games before Devante Booker becomes the greatest fourth round pick in the history of football. Wow. You just hate the... Total shot it.

Wow. Greg. I don't have any great... If he's so great, why did he last to the fourth round? Everybody's convinced that this guy's an awesome running back, and he's a fourth round pick. That's fair. Sometimes fourth round picks are good. Can you guys at running back?

Hashes out in private? I don't, it's just, I don't know. That's one hype train. Wes is not, I got one for you. I'm open-minded to it, but I just don't think, all right, C.J. Anderson's the best running back into the AFC down the stretch and a Super Bowl. You're a big Anderson fan. That's fair.

He's a Super Bowl hero. You're just going to bench him for some rookie that got drafted in, like, like 130 picks in or whatever? I would think in a perfect world, if you are believing in Booker, then Anderson gets 250 touches, and Booker gets 200, and it's a nice little group.

That's all. It's nice to share the wealth. Or Booker is Ronnie Hillman. Yeah, who is not that great? Who really knows? It was drafted considerably higher and came with just as much pub and didn't do Jack.

One thing I found doing that running back piece, I mean, all of these fourth round, fifth round running backs were drafted into perfect. situations to get touches early. So if they're good, there'll be some fourth or third rounders playing, whether it's Seattle or Kenneth Dixon and Baltimore. You mentioned the Bears.

I mean, there's a lot of open spots. You had one, Mark? Sure. Let's try it out. How many times during the regular season will Chip Kelly sneer with comprehensive disdain at a reporter? Responding to a fair question with a mumbled non-answer that borders psychologically on antisocial paranoia mixed with a raging

sense of megalomania. I'm putting the over-under at 67 times during the regular season. The Chip Kelly refuses to treat journalists like living, breathing, human beings, 67 times. What say you? Well, I need a little history. What was it last year? Who is

keeping track of this? Like that, because that's important. Mark it. Who is a value? Well, now I will. I wasn't I don't have the official number on last year. But, I mean, we have a sense. So you're saying that the person... It's like every time he speaks. So you're saying that the person who sets up the rules of the game also gets to decide? Well, all right.

We'll put a third party who has no stakes at it. Put a third party at it. Are you talking about the Irishman? It sounds like it would take up a lot of time anyway, so I'm happy to have someone else to do the work. The Irishman's insolence earlier today, we shouldn't. I'm going over. I am going way over because he has to meet with the media four times a week at least during the season. Plus he got training camp.

Add that up, that's got to be 120, 150 times. You don't think he can resist taking shots at journalists? I think just being in the room, you probably can ring the bell. That's where I'm coming from. I need a little perspective. I need to know, like, what's the average amount of sneers for a coach, what's considered high, what's considered low. He's got to be at the high end of this question. Seems like the smart money's on the over, according to Greg's math.

I have to, I'm going to hold out on this one. This feels like a trap. He can't vanish like Howard Hughes. He's got to, he said he's got to be out there four or five times a week. It's probably on the higher end, whatever. Basically, you're saying, if you're. saying under you're saying i believe that he comes with a different attitude because i think his his historical stats would would have gone over six and seven last year and safely all right

a couple more for me here uh the top ten guys in the draft real quick goff wince bosa elli ramsie stanley jack conklin my favorite name in the draft de force buckner leonard florid and eli apple last year guys there were three top ten players that went to the pro bowl james Amari Cooper and Todd Gurley. Over under for Pro Bowl selections. Keep in mind sometimes this guy called in sick, this guy lost his homework, blah, blah, blah. That counts.

Go to the Pro Bowl, you go to the Pro Bowl. Two and a half Pro Bowl selection. Oh, wait, under. Two and a half. I would have gone on under at one. I have no idea. Push. I don't even know how you figure it out

when the guy like James Winston goes because 37 other people decided not. You got to figure Ezekiel Elliott has the best chance of the rest of the top 10. And then for everyone else, that is an uphill battle to try to make the Pro Bowl. I mean, it's an uphill battle for Elliot. Jalen Ramsey, I think he would be, to me, somebody who jumps out, I've already stated that Joey Bosa could have an early breakout season.

This is going to sound like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm a little surprised Brian Hoyer was not in the Pro Bowl last year. By the time everyone checked out? Yeah, by the time everyone takes vacations and says, no, I'm not going. I mean, they're down to like the 18th best quarterback. I'll go under. Good question, though, Dan. That's right.

And one more. Here we go. This one should inspire some opinions on both sides. Mark has another one, too. Well, it's the last one for me. Okay. Mario Williams and Jason Pierre Paul, two veteran pass rushers that inspire a lot of opinion in this room. Well, we have a sandwich prop.

I find phalanjies. Based on the first ever sandwich prop that included a named judge's panel. Do you remember this? Right. Someone has to decide who. who had a better season. Right. Between these two guys?

Oh, I didn't remember that. Yeah, I have JPP. Wes is Mario Williams and a three-man football panel will decide. The over-under is 13 and a half sacks combined. Vegas obviously does not see this. So Williams will have to get at least a dozen. A big fear for either player. JP, you know, the glove fits.

He's going to get some sack. He will equip himself well. Fast past the quarterback, according to pro football folks. The club is off. JPP is going to be great. Mario Williams even in a bad year can get seven, so I'm going to go over. I'll go over because Williams will get 12 and JPP will get his usual one. Stuff as usual.

I'll go under. I think Williams has the chance to be a total headache if things go south. Mario Williams is playing for the Miami Dolphins on his third contract. That's going to go great. Does anybody know the history of the sport? And then the guy with the finger problem, you know, got all the tools. Like I said, couldn't bring guys down. I got a feeling it's going to be way under.

Getting the club off is a huge thing, though. How do you know? By precedent? I don't know, because it seems impossible to tackle someone with the club. Seems impossible to tackle somebody without a thub. Well, I don't know. I've never tried. I can't wait.

I'm on this panel. Who else was on? It was a me mark and somebody else. Was that what it was? Yeah. I don't remember being named to a panel. Maybe you weren't here, but there was a panel. It's on Go Get My Lunch.org.

So I'll find it while we're talking. I'm looking forward to this panel. Can't just name someone to a panel when they're not here. Wait, you don't want to be on the panel or something? I just want to be asked. Mark, will you be on the panel? Please. Wow, this is.

Let's take a good look for anybody. It's a bad thing when Mario Williams has already been quoted saying he's much more focused this year and he's trying. Like, those quotes always bother you because you're just calling yourself out for not being focused at all. Enough of this guy. Come back to us, Mario. All right, one more from the sizzler. All right, I had two, but I will just use one. Here we go.

How many posts? Do both. You can do both. All right. The first one is quick. Game losing flubbed field goals by hyper-controversial rookie bucks kicker Robert Gai-Gai-Gai-o. I put the number at two. Guaya.

Game losing flubbed field goals. I'm giving him two. He's going to be under the microscope. So they're going to be two kicks that either they have a chance to tie or win the game and he'll miss them? Bingo. I'll go under. You know what? I'm going to say.

the Bucks brain trust nailed this, and he's going to be a sensation. So I'll say under. I don't think he's going to be a sensation, but I also don't think he's going to be flubbing all these games, so I'll still go under. He'll be the most entertaining Bucks kicker since Martin Gramatica injured himself.

Dono Ibuquer. Low light. I'm hoping you're right. I'm hoping it's under. But you have a feeling it's going to be over. No, I just think he's going to be on the radar. A lot of pressure on the young kid. Exactly.

All right, here we go. How many posts will the... the combined six ATN writers ultimately pen on Annie Apple between today and the end of Super Bowl 51. I'm putting the number at five. Super Bowl 51. I'll take the under. I think this is like her 15 minutes of fame.

And I don't think she's going to, she's not going to have the state. Wait, who is writing them? Well, all six combined, all of four of us in Connor and Kevin Patra. I'll go under. I'll break this down a little bit too beyond that type of post would usually fall under the old Zeusers domain, but I have not been gripped by Annie Apple Fever. I think it's a nice little story.

She's outspoken. We've done a few posts. And she's funny on Twitter and she's had some positive network television appearances. But I have not written about her yet for a reason. I'm just not as like an armored by her. So then somebody else has to step up to do like kind of the pop culture NFL beat on this. Maybe Connor or. I don't think Wes is writing an Apple piece.

I know Mark is. I kind of like her. I would have written one last week. Interesting. We know Mark won't say it on the pod, but there's been a lot of anti-any sentiment. I don't know. Help me out West.

I'll stick up for Mark. It has nothing to do with Annie Apple herself. It's the reaction. It's the, I would say, going overboard reaction. Well, to my point, you're not going to feed into it with more media. You know, you're probably not going to be involved. I would be hypocritical if I'm, you know, antagonizing the media for too much attention, then adding to it.

And then it's the boss. I've done right now. Patcher's not doing anything like that. Patcher's a wild card. He's not a bit of a wild card. But I could also see him, you know, doing the patch. Oh, this is bullsh, I'm not doing this. Bulls.

And then there's Greg. Patra also just cranks out stories. You never know. He's a cranker. Mark, just to update you, you are on a five-person panel. You were not asked. You were assigned to the panel. I'd officially like to ask you.

Can you evaluate whether JPP will have a better season or had a better season than Mario Williams at the end of the year. It's you, Dan, Connor, or Kevin Patra, and David Ely somehow. Yeah, five-person panel, a lot less work attached to that. That was my main concern. I'll join. How did Ely get on that panel? I think we needed an odd number.

Yes, that's exactly what it was. I remember that now. Welcome aboard, Ely. All right. So, the Annie Apple one, I'm going with Under. Good for you. Oh, yeah, Under. Good one, Mark.

I can control that. All right, that's it. making the desk write it good pod guys solid a minus um we will be back on wednesday uh with another show three shows this week everybody um so make sure you check it out wednesday we'll have more uh great football talk uh which is what we do on the show uh keep on leaving comments over on iTunes so make sure check us out on Wednesday this is dan hans of signing off for your quiet storm they're busy on the research project mark the mailman the boss and the irishman behind the glass till wednesday

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