NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Saints-Chiefs MNF Recap and A Drake Maye Debate with Bridget Condon

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Bridget Condon to recap the Saints and Chiefs facing off on Monday Night Football. The show starts with a discussion about the Chiefs finding their form against the Saints (03:08), followed by talk about Derek Carr and the state of the Saints (17:15), and highlights of Patrick Mahomes' stellar night (24:47). After the break, you get caught up on news from around the NFL including injury updates for Rashee Rice and Nico Collins (32:48), a debate on whether or not Drake Maye should start for the Patriots (34:50), and the players of the week (44:21).  Note: time codes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Touchdown! Kansas City on an RPO handoff from Travis Kelsey and lowering that shoulder and ducking under the defender and the Chiefs go up 22 to 13. That was Mitch Holtis on WDAF. The Saints thought they were in the game for just a second and the Chief said, no thank you. This is a one-sided affair.

Xavier Worthy rushes it in from just a few yards out on the way to a 26 to 13 victory. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we wouldn't do anything stupid like picking the New Orleans Saints in Arrowhead. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio and so excited to be joined by Bridget Condon

for the first time, at least in person. You did a summer episode with us from Cincinnati, But here you are in the studio, ready to talk some chiefs and some saints. Welcome, Bridget. I know that you guys are probably wondering, like, how do they pick which reporters get to be in the studio with the one and only Greg Rosenthal? Let me tell you, I have been begging this man next to me, day in and day out. It's like a full-time job.

Probably I spend more time doing that job than my actual job, begging on my hands and knees to just allow me one minute of his time for his beautiful NFL Daily podcast that has been incredible since its inception. And now finally, I get the chance to sit beside because I think nobody else could make it tonight. No, that is not it. We were downstairs doing the coverage on Channel 5. So if you're in the UK, maybe you watch this. Bridget does that every week. I'm popping in here and there. And yeah, we got to walk right upstairs. But I'm glad you brought up the elephant in the room right off the bat, which is, yes, you have been, you're very persistent. And you're hilarious and um you're you're a mass like me and look we got like our sets i'm not going to

defend myself we can get into that during the show uh but i'm just glad that you're here all i'm saying is can you guys please give rave reviews so that i can come back um it's i'm averaging like one episode in this podcast studio a year um but honestly i've got a lot to say tonight so i think this is the beginning of the start of something beautiful i i agree i think it's it's it's the beginning of big time Bridget Condon era on the NFL Daily. You don't want to just use all your stars right off the bat. I'm like Xavier Worthy, baby. So and steady.

Where I was going with that. You want to like sprinkle it in. Thank you. Eric, our producer, uh, coming in on a Monday night. It does feel good to be in the studio on a Monday night. It's what the chiefs and the saints deserve. And I'm glad we started with that highlight because that drive, that possession, to me was kind of this game in a nutshell.

For a second, Bridget, we're doing this game. We stupidly picked the Saints, which is really ridiculous. Talk for yourself. I mean, you picked the Saints as well. I feel ridiculous. We keep track of the records and just what a dumb pick. Even for them to cover was dumb. But they got it to within 1614 after...

1613, they missed the extra point. Good point. That's why you're going to be in this studio a lot. Go, baby. Colin Saunders had that. that insane interception that we will talk about a bit. And for a second, you're like, wow, this game that the Saints

really have been outplayed throughout, they're in the game. And I'm going to just go through like what happened immediately after that. They give the ball the Kareem Hunt for four yards. Like every Kareem Hunt run felt like it was successful. Then they give it, then they throw it to Juju Smith-Juster.

50 yards wide open. He almost looked like he was going into the end zone. That one Saints defender, like came out of the screen, but for a second, he wasn't on the camera shot. I thought he was going straight to the end. Never a burner, but, you know, probably not as fast as he used to be. Juju Smith-Suster, you're right, but it was just miles of green grass in front of him. And Juju's like just running open 50 yards.

Like he has-Rod Mayo's turning off the TV. Oh my God. Like Juju hasn't been this happy since he was like doing his TikToks when he was on the Steelers. And it was like the number one star in the league, or maybe when he was. was winning the Super Bowl as a really important role player for the Chiefs. And who knows, maybe he will be again. And so he ends up with seven catches for 130 yards. Like, what? Okay. That was his first game of more than 100 yards since week seven of 2022. And that was when he was with Kansas City. So he goes to New England, doesn't have a single game of 100 yards.

They're like, we're going to cut you. You're not good enough for our team. Heads back to Kansas City and now has a dominant game. The Patriots are paying him a lot of money this year to not. beyond the Patriots because they have offsets in the contract where the Chiefs pay them whatever they're paying them. But all the remaining money that the guarantees that the Patriots had, which was like $7 or $8 million, they were like, you're so bad, we don't want you on our team. Tonight, and this is a shout out to Ben Solac of the ESPN, had the stat where, yeah, Chuster's 130 yards tonight is actually more than any Patriots receiver has on the season combined. That just feels like the Patriots. I don't know what else to say. I'm sorry if you're a Patriots fan.

Also, an interesting stat I just saw from our research team, that 130 receiving yards, the most by a chief's receiver, since Tyree Kill was traded. Wow. Kind of crazy, right? I don't think that coming into this season, we would be thinking, Juju Smith-Schuster, the number one wide receiver for the chiefs. Of course, they've dealt with multiple, right, multiple injuries. He had two catches on the season before tonight.

I don't think he's going to suddenly find the fountain of youth. But he could be a role player for them. He can help. And they are so good at scheming guys open. That was sort of my takeaway from these sequences. It's just things were easy, except in the red zone for the chiefs. So after that Juju Smith-Soucester play, hunt for another five yards. Like, like I said, every run is successful.

He looks like he has a lot of juice. There's a penalty on the play that gets them even closer. Penalties were a big problem for the Saints tonight, setting the chiefs up in advantageous situations. And then finally, the last play of the drive, and it took just, you know, a couple minutes, is that direct snap to Kelsey, where he hands it off to Worthy. And we're watching the game, and we're just so used to this stuff with the Chiefs that it's like, oh, yeah, they snap it to Travis Kelsey, the 35-year-old tight end who's that quarterback, and he hands it off to the 21-year-old guy who set the record at the

Combine for the fastest 40, and he runs in for the touchdown. It's just like, oh, yeah, that's what Andy Reid does. But it's just, that's the Chiefs in a nutshell. And I thought it was fitting and great for the Chiefs that on their best night of the season, which I think this was by a good margin, they immediately responded to what the Saints were doing. And we're like, no, you're not going to win this game. You're not really that competitive. You're not in our league. A good friend of mine calls it the fake good Saints. I won't say that. But it did look like a different, these last three games have looked

like a different Saints team than the first two games. Of course, they are dealing with so many injuries themselves. But you talk about this offense, right? Coming into this game, it wasn't the chiefs are four and O. The Chiefs are going to three p no it was the chiefs are four and oh but they don't look good the chiefs are four and oh but their offense hasn't clicked. Patrick Mahomes I think they were 45% in the red zone again tonight two for five two for six in the red zone or coming into this game 45% on the season and then tonight two for six Patrick Mahomes and the offense have you know in the main key offensive metrics some of the worst of the Patrick Mahomes era era but tonight he breaks that six game drought without

300 or more passing yards. So it feels like this was maybe the game. You put all the pieces together. You made a good point on Channel 5 show about how it kind of felt like the old school Patriots where Bill Belichick gets his, you know, sees what weapons he has and then figures it out and is like, okay, this is what's going to work this season, this isn't. And it felt like tonight Andy Reid and this Patrick Mahomes offense finally found a way to use all of the pieces that they do have. Keep in mind, so many are hurt.

Right. We got the news just before the game. Ian Rappaport first reported that Rashi Rice is not going to return this season. A huge blow. Yeah, that is a big disappointment because there just was uncertainty. They were waiting for the swelling to go down. They had to see more. They had to do the surgery until they knew. And it's framed as good news that it's not going to be a torn ACL. It appears that, but either way, he's still expected to miss six months. So he's not coming back. So you're going to have to rely on. Ms. Schuster and Travis Kelsey, you look at the guys who are getting all the yards, Mikael Hardman and Kareem Hunt and spin the dial, but you can certainly dial it back to like the

2020 season. I know Kareem Hunt was in Cleveland at that point, so we're mixing different Chiefs era, eras Travis Kelsey with his 9 for 70 and his girl in the crowd with her era. You're talking about eras? You're talking about Taylor? I love the way that you

put that in for the gals. It's, it's, in my mind today because... Bill Belichick? Yes. Did you talk about that yet? No. That was Monday. I don't know exactly what we can talk about

about the Bill Belichick Instagram picture wearing... Twitter. Was it Instagram? I saw it on her. It was on his girlfriend's Instagram account. They're public. No, but someone, you know, copied it and put it out on Twitter.

Well, don't you think she deserves a follow now? No, even that feels creepy. I mean, like forget dating her. but I'm glad they're happy and I'm mostly glad that his Taylor Swift sweatshirt was ripped was like chewed on

or had the little ripped thing not chewed but you didn't the way you just said chewed on the image in my mind okay it looks like it's chewed by like I have a young son they chew all their sweatshirts

and the way Bill Belichick sweatshirts look that's what his sweatshirts always look like but no it's because he cuts him and I wanted to see the sleeves on it but I'm very happy and you know he's out there, he's out there getting work. Just today I saw, to get off the game for like one second, I saw that he's on the Jim Gray podcast with a bunch of other coaching legends. He was on the

Pat McAfee show earlier today, giving like kind of vanilla analysis. Sometimes I want a little more. When he's on the Manning cast, at least he dives into like what the plays are. And then he was on the Manning cast tonight. And I got a text from my wife Emeka who said, for the first time ever, Walker turned off the Manning cast and because it's so boring with Belichick that he ruins it. I think he ruins all the fun was the quote. He ruins all the fun was the quote, which is like probably how a lot of his players felt during his career. I think that if he would just pull back the sweatshirt, for lack of a better word, he could be

really funny. And I think that he's still reserved a bit because who knows if he'll get back into coaching next year. And I don't think he wants to completely give in if he then has to go back and try to control the locker room and they're like poking fun at him for, I don't know, doing a TikTok dance or something. I think you've nailed it. And to build on that point, I don't think he wants to say anything that can be used against him when he's a coach next year. Like he said something negative about a certain player and then he goes

against that player. Or he's coaching that player, but more likely he's going against it. I think you're absolutely right. Because I think he didn't, does a great job when he's in storytelling Bill Belichick mode and he gives old stories and behind the scenes stuff. And sometimes when he's a little caustic about, you know, the league or, you know, the teams that didn't hire him. You could tell he had a little something about the Falcons. Okay, let's get back to this game because you mentioned it. Mahomes throws for over 300 yards. Does not need to throw the ball deep in this game. And I just think it was kind of a master class and a dominant coaching performance. This is a Saints defense.

that, yeah, has a couple injuries, but not nearly the amount of injuries that they do on the offensive side of the ball. They've been building this defense for Dennis Allen forever. I picked the Saints in part because I thought their secondary would be able to cover this Chief's team. And what do you see? Like, it was just easy. It was just a lot of like five-yard throws with 10 yards of yak afterwards. And Andy Reid had it all over Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen doesn't want to give up big plays. Well, he gave up 50 to Smith-Suster. He gave up a really long pass interference to Xavier Worthy that was on Paulson-Adebo. There could have been another one of those called earlier in the game.

And so this is a defense that needs to carry this team and they're good, but they're not good enough. Like, they're not, they need to be great. But the offense wasn't helping at all. You throw the first drive of the game, you throw an interception. That just, to me, totally offset the entire game because their defense then very next drive to the chiefs gives up a touchdown. was the first time all season they've given up a touchdown in the opening drive. And it felt like they were playing catch up the entire time. And then we didn't even talk about, you talk about the injuries to the offense.

Derek Carr goes down at the end of the game. And, you know, who knows? I think that Dennis Allen just said in the press conference that it's a right side injury and he doesn't have updates. I mean, that's just, it feels like bad news, 15 guys on the injury report coming into this game turning into even worse news. We hope that he's okay. but I don't know what's going on.

Again, like totally different team. First two weeks of the season to the last three weeks. Yeah, I look back at the show that I did with my friends from the Saints Block Party podcast who are going to be back on the show. I guess they're going to get back on before you get you get back on. But they're not in the studio. Well, I've already scheduled them. I've literally told you for weeks that I'm wide open.

My schedule? Open. Greg, you call me. I respond. Call me. Beat me, baby. I, you know, we have, you know, we have like, okay, Tuesdays this day, Wednesdays this day. But we're getting Bridget more in the mix. But I just was saying this as a way to mention. Is it because I'm the host on Channel 5 and you feel threatened? No, I love not hosting. I'm happy to. Like, no, but I mean, you feel threatened that I might become the host of NFL daily. I mean, now you're, now you're going too far. I'm just kidding. Everybody, I'm joking. We know, we know you're joking. it's the thing I love about you is you're a mass like me. When I moved out here, I just kept

acting like I acted in college. People out here don't like it. And then in New York, certainly. And I just kept getting this vibe that's like, hey, he's an asshole. Or just like, he's not very nice. And then you start to realize like, okay, I got you got to tone it back. You got to pull it back. All right. I'll try. Not everyone like shows love by just brutally picking at like other. people's weaknesses. But that's how I think, that's how I do it. And I think it is fun. I'll try to be better. I think you do a great job, Greg. Thank you. I've now been here for, what, 11, 11, 12 years. I'm softer. I have kids. I'm softer. I'm like, look, I was mean enough for some reason that Derek Carr at one point blocked you. Block me on Twitter. And then, yes,

on the, on the, on the NFL podcast, we got together with David Carr and they unblock me. So I hope he doesn't block me for anything we're about to say. I, I just think it was a typical Derek Carr game. We'll get into the injury side of it in a second. I'm glad you brought that up. They said oblique officially. Like the, the, the broadcast said that. So that was what the team said. And that make the team said left side injury. Well, that, yeah, left oblique in my yeah. So that must be, it happened on his last throw of the night, which was probably his best throw the night. Maybe the best throw. The receiver should either quarterbook. Yeah, that was Mason Tipton, which kind of points out an issue from the, the Saints team. Mason Tipton is an undrafted

player and they're forcing him. They don't really have a third receiver. Taysom Hills not in this lineup. And so they're trying to play a little more three receiver. And he had a couple third down plays where he came up short. That was a play where Spagnolo gets early pressure. The Saints offensive line was really banged up, did not play overall very well tonight. And so that was a problem for Derek Carr.

He contributed to it somewhat too. And he throws a dime down the field and he gets hurt really bad. that was a really typical car sequence because the very play before that he backs away as if there's a ton of pressure in his face there's a blitz coming you remember this play there's a blitz coming bridget and most of the night that blitz was getting through and car was just having to throw the ball against the pressure but that time actually didn't they picked up the blitz it held up really well he had a nice clean pocket but he just started backpedaling and throwing it as if someone was right in his face And that throw was there.

I think that throw was down to a lave and it was just a bad throw. And that was kind of the experience of Derek Carr tonight and Derrick Carr throughout his career. Like you see enough in each game that is really high level quarterbacking and then you see enough that makes you think I can't trust this guy on a week to week basis. I think that I don't want to like talk bad about Derek Carr because I think that he's a better quarterback than a lot of people think he is. I think the issue is his offensive line is so beat up right now. And especially the center position, right? Like the cadence you get from working with your center and to have two or three different centers

since the beginning of the season, I think that adds to it. And that throw, like you said, he thought the pressure was coming on him and he wasn't. But that to me says that he's just not comfortable with that offensive line right now. Yeah, the pressure rate was extremely high in this game. I'm looking for a tweet.

I shared earlier from Catherine Terrell from ESPN just to summarize. The left tackle, the rookie Fugga, is playing through an injury. There is a backup at left guard. One left card, the other left

guard shifted to center to start this game, Lucas Patrick. He got hurt at one point actually after she even tweeted this and was in and out of the game. A backup right guard who is replacing Caesar Ruiz, who is getting paid a lot. And then on at right tackle is everyone's favorite punching bag

over the last couple of years, Trevor Penning. And so, like, that's your offensive line. But also, okay, let's talk about Chris Olavé for a second. He had, and did you see, was it his brother, the tweet? Did you see the tweet that it was his brother put out? I'll find it in a second. He had two receptions for 10 yards.

He was only targeted four times. That, to me, is a question mark. And for a while, he had only been targeted once. I think those next three could have been, came, yeah, could have came right at the end. Jay Caner came in and threw at least one to him. He came into the game. I think banged up. There was a reporter that saw him working on something.

I don't think he's 100% healthy. So I think he's out there gutting through it and isn't really Chris Olavi. But that, again, points out how thin they are, that wide receiver. And then without Tassam Hill, too, right? Like, he's been missing since week three, I believe. He came back in briefly. a lot. Yeah, the on-off splits for Taysam Hill are crazy. When he's

been on the field, I think for 18 drives, they scored 11 touchdowns and when they've been Taysam Hill's not off the field. It's really the running game that he impacts the most. He runs the ball great, but if you looked at what Camara did tonight, you saw that first run that Camara had. Like, Camara's running well. Yeah. But he ended up 11 for 26.

Yeah. How many yards did he get on that run? Because he only finished with 26. And I feel like that first run was the majority of those yards. Right. He, he, he, could have gone for like a negative four on that and he ends up getting positive yards he had a nine yard run but they they just couldn't run the ball and this saints team isn't going to make sense if they can't run the ball so all the clint kubiak love uh that we were giving and yeah i didn't finish my thought earlier but thinking back to when we had the saints twitter uh the block party

podcast on it almost seems like it was like this moment in time it like if you were a saints fan listening to that would be like a horror movie everyone was so happy we're talking super bowl best offensive line in the league. And yes, they will be back with me. You're going to be back on this show, too. It's not a competition. Bridget is very competitive. She's like, when someone else is on, she's like, why is he? Why is he on? Why is she on? My boss is going to listen to this and be like, hey, we need to talk. No one. I'm kidding. Um, I have enough confidence that it's okay. You can bring other. She's like, wife. Uh, have you seen, have you seen his gray hair? Like, let's, let's, let's put him out to pasture. I'm like, whoa, that's weird. You're getting ages about Steve

wife, Bridget, that, that's too far. Steve, I love you. I would never, ever, ever dare say anything like that. Before we take a quick break, let's just hit just a couple of items. I do want to get,

can I hit one thing that we haven't? Please, please. Kareem Hunt, like, we talk about Andy Reid and what he does for this offense. We talk about Juju Schuster. We talk about Kreme Hunt. Kareem Hunt had just one game with 100 or more rushing yards

in his five seasons with the Browns. He had 102 tonight. That is... Kind of ridiculous. Isn't that? Like, when I saw that stat, I was like, that is massive what Andy Reid is doing with these players who were backups, were cut from their teams,

like didn't have a place in the NFL. I mean, Browns fans have to be watching this and wondering, like, where was this guy? Because towards the end of his Brown's career, he just looked like a guy who had run really hard for a really long time and was banged up. And again, it's just one game. But I mean, to be able to get that much out of these players,

that says a lot about a Patrick Mahomes. that says a lot about Andy Reid. And Travis Kelsey, we haven't really talked about him. He had a career high, nine reception. Still hasn't even found the end zone. Season high, yeah. Sorry, he still hasn't even found the end zone this season. No, but 70 yards.

They did show him leaving the field. I don't know if anyone else saw that. Maybe he just thought that was strange. Yeah. His girlfriend's there. His girlfriend's there. Maybe just wanted to get off the field quickly. But while everyone is like hugging and everything,

he's already in the walk to the locker room and looking every bit, like a guy who, you know, just participated in 40 different car crashes, which is what playing football is. Let's actually listen to the Travis Kelsey moment of the night. It was a reception, but he didn't end the play with the ball in his hands. He's now had third and 22 at the 44-yard line of the Saints hitting 10 to 7. Again, a four-man rush. Quick pass. Kelsey at the 40.

Coming all the way across the field, flips it off. It goes to P-Rine. He's at the 25. He is close to a first down. Kelsey. came right to left all the way across the field and almost was tackled and then he shovels it underneath

to Samadjah P-run on an old hook and ladder. I mean, it's not a hook and ladder in a way because I don't think it could have possibly been planned by the time you listen to this. The news will be out of date whether they say it or not.

Andy Reid was asked about this post-game and he said that they practiced Travis Kelsey's pitches in practice, but I don't think it was drawn up in the huddle. I think it's something they had just practiced, so he looked at Samaji and is like, you know what's coming on right now. And as you mentioned, again, on the show earlier,

like, if you're a player on this team, you've got to be ready. Even if you're thinking you're running down the field, you got to be ready to catch that ball if he's looking at you. That was awesome. And yes, so I guess I think they've practiced that almost as part of the offense. This is something that could happen when Kelsey gets the ball, but it's not part of that specific play.

And I know that because Pyrine for a second gets in the motion, like he is going to run. to block for Kelsey and then he kind of looks up, he sees Kelsey and he realizes that's not the move there. Yeah, they had another trick play that did not work out earlier. Alante Taylor was all over. I love Alante Taylor. There are some positives here for the Saints like Marshall and Latimore and Alante Taylor are playing really well. And he got Carson Steele to fumble on another play. They are not going to give Carson Steele the ball much more because he has been a part of a lot of negative plays.

I do want to say, before we move on from the recap, that Mahomes' ability to scramble is somehow getting better as he gets older. It's like he's working on his footwork. Maybe he's going to some of the practices for Taylor Swift's dance team, because

the way that he is stepping, I don't know what, he's just trying to get his 10,000 steps on his Apple Watch, or what? Because some of that footwork was impressive. Okay, so there was the play in the inside the 10-yard line where he just spun around where he pivoted off his left foot

because he saw a defender there and just completely spun and then threw to a pretty open receiver in the end zone at this point I was just thinking like is he just doing this stuff because he wants to feel a little alive you know like it's just like a little bored like I'm here week five like I've done this all before

I got to do more stuff that's what I felt like to me then there's another play where the Saints have an absolutely crazy defensive formation where they have nine or eight guys lined up on the line of scrimmage all standing up and a bunch of them drop out like just total Dennis Allen's in the lab like cooking up this great stuff and it works. They confuse Mahomes. He's like, what's going on here? He freezes and then he's like, oh, I guess I'll just outrun everyone to the corner for seven yards, get the first down and completely ruin your play. And then that sets up what was one of the better scrambles of Mahomes' career.

Let's listen to that. Piron is in it running back. Nelson's had a very productive night. He comes in tip-tap motion. Now Mahomes, he's got time, moving around, shifting the feet. And now he's in trouble. He's going to have to run it,

but he darts by a defender. He's stretching out the football on the near side. Shades of the Houston game in the AFC championship of 2019. I mean, that is insane. What can he do? People are getting annoyed,

I think, of just like, Mahomes and Chiefs. People are getting tired of it. It's like how they were with the Patriots, right? Yes. To Mahomes, as long as he's doing that and giving us these fun plays, I'm with it. What I don't like is the boring Chiefs, which is what they were for good chunks of last year. And for much of the first month offensively, this was a much better performance. They finished with 28 first downs, 460 yards.

That is an old Chief's score line, 5-0. And they head into their buy, just feeling great about life. They have the 49ers after the buy. And they bullied the Saints. They were stronger than them up front on both sides of the ball. The Saints want to be bullies, but they got bullied. Before we move on, though, I keep saying that. I'm just having so much fun.

Like Eric told me the time in my year of how long we've gone. It's been a while already. Really? And it's just like... I feel like it's been five minutes. I'm never getting out of this chair. We're having a good time. And that's a credit to you.

Maybe we got to be in here every year. Monday night. Now Nick Shook is feeling that he's saying like what's happening here. I wanted to just give some love to Colin Sanders. This guy. Okay, where do we even begin?

Let's begin on the broadcast how they were talking about him and they were saying that his brother, I believe his name is Cameron, was there. His brother is a backup dancer for Taylor Swift. Okay. And so they were asking his brother, who are you rooting for, are you rooting for your brother who is a player on the Saints team? Or are you rooting for

your boss? Taylor Swift, who's boyfriend plays for the Chiefs. As they're telling this story, he gets an interception. The big boy takes it 36 yards. One of my favorite plays in the night. It was outstanding and it was a play worthy of our best announcer in the game. Kevin Harlan, take it away. Here we go. Second down and goal. Mahomes in the gun. The two in New Orleans. P. Ryan in motion. there's the shotgun snap the fake handoff the quick throw at the goal line is deflected and it's intercepted on the play by saunders he runs the big man the 10 near sideline 20 on the near side line 30 got a blocking from behind the former chief is taken down the Saints big man got it on the ricochet at the goal line on a pass intended for smith schuster that was a thick pick that was a thick pick Six. It's the thick pick one of the moments of the year. Throw the next gen stats up on the screen. I just saw this screen. The thick six. I love that phrase. He reached a top speed of a 15.79 miles per hour. That is the third fastest speed by a ball carrier who weighs over 320 pounds. I don't wait 120 pounds. And I don't think I could get up to 15. No, you definitely can't. I don't think. I mean, I couldn't either. Right? I get I would have it. It's incredible. I would have to do the math, but this is... Was he a running back in high school? He was. It was nearby in Missouri, they mentioned. And yeah, that essentially gave the Saints second life, gave us

some entertainment on what was otherwise starting to feel just like a slow death march of this like a one-sided game. And that play is a play I'm going to remember all season. And sometimes that's what these games are about. We learn something. We'll find out if Derrick Carr is healthy enough to play next week, which is really important. We'll get more reporting on that. The Chiefs look better than ever. But ultimately, from this game, like, that just gave us a shot of joy in the studio that in one of the best interceptions, and you just never know when that play is going to happen.

Thank you to Colin Saundry. We got the shovel pass. We got the thick six. What more could you need for a Monday night? We could need a little bit of news. So we're going to take a quick break. We're going to hit some news very quickly. And if you're a fan of these Monday night shows,

you know we wrap up with our players of the week. And then we're going to drive home. This is fun. This is like your nighttime drive on the NFL Daily. Thanks for listening. Stick around as we return with your news. Remember to call into the hotline 1-800 NFL Daily. We'll give you our advice after the break.

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I demand it. You know what we could do for a segment coming off of that. music. Can we do like advice with Bridget calling the 1-800 NFL Daily? And and like you you write to us, you need advice on your team or like how you should handle a situation. Your girlfriend is like not letting you watch the London games because she wants you to stay in bed something and we'll handle it on the advice segment. I love that. So that's giving you what, you called it Miss Delilah vibes. I don't even remember. No, not Miss Delilah, just Delilah. Like I remember this is a very only Boston people will remember this. Like going to the Cape on the weekend.

driving back Sunday night, it's late, and, like, Delilah is on the radio, and she's like, you know, like, she would play Jewel and, like, you know, slow love songs and you could call into Delilah. What do you want to hear? Yeah, I was thinking more, I thought you were referring to more like of a Miss Cleo vibe. That music, though, reminds me more of a 70s or 60s game show, a 70s, like match game. That is coming back from break. You don't even know what match game is, but I was once a, like match.com. A production, no, a production. assistant on the program. Most Outrageous Game Show Moments, three, I believe, and four, hosted by Chuck Woolrie, where I just watched game shows all day long. And now you're the host.

That's what everyone says that that's a cool job to just watch old, like, password episodes all day long. But after like a week or so, after like a couple months of it, it gets pretty old. You kind of go a little crazy. All right. Let's do some news, Eric. News. All right, so I mentioned the Rishi Rice News from Ian Rappaport. He will not be back this season. And we're looking to find out.

I did at sometimes, you know, if you're connected with Rappaport, I'm like, what's up with Pacheco? I never heard any backup on Pacheco. Ian's like, I had reported it six to eight weeks. And I said, yes, but Andy Reid said after that, but they're not sure if he's going to come back this season. So if you see an Ian Rappaport report in the next day or two about Bacheco, give me the credit.

That I was like, go find that out. Like fantasy owners, that's why I'm asking. They want to know. But the Rishi Rice News is big for the Chiefs. Injury-wise this week, Nico Collins, we found out from the Texans coach, D'Amico Ryan's, is going to be week to week with a hamstring injury. He suffered that injury while scoring a touchdown.

Yeah, he leads the league with 567. receiving yards. You know, coach did say he's in good spirits, but that's a blow. And it felt like he and C.J. Stroud were finally getting their, you know, stride together, working together. It's going to give more time, I guess, to Stefan Diggs, Tink Dell, and Dalton Schultz. But without him on the field Sunday, after he got hurt, they were limited to just nine points. And those came from three field goals. So it'll be interesting to see how this offense adjusts if he's not out there on the field. Yeah, I think it's a big issue for them because I think they've been too reliant on CJ Stroud and Nico Collins just making magic. I kind of don't think their system is working

incredibly well because I look at CJ Stroud and I'll save it. I'll save it for future shows. This is not the CJ Stroud show. But I think he and Nico Collins were playing as well as any quarterback wide receiver combination in the league. And yet the total numbers of the team aren't amazing. So that's a concern for them. I am curious what you think about what's going on in New England. Now, we got... Okay, I'm glad we're talking about this. It's in the name of the show. It's NFL Daily. So I have a, unfortunately, like, this show, this news will get updated. I think we're got to hear from Drake May. I think he is going to be the quarterback. But as we're taping this, we don't know. Well, they won't announce it until quarterbacks don't talk till Wednesday. So it won't

be outdated tomorrow. Might not be, might not be outdated soon. You never know if a report comes up. But just the way Geron Mayo sounded, not fully backing Jacoby Brissette, usually when you do that On a Monday, a change is coming. Do you want it to happen? That's more. Okay, so here is my question. My question is what's different now than the beginning of the season? Because we knew this was going to happen, right?

Like, yes, they found a way to win week one against the Bengals. And everyone kind of thought, oh, my God, there's hope for this team. Maybe they're better than we thought. This offensive line has been a struggle throughout the entire training camp. They were switching guys in and out. They just didn't have, I mean, even going back to last season, this offensive line, the lack of weapons, the lack of receivers, the lack of tight end. Like, we knew that this Patriots team was going to be an issue.

So, and yes, Jacoby Brissette made some throws we talked about earlier that could have been better. But what is the point? This is what I don't get. And maybe you can answer me. And I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. I just am trying to understand. What is the point of putting Drake May in there now? I think because you want to see what he can do, you want to see how the offense look.

Okay, I understand what you're saying. So you put him in there. He gets destroyed. Now you have the fan base calling for him saying, get this guy out of there. Who would draw on Mayo? No, no, no. Oh, calling for May now.

As they did with Bailey Zappy and Mack Brown. It's a little different. Or did I just say Mac Brown? I would like to see him play quarterback. He could have maybe played quarterback better than Mac Jones did last year. I think the difference is their coaches and they didn't think, it was going to be this bad. They thought they could win.

I disagree. I think they were hopeful that it would go better than this. Okay, okay, maybe better than this. And yes, you lose to a Dolphins team without their quarterback to a Tungo Viloa. You should have won that game. 100% should have won that game. Poor clock management, poor throw at the end of the game.

I get that. But what is going to happen if Drake May goes in there gets sacked four or five times a game? The Patriots are still losing. It's football. Like, so I think, I think you asked the right question at the beginning. What's different now between now and week one?

I think that's a totally fair question. They were hopeful it would be better. They've actually, what's different is actually the offensive line is even worse now. They've lost two to three left tackles. So now you're going to put it in? And they're center. So that's a point against it. They thought we signed Jacoby Brissette.

We want to see how we can do. I actually think they find value in the five weeks that Drake May has just had to see. See, I disagree. The week to week process and everything like that. But I don't think they wanted to play them. But here's the difference. I think the locker room would want to play him because they see him in practice every day

and they're like, this dude is better. And everyone acts with quarterbacks like, oh my gosh, what if he gets destroyed? And what if this happens and we break this? I understand it's the NFL and you need to like, you're going to get destroyed and you're going to injury is going to happen. In practice, it can even happen. They're throwing out centers that just joined the team 10 days ago

to go out there and make the calls. Like, what about those poor guys? I understand that. I'm more just, this is what happens if you didn't. didn't put Mack Jones out there as early as you did. And you got a weapon, you got an offensive line. You got weapons. Would people have been calling, like Boston is such a different sports market, you know, than even L.A. Yeah, but they're dumb. And you can't. But I understand. But I think that I wonder how much of this is outside noise for Drodmeo. How much is he seeing Caleb Williams?

How much is he seeing Jaden Daniels? And how much is he thinking Drake making going to the Patriots system and do the same thing? Chicago and, who did I say? Jaden Daniels and Washington are two very different places than New England right now. They have two very different types of players on their rock. Oh, yeah. No one is arguing that Drake May is set up for success. He is set up for fail. But I've seen a lot of great quarterbacks play in really brutal situations.

So you think Drake May can go out there and this Patriots team can contend for the AFC East? Of course not. I mean, I don't even think he's going to play that well. I mean, in the circumstance. So why throw him out there to kill the kids confidence? That's where I do disagree. I think if you're going to be a great NFL player, you'll withstand it. Like, he's not going to play worse than Jared Goff played as a rookie.

He's not going to play worse than Eli Manning played as a rookie. He's not going to play worse than Alex Smith played as a rookie. And the thing... What about Trevor Lawrence? He's not going to... I don't think he's going to play worse than Trevor Lawrence played as rookie. But if he did, all of those quarterbacks came back and had the careers that they were going to have anyways. It's fine.

Drake May is so much more talented than Jacoby Brissette. Now, I have very little faith that this offensive staff is going to have any solutions, any cohesion. They really look like a coaching staff of leftovers, which is harsh, but it's kind of what they were. They were all these guys on the other staffs that the other teams didn't want to hire. Like, McAdoo is still kicking around. Like Alex Van Pelt, he's the one guy in that Stifansky and McVeigh and Shanahan Coaching Tree that's like, no one was giving him those jobs. No one was giving these opportunities.

And it's not going well. And maybe Drake May can save them all. He probably can't. But he is the most important person in the franchise and he's the best quarterback on the team. Let's just see him play some football. Like, let's get some yards. And if it goes poorly, like, what's, it's going to go any worse?

What's going to happen? they go from like 30th to 31st. I'll stop talking. People are going to say... Who cares about the people? You can't worry about the boss of the media. I'm not worrying about the media. Yeah.

But I think a young player... Fair? That has to deal with media is... I don't know. Let's just see it happen. And then we can talk in 10 weeks and figure out who was right. Okay.

We will. Like, if he really struggled for the most part and only showed little signs of him playing well... I remember reports from training camp. I think that would be good. He came along a little slowly. I think he came on better at the end where people thought he was playing better.

I think there is frustration from the wide receivers to on this team that like Jacobi's just not throwing them the ball. I don't think it's Jacoby Brissette's fault, but why not? You took this kid third overall. Quickly, we're going to go through a bunch of a jury. I'm just going to roll through these

and then we'll get on to our players of the week. Daxhill is believed to have a tour to ACL. Actually, that was confirmed by his coach, Zach Taylor. he's the cornerback of the Bengals. Really disappointing for him. He was having a good season for them at cornerback. David Injoku hurt himself again.

It's a new injury. It's a knee injury. He's getting an MRI on that. That's disappointing. A couple offensive linemen who are playing well are out for the season. The Cardinals, their guard, Will Hernandez, the Panthers, their center, Austin Corbett.

Not like flashy teams, but actually those have been two of the better offensive lines in the league. So that's big news for those teams. Those are the strengths of those teams. Taylor Moten, the Panthers right tackle. is also going to be out this week. And then the Cowboys pass rusher,

Marshawn Neelan, has a torn meniscus, is probably going to be out a month. Brutal, another player at that position for Dallas. That is really scary. Before we move on to our final segment, I did just want to mention Hurricane Milton, which is bearing down on Tampa. The buccaneers,

just to kind of connect it with football, are evacuating. Tampa, like a lot of the city, There's mandatory evacuations in a lot of Tampa. The Buccaneers are going to New Orleans, actually, early in this week. They play the Saints on Sunday, and so they will be staying in New Orleans, a place very familiar with scary hurricanes. And the reports on this are just, I don't know.

It comes after they just dealt with a hurricane. Yeah, Hurricane Helene. Just a couple weeks ago, I mean, this is brutal. You never want to see any city. go through this, especially a city that just dealt with this a couple weeks ago. Sarah Walsh, our very own reporter, dealt with some scary, scary stuff a couple weeks ago and is getting ready to evacuate once again. And, you know, our thoughts and prayers go out to everybody in the Tampa area. I know, like, coming from a news background, I had to cover a lot of hurricanes and I know how

scary really it is, especially because you don't know. And, you know, you don't know if it's going to be as bad as they say they are. You don't know whether you're, you should stay and risk it. You know, of course, the word is to evacuate if you're in an evacuation area because this looks bad. It looks scary. You know, this is a football podcast and we hope that if you're in those areas, just know that we're here, whatever we can do to help and hopefully listening to us fight about football can get your mind away from it.

But that doesn't dismiss how severe and serious of an issue is that it's happening. Yeah, it seems like a bad one that kind of snuck up in terms of the severity and the strength of the hurricane and how much it's grown in the last few days. And so, yeah, our thoughts are with everyone in the Gulf Coast region. We're going to wrap up the show here. As we do, I give you a little bit of homework. Bridget, did you do it? Yeah.

Are you kidding me, Greg? You never know. I wouldn't mess up this opportunity for the world. Some people say they did the homework and then they freestyle. And that's fine as long as you're good at freestyle. And it's our Captain Morgan players of the week. Time for Captain's Corner. What if we have the same one?

We haven't even talked about this. by Captain Morgan. I guess it's possible. I will let you go first then. Ladies first, our first time guest, long time listener. No,

you've probably never listened to this show. You're honking about wanting to come on. You know what? I will say something. Before I got this job at the NFL, it was 2021 right after the Super Bowl, right when Chris passed. And I used to listen to this podcast.

And I remember I was on a walk in Washington, D.C., 2021, right after the Super Bowl. and it was the episode where you guys were all like talking about how much Chris meant to you and stuff. And that is the like one episode that's stuck in my mind. And I remember,

I was like if I ever work at the NFL, like I got to meet those guys. They sound like they have such a great connection. Because you know sometimes when you listen to a podcast and it's like these two people are talking and nobody's listening. Like they're not listening to each other. They're not collaborating together.

They're just people want to hear themselves talk. When I used to listen to around the NFL, it felt like you were just at the, a table with your friends talking football. And yeah, no, I think it's one of my favorite shows to listen to. NFL Daily has been incredible. You've done an awesome

job. I know hosting is your forte. Okay, fine. Hosting isn't my forte. I mean, like, it's not what you usually do. It's not what I usually do, but it's been a lot of fun. No, I appreciate everything you said about around. So on that note, you're my player of the week. No. I appreciate

everything. Yeah, that you said there. They're, yeah, I think of, because that was the Tampa Super Bowl. That was one of the most brutal weekends of our lives, obviously. But one thing it did, if you want to find a positive about it, is no podcast seem hard after that. There were some, I wouldn't say no podcast seem hard. There were some really tough ones this summer. I mean, having around the NFL and the way that it ended and starting this, that was brutal. But honestly, like, even that week, I actually was thinking about, like,

having a podcast after Chris died and everything. Like, nothing will ever compare to that in a way that, in a positive way, and he would remind you me of this all the time. So, like, we're just talking football here. Like, you know, like, we love football. We're talking football. Like, even though it's our livelihood and there are stresses around us and it's our careers and everything we just talked about with, like, when this show was starting,

like, that's all extremely stressful life situations. Like, nothing will be like that. So I appreciate your kind words. Yeah, so never say I don't listen. And Captain Morgan is like, what are you guys talking about? We want a lighthearted segment about players of the week, so give it to me. All right, my player of the week is Mr. Coles cash himself. Okay.

Kirk Cousins, I love him and I love his story. And I just love that people continuously count him out, especially Kirk in prime time. And look what he did Thursday night in the primetime game over the bucks to take the lead for the NFC South. He had a career high, 509 passing yards, four passing touchdowns, an interception, and led that game winning touchdown. He tied his career high with four passing touchdowns. He just, he was everything that the Falcons wanted him to be that night. And he did it on prime time where everybody could see. Kirk Cousins is still alive and well. And he is my player of the week. I love that choice. And it sets up one of the most fascinated, I think, stories of,

let's just say the next month of the season because the way they won that game is that replica? Can you keep doing it that way where he's just slinging it in the pocket, barely moving it all and just dropping dimes? It was impressive. It was awesome. It was a great choice.

I'm going similar in the sense. I'm picking a quarterback who's not always everyone's favorite player. I'm going to go Daniel Jones. Just because we were talking about this guy, you're making a face. I cover Daniel Jones at Duke. know. And nice guy. He seems like real nice guy. Like I would, we were watching the video

He seems like the type of guy. Everyone says, nice guy. No, you were watching the video earlier of Stefan Diggs and the Vikings and everyone asking like, who would you not want to date your sister? And they all said Stefan Diggs. I would, I would let my sister date Daniel Jones. Nice guy. Nice guy. Nice guy. Nice guy. Great quarterback. That's another question. Nice guy though. No, but a good quarterback when he's protected. And the reason why I wanted to throw him out here is more of like how this season is going. I mean, he goes into Seattle. Did he block you or something? You're trying to get him to unblock you? No. I've always said that if he's protected, he can just be like a league average quarterback. I don't mean a positive, like he's not a net huge positive. They shouldn't have

given him that contract. But if you protect him, he's not like people this year coming in the years, like he's the worst quarterback in league. He's number 32 going into the league year. After week one, I was one of the people saying like, is this game in Washington going to be his last ever for the Giants. That was the conversation, because he was that bad in week one. If you look at his numbers over the last month since week two, total EPA, he's like fifth or sixth in the league. I mean, he's not that good of a player. He's had some good opponents. But my point is, they went into Seattle. They dominated that game. I watched that game on Monday, and the Seahawks were lucky to even be in that game. If you protect him, he was mostly short

stuff, accurate. And the thing that gave him my... Captain Morgan, Captain of the week, was him trucking defenders. Like, he wanted that business. Like, he saw out, I don't know if this is the smartest thing for his health long term, but he saw Seahawks in his way, whether he was going for a first down or not, and he ran over them. Like, he is playing with an edge that tells me, like, hey, I've got this job. I am keeping this job, and he's playing pretty well right now.

So that was our captain's corner presented by Captain Morgan. it's delicious and crisp, perfect for game day with friends. Spice it up. Visit captain morgan.com to find a captain near you. Please drink responsibly. You're my captain. Oh, thank you, Bridget. What a time here. In the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, pretty crazy, it's named after him. Full circle. For all of our new listeners, like, it's good, it's good to bring, sometimes I just bring them up with no context and assume people know who I'm talking about. And so I'm glad you gave some context there. And this was a lot of fun. This was a lot of fun. Monday is always fun when you're in town. I am heading to Thursday

night football in Seattle. Nineers. I mean, I'm always in town. I live here. Well, you see you in the newsroom like all day. And you ignore me. No, we, we, we have great conversation. I'm not sure what you're doing over there. This is the thing about Greg. I'll DM him and he'll respond to me three days later. I'm not like a DM. Yeah. Text me. Do you want me to respond? Text me. I'm an old. You found how old I was today and you were like... I was shook. You were a gas. I want to know where you get your Botox. I wish. I look so much older than I did

a few years ago. I look so much older than I did like four hours ago when this game started. We got to get out of here. It's time for bed. We got to drive home. Thank you to Bridget Condon. Thank you to Eric Roberts behind the glass. Let's go Dodgers. You need to win for your boys.

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