NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Saints-Rams Week 16 TNF Recap

Episode Date: December 22, 2023

In a stadium filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus and Marc Sessler break down the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Saints and Rams. The guys break down what this victory means for the Rams as they make their late season playoff push (3:40). And, take a look at Derek Carr's performance and explain why numbers don't always paint a full picture (8:40). Next, we talk about Puka Nacua's impressive showing and look at his tremendous rookie stats (10:30). Finally, the heroes hear from some fans and Gregg at the game (21:30). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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are on the precipice of being a playoff team in the NFC. After another win, 30 to 22 over the Saints, a game which Matthew Stafford continued his dynamic play in the second half of the season and we got another monster game from Puka, Nukua. This team is dangerous and they beat a Saints team that continues to fade.

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again, the Rams they're not a perfect team special teams sneaky disaster and i kind of think when their season ends whatever it is whether it's regular season or playoffs probably some type of special teams gap that gets them but there are so many other aspects of this team that are intriguing and right now it's that offense with stafford puka cup kairn williams that really makes them dangerous no matter who they play yeah i mean it's two teams kind of going in a different direction in the rams I think I just point to what a great coaching job. Sean McVeigh has done at different segments of the season.

Like the team they are today is completely different than the team they started the season with. And, you know, it's like people that weren't even on this roster a year ago. I mean, Kairn Williams really was a hammer down the stretch tonight. Puka Nakua is just like he's a rookie, really? I mean, he's so productive in this passing game with Matthew Stafford playing the way that he is. I mean, it's kind of like a crazy box score to look at. they only completed he only completed passes to four different guys but they were each so critical and like to marcus robinson you know having really one of the games of his life six catches for 82 yards

anchored them in the first half and i just i think you know the defense um which is still outside of aaron don a lot of like newer faces and unknown players to the casual fan um they really like they put the saints into a tough spot out of the gate because car is blown up on the first two possessions on a third and fourth down sack. And I think those failed first downs down for Carr and the Saints were really critical on this because they had a fourth and five pass right before the half, incomplete, and the Rams go right down the, within side of a minute,

they go right down the field and score and make it 17 to 7 when the Saints were hanging around. And another failed fourth down later. They're 0 for 3 on fourth downs tonight. And on the season, they're 0 for 7 on fourth downs with fourth and five or more to go. So it's execution, it's coaching, it's weird decisions where the Rams to me are heating up. And it's like, I don't care where they land in this wild card race if they get there.

They're going to be a strange and tough opponent to deal with. You know, if things stay where they are and we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, especially in this season where teams have been kind of playing rope or dope with us all year, there is a real scenario where the Rams are traveling to Detroit to face the Lions. and it's Matthew Stafford against the team that drafted him. And we like the Lions, but you cannot tell me the Rams would not have a very real chance to win that game. I actually look at the Rams, and I think they could hang with pretty much any team. Now, going to San Francisco in the NFC, okay, that might be a tall order.

But they just, the way they play and the way they're coach, and, you know, we've been talking about it. You could, this is not that this is the sexiest conversation, but when you talk about coach of the year, This is a really good coach of the year, year. There's a lot of coaches you can make a case for and a credible case. But McVeigh is one of them too. And the fact that their expectations around this team were so low entering the year. And they're playing at such a high level. And they have entering even if things don't work out here, Mark, for this team down the stretch.

And they have at Giants and at Niners to close. And we don't know what version of the Niners we get because we don't know if they'll need the game. Even if things didn't work out, this is a team that finally gets first round picked. back. They have a lot of cap space. All of a sudden, the Rams are looking dangerous. But so much of it is predicated on Stafford, who, you know, he had so many big time throws in this game. I love Stafford. I think we, we all do on ATN. He has that sidearm motion on a couple of those. He's just, he's a wizard the way he throws the ball. And I just think as long as he stays upright, they're going to continue to win game. So, you know, are they the Cinderella team? It feels like,

Mark, if there is a Cinderella team, uh, and I kind of like not to jinks them, but your brownies there's another exciting AFC wild card type team. Who's going to go crazy in the playoffs and shock people like the Rams, they, they can be that team. They just got to close out this regular season. Yeah, I think it's just stay healthy and, you know, Matthew Stafford, stay healthy. And I mean, they, they outlined it on the show and we've been talking about it. at kind of, from a more ethereal standpoint all season, that Stafford just looks younger to us. It looks like he went back in a time machine.

And you're right. I mean, I thought on display tonight was that one sidearm throw to DeMarcus Robinson. And they missed a field goal on that drive. But it was just like, okay, not that many quarterbacks can make that throw. And to have like the wide receiver talent that he does right now, it's just they feel like a team. They've scored 30 plus and four or five games. I'm with you that McVeigh really. fits the essence of what coach of the year is. Rahim Morris does as assistant coach of the year.

I mean, because this was a roster that had, you know, 30 plus young players, rookies and undrafted free agents that no one knew about. And like the fact that they've developed them this quickly, it's to me, it's sort of the opposite of what's happening with New Orleans that feels like their coach is a couple weeks away from hitting the exit door. And you can't just blame it on Carr. Like Carr, I thought in a lot of these games is how to come roaring back with a hot quarter, but there's too much imbalance on that roster because while the Rams are getting Karen Williams, you know, eating up the clock down the stretch and bringing so much balance and opening up the passing game because of what he can do on the ground, you're getting

like the worst version of Alvin Kamara tonight, 19 yards at 2.1 yards per carry. They were lost on the ground. They're running for 35 yards. And then you got car under duress early in the game when I thought it set the tone that they were forced to make tough decisions on third and fourth down and couldn't execute outside of a couple big, deep throws. The score in the end feels not fraudulent, but it's a little, it doesn't guide you to what this game was really about, which was the rammering them.

Absolutely fraudulent. I mean, forget about lipstick on a pig. This is, this is mascara on the pig, some blush on the pig, put a blonde wig on the pig. You're looking at a pig and you're saying, do I love this pig? Am I going to buy this pig a drink? But then you like take another step back and you kind of squint. You're like, no, that's an ugly. That is an ugly animal. because this game was everything that tells you why the Saints cannot be taken seriously.

They were non-competitive, could not run the football. You mentioned Kamara's struggles. They ran 16 for 35 yards in this game, 2.2 yards per carry, non-competitive. The defense was just as bad. The Rams kind of were scoring at will while the game was, before the game kind of got out of hand. I think they had maybe one punt late in the third quarter, Los Angeles. So the defense of New Orleans, which, as I've said, I said earlier this week, has been very topsy-turvy this season. They've had big weeks.

They've had shutout weeks, but they've all said plenty of weeks like this where I think they gave up close to 450 yards in this game. And, you know, Mark, you know, I'm by the, by any metric, I guess, I'm a Derrick Carr defender. But this game, I can even say, like, this is why Derrick Carr drives people nuts because you want, you want to point to him and say he stinks. and you want the smoking gun with the stats to back it up. But he's the king of this. Like he did not play a good game here. Certainly not when it mattered. But when they pile up those 15 points in the fourth quarter on a drive,

block punt, quick touchdown, two point conversion, all of a sudden, the stat line finishes 27 to 40, 319, 8 yards per attempt, and three touchdowns in one pick and a pass rating over 105. Like that's super annoying. And it is another reminder. just not to judge a player based on stats because he is even as a defender of car he's a compiler and and those those last two drives um really kind of made this game look a lot more competitive uh than than it truly was and you know as someone i oh i locked this one up by the way nothing better

who nothing better is there anything better than a thursday night football lock the whole world you're operating with house money for the rest of the football weekend. So I think that was a wise move on your part and well executed, unlike the Saints and what they tried to do tonight. But you know, I've had a terrible lock year. And when they were, what was the score at one point? It was 30 to what, seven or whatever it was. When they score the two quick touchdowns, the Saints, saying if the Rams ever blow this game, I'm, I am not doing the podcast. It's a Mark monologue, which might be, might be interesting and preferable for some. But They got the first down they needed the Rams after that second Stain score after, of course, Pooka Nakuwa recovers the onside kick.

Because of course Pooka Nakuwa had to recover the onside kick because Pooka Nakuwa, it's almost as if Mark is great as he's been and he has gotten plenty of press. It's not like nobody knows what's going on with Puka Nakuwa. I think maybe a game like this brings into focus that he's having a truly historically great rookie year. This is, I believe, a fifth. round pick who finishes this game with nine catches for 164 yards and a touchdown on 11 targets making all sorts of tough catches, making DBs look foolish. And they flashed up a stat that I thought really it was put in perspective what he's been doing this year. In the time that you and I have been working for NFL media, I don't think anybody has ever exploded on

the scene like Odell Beckham when he was a rookie with the Giants, a first round pick in 2013. He hurts his leg in training camp. It's a hamstring injury, and he's out the first four weeks. He joins the Giants and immediately is the best wide receiver in football. And tonight, Pooka Nakua, and that included, you know, the one-handed catch against Dallas on Sunday night football. It was one of the great debuts in the history of the sport was Odell's rookie season. Nakua has now tied O'Dell Beckham for 140 plus yard games as a rookie. He's got four of them already this season. So, you know, offensive rookie of the year is certainly, if you give it to him,

I know C.J. Stroud's the favorite, although the injury clouds it. But Nukua's emergence is been just an incredibly important part of this Rams rise. Yeah, because I think you could have imagined a world where he was thriving, certainly statistically and looking like it as a player when Cooper Cup was out. But then Cup comes back and Puka Nakua fades to the background. And they found a way to keep them both so productive together. I mean, even tonight, you know, there was the one throw, and it was one of the Matthew Stafford's few gaffes where he missed Pooka Nakuwa wide open.

It would have been another touchdown. I mean, a large catch removed at the end of the game by a penalty. In general, the Rams also missed a field goal. It's like they could have poured on more points, but like Pooka Nakua came close to having them even more of a monster evening to add a cherry on top to what, I would have no problem with it being an offensive rookie of the year if we didn't see Stroud return again. If Stroud's lost for, you know, a big chunk of games, which is a possibility, then there's a real argument for it. And it's like, I think part of it is, like, again, these are, it's not that it's narrative driven because he's just literally a great player.

He doesn't look to me. It's like he and O'Dell Beckham are different players, but it's like he is. But I think for some reason to me and tell me if you agree, when I watch him on the field, he looks, they keep saying he's 6-2 and 200 plus. He doesn't look that. He doesn't look big to me on the field. But with each catch and catch and run and tackle shedding exploit, it's like he is, his strength does show in the type of play that he plays. And I think he's such a perfect fit for the Rams offense. And it's like he's just getting better. And this whole offense is getting better. And I don't know. I'm looking at a team that like could easily have scored 40 points tonight if a few things went a little differently. You're right. Stafford and Missed Nakua on that one gimmee touchdown. One of the the only truly bad throw Stafford had all night or even the last six weeks. Stafford has been so good. This stat from Big Funk behind the glass, Nakuwa sitting at 1,327 receiving yards after week 16.

He only needs 147 in the final two games. And now we play an extra game now, so keep that in mind. But 147 in the last two games to break the single season rookie receiving yards record, which is 1473. Is that Odell? Does O'Dell have the record? Well, he missed four games, so it's probably not O'Dell. Let us know who that is.

Anquan Bolden, that's a good trivia question. Bolden had that monster rookie year with the Cardinals once upon a time. Anything else from this game, jump out to you, Mark? I mean, I don't, I get on Greg for doing this kind of thing, so I'm not trying to mimic him here. But, like, is as unwatchable as, like, the Saints offense is for large stretches of time. Like, they've got this, like, insane. matchup with Tampa Bay coming and then they play Atlanta. It's like they can really they can find a way to if you

want to talk about putting like lipstick on pigs and other animals like that would be like the next level version of that but they're still alive. But the Rams this they kept talking tonight about like how the percentage is totally flipped on who won tonight and the Rams just keep getting it done. They're going to get the giants and then you're right. We'll see what kind of San Francisco Niners roster is operating a weakie team. But like I could see the Niners needing to play their starters based on what happens here over the next couple of days or weeks. The Christmas night game against the Ravens is so big in that realm. Some more data on Big Funk.

Let me know who has that receiving record. The Rams have now won six of seven. The only game they lost in that stretch was an overtime loss to the Ravens. So this has been a legitimate rise for Los Angeles. They're up to a 78% chance to make the playoffs, according to ESPN analytics. And Stafford, since he came back from the thumb injury in week 11, the Rams have scored at least 28 points in five straight games. So not only is this a team on the rise with a really bright future and plenty of assets and money to get better in the off season.

Sean McVeigh has reestablished himself. You can think where we were this time last year, Mark, where McVeigh, as the season went, you know, as regular season came to the close, there was this idea that he was going to walk away. he'd even told his assistants hey don't wait for me go look for other jobs and then at some point he had some type of come to jesus moment and decided to come back to la and at that point it i wouldn't say that mcvay's star had dimmed obviously he had won the super bowl the previous year but you kind of understood why maybe he was looking at take a break he was a young guy the ramp seemed like they were going into a down cycle but this is just proof that in the nfl you just got to hit on a couple draft picks as they had to have have and hit on a couple of personnel moves as they have. Cooper Cup was a mid-round pick. Stafford was a savvy trade, Nakua fifth round pick, Kyron Williams. These guys were not expected to be stars. They've all kind of stepped up. And the defense, and you're right, you obviously have to give credit to the D.C. on this because they have put together a defense that is

competitive week after week that is very young and outside Donald and a couple other players inexperienced. So very good times for the Rams right now. Yep. And we will just note that it was Bill Groman of the Houston Oilers that had that 1473 yard rookie record in 1960. The Super Bowl era version of that is Jamar Chase with 1455. But I think, I think, sure, exactly. Thank you. There was that there was that feature that came out about McVay in the offseason. And I, you know, it painted the picture of someone that is just classic. so hard on themselves and like probably burns themselves out. And I think he thought he was walking around the building last season burning everyone else out too. And I think this is such a

different experience. And like, you know, it is like also like less needs creation because they've kind of shifted the philosophy of who they are because I think it's we're back to the world of draft picks, back to the world of like drafting a lot of guys, drafting, taking undrafted guys on the side, like forming the kind of Rams team that you want. And it's really different than chasing a top heavy selection of prizes to go win one Super Bowl and then the whole thing could have crashed. Instead, we're here. The team has been redone. It's happening quicker. I think the best, today's NFL rebuilds, it's inexcusable to say they should take four or five years. This is not in 1993. It should happen faster, quicker. And a team like the Seahawks did it a year ago.

And I think the questions were like, could the Rams do it too? And here we are. And like, they're better than the Seahawks. The kind of team that could probably knock off, a surprising Lions team in the playoffs like you talked about. So it's like it's kind of an interesting time to be a Rams fan. It's so different than where we were two years ago. Yeah. And you just as you're making that very good point, Mark, I think, how have the Jets gone 13 straight years without stumbling into the playoffs once?

But that tells you a lot. And I did mention Raheim Morris and the Rams defense deserves credit too. We're focusing on the offense because that's the special part of this team. But Kobe Turner had a big. fourth down sack on car he leads all NFL rookies with six and a half sacks this season uh he moved ahead of byron young his teammate uh who has six sacks so you know this isn't just aaron donnell and you know everything is taped together uh with spitting bubble gum this is a team that's that's really figuring things out and i mentioned the last thing here i mentioned the special teams

is an issue for the rams remember they got that overtime loss their only loss in seven games is a punt return for a touchdown this loop you know we have the the kicker club what's the opposite of a kicker club i don't know a kicker well a ghetto a kicker i don't know something bad like a like a i don't know if you've ever been to like the um the the bus bathroom at the port authority oh in cleveland yeah or port authority but cleveland's was like you walk up into the men's room i can't speak for the women's room but like there's 18 stalls none of them have doors on them so it's like i don't know what we're doing here but like it was sort of a decrepit nightmare and that's where you put these special

so the kicker uh cleveland uh bus authority uh location is where lucas haversick uh belongs he missed from 47 in the second quarter la has now missed 11 field goals this season the most since the 2015 bucks according to ESPN they also got a punt blocked in this game so they got all sorts problems on that end of the ball. They'll get that fixed in the off season. But I think it's going to haunt them. I just got this feeling, Mark, that's what's going to get them. They're going to have a big fun, competitive back and forth playoff game because I do think

they're going to be a playoff team and that will get them. But, you know, we'll see. Big Funk chimes in with kicker Roadhouse. And that just makes me think of the Patrick Swayze moving. I think that place is awesome, the double deuce. Yeah, the roadhouse sounds like too much of a potential reward for these. for these players. Did you see Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze?

Oh, 1988. Yes. Have I? Yes. Kelly Lynch. Who's the guy with the big mustache from Big Lobowski with a great voice? Oh,

gosh. I know. Sam. Sam Elliott. Sam Elliott's in that. What a film. Check out Roadhouse. It's an excellent film.

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All right, welcome back to around the NFL. This will be fun. So time for who will deliver presented by Uber Eats where you can get almost, almost anything. So before tonight's game, we sent some members of the ATN production team around SoFi Stadium. And we said, ask the fans who they thought would deliver in tonight's game.

Here's what some of them had to say. Well, we're hoping Derek Carr has a great game. The Saints bring it again for their fourth win in a row. It's a really important game for us. Both teams are seven and seven, and we need this. Rams are going to win. It's playoff, baby. Williams is going to go off for three touchdowns tonight.

Two touchdowns Williams, two touchdowns, Puka. And my long shot is two touchdowns Higbee. Budo Rams. I think that Kamara's going to. to go off a lobby is going to score a touchdown as well and I think this score is going to be 2117 it's going to be close that for tonight I'm predicting you know what a good at least 250 possibly three tugs I'm gonna give him about 15 15 yards rushing tonight you know what may possibly possibly possibly have a close game

throwing a late rushing tug well first of all it's gonna be a great victory that's for sure right we're gonna take it tonight of course right and you know what Stafford is gonna put it down today he is gonna have three touchdowns right. I cannot calculate how much yards, but it's going to be probably over 300 yards. And guess what? We're just going to end up going, man, we're going to go on victorious. Probably matters, man. Make the damn playoffs. There we go. Those fans are passionate. Don't tell me L.A. football fans don't get it. They were fired up for this game and not all of them nailed their predictions, but fun vibe at so far.

Yeah, I tend to, I'd say overall, it seemed like the Rams fans, very optimistic and came relatively close in theory. The Saints fans, not so much. Their predictions didn't pan out. on any level. But you know who really delivered? Gregi. He took the kids to the game, took the wife to the game, saw Otani up close.

That's great, by the way. Otani. Otani visits the Rams and he's on the sideline and he's sitting, you know, in a suite. They give him a jersey and he's all over, Twitter and everything.

And it's like, Otani's been here. Otani was on the Angels for the past like five years. Like they're the Los Angeles angels and that i mean don't tell rank uh because i love rank but like that's pretty like sad indictment of where the angels are within the the greater um sphere of sports here in los angeles although they are if you don't if you know the area the angels are like the orange

county team and it is that it is a dodgers town here in this area of the city uh or state i should say but anyway never mind that gregg took his kids to the game he saw tani his wife probably, you know, was thinking about Greg or Otani? Where should I go? I don't know. We'll get back to you on that. Anyway, but he did give us a report from the game. Maybe he'll talk about Otani. Let's hear. All right, here at SoFi

Stadium, Rams Saints. I got to say Rams fans brought it tonight. They get a lot of grief, but they brought it. Shohei Otani brought it. We saw him on the sideline before the game. Matthew Stafford

brought it all the trick shots are fun to see in person like the angles are crazy uh bust the rhymes brought it at halftime that was good walker uh my family brought it walker you got anything to say who can the cool rules okay pukena kua rules that's it uh from sofi good night at the game thank you from uh the rams making my my kids happy am i on a podcast all right that was who will deliver presented by uber eats the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL order now we've talked about how Greg and he tries to play it off but he's been turning Walker training Walker to be a little like a football robot a twin um so it is I think instructive it tells us that that Walker's training is going on that if he only says two words

uh Puka Nakua because she that was the story so and walker walker was just locked locked in on that Who can the cool rules? Yeah, I'm not surprised. They're all, they're a Rams family. I would ask you this, though, because I remember when we were young, one of the reasons we got into this, what we do is because of WFAN, and they had this incredible show on Sunday where, you know, I was a Browns fan. It's like you're looking for any morsel of information pre-internet, right?

And they'd take, they had like that six hour-long show where they'd go to beat reporters at the stadiums for like three or four, you know, 30, 40 seconds each. you could barely hear them but that Greg report had that essence and that feel where it's like this guy is trying to get his message across to us clearly with about 80,000 people behind him going absolutely bonkers with about six beers in the mitch. How about this idea? That's our show now. Every week we send Greg to a stadium.

You and I do 40, 50, 60, 70 minutes. Maybe we get Colleen in the mix, you know, Shuki, Claibon, you know, typical ATN setup. Greg's still very much a part of the ATN universe, but now we're just sending them to different parts of the country to give us 90-second dispatches. And that's, it's an important part of the show. It's maybe a smaller part of the show, but equally important and gets us closer to the game,

which I think makes the show better. And I think even Greg would agree, whatever makes the show better is probably the way we should be doing this. Yeah, he'd have to agree. I mean, it's sort of our version of reimagining our operation as the Rams have done over the past 365 days. And I think it gets that, it ignites that natural reporter in Greg. Even if it's only 40 to 50 seconds per episode,

it would really bring him back to his roots. Good, good, good. So that's settled then. Do you want to make the phone call? I feel like you might want to make that phone call. Yeah. No, it's, no, it's just to be informative. I'll let him know.

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