NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Saucy Offseason Story Lines

Episode Date: May 7, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all the latest news around the NFL including the latest player retirements (10:42) Richie Incognito working out for the Raiders (18:34) Myles Garrett speaking about being a better player without Gregg Williams. (30:16). Watch out, saucy offseason story lines coming at you! (39:00)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ah, I'm running a little bit late. Got to get to work. The boss man's going to get on my old, you know, he's going to get mad. at me. It's going to get on my case. Maybe I'll go through the crossing. Uh-uh. Bad idea. You know I? Think about this. In 2018 alone, 270 people were killed at railroad crossings. 270. Stop. Trains can't. The Around the NFL podcast has never rubbed another man's rhubarb. Welcome to another addition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I

I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. Hey. Not that there's anything wrong with rubbing rhubarb. Please, no more rhubarb. I'm begging you.

I don't like to mute anything on Twitter, but I have... We're getting close. If Rubarb continues to show up in my mentions, and I love our overseas listeners, and, you know, they like to teach us about their culture, I just, I don't have the interest in rhubarb. It's not a thing for me. It's like we were talking before the show, Ricky Hollywood behind the glass.

Earlys, 90s, alternative rock came up. We were talking about Soul Asylum and the song Runaway Train, whether it's good or if it holds up and all that. Ricky, you just don't want to hear it, right? It's not like, it's no offense. It's just like you don't want to hear us talking about that. Yeah, 100%. That's how I feel about Rubar.

Around the same time that Runaway Train was such a hit. I was, you know, in a band called Delaware, which we've brought up in the show. Of course. Which was on the label, Strawberry Rubarb. Strawberry Rubab Records. See how it all ties together that? Some other bands involved.

How many bands were on this label? This is another link in the investigation. We had a zine, strawberry rhubarb. So it was just, yeah, there was a... What bothers me? There have been multiple side discussions saying that all the tapes and all the footage exist. You just won't bring it to us. Yeah, do you have the tapes?

Yes or no, Greg. I have one tape. So it's the investigation that doesn't even exist. at this point. It's on you to bring it in. Just think how happy you'll make people. What does that mean to you to make people happy? Not enough, apparently.

Wow. What if we put it? All right, this is a serious question because the Internet's pretty amazing with crowdsourcing and funding. As we've seen, we got one of our old producers a brand new car, I think, or paid for repairs.

Wes, of course, during his courageous cancer fight, the listeners pitched in and helped Wes out with the bills. What would it, what would be the number, Greg, that fans would have to raise? And I'm not joking, to get the Delaware tapes on our podcast. I can't put a price on it. I'm not putting a price on it. $1,000? No.

I don't, this is, I can hear the HR lemmings coming in, you know, they're coming in. Don't blame it on that. They don't listen. Nobody listens. They're not going to interfere here. I don't want it. We should bring it up. $2,000?

$2,000. I wouldn't do it for money. That's the wrong. If you did, would you give some of the earnings to the other people that you'd be exposed and the other bandmates, the writers, the label? I was pretty low on the strawberry rhubarb. They need a taste. Let's just say that Greg's not the only one from his band who has tape of Delaware.

We don't want to go that route. We would rather not because that seems unfair to Greg. But, Mark, welcome back from vacation. Thanks. You did one of your patented Sessler staycations, which I always imagine is just you walking through Los Angeles alleyways in broad daylight. That's just how I just picture every vacation for you. I kind of learned a lesson because this vacation began on the Saturday after we wrapped up the draft.

You don't start, you start the vacation where, you wrap up you kind of that Friday beforehand needs to be where the vacation starts i i it was like an emergency vacation to get a breath of fresh air and i i stripped it of two functional days so there was less wandering there was very little wandering so the whole time you just regretted that that you know even from like i've thought about that though because sunday i was like i i planned this very poorly i should have taken the following week where if like if we wrap up a pot on thursday or something but sometimes like you're you said, you just need the breast of fresh air. I think about that sometimes because I always

take the week after the Super Bowl off and we don't get back to Monday afternoon. So you're running into the same thing. But sometimes it's just the right time. You just feel like that's a nice. Your Super Bowl post-bold vacation is what compel me to do it. And there is a plus side, but there was a lingering minus side in my head also. Oh, always fun to take a walk up there on the old Sesslet rain. Coming up on today's show, offseason storylines to watch through the rest of this spring. Is it spring yet? Yes. Yeah, it's spring.

It's May. Come out, Dan. I thought it was April still, and then sometimes like, when does it fall? But we're certainly in the spring now and through the summer. So we'll track or kind of each share some storylines, not like season preview type storylines, more just things to keep an eye on as we, you know, rookie mini camps, OTAs, the mandatory mini camps, and then, of course, into standard training camp. what are some storylines to watch but before that by the way this is why october beats may

let's talk about it well people always talking about the best month and may is always a popular choice but for a great portion of the country may is a cruel tease comes in and you think it's going to be beautiful and it's you know if you're in chicago i was there for draft weekend once and it was 30-something degrees of windy come on up and down come on october is just beautiful just about everywhere in America. That was the Eddie White interview, if I'm not mistaken, that you conducted during that draft. Kevin White. Kevin White, excuse me.

Maybe also. Kevin White. You were all in on Kevin White for like years after that interview. Yes, I was beguiled by Kevin White. Eddie White. Who knows? He's with the cardinals. There's got to be a hundred and fifty Eddie White's in our life.

It's like I'll leave it to Beaver character. Probably. No, that's Eddie Haskell, actually. All right, let's do some news. Okay, I'm waiting for this little Starbucks cup. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tourman's talking, Tom is talking, Tom is talking, uh-huh, uh-huh,

pan to the right, come on, yeah, I get murdered for you. Uh-huh, mm-hmm. Look at the cut! All right, Wes, this is, you are our representative, our Game of Thrones fan in the room here. You speak to it. Speak to the shame of a Starbucks cup showing up in a scene of games. Game of Thrones, one of the, you know, the hottest pop culture property on television, the whole world watching, except for the rest of us in the room, and explain, you know, talk your way out of this one, Wes. Well, I was told after our spoilers discussion that I am incredibly old, much older than you would think chronologically, and that I am totally removed from the cultural zeitgeist.

This is an example. You have a television show with dragons. Yes. you have a television show with people sleeping with family members and they supposedly allegedly have holy blood running through their bodies that allows them and the most the sounds like a terrible show the point at which their loyal viewers get upset is when they have a Starbucks cup because now it's not believable anymore you got dragons on your show what do you mean it's not believable that point that point and I saw that point and I get that one

What is the word anachronistic? What is it? It's an anachronism. Yeah, well, that, you got to get that right. You got to get those details right. You can't have a coffee chain from Seattle from the 20th century founding. I had that job once, a continuity person on a full set. Actually, my title, because this was when they did not correctly realize that anyone could do the job.

My title was script girl. You had. Your job was like to line up every single shot to make sure. Why not script boy? I mean that the title did not exist The title came from a time when there was like two jobs on a 60 person set and one of them for women and one was called scriptural

But I jumped into this with no experience But it was that kind of thing where it was like If a pebble was out of place or someone had their tongue out Then they didn't you had to like control 80 wild people And it was like an absolute nightmare Let me say this a little more forcefully On the episode after The episode in which the opposition had a practically

thousand to one advantage in manpower, especially because they were undead and they came back immediately from being dead. The next show is when the Starbucks Cup happens and that's when everybody gets in a rough... Wait, do you enjoy this show? I do. I just like there are certain parts of it that you really have to try hard to suspend your disbelief, especially if you're not used to watching undead and dragings. So like the Starbucks Cup really to me is a little

La Raville Magnific. They've done a deep dive. On the level of nerds watching this show. But a coffee cup? A coffee cup. Local. They do support the locals. All right. Let's get into the news.

Good pop culture talk. Sebastian Janikowski. Let's talk about some retirements. And we did last week. And if you missed it, go back and listen because it holds up beautifully. Mark, Patrick Claibon. If this is okay,

Claibon and Colleen, we're sitting in your chair for around the AFC and around the NFC in 48-minute episodes. and check it out. But what it caused us to do is not hit any news. So we missed little nugs, like some retirements, like Sebastian Janikowski.

Is that okay that they sat in your chair? I mean, I would normally feel like a huge disturbance in the air if someone were outshining me in that position. I didn't feel anything, but I think I just was generally unplugged. But I did see that they both performed people loved them. So what can I tell you? Yeah.

I don't know. No, but you were okay. with them actually using your chair? I mean, this is, yes. This chair is used by Damashek's people too, so. Okay, here we go. Seabass is done after 19 seasons in the NFL, the former Raiders and Seahawks kicker,

calling it quits. Oh, yes, this is, I asked for retirement music. This is, this works. So he goes off into retirement after 19 years, it was 19 years to the day when he was drafted in the first round to the 2000 NFL draft. It was a good run.

The 41-year-old told the SPN, I still think of the Super Bowl. It still hurts. God, who even remembers that Super Bowl so long ago, but the Raiders, a long, long time ago in the 2002 season, I believe, or three season, two season? Two.

Went to the Super Bowl and got creamed by John Gruden and the Bucks in a game that famously the Bucks with Gruden knew all of the Raiders play calls as history. has it, and the MVP of the season, Rich Gannon, had a miserable day in part because the head coach of the Raiders who was Bill Callahan.

Bill Callahan and staff didn't quite prep for the fact that Gruden had built that team that he was facing at the Super Bowl. That's a little aside of the little NFL history jaunt. But coming back to Seabas, it's over, Wes. First round kicker, will that ever happen again? Hasn't happened since. I predict it will have.

happen at some point. Really? Yeah. I mean, we're just a couple years away from having a second round kicker. And that guy wasn't even as great of a prospect as C-Bass was coming out of Florida. And that was as, you know, public and a big of disgrace slash disaster as you can imagine. I feel like that would scare people away from ever touching even the second round. But I feel like that the level of prospect that Roberto Aguio was, there's going to be somebody

who's like twice as good of a prospect, say some left footer who kicks them from 70 to. pretty regularly. Like, I think that might happen in the future. I also want to say C-Bass has gotten a lot of love on this show and from people on Twitter for the last few years. Not even the best left-footed kicker of his era. David Acres deserved a lot more love than C-Bass. I guess C-Bass was kind of a, well, he had some off-the-field issues earlier in his career,

but in terms of an entertaining on-field character, he had the big beer belly, he was huge, he was on the Raiders, he had the biggest leg. The nickname. 63-yarder, of course, which at the time had tied an NFL record. He was C-Bass. He had all that as part of the package. Well, I think also the throwback angle, I think people actually pictured him in their mind smoking cigarettes on the sidelines

before he was about to go kicker. I think it's also like his body type. He was just this massive dude. To get picked in the first round as a kicker, it seems like you'd have to have someone like Al Davis on the other end pulling the trigger because you're going to get absolutely assassinated as a front office. But he ended up, he has the most fifth. 50 plus yard kicks of all time.

So you think of him as a big kick. Ultimately, you look at the rest of that first round. Of course, he was the last guy left in that draft other than Tom Brady. It's like he was one of the 10 best players in that first round for sure. So it's like I get like position and you shouldn't draft a kicker in the first round. But people get so caught up like mocking the lions because they took a tight end to a. It's like the position scarcity. In the end, he was a better pick than a ton of other picks in that first round.

If you knew your kicker was going to play at a high level for 16 years, would you take him in the first round and just sit back and be like, I know it's going to go well. He had some bad years. He did have some bad years. I still probably wouldn't. No, I would not take a kicker in the first time.

Also ending his career is Jamal Charles. Charles signed a one-day contract with the Chiefs and retired the team announced last Wednesday, 32 years old, entered the league in 2008 out of Texas, and from 2008 to 2016 was just an absolute stud, one of the best players in football. He's the Chief's all-time leading rusher Over 7,000 yards, 5-1,000-yard season

I believe he tore his ACL week one of, was it 2016? Yes. And he never was the same guy after that. He bounced around a little bit in the end. So it was sad that things that ended up the way they did because he, Mark, was on a Hall of Fame trajectory before that ACL tear. Yeah, I think now that you'd have to look at him

just from the way the Hall of Fame works with numbers, You still have Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson about to end their career soon. To me, he's what, he's 56 in rushing. I think he is a hard time making the Hall of Fame. Based on the fact that, like, he's... I don't think he will make the Hall of Fame. No, I mean, he's closer. Ring of Honor?

Okay. Well, I don't know what Ring of Honor means anymore because it feels like every time I turn around, someone's being thrown into a Ring of Honor somewhere. He certainly would desert you with Kansas City. Right. Is that a shot at Jake Delome just now? No, I mean, but just in general, it seems like if you played on the same team for six plus years, you're tossed in the Ring of Honor.

Well, because he didn't have that many carries after that injury, he is the all-time leader of tailbacks, really running backs, in yards per carry, which is an amazing stat that he's going to go down. There are a few quarterbacks ahead of him, Cunningham and Vic, and Marion Motley is ahead of him, and he was technically a fullback. So I don't know if you give it to Jamal Charles or not, but that's still pretty incredible that year after year after year he was 5.36. 6.4, 6.9.

I mean, he kind of turned the, you hear, track guy. He was a track guy. And he's one of the, like, he changed track guy from being a dirty word. He made it work. Speaking of Chief's Ring of Honor, Derek Johnson also signed, or is signing a one-day contract this week, and we'll retire. 36 years old, entered the league in 2005 as a first round pick, and played a long career in Kansas City. He finishes as the Chief's all-time leader and tackles, added 14 interceptions, 27 and a half sacks,

the first team all-pro selection in 2010, and a four-time pro bowler, a nice career. I think he was one of the first of those guys who ruptured their Achilles, but then came back to play anyway. Halfway through his career is about when the Achilles technology got a lot better in the medical world. But that 2008 draft class for running back,

it's interesting to see Chris Johnson recently officially retired, Jamal Charles. Matt Forte retired last year. Jonathan Stewart retired this year. McFadden retired last year. All from that same draft class. Good class. I saw McFadden last week getting out of a Jaguar in Larchmont Village. How about that?

Better career. And I thought of texting West at the time just because he loved Darren McFadden so much. It was just like, what's really the payoff with this tech? I saw Darren McFadden at the first Veterans Combine. Remember the short-run veterans? Combine and he basically went through the whole rigamarrel and he basically asked a reporter

what was my like 40 time and they told me go I'm not I'm not going to make any team and he just walked away wow can we put pause and go back to Greg do you put that much thought into a text to a friend I mean this was all me I'll just like if something comes to my mind I'll just fire it off and it doesn't even need to reply so you actually processed whether it would be worth it for West to look at it and it was a nice thing to do no I mean it was like a two second thought and you know you're walking down and I think I was about to like cross the street too so you don't want to be like crossing and texting it's just like at the moment would you like to get that text list i would put it this way if i truly was a big darren mcfadden fan it would be a

nice text to right ultimately it's sort of it would be sort of needling west like of a decades old thing of like you love darren mcfadish the assessment that i like darren mcfad just because i have claimed on separate times that he's not a joke of a football player i mean let's no one you did like him during his cowboy's run as i recall i defended him from people who thought he was washed up when he could clearly still play. All right, let's move on. Happy trails to all those players. Let's check with the Raiders.

A few things to go through here. First, Richie Incognito. Remember him? Somebody on Twitter called this potential for Headlock West. The guard, controversial guard, spent 2018 out of football. He said multiple off-field altercations. There's a mental health facility stay. Something happened in a funeral home,

which, you know, always a red flag when crazy stuff goes on in the funeral home. Anyway, Mike Garofalo, Garifolo, excuse me, reported that incognito is in shape, feeling well in all aspects, and the Raiders are going to work out incognito.

The Raiders obviously need help and the left guard position, Greg. I mean, is this going to happen? But the Raiders, you never know. I mean, at this point, I would assume it is happening. It just seems so, Raidersy and it's funny because John Gruden like earlier this week just was clearly annoyed and was saying that left guard spot is wide open no one really step out like he's already getting annoyed that no one stepped up for the left guard style it's like May 3rd and you could almost like imagine him walking into Mayox officer or Mark Davis or however it works to be like all right enough of this waiting around with incognito let's just do it Why are you drafting a guy at number four because of character?

Right. And yet you trade for Antonio Brown, sign Vontes Burfick, and work out Richie Incognito. Why is character so important to you just for your draft picks but not your other? Got to balance it out. I guess. I mean, they talk about those. You got to have a super good guy. Well, they're not admitting to the bad guy side of it.

But they talk about the rookies as like their core future building. But apparently you're allowed to lace that core with some bad apples. Yeah, I mean. Straight up. human poison. Well, it might be like there's different people in charge of different things. You know, Mayak, it's his draft, but I don't know. Is he the one signing Ritchie Incognito?

Who knows? Isaiah Crowell spent last year with the Jets, had his moments, signed with the Raiders, was going to be in the mix. Well, not anymore. Last week, he suffered a torn Achilles, and the Raiders place him on Inger Reserve. Because of that, a couple of dominoes fell. Marshaun Lynch popped up and said, hey, I'll come back. going on me back, you know, beast mode.

And, you know, I have to say, I would not have a problem with that, but we are not doing a third beast mode retrospective on this podcast. I'm with you. Did we do one a few weeks ago? We did one on the Twitter show. We did one at the Super Bowl. Well, actually, we've done three already. In this case, it sounds like it wasn't his fault.

It was reported that he was not in the plans and that he's headed to retirement. But it sounds like he didn't know that. You know, he sounds like he fully wants to play. His mom, you know, immediately when that report came up, was like, oh, what? He wants to play. But it sounds like he's done. This man retired before I had cancer.

What are we doing? The Raiders, for what it's worth, did act and replace Correll on the roster with Doug Martin. They re-signed Martin, who ran for over 700 yards and ran for over four yards of carry over 16 games, including nine starts with Oakland last year. They looked ready to move on. from Martin and of course signed first drafted first round rookie Josh Jacobs already have DeAndre Washington, Chris Warren. But now they need some depth. So Martin rejoins the fray.

Maybe this actually, Doug Martin's just taking a job because you've got to get a job. Probably it'd be better off hanging out on the wire a little bit longer, but I guess you can't turn down work. They have a lot of people. This is the team that cuts C.J. Anderson after less than a week last year before he went on to do what he did with the Rams. And it was Gruden who was talking endlessly about Chris Warren at the Combine as if maybe Chris Warren was going to be promoted and take over some sort of spot then they draft Josh Jacobs and signed Doug Martin so full house finally Ronald Ollie who was featured on Last Chance You

that Netflix show that Greg I know you're quite a big fan of he has signed or earned a tryout with the Oakland Raiders Oh, he signed, excuse me, with the Raiders after a tryout. So he got a chance to try out with the team. Greg, I know you are excited to talk about this. Ronald Ali is maybe my favorite character. I've watched season one and three,

and I didn't watch it until fairly recently. It's an amazing show, and he's an amazing character in the show and just person. He's like a very likable guy. He lost his parents, his dad killed his mom, and then killed himself when Ronald Ali was five years old. And the life trials that so many of the guys on the show have to go through to get to

the point, which is just the longest of longest of long shots is fascinating to watch. And just his, if you guys do watch the first season ever, like his personality and just everything about him is really unique. And it's really cool because he was a, even going into the draft process, he was a huge long shot. He was, you know, he's at Nichols State. So it's cool to see. Maybe you'll make it.

Very cool. So you would heartily endorse that program? I would. Why did you, it's a bit extra to watch season one, blank on season two and then watch season three? Well, it's a lot of, it's, they're long and I heard that this, and maybe fans of the show could tell me I'm wrong, that they were a little aware of the cameras going into season two because they did two seasons at one college. And then they went to a new one for the third season. And so I just got some bad feedback on it. And plus it's like six hours to, you know, kind of like.

It's a logical answer. A bit of the wire corollary there, fans of that show. And people are always very late to the wire, the HBO show. And said, oh, you know, should I watch it? And people would say, absolutely watch season one.

Eh, you could skip season two because that's when they went to the docks. And the dock season was a little weird and not necessarily all of part of the same adventure or story. And that's season three, they get back on track. That's the connection I'm seeing here. Adventure.

There is a connection. But I think time has, First of all, you do miss that on things. That was the Keith Hanses line. Oh, good adventure this episode. I think time has proven season two underrated of the wire. Really? Yeah, I'm with Dan on this one.

Enough of going to the docks with that jerk off sun every day. Let's move on to Dopp Bears. I invented that. The bears are looking for a replacement for Cody Parky, who, of course, infamously in Chicago, he'll go down in Chicago lore as, Mr. Double Doink in the playoffs cost them a game against the Eagles, then went on the Today Show, and then got cut. Anyway, so on Friday at three-day rookie minicamp, Matt Nagy had the, you know, on the surface, a good idea.

But I'm not sure what the payoff was either way, but he decided to take all eight kickers at the rookie minicamp and set them up on a 43-yard field goal in front of the entire rookie minicamp. roster at the end of practice and said do what the old kicker couldn't maybe he was going to rub a little salt in parky's wounds if they hit all eight and then that news item goes out there but instead the kickers miss six of eight naggy says that's not good enough now i will say this we always look at the end result of what happens which is 100% what matters right but as we're learning two of those eight holds and snaps it wasn't 100% all right i'll leave it at that so that blew up in naggy's face a little bit. Hill Parcells, Adam Venetary talks about at the beginning of his career,

Venetary would be setting up for a kick in practice, and Parcells would walk across his spot and do a whammy before he kicked, because if you can't handle the pressure in a practice, like, when are you going to do it in the game? The kick was also, you know, slightly blocked, so was that part of the drill. It was tipped. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, he said he was like trying to, like, you know, some teams are like, we're moving on from the past.

He was like, I wanted to talk about the elephant in the room. That's a C. That's Dan Quinn's move. All right. Please. We got something else going on here. What? The Bears have acquired Eddie Pignero from the Raiders.

We've got a trade breaking news. It's a kicker trade, and it's involving the Chicago Bears. They didn't like what they sought to try out. They're giving up a conditional seventh round pick to the Raiders. He has to be on the roster five games. Doesn't Eddie? Welcome to Tenero won that job for the Raiders last year coming out of camp. He beat out Georgio Tevecchio, and he beat out news.

And then he tore his groin, like, right before. Are they just, are they still got to keep eight kickers? Are they, I guess? Well, there's only two other kickers under contract. And one of them is a guy named Chris Blewett. I just don't think Chris Blewitt should be on the Bears roster. It's so offense. It just seems like you're inviting something.

You need to change that name if you're going to be a kicker. That is in the, the poorly matched last name Hall of Fame, along with former Tampa Bay Ray's reliever Grant Ball 4. Bob Walk? It would be funny if all bears Blew it. No, man. Grant Paul Ford. Just become Chris with no last name.

That would become a media thing in a good way. What if the bears... Or a symbol? Like a Prince symbol? If like Matt Nagy becomes upset, like all their moves are regarding kickers. Like all the news coming out of the bears is kicker related.

So far, that's kind of the trend right now. Yeah. I don't know why Nagy did that, by the way. That was weird. Let's move on. It's like they ask them questions about other positions that he just keeps talking about. Remember what happened to the playoffs?

Gerald McCoy, let's talk about him. The Buck's defensive tackle, clearly on the trade block, has not gotten any voter competence from Bruce Arients. He stayed away from off-season workouts. But the six-time pro bowler, nine years into a career, he's heard enough of the negative comments around him. He used Sunday to speak out during a workout via an Instagram story. That's how things operate in 2019, guys, to prove his dedication to his craft.

Cinco de Mayo, everybody out, probably getting ready to drink, probably drinking right now, no matter. You want to question me? See what I do on Cinco de Mayo. I work. I work. And I've got my kids with me. How many people doing that? All pro on and off the field.

Want to question me? Is he going to be ready? Does he love football? What? Y'all crazy. Lost y'all mind. I work. Don't you ever question me?

that's a great rant i mean that was just like one little segment of it when they when they show it on nfl network because they're showing the instagram story you can see it was one of like 13 straight instagram story which is also like erika you do that sometimes like where it's just it's a non-stop video that you're cutting up by 15 seconds you know but it's like a three-minute essentially essentially a three-minute video isn't that kind of cheating i mean that kind of annoying i think it could be annoying I've never done a three minute. Maybe not three minutes, but it was like two videos. It was like 12.

But I mean, I'm saying you open up a story. How did Erica get hit with shrapnel on that way? Yeah. Okay, you're seeing. I mean, Instagram cuts it up nicely for you. Sure. I'm saying if you open up the McCoy one and the rant starts, you see that there's 14 more stories to go in that 24 hours.

Oh, but that's too many. Yeah, you don't need too many. Yeah, it's stupid. That's stupid. It's intimidating. You're just like, if you see all that, you're just going to turn it off. Moving on, Miles Garrett, the star defensive end for the Cleveland Browns, did a feature with Dan Pompeii for Bleacher Report, and he said that his former defensive coordinator, Greg Williams, now the defensive coordinator of the Jets, he had a negative effect on him because he wouldn't let him do what he wanted to do on the field. Here's the quote from Garrett to Pompeii.

I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be. Greg was more like you win with these two moves. I don't want to see anything else out of you It's kind of hard with two moves I feel like you can't always be so predictable For the record Garrett had 13 and a half sacks last year And went to the Pro Bowl

So I guess he'll have 23 and a half sacks this year Be all pro So you're saying that Greg Williams Thought he knew what was better Than someone who's one of the best in the world At doing something like

That doesn't surprise me at all Please The ego on this guy I mean, that's one way to look at it. I'm usually pro Greg Williams, but it's like maybe you should listen to the person that's like a genius essentially at that skill set. Why are you usually pro Greg Williams?

I mean, I'm in this room. I'm just saying like, I don't think, like he's not the worst coach of the world. I'd normally like to say I'd like to hear the other person's side of it, but I don't know if I need to hear Greg Williams side of the phone. There's the other side of it too is like, I don't, like Miles Garrett. So the defensive coach said that you could only use two moves. So there were games where you thought,

you could have more sacks, but you said, no, coach said I can only use these two moves. I'm calling BS on this. I hope this isn't true. Like, he would only do two moves because coach said he couldn't do other moves. This just seems unnecessary, to be honest with you. Adam Gase is going to be using more than two moves on Greg and the Williams by November. Headlock gate. But there is, I looked into this.

There's history between these two guys. Miles Garrett went after the Brown's game plan after a loss of the Steelers last year. and Greg Williams fired back via the press. They had heard me say that over 100 times here. You can't take responsibility? Just blame me. I'm okay with it, which is pretty passive-aggressive. Dig back at his star player.

Just leave it in the past. I mean, I think our Greg's point with Greg Williams has often been that he has a shelf life and that is true in Cleveland and it will be true with the Jets. It's hard to imagine a person with a poet's soul not getting along great with Greg Williams. And my point

You might not like this one Mark A lot of guys like to talk on the Browns Myles Garrett does I know I noticed that you had That the Browns Miles Garrett doesn't at all Miles Garrett does not Outside of this

That's why it's surprised me Because he has said nothing Almost negative at all in his career All I'm saying is since we're talking about this He publicly called out his coach's game plan In a game last year And then in mini camp Went out of his way to take a shot

So he'll talk to the media about things he's unhappy with and there are multiple players on the Browns that will talk and if this thing goes sideways there are some guys that talk that's all I'm saying. One thing is they were destroyed

by everyone for legitimately sucking and not getting out of their own way. They look like they've set the table nicely and if they suck again after all this hoopla they are going to be denigrated and scattered by people if they go 5 and 11. People are not going to end with their fun.

and I can see it is a concern but at the same time they have a quarterback what did you say you saw something on Twitter no I noticed that you had like a post or it was a mailbag was it a mailbag I think about Browns the Browns being the off-season story it's a very fair point that they have been doused with all this praise they've done nothing

on the mailbag someone asked me if the mailbag people were getting too excited about the Browns and for the record mark I completely said yes keep that in mind but this team is so talented that I believe this is a, you know, playoff team. I think you know that I sighed with the idea of chill out until you have won games. Like, I'm not walking around, like, spinning scarfs and throwing hats and, like, kicking people

on the face. Spinning scarfs. Whatever, just brown scarfs, you know. Finally in the news, the bills, they're trying to curtail tailgate antics with new policy. That's the headline in NFL.com. I put my own headline in our rundown for the show today. Bill's attempting to price out louts and loose women at tailgate. Now, how are they going to do it?

The team is creating a, quote, tailgate village, which will charge a 20-person vehicle $300, a $40-person vehicle, $900, and $900 for a $60 people vehicle. The charge breaks down to about $15 per person for fans that want to tailgate in the designated area. Buses or limos with passengers who do not want a tailgate will be charged $100 to park. So basically, they're trying to get rid of people that are showing at the game. You know, they're just, oh, we're not going to the game. We're not here for anything else but to get smashed, get destroyed, go viral. And if they raise the prices, they will send these degenerates somewhere else on their Sunday morning.

That's the goal. Now, whether or not it works, we'll find out. The riffraff usually has a penchant for sticking around. Money, pricing out riffraff, I think works sometimes, and that's what they're going for. Just make it too expensive for them. How were they pre-identifying loose women in louts before they enter the stadium? Once they're in, they lose them. They have no, they lose coverage of them.

I feel like that's a large chunk of their stadium crowd, so they should be somewhat careful with this. I mean, they're not, it's also only $15 per person to get in. I don't know, though. This is one of the parts of the bills, you know, experience from afar that I've enjoyed. They hated the bills. organization and there's quotes in the story if you want to read Kevin Patrick's post and we've heard it even in a joking way when we're at the

owners meetings I brought it up to Sean McDermott and you could tell not that it struck a chord to them but it was the idea of no we don't they don't like this idea we're known one of the things the bills as a team are most famous for in the last 10 years is their unruly fans not the football product not their success or failures what's going on in the parking lot they don't like that we do as fans right but if i like if i was a i mean it's better than everyone talking about like the buddy nicks you know era chan gaily duke's a hazard like hey guys remember uh dug wayley that was terrible buddy and chan uh that's what's happening in the news hey guys

wedding time chris westling oh my god holy goodness it is may 6th as we tape this you're getting married on May 19th. It is coming. Like a freight train. And guess what? Freight train, I would not go near. No, especially with the game. Don't step in front of. We should get extra for that. Anyway, the blacktucks.com, that's where you go to get it. You know, Greg, myself, Mark, all groomsmen in Wes's wedding. What an honor. And we are all using the black tux, as is the groom, right? Mine arrived today. Unbelievable. We all have our black tux.com. com tuxedos. So we are ready to go and that's a big moment. Mark,

I know you said you've slowed down with your Instagram output, but the big, who is going to put the first photo of the four heroes and tuxes together on Instagram? It's something to watch. What's going to happen on the gram? I mean, it's got to be, Wes has his choice of how he wants the media to run that day. He'll be

busy, though. Yeah. He has hands of a full. Nobody needs a green light for me to post about my wedding on the various social media outlets. I give that company some props when it showed up in my house the pre-ordered tucks the box itself you open it up the whole thing's been kept very nice the whole the whole thing what a package and as convenient as can be you wear the tux and then uh after the wedding they give you 72 hour grace period just put it back in the box and send it to us we'll take care of everything it will not return in its um pristine form

i suggest or predict sweat soaked one last start with swing someone from the home office is like marking down Mark's name now. It's like, let's watch out for any drug paraphernalia with this Sessler. I didn't go down that roadcar. Rent your suit or tuxedo at the blacktucks.com and enjoy $20 off with code around. That's the blacktucks.com code around for $20 off your purchase. The black tucks, it's coming, Wes. What timing?

Do they know the wedding's coming? They should just be hammering these ads the next couple weeks. I agree. All right. Now, let's get to it. off-season storylines to watch through the spring and summer. We'll go around the horn here. And you guys throwing out there that I guess what we're looking for here is a storyline

that will shape the season in a lot of ways for that team or the division or the conference. So, Wes, I'm going to mix it up. I don't you do this. Nice. I'm going to start with you. Well, our very own Brian Baudinger recently said that Daniel Jones drafted by the Giants at number six overall is one of the best athletes ever to play the quarterback position in New York.

Ran a four, six, 40. Tested very well. Tested very well, drafted six overall. I want to see this offseason if there's a la raveo Magnifico. If this guy is clearly better than Eli Manning in practices, a guy who's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL for the last three years. If this guy is clearly better than Eli, he should play week one. and Giants fans should be demanding it.

If he's not clearly better than one of the guys who's been the worst quarterback in the NFL, then the Giants are in trouble because they drafted a bust. If this guy's such a good athlete, we should see right away whether he's better than Eli Manning or not. Will Shermer and Gettelman make the same mistake Hugh Jackson did last year? Ultimately, maybe costing his team the playoffs because just out of some beholden to some philosophy that he has to stick with the veteran. He'd have to be on fire, though, for any. chance you would think just because picking up the offense and reading defense and just because

I mean we've seen Eli Manning's stature in that franchise normally you would say yeah the number six pick would have a chance and that would be it's an interesting topic to even bring up because I haven't even thought of Daniel Jones as a potential week one starter normally would but it's because the odds are so stacked against them he'd have to crush it is isn't that a no-lose situation for the Giants though if that kid shows up and plays out of his mind and looks incredible and looks like an athletic freak. Even if they, out of deference to Eli, sit him, it becomes just a matter of time. And then maybe you have a real solution at the position. The worst case scenario, of course, if he looks lost. Right. You know, and they get off on a bad foot with him through,

it could have not Hackenberg level failure of potential, but you're nervous. You really do want him to show something. It's important. It is. It's like they went out of their way to draft someone who is already preordained as a student of the Mannings. So it already puts him in that. If he's the understudy, we kind of get it because he's always been Eli's buddy in it. But it maybe removes some of the Eli. We have to hold him up on a pedestal because the GM actually went and got a quarterback to compete with Eli versus just answering questions about Eli versus the void. I'm not going to put it on Daniel Jones, though, if it sounds like he did well all offseason. Look, so some good promise in the preseason, but he has no chance to start week one.

Because to me, that's not going to be his fault. Why are we acting like it's 2002 and not 2019? Quarterbacks drafted in the top 10 are expected to start. I guess it's because it's the Giants. Yeah, I think it's because it's the Eli thing with the Giants, which has been one of the weirdest situations going on under days. You said it's a no-lose, but it's a continued to lose. You know, they haven't been a losing team five out of six seasons.

I think I'm trying to think the last time this happened. I know opinions vary on Eli as a player, but within the New York Giants, he's a franchise legend that has all their, statistical records and two Super Bowls. When's the last time a player got drafted, a quarterback got drafted with a living icon still as the starting quarterback and immediately took over? I don't think it really happens.

I mean, Aaron Rogers is an example, but he waited three years. Like the dolphins never went and got that guy when they had a fading Dan Marino? There aren't, it's a good question. I mean, because even Eli sat behind Kurt Warner. They usually get rid of the veteran, so he's not forced to undergo a process like that.

Usually there's, yeah, like the veteran is in decline. Maybe he gets hurt or gets unseated in the middle of the season. But Eli, of course, with the exception of one game, has played every game for the Giants for 15 years. Yes, very interesting, Wes. We started off with Westbats leadoff for the Shield, our three-and-one company softball team. And again, showing his ability to get on base

and start rallies and score runs. and score runs and just be a tone center, like a Nick Zenzel. Oh, Nick Senzel. Don't even get me started on Nick Senzel. The whole world is everything that was dark is light again. Nick Senzel is here to turn the red season around. It's a prospect for the red, or now a league. Prospect, please.

He's the best player on the team already. All right. Greg, you're up. I'm going to go with the Josh Gordon situation that I, over the next few months want to see what the word is from the Ian Rappaports and the Mike Garifolos of what is Josh Gordon's potential status for the 2019 season because I think it's been a little overlooked. I just, when he was suspended, it was just like, okay, that's it. It's his career is over again.

We've said that a million times. And yet as it starts to get closer and he signed the restricted, they had the restricted free agent tender, you get the sense that it's very much an open question. And that's something that I think I could learn in the summer leading into August that will absolutely change this Patriots team if he was brought back, whether they think it's going to be during the season or, you know, for week one or whatever. They would go from never having a big time physical outside receiver, you know, almost throughout the Bill Belichick era to suddenly having two,

having no tight ends. And they've been a tight end heavy operation to one of the worst tight end rosters in the NFL. then having Nikiel Harry and Josh Gordon on opposite sides, it would just be a very different-looking Patriots team. And I think, you know, his status is something that absolutely could be a factor in the AFC race in general. We brought up Brian Baldinger a couple of minutes ago. I'd be curious to hear from a baldy type how much Josh rode, how much Josh Gordon's skills have eroded, if at all, in the last five years over the stops and starts of a career that's been dotted by substance abuse issues. he's still a guy that you can get excited about is a guy that works on the outside and makes

plays. I know he's had moments. He was a top 15 receiver in terms of yards for the stretch really after he kind of picked up the playbook until he was gone. I thought he was a really solid isn't the same Josh Gordon, but he's an above average starter for sure. I don't worry about the physical side because even when he came back for, you know, very quick periods with the Browns, he was dominant. But it's the idea. idea that he's had multiple, you know, periods where he's been away in Exodus for a year plus, eight, nine months. So here's another one of those periods. You get him back. He signs that he's signed all this stuff. He starts to play. I don't, I feel like week to week he's a

proposition. Yeah. I mean, what about it this time has changed? Because he's already put out that letter a couple times saying, I've comprehensively changed the person. I think at this point, we just all want that to be true of them, but why would the Patriots find them to be reliable? When And they seem to want reliable players more than any other trait on that roster. They can't totally count on them. And I think that's maybe one reason they drafted Nick Hill Harrio, though I think they would have anyways. But he just changes the dynamic of that offense if he's there. He's one of those guys, to Mark's point, like, even if he played in the AFC championship game,

you couldn't count on him for the Super Bowl. Exactly. That's fair. I'll go next. On the topic of wide receivers with troubles off the field. how will this Tyreek Hill situation get resolved? And is there any scenario where the Chiefs keep Hill? I know they told him to stay away from the team,

but that's a lot different than cutting the cord. If they do, even if they do, and he's on the roster in 2019, is there any scenario where Tyreek Hill plays? Is he going to be on the exempt list commissioner exempt list regardless, or does he somehow dodge that? And, you know, the latest, of course, on Hill is that the criminal case against Hill and his fiancé for alleged child abuse was reopened following the release of that audio on the first night of the draft. And Hill's representation issued a, quote, detailed denial to the NFL on the child abuse accusation. The tape, of course, was incredibly damning.

So there's all that to play out. But I'm just curious, you know, how this gets resolved. The Chiefs drafted a wide receiver in the second round. It indicates that they are at least preparing for life after Tyreek Hill. But is that how this actually ends up? I think we all have our opinions what we think about Tyreek Hill after all these things that have come out. But how does how do the Chiefs go about? What is the future of Hill?

That's still very much up in the air. That's a good question. We saw how his aging came out was pretty aggressive in his denial. and kind of obfuscation of what's really going on. And maybe if he didn't have this history, there'd be some benefit of the doubt, but I can't imagine that he gets any benefit of the doubt. Well, it sounds like I think just the takeaway from that

is that the Tyreek Hill side is going to legally fight this. And Mike Garifolo reported last week, you know, they weren't expecting any NFL action to take place last week. I don't know if that, to me, that just seems like it, right now it's indefinite. But to answer your question, Dan, I think the answer almost has to be, yes, there's a scenario or else he wouldn't be on the roster. Like if they, you know, until they cut him, I will believe there's a scenario because

they have to be thinking there's a scenario that that's possible or else they cut him. That's why I said, stay away. The wording, you know, the wording, you have to look at the wording in the statement that was released by Brett Veach on that Thursday night. He said, for the foreseeable future, he is not going to be connected to any chiefs activities whatsoever. But there was no, we don't condone these allegations, you know, this behavior, we are cutting ties.

They are leaving the door to open. And it also got me thinking, Hill, again, when we talk about it's one of the best wide receivers in all football. And so he's not just an important player. He's a vital player to an AFC contender. And I know people want to say, oh, that's not going to matter, but you wonder what's going on behind closed door at Kansas City. And if this is, if this goes to the point where Tyree Kill's career is over at age 25, I'm trying to think if there's, if there's ever been anything, I know, you know, Ray Rice, but Ray Rice was coming near the end of the line.

Greg Hardy is a guy that, of course, was a prime kind of sackmaster when his domestic violence issues, in effect, ended his career. this is kind of uncharted territory in the modern NFL, a guy of this star level disappearing. I wonder if it actually happens. It's a good question. There's a guy named Lance Renssel who played for the Cowboys and Vikings in the late 60s and early 70s, and I would encourage people to Google his name. He had some very interesting off-the-field issues that pretty much ruined his career.

All right. Mark closes up let's do it I know Wes will not like this Bring you in for the save Mark Well I don't know if I can I have not participated on the softball team And have not played any version of baseball Or softball in two plus decades

So maybe a bad idea I am focused on I feel like Joe Flacco I get it we all Wes loves them as soaring through the season They drafted a tight end And it's perfect for Joe Flacco But a good tight end is perfect for any quarterback

So that is not exclusive to Joe Flacco. And the Broncos who have, John Elway has largely botched the search for a quarterback almost entirely outside of Joe Flacco. So there's reason to think Flacco could just be positioned and enroll. But you took Drew Locke, and here's the issue I have with just simply sitting him all year. If Drewlock is not the answer, you can also say that Joe Flacco is not the long-term answer. And you are coming into a draft in next year, people look at that as what this was not, that there are some, we'll see how it shakes out,

but Justin Herbert, the screw up for two a guy, I mean, you can roll into next year's draft as the Broncos, as finally as John Elway is having the dude if your team is not quite there. So do you have to find a way to, if Trulock thrives in the summer camps, in the training camp,

and into the preseason, does it put Joe Flacco again on a short shelf life if he is not anything but pristine. I don't know how you don't take a look at this guy with many more options at quarterback next year because Drewlock also has not seen as necessarily the next dude. So you're not going to just say, we're comfortable with him for the next half decade

and then be the John Elway that misses and totally whiffs on someone much better next April. So Elway likes Flacco enough that there was no discussion of taking a quarterback in the first round. He wasn't going to take a quarterback at that spot, but he doesn't like him enough to bypass the opportunity to draft Drewlock in the second round. I think he did not like any of the quarterbacks in this draft enough. Yes, absolutely.

And I think he said, listen, if for some reason Joe Flacco turned this was great and turned this team into a position, we're not going to be able to draft a quarterback next year, take a swing on someone. Drewlock was not anyone's number one dude, but there are some people that really like him. So there's a reason to take a shot. But I just think it's trying to figure out, it's almost like the doll. from a different angle where your quarterback investment could be happening right now with what you did with Rosen, but it's very acceptable in Miami if Drew Rosen is not what they want, that they go out and draft someone else. I view Joe Flacco as someone that is a one-year solution,

even from a money angle, they can get out from underneath that contract if anyone else pops up. And if John, if John Elie is trying to tell Broncos fans, we are centering this team around a latter stages Joe Flacco for the ongoing future. He has his fans and I get it. He's better than what they've had. That is a tough sell to me if I'm a Broncos fan. He has the future in his own hands and that's happened twice in his career once he won the Super Bowl and once he lost his job to Lamar Jackson. I think we're going to see Drew Locke this year, but that's a good, you bring up a good point. I'm just wondering how soon. Do you wait till week 15? Well, the summer, you're right,

the summer does matter for these young quarterbacks a lot. The summer is going to matter for Josh Rosen. It's going to matter for Drew Locke. Those are kind of the players to watch in August are the young guys. But there's not a scenario where Drew Locke beats out Joe Flacco for the job week one. Do you think so? I think any scenarios. I am over trying to say that a young quarterback will not be put on the field. It would be surprising. It would be shocking, but I don't think it's it's totally out of the round. It would be bad team building because of what they went and did with Joe Flacco. So from that angle, I'm with West that he's got that. But do I think that there'd be a big problem

if the Broncos just laid a gigantic fart out of the gate and went one and four? What is the patience with Joe Flacco at that point when you have a young quarterback to look at? I don't think he can survive one and four. I think we all have an agreement on that because if the Broncos are scuffling along and Flacco does not look like the guy Elway thought he was getting,

you probably want to see the young kid in the short term try to save the season, and it also has the long-term effect of getting look at this guy with a big draft class coming up. What would be really tricky for the Broncos is if Flacco doesn't work out or gets hurt, Locke is okay, he flashes, maybe a little, maybe like somewhere between Rosen and Darnold this past year

where he has some moments but also has some low lights. Then what does Elway do if he has a hide pick next April, but we got plenty of time to talk about. What could go wrong? Do we want to do like a real quick one real quick? Just throw one out. out there and then think about it. I'll throw a real quick one out there.

I just want to keep an eye out on Cam Newton, parenthetical shoulder. Carson Wentz, parenthetical back. Both guys rehabbing. Newton is very confident. Wentz, the last time we heard, was still working his way back. Those guys are healthy in themselves. Those teams are division winners potentially and playoff teams. If not, especially in Philly, they don't have Nick Foles there anymore.

Those teams are sunk. I'll give you a quick one. We don't know who's still who's on Hard Knocks. And we were just at lunch. And usually we know by now that announcement often has been made. It's in this zone. And to me, I would love to see it be. I look back last year how much you can learn from Hard Knocks when it's done well.

When we saw Hugh Jackson battling with his staff and you just sensed something was, we already knew something was not right, but there were prime examples to look at. I would love to see the Raiders. I'd love to see Gruden and Mayock. There was like Albert Beer put out a big thing from Mayock today. he gets along better with Gruden than people ever would perceive according to Mayock and they lean on each other. I would like to see that.

I thought you throw in a little Mark Davis Spice and Antonio Brown. That to me is why I would watch Hard Knocks versus if they throw it to the Tennessee Titans or some other team that's going to make me take along now. I do wonder if the Browns... Don't speak it into the air. If the Browns were another reason for these teams to say, I don't want to do that.

Look what happened with the Browns. Like that was sort of when all these coaches are very, fearful of our knocks like that's what they're afraid of is what happened to you. Wes? We've got the last wave or maybe last violent wretches of free agency coming up later this week. The death rattle of free agency? The death rattle when you no longer have to pay via compensation picks for signing free agents.

So teams are waiting for some of these guys who have a lot of snaps played over the last few years but are not seen as difference makers. So some guys are about to be signed. And specifically, what does that tell us about the Miami Dolphins? A team that nobody's sure if they're organically tanking or not. But some of the positions on their roster say offensive line, they don't even have starters. They don't even have backups.

Like who's going to, are they really tanking or are they going to go get some of these last way? They're supposedly interested in Nick Perry, which would be. Stick to the plan, boys. I think they would. There's some decent play. I mean, there were two guys in the top 15 of our free agents still out there in Dama Domingu and Ziggy Ansah. Greg, close it out.

No, I was just doubling on your Cam Newton point. To me, that's the number one story because coming off of a shoulder surgery, like he wants to play it a little more cautiously this time instead of rushing back like he did last time, which did not work too well. So I don't know. I never believe the sunny early prognoses of these recoveries from shoulder surgery. And for Newton, it did turn out the bite. You know, it was reported after, oh, it was more minor than they anticipated.

Paid well, we'll say. Right. No shoulder surgery is minor. Am I right, Mark? Dead on. Very correct. All right. I mean, I got a tetanus shot, and that wasn't even minor.

What? I mean, it was, but not to you. It's like, it's like a dull pain for a couple days. You know. Well, they warn about minor. Yeah. They warn about the dull pain. I'm joking.

Wait, you really got to have a shot? Yeah, recently. They were like, oh, you haven't had a doctor's appointment in 15 years. We recommend it every time. 10 years, so. I thought you only need that if you step on a rusty nail. Want the booster. So you got the works?

You said, hey, it's up to you. What do you think? You know, hey. Give me the works. Knock out. I don't know. Haven't had tetanus yet. I smell a raccoon attack that you're hiding from us.

I was just there. Hidden musical tapes, raccoon issues. All right. We'll be back Wednesday. It's a three show week. The around the NFL podcast keeps rolling. That's it from here. Let's go.

Stan Hans is signing off. for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. Till Wednesday. I feel like it actually would fit in well with working classes. Oh, yeah. When I was in mailman, all we did was go out dancing and hanging out in mosh pits and throwing people around. You slam danced? Oh, I did, yeah.

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