NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - See You Next Tuesday Season Finale

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to reflect on the things they've learned over the course of the first year of NFL Daily. Before they look back, the trio reacts to Aaron Rodgers saying next season is likely his last year in the NFL (04:00). The crew then looks back at how defensive coordinators left the stamp on last season (10:55), how they learned Sam Darnold has main character energy (15:25), what they learned about the quarterback position moving forward (17:30), the development of the run game (28:15), and on plenty of learning moments about each other over the last year.    Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we can't wait to see what the season one cliffhanger is going to be from the see you next Tuesday, Yes, for the last time in season one, I don't know why we're calling it season one. It's Greg Rosenthal, Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic and Colleen Wolf in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. What is happening? Can't believe it's been a year.

We are, yeah, I mean, kind of a year as a crew, I went back and checked, but we are breaking, at least for a few weeks. It's the NFL offseason. We've got an exciting series that's going to be coming up on NFL daily, but it'll be a little, you know, while before we all get back together. They'll probably be sending you around during training camp to all over the place. So I don't know when we'll be back together again. So yes, this is the season one finale. Greg, this is called celebrating an anniversary.

Yes. Okay. So like this is what you do. You celebrate friendship. It's been one year. Technically, it's a couple weeks. We're a couple weeks away. Where's our gift?

I don't know where you took a couple more weeks to show up. If I remember correctly. I was giving a commencement speech to the future of this world. I met last year. But yeah, I didn't hear about. that. How was the Drexel commencement speech? Oh, it was good. I haven't posted anything yet. I'm really backlocked, so I have to go back. But it was nice. It was fun. It was good. It turned out not too bad. I got some laughs. Some of my jokes landed. Got an applause when I even went

into a political situation. That was very risky and it worked. Data. Love that. That is an amazing It's very cool. It was really life moment for your dad to be able to watch that. I can only imagine how How proudy. Well, and I apologize to my dad for telling him that H&M was a bookstore on campus when it came up on the credit card. Because that just, you know, I needed to get that off my shoulders. Honestly, that's on him. Right? I know. But it was, it was awesome. It was so hot in Philadelphia. It was like 95 degrees. It was outside, but covered. And then they were like, okay, and here's your regalia. And it was this like polyester. Oh, yeah. breath at all gown. And I was wearing this light khaki set, like a pants and vest. I sweat

all the way through it. And then I had to give the gown back to that. Ew, gross. And I want it to die because I, what was a light khaki set was now a dark khaki set in select spots. It was really cool. She's got rain. Hey, how about that heat wave across this country? You know, getting the toxins. Now, you had a big moment. Last week, I was in Massachusetts, visiting. my parents. I got to see my son beat my father in tennis. No, I got to see him like one on one. They were building it up as the match of the century. My dad was very confident. He could still get it done. So to see that sort of passing of the torch and my dad handle the loss just as poorly as when we would beat him like as kids and stuff was amazing. I love that. I was in Brooklyn. I was

helping my twin sister Maddie, the scientist. We've talked about her on the show before, helping her move. I don't recommend carrying boxes of couches up a third floor walkup, but I feel like boxes of couches? Yeah, her couch came in six different pieces. So each one of the pieces, you know, goes up the three sets of stairs in a heat wave, might I also add, but I love her. I love her.

It also seems like that's the last time that'll have. At a certain point in life, you realize, like, let's grow up and get some help with these moving. But you're, you're, I'll accept it. I was the help. You're not quite there. No, I know. I'm just saying she did. I'm telling her to grow up, you to grow up and like next time around, we're not doing it this way. I'm excited about this show. We're going to talk about what we've learned in this year together. How do you even quantify it? In terms of the see you next Tuesday crew, it could be life. It can be football. Some of it definitely should be football, but it can be anything. Anything that you've learned over the last year. And one of the things that, that I've learned is we can't

tape one of these shows on Tuesday without having an Aaron Rogers story, whether it was like Robert Salah getting fired. It's Aaron Rogers adjacent. There was all this other jet stuff that was always happening on Tuesday. It's been a lot of Rogers talk this offseason in general. Sure have. And so we'll just start there because that's the news of it all. But that is one thing I learned was just like that Tuesday is a day to talk Rogers. And he was on the Pat McAfee show on Tuesday. Let's listen to what had to say. I didn't need this, you know, I didn't need it at all. I don't feel the need to prove anything to anybody or don't have any chip on my shoulder that I need to hold on to. I don't want the attention. I know that's a narrative out there. When this is all done, you won't,

it's Kaiser Socite, you won't see me. I won't be in the public. I don't want to live a public life. Promise? This sounds like a job for CJ consulting. It does. It does. That's Collian and Jordan consulting for anyone out there that needs any type of consulting. Any type, literally any type of consulting. We do it all. He says that it's likely his final season in the NFL on the Pat McVee show. I'm pretty sure it is. And then we won't see him.

And one way I think the consulting firm could make their money is say like if you don't like a narrative that's out there, don't say the narrative that's out there and push against it makes you seem like that it bothers you a lot. put on the internet that I'm mad. Yeah, the interesting thing is I, okay, so this is a man who has been in the public eye for over 20 years at this point, certainly at the highest level of the NFL, but also for other reasons, his own, his beliefs, his personal opinions and comments that are often shared on the Pat McAfee show every week.

And also was a possible and sort of leaked candidate for like a vice presidential campaign as well. So my point of all of this, I really am, I really want to know what, if he's being, if he's being honest here, what shifted? Because this was very much a person who was in the spotlight and wants to be in the public guy. For him, if he's being truthful about what he's saying now, I am, I'm deeply curious to know kind of what's been happening over the last like a couple of months or years. Nobody watches Netflix documentary. That was it. In his life, I, I'm really, I'm really curious to know, like, what the psychological shift here was, if there indeed is one. Right. I mean, I think that going on McAfee every week is something that he's choosing to do

while saying that he doesn't want the extra attention and he goes on McAfee and talks about all sorts of stuff. So if you don't want to be in the public eye, you could just be a quarterback that doesn't do any of the extracurricular things. It doesn't seem like he needs the money or anything like that. exactly you could be a little bit more anonymous but he is Aaron Rogers and that comes with the territory he's had a great career he's still a really good well talent in terms of when you look back at all of the quarterbacks that have played in this league but he's so polarizing and when he says that he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and he says it in a way that you are like we of course you have a chip on your shoulder it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder

and like and it's okay to have a chip on your shoulder you're a football player like you need to build those kind of like false ghosts or enemies up all of the greats all the legends in the sport have done that in order to push themselves into more competitive territory i think it's fine if he had like this whole like seeking peace i think there's like a duality happening here with him and i'm not going to try to psychoanalyze this person i promise but like i i remember watching andrew whitworth and the the preparation that he took in the offseason when he knew it was going to be his last year and he knew that the Rams were going to try to go for a Super Bowl and he was 40 years old and he's going to be the oldest left tackle playing in history and like he he put his body

and his mind through absolute just the most exaggerated regimen and training and like made it very clear that this was he's going all out this is not a this is not a seeking of peace of joy of of happiness, kind of the things that Aaron Rogers is talking about he wants. And it's okay to want those things. But if you're trying to go out without the bad taste of your mouth, the rare thing that nobody in football, almost nobody gets to do, that very small outliers such as Andrew Whitworth got to do win a Super Bowl and then say he's retiring, like you have to, you have to let the demon out a little bit. I think it's okay. I think he's just lowering expectations. It's to himself too. I think he, the main reason he's coming back seems to be he

wants to go out on a better note. Yeah, on a better note. But he, he knows there's got to be part of him that's not fully confident in that because of the way that he played last year and the way it went. And so he's going into it saying this is likely my last year. Ultimately, this is kind of a nothing burger of a story because A, it would be likely his last year if he didn't play well anyways. And then B, he's saying likely. So if he play, you know, he might change his mind because if he does play well. But it seems to be setting the expectations low enough that no matter what happens, he's going to be okay with that because he knows in his heart, like he's going to have to be okay with it. He doesn't know if it's going to go well. And it just seems like a bad way.

If you're a Steelers fan and you're hearing like this is probably it, I've only got one where I don't really need to do this. You keep hearing that phrase that it's a cliche, but it's a cliche because it's true that like once you're already thinking about retirement, You're kind of half retired, and I just don't expect it to go well. But also, he just sounds so defeated. And in terms of just energy and people and vibes that you're putting out there, he just doesn't sound ever like he's happy. He always sounds like there's like he's just like underlying.

He's just angry. And I hate that for him. And so I'm doing essentially the thing that I hate that men do to women when they're like, why don't you smile more? Like, why are you so angry? but I'm kind of like, I don't know. Like if the vibes were a little bit more positive, maybe we would be more positive.

I mean, everyone, like he's hanging out with the coaching. Am I going to regret this podcast? Am I listening to the Drexel speech right now? All right. That's a tough time on Aaron Rogers. We did it. We did it. One full season.

All year long. But it is an interesting way to frame this season for, for Rogers. We'll see if he makes it through. We might see Will Howard start. in games by the end of the Steelers season, if it does not go well. All right. What we've learned, this is very open-ended. Why don't we start with Colleen?

It can be anything. Okay. I will then start with defensive coordinators. New defensive coordinators, year one defensive coordinators. They made a fantastic first impression, I feel like last year. When you look around the league in Baltimore, in Miami, in Green Bay, with the Chargers, even though Mike McDonald is a defensive coach in Seattle, even his DC did a really good job. And all of those places, they all made a significant change to the defense. They

kind of put their own stamp on it and all finished as top 10 defenses in EPA. So when you think about what Zach Orr did in Baltimore, he made those changes to the secondary. And then all of a sudden, that looked like a totally different unit. And then in Miami after McFangio, Miami, why do I do it? I don't know. In my head every time when McFangio left, just the change there, they kind of went back to basics and made things a little bit simpler. And then obviously the Chargers, they moved Derwin James around.

So just all of these first year defensive coordinators kind of made their mark on the defenses and did a really good job. So I'm interested to see how that plays with some of the new D.C.'s coming in this year. Yeah, and I like... Miami. Yeah. I liked this point, too, because you noted the adjustments

that several of these coordinators had to make midway through the year. Zach Orr was just getting piled on locally for the way that the, and nationally even, too, with the way that, so he had to come in and lost almost all of the relevant assistant coaches on that staff, because they all got hired out the same time Mike McDonald got hired out.

He has to come in and not only coach up and prepare and like on board new assistance to him, but also learn this job for the first time, a very young, still in his 30s, defensive coordinator, former player, and then goes and makes these adjustments. And there was like some chatter externally about like Dean Peas and his involvement. And what I know to be true based on asking some questions into that situation is, no, Zach Orr took a very egosess and technical approach to like, hey, this isn't working, so we have to change this. And Zach Orr led the way on those things and kept the team together and kept the defense together. And I think him and Jesse Minter and Chris Schuola in Los Angeles, those three, even though statistically the Rams still finished on shaky ground in terms of especially their run defense, one of the worst in the league.

But you could see all of these young new defensive coordinators and Mike McDonald's unit in Seattle develop. up over time and get better and better and start to build that momentum forward. And they hope clearly to carry that through into 2025 as well. Yeah, like or kind of follow the same path as Mike McDonald there in Baltimore, who struggled early and then succeeded late. And so I was thinking, okay, this trend spinning it forward a little bit, thinking about the new DCs this year. Cincinnati. A lot of them, yeah, Al Goldman is a good pick to potentially turn things around and a guy who hasn't been in the NFL, you know, as a coordinator. He's coming from Notre Dame most recently. But a lot of the names who are being asked to turn things around are guys who have done

it before. Steve Wilkes is the Jets defensive coordinator. I feel like he hasn't gotten any pop, but has a lot of good players to work with. Matt Eber Fluse is now the Cowboys defensive coordinator. I've talked about Dennis Allen on this show a little bit. You've got the Mike Rable slash Terrell Williams combo with the Patriots. So we'll see out of that group, which new defensive coordinator. Brandon Staley's back in back in our lives. It's a lot of guys who are. It's going to be interesting. Last year was like the year of the new, this year will be the year of the retread, but in a positive way, I think, because I think all of-

Sal is another one, yeah. Yeah, and I think all those people you named, I think they were really good defensive coordinators when they were defensive coordinators specifically. So I think this is going to be exciting. And the league needs it. You know, the league is seeing this defensive renaissance where defenses are right on pace with what offenses are trying to do. It's not this ripple effect of it takes you.

a couple of years to now adjust to the schematic shifts in the league right now. They're neck and neck right now. And I just think it's interesting because offensive coaches will then have to find another edge. I am going to go with something I learned for our season finale. And that's that Sam Darnold has main character energy. And I just didn't expect it. Now, how that plays out moving forward, I don't know. But he, I feel like, was the player most talked about on this show. Mama. Other than Aaron Rogers, he played. proved you so right and made me apologize and proved me so wrong until he didn't.

And then he was like the worst of all Sam Darnold's when it mattered the most. And now it's spinning it forward. Like you couldn't write it up any better that he's literally displacing my guy, Gino Smith in sort of this one-on-one battle of like, all right, who's really going to be better here? Obviously, it's like a different situation now. But I like the competition that you've made up. But it's much in my head.

And it is a big change for a guy who, yes, he was talked about a lot for his standing in the NFL. But statistically, you know, over the first six years of his careers, he either wasn't playing or was one of the worst players at his position in the league. And I just did not necessarily expect that he would have a part of his career where he truly was one of the main characters of the NFL last season. And I think is going to be this season and certainly wasn't. the off season. So, like, if nothing else, he's, he's conquered. See you next Tuesday. Oh, you know, just so many surprises await us happening in the future and next season. No one expected that to happen. I love it. No, uh, almost no one. No, press is bad. You expected it. Right. I mean, but I don't. Colleen predicted it. I mean, can you really

on Sam Darnold? I have the text. No, I know. But when he, when he played like, two of the worst games by any quarterback in the biggest of spots, can you really like stand up? and be like, that was amazing. I do. Let's look at the full body of work, Greg. He actually, yeah, he copped to it. Mike Silver wrote a good piece on the athletic where he talked about, like, hey, look, I know what the defenses did to me in the last couple weeks.

We were problematic and I am going to try to fix them. Yeah. And that kind of leads me to what I learned in my first year of See You Next Tuesday shows, which is I cannot wait for season two of quarterback Island, you guys. Oh, my God. Because not only did I learn so much about both of you psychologically, as well as our buddy, Steve Weish. But it was like such a fun year to have this type of dialogue where you're not necessarily ranking quarterbacks one after another after another, but talking about like the haves versus the have-nots.

And like between the strong rookie seasons from several of the years draftees, Jaden Daniels, who made it on to the island at the end of the year, Drake May entering. year two as one of the more exciting quarterbacks. And Lee, Bo Nix, who got a such a strong argument made for him for the island by our friend, Steve Weish, did not make it on, but really could at some point early next season. And then maybe Caleb Williams also finally gets his feet under him, the year two quarterbacks. Oh, I want you to read Colleen's screen. I'm reading her screen right now. It says, quarterback island, I learned that quarterback island is confusing and can only exist in the Bermuda Triangle.

It's true. It is true. And we had certain people try to cheat last year as well. We won't get into that. But I love the dynamics that we're getting into. Like I think we're in like this golden era of quarterbacking. Really. I think that we're seeing so many ways to do this. So many ways to do this job at such an elite level, at such an exciting level, despite the fact that passing is down across the league right now, it's so much fun because you have this like dichotomy of these second year players that are coming in that are very, very, very exciting. Mike Panix. I've talked a lot about him as well. And then you have like the old guard, the guy, a guy like Aaron Rogers, who we have talked about almost every week on this show, who is trying to go out on a positive note. You also have like old badasses like Matthew Stafford, like Gino Smith, who one of whom Gino is on a new team and trying to really leave his mark there. And Matthew Stafford, who's trying to go out, you know, on a Hall of Fame note. And I just think this is going to be such a fascinating year of quarterback play. Cam Ward coming in. it's just going to be really, really fun

and I learned that as chaotic as this show can be, and as some people betray me to my core with their cheating. You know, it's... What cheating was there? So much... I don't remember this. I don't remember any... Two words, ripcord.

Ripcord. I mean, the rules are all very complicated. They're nebula. Like, no one even remember the rules in the moment. We will have to clarify yet. So if you missed the Ubi Island, It is the exercise where, yeah, we keep the very best quarterbacks in the league on the island. Who defines the position? Started out at 12.

We reduced the number at some point. I don't remember how much too. And that was one of my takeaways, too. I guess how could it not be QB Island? Was that a quarterback can be unworthy of QB Island and you can win a championship with him, which is really, and I don't think. Uh-huh. I actually don't think that those things can, that they are necessarily at odds. It's just been a while, so we feel uncomfortable with that.

But I don't think over the course of the regular season, which is the last time we had done Quarterback Island, that Jalen Hertz deserved to be on there. And if we go through historically, it used to happen more often. So I went through this century. You did? Oh, good. In a fictional world where we were doing quarterback Island back then, I found seven or eight guys who won the Super Bowl that wouldn't have been on quarterback

Island their season. Nick Foles, of course, wouldn't. Doesn't mean you're not playing great when you win the Super Bowl because Jalen Hurts played his best. At the very least, he's on a dingy next to the island. He played his best. If he had played like that all season, like he was there. Peyton Manning in 2015 wouldn't have been anywhere close.

Joe Flacco, again, absolutely incredible in the playoffs, but he would not have been on quarterback. I mean, Eli Manning had a really bad 07 before that run that he had. He was kind of incredible in 11. I'll give him that. And then, what, Brad Johnson in 2002, whatever, the Ravens were thrown out there, Trent Dilfer by the end in 2000. So it happens.

And that's my way of defending Jalen Hertz not being on quarterback island. It's almost like quarterback island as opposed to the typical rankings so often released is a much more nuanced and valuable vessel by which to discuss the absolute range of not only quarterbacks, but the teams around them in a way that does not limit them into one thing or another or a box with a number next to it, but instead, an island party. An island. Yeah. That said, if he had been playing where he would have like earned, oh, for sure. A box like six by most metric. Like, he would have been on the island three years before when they made the Super Bowl. Yeah. I do feel bad about that. I mean, he's, he's a shoe. He's a shoe in

for our first vote, honestly, for this next season. That's true. He will be on it. All right. I mean, I'll tell everyone on the island. Someone's going to be off. Sometimes a quarterback can be, you know, a facilitator, a product of the people around him, like lean on them. The running game. Are you saying he's a system quarterback? I mean, I'm saying they built well around him.

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I was told it's not the rip cord. It's the rip tied. Yes. But you call. called it the ripcord when you pulled the most diabolical of all moves to get Gino on the island. We'll get everyone on the same page for season two. I think a little bit of mystery is good. A little bit of misunderstanding.

Yeah. It's good podcast. That seems like chaos a bit. I love chaos. Let's talk what else we learned. Okay. I learned that I was wrong about the cults again. I'll just throw out a couple quick ones that Liam Cohen can sing.

we like we like that that there's no tapping out in football Anthony Richardson can't do that that the Eagles don't have a passing game problem that's that was solved Jordan they were like 14th in DVOA in the regular

Jordan I learned that you're a gamer right didn't you talk about some video game one episode no what wasn't it like all right it's like soft learning here it was settlers of

10. A board game. Sellers of cat. She's a gamer, everybody. Yeah, old school, you know, I had no idea it was a board game. Okay, scratch that one. Weirdly, that actually makes you seem way cooler that you didn't know what sellers of containers. I don't know. Yeah, and we're still learning. Yeah, right. I learned something about you this year, Colleen. I learned that by any means necessary, if I have the opportunity to tee you up to roast the New York Giants, I have to have to.

to take set opportunities. So, Colleen, while I have you, do you have any comments about the New York Giants? Well, I actually learned that the Giants fans need a lot of self-care. And whether that's like going to Belmar, the beach, or Asbury Park, just there's been a lot of Ls that Giants fans have taken this year. And I'm worried about you guys. Honestly, like I want the best for you. Um, uh, you know, Sequin Barclay, the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, uh, Daniel Jones getting cut despite that large like guaranteed contract just so many things so maybe take a book no oh you could take a book out of the eagles library and maybe read a little inner excellence see where that takes you not not the giants fan strengths no reading oh okay i didn't say that too far Greg how dare you I mean come on

these are people um also I learned that Jordan tries to suppress her dark side but it's way more fun when she embraces it. I love it. And she's got a lot of problems with your tumbler over there. That thermos. Can you tell you, I hate it so. It's just, okay, so Greg, we've been on a journey.

He has a, he has a new, he has a new tumbler today. Yes. We've been on a journey because they're off screen, off camera, behind the screen that we're looking at right now. there is a large Stanley. Should I go get it? Right? There's a large Stanley.

It's a great. Yeah. Because this is fascinating stuff. It's, yeah. Well, you're just mad because you, you've been noticed

doing all of these things, right? So it is, it's massive. It's a great, it's a great Stanley. Now, I will say it has not been washed. It also had a lid.

That's not true. I've watched it in the sink there. They have a little soap in the, it had a lid with a straw. But Greg, removed the lid with the straw because he felt that sipping out of a straw was infantilizing. So then now it's been this open container just sitting here that he leaves in the studio. And it drives me absolutely insane.

It is, it drives me nuts. So it's the fourth member of RCU next Tuesday through. It's just this thing that sits here with no cover. It's open. And it just sits here in the studio. And it's just like, it's not, I mean, if you look at it, it's got a lot of problems. It is not clean. Right.

But why would that be interesting to the listener? Because Colleen brought it up is something she learned about you. Yeah. Are you saying? Actually, something I learned about both of you today. I mean, you're taking shots at what was a gift from my wife that those. It is a great gift. Don't look at me.

Stanley is awesome. Your treatment of the Stanley is what I have. What are we going to do with it? Leave it in a glass case or something? What are you supposed to? it's it's you're supposed to take care of it i wash it they have they have the little where's the lid soap thing is that look clean to you get rid of the that's you know that's questionable top it will not be used anymore though because jordan has has replaced it which is controversial but this is a beautiful it doesn't

have okay i looked for i looked for one without a sippy straw gregg because you went on a whole rant about how infanticizing the sippy straw was it's so good i can't wait to use it does it does there is something about yes sucking out of a big straws well we wow what It just seems like It's like what babies do. Right. Infant. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the root word. Anyway, run game has been revitalized. Yes. The revitalization of run games in top offenses across the league and how offenses all over not only are running the ball more, but they're doing it more successfully. And they're using it as an emphasis to develop more chunk plays. And we just haven't seen it at the rate that they did it last year in a while.

Yeah. I love this. I had something on this, too, about. what we learned. We learned something about where scheme is going every year. And that's what's so fun about the NFL is it changes faster than ever. And this year and last year as well, it certainly did. I think we learned right now exactly where we are in terms of the constant cyclical nature of the league. It's almost like if you were just going to draw a giant circular timeline and have these little flashpoints on around it, like a clock, where we're at right now is passing

is down, the revitalization of the run game, like you said, Colleen. And, the shift toward larger personnel, particularly on the interior of the offensive lines, and a more diverse running scheme than ever. And so what I think, NFL teams, which are led largely by offensive-minded coaches and helmed by better quarterback play than we've seen in decades, if ever, in the NFL, I think that they're not going to be able to take this. They're not going to be able to bear it that passing is down. And I think that you're going to want to see them, want to keep the physicality that they've established with the run game,

which will lead to another point in the cycle that we have seen return over and over, which is the resurgence of multiple tight ends. You saw how teams drafted this year, bringing in one or two or adding a dynamic past catching tight end to their roster, especially as early as some of these tight ends and like Joker tight ends went in the draft this year. I think you're going to start to see that so you can keep the physicality of the run game, heavier personnel sets. Again, this all has happened before, but we're at this point now where you're going to see more tight ends, more tight end usage, more 12 personnel, but hybrid like 11 and a half, where you could see one of those players be a receiver, a power slot. I think you're still

going to see the power slot. And then, of course, defenses react. We started seeing, you know, three safeties being used all over the league. Last year, you mentioned Derwin James earlier, Colleen, started seeing, especially these ascending young coordinators using their safeties in particular close to the line of scrimmage in the box while not sacrificing, you know, the extra players defending the pass. It is, it happens every seven or eight years or so, but I do think that what is so crystal clear

because of the amount of information we have, the amount of film we have access to, and the way that things can move faster than ever, we're able to see like exactly the moment, exactly the flashpoint that we are at in the league right now. Yeah, it's fascinating. That's really well said. And the thing is like,

passing is still extremely efficient compared to almost all historical comparisons. So it's a little overstated because running has made attempts are down. Right. Running has made attempts. Running has made some games in terms of its efficiency. But compared to the history of the league, like passing is still extremely efficient. It's just like a slower sport. So points are down like a little bit. But we're nowhere near where we were like let's say at 2000 or even at like 2008. or to that. It's nothing like that. So I am curious to see if like it does keep cranking up and whether there are there are ways for the defenses to stop and whether running dominates more. I think that

quarterbacks are too good right now to have this not break wide open at some point. Like teams want their quarterbacks to run their offense. They want to pass the ball. Coaches, offensive-minded coaches cannot stand to not pass explosively. Like they have to do it. But I do think, think it's interesting because you're going to see a lot of that. Like when I say we're going back to like the multiple tight end sets, we we certainly can see that trending that way with a lot of these different teams. But I don't think they're going to use, you know, heavy personnel to run the ball or get short yardage gains just, you know, up the middle of the field. I think you're going to see a combination of all of these 11 personnel concepts that have taken the league by storm over the last

almost a decade. And you're going to also see them start to be run through these hybrid players. A lot of them will be tight ends or larger receivers, you're seeing all these trends, the way that Vegas drafted, the way that the bills drafted, the way that, uh, Chicago. Yeah, the way that Chicago drafted, the way that the Packers have been playing a little bit, the way that the rams have been playing. The 49ers were doing this with much heavier personnel years ago. Like, you're going to start to see that. And then of course, defenses now are trying to stay ahead of that curve and draft these like, what about fullbacks? Big safeties. Fullbacks, they're kind of coming back. Not really. It's like, they kind of always are like, right,

they're always hanging on by bread. It's got one now, but yeah, there's a couple of them hanging around. I learned that see you next Tuesday means something different in Australia. We are aware of that. And England. What? You don't want to know. We didn't know that.

Guys tweet me and tell me what it means. Right. We're not going to just change what we do, but now we're aware and maybe we will change it in the future. I don't know. It's not up to us. We're just dumb Americans. You're going to buckle under pressure.

I thought it was just the name of our group chat. Yeah. Because that's what we say when we leave. See you next Tuesday. The studios. What does it mean? It's with an S. C.

Yeah. Colleen, you're up. I learned that Greg doesn't need to sleep after international trips, which sets a terrible precedent for everyone else at the company. Oh, I forgot about that. Oh, my God. Who needs it? What a week that was.

Oh, my God. That was wild, Greg. That sets up something else that I learned to, which is like, I can lean on you guys on these shows. So I thank you very. much for that. Oh, you're welcome. Because even on a normal Tuesday, it was very much, you know, you have the Sunday

show, you got the double header, sometimes I'm doing the Monday night football thing in London and then another. And then this show is like very fast the next morning. And so I just, I just show up and I just like, let you guys, you guys carry the way. So, you know, it's very, it's like Jail. I'm like in that case, it's like a bad Jalen Hertz game. And you guys are the offensive line. Thanks for putting in.

and AJ Brown and you guys are just carrying me on that note though I will say one thing I've learned from the both of you is like the discipline and infrastructure of preparation of work of being I mean you guys should see you've seen him Greg but the listeners you need to see Colleen's notes at some because there are pages I mean the preparation I I I love well I love being around people who work so hard. Like, I love that. And I know this is I'm being overly earnest, whatever. But, like, I have learned that from you.

I've learned courage from you. And I've learned discipline and, like, how to push and innovate from you. And I just, that's something that's been so cool for me this year. It's just getting to be around you guys every week. Oh, Jordan. That's so sweet. You're too nice. And now I think we've reached the part of the show.

It made Greg feel really. I have to be grateful. I always learn new words. from Jordan. And I'm always like, ooh, I want that one. I got to work that one into the lexicon. That's a cool word. Like, what's that one? So, yeah, it's been a real learning experience. It has been amazing. And, and, um, this, this, uh, little tumbler that I put water in, what do you call it? I don't know. It's a bottle. It's symbolic. And it came with a card. Cards, cards were a big part of the year because we learned from our listeners, um, that. That was one of my

favorite episode. Everyone deserves a Christmas card. Oh my God. Everyone deserves a Christmas card. So if you want to start sending your holiday cards to Colleen Wolf Care of NFL Network in England early, you know, you can start sending them now. But that was very nice. Yeah. And Jordan, Jordan gave a card here. Oh, with the Tumblr. With the Tumblr. So just to be clear to the listener, I know we joked about the tumbler, the tumbler, the grossness of the old one, the way that it was treated. It's a great gift. But the great, the mistreatment of it bothered me. So we have one without a straw and with a lid. And it was a part of a thank you gift to Greg. Okay. And you guys suggested to read this on air.

Actually, I want to be clear. I don't remember, quite remember what I wrote in it. So I don't know. You said at the risk of being earnest. But no, this, this, this Tuesday has been a beautiful oasis of great vibes and picks me up and has been really fun. And we're going to do it again. And there's, there is no, we're going to run it back. There is no cliffhanger here.

Jordan, you're going to be back. And Colleen, I'll be back. You're not going anywhere. So we'll get to do this all again. There really is no dramatic cliffing. See you next Tuesday. Like season two. Oh.

Are you sure you want me to read this? I don't know. Let me read it first to make sure. Oh. I'm sure it's great. Oh, yeah, you could read this. Okay. Yeah.

Thank you for making me. Oh, it's really more about me. I thought it was going to be better. It's a thank you card. Thank you for making me smarter, a harder worker, better thinker, a person who thinks about a collaborative partnership, a better friend, less fearful, and for changing my life twice this year. Oh.

Your only flaws in my mind are your baker disdain and your water bottle situation. Luckily, I can fix one of these issues. Cheers to the future, Jordan. Oh, what a season one this was. What? Look at his eyes. Are you crying? I'm not crying.

He's not even close to crying. He's thinking about how... He doesn't have a hard. He's thinking about how hard I'm going to come after him on the baker stuff. I... It definitely made me feel a little emotional. You felt something. I feel things all the time.

He's like, what would one do if you were to cry? It's always happening. I just need to be like watching something. Have you guys watched the pit yet? I feel like I'm watching the pit. I am at a permanent state of like there are just kind of tears sitting there. And then every 15 minutes or so because it's like life and death all the time. Did Greg tell you what one of the things he learned about me this year is that I schedule my cries.

What? Like I get a, I do a real good reset cry. Like I'll read something, a book that's like really, really sad or I'll watch. I do a reset. It's like I schedule it. It's on the calendar. Girl, I don't need to schedule my cries. They just come naturally.

Get another topic we address. at our company, CJ Consulting. Yeah, look forward to season two. Can't wait. Colleen cries. We're emotionally stable. And it's not just because of what's going to happen to the Eagles next season. We will be back.

This is not our last episode before we go to that series that I'm excited about. By the way, we have some exciting guests for the series. Kevin Harlan's going to be on. Mina Kimes is going to be on, Brian Baldinger. So that's going to be running starting next week. but we do have one more show to go this week. But this will be the last one. Thanks, guys.

I don't know when we'll be back together. We're back daily July 21st. But the three of us, when will be back together? Who knows? Maybe before a Tuesday. Maybe we'll pull a fast one on everyone. We could do it somewhere else. Thank you, Jordan.

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