NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Senior Bowl Practices Recap, Stafford's Return

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

On this episode of NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal, the Saints Block Party — Adam West & Ryan Hinton — join the show with on-the-ground analysis from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. The trio talks standouts, prospect rankings, draft predictions for this NFL draft class, as well as potential fits for Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford in 2025. Later, Gregg explains the latest reports on the allegations surrounding Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to NFL Daily, where the draft is starting in Mobile. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage, and I'm joined by my two friends, Adam West and Ryan Wolf of the Saints Block Party podcast, our senior bowl correspondents out there in Alabama. Welcome. What is happening? Adam and Ryan, sharing a mic here.

I hope this isn't awkward for you guys, but you look great. You got the merch. You look relaxed. You've been boots on the ground here for a couple days in Mobile. We have. It's been a very fun, exciting, a little tiring, very busy, what, three days since we've been at it. I got, you know, it came in. But before we even talk about the senior bowl, I just want, I want to just kind of take it in.

I want to just give you love, Greg, and, and because first, you know, you've been doing NFL daily, you know, you're doing your, your shows with Patrick Claibon, you're doing your shows with Steve Weish, you have them on, you have me and Ryan on, we have Donne, I want to be Donne some love, um, who's helped us, um, and he's part of our Saints Blockbite podcast community. And being at the senior bowl, being at these events, being in the stands, being at the, you know, Ryan was at the presser when Jim Nagy had his opener. there's not a lot of representation because media is still white and still male and that's what it looks like and it's just it's just a juxtaposition to me because it's like the country

the president's like oh let's get away let's get rid of the i's and and being in the stands and just seeing how football is covered um i just want to give some love to you for just being real and being authentic and being just being who you are of of you know not just opportunity but you recognize real and we we appreciate that Greg I recognize bald knowers that's what I recognize and people that can make me make me laugh and people that are there I wish I wish we had the money that we'd be sending you guys out to be our correspondence but I'm calling you that you guys are out there on your own dime of course supporting your podcast and everyone should check that out Saints Block Party podcast. They got a lot of good interviews this week on their Patreon

and boots on the ground. It's cool. And yeah, it's a good call with the draft community, especially, even amongst the NFL media community is particularly one note. So I've never been down there before. Ryan, you live there. First of all, like, what I didn't really think about so I was just introducing you, but Adam West and Ryan Wolf, you guys got some like, Broadcast superhero type names here right now. You know, like that you guys should be in front of the camera with Adam West and Ryan Wolf. You just named to be Ryan Wolf. So I'm just rolling.

I'm not even. I didn't actually think that's your name. But then I saw that's what you went by a boot that blue sky. That boy Wolf. I was like, damn, I didn't know his actual name was Ryan Wolf. It's not. It's not. It's not.

I'm just going to roll with it. That's the name. The way you said makes it sound. Ryan Wolf. Not related to Dick Wolf, but I love. What's it been like this week? Let's get into the players because the thing that stands out to me the most just from watching your guys covered is how convinced Adam is that Jackson Dart, the Ole Miss quarterback, who I happen to talk a decent amount with Nate Tice. And we'll stick to some of the big names, some of the top 50 players that are there in Mobile.

But quarterback's always interesting. Your team needs a quarterback long term, of course, despite, you know, the presence. of Spencer Rattler, but thinking big picture, I'm amazed how convinced Adam is, who I know has good contacts throughout the league, that this guy is going top 10, top 15. Like, nobody's saying that yet. Why are you so confident?

I'll say at least top 15. I just, there's just, there's, there's buzz that he will potentially may have a bone-nicks type of bump where there's, is just going to be a team that falls, falls in love with him as a prospect. And Greg, we know how it is in the draft when there's teams when it comes to this quarterback thirst. We see it oftentimes again.

What's going to be interesting is, is there going to be that restraint that we saw in 2022 in a down quarterback draft when you had the Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis draft? And we don't see the thirst come to fruition. Or is there going to be a team that the Steelers, the Rams and we don't know what's going on with Matthew Stafford. Is there going to be a team that's going to feel like they can squint?

And I'll just ask you this. Let's go back to last year around the same time last year. Was anyone talking about Bo Nicks going at 10th in the draft? No, and at this time of year, he was getting knocked a little bit for not having the best senior bowl week, which I think informed a lot of the cover. afterwards, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen with everyone. Ryan, what did you see out of Jackson Dart this week? Let's start there on the field.

I mean, he looked good. That's the thing about him. He looks the part if you just watch him, you know, move around, just the command of the offense and all that stuff. He looks the part, you know, as a personally, I just, it would definitely be an overdraft, like for him to go into top five, top 15 or just. top 10. But, you know, like Adam just saying, you could have made that argument about Bullnicks last year, but I still, I struggle to see it with Dart, but I do see the

tools. The tools are there. And you can see the tools that would entice an NFL team that's thirsty for a quarterback. Because we've got a, there's like a lot of teams that really need quarterbacks. Why? Just because he's like, he's just big and athletic and handsome, that's basically it? And he has a good arm. It's not. it was funny during the senior bowl week, you know, the first two practices, he wasn't really uncorking it. I was like, man, where is this arm, you know,

that I'm supposedly here about today when they had, like, the team drills, going against the defense, you saw him let it loose a little more and, you know, drive the ball a little more. Not that he had, like, a huge Matthew Stafford type arm and that like that, but he has, you know, a decent, nice arm.

So I just think maybe the quarterback thirst meets the tools and he could get boosted up. But me personally, I'm not feeling. But if that's what they, if you're hearing that now and everybody's buzzing about them, it always starts with that little buzz. And then come April, it's like, okay, of course he, of course he went top 15, you know. Just saying, I'm just putting it out there. Okay.

Well, then you better be right. You know, you're going strong on this. You're talking about like he might go at nine to the Saints that you're feeling top 50. No, no, I didn't say. I would just put it. I would just want to just gauge the pulse of how Saints fans would feel. I didn't say he was going high to the state. You put it out there.

I saw what you did. Don't try to gaslight me. I wasn't. He was 43rd on Dana Jeremiah's top 50 prospects. So that caught my attention because I don't even think he's that high on other people's. And that's Dana Jeremiah's opinion. And it's not his mock draft. But the fact that he from that sort of respected events,

evaluator that he's going to get that high, then he's got a chance to be QB3, and then some of the push for the quarterbacks could happen. I would push back and say, Cam Ward going top 15, and Shadurr Sanders going top 15, that's the push, because if they were in last year's draft, those guys might be behind Bo Nicks, or right around them. They might be about QB6, QB5, QB6. I think they would definitely would have been. behind Pennix and in Pennix was QB4 so so to me those guys going relatively early there I think there is a point where you got to have the talent and and we'll see like he's an intriguing guy it feels like he maybe has a strong like agent going on like some strong buzz

has just just happened with this dude from the cornerbacks that you saw there this week Riley Leonard was there and it's it's because I'm a big Nate Tice fan and I remember listened to him talk about him a lot last year like he's a much bigger Riley Leonard fan than I think America is and Leonard had it yeah had an up and down season at Notre Dame which probably did not help his his status is there anyone that stuck out to you at quarterback other than than Jackson Dart who yeah like I was listening to move the sticks people should check out our our podcast on on NFL media. move the six who's been doing daily recaps and they i can read between the lines they weren't

that impressed with dart the first couple of days kind of like you and and it sounds like today from the network coverage they were more impressed was there anyone else at quarterback that you like there this week i i would say coming into the senior ball i wasn't expecting a whole bunch from dylan gabriel uh the organ quarterback and i think he just impressed me just in terms of just his accuracy, and he has probably a little more umph on his, on his throwing that I than anticipated. And everyone, everyone likes to just make the lazy, like, oh, he'd be a perfect, like, backup quarterback for Tua in Miami. And then if he gets hurt, like, there's not like a drop-off in the offense, even before the senior bowl, but then I watched it, I was like,

dang, that would be perfect for the Dolphins. If you go to the Dolphin season, every time Tua gets hurt like they don't have an adequate backup situation they have to completely change their offense to his left-handed and like you can make a lot of like Dylan Gabriel would make perfect sense for them like in the fourth round or in the fifth round because he's left-handed and he and anyway but he he's been like impressive um and what he's able to what's shown here in mobile Ryan do you feel like a scout now do you have you I hope you don't have any like imposter syndrome because this is a home game I've listened to your podcast.

You know, you're from, you're living in Mobile. You're not from Mobile, but you live nearby. And so it's a home game. Like, how is it putting on that scouting cap? And what have you seen? It feels natural for me, man. I love it. You know, Jail and Morrow, he was kind of the guy to look for coming into this week.

He started out this practice week kind of rough. I can't lie. like just as far as accuracy, you know, fumbling the ball, interceptions and stuff like that. I thought he had a really solid day to day when they had the team practices also kind of like DART. Impressive kid, like I was there for his initial presser, just like an impressive kid that will probably win some GMs or coach is over in the meeting room. Obviously, dripping with talent, athletic, fast, he can give you the second reaction plays. It's not like he has a week on. He has a good arm.

And when you watch the tape, he does throw accurately at times. But it's just like you, he's similar to Jailen Hertz was when he came out, where it's like I'm going to have to kind of build him into a passer and use his legs and use his playmaking ability to build him along. It's just one of those guys where he just kind of hoped that he probably got another year. But it doesn't matter now. He's coming into the NFL. So like, let him.

let him get let him get his reps in the NFL you know and maybe he'll improve there so it's going to be right see how his process goes along just a quick and just a little quick thing I found it very interesting that both Mike Tomlin was here with Arthur Smith his OC very like just just a little note they were together together just a little interesting note I took by being here right and Milrose a guy who if you're putting them into different buckets of types of quarterbacks, strengths, weaknesses. You mentioned Hertz. Justin Fields might be another one where some of those strengths, some of the weaknesses. And to me, he has potential to be a special runner like Fields. He already is not at that. Right. So that's such a great

floor to start from. And to me, he seems like a much more likely QB3. If you're telling me, someone's going to get pushed up the board a little bit. He makes more sense to me. And Hertz is a really interesting comparison because I'll always remember Jeremiah at the last second with his top 50 prospects right before the draft, finally putting Hertz. And he just said there's too many people around the NFL that have told me he's just a special person in terms of what a leader and a worker he is, that I'm going to just bet on him and see what happens and put him in there.

And it's funny, that's, it's right about where he went in the draft. He didn't go first round, but he did go top 50. And now here he is in his second Super Bowl. No one's putting him as a top five quarterback. We didn't put him on QB Island. We might have to have a revote if he wins a Super Bowl. But he is coming off his best game of the season. I got to say about Hertz.

This is a little bit of a sidetrack, but no. I just finished the film from last week. And I went through it. I went through my notes. I went through like the PFF score and stuff. And I was like, that was his best game of the season. And then I was thinking like two years ago was the best game of his career and it was the Super Bowl. I mean, if this is any other sport, we would call that a big game player.

Now, it's a little inconsistent because not all of his playoff games have been magic. In fact, he's had some just okay ones, including this year. But it's pretty cool that the best game of his career is in the Super Bowl. The best game of his season is in the NFC championship. that's kind of what you want that's what you want out of your leader right I know he's not like Patrick Mahomes but that's kind of what you want

it makes me afraid to pick against him and he was drafted in the second round and he was considered like a quote unquote project quarterback like that's that's true quarterback development remember they were like we can use them as a Tisome Hill maybe

or it's like and here we are in the Super Bowl for the second time all right you got to make sure Adam's not just hogging that mic let's move let's move to the tight end position. I'm just saying you got to, it's like tilted towards you. I see what you're doing. Adam's kind of the host between you two and he's trying to get preferential sound treatment here. The tight ends. The tight ends in Mobile looked like they were awesome from afar.

It's a really good tight end class. I keep referring to DJ because I got to have some foundation to build my rankings from. And he's got two tight ends in his top 10 overall players, which is wild, their top 15 overall players. And Tyler Warren is one of them. And they weren't in Mobile, but he had two others that were in Mobile. Mason Taylor, the son of Jason Taylor, and Elijah Arroyo, who had a bunch of great-looking catches from my eyes this week, just from the TV copy.

Ryan, give me your impressions on which of those two you like better, or what stood out with those two? The thing about Arroyo is just the way he moves, man. Like you watch him quickly, you're going to see it. It's like, okay, this guy is six, four and a half, you know, 200 and whatever pounds, 260 pounds moving like this. Come on. Like this, this, you can easily see him being special in the offense.

Now, we know how tight ends work. You know, you could be as special as you want to be an effective tight end. You have to do a lot of the dirty work. You got to be able to, you know, somewhat block. You got to be able to do things. We'll see how he is in that area, you know. But, I mean, just from a talent standpoint in a, you know, red zone going up, but he had a red zone catch the day where he went up and attacked the ball.

Just look just like Jimmy Graham, man. Like, it just reminded me of Jimmy Graham from back in the day. So, like, just awesome. I know Ty Warren, he wasn't at the senior bowl, but he's like, you know, mostly the titan one for most people. Adam got us thinking like, man, is Royal better than Ty Warren? You know, that's just going to be one of the base. But there's so many tight ends of this class, though.

I mean, you've got Harold Fanning. He's out of, where's he got a bowling green? Out of Bowling Green. He's super talented. Didn't shine that much this week at Senior Bowl, but, you know, his tape speaks for itself. He's really athletic. And for Mason Taylor, I think this tight-in class and running back class is very much like ice cream is just like what is your flavor and with erroyo you get so like with mason

taylor it's like he he's more of a what's it like a more complete tight in in terms of someone that maybe you can play him more more in line he's going to be more of a factor in the run game um but still fluid maybe not as fluid and then someone a friend of mine made a great comparison i think for mason taylor like as a pro um green bay packers uh luke musgrave as a pro comparison i felt like that very apt and i feel like mason taylor is going to be a better pro player than he was in college um we actually actually got to have a quick interview with him um and he very so very but this running backs and tight ends are just going to it's just what do you want out of out of your players really what it's going to boil down to um for both those positions

in this draft class that's an interesting comp you know from i got a I got to get in on the tape on these guys. I'm looking forward to watching it. Musgrave. I never was. I don't know if he was as natural. He definitely has the speed. I think just being Jason Taylor's son is going to get him pushed up.

People just want to. And there is something to that. Yeah. Quick thing to his Jason Taylor. Or sorry, Mason Taylor's mom is Zach Thomas's former Texas Tech linebacker's sister. Right. Right.

I remember that back in the day when they were playing. Yeah, it was a whole family. He's like born to be an NFL player. I see it at the NFL. I think about this all the time. People are just like, all these athlete sons, you know, they have the genes. And that's why they become great players. And it's like, yeah, that helps, of course.

But a lot of people have good genes. A lot of people are athletic. What they have is a freaking personal NFL coach in their house with them. 24-7 who's coaching them up from the time they're three years old through this whole process. Jason Taylor is literally there. You can't even imagine how valuable that is because I see how crazy they're not here the whole week. Right.

Like I see how serious they are about their NFL flag leagues and that continues up to their when they start playing tackle to their high school. And as long as the kids love it and a lot of their kids don't. Like a lot of them, it's like one out of three of the kids. don't it you know it's one out of three loves it or whatever but the one that does it's like they've they've got this free coach who knows everything and knows how to train and it's going to help you all along the way and then oh by the way they also have basically unlimited resources to get you on the best teams and get more coaches and get more help it's like that's why they're

all making the league uh it's not just the genes it's and i don't of course you don't blame them like why wouldn't why wouldn't you do that to help your son uh aroyo being uh that high potentially going up to T-U-1 is really interesting. He does seem like there's always like a pass catcher at the Senior Bowl, who I think helps themselves a lot. McCongy was maybe one. And maybe it was a royo this week because, for instance, he was at the bottom of the top 50 for DJ.

He had Taylor 35. And like I said, he had two tight ends in the top 10, I believe, way ahead of him. So maybe that's someone that's going to be jumping up boards. Was there anyone at wide receiver? I'll start with you, Adam, that you like this week. Now, in general, just for the listeners, if you're kind of just getting up to speed on this class, not great at quarterback overall,

really strong at tight end and running back, not believed to be as deep or as top heavy as the recent wide receivers class, which has been just kind of crazy. And the senior bowl reflected that it sounds like, too. There's two players. There's Tess Johnson, at Oregon who our receiver

he's going to I'm fascinated fascinated to know where he's going to go he's he's very very small in stature I think he's like a 150 pounds 156 pounds very diminutive in size but his movement skills

and the way he wins reminds me a little bit of Devante Smith from the Eagles he's not as tall as Devante Smith from the Eagles but just how he wins He was almost unguarable here just in terms of, you know, no one could cover him. And if two to, too, he's strong like Devante Smith? No.

No, okay. No, he's not. That's the one thing that surprised you about the Slim Reaper. Like, they'll hit him with a kill shot and he bounces right back. He always, like, he embodies people for 175 pounds or whatever he is. But, you know, Ted Johnson, excuse me, did play for Oregon, who was the number one, you know, team largely throughout the season. and was like one of their best weapons and teams knew going in that they needed to stop Tess Johnson and a lot of teams didn't have answers for him. So he very much made himself, made him out well here in Mobile and Iowa State receiver Jaden Higgins, tall, 6'4.

I compare him a little bit to that of like the Keon Coleman type, the, you know, win contested balls, maybe not the best in terms of maybe struggles a little bit. bit with separation um in terms of like from cornerbacks but it maybe doesn't have that won't have that production that you will want from a rookie receiver but also could be that drake london type you know eventually because he has that that that same type of body type and frame um he catches everything he does and has very very nice hands very very soft hands as well oh that that's huge where ryan do you think like these guys would go teth johnson is someone that that it's like one one play scouting Steve Palazola likes to talk about which which is funny but it's sometimes sometimes it works like I just saw one of those plays on the highlights

you know on TV this week and his test Johnson stop and start and even to slow down and then speed up it's insane you when you see it you know and I was like okay that tracks I don't care how small he is like if if two two at well can go in the fourth round and Tank Dell can go in the third, then Tess Johnson can go in the second or something like that. Because that stop and start was crazy. Yeah, we have precedence now because, you know, five years ago, you know, there was an argument about Vante Smith. And he was coming out. It was like, can he hold up in the league?

Now we have a bunch of those guys in the league. And just the way the offenses are now and the way defenses are called. I think somebody like Tess could survive. How, you know, can he catch 90 balls a year? I don't know. Rondell Moore recently, too. Yeah, yeah, him too. So I think he would definitely be that, like, second to third round tier since he's not a, not only is he slim, but he's not tall either.

So I think he would kind of fall into that kind of mid-round, day two, sweet, sweet spot where people, you know, you know, somebody would take a chance. But, you know, I mean, people like Andy Reid, people like, yeah, they, you know, they fight a guy, they see, have a specific vision for a guy, they'll go get him. They don't care. Yeah, and they and they should. Like, those guys are valuable. You can't tell them, like, I know it took a minute for even Khalil Shakir, who is a different type of player, but for him to get going, but you can't tell me he's not more valuable than a whole lot of second

and third round picks that there have been over the year. So players like that, I, that's a great little comparison, like in how they both win. That's a good one. Yeah. But Tedz pops a little more even, at least to me, it pops even more in terms of just pure Xavier worthy type once we figure him out that speed is going to be a major problem because Xavier worthy suddenly went for I'll be talking about it next week in New Orleans but Xavier worthy somehow went from a pretty rocky rookie year to easily the most important

receiver on the potential future Super Bowl champions like he is their wide receiver one I don't care what you say about him like they're kind of building it around him him in Hollywood now and like it's working. He's the man. Let's go to the defensive side. The defensive line for this senior bowl was really deep and for this draft was really deep. Probably the best position in this draft is throughout the defensive line. And there were a lot of good players at the senior bowl just to name a few Mike Green, Shamar Stewart, Walter Nolan, all top 30 players according to Daniel, Jeremiah. Who stood out to you the most, Ryan, that? that you liked off the defensive line,

and then maybe Adam, you jump in and can give me another one that you liked. Samar Stewart, he stood out. He's been getting a lot of pub. I mean, he did so well this week. He just said, look, I'm not playing in the game. I'm out of here, peace. Like, him and his agent got up out of here.

Mike Green did the same thing. He had a great week. Well, it was funny. The first day, the defensive lines were not performing well. Like, none of the age players were playing well. Defensive tackle. Like, they were just getting home by the offense. So the next day, day two, all the D-Lyman came in just on fire,

just lighting it up, you know, at the practices on the 101s. You know, there's a clip going around, Mike Green blowing up the offensive guard. And it was, you know, so I think those two players, Mike Green and Shamar, like both stood out, Shamar out of Texas A&M, Mike Green out of Marshall. He was a big week for him because he's a small school guy. If you go watch clips of him online, if you can find him, he's just dominating. He's just like a bull in the China shop, just going crazy against small school players. So everybody wanted to see how would he perform against, you know, bigger name, bigger,

bigger talented, offensive linemen. And he did good. He did good. So, you know, his week is pretty much over. But other than that, they were, you know, it was kind of hard to really see who really was shining in, you know, as defensive linemen because, you know, they get on those one-on-ones and you're letting them go for like two minutes and it's like yeah of course the defensive

lineman is winning right now the ball will be gone like five minutes ago so it's like what do we really learn and the best you can do is go watch the tape and try to figure out how it's it's funny to me because I feel like maybe I this is why the draft is such a beauty of the eye

of the beholder a lot of people here let like feel like Mike Green had like a great week and like I feel like his week was like okay like at best um i didn't feel like i didn't feel like he had a great day one he got besides like maybe a play he got very man handled a lot um day one because he is he's 250 and like he's a very smaller edge rusher um and then yesterday he had a a better day and then he had that viral clip and then literally he like dipped out and i felt like his age it was like we've done

enough um i do think my my greens you know is going to be a first rounder i and help me out here but i feel like walter nolan has had a good week too and i feel like he's going to have a type of rise that um defensive tackle from the tech from tex that went to the sea hawks who his name i'm blinking on byron murphy yeah i think he's gonna that that's my style of guy everything i see and hear about walter nolan i'm like okay he i like that he's very byron murphyish we got to talk we had you know he was at the podium we got to ask him a couple of questions in terms of just his natural playing position. And I just feel like he's had a good week here.

And I feel like he's Byron Murphy-esque type of player. And I feel like that's like that's his range is where he probably is going to end up going in the draft as well. That high. One thing I like about, I liked about his interview, the questions we ask. He was getting real detailed about the positions he liked to play on a defensive line. And just, you know, from three point to one point and all the little different intricacies in between. I just like that he talked about this stuff because some of these guys, they're just like, oh, just put me out there and I'm going to go get the quarterback or whatever.

Yeah. But he was real intricate with it. So that's going to be interesting. But he's a good player. Like, if you watch him on TV, you can see that he's just going to be a good player. Everyone needs one, man. You look at the teams that are still left. You got Chris Jones on one team.

You got Ed Oliver coming off a really good playoff. run for the bills. You got Jayless Carter. When I saw Chris Jones crying for the national anthem, I'm like, it's over. It's over. It's over. You got Carter. You got Carter for the Eagles, who might be the best defensive player in the playoffs.

And then even the commanders, like Jerry Newton was making some plays for them. And Jonathan Allen came back and he was looking good. Like, you need one of those guys. And yeah, Nolan is 26 right now on DJ's board. And that could go up. Mike Green is 23rd. Shamar Stewart, who to me reminds me of one of those defense alignment you want on your team that's probably better as your second defensive like N,

but that you need above average starters who are really athletic. And even if he doesn't finish plays all the time, like he's a guy. People will be excited to work with. Josh Sweat is a guy. Like a Saints defensive end of thing. Okay. You threw it out there.

I don't need to go over the offensive line starters or whatever. Let's talk a little saints. Nothing up for this draft stuff. No, no, no. Well, you know, we talked about great. Yeah, we're good. That guy's name, Gray, Gray's a buoy. What is the North Dakota State offensive linemen?

He seems like he's the guy that stood out the most. It actually reminds me a little of Quinn Miners, who I thought was just like a media gimmick because of his big belly. at the Senior Bowl a few years ago. Everyone just, like, telling this story. And he's literally the first team all pro this year. Maybe the best guard in the league is crazy. And he's been a rock here, like a rock.

And I don't know where he was even slotted to go. We're both draft sickos, but like, I'm not so much of a draft sickle to know where he was slotted to go. DJ had him in his top 50, barely. And again, his name is Gray Zabel from North Dakota State. and he can he can probably play center or guard at the next level like he's played all three positions but that he'll probably play inside as a pro at least according to DJ yeah i would just i'll say this and we got some pretty good pretty good footage of the one-on-ones there weren't many

101 one-on-one one-on-one with the defensive line that he got beaten this and like he's been like he's like a just a rock inside yeah um so he's definitely made money this week and And I think, you know, I'm not, you didn't ask this question, but like, if you were just to ask me, like, the player that made the most money here this weekend, because that's what the senior bowl is all about, right? Just make the money. You're not stock. I would probably give that award to Elijah Royal. Like, I, and I think. Oh, okay.

Just even yesterday at the media day, he had a media, like a media scrum when just walking in, like, walking in, like, he had a scrum of. media people around him. So he's definitely made himself some money. Our dude Dante made a great comparison just in terms of how he moves. As a football player only people. Please, I'm going to preface it by only. He moves like Aaron Hernandez moved as a football player.

Like if you just go and I couldn't just, I couldn't shake it. And that's just how he moves as a football player as a tight end. But for sure, like the biggest person that's made money this weekend for sure has been, I think by far has been Elijah are royal. I mean, that is, it's always a tricky comp to make, you know. I preface it. That's a tricky one to make though on the field, though, because Aaron Hernandez, if you take

out, you know, coming into the draft was a top 20 pick if it wasn't for being Aaron Hernandez because of his talents in the way that he moved. And he, he was rare in terms of who he was as a player you know there's one that pops up every every few years kind of like them uh and they usually get taken in the top 15 or 20 so that that is high praise um let's take actually a quick break and then we're going to come back we're going to talk a little bit about kellen more maybe becoming the the saints coach talk a little matthew stafford and then we're going to get to our weekend and send you into the mobile night uh be back on nifl daily just a second Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Who knows what's going on on their only fans, or, oh, no, Patreon. Great. That's Patreon. I mean, what's the difference, really? Who knows what's going on in these interviews? Uh, you, your boy, uh, Kellyn Moore, it looks like he's going to take this job. And it's so funny, you guys, how you went immediately from being so just like, what is going on with this Saints head coaching search?

And we're kind of sick of Mickey Loomis. No one wants our job. And then the second you just get a little whiff over like a kind of good head coaching candidate who wants to come aboard. You're just like, oh yeah, Kellyn Moore's man. We're all aboard the Kellynmore Express. explain yourself explain yourself it's not Darren Rizzy it's not John Gruden Greg like that's the explanation and I don't I don't think people understand and I understand

how many coaches told Mickey Lemis and the Saints know this know this at coaching search Mike Drable was requested for an interview didn't take an interview they reached out to Ben Johnson for an interview. This never got reported, but I'm reporting it on NFL daily. Ben Johnson never got back to him, said, like, basically, what are you doing calling me? Like, come on. Aaron Glenn. And he has ties to that building.

He was never in that building, but he has ties to. He definitely has ties. Yeah. Aaron Glenn, like, you know, the favorite that was going to take the job. Oh, he doesn't even do an in-person interview. Like, everyone's good, everyone's, like, everyone's little story they add, oh, it was because of the snowstorm.

It wasn't because of the snowstorm. He always wanted the Jets job. Joe Brady. He said it. He literally said that this was the only job I wanted. So you can trust the man. Joe Brady stayed in Buffalo also declined to in-person interview.

And then Cliff Kingsbury didn't even take a virtual interview. That's five coaches that told the saints no. And so as fans and as us for our podcast, we can squint

at some things that Killingmore has done with the Cowboys. I know the Charger Stint was a little rough. We can look at the things he's done with the Eagles. And people be like, oh, he has a great offensive line. He has a con berkeley. At this point, we don't care. Like, we don't care. Because if it wasn't going to be Killingmore,

and again, it's all likely, potentially going to happen. If it potentially isn't going to be Killingmore, it literally was either going to be and the Mike McCarthy thing was funny because they were just they were putting Mike McCarthy on the back burner like he was just like a like with a Super Bowl there I will get to you when we get to you type of thing to the point where he was like no like I'm not wasting my time if it's not it was going to be Darren Rizzie or it was going to be potentially John Grude and yeah you guys you guys are so down on the Riz you know Darren Rizzie I mean Aaron Glenn was happy to have him up there on the podium with him in in New York. So he was excited to have to have Rizzy. Ryan, what are you, what are you feeling about a potential Kellynne Moore era and have you come to terms?

I think this means that Mickey Loomis is keeping, keeping all the power that he's had. At least it seems like it's headed that way. You guys can tell me you're more connected than I am if you, if you think any differently. I mean, it seems like it, but we, you know, we really don't know. It's just been seeming like there's a lot of weird stuff going. on in the in the Saints building he had like multiple GMs on the staff Randy Mueller was back yet Dave Ziegler in there you know he got he's gone Dave said get me out of here I mean Ziegler was a part of coaching interviews and meanwhile he's trying to

become an assistant GM somewhere else it's just a mess it's a mess I'm hoping like Gail or at least like Dan Dennis Lucia team president is like realizing like There's a problem here. You know, so many coaches. I mean, Joe Brady didn't take any. I mean, Joe Brady, one of the most ambitious, you know, young coaches in the league just said, nah, I'm just loving his life. I don't want, I don't want that Mickey Loomis life.

And that's the thing people really missing out on. He thinks it's, oh, it's the salary cap, it's the roster, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's Mickey Loomis. It's a Trent bulky type situation where coaches don't want to work with him, you know. And unfortunately, it doesn't look like. does change ASAP. But maybe, we don't know. Maybe he will move into a different role. Maybe he'll, you know, come to come up some kind of self-realization like, like Woody Johnson is. Like, look, I'm just going to leave my guys alone and let them do that thing. So we'll see.

But Kelly Moore, like, look, man, he's had a couple top, you know, a couple top 10 offenses as far as like, you know, EPA per play or DVOA. You know, he had the terrible charges think, you know, that I'm really interesting. to find out what is his top quarterback because everywhere he's been the quarterback has already been in place. I'm curious to see what is his style. Who does he want? Even if it's in this draft or if it's somebody that's on the team, does he want to keep like a Spencer Radler? I don't see him being a dead car guy, but maybe he is. I hope not, but maybe he is. Well, when you say about the job being a little poisonous in terms of all these guys turning it down and I think about Mickey Loomis I think about his press conference when he's so

steadfast about how Derek Carr is part of the future and we don't know if that's going to be the case but that might be a turnoff for coaches so if this guy's in charge ultimately and he's back in it I don't really believe in this plan because for listeners out there you know curious Carr doesn't have that much guaranteed money right now on his contract I think it's 10 million dollars which teams eat all the time to get rid of but if he's going to be if if they decide by march they're keeping them then then they're guaranteeing them you know another year at that that big number and 40 million dollars and and uh pushes more money into the future and so they haven't made that decision let's wrap with this um matthew stafford is going to play football in 2025

according to our Ian Rappaport at NFL Network. Not a surprise. I was actually surprised it was even a question. He was pretty clear right after the season that I think I'm playing well enough. And the way Ian reported it, he just said something has to happen with the contract for Stafford. And that remains to be seen. Stafford's due $27 million in 2025 based on his mini holdout, which lasted like in literally two hours that everyone forgot in 2024.

Like he's not going to play for that money. So they're going to have to work out a new contract. And this last one just felt kind of papered over and do the Rams want to commit a couple years of guaranteed money to Matthew Stafford? Can they come to a contractual agreement? Or the fact that they're leaving this door open, are they going to let Stafford and his agent maybe look around and see if there's a trade? out there, because if so, first of all, Saints would be kind of interesting, but I don't know if you'd want to go there. Second, second, I actually think he'd be the best quarterback available. I mean, I'd take them over Darnold. I'd certainly take them over Fields. And maybe I'd take him over Cam Ward and

Shador Sanders, because if I'm not that convinced, if I'm a Titans, let's say, and that these guys are really worth the number one overall pick, maybe I'd rather take Abdul Carter and trade like a future second and get Matthew Stafford, you know, and I think that could be an option for a number of teams, Giants, Browns, Raiders. Like, there's a lot of teams out there where Stafford could make some sense. What do you, Ryan, think about? Stafford, I can't imagine the Saints getting in on them, but just like where he would fit in this whole thing. Because I do think there's something there. Maybe I'll have wasted my time talking about it. But I really think they're almost putting it out there for other teams to step in and say, okay, like I think they're

They're doing a little test balloon like your Saints did with John Gruden three weeks ago. Oh, would people be mad if we hired John Gruden? I feel like that's what the Rams are doing right now with Matthew Stafford. Yeah, it does feel like that. I mean, would the Saints go with Matthew Stafford? I mean, I don't think it would be out of the picture. It would be like they have to figure out what they want to do as far as like overall. like overall are we doing like a rebuild thing or are we going to try to you know be in the hunt again for

another year that'll be the question but it's going to be this is the problem with not having your coach by the way not to cut you out continue but like he's going to be the last one to hire all of his coaches other like this if this matthew stafford thing happens it probably will happen before the super bowl because that's when it happened or it's when kirk cousins happen like it's happening right now potentially what is like what did you in matthew stafford's trade that like that's such a fascinating because he has what maybe a year left maybe two at the most like what is his what is his trade value like fair trade value for matthews down no idea but no idea no idea because all it takes is two teams to me if you're the best quarterback on the market for 2025 then you should

have some value now whether that's like a late second or it's like a fourth i don't know i would think it'd be somewhere in that range i don't think you're getting first round picks for matthew Stafford. But for the Rams, it's a little mystifying, honestly, but I think it might be a little bit of the same issue that happened with Jared Gough that I, I don't know. Sean McVeigh is a little like Gruden in this way, where he's always, his eyes are always wandering. He always wants the guy who can, like, run his scheme the perfect way. And when it's Stafford there, it's kind of the Matthew Stafford scheme. It's kind of like, I don't know that much about your boy, Kellynne Moore, because like this Jalen hurt, the Eagles offense is just the Jalen Hertz offense. Doesn't matter

who's a coordinator there, they look the same year after year. Like, it's just what Jalen Hertz likes to do. And it makes sense. You try to help your quarterback out. But I think, I think something could happen here. Keep an eye out. Hmm. Intriguing.

I got, I'd be all for Matthew Stafford for me, be like a, you know, they got a, they got a third from the, the, the Marshawn Lattermore trait from the commanders. What if the Rams say, we'll give you Matthew Stanford. and our 26 pick for your ninth big. Oh. So they can get Jackson Dutt, baby. Stop it. Stop it.

Perfect way to put a bowl. He brought it back around. Love you guys. The Saints Block Party podcast, Ryan and Adam, check them out on Patreon. Not only fans. Check them out on Patreon. Why not both?

And just a regular feed, obviously, wherever you can get your podcast. Thanks, guys. Thank you for being our first ever senior bowl correspondence. Hopefully you guys can do it again next year. Thanks for having us, ma. Appreciate you. All right. I'll see you, guys.

That was Ryan and Adam. As we wrap up one other big item of news today that I did want to get into because it's the biggest NFL story that came across. as we're taping on Thursday. It's about Justin Tucker. It's a story from the Baltimore Banner, a website, where they spoke with six massage therapists who accused Tucker of inappropriate behavior during massage sessions. The incidents allegedly took place between 2016 and 2012. Tucker denies the allegations very strongly.

A league spokesman said they first became aware of the allegations. from a reporter investigating the story as they were previously not shared with the NFL. And what I would say, if you're listening to this and you have an opinion on it or you want to have an opinion or your interest and go read the article because it's free to read. I think it's very thorough, very detailed, very specific reporting with six different massage therapists who spoke directly to the site, did not know each other before. or about each other's stories, and the stories are very similar to each other, and they're very credible because of that. Tucker statement really attacked the Baltimore banner pretty

aggressively, did not directly address a lot of the allegations other than denying it, but I did notice that a lot of it was against the newspaper and their reporting practices, and not specific about the on-the-record allegations that the six massage therapists made against Tucker. So we'll keep an eye on what happens with the Ravens Kicker moving forward. Tough note to end the week on, and this is the end of the NFL Daily Week. For the first time since July, we will not be talking about any weekend football because we were doing Hall of Fame game week. We were doing preseason football, those shows with Nick Shook, and, of course, the entire regular season.

We will be back on Monday. I'm really looking forward to next week. We're going to do some all-pro final voting and some end-of-season honors that Jordan Rodriguez of the Athletic and I are going to start off the week with some awards. And then we're going to be headed to New Orleans. We'll hear from Nick Shook, who will be there at opening night. And I will be there with Jordan and Nick Shook on the ground in New Orleans. And we have an amazing set of people that we are interviewing throughout the course of the week. They're so good that I honestly don't want to tease them because I've been through these Super Bowls enough that you never know.

Some of them change at the last minute. But it is a great lineup of guests that I'm really looking forward to talking to in my favorite city on Earth. The best city in America, New Orleans, Louisiana. Also wanted to remind everyone, both Jordan Rodrigue and myself will be part of a show. Mina Kimes is putting together Monday night, February 3rd at the Belasco Theater downtown in Los Angeles. All the proceeds are going to wildlife relief effort. So it mean a lot if any of you guys can come out to the show. I would love to see you.

We'd love to meet you there. Some really cool guests like Kobe Turner. We're also auctioning off a signed Kobe Turner jersey. There's going to be cool giveaways. If you're friends of Mina or fans of NFL Daily, hope to see you there. All right, let's hit the music and get the heck out of here. Appreciate Ryan and Adam. They get it done.

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