NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Sneaky Stars ; Wyche's World

Episode Date: May 24, 2019

A room filled with some heroes - Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling are joined by a muscular Steve Wyche to bring you all the latest news around the NFL including Nick Bosa's injury (5:09), the latest Jets drama with Gase and his players (9:06) and Chris Long on the NFL drug policy (20:36). Marc Sessler leads the group through a guided mediation (28:03) before jumping into who are the sneaky stars of 2019. (31:28)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal in a room filled with some different heroes today. Mark Sessler, Chris Wesseling, and Steve Weish in the house. Oh, yeah. In the house. Can I like Bogart this intro real quick, though? Please, please. Dan Hans us, by the way, if you listened to the last show at Legoland,

congrats to Jack for pooping in the toilet so many times to earn that trip. That is big. That's a big. Well, look, I have to hijack this because. My man, Chris here, just tied the knot to a wonderful woman. I saw all the pictures. It looked lovely. So, you know, you know me, I'm a wine guy.

So I went digging through the racks, my brother. Oh, wow. Look at this in real time. In real time. So, you know, Keisha, enjoy that. It's a nice bottle of Napa Cab from Stag's Leap. What an honor. So, enjoy that.

I know you're an onafile. So this is quite the honor. Thank you. Absolutely. Enjoy that. He comes with bearing gifts. That is awesome. We've been upstaged.

Right. violently. Well, maybe he'll share some with you. Absolutely. I would say if I had to put my list of, like, top 100 people in the world to select a bottle of wine for me. In the last couple of years, I've learned that you would shoot to the very, very top of that list. I'd probably be bottom 100, but thank you. How many people do you really know?

Is that even a compliment? It's probably really only like a 10 or 12 person list. He's the only one. I thought you were going to say top 100 people just in general, which, I mean, that's damning with faint praise in my mind. Because who does at this company, there's a lot of vipers. there's a lot of there's a lot of angling actually i would say the people on air all get along really well for the most part for the most part but everyone's got issues that things happen with different people around the company but who have you ever found at this company that's ever said

a bad word about steve wish yeah doesn't happen keep looking keep looking yeah i mean you know thank you're you're in my face but i mean as soon as his cameras go off you know you guys are gonna be crapping all over well maybe you're just very skilled about destroying people in the shadow We just don't know about it. We presume you to be a class snack. I've got my, you know, I live my life like the, like the lionish, you know. I don't trample through the weeds. I kind of tiptoe through them, but when it's time to attack, it's a rap.

I love that. I've seen the way you and your wife, D, how you operate. There we go. Very stealth. No one's having a better time. There you go. Words to live by. So today's, I don't know if it's a big show.

It's just a show. The rest of the company's off right now. it's apparently an NFL holiday because they've got to make up some days for missing Thanksgiving and other Christmas and all that stuff that we don't get. So they got a nice four-day weekend.

It's quiet downstairs, but we're in here, and we're going to set you up right for a big three-day weekend. We'll be back Tuesday. Do some news. We'll do a Mark Sessler guided meditation. Oh, nice.

I'm excited about that. Have we done that before? Is there an unguided one? I think we'd remember. We're going to talk about some sneaky stars of 2019. Who are some people under the radar? I like this. Who can make a little impact?

And then the thing I'm looking forward to most, the final five minutes of the show, we're just going to take a trip down to Weish's world. It's relaxing, but it's professional. And we're just going to ask Weish five. This is a bad setup, man. You guys are totally ringing me in right now. No, this is going to go great.

We have to. We don't know how to. I'm more looking forward. to this. This is like Minnesota Fats type setup. Well, you just sit back and field a variety of intriguing questions and personal inquiries. They may be a little off the wall. Am I going to need a blindfold and a cigarette?

It's up to you. It's your world. So I just want to get to it, get this weekend started, finish this show out. And to do that, let's go to Erica Tamposi, who really pushed hard for us to do this show on Thursday. Sorry, we're on Friday. It's all right. Let's do some news.

Cool. Roger said he didn't want me in the script club. I was like, well, I don't think that wrong with going to the script club. It ain't no sin to go to the script club. You know, I was just being rebellion. It's a bad decision, period, point blank. It was one of the dumbest decision I ever made. Who's been tapping my phone?

That was Pac-Man Jones in a classic soundbite from the late 2000s when he was the poster boy of kind of getting in trouble with the NFL suspensions. It's why he is the example that was given as to why a personal conduct policy needed to be update and upgraded. What a legacy. Yeah. He has a pretty big legacy considering, you know, not a ton of Pro Bowls. He invented making it rain? I don't know if he invented it.

He brought it maybe to a lot of, you know, white folks watching the NFL that didn't, had never really heard about it in 2006. We'll get to his retirement in just a bit, but let's start the news with the 49ers. Nick Bosa is out until training camp. They also lose Jimmy Ward for two to three months with a broken collarbone. Not a ton of huge news over the last few days, but the 49ers who've had bad injury luck seem like they still have some bad injury luck. What do we think? Does this matter?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, Nick Bosa, this guy's had injury history. You know, he hasn't played. He didn't play last season at Ohio State because he had that groin injury. It gets a hammy pull this early on. And those are lingering injuries, you know, it's not like he's a small guy. He is a big dude, okay, and these are things, they're counting on him.

I've spoken to some coaches up there. They're like, if you've got him on one side and then run situations, you can put Eric Armstead or Solomon Thomas on the other, then a passing situation, put in D-Ford and game with, you know, the Forrest Buck and all this, you know, Bosa is the anchor that's going to allow them to do a lot of things. And if he's in and out of the lineup, that's going to be an issue. And, you know, remember the 49ers, they got rid of their whole. like strains and conditioning staff because they kept on having injuries.

I don't remember that. You're on top of things like that. Yeah. They're not really smart. And they had some really good people up there. So, you know, the BOSU thing is something to watch it. And then Jimmy Ward. I mean, he's a guy.

Every year you hear about the talent, the talent, the talent, but you haven't seen the production. Guys, this has Eric Berry written all over to me. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, I think now they really need to start to inquire. We know he's got some injuries as well. but if they can get him on a decent type deal,

this is where I really start getting interested in him. If you're a 49ers fan, I'm going to talk yourself into this injury, not mattering at all, the Bosa injury. His brother, who was a similar prospect, didn't practice until September, and then wrecked shop his entire rookie year. But hamstrings always,

and he's a guy who's had injuries, hamstrings worry me for rookies more than anything because they always seem like, you know. And Odo Beckham ended up having a good rookie year, but it took him six, seven, weeks to sort of get on the field. Different position, man, different body type. It's funny as Jeff Fisher, who is quite a good Twitter follower, despite not being entertaining as a coach for much of my experience with him. He came out and basically said OTAs are problematic because

you really can't teach young players nearly as much as you'd want to. And the fan in me, I look at OTAs in training camp, and it's just this awful scale where nothing great is going to happen that's going to affect my life. No real wins are going to come of it. But epic, disaster can occur when this roster that looks really good on paper or there's young stars, young stars to be on the Niners roster, it only matters that they're available and you already have two

of them that aren't. Yeah, it's a weird thing. Actually, we've got some breaking news. This is from Erica Tamposi on Slack. I never knew how Buff Weish was until the T-shirt games. Look at that. The suit covers it normally. So I just wanted to get that out there.

Yeah, man. Steve is definitely pretty... Those are legit guns. Swole right now. I'm not breaking any of it. I think you're the elder statesman in this room. Quite. And yet you've definitely got the best body. I am much closer to the great. It's a nice combo. Well, I appreciate that, but I'm much close to the grave than a legal drinking age.

And so, you know, I've got to do what I can to keep to stay around, man. I like being around you guys. Does Andrew Siciliano's, you know, up fluctuating guns? Do they put some pressure on you? Because you're on air with them a lot side by side. Andrew does great with what he's got, but he's not in the football. I just, you know, I've been lifting since I was

in high school and running, and I just I just can't get out of it. You're a big high school star, right? A little quarterback. What did he play? Quarterback, running back, outside linebacker, spend a little time sitting at the bench at University of Missouri. I mean, the guy who should be here is Dan.

Dan is a male body admirer and he's missing what I think is some of the better goods we've had in the studio. That guy who's not known necessarily for his body, more of his mind and his eyes. Adam Gase back in the news this week. I just wanted to bring this up. I know we've talked a lot of Jets this off season, but it was just so awkward to watch Adam Gase answer questions about Levyon Bell and C.J. Mosley this week

and insist that he was on board with their signing. With the players, especially Mosley, having to awkwardly say, sort of it doesn't matter. He knows what the truth is. He's like, it doesn't matter whether he wanted me here or not or what the deal was. Like, I'm here. Answering those questions about your head coach is very strange.

And then the thing that really bothered me was Adam Gase saying He insisted he was on the same page with Mike McCagnan and had nothing to do with McCaugnon's ouster. What are we feeling, Mark, about this Jets regime in May making so many headlines? I don't like that. I feel like we're in a postmodern world with press conferences where it's too easy for us to sit here and say,

how dumb do you think we all are after all the stuff that's come down that you're trying to sell us this bill of goods? Because, I mean, if this were happening, he's mastered the messian. Can you imagine if two weeks into O'Dell Beckham signing with the Browns, you have Freddie Kitchens saying behind the scenes he didn't really want O'Dell Beckham and O'Dell Beckham had to answer it's just as awkward to have the players

after they've made this massive life choice, which involves a lot more than just the player. It's moving your families, it's shifting locations, you're looking ahead the next four or five years. And this is the first thing that when you walk through the door you're met with, awkward, highly awkward. We always hear from owners and GMs when they're hiring coaches. We want a leader of men. And how do you lead these men when you're constantly leaking to reporters statements that aren't flattering to these men? And wherever Adam Gaze goes, leak stories follow.

Or if they're not really buying what he's saying, which is like he said he told them, don't listen to what's in the media. But players are smart, you know, they can figure things out. And so there's some that I don't know if that message is going to get through. Yeah, I mean, he can say, don't listen to what's going on in the media. But as you said, they know what time it is. And look, I'm going to give Gase a little break here

just because the Jets have been the Jets for a long time for a certain reason. And that's because the people above Adam Gage. New York City. Oh, yeah. Yeah, nice drop. So Jets theme song. Wice is like, they don't do this.

I'm total access. I'm totally thrown off. He wasn't thrown off at all. It's just. That's true. He started dancing. They're just such a mess for, for so long. And so, you know, Gase, the stuff you heard that Ian and some of these guys were reporting that he didn't want to sign them for this money. He likes the players, just not for that money. One to me, that's a little bit too micromanaging. Like, if you're the coach, someone like that, okay? Don't worry about that. Coach the guys who your GM gets you if you're on the same page, correct? But the fact, you know, where's Chris Johnson and all of this? I mean, in terms of... The acting owner, yeah. You know, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've

can't let your coach go out there and take the shrapnel that he took on some of the stuff and the CJ Mosley his answer was like yeah it's all cool I'm here his answer was the checks are basically still going to cash anyway

so whether they want me or not I'm going to come out here I got paid right it's a little late for all of this but the one thing I will give Gage credit for is if they win ball games and I think this is the most competitive roster the Jets have had

it could be good it won't matter yeah it's not going to win they're not going to win that division he does strike you as like singular thinking alpha male. So maybe it all works and suddenly we're like,

this guy is the new thing that you're looking for or it goes completely safe. I think this is the benefit of separating the GM and the coach because the GM sometimes can be the bad guy instead of the coach. And now it's like the message gets weird

that the coach is the one and now he's the acting GM and it's also a reason why like Bill Belichick, you know, you can get on him for this. But I think this specific type of example is why he is so laser-focused on eliminating leaks and people talking to the media is like exactly this type of story.

And also, if you're Sean Payton or Bill Belichick, who have the basically personnel say... They're the GM, they're ultimately in all of this. It's fine because they've got skins on the wall. Right. The Jets have been a laughing stock of the NFL for years because of stuff like this. Not many coaches were less popular than Bill Belichick going into the 2002,001 season. And that was partly because he was. was in charge of everything and he was annoying the reporters.

Right. Everyone hated him. And they were a bad team. Right. And they hadn't been good for a long time, which is also true of the Washington Redskins. It's just been in the mix. But I want, I mean, bit in the middle, the middle of the pack. And that's because of their quarterback situation. At best. And they're in a tough one now. And I don't know. I wanted to bring this up. Maybe this is not even worth talking about. You guys can tell me and we'll move along quickly. But I found it interesting that Alex Smith was just there at OTAs this week, kind of throwing passes and T-shirts. and like smiling and just reminded of you.

He was like, oh, yeah, Alex Smith. Remember that guy that is guaranteed $20 plus million over the next two years? He's an actual person and he's out there. And it's this strange situation where Keenham's going for the starting job. Haskins is going for the starting job. Colt McCoy is somewhere. And then there's this Alex Smith thing hanging over. No one really knows if his career's over, if his season's even over.

And just there he is smiling. But I was happy to see him because everyone agrees, I think, like a great guy who's had a pretty tough last six months here. Yeah, I mean, that's what I took out of it. I mean, you know, look, Alex, he's not dead. You know, he's not in traction. He's out here. He's trying to be one of the guys because he is just an awesome human being.

He's just an awesome guy. And I think just to see him out there is like, okay, cool. You know, let's take the conversation at least, you know, until Greg Rosenthal gets behind the microphone and tries to lamb-based everything here. What are you talking about? No, I thought it was good. But it was just like a reminder that, like, oh, this is just a thing that he won't make it awkward, but it's just kind of a straight. It's almost unprecedented.

I can't think of another example in recent football history that's like what's going on. I'll not forget that Super Bowl Week, the Niners Raven Super Bowl Week, where obviously Alex Smith was a massive subplot because he had been replaced despite being incredibly effective. And he stood up to every question. and couldn't have been, to your point, he made him huge impression on me as the way the person he was, so I'm not surprised he's there, but also let's say he even shifted into the role of, you know, low-level position coach.

He's making $20 million to be a low-level position coach. So I think it would be smart to show up to work if my employer were paying me $20 million. Oh, he's not the first player from that organization to be paid handsomely in that. Yeah, Deanne Sanders always talks about the Dan Snyder wing on his house. A whole lot of players who love Dan Snyder. Snyder.

Alex Smith, the number one pick in the 2005 draft. It was a rough top 10 that year, because if you go back and look at it, the two best players, by far, maybe not by far. Antro Roll was in there. I kind of forgot about him. Alex Smith, intro role was 10. He's solid. Solid, good career.

Pac-Man Jones number six. And he retired. We talked about him quickly at the top, but I wanted to bring him up because he's had a really interesting career. And if you had asked in 2007 after basically had been suspended for two of his first three years in the NFL, you would have never guessed that he would have outlasted almost that entire draft class. And here he is retiring in 2019. Chris Wesleyan as the resident Bengals' ambivalent guy.

What's your thoughts? Well, I sort of have the recollection of him with the Titans early in his career when he was so incredibly dynamic on punt returns. and even as a ball hawk in that secondary. And then that's after those two years, they had Vince Young and seemed like the world was their oyster. The Titans were this young up-and-coming team. And it never happened because of off-the-field issues for both of those guys.

But when I think of the Bengals years, I think of just about every off-season, friends of mine would text me and say, hey, this isn't made the news yet, but Pac-Man got thrown out of a bar for fighting. Scoops. And all pro as a return guy in 2014, had a really good run as a slot guy in Cincinnati. But I'm glad you brought up the Titans because that 06 team was sneaky, one of my favorite teams of that decade.

I'm telling you, when Vince Young, it was his rookie year, and it was essentially Pac-Man Jones's rookie year because he was suspended in his actual rookie year. When those team, when that team, when Vince Young took over for Kerry Collins and he had, I think, five fourth quarter comebacks that year, and Pac-Man Jones was returning interstate. and he was returning punts. And I remember a great comeback against the Giants especially, but there were a lot of them. Like, that team was about as fun to watch as any. They didn't quite finish the deal at the end of the season. They ended up not even making the playoffs.

But when Vince Young came in, it was a sensation. If you were not there for that, like they were just a sensational kind of dominating the NFL news cycle for about two months, and it was a lot of fun. I cover a lot of those games. That's when I still based in Atlanta. And, I mean, they had this great offensive line with Kevin Mawai. who's going to the Hall of Fame. Michael Ruses, the left tackle.

And I mean, they pounded you on both sides of the ball. They had Albert Haineswood was playing spectacular football. Keith Bullock, I think was. And there weren't good running quarterbacks then, too. That was part of the excitement, was they were a little different. It was such a change from everything that they were doing. And, you know, Mike Heimerdinger, for as much as you want to say about Jeff Fisher, is not having a good offensive coordinator.

Remember, Heimerdinger was the O.C. For the Titans. So they were still really creative. They found ways to do things. and, you know, Pack, I love the, I mean, he's, he's, the amount of respect is crazy it is for as much trouble as Pat got in for fighting and things like that. He usually wasn't the instigator, you know, we saw the video in an airport where somebody was talking to him and Pack had to put in.

His coaches like them. Oh, that's right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, his coaches loved him, Marvin. Yeah, because he was a dog. He was a dog. He ended up being a leader in a locker room that also had leaders like Vontes Perfect. So I don't know how far that goes. But he was a very, very good player.

He talked to Wider's series who played against him. They have a lot of respect for PAC. The punt return game. Never, never fair caught the ball. He would always catch it no matter who was close to. Yeah, that was a stat until 2015 or 16 he never had. And I want to just give him his thing because you mentioned how he changed the personal conduct policy. It's hard to imagine this, but there was an offseason or two where Packman Jones really was the dominant offseason storyline.

He was the biggest story. and it was almost an innocent time looking back because it was before deflate gate and spy gate and Bountygate and all the domestic violence stuff and Kaepernick and stuff and actually Pac-Me and Jones was the biggest like sort of ooh that's the problem in the NFL was Packman Jones for like an off season

104 starts, 104 fights I think the parallel sort of aspect to that is what I'll remember you know what and he probably had about 104 dubs I don't think he had too many Ls with those fights Well, you wouldn't keep getting in them unless you didn't like your chances. A guy I always appreciated because he was just a little different.

But it was not a guy that was going to win a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award like Chris Long did who we talked about his retirement but I'm bringing him back up. What a transition. That was so spectacular. That was smooth.

Straight through the uprights. Greg was home last night in bed just thinking about how to shift from one story to the next. He's like, oh, that's going to work. And it did. It works on the same way. I wish I prepared like that. He's the back in the news because he had some tweets this week,

which had caught a lot of notice about, and he was on Dan Patrick kind of started it out, talking about how he smoked weed regularly as a pro, which that's not news, obviously. But he did point out kind of the specifics of why the NFL drug policy in his mind is almost cosmetic and easy to beat, because basically they know they're only going to get tested.

If you're not in the program, you only get tested once a year, and it's usually between like a one month, one to two month window. April and early August, that's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said. So it's in specific times.

And it caught a lot of fire. And I think interesting conversation about that. And I hadn't, I knew that, but I didn't know the total specifics of how easy, I guess it is to beat that policy. Which is why when someone gets busted, and you have to fail multiple times, you know, when it comes to,

to weed, to get in trouble, to get suspended. But this is why you don't hear much about guys. You know, you don't hear of the 1,800 players. You hear maybe three or four who get a problem with the drug issue, and maybe it's because they've got bigger problems. But I think Chris Long brings up a big point because you remember his, when he came out and said this about Dan Patrick on the Dan Patrick show, it was right along the lines of the NFL and the NFLPA are considering a new weed

policy or things to help manage pain and things like this. So I think it all fit in there. I think that's where things are headed. I think it's trending as to where weed will not be considered illegal. Now, maybe you get in trouble if you get arrested for it in the states that were weed is still illegal. But maybe they won't test it. I mean, we live in a state where it's, you know, fully legal, obviously.

Right. And more and more states are training in that direction. I mean, like the 90% of housewives in Los Angeles are probably, would be would test positive between April and August. Why does it have to be a wife's thing? Well, I'm just saying because you wouldn't peg them as that. But, like, if you play the sport that inflicts the most pain, but you're tacked under a sports governing body stuck in the dark age.

Just in the air, yes. I was walking to preschool this morning, and you can just smell it in the air at 8.30 in the morning. Oh, man. The lovely thing. Yeah, I mean, the... Not great thing for a preschool, but... Go to a Ralph's... Go to a Ralph's, and everybody's, like, you know, puffing to figure out,

gee, what munchies can we get to we hit the Oreo aisle for? That was partly why you want to bring up. So you think that this is a step to getting rid of it. I think it's a step. And, you know, you talk about the dates, the April to August, the off season, that's usually, okay, so they're not around us a lot. So that's probably when they're puffing. These guys, as soon as the test is over, those who smoke are going to see. It does help, though, to have a Chris Long because the specific late April to early August to come and point out how archaic and dumb and sort of false the whole thing is.

And we learn from it. And then you have to change rules. And you get tested one. So once you get it out of the way, you're free sale. And I think that does show the NFL is ultimately not sweating the details of people smoking. And to mention, go back to the Chris Longpoint, this was last year's Walter Payton Man of the Year winner. This isn't just a guy. This is a guy who's building clean water wells over in Africa and standing with a lot of African-American players

in the Players Coalition to get legislation changed and paying, giving up a year's salary. so kids, you know, in Charlottesville, Virginia can have funding for academics. Basically, I can do all these wonderful things. I can make big plays in the Super Bowl. And when it's all done, I can go home, take a couple puffs, and have a good night's sleep. Maybe we can get David Irvin back in the league once they shift all this. When they change this rule, this will give me the chance to implement my new app. Which is what?

Weaned. W-E-E-N-D. Nobody at home take this idea because I've been through a lot of pain in last few years. I think karma will be a bit. We wing you off of painkillers through the use of weed. W-E-E-N-D, wean. I mean, I'm not sure what the app is doing, but I like the whole... Greg, it's all about apps.

Just leave it alone. I like it. Finally, in the news, Cleveland and Kansas City were named the hosts of the NFL draft. We never talked about that. 2021 for Cleveland, 2023 for Kansas City. What do we think, Wes? Are we trying to get to Cleveland? I think we should try to get to Cleveland.

We never go to the draft. Oh, I was just about the... to say I'd much rather go to Kansas City for that barbecue. Either way. Give me that barbecue. I want to go to both. This is where, see, I love Cleveland.

I'm up there a lot because of the Browns and whatnot. That is one of the most underrated restaurant cities in the country. You are fantastic restaurants in Cleveland. You've got Canton up the road. I think it's great. I like the fact that the draft is being held more and more in cities that likely won't host Super Bowls.

It's become a thing that like 12 teams are bidding for it. There's a blank spot sandwiched in between there, though. I know. Is that the LA spot? 2022. Well, they said they're not trying to do it for teams that have Super Bowls, but maybe they would. I had some London listeners wondering,

would they ever bring it to London? I was like, you know what? That actually is a good. Because Ian said big city. So Cleveland and Kansas City, not in the top, you know, 15 markets TV-wise. They wanted to bring it to a big city for that year.

And I was like, you know, London, like the draft would be a nice little test for the Super Bowl. It'd be at a weird time in London, perhaps. Is that a World Cup year? as well, you know, where you can kind of combine all that? Oh, just stay there for the entire spring. That would be so soon. Yeah.

I'm with you. I, well, like, the one thing that I find when they suddenly, you find, we live in L.A., you find out the Super Bowls in L.A., obviously, with the new stadium, they're going to put the draft there. I, in the person that is annoyed by what should be a traveling road trip, suddenly I don't go anywhere. I have to just drive, basically take a train or a bus to get there or an Uber. I don't like that at all.

And secondly, I'm different. I like the idea of sleeping in my bed. Well, that's fine. That's the other 340 nights. a year though please but they are talking about moving the combine potentially after 2021 don't mess with me on that one i don't want i like indianapolis with the combine everybody does a perfect little fit everybody i'm i'm the opposite i've of course you are i like well i'm just saying i like the indianapolis i like indianapolis i think it's a great setup but after 15 of them or so

it's like i've done enough you can't be replaced be careful i'm just saying i'd if i if i if i've Let's go to another city. Just be careful what you wish for, though, because if it's anything other than a warm weather city, Indy has that tunnel system, which you don't need to go outside other than across that one little street. I'm willing to take a chance. Yeah, if they're moving it, I think it's coming.

I don't need another year of people trying to convince me St. Elmo is some, you know, great stuff. Thank you. Last time when we were at the Combine, I was hearing rumors of people saying that they want to try Dallas, but the Dallas stadium is 30 minutes outside of each city. That would be terrible. It wouldn't be there.

That whole Dallas thing is a whole Friscoe. And that was one of maybe the worst Super Bowl week I've been to. Yeah. It would be at the star. Especially if your tickets suddenly didn't exist for the seat. You hope you were. All right. That is it for the news.

And what's next? Let's get to a little. I think there's a lot of stress in that news. Let's relax with a little guided meditation. It remarks us. A guided meditation. Wherever you are. Whatever you are doing, please put down your activities and close your eyes and keep them closed.

Wave goodbye to your stresses, the hassle of daily life. Truly be in the moment. Listen to the sounds around you, the beauty of our world, all around you. Now, I want you to envision right in front of you, a figure. a masculine figure who is it oh it's Dan Hansis

our host right there in front of you looking right into your eyes and not just any Dan Hansis but Dan Hanses dressed as a fireman a very manly thick heroic

fireman because you now realize that all around you is a big burning building. Walls collapsing, people screaming, death is near, but not for you. Dan Hansis the fireman is here to save you. He pulls you into his arms and carries you through the burning embers. Out of the white-hot chaos, beyond the noise, out to quiet grasses he lays you down safely in the grass and tells you I'll be back I need to save the others and you feel cared for and safe and content inside because of Dan the fireman now slowly open your eyes and return to our world and please check to see if anyone's stolen

your wallet or your purse if you are a girl the end. It feels like some kind of indoctrination. Oh my God. I feel like I watch an episode of

This is Us. I do feel more relaxed. I've ever seen that. I do feel more relaxed. Good. Well done. That was the goal. And the song

and the exciting journey into Mark's subconscious. You know, I imagine this comes about because Mark's lying in bed and he's having

this beautiful vision. And that's really a sign of how close Mark and Dan are. It's a window into their list. And didn't you get like the calendar, the fundraising fireman calendar, Dan Hanzas? I mean, that type of popular.

Right. I think Mark planted a seed in my mind that I am now always going to think of Dan as more manly than I did before. That was the goal, so I'm glad it, you know, hit. I'm glad why she just rolls. They're not going to throw this on the old aftermath. No. Sorry, Rhett, you know.

It's not doing any guided. meditations. Let's get back to a little football talk before we finish off the show with five minutes in Weish's world. And this football talk is pretty open-ended. It's about the sneaky potential stars of 2019. And I got the idea actually, you know, just I wrote an article this week. It's a little different, actually. It's a, it's a article about the homegrown players on any AFC or NFC team. I think I was feeling refreshed after that time. Hybee visit. It just makes everyone happy and basically just like different players that I wanted to preview

and talk about going into the season. But for this specific exercise, let's talk about some guys we actually think can make an impact that we think is ultimately I think we think is going to be good, that they're a little under the radar but that they're in a position where they're going to be very important to their team in 2019. Why don't we start with Mark Sessler? I look at a team that has a pretty stacked backfield.

But I think it's second rounder Miles Sanders for the Eagles that has a chance to be... I think it's going to be a hot hand backfield because if you find you have a runner who can get into the flow and make a big impact, I don't think you draft him in the second round unless you identify the fact. We don't have our guy that can do everything we want. And that's not Jordan Howard to me. They gave Josh Adams that chance last year. You still have Corey Clement. And I think Miles Sanders is going to at least be given a chance in a...

Offense that still with Carson Wentz operating at full power can kill you through the air as well. It's a great situation. You saw what was happening pre-injury with that ground attack when they had a stable of backs, how they pounded teams down the stretch. And I thought that was one of the most interesting offenses to watch because they could kill you in so many different ways. And they still can. And so I'm picking Miles Sanders as someone that, and I also think the running back position in general, by week eight, you could be a rookie and be a foundational star in your offense.

I like that. I mean, that's like a sneaky name. Like, you hear Miles Sanders, and you're like, oh, that's probably not going to be one of the best running backs in the league. Barry's cousin, by the way. Really? No. No.

But I didn't think so. See, we don't know enough. We don't know enough about him. I would have heard about it. You're right, though. They're loaded, like where it's a great spot to be for a running back. The offensive line is great. They love Dallas God.

They probably have the best tight end combination in the league. You've got Wentz finally with like a full, healthy offseason as the man. Got to Sean Jackson and pulled the receivers down, or DBs downfield. So, yeah, I like the- You don't want the guys like Jordan Howard or Corey. Gordon-Hawood, who kind of tip, like, okay, they're good on passing downs or they're good on running down. Why did the Chiefs to let go of Jordan Howard? I think for that. Bears.

Excuse me, the Bears. From a Chief's offense. That was where my mind was. Wes, what's up? So I looked at this as like young, homegrown players who showed special traits or flashes of dominance down the stretch, but people don't really know about them. Yeah. I thought from Thanksgiving to the end of the season I think Jamal Adams is the only safety better

in the league than Von Bell of the Saints. What a great call. He was spectacular. Everybody talked about their front seven when they started shutting people down. The end of the year they were one of the best defenses in the league. And I thought Von Bell was incredible. To me, he's a pro bowler this year. Yeah, with Eli Apple coming to kind of solidify things at that other corner,

that's a really interesting. That comes from the game pattern. tape watching. Yeah, it's so weird that their defense now looks pretty bulletproof on paper. I mean, things always change, especially on defenses. But the secondary, especially if you have Von Bell, Marcus Williams pretty good. He had a good year. Marchion Latterman is coming off and down here, but he's shown enough that you obviously like him a lot.

Eli Apple was good for them. They should get Patrick Robinson back. It's like a lot of, that's a lot of juice. Like one guy I thought about for this exercise was just Marcus Davenport, not that he's like, a secret but to me he could be the difference between them being a really good defense and just great if he's just like this absolute force but bell's already shown it i love that's a good pick because he's been around for a few years like sometimes guys develop late and he was a 2016 second rounder i think this is his fourth year in the league but you're right he came on like

gangbusters at the end and the saints defense is the most underrated lineback in the NFL and to mario davis oh he was incredible they looked like a top five defense on paper which is sneaky Dennis Allen in its own right. Scary. Okay, so I'm going this way. Okay, we're talking about all the losses that the Ravens have had on their defense.

You know, there's a reason why they gave up two outside linebackers and Zaria Smith and Terrell sucks. They think Matt Judon is a guy who's going to be an impactful player. Look, he's had 15 sacks over the past two years in a rotational role. He's entering, I believe, his fourth or fifth season. It was a small college player who kind of grew physically and everything. And I think he's somebody. He's going to get the opportunity now.

they're speaking well of. And Wink-Martinale, their D.C. does a lot of really interesting things, reducing guys inside, moving him outside. But I think him as an outside linebacker, pass rusher, has to do all of the things. I mean, they ask their outside linebackers do a lot. I think Matt Judon is a player who we're not talking about now so much because he's going to have a lot on him. By the end of the season, we're like, whoa. And like what coaching staff do we trust more to develop defensive talent from within?

Well, he's one of those guys that at this, in February next. year like Wes and I when we do our free agency list it's like you can just imagine Matt Judon coming off a monster year is the ninth best player in free agents like who the hell was talking about Zadarius Smith at this time a year ago no one and then he got 17 million dollars a year it's just like a little factory there and they know what they're doing they need him without Suggs and Zadaria Smith it can't be seven or eight sacks it's got to be 12 or 13 sacks this year and he's got to be strong they need a couple guys to step up but he's probably the leader you got Jalen Ferguson they drafted

Tim Williams. I'm going to go with another defensive player. They signed Shane Ray, come on. I'm going to go with another defensive player that came on strong at the end of last year. Tremaine Edmonds going into his second year with the bills. I just remember him early in the year being like, oh man, this guy is not

what everyone said he was. They made him a middle linebacker right off the bat. He was struggling. He was giving up big plays, not like taking good angles. but quietly at the end of the year, especially if you listen to their coaching staff and he was the defensive rookie of the month in December, it sort of all slowed down for him.

And he's playing that Luke Keakley role in Sean McDermott's defense. And I remember some of those games in December, he was everywhere. And they talk about him like he is the leader of this defense for the next decade. They do a film study every week where it's just the players and Kyle Williams ran it forever.

in December he was just he knew he I guess he knew he was he was retiring he handed it over to Tramaine Edmonds because he said this dude is our leader this guy does more work than any and he was 20 years old that's the other thing that really stands out to me is he was the youngest player in the league he ended up starting 16 games so now you're coming into your second year and you have that confidence and you show it at the end of the year you can kind of put it all together where you're just reacting and you got Matt Milano next to you who's kind of his Thomas Davis not saying they're going to be that good but I think if the bill's defense is going to be like how john mcdermott believes it's going to be

endmins is going to get a lot of notice and and have a big jump in his second i love that because you talk about lukeekly i mean what's what do you hear mostly about lukekely he knows the play before right snap so you're you're asking a rookie to diagnose an awful lot there's no way he can get that early he's calling the plays yeah right the fact he made that progress and the bills are going to be you know you talk we're talking about sneaky players the bill's going to be one of those teams who are going to be a tough out this year. Oh, we're fans. We had Sean McDermott on during the

owner's meetings, and it's not hard with our show when a coach that we like sits down with us that for the next two or three years we're just like, you could do no wrong. We're totally... He's such an awesome guy, by the way. I love it. Yeah, we're like, yeah, if we actually went out and covered the team, we'd just be in the back. That's why we're going to stay here

and that way we can just fire daggers. All right, let's go around one more time, I guess. All right, so let's, so when I mentioned Jordan Howard as a player. What I had in my head was the fact that the reason the Bears, I thought, moved on from him. And I had a couple Bears fan friends that, you know, they text you, like, why on earth? Like, why not just keep him from one more year? And I think it's because Matt Nagy knows exactly what worked in Kansas City and what he wants in his offense, that is his own offense, but

pulls a lot from Kansas City. And that's why I think David Montgomery has a big role there, and they went out and made an effort to get him to pair him with Tareke Cohen. And I love Tariq Cohen, but you can't lean on Tariah Cohen to do everything. And David, They also have Mike Davis, but Montgomery is a guy that caught 71 passes in college, 50 over the last, 58 over the last two years. Nagy's come out and called him a three-down back, want to use them in every way possible. And to me, that just speaks on someone that they, we looked at you, we know who you are, and you're a fit for us. We didn't inherit you. We trust you to do everything.

And to me, if he does it well, if he shows that early on, he can handle the capability of the playbook and everything else, goodbye. You're going to be a big part of that offense. I thought half the bear's roster fits this topic. Guys like Eddie Goldman. Those tackle people don't really know about it. Tariq Cohen himself is the engine that makes this offense go, not Alan Robertson who's getting all the money. And yet you kind of expect if I had to guess,

well, that's tough. There's a lot of variables. But Montgomery, if he out snapped Cohen this year, it wouldn't be a surprise. No, I mean, it's going to be. He's a very small guy. I mean, I know it's a really small guy. He can't carry the ball and you catch a ton of passes.

because of his size, and that's why this is a perfect fit in Montgomery. He's not someone who's going to win a foot race, you know, like Terry Cohen in the open field, but man, he is a tough player to tackle. He runs very low to the ground, so he can hide. I'm with you. I think the Bears, with this thing, right, this topic right here, we could have put half their team. He's also the official player of Adam Rank, I feel like. Every day Adam Rank has a rule.

He has to send a new Instagram post about David Montgomery. It's quite a personal rule to be. I like that. It's a personal code. We love rank. We love rank. What's up, buddy? I have a sneaky defensive star you never hear about,

but might hold more value to his franchise than anyone else on the roster. Wow. Little guy by the name of Miles Garrett. Oh. You can argue that AJ Green and Gino Atkins are better relative to their peers, but considering age in his premium position, William Jackson. Thank you. He has a strong case as the most valuable player on the Bengals roster.

a lot of talk up there about him now with some of the shift they're doing really Erica's always talking about that William Jackson. Would she wake up and possibly stop discussing him? Because they're doing this 3-4-4-3 flexibility. They think he's going to be a star up there. Wow, Wes.

Oh, yeah. We're on it. Deep. Yeah. It's about as deep as I dug in that wine crew. Well, he was someone he was like a slot guy that then they, and not a slot guy, but a part-time. He didn't play every snap two years ago. And then he went into last year with a lot of like he's an analytics favorite a lot of hype i don't know if like he had like a monster year a year ago but you think he's going to take even another step here i think he's

already one of the best cornerbacks okay and they've drafted a couple corners that have not really equaled their draft pedigree so this is a nice turn of events absolutely i'm going with a big name a name we've heard former first round draft pick expectations made big money hasn't lived up to it but this is going to be his year, and that's Sammy Watkins. Okay. Interesting. I like this. Because he's a guy, look, last year they paid him the huge contract, the contract that really upset the wide receiver market. I mean, people like, the chiefs are paying him this much money, you know,

$14 million a year, only 40 catches, 519 yards, had the foot injury, didn't play the final five or six games. But then those performances in the two postseason games, 10 catches, 107, 6 yards, a TD showed up big. We don't know the Tyree Kill situation. We know Pat Mahomes is probably going to be better in his third season under Andy Reed and Sammy Watkins has a lot

of proving to do so even though again he's a big name we know the potential is there we haven't seen it consistently I think this is finally the breakout The opportunity's there I guess like I don't know I gotta see it Eye roll there it is

No no no no it's no it should be it's a deserved eye roll He would have been a perfect like he is so important I can't like he is so important to their team I need to see it from him, I guess. We all do. There are a lot of NFL players who are great for two or three games a year, and he's one of them. He needs to be great for 11 or 12 games a year.

It's the old basketball analogy, I think it was Gary Williams University of Maryland, former coach. He said certain players dominate, you know, like a minute or two. Yes. He's never dominated that stretch. And that's what we need to see him, but he's got to be the dude this year. No one's talking about him. Yeah, no, you're right. And I think this is, he's got all the physical tools.

I mean, keep his feet healthy. But the durability is the issue. I'm going to wrap up with another receiver. And it's a second year player. Didn't get a lot of notice late last year because who really wanted to be watching C.J. Bethard and Nick Mullins. But Dante Pettis had some moments as a rookie that were impressive to me. He only ended up, he had 467 yards and five touchdowns as a rookie,

which doesn't sound like a lot. basically only played eight games. There were three or four other games where he essentially had no snaps. He basically played half the season, put up those kind of numbers. And the way Shanahan talks about him, he says he's not a slot guy. He's not now. It's like, in the NFL, like, you don't want guys that are just your like ex-receiver. And maybe that's a little issue with Watkins.

Is he that versatile? Pettis lines up on both outside slots. He lines up in the middle. He does a little bit of everything. And when you watch him, he just kind of glides. Like he's a small guy, but it's like he's so smooth with his routes. I always like the guys who are just known for their route running. And he was really good at that.

And when you look at their receiver court, if they're going to put up numbers, someone's got to put up some numbers in that group. And to me, he's easily the best bet because he's been there for a year. He showed a little something. He does a little bit of everything. I asked Josh Norris from the Roto World podcast and the draft guy there if he had any comparison for him. He had an interesting one.

He said if Michael Thomas was like 20 pounds lighter, maybe a little Dante Pettis, which I thought was an interesting one because he can do a little bit of everything. He's good at the catch point. He's good making plays after the catch. He's been a punt. Like, he can do a little bit of everything.

That's what I want. Yeah, Michael Thomas was 20 pounds lighter. Would he be in the NFL? He'd be Dante Pettis. There you go. Pettus got a little more gas too now. Right. He can hit it when he wants.

He can run away from you. Yeah. Wow. I like the petting because, again, you know, They've got Kilda tied in, but then you all keep asking who's the other threat? Who is their other receivers? You got a couple of rookies there. You got Marky.

I almost feel like we should do a speed round with no commentary because I know that we all creaking up with a ton of people. We could do this segment again. I feel like this is a we could come back to this. Okay. I like it. I'll keep my notes. You know, it's just like you can talk about anyone in the NFL. I got like 30 more guys.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, we can come back to this in a few weeks or something, whatever. Part two. You guys were like getting on me on the phone. You're like, this looks like a 65 minute show. And as the hose, I'm trying to prevent that, trying to get us out of here. Yeah, I come back to another week.

And I just feel like we're on the doorstep right here of what's going to be magic. Oh, yeah, Weish's World? And that's a trip. Let's do it. Into Weiss's World. I'm not going to even start the clock quite yet, but I think we can play the music just to get into the mood. Now, Steve's wife is Jamaica. Yes.

One of the great NFL employee wives in the game. Maybe right there at the top. Delightful. Keisha's a dirtier, but Dee's not an employee here, and she's from Jamaica. Yes, she is. And so that's just, I don't know, I was in, you know, that was the closest I get to get for some. Nice to like that. For some music.

And because, again, relaxed, but professional. That's what it's like in Weiss's world. We have five minutes to ask Steve, whatever questions we've always wanted to ask Steve, after all his years in the business. and let's start it right now. Mark, let's go. Who is the last person you spooned with? That would be Deanne Weich. Yeah, I mean, what kind of question?

I'm checking. I think we tell we can trust you right out of the gate. But after your Dan Hansa's imagery, you know, if I were to, you know, look out the other eye. I may have to go, you know, Dan at the fireman calendar out. Topinot. What's better? The word itself or the delightfully briny relish,

she might find on a high-octane sandwich. That is a great question, but I've got to since I just had some lovely olive top-in-od last week, and I've got to see the taste of it. I don't even eat olives, but the taste of the top-in-od is right there. I'm not really... You're going to New Orleans. Come on, man. Yeah.

Mufiletta. It was a great question, though. All right, let's go back to the couple. A lot of people thinking you and D is kind of the first couple of the NFL media group. What are you thinking about some of the buzz going? along that Chris Wesleyan and Keisha are coming for your throne. Any rivalry there that they want to be the first couple of these.

No, I love it because, you know, there's some similarities there. You know, Keisha's from the Lou. I'm from the Lou. Okay. She's wonderful. Chris is wonderful. I'm sure, you know, like when people say, what's the first one word to describe your wife? I'm just like, she's just cool.

Oh, yeah. And if we say, okay, what's the first word that comes to Miami and say, West, he's just cool. So if we were to ever to, like, retire the throne or have some big dragon come and burn us out of the throne. I would love for Wes and Keesha to be the succession plan. I'd much rather be the hand of the king. That works. How about this one?

You can answer this with a yes or a no. Was and is, Peyton Manning as pure and perfect as the public has been led to believe. No. I know I don't. I'm not going to push you for details. Go, Wes. Well, akin to that topic, more likely to be lost to the sands of time. a hypothetical designated pinch runner

who continually takes second base on defensive interference or the other 232 games of Eli Manning's career whoa that was deep the pinch runner I'm leaving there that was deep um all right give us give us one story from your experience as the host of NFL AM for listeners of the podcast this

was a program Steve was a host of that when did you have to wake up every morning, 12.30 in the morning? No, I was in studio. I was in studio. You had to show up for work every day at 1230 to go live on the air at three. Give us or any thoughts or recollection or a story from your time at NFL. One of the best is actually we were on the set. It was

the day when Aaron Hernandez was getting arrested. Okay. And so... Great times. How about this? The NFL Network was the only one that had a camera Everyone had pulled their cameras back from the shot we were having from across his house. So we're sitting there, well, I'm sitting there watching the monitor of Aaron Hernandez getting arrested. Meanwhile, those who shall remain nameless are reading highlights and talking about what's going on, prompting Steve White. She just say, excuse me, I'm watching a monitor of Aaron Hernandez getting cuffed as he's taking it, putting on his white t-shirt over this.

And it was a big, oh, yeah. Yeah? Like, no, we've only been talking about this for like six weeks now, two months. Yes, it's happening. And fortunately, you know, my desire for the news. Great job. You are. That was a good, a good pat on your own back, a good use of the third person. I think it's contagious with that chair using the third person.

We know that you're a wine connoisseur proven here today, but other times as well. Let's say having just rewatched sideways on the plane to Wes's wedding, who would you choose to go on a nice L.A. Up the Coast, Central, Northern California, boozy wine tour with. What NFL coach would you pick? What NFL coach would I pick? Or executive. I'll throw it out. No, no, no. Let's keep it to coaches, who would I pick? I would probably, well, to keep this quick and keep it moving, I'd probably say Sean Peyton.

Love it. Seems like a party. I think Sean with a few glasses of wine and we can tour around. We'd have some good conversations. If the topic is the most dynamic, electric, captivating athlete, completely unknown to anyone under the age of 30, would former Red Centerfielder Eric Davis be the number one contender? This is a leading question. Eric Davis is looking great athlete, but he would not be the number one contender. Come on. We're talking, you know, he's the best baseball player ever saw for about 15 months. From middle of 1986 through 87, I've never seen anyone do it that guy.

about Ron Gant, a couple other people talking about it. No, Ron Gant isn't even in the same neighborhood. I don't know if we're at five minutes or four. All right. I'm unhappy with that answer. We're almost done. All right, true or false, Steve, it sticks in your craw that you haven't gotten enough credit for being the first person to break the Colin Kaepernick story. The Sands of Time should recognize you. False. I, you know, just doing my job. All right. All right. That's it. That was it. That was five minutes. Sorry. I need a quick one for our list. All right. All right. All right. Go ahead. This is for our listeners, but I'm going to take notes. Favorite West Coast road trip. Favorite West Coast road trip?

That would be up to the Solvang Lompoc, Santa Rica area, Santa Anaz Valley, where I spend about four long weekends a year. Los Alivas? Los Alivas. All right, we'll wrap up on Marr. There we go. How did you celebrate the 20-year anniversary of Phantom Menace? Be real with us.

I know you. That final question. What was Chris Long talking about? That probably, you know, all right. What a trip. And you know what? I think it sort of makes sense the trip to Weiss's world. We say it's five minutes, but it ends up being five and a half.

You get lost in it. Who really cares? Because it's relaxed and yet professional. With the reggae. And I brought up the Kaepernick thing, because I don't think people know that, that you were the first person who talked to him and really wrote that story. And that kind of, you know, started a national fire firm. Yeah, yes, it did.

Straight from the pages of NFL.com. Just doing my job. You did the job today. You knocked it out, and we're getting out of here well before 65 minutes that Sessler was worried about. Not worried, just sort of a track record suggests. And today you said the track record doesn't always tell the story. Although it's a lot longer than what we said.

55 minutes. I think we should get out of here. I think we should all enjoy our weekends. We're going to. I know Ricky Hollywood behind the glasses is about to. Yeah, let's go. Get a little loose. All right, that's it.

Let's do it. for Mark Sessler Quiet Storm Mr. Jackson over there Chris Wesleyan Mr. Jackson Yeah, Steve Weish and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass

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