NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Stick a fork in 'em: Forking the teams that won't make the playoffs this year

Episode Date: November 8, 2017

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe start this week's podcast off with a sad update on #ATNCAT. (1:00); The crew then recaps Monday night's Packers-Lions game (5:00), which included Jon Gruden's viral turkey hole rant (10:00); The latest news from around the league, including Jameis Winston's weird pregame speech to his teammates (16:00); Josh Gordon returns to the Browns' facility as he prepares to start practicing with the team again (22:00); Then, it's the return of the highly-anticipated "FORK 'EM" segment, where the heroes "stick a fork in" the teams they think are done for the year.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, so many heroes, Mark Sessler, Colleen Wolfe, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, people? What's up, gang? Hey! That's actually not true off the top.

We were given free underpants months ago, and I wound up giving them to the paramour in a strange development. Strange. For everyone. Slash inappropriate on some level. It feels inappropriate to me.

I'm actually, and I'm not kidding, wearing me on these right now. I am totally sold on the product and I continue to long for them to return as a sponsor. The rare sponsor for that sponsor that's no longer with us. I could tell that you were sold on them really just based on your reaction at the Media Summit. We had that night from the start. I thought Mark was sold on white wine at that. It's possible to have been sold on both.

Well, it takes a lot to impress Mark because famously he didn't wear. underwear for a decade. They changed my clothing style, my clothing habits. I remember being fascinated by that and went on for years and then one day all of a sudden no longer was it just a thin layer of denim separating you from everything. I remember Mark being annoyed that I brought that up on the show once. Yeah, and I continue to be annoyed that you just did it about a minute ago. Any chance you go back to Commando.

It all depends. I mean, if I lived in Minnesota in like the third. of winter? No, but like out in California, it's like, I don't, why, why do I need extra layers of clothing all over me? No. Easy, breezy. Exactly. A lot to get to today. Big show. We have, let's see, what do we got coming up to? Let's go through. We have Monday night football. The Lions and Packers played at Lambo Field and, yeah, things are getting more and more grim for the Packers by the day. Also, we are going to preview Thursday night football. That is a NFC West matchup between the Seahawks and Cardinals.

And then, yes, it's been teased for a while. It got pushed back a week. But now is the time we're midway through the season. It's time to stick a fork in some teams. Yes, it's an around the NFL podcast tradition where we decide which teams have literally no chance of making the playoffs. And it's not a happy, it's not always a happy show. And speaking of which, not always. happy news to report, Mark.

We are a news podcast at our heart, and you have some very sad news from Sessler Manor, don't you? Yeah, I do. I mean, this came out of nowhere. As you know, we have had a little kitty at our house that our children named Boo, despite many great names from pouring in from the listeners, hashtag ATN Cat. But yesterday, we were preparing to take the little kitty to the vet to kind of prepare it for like an adopted home.

And my wife, Simone, who was taking care of it with our neighbor around the clock, basically, found it and it had passed away. No. It was, yeah. So, boo is gone. And it was a very sad moment for our family. And, like, I came into this not kind of always for years decrying cats, not a cat person, don't trust people who own cats. You don't trust me? No, but I mean, especially guys that own cats.

But I've changed my whole, I've changed my whole feeling on that. That it really. Especially guys that don't own cats. Well, that's how I felt for years. Oh, no. The one good thing is on Sunday night before it passed away. Both our little boys looking cold and had time to spend with it and feed it and stuff. So they were very heartbroken.

Oh, my God. It's too bad. So AT&Cat did not make it very sad. But I almost feel like now we need some type of mascot more than ever. AT&Cat could have been that boo. Yeah. It just didn't work out. But, Mark, you and the family, you did your best.

Well, there was natural, I think, that, you know, my wife, Simone did, like, the most work along with our neighbor, and they were heartbroken because I think for them it felt like we failed, and they really didn't. The vet was like, this cat did not have a large chance to live. It was found days after it was born, and it was really in ragged shape. And so, you know, they did do everything they could. We should do something in the name of Boo. Yeah, we should prosecute Mom Cat, by the way. Has anybody heard from Mom? she's been back right in the backyard yeah that's a whole other subplot well she just i think mom cat

has a lot going on in her own life from what i can tell personal problems i don't know i don't know the skinny anyway very bad news uh and i really feel badly for your family mark uh but uh we will move on and maybe another cat shows up who knows it's possible right it's very possible they said that this irresponsible mom cat the vet said that she might lay some more cats yes our The backyard apparently is, it's a, it's a, it's a, our backyard seems to be sort of a landing spot for this. And you learned a valuable lesson that maybe not all cats and cat owners, you know, like my mom's a big, big cat. No, but no, it's only male cat. No, it was much more, no, I guess my dad.

A male cat owner were more, those guys are more on my radar. So you don't trust John. No, but now my opinions have changed. My opinions have changed. I don't trust John for a variety of other reasons, who? Not pet ownership. All right. So.

John Ronald Gonzalez. No. That guy. That guy. Who's mayor to NFL media broadcaster, Colleen Wolf, John, who's a Pisces resides in Los Angeles with his wife and two dogs. And a cat. See, that drop is not even correct.

We don't recognize cat. At least we didn't until now. Yes. We only recognize one cat on this podcast. It was boo. And now Boo's gone. So once again, Pat's, uh, cat's persona persona non grata. Rest in peace, boo.

Rest and peace, boo. Let's talk about Monday night football. Depper goes back. Cox's arm throws a long pass down the near side line. A diving, leaping, catch and a touchdown. Detroit on the near sideline. What a grab by Marvin Jones. Who was that again?

That's Kevin Harlan. Of course, it's Kevin Harlan of Westwood one. Matthew Stafford threw for 361 yards, two touchdowns, both to Marvin Jones and the Lions. Three-game losing streak. Feen, after a 30 to 17 win on Monday night over the Packers, who, Greg Rosenthal, let's start with the Packers. We're going to get to the Lions because to me, the story on some level was the Packers,

this idea that perhaps that they could survive Aaron Rogers, his absence, and hang around in the NFC playoff picture until Rogers potentially could come back. That all feels like a pipe dream, especially after last night's game. Yeah, Brett Hunley doesn't, he holds the ball too long when they try. to go down the field. And otherwise, you know, they're just throwing the ball so short in the first drive. They're saying, well, this is how you build up a young quarterback, you know, on Twitter. Like, nice short passes.

Like, you can't do that the whole game. And I watch these three games now with Hunley, one where he came in as a backup. And I'm thinking, show me something, Mike McCarthy. You had two weeks to prep for this game and Dom Capers on defense, but you had two weeks to prep for this game and you came out of the buy and this is what they came out with. and now I'm just not expecting to see it this season. I'm with you, and it's another, you look at Houston, you look at Green Bay, and these teams around the league that think they can build an organization

without a franchise quarterback start there, forget about it. The Packers and the Texans are dead meat now because their one starting quarterback is out in the complexion of the entire team changes. You can call the team sport and it is, but you remove Aaron Rogers and the Packers are beatable by anyone in the league right now. Well, it's a bummer for anybody who, an NFL fan just because of the way that these games are now. I mean, you watch

the Packers and it's just they're a shell of themselves. They can't score any points and like you said, Greg, I mean, they had a buy week to prepare for this and now next week they're facing a division rival, I guess you could say a rival. I mean, they're facing the Bears and they're going to be on six days rest. Like

that's a short week for them. I don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to come out and score any points. But that's on the organization. It's not just on Aaron Rogers. I don't think every team would collapse. It's hard to compare Aaron Rogers to anyone, but I don't think the Patriots, for instance, would collapse as much with Tom Brady because you would expect other parts of the team to step up. Get a stop Packers defense. I mean, that's part of the reason. They were

letting the lions go up and down the field all night. I mean, there's two different groups here, and one of them's had the same coordinator since, I don't know, 1941, it feels like, with Dom Kaper, and they're not getting any more stops. They have Blake Martinez trying to cover Golden Tate. I mean, it's like Detroit looked extremely lively in the passing game because of the way Greenbeg could not cover them. They lost Morgan Burnett again too in this game. He was just coming back, which

was going to be a big boon for them. And so another key player goes down. They lost Brian Blagga on the line to a torn ACL. I mean, they are, we're going to Jordan Nelson's not quite, ring them up later. He used to be a top five or six receiver. He's not quite that guy either. But it doesn't matter. I mean, Devante Adams is, you could say, he's a top 10,

top 20 receiver. And all these guys, Reggie, Randall a nice, useful slot guy and could be good with a really good quarterback. Who seems to vanish for games at a time. Everyone's wasted. Martell's Bennett, he's been, even before Aaron Rogers got hurt, he was not a factor. I just think that the

Packers are done. They're cooked. Well, that's a tease for later. But Matthew Stafford and the Lions would have been very difficult to be in this game regardless because of the way their offense was playing. Not one punt. Right. That doesn't have anything. For the first time since 1971, the Lions did not have a punt

in a game. Matthew Stafford is so good when he's on. I mean, he is as talented. If it's just a contest of which quarterbacks, if they're protected well, can make the prettiest and biggest variety of throws. Stafford is right there, I think, with Aaron Rogers as the best quarterback in the league.

You talking turkey hole? You talking turkey hole? I mean, he can stick it in the turkey hole. That's for sure. Countdown great. Family podcast. Please. No, but he can.

He throws it between the corner and the safety. John Gruden was obsessed with it during the game. brought it up a bunch of times. Turkey hole this, turkey hole that. We have it, actually. I call that the turkey hole. Don't ask me why. Let me show you what the turkey hole is.

It's the turkey hole. It's the area when the corner rolls up, there's a hole between the safety and the corner. It's not an easy throw. You've got to be able to rifle it in there, Sean. And I had a quarterback here in Green Bay who was able to do that at a high level. Brett Farby's talking about, of course. Mark, strangely, this got on your radar.

Yes or no? Not this so much as the North Dakota. a strong bit from last week. I know that you heavily produce these shows and you want to go in with a couple items that, but I sometimes think, and I like Gruden a lot, but it's like you can't every week come out

with like a hashtag phrase that becomes like a cultural sensation. It was trending national. But everything trends during Monday night football. I get it, but it's just like. A big grumb. He's done it every week. Oh, so you define North Dakota Strong

as a sexy catchphrase? No, it's not sticking with me. And then he's saying it was to be DeNeil Hunter. Like he says crazy stuff. You know why I like turkey hole. Turkey hole is different. I love John Madden. Like turkey hole is great.

Again, this sport is a mystery, even to the people like us that cover it for a living. And who knew turkey hole before John Gruden started yelling about it? And then it's like, now you know some more internal lingo behind the scene. I like it. I'm not grumpy about this game. My big winner, the parabolic mic guy, he got some great sound. I'll tell you, these games that are at 10 a.m. on the West Coast on CBS, a litany of like two camera setups where you're not even close to the

field. I love the way these games are produced. There's 80 cameras, and the Parabolic Mike guy caught Stafford shouting out Marriota, Marriota before snaps, which I thought that was super cool. And my one thing is if you're going to pay billions of dollars to produce these games, why is every game on Sunday not looking just as beautiful as Sunday night football, Monday night football? What is the issue?

Go out and get six. You have the budget in theory. This is your number one product. It's the highest rated thing on TV. Get an extra 10, 12 cameras and make it beautiful. Handpower. It's one game. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, this is your blue ribbon product. Get it done.

They also do have, I mean, I don't want to get on your point. They have parabolic mics. I'm saying it's also, it looks like a high school game, some of these CBS early show. What an attack is. It doesn't make any sense. Go watch 12 hours a game pass where it's like you couldn't be farther from the field. over and over. The Lions are one team that did take advantage.

We mentioned McCarthy didn't do anything coming out of the buy. They put up almost 500 yards. They have looked like a different offense coming out of their buy. And they've got an easy schedule coming up, including your Browns this week. And I think the Lions got a chance. I think they have a chance to be a little relevant. And Stafford and Tate are about as entertaining as it gets. Marvin Jones.

Like watching this team. I think they're a fun team to watch. Yeah, they are. How about Golden Tate's catch on the sideline? His footwork was amazing. And yet they will fatally. fall apart at some point at some point they will but i think they're soft still like that for that first and goal and they they don't know how to punch a ball in like right they don't really have all

the pieces to be maybe a deep january team but they they are fun they're a little better and they're going to finish ahead of the packers we're going to have a different division winner whether it's the lions or the vikings this year and you know that brings me to a point of sunday night football coming up in a couple weeks and and and it's really gotten on my radar here that we need to, as a group, and our listeners need to do something as a group to stand up and do something about it. Oh, tell us more, Greg.

Yeah. Not really on my radar. It's more something that I feel, it's more something that I feel like is, I think it was Hans Christian Anderson that once said, Be the Change. Our producer? There we go, that you want to see in the world.

We can change the Sunday night football matchup in two weeks. Right now it's Packers, Steelers. and the NFL will tell you, well, that game's still going to get good ratings. Sometimes the health of the sport and the entertainment of your fans is more important than ratings. The Saints and the Rams are playing that Sunday night. These two teams, that's 2017 football in a nutshell. Saints, Rams, we can change it. Tell your congressmen.

Happy election day. Mr. politician, one question. What is it that you're actually going to do to change it? I am going to pressure the NFL. The people have the power part. I just want your action steps versus assuming this alone is going to make it happen. If the congressman doesn't work, you tweet at the NFL with the hashtag flex NOL. That's N-O-L-A.

I was thinking to go on a no-pack-no, but that seemed negative. Maybe the NFL won't listen to that. They're not going to listen either way. They're going to listen. Flex Nola, throw it in your hashtag at the NFL. This is the movement. I'm with you. Anytime you can.

improve that Sunday night game that we are here for until roughly two in the morning. I will happily do it. Resist the Packers. Take them down. Hashtag Flex Nola. Love it. It just makes sense, people. Make it happen.

Let's do some news. All right. Here we go. James Winston is going to miss multiple weeks for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who have decided to shut down their quarterbacks. who have decided to shut down their quarterback. Dark Cutter told reporters on Monday this coming after that disaster against Nola on Sunday. Winston left the game at halftime after aggravating the shoulder injury. He heard it a month ago.

So Winston's out for the next few weeks. This is a two and six team. Also, no Mike Evans, who's now been suspended for that cheap shot against Latimore of the Saints. When Winston, of course, was involved, he kind of started. it and then Evans ended it. He somehow was not kicked out of the game, but he will be suspended. He is appealing that suspension. So a great, great season for the Hard Knocks squad this year.

Yeah. I mean, look at the way that this offense now, the offense, the defense, the entire team has been just falling apart. And you know who they're playing next week, Dan? Who? Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to be playing the judge. Of course I know that. Pretty great.

Save it for Thursday. But yes, I'm very excited. It cannot be deemed the Fitzmagic revenge game because the Jets paid him $12 million. Yeah, I keep hearing that on Twitter. It's like, what is your upset? Why are you upset with this employer that just paid you a bathtub full of money? Yeah. By the way, did you guys see before we move on?

Forget about the bucks. I don't want to talk about the bucks anymore. But unless you guys want, is anybody like hot about the bucks? I think we've set our piece on this team. That's annoying. But did anybody see James Winston's pregame speech? I think we all did. Everybody did.

Society did. Just to listen in on this and watch us on the video show. I want everybody to look at me. I'm going to pass this to corn. I thought I say one thing. Let's go. Oh, God. That's a W.

That's E1. That's E1. That's a W. How many people want to eat a W tonight? I'm going to eat a W. The face in the background is open. Deshaun Jackson. Yeah, D. Jackson looks completely lost.

The other thing that didn't make sense to me. And yes, everyone's seen it. If you haven't seen it, pause the podcast and check it out now. the way it starts. So he creates the W in his mouth and then says, let's eat the W. That's what I, like, I'm trying to, why doesn't it work? There's a lot of reasons why it doesn't work. But he's like, he puts his fingers in his mouth and then comes out with the W hand gesture

and then says, let's eat the W. That was weird. How about this? Half the people in that circle can't see what he's doing. So you've already lost the hand gesture that didn't make sense even if you can see it. Well, I think, yeah, in general, just sticking your hand in your mouth and is, not a way to inspire people. It's always going to be a little silly.

Hey, I'm eating. He's a little silly. Go ahead. No, please. Please do it, Greg. He almost did it. Oh, that was. No.

I should tell him to do it. Does it bother you, Greg? I know it's been, you've been on the Winston train. Team Treb train is off the tracks. Winston train not quite off the tracks, but this has not been a good look for him. He's 23 years old. He's going to have ups and downs. He's definitely, he's not like he's Peyton Manning or Tom Brady going to

have that kind of career. I still think he's going to be great. Did that speech, like, spook you at all? No. A little bit, though. Just a tiny bit, like, spook? A little bit. He spooked a little bit by it. I think we got to, I mean, he's kind of a wacky guy. We like, we see that he's really into the motivations. They can all be winners. Exactly. It's like, I think he's probably spent the night, like, thinking, oh, this is going to be good.

This is going to go over well with my teammates. I'm James Winston. And then it just, it felt utterly flat. Yeah. Moving on, more quarterback news, this involving in Minnesota Vikings. They will be activating Teddy Bridgewater to the 53-man roster this week, but the team is now talking about the possibility that Sam Bradford will be placed on injured reserve.

This according to Team Source's ESPN reported it. First, a final decision has not yet been made, but Bradford was not in the facility on Tuesday, but he did, or he is meeting with Dr. James Andrews. Never good news to further examine. and that injured left knee. And Colleen, this is one of those weird things because he played so well in Monday night football in week one.

And then we learned as that week progressed, that he had the bad knee. He came back a few weeks later, didn't re-injure it, but played so poorly. He was clear he wasn't right. And now they're talking about IR, and it just makes you think that this is something,

a serious injury that there might not be a cure for. And that would be obviously a worst-case scenario. Yeah. And if they put him on IR, then he has to be there for eight weeks. so he's going to end up missing the rest of the season, but his contract is up at the end of the season. So is that really the best thing for them to do?

I mean, I don't know about the rest of his career. I mean, this sounds like something that's a degenerative knee condition that there's not an easy solution to and they're trying to avoid surgery. But I think it's fair to say that San Bradford is worried about his future football. Yeah, I don't think the future with the Vikings. is really relevant at this point. I don't think they see him as anything beyond the patch he was. Not tragic, but it's just such a sad thing for Sam Bradford in terms of luck

that literally the best performance of his career preceded this. That was it. The best performance of San Bradford's career was followed up days later by this injury popping up. We were so excited. Arguably the only memorable performance of his career. And it's not a knock on, I mean, I guess it is. but it's like Sam Bradford, a workman-like quarterback who won some games.

I can't remember any of them other than a tie. I think he was in with the Niners when the Niners were still good. But that opener was the best thing he's produced. He's had a weird career. He was a former number one overall pick and was a disappointment. And then last year, I think he set the record for completion percentage. And then this year, the season started so well. And to your point, Greg, I think they'd have a chance.

If you had 2016 Sam Bradford on this team, they could be a Super Bowl contender. well that's not going to happen moving on josh gordon uh is back in the nfl uh the browns announced monday that their long lost wide out will report to the team on tuesday uh to meet with officials um from the organization following his reinstatement the nfl announced last wednesday gordon was reinstated on a conditional basis by rog with the ability to quote join the browns to attend team meetings engage in conditioning work and individual workouts the earliest he could turn is week 13 against the charges. Mark, what do you take out of this? I mean, we just, if you're watching the video version of this show, they just showed a highlight of him catching deep strikes from Jason Campbell. That's how long it's been since he's been really relevant in the NFL. And honestly, the story that came out yesterday from GQ where he talked about the fact that he's, yeah, I mean, I'm really kind of rooting for Josh Gordon, not from a Brown's angle at all, but he talked about the fact he has a two-year-old daughter now,

and that he, before all this, that he played almost every game he can ever remember, either, you know, having been slightly drunk or high or a combination of the two. Before the games. Before the games. And you know what? NFL and college. And he pointed out, and I think he's absurd about this, that he's not alone, that there are other players doing. And I think that he probably feels like all along that he's been singled out.

But he's also, you know, and he acknowledges us in the piece, too. He made tons of mistakes. He never really took, I guess, his sobriety seriously on any level. And he is the guy that made the decision to go back into rehab last October. And so the point is, you hope that whole thing is progress in his life. The football version of Josh Gordon, I think it's fair to say, I won't say anyone should rely on anything until we see it. It just simply, it doesn't matter until it happens.

Yeah, I thought from that GQ piece, it was really interesting about him talking about how he had something in his system for every single game he would take shots maybe before a game he would drink like half a glass of alcohol take a giant bomb rip like people smell that on him but so they let them out conceal the smell on his clothing even if you're a home game you stay in a team hotel and then they release you back to your residence for two three hours or whatever and you come back and he would go home and do it yeah not at the hotel and he'd clean himself up you know smell wise i guess before he got back but he he said that every time he went to rehab before this last time he was doing it for other people or he was doing it for the wrong reasons.

He was doing it because, you know, he wanted to play football again or he was doing it for his coaches or his teammates or, you know, his family. But this time he was doing it for himself because he actually thought that he was going to end up killing himself. And so, you know, you just hope that he can really get himself back on track this time. Addiction, man. It's no joke. All right.

Finally in the news, hey, good news for a wide receiver. Another wide receiver of the Steelers, Juju Smith-Juster. got his driver's license. He doesn't have to ride his bike. I don't need the bike no more. Although I think he should stick with the bike because he's getting a lot of juice off the bike. If he goes to car now,

he won't nearly have the... You're just a normal civilian, right? Right. That was the whole thing. I feel like if we were covering high school football, like a player getting their driver's license would be a big news update. It's a little strange to be discussing this

for an NFL player, but to each his own. You told a good story in our pre-prod meeting, which is not to be confused with our coffee Danish meeting ahead of the Fork segment. So many meetings. Your first experience with a license did not go too well. No, well, I mean... Famously a terrible driver, Mark.

I am a terrible driver. I don't even really drive at this point to begin with. But this was like ages ago, and it was a snowy morning when I had to take the written and drive-driven version of my driver's test, which I was petrified because you had to get at least 12 out of 16 right to advance onto the driving side. I got 12 right on the nose at some computerized program. And then I had to drive around Danbury, Connecticut, which I'd never driven in my life, basically. It was, like, busy streets and crazy ambulances with this, like, guy, probably barely past that version of it.

Barely past that. And then on the way home, my dad was, he was, like, very proud. He said, you know, great job. He's like, why don't you drive home from here? And I thought, okay, and it was, again, it was like slick, snowy streets. About 10 minutes into this, like, slick snowy streets. Into this winding. Hey, dad, come back to us.

Well, no, he was, you know, it's like, you're a guy now. You have a driver's license. why would dad drive you home? I totally get the point of view. I got into a splendor bender in the middle of nowhere with this car that had been parked for like 20 yards. Somehow I hit it. And then my dad drove home the rest of the way,

and I thought, this was an epic disaster. And I didn't really drive again. I didn't want to tell my friends that I had the license because I was a little older than a lot of people in my grade. So I had one of the first people to get a car, but it's like, I'm not going to play a carpool guy every weekend. That was the downside of you got the license. I didn't either, but I had a friend who got his license earlier and we just always get a banked car.

Although it's less of a deal for that guy because he's not just hitting parked cars all over the place. Here's one of my favorite Mark Sessler car-related fun facts. Mark, we've known each other for over seven years now. We've worked together for seven years. I have been in a car fewer times with you driving than the number of accidents you've been in that time. Wow. I listen, I've taken myself off the road. I'm just not a good driver, and I'm okay with that.

I think I drove you four blocks to a car repair shop to get your car. That's it. Yeah. No. Was that it? Yes, that's it. I handled that task correctly. There's no issues with that one.

All right. That's what's happening. Oh, so congratulations. Juju. That's what's happening in the news. All right, it's time. Oh, hop on those shoulders. Uh-oh.

Because we're going to find out who's got the shoulders of greatness. Presented by head and shoulders. our Thursday night preview, and yes, this is a NFC West matchup between the Arizona Cardinals and Seattle Seahawks in Glendale, Arizona. Is it Glendale? Yeah, correct. Nailed it. Your thoughts on this game, Greg Rosenthal.

Well, this is the game where we can maybe put the Cardinals to rest, and they'll be talked about in a little bit. One of many four-and-four teams in the NFL, which, you just don't take seriously, which is how I view them with through Stanton. Now, they do have Adrian Peterson running pretty well. It's like, depends on the week, whether you believe in him or not. But I don't know. I have a hard time seeing them putting the ball into the end zone against the Seahawks.

I feel like it's a little bit of a trap gamey scenario for Seattle because it's in Arizona. And I could see these games are always strange. Sure, this has been a good rivalry the last five years. It has. And it's the two best teams in November since 2013. And that includes some bad Cardinals teams that, you know, kind of rose up during that month. So I don't know. I think the thing is the key is stopping Russell Wilson.

No quarterback in the league is being leaned on harder through the air. It's like really the only type of offense they have right now or him on the ground. Got the running game going a little late in that game. Yeah, but most of it was him. I would say, I think they maybe found a little something late in that game. Pete Carroll could feel good about with Thomas Rawls that maybe Eddie Lacey getting hurt, you know, proves that Michael. Like that Michael Lombardi phrase that sometimes you're one injured. away from getting better.

And I think that could be it. And we were just watching on the video show all the highlights from Adrian Peterson, who he had 37 carries in this game. That's a career high for him. So I'm wondering if he... Five days later, yeah. I mean, yeah, like the recovery standpoint there on a short week with all that volume. But also the Cardinals front seven played a really good game last week.

And you're going up against a bad offensive line again with Seattle. So like Carlos Dansby was awesome in this game. Yeah. So that's going to be a tough one. for Russell Wilson. They're talented enough, unlike the Packer. Like, I've been waiting for this Cardinals' defense to be a little better this year.

Like, they're more talented than the Packers in terms of maybe the defense could carry a poor quarterback. Redskins held the Seahawks without points on the first drive, 10 drives last game. Then the floodgates open. But I do think that you can game plan

and stop this offense, and we've seen it multiple weeks for quarters at a time with Seattle. Drew Stanton was okay in the start last week, and he'll probably have to be a little better than okay to beat the Seahawks. But Earl Thomas is still a question mark. You missed that game.

We saw how vulnerable the secondary is there, their inability to get a stop at the end of the game against the Redskins. So that will make a major difference. And you would think on a short week, and the last thing the Seahawks want to do is have Earl Thomas reagravate a hamstring injury that maybe they gave him another week. We'll see.

But that would be a big difference in this game too. Dwayne Brown really helped the Seahawks. I mean, the rest of the line struggled, but he played well. Now he's going up against Chandler Jones. Like, I think he's going to make a difference for this. Those could be the shoulders of great. He's got some great shoulders, Duane.

They had 14. Well, I think, in that Redskins game. They have got to. They cannot do that every week. Right. They have a guy in their team, Germain Afetti, I believe, has four more penalties than any other offensive linemen in the league.

Bad shoulders? At some point, I don't know. You got to do something. You got to take him out or you can do something. Blair Walsh is also, he will be the kicker for the Seahawks. Connie Fox just said he had bad. Head shoulders seemed a little bit of a cheap shot. Bad shoulders.

No. Previous field goals. I thought that'd be all over your radar. Yeah, no, no, it is. It's all over my radar. But he needs to have a good game or they're going to get rid of. Well, this is the rematch of one of the most famous games of last year, which had some key. Wild field goals.

Yep. I hope it's not like that again. That's true. All right. There is your Thursday night football preview. The shoulders. Oh, yes. What is that?

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So they gave them a lifetime warranty. Wow. Like the Husky ratchet with a 100-position ratcheting design and 10% longer handle that's standard ratchets to do, but other ratchets can't. You're really into that ratchet, huh? Or the virtually unbreakable Husky flashlight with the ability to withstand a 30-foot drop

and work in up to one meter of water submersion. If we're talking water damage, do they go to the meter system? I'm confused. Maybe that's a good question. What's up with this ad copy, Fulton? People don't use meter in this country. Why are we not using feet? I don't know.

I didn't make it. Just like you always say every time someone criticizes you about the copy, I just read what's told. Oh, yes. I just print what's sent. My, this is, thank you, Lindsay. One point, photon. My question for you is we need to get in touch with the Husky people to see if they have abandoned the measurement that we use in this country. Copy that. I'm on top of it.

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That's great. Learn more at www.huskytools.com. Husky. Common sense tools since 1924 with hand tools guaranteed for a lifetime found only at the Home Depot. All right. We'll say one week ago, Greg tried to take all the mails down and Colleen with them in this room about the fact that none of us have the brawn or the wherewithal to use any sort of a hand tool that we need to hire another mail to do that. It's still waiting for that sign to be put up in this room. That's the proof. But Dan, that stood on Dan's radar to the fact that we've had multiple discussions

and it's gotten a little testy at times about this. I will say Dan read that copy better than the other three podcasts that I've heard over the last few weeks that had the same copy. So I really liked it. Greg deflecting. There was, yes, there was a, it came out that Greg doesn't own a toolbox.

What? So maybe we have some tools. I don't think there's a whole box. Wow. I'll leave it there. All right, here we go. Let's move on. It is time.

Ladies and gentlemen, you know, we should get in touch with your lovely wife. Maybe you should use a toolbox. A man should have a toolbox. Yeah, you can borrow mine. A gift if you want. She does, you know, we rent, first of all. And then second of all, she really takes care of. You still need tools if you have a rental.

You're renting a house. He's saying he rents a house. No, I was going to say you rent tools. That seems overly complex. But they're still upkeep for a house. That's where I get surprised. Don't you hang stuff on the wall or, like, like, fix things that are falling apart? We've tried.

You're not going to get anywhere with this. She mostly takes care of that sort of thing. Greg, I appreciate your confidence in your manhood. It's okay if the wife handles it. I don't need to do it, you're saying. That's good. She's better at it. Let's move on.

It is time, yes. Finally, at long last, let's stick a fork in some teams. Stick a fork in them. Stupid. So stupid. All right. So now, if you're new to the show, newest to the show, we need to give a little background what the stick of Forkenham series is. This is, listen, it's respectful, but it's also we keep it real.

We keep it real. It's only week nine going into week 10 now. But the hard truth is only, Greg, 12 teams make the playoffs. That's right. And that means 20 teams, 20? 30 minutes yes 20 teams will be outside in the cold

and let's be honest at least half those teams they're already dead in the water before we get to the second half of the season that's what we're going to talk about today we've been doing it for a few years now and last year how do we do last year do you remember

we decided right around this time last season we sent about 8 to 10 teams I think to the meat grinder did we get burned last year Yeah, the Texans, I believe, definitely burned us. I would say if you're a fan of any of the teams that we fork, if you choose to not lose total hope, there are facts to back that up,

because every single year we have a team or two that we get wrong. I think there was one year where we played it fairly safe, and you guys were very angry about that. Well, because you need to go out on a limb at some point. You can't wait until Christmas Eve to decide that a team that has, four wins isn't making the playoffs. True. Right. You know, come on.

This is supposed to be the official end of their season, and we're wrong every year. Yeah, no one from these teams or their fan base should be concerned at all about our ruling today. You should be concerned because that means you're not having a great season, but it doesn't mean to give up hope. You know what I mean? It just, you don't want to be brought up in this conversation.

Right. But don't be so sensitive. Yeah, calm down. And one last note, if we do get a team wrong, We will make a charitable donation. We promise to the city where that team plays. And I thought just because Colleen has over three shows, and then although we haven't had these discussions,

probably makes more money than us, Colleen will be making. I don't know. I'm a woman. So, sorry. That's a sad truth as well. But we're still going to go with you, Colleen. Colleen will make a charitable donation this year. I'm just me. On top of it being a sad truth that she's female,

I didn't quite track that common other. Payscale. Females make less money. Oh, well, no, Colleen is making more than probably the three of us combined. I don't know. That's fantastic. Good for her. So thank you, Colleen, for all this.

Now, how do we decide? It's okay, Colleen. No one ever actually follows through with this. I'll make a donation. Empty promise we have. Mark, now this is when we discuss how we get to this. We decide. We have to get together.

And how do we do it? We meet first thing in the morning. I'm talking 5 a.m. Early. We beat the roosters to this conference room at a local holiday inn. There's Danish, Kwaffe. Holiday it. A Tater Tots.

A Jewish delicacy, Greg, a famous one. Lox. We get some locks there. Kinnish, maybe a little Knoosh. And we get together. Did I say Kwofi? You said Kof. You did.

Yes. A little orange juice. And we decide which teams get forked. And what we did today in the service of saving some time, there are seven teams that we all decided over Danish, Greg, that were, don't even get the discussion. You don't even get the enjoyment of hearing us talk about your teams. That's the problem.

Yeah. No, you're not, yeah, it's just, it's, we all unanimously agree. I mean, it's, it's, then we're not breaking any news here that the 49ers. And the Brown. Right, it's self-evident that some of these teams don't. need a lot of chatter. Here are, we call this the damned seven. Ooh.

The Cleveland Browns. The San Francisco 49ers. The New York Giants. The Jeanne. The Indianapolis Colts. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Houston Taxas. Chicago Bears.

So it's like kind of a brogue that you have. But not really? Kind of. Who would have thought that the Texans and Bucks don't even merit a discussion? We're sorry. As I read it, I was surprised. But that we all, two and six, they're starting quarterbacks out for a few weeks. I mean, it's been a bad year.

There's no hope for the Bucks. And the Texans, you were potentially a Super Bowl contender if J.J. Watt and Deshaun Watson were still playing. But they're not. Tom Savage is not saving your season. Although that's what we said about Brock Osweiler at this point last year. Yes, we got them absolutely incorrect. last year. Tom Savage may be real, but the playoff chances for his team, not real.

They're not. Vastly less real. Bears fans could make a case that we're short-circuiting them a little. They're feisty. They've got a defense. Crazier things have happened. In their hearts, they know we're right. But when you're three and five, you basically got to go six or seven out of eight down the stretch.

I don't think the bears are doing that. Now, part two of this exercise, we're going to each nominate two teams. for discussion. General discussion, again, to be forked, it has to be unanimous forking to fork this right. So Mark, get us going, nominated a team. All right, I'm going to nominate a team

that should have been, I think, in the damned eight if we had not had damn seven. And that is the Cincinnati. They didn't have the same ring, you know? Doesn't have the same ring. Neither that this team does not have a playoff ring. They don't have anything in their books that I enjoy at all.

They're hard to watch. The offense of the Bengals, is putrid. The defense has a little bit going on, but what does that mean when your team is getting, when Andy Dalton is getting taken to the turf 14 times a game?

Didn't have anything going on in Jacksonville. I'm telling you, this team could have been four, three weeks ago. They're on my radar all season long, and they're out of my life now. It should have happened a week ago, two weeks ago, three weeks ago.

I didn't believe in them before the season. You're gone. Bengals, you're out. Well, not out. You're nominating them to be. I will lose trust for anyone that fights for this team. All right, let's talk about it.

Does anyone... Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. Well, I'm tempted to just for the value of seeing what happens to Mark if I go for the... Good point. I mean, I'll live. But that's also not treating the segment

with any sort of dignity. Well, Greg's used to do on that. Look, I created this segment so I can make any rules I want on it. Here we go. I'm saying... That was on a different platform. No, but I mean, I did it here too.

Okay. What else? All right. The idea was you're saying the season is totally over. And could the Bengals rally? They do have some talent. Probably not. But what's crazier things have happened?

So you're going to keep them alive. Outside of the making it very clear that you created the segment, what else do you have to offer on the Bengals? I'm just saying, yeah, I guess I'll keep them. Okay. Dan's begging me too. It really wasn't going to. Okay. Well, no, if you don't believe in it, don't keep him alive.

Yeah, if you do, I just want you to actually believe it. Are you cratering under dance peer pressure right now, Greg? No, Greg created the game, so no one will affect him. I'm just saying. My game. I'm not saying that. I'm Greg. You're saying if anyone.

You're lucky I'm letting you even use the wording of this game. I have the fork. On two platforms. Go ahead. Go ahead with what? Are you going to fork him or not? No, yes. No, we can fork him.

Okay. Forkham. Forgham. I think that might affect also a Greg sandwich bet, if I recall. Uh-oh. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm re-watching the Bengals game yesterday. They are so lifeless. You pointed one great thing out. When they kneel on the ball to end the game when you're losing, how am I supposed to think that you've got some fighting? Great point. They still can't get Joe Mixon going. It's like, I just, I don't get the offense.

Colleen, you're up. All right. I'm going to go with the dolphins in this one. You need to nominate them. I'm nominating. Yeah. I'm going with my following protocol, Greg. This is up to standards.

Okay, cool. I'm nominating the dolphins. A little salty and everybody a little salty today. I like it. They're coming off their best offensive performance of the year. But don't, I mean, pay no mind to that at all. The offense is still on pace to be the worst offense statistically in team history.

They're last in so many different categories, points per game, yards per play, big plays, offensive touchdowns. I mean, this team just, it stinks. There's nothing that makes me optimistic when I'm watching them. And they get rid of Jha Jai, and I know that they're two backs. They did okay and they looked good,

but I cannot get behind this team. Last year, especially in that division. Last year I saved us from making a charitable donation to the city of Miami, a real hero move by me. Wow. because the Dolphins are nominated this time last year.

And I said, no, let's give it a few weeks. And I feel the same way about this Dolphins team. Do I believe in Jay Cutler? No. But do I believe in the AFC, especially the back end of the AFC, not at all. So if the Dolphins at 4 and 4 right now, they're the seventh seed right now, if the season ended today, they wouldn't make the playoffs. But they're right outside the playoffs. This is saying they have no hope whatsoever making the playoffs.

Can I say they have no chance? I can't say that. Well, we could just play it safe with all the teams. How about we do that? Well, I like that response, like that attitude. There's only four teams in the AFC that even have five plus wins right now. I do remember one year where I think I tried to kill the segment by saying let's fork everyone and it worked. Three teams came back to get at us, but I guess it didn't kill the second.

Well, we have three straight prime time games to watch the Dolphins, so lucky us. Another one. Oh, yeah, they're in Carolina Monday night. I'm blocking this four. but am I alone? Do you got, Greg and Mark? Just because of the AFC thing, I just, one of these weird, crappy teams is going to make some sort of a run.

And the Dolphins did it last year. They were just as lost this time last. I would think the Bengals to me would be more likely to make a run than the Dolphins of all teams. I would go to the Bengals. So I would fork them, I'm saying, by that logic. Bengals are gone. But two out of four is not going to get it done. I'm sorry, Colleen, do not take it out on us personally.

Okay. You can have the Dolphi. I think the 31st best team in the league, according to football outsiders, before last week, which they weren't too bad. That might have been one of their better games. All right. I will nominate a team now, and I'm going to go big, go home, situation. Go big or go home, they say. Right.

I ain't going home. I'm going big. So I'm going to nominate the defending NFC champion Atlanta Falcons. Now, they like the dolphins are four and four. They are eighth seed right now. One game out of the playoffs. One game out of the playoffs. All that checks out.

So I'm basing this more on just what I've seen from this team. And this team, to me, doesn't have it. Whatever it is, I don't think this team has it. I think the offense is legitimately lost. And I think there will be changes in the leadership after this season. I don't think it's something that gets fixed. I don't think the Falcons are going to the playoffs. So I see them as a 500 team.

that they'll continue to scuffle and disappoint and put up 20-point games, and I don't think they're going to find it in the second half. That's why I nominate them, and I understand if it's going to get blocked here, but I'm just going to put it out there now that I think I've seen enough of Atlanta to say, this ain't their year. You have my vote because it's not just that they don't seem to have it. So many other teams in the NFC right now are starting to get their sea legs under them. I think the Falcons get, I can seem as an 8-and-8 team that misses the party,

and I know it's a little bit edgy. They're four and four, but yes, you have my vote. The schedule is a strong case against them because they have the Cowboys, the Seahawks, they have the Saints twice. They've had the easier part of their schedule already. They have the Panthers coming up to again. And the Vikings.

That's a lot of the top teams, basically all the teams in front of them. You could look at it like they're in trouble. Then again, they at least can take out the teams in front of them. They've played too well for me to discount them. I definitely will keep them alive. Okay. I wouldn't lock them.

I'm with you on it. You would block them. I would fork them. I would fork them. I would fork them. I'm with you on this. I mean, we have zero predictive value in general, but this was the team we thought maybe has the best roster in the entire NFL going into the season we talked about in this podcast. And they're four and four. Even their wins haven't been good, though. I mean, you look at the win over the jets. That wasn't convincing. And they barely beat the bears, right? They've been bad at home. They looked so shook against the Patriots. Disappointing, Greg, you're going to keep them alive. Let's see if you save us or if we're left smarting. I'll keep them alive.

Luck is the most important factor in a team's schedule. They get a little lucky. They can make a run. All right. Greg, nominate somebody. I will nominate, and I know because you're sitting to my left, Dan, this will be tough. But in Mark's idea of being a little bolder in predicting, I'm going to nominate the New York Jets. Oh, dude.

You've been a nice story, but people making a. case that oh they've been playing pretty well they've lost three out of four they unlike almost anyone that we're bringing up has five losses so they essentially have to run the table saving one loss maybe nine wins get you in they probably have to go six out of six out of seven they're not a good team they're a team that plays hard but they do nothing well in particular there's a reason that they're buried on the football outsider's efficiency you know in the final seven or eight teams because they're a team that's mostly playing over their heads and if they play to their Best ability, I think they can get to eight wins.

And so that's not enough. I don't think they have any chance of winning six out of seven games down the stretch when you have, what do you have? The Patriots. Well, the schedule's rough. You have the Patriots twice. You have some possible wins, but you have the Patriots twice. You have the Chiefs once. They should have beaten the Patriots in that game and weren't for the officials.

Well, it could have been. I'm just saying. Oh, yeah, they would have been a lock to win the game if they closed the game of three. But I'm saying that they played the Patriots tougher than any. anyone have expected. They play the Bucks this week. They can get to 5 and 5. Not a human being on the planet.

But the Bucks game, it proves my point, I think, which is that would anyone really be that surprised if the Jets lost to the Bucks? Is any game a lot? I wouldn't be surprised if almost any team outside of three teams loses to anyone. That's this NFL season. To me, their best case scenario is about 8 and 8, so I'm not, I would feel totally confident in forking them. These are the teams that are ahead of the Jets right now.

The Raiders 4 and 5, the Ravens 4 and 5. the Dolphins 4 and 4. So it's like, it's not like... Those teams are all out of the playoffs. You need to pass them and then get into the playoffs. All right. Well, that's obviously a good point. But, okay, you have the Titans.

They're a division leader. You have the Jaguars at 5 and 3. I'm not worried about the other team. I'm worried about the Jets. I don't think the Jets are good enough. You just asked me to bring up the teams that we're in the... Right. I'm just saying they're not going to pass teams because they're not going to win enough games.

All right. That's fair. I'm obviously going to block you, but not because I'm a homer and more because I don't believe in really 90% of the teams in the league. So anytime you look at the schedule, oh, it looks like a tough schedule. But it's like, well, we'll see. We'll see what happens down the stretch. Right.

It's the same way that Mark was betting against the Bengals. To me, they both have five losses. You just think they're not a very good team. I think the Jets are a better team than the Bengals. Let's start right there. And the AFC could easily send an eight-wing team into the wild card round. And the Jets, and I know it's, you can look at all the metrics and they're not wrong and all that stuff.

But it's like everyone had them losing to the bills on Thursday night. And they wax the bills, a team that we've been called beautifully coached and playing above their heads. If Jets take them out. If they play like that the rest of the season, they have a chance. That was the anomaly. That was by far their best game of the season.

And we'll see if they build on it. Put it this way. I'm not with you, Greg. But if they do go to Tampa and lay an egg against Ryan Fitzpatrick. Well, then, of course, their season's over. Then you're four and, then you're, yeah. It's a team on paper that shouldn't be doing what it's doing right now, but it does it every week.

It's surprising. And I think you tweeted about it, Dan. You said that they're a really good, bad team. They are. And that's so true when you watch them. And that's a lot. It's a weird year. All right, one more time.

We've got to kind of move. Colleen has her meeting. I have a meeting. I got to go to. Go ahead, Mark. I will go Ravens. And look, the Ravens. You will what?

I will nominate the Baltimore Ravens. And it's not just that I'm trying to eliminate the entire AFC North. But the Ravens, to me, have an unwatchable, unfixable offense. The one concern is in 2000. 2012, they looked about this bad at points and then suddenly became a Super Bowl team. I just don't see that with this. I like their defense in every other game, basically. But the Ravens, to me, get left out of this party.

Their offense is going to sink them. I like what you're going for here, Mark. Cincinnati and Baltimore, you want all the teams in the AFC North to be as forked as the Cleveland Browns. That's what this is about is. Well, the Browns are forked by, like, Halloween, every single year that I work here. So I could care less about that. But your point being is that it's a terrible. It's an overrated division, and if you just started fresh with football this year,

people would not think highly of the Ravens the way that they do because of what they've done in the past, which is fair. Let's go around. Colleen, your thoughts on them. Fork them. I can't stand the offense. It's so boring to watch. They can't get anything done. This team is not playing in the second week of January. It's not happening.

I'm forking them. I'll keep them alive. Really? Yeah. I mean, they're the Ravens. They have a defense. They have something going for them. Why not?

Is that another shot at Mark? No. I think they have a good defense, too, but I just don't, they're not a playoff team in my book. Like, well, that's, the point is we're always looking backwards. We have no clue what's going to happen forward. Well, what's the point of this exercise? No, I know, but the Ravens are a team that has showed many times that they can improve throughout the season that they have a good coach staff, that they have a defense.

They have something going for them. It's, they would need to get lucky in a really bad AFC. It's the same reason. why Dan is keeping the Jets alive. To me, to say that the Jets, that the Ravens would have no chance to make a little bit of a run from 4 and 5 the same record as the Jets,

it seems a little wild. Here's the difference since you brought up the Jets. The Jets may not do anything extremely well, but they do a lot of things proficiently, and that's why they've been able to hang in all these games. Like what? Play defense, score points. They've been a below average defense for the season,

but below average defense. No, what I'm saying is... Well, Greg's kind of the expert here. I know. I'm saying the Ravens have... Why don't you do this segment by yourself? No, I'm saying the Ravens have a nice defense. They have a top five-hast defense.

You're not letting me finish my point. The Ravens have one of the worst offenses in football. Right. And to me, that's enough for me to say they're just not going to win games because they're not going to score enough points. They have a dreadful offense, and their quarterback and their lack of playmakers, to me, that's a death knell for them. The one concern I'd have, and I'm forking him still,

their schedule is a little light. That's the only difference. But the other teams are looking at the Ravens and saying the same thing about the Ravens. That's the only difference between them and the Jets is I look at them and I see like, well, they got a chance every week and it's the Ravens. I'm sticking with it and it's not happening because Greg's not doing it. Doesn't you fork the Jets? Yes.

That's what I was saying if you look at these two teams and you look at the schedules, I give the Ravens a chance to get from a four and five. It's tough to get from four and five to the playoffs. You pretty much have to get lucky every week. All right. Who's up? Is it? It's Colleen. All right.

I'm going to nominate the Packers. I know it's crazy. I feel like this is the first year that they would be mentioned in this segment. But as we talked about at the top of the show, the offense, they can't score points. We saw Brett Hundley. I mean, Mike McCarthy had two weeks to basically put a game plan together here. And the game plan was for Hundley to just throw all the passes basically at or behind the line of scrimmage. And when he did go deep, it was like he just held on to the ball so long, like Greg said.

I mean, this team, I have no confidence that they're going to be able to gain any ground in the division because now the lions are, they have the tiebreaker. And so they're even with the Packers now in the division with the Vikings on top. They play the Bears this week. I just, I lost any faith in him last night. I just don't think Huntley's going to be able to move the team. He doesn't look ready for that type of responsibility. They don't really have anything to hang their hat on.

They don't have something that gives them hope for them. All right. I will nominate the Super Bowl 50 champions, the Denver Broncos. Now, do they have something you can hang a hat on? Yeah, their defense. It's a great defense. But even that unit has shown some signs of slippage and maybe that's all tied into how the offense is so badly underperformed.

Trevor Simeon's on the bench. Brock Osweiler comes in, and now apparently they're running Brock out for another start. And I don't imagine that's going to go extremely well. I can't believe it. They're three and five with the Patriots up next. And to me, that spells three and six. And then you're getting into that situation, even if it's a down year where nine wins get you in or even a crazier with eight, you still have to almost play flawless football.

I don't think this team has it in them, so I am nominating the Denver Broncos. I will stamp that, yes, with you. A rubber stamp. Rubber stamping that. Rubber stamp. I'm into it as well. I mean, especially after last week against the Eagles,

I thought everybody was talking about the defense and how great it was, and then the Eagles carved them up. Yeah, crazier things have happened than the Broncos making a run. But you've got to pick some teams, and I don't think they're going to be one of those teams. You think they're out? Take a forked. I wouldn't want to anger.

Wow. No, wait a second. I don't want to be like that either. No, it's fine. Yeah. Fork them. You're okay with it. I'm good.

Broncos done. Yeah. Ooh, sorry, Denver. You've had a lot of nice times. Greg, your turn. Carson Palmer went down for the season. The Cardinals season was over. They played, you know, laity-di-da you win in San Francisco.

I'm not too excited about that. There's almost no way in a better conference to imagine Drew Stanton winning enough game. So I nominate the Cardinals. Easy for me, I agree. David Johnson coming back? We're definitely setting the record of forking teams at 500 or within one of 500. We're dancing with the devil yet. There's definitely no way that all of these teams don't make the playoffs.

I would put a sandwich on that someone beats. Well, we're cross-pollinating the games. I like it. Especially after, like, I don't know, Adrian Peterson, he looked really good this past week. I can't really say that the sand. He hasn't gotten out of bed since then. the game but I know I know I'm not going to fork him yet I'm not going to fork him yet I like that Colleen blocking how about that a blockade yeah I'm blocking it it's not actually how

the game works but yeah all right Greg all right I got to go to my meeting I like this all right Colleen's radar scenario I love this has legs um all right so the cardinals do not get blocked all right here yeah in addition to those seven teams from earlier browns niners giants colts bucks Texans and bears we add to that list three more teams for 10 10 out of 30 are done, the Cincinnati bangles, the Green Bay Packers, and the Denver Broncos all forked by the around the NFL podcast. Now, again, we can be wrong. And if we are wrong, Colleen's taken out her purse.

One of those big giant mom pocketbooks from the 80s. Yeah. And she'll dig out her checkbook and she'll cut a big one. Yep. I'm basically new money now. Chargers and Raiders didn't even get mentioned. Yeah, Chargers and Raiders, we kind of discussed. Well, we ran out of time.

Kind of ran out of time, but... We all liked them enough to give them a shot for it. I would just flock the Raiders. Colleen's got to go. And Christian Anderson behind the glass, a very, almost a strangely passionate endorsement in terms of, let's get the Seahawks. Wow.

Forked in Week 9, which is just a wild, wild thing going on there. They were my Super Bowl pick. I would still stick with that. Why not? I like the daringness by Christian, though. Christian, do you want to explain the mania behind that push.

Well, I know it's Greg's game, but I thought this was an instance where you're supposed to kind of go out on a limb and not just choose Marks Brown. So I thought a team that perhaps down the stretch is going to have some trouble, a team that has to play the Eagles at Jacksonville, at Dallas, against the Rams. And they let her cousins go down the field in 35 seconds and four plays. The Legion of Boom is no more. Oh, I like that. That's a playoff run you just mentioned for the Seattle.

Now, Christian, just one more thing, though. Because I know you've already made your formal nomination. Yes. Do you honestly believe the Seahawks have no chance of making the playoffs? I think they have a chance. I just think their chances are not as great as some people make them. So it's more like an onion hanger. If they have a chance, then you don't fork them.

Although then we get really down the weeds because do we really believe none of these teams have even the smallest? Of course we acknowledge it. I sincerely believe all these teams are dead. these 10 teams. Maybe a Legion of Boom, Dan, you know, I know you're a music guy. Maybe they should be sub-pop out of Seattle because they've lost it. Yeah, they're no longer a major label. It's like when Nirvana went to, what was it, Geffen Records.

Yes. Although some people would probably say Nirvana was better when they were sub-pop. I mean, bleach. A little bleach talk on the fire. I like this. We bled into an entirely different production. All right, Christian. That was not accepted as a nomination.

to the greater group. But I think it was important that you got your voice there because we admired it. The, you know, the onions involved, that's all. Christian Anderson, mind the best. Anyone that wants to get on the radar of Seahawks' Twitter, you know, has my sympathy. Yeah, do you have a Twitter handle

that the Seahawks fans can get at you on? You can find me at Chris Anderson 60. Anderson S.E.N. like Hans Christian Anderson. Bring it, right? Yeah. I'm with your little tweets, Seattle, Northwest. I like the Seahawks. Just not this year.

You got to go all the way in now. Irreperable comments by you. You're not, there's no saving you. Understood. The ATN video show that Christian Anderson so finally produces for us will go up live on our website tonight, Tuesday at, hmm, you would think I would remember this. I believe it's 630 Western time or Pacific Time and Western time. 630 old Western time. Okay.

630 Pacific Time. 9.30 Eastern Time overseas. That's your problem. Not hours. It's actually 6 o'clock. Oh, it's 6. So it's good. The way we arranged it, they'd miss at least half the show. All right. So here we go. Start it over.

It is 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific overseas. Still a major logistical problem for you. Half an hour before what you would have had to figure out initially. All right. And so check that out. The ATN video show. It's our Tuesday show every week. It's up on the website.

And we'll be back on Thursday. We will recap the game that we previewed today and then go into a breakdown of all the games in week 10, Mark. Mark, just about over the season now. We're going into the final home stretch. I think now we are at the midpoint everyone is so in love with. I think it's about now. It's maybe after this week.

Is the midpoint? Or after next week. Okay. It's a little confusing. A lot of confusing things on today's show. Let's end it. Let's move forward. That's a great.

Stan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm. The Tiny Box. Yo, boss. Christian Anderson behind the glass and Lindsay Fulton. Until Thursday. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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