NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Super Bowl 50 recap

Episode Date: February 8, 2016

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling, and Marc Sessler – recap all the action from Super Bowl 50, including a storybook ending for Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning in what could be his final game in the NFL, and a dominant performance from Denver’s defense. Plus, the heroes discuss what the Broncos victory means for Manning’s legacy, and how Carolina’s loss will affect this young, talented Panthers team going forward.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast. Got a negative grade from pro football focus. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansus, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Super Bowl Sunday. Super Bowl 50 in the books. We come to you live from KNBR 680 studios, the sports leader of San Francisco. They were kind enough to give us their studio. And let's be honest, we don't know how the back, you know, backroom dealings are between a corpo giant like the NFL and a major radio station. The NFL could have paid millions to set this up. Well, they're the sports leader, 680s. So they might have, maybe they were leading the negotiations.

That's true. But we are here in the studio. We took about an hour ride from Levi's Stadium to the studio to tape our annual Super Bowl post-super Bowl podcast. It is, let's face it. I mean, it's the Super Bowl of podcasts. Presented by and sponsored by Scott Trade. What a guy. It's the third annual post-Super Bowl podcast, I believe.

The first time we've ever done it from radio station. Usually it's up in the press box. It's a little different. We're trying to get some energy. Dan's got the five-hour energy drink, but we're just going to have to be fueled by the hate of Panthers fans everywhere. Yeah. Because I don't drink coffee, when I take a five-hour energy, a shot,

it's basically John Belushi in 1981 for the first two hours of the shot. So I'm okay. Wes is in desperate need of a beer. So that's why we're going to keep things moving today for the sake of Wes. I'm a desperate need of more than one beer. Yes, and Wes, wearing a handsome winter cap right now. West looks absolutely fantastic. I should say we're all suited and booted.

Mark, did you say you had a grievance before we get into anything? Well, a slight grievance. This is a wonderful studio, and we're very happy to be here. But we're situated where the three of you are on one side of the table. I'm about 15 feet away on the other. And Greg refuses to move the screen. So I can't see Greg's face And I said, you know, there's a chemistry issue here

Nah, it doesn't matter So, you know, I have to stand up And then Greg gets to pick between A small set of headphones that fit his head perfectly Or what I'm wearing, which are headphones for like Shaquille O'Neal's sister. So I'm going to be standing up for the next 45 minutes In an attempt to save this Super Bowl show So like any Sessler story, that is filtered through a system

that's so skewed, it comes out 40% different the other way. I was trying to take the worst headset for you, and look, we're, we're... Wes, is this accurate? Well, you start off by saying you're 15 feet away from, like 4 feet away. I would estimate three, three and a half feet away. The Sessler attacks. You also could have been describing my Super Bowl 49 experience. How does it feel being separated from the group in a big spot?

I feel much closer to the pain that you felt that evening now, damn. This show, and it makes sense. sense because if we didn't, we should probably lose our jobs. We'll be focused on the game that was played today. And yes, they have not come up yet in the show, which is remarkable, but the Denver Broncos for the third time

in there, let's face it, rich history are Super Bowl champions that after a victory over the Carolina Panthers 2410, the final. Obviously an upset for the entire week, you know,

everyone in our group except for Mark, picked the Panthers to win. I think most of us picked the Panthers to win handily. And yet the game we saw Greg, and we're going to go through the game kind of quarter by quarter digging in. But the game we saw Greg was nothing like the game we expected. Who knows anything? It wasn't, but it was exactly like the game that the Broncos have shown us the last three weeks.

They have shown, and we were talking about this a halftime. We were talking about this at the third quarter. We keep thinking all of us, even Mark was saying during the game, well, I still expect Panthers to come back. And we thought that Carolina's going to make a comeback. They look like the better team because we think we've been brainwashed that you have to have a quarterback. You have to have a passing game to win in the NFL.

But the Broncos just did it to the three best offenses in the league, basically back to back to back, the same kind of football where they got very little play from the quarterback and their offense. And it didn't matter because their defense and Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware practically won a Super Bowl by themselves. Well, their defense forces teams into mistakes. I think that's one of the difference between them and other great defenses.

Last week, the AFC championship game, they hit Tom Brady as many times as any quarterback in the past decade. And in this game, they hit Cam Newton 13 times, seven sacks tied that 85 bears for the most by any defense in a Super Bowl. That's by far the most, Cam has been hit in the game of the season. He had been hit, I believe, six times at most this year, and it was 13. I think that's, that tells you how swarming that defense is. And Von Miller, Greg said in the AFC championship, championship game was one of the best games he's ever seen by any defensive player in the postseason, and he was just as good in the Super Bowl, if not better.

I think it's a game, too, where we're at the point where we're seeing the 250 stories that have been posted on Twitter at this point, and almost none of them focus on the head coach. I think that Wade Phillips is the star of the evening for the Broncos, but you got to give Kubiak credit because one thing we heard all week was that they said whatever happened two years to go to this Denver Broncos team matters not. and it actually played out tonight they came out so strong out of the gate and they basically talked about the Panthers

as a team that plays ahead and when they're not ahead they get into trouble and that played out tonight so that is and by the way you know I joked about it last week the idea of this one's also for John and I got to give a little credit to Elway

let's face it he brought in Peyton Manning and he was as good to use the Sessler as a coup d'etat bringing in the sheriff to win him a ring or two or three. And he ended up winning a ring with Peyton, but he did it by building a team that won the game without Peyton Manning, which is pretty impressive, considering he did it,

was able to do that when Peyton Manning was making a ton of dough all this time, and it makes it that much harder. You can't write this stuff. I mean, he's the franchise's greatest legend. He got them their two Super Bowls. Pat Bolan is struggling with Alzheimer's disease right now. He utters one of the most iconic phrases in Super Bowl history. This one's for John.

And John comes back as an executive to win one more title for him. And he was the one that did it. I mean, Ware and Talib, obviously Talib had a bad first half in this game, but he played well in the second half and he had a great season. DeMarcus Ware really from start to finish had just about as big a good a game as Von Miller. You wrote about him, Dan, I mean, he had four QB hits, a couple sacks. He didn't have the two force fumbles. Those were the big free agents.

He makes the tough choice to fire John Fox, who was very popular after last season. He brings in his old coaches, Kubiak, and Phillips, and it wins him the title. I mean, you can't write this stuff on Peyton Manning's, what should be his last game. I'll tell you what, by the way. And I don't know if it's because it's better mics in here. These are the best mics we've ever done a pot on. But Greg's voice, it's got a little, like, husk to it. I've lost my voice.

And I am 100% in. One of the quick note, I mean, we've sat across each other for 100%, a thousand shows at this point, we look, we look amazing. Everyone's in suits and ties. Greg looks, Greg is hot. Dan just looks like, I don't know what Dan looks like. I've already commented on Wes. It's an A-plus performance physically and in terms of our dress.

The way Dan is looking at me when I'm bringing out this voice is just something special. You're like Kim Carnes. Can I clear something up on coup versus coup d'etat? Please. Who is the word you're looking for. It's an upset. A coup d'etat is a violent overthrow of a government. Oh.

See, it's a Cesslerism, that's why I don't use it. It's a fair distinction by Wes. And Mark, because he's standing, which is making everyone a little bit uncomfortable, you do look like, you're like reading, you're like reading War of the Worlds to, you know, a community of Americans in 1940. I did not plan this scenario. This is, I'm just enduring it. Okay. So, let's get into the game. And, Sidney, are you there, by the way, about what, 400 miles south?

Something about that? Yeah, I'm here. I'm melting in this podcast studio, but I'm here. Did you do what I said before we started taping? Yeah, I did. I propped open that door and get some cool air rush. But we live in California and it doesn't help that much. It's warm down there, huh? Yeah, it's kind of warm. Well, we miss you. We're coming back.

I know I miss you guys. It feels empty. I'm looking at a very sad, empty podcast studio right now. All right. We're on our way of plane tomorrow morning. We're going to get into it right now. And let's start with the first quarter. Makes sense. Again, logic rules the day. They received the ball of the Denver Broncos, and this is, of course, we should put this into the proper context, what the Carolina Panthers had been doing during their playoff run, getting out to big leads on everybody, I believe it was 31-0 against the Seahawks in the first half, the NFC title game. It was something similarly lobsided, and what we thought was going to happen here was maybe the Broncos get their blow. doors blown off and at halftime, there's nothing to talk about.

And to that point, the Panthers led for 112 minutes in the playoffs to this point, tied for eight minutes and never trailed. And they led by 10 plus points for almost 105 minutes of playoff time. But what happens? The Broncos take the kickoff. They go straight down the field. Peyton Manning connects on some passes. He goes four for six for 47 yards.

They stall in the end zone, in the red zone. But what happens, Brandon McManus comes on. It's a 34-yard field goal, and the Broncos jump out to a lead. Wes, how important was it for the Broncos to get out to that lead and kind of set the tone for the day? I think it was very important, and I think it's also a sign of good coaching. We talked about Wade Phillips, but this happened in the AFC championship game, too, where Peyton Manning's best drive of the season was on the opening drive of the game. And then again, Sunday's game, they open with the field goal drive,

and then they come out as they come out a halftime with another scoring drive, Basically, there are only two good scoring drives of the day. And I think you have to give Gary Kubiak a lot of credit for that. Right. They had very little offense, 194 yards, which is 50 less than the least, the fewest for a Super Bowl champion in history. So this is unprecedented. It's 50 yards fewer than they had last week or last game against the Patriots,

which was also a very low performance. But they've had this formula, which is that they close and that they start strong on offense and it gets them a lead and they can play with that sort of. to confidence, and you saw the Panthers, whether it was the stage or whether it was the Broncos defense, they started making a little error, some errors early. Dan, I was under the impression that we were going to go through every single play. You kind of summarized that drive. Perhaps this will do.

We'll tape this one. It's 131 plays in the game, Mark. Yeah, we'll tape this one. It's more kind of like a greatest hits. It'll be about 45, 50 minutes, and then we'll stay after from about 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. And cover every play. Is that cool? Yeah, I think that, yeah, we should do that.

Yes. So then the next two drives, the teams trade three and outs. And then the Panthers have the ball back. They're deep in their own territory when disaster strikes. Sid. He hit and sacked inside to five. The ball is free. Denver's got it.

Touchdown, Denver. Malik Jackson got the ball. Von Miller with the sack. Wow. Talk about punching him in the mouth. Yeah. So Von Miller comes around in almost rips the ball out of Cam Newton's hands. It's recovered in the end zone.

and all of a sudden you blink Mark Sessler and it's 10-0. Yeah, and it's almost an absolute, it's a look at what happened to the Broncos two years ago where suddenly a team that all year long had learned to play ahead was buried against the Seahawks and didn't know how to get out. And the Carolina Panthers, two things happened. I think they really seem shaken from a confidence angle. And we were all asking how they get out of this.

And we started to realize that Von Miller was plugged in. And it was the beginnings of one of the most dominant defensive performances as we've ever seen. Well, I threw out a what's more likely on Thursday that was roundly derided by various producers for being too etheteric. Picking, who's going to be the go-to-the-game, Michael Oror or Robert McLean?

Now, Michael Orr gave up a lot of hits from DeMarcus Ware, but it was really Mike Remmers, the right tackle? The old Remdog in the big spot? Comes up empty? Who would know? Who appeared to hold Von Miller on every single play that Von Miller did not get a strip sack on. But the two biggest plays,

the game was Miller taking care of old and REMDog. And I do want to point out before the strip sack and the recovery for the touchdown, there was a, it was probably the last play of Mike Carey's career on CBS from what we're hearing on Twitter, but a long pass

over the middle, I would say like a 20-yard crossing pattern to Jericho Cottery. And if he makes the catch clean, I know he doesn't have any speed, but he's going probably at least 30 yards, maybe more, maybe the distance if he breaks a tackle, steady bobble it as he falls to the ground.

And replay, it seemed like he caught the ball. I thought so. It was ruled. Of course he caught the ball. It was ruled in incompletion. It was challenged. Poor Mike Carey says this is a catch. This will be overturned. It does not get overturned. So instead of having maybe a massive chunk play and a different game,

the Panthers don't get anything and that kind of set the stage for the touchdown. I mean, Mike Carey, I think we think he was right though. Yes. That's why he's got a tough job, Mike. Exactly. Dino Blandino did not think. he was right he put out well I guess that's obvious I've stopped paying attention to dino blandino on the catch roll at any point because he can't give us the truth that

that is tough and in the cottery drop is why you know people are going to kill cam new and for this game people are going to care that drop you're right if you're a panthers fan you're going to think about that because who knows what happens after that the drop by ted again that we'll get to in the second half it was a lot of these unforced errors from the teams that you don't know how the game would have changed josh norman after the game said we were playing two different teams out there and I assume he was playing talking about the officials enough of that i don't like hearing that yeah i agree are we ready by the way or are we allowed to talk about our dino blandino sightings all week i don't know well wasn't

connor really on the dino blandino beat i well i went to i was on the party beat so i saw a lot of dino as well dino in the entourage that's all he's a snappy dresser we'll leave it that's about whether you're ready to i i didn't lay eyes on them once weirdly um i didn't think this would be possible because we're in a studio in san francisco shadowy league figures just showed up here. They knocked on the door. Very shadowy when us to move along. While they're knocking on the door, they ought to tell the

competition committee that it's the worst role in sports and it needs to be fixed. They should bring us a beer too. So the first quarter ends 10-0. Nobody saw that coming. But who knows? You didn't know what was going to happen. I think once upon a time in one of the Broncos Super Bowl defeats with John Elway, they were up 10-0 against Doug Williams and the Redskins. We know how that turned out.

All back. Yes, thank you. So you still think, and I think I felt that way. I think a lot of you guys felt that way that, all right, this could not have started worse, and Cam was four of eight for 31 yards on a lost fumble in that first quarter. It could not have started worse, but the Panthers would get it together. And they did for a while, right?

In the second quarter, they start to show a little bit of signs of life. Where were? What happened here in the second quarter? Well, I think they start letting Cam run, and that really jump starts their offense on that touchdown. drive. They got nothing out of Jonathan Stewart except for the leaping touchdown, which was pretty impressive. But they had no running a game. They had no running attack from the running backs. It had to be Cam. Right. And that got them going. I mean,

Jonathan Stewart went 12 for 29 in the game. Tolbert went 5 for 18. Fosy Wittaker had a couple good runs when he came in. But that was something they relied on all year was Cam setting up the running game. And these weren't Cam Newton as part of the running game runs. And maybe that should have tipped us off to this was a different sort of game. The only touchdown drive that they got, the only way they got going was him just scrambling. That wasn't part of the offense. It was just Cam Newton being the best athlete on the field.

Yes, it was a 10-0 game when the Panthers finally came to life. A nine-play 73-yard drive when Camlant ran the ball a little bit. They were able to move the ball. And then Jonathan Stewart was despite not doing much, All day and banged up, was able to get in the end zone. Newton takes the snap, gives to Stewart. He leaps and scores. Touchdown.

Carolina's on the board. Guess that ankle's feeling a little bit better. I think the Carolina defense deserves some credit for keeping this game as tight as it was. And I've heard you say, Dan, you didn't think it was a great game. And I agree it wasn't a great game. But it was a tense game that was tight and up in the air until five minutes left in the game. Reminds me a little bit of the Saints Colts Super Bowl in that way. And then you had the one big defensive play that ends it.

But the reason for that was the Panthers' defense was getting stops. At one point in this period we're talking about, the Broncos offense had negative six yards in four drives. I mean, they got the ball over and over in the first half and couldn't do much. Yeah, I mean, I think what's going to be lost because Von Miller and Peyton Manning and then Akib Talib and those storylines that Luke Kikli, being able to watch him in person today, an incredible player who really, there just was too much going on for one guy to save the day.

for their defense. How about a game? How about Coney Ely? Tony Ely, too. Two sacks was a two-force fumbles and interception. He was all over the field. Yeah, to Greg's point, the Broncos offense, after they went up 10-0, three plays negative two yards and a punt, three plays negative 12 yards a punt,

four plays negative one yard. But they got a field goal because Jordan Norwood sets a NFL record in the Super Bowl on a 61-yard punt return. So that made it 13 to 7. And at that point, then you start feeling a little weird. That's because not only did you have the strip sack for six points, seven points for Denver, then they get the big special teams play. So they get 10 points off touchdowns and special teams.

And you start to wonder, you know, Panthers are going to have to wake up here because they just gave away 10 points in this game. Well, the Panthers made so many different kinds of mistakes from Ron Rivera's clock management and challenges. At the end of the first half, Rivera blew it. They give up the 61-yard punt return to Norwood. Graham Ghanomis is a field goal. The two fumbles by Tolbert, the two drops by cotchery, the drop by Ginn. It's just every way they could shoot themselves in the foot, they did.

If you think about it, the Broncos' defense and special teams scored 17 points. They literally won the game on their own, because I'm giving that last touchdown that they end up, you know, running in to Von Miller and the Broncos defense for setting it up. So they scored enough points with the Norwood return with this Von Miller ship sacks to win the game on their own. And then they stop the Panthers. I mean, that is about as dominant as you can possibly be. And Peyton Manning was as bad as you could be. At one point I said to Greg, and I think I tweeted it out. You did.

I said that, you know, if they're going to, the Broncos, Gary Kubiak's in a tough spot, you got to bench Peyton Manning to win this game because you had the Panthers waiting to be slayed there. They were very vulnerable, but you had this terrible quarterback leaving you wide open. And a perfect sign of this was late in the second quarter. They're already up 13-7, Denver, and they got the ball at the Carolina 24. And Peyton Manning, the guy with a noodle arm. And let's face it, you watch it in person. And you cannot hide from how bad his balls look.

He throws one of the worst passes of the playoffs. Manning retreats. Just to the left. He was intercepted. Picked off by Tony Ely. Tony Ely. He draws back, gets underneath. It has a one-handed interception.

A beautiful play. spark this change and get this off this back to ball. So, you know, Manning thrown bad passes, looking like a shell of himself. But then Greg, it's just the Panthers, they aren't able to do anything. They go three and out, don't move the ball a yard. Then the Broncos do another three and out themselves. And then what happens to their last drive? Tell us, Greg, you were particularly upset with some of the play calling in Carolina's last

drive that ended with a DeMarcus wear sack. Well, Ron Rivera had a rough night. And it started with blowing his challenge on, I mean, his last challenge on a play that he was right about, but you only gained seven yards. It was second down. It wasn't a big deal. And then the end of the first half, they really botched the time management situation. They ran out of time.

They took too long going up before their third down rush to keep the drive going around midfield. And it just felt like a team that was unsettled and wasn't comfortable in that situation. It wasn't like a veteran quarterback MVP of the league leading the team. And it didn't show a lot of confidence that they were going to even score. in that spot and they didn't in the end the half ended on a demarcas wear sack and i don't know how much that means but that feeling of the broncos ending it exactly how they started it stopping cam newton and then running to to the half i mean they must have felt like they were on top of the world i think

it's the first time really all season by the way that gregg voice it's rasped it's gravelly marron it's really it's intriguing dan when you talk about the top gravel voices of all time gregg now enters the conversation very strangely right up there with kathleen turner It's Turner-esque. I wish I was as manly as Kathleen doing that thing. That was that right there, that little clip. We have to keep it last year. Is Johnny Cash doing the pot with us today?

Anyway, Mark, go ahead. I would just say that I think that Super Bowl seems so strange because in theory it's the two most resilient teams in the NFL squaring off against each other. But so often we've seen that if someone gets buried early, everything starts to change. And I think the Panthers had not faced a defense like this or a challenge like this over the course of 30 minutes.

and it looked that way. It's not a game we'd seen from them all season. Right. So then here comes halftime, and I thought it was a pretty solid halftime show. It seems like reviews were mixed. Beyonce, by the way, come on. What are you playing your new single for?

And I understand it, and Greg made a good point in the ride back from the stadium that she can call her shots at this stage of her career, so it's kind of badass in a way. But, you know, you're playing the Super Bowl, give the people what they want. Everything in life's not a power play. Everything in life's not about leverage.

Your role is to be in the Super Bowl and entertain people, so do it. At the end of that performance, though, a lot of people wanted more Beyonce and less cold play. So if you leave me, I don't want more. See, a cold play to me, and I was listening with one ear, but like the whole, I'll be honest with you. I mean, we know what cold play is. What were we expecting? They are exactly what we thought they'd be. Right.

It's one of my favorite moments in our podcast history. Mark saying, we know what cold play is. It's like he's talking about Alex Smith and a week 14 chiefs game or something. We know where these guys aren't. We've seen them before. They're going to just go out. They're going to do their cold play. I was mesmerized by the post-cold play segment where Wes was dancing to Bruno Mars in his little Super Bowl 50 gold, white, and black hat.

And I took some video of it. It's on my feed. I mean, it's just mesmerized. I think everyone in the press box was just fascinated by West. Mark has mentioned how attracted he has been to Wes and his hat many times. It's a great combination. I could not stop taking photos what was happening. My $35 Super Bowl hat that I bought because the winds were gusting throughout the afternoon.

Connor tells me it's going to be 49 degrees as soon as it gets dark. The wind dies down totally once the game starts and it stays like 65 degrees. We should touch on the weather because Greg and I ended up taking a separate bus. When we pulled up to the stadium after that endless ride from San Francisco to Santa Clara, by the way, you shouldn't even be the San Francisco 49ers. I mean, let's be honest. That is like a 40-mile trip. People get on, like, the Jets and Giants, that's a mile and a half from downtown Manhattan.

This is a 40-mile trip, hour plus without a lick of traffic. Might as well call them to the Santa Clara. Boston Patriots. I think they're like, right. They're like the San something 49ers. You're the Golden State 49ers. Or you're the Santa Clara 49ers or like the Bay Area Rockers, just completely rebrand yourself. I don't know.

There's no tradition to the 49ers organizations. That would make sense. My point is the weather was beautiful. There wasn't a cloud in the sky. The sun was out, gentle breeze that picked up a little bit as the afternoon wore on. But just gorgeous weather. Top weather day, certainly in my Super Bowl history. Absolutely.

And remember the weather that day when we're in Indianapolis in a couple weeks and we want to die. And that takes us out of our lesson. Our halftime discussion. We moved to the third quarter. And as we said, the Panthers truly dominant for much of their playoff run, kept shooting themselves in the foot in the first half. He's a false starts, delay a game, penalty here, missed tackle there. And then the second half, they take the ball.

10 plays, 54 yards. You think, oh, now they're cooking again. And remember, it's 13-7. This is a six-point game. And what happens? Kick is on the way, very high, hits the upright, and bounces away, no good. Just, I mean, Graham Gano misses a field goal, I believe, from 43 yards, a kick you got to make. that pulls him within three points.

And if he makes that kick, we talk about the cotterie miss, it's a totally different game because as good as the Broncos' defenses, if you're playing a three-point game, if it's a three-point game, anything could happen. Right, there was a late, we'll get to it later on, but that field goal weighed so heavily that, and what it forced Carolina to have to do, and on the flip side,

what did the Broncos lose five fumbles, was it? And they recovered all of them? No, they lost four, recovered all four, and then the fifth they did not get paid manning lost. Had those other ones not, and the ball was bouncing around the field. It wasn't just it fell out of his hands and to his knees. It was bouncing around. What a different game it would be at that.

All these breaks not gone Denver's way. Yeah. And that's football, you know, so like there's going to be Panthers fans that you're going to say that the Broncos just got lucky. That's kind of the way it is. But you have to, there's got to be frustrating, frustration building. Because not only are these plays happening, then on top of it, you don't seem like you're getting the referee help or the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. luck helps um well but i think the super bowl more than any game is an emotional game and the the broncos come out in the first half and they get that three nothing early lead with a good drive and then they

get the 10 nothing this was the panther's chance to kind of set okay this half is different and it felt like it he gets a big play down the field uh to ted gin right to to start that drive they move the ball down the field and then they stall the coterie uh the cotri drop he's one-on-one on von miller I mean, you've got to win that matchup, and Kotari drops it inside the 10. Third and 11, Newton does not have a great pass to Greg Olson, and then they missed the field goals. So you had a chance to have a good feeling, even with the field goal, and instead it kind of sets the tone that, oh, here we go again. It's this uncomfortable sort of game. So instead of momentum swinging, the Panthers maybe punching in for a touchdown to take the lead, we're getting the field goal to cut it to three.

They give the Broncos good field position, and the Broncos take advantage. They go down the field 54 yards. Their drive stalls, and this could have been a costly miss, Greg. And this happened right in front of us. On third down, Demarius Thomas sprung open, heading towards the back pylon, and Peyton either didn't see him or ran out of time and went with an underneath route, stalling another drive. So again, Peyton really doing nothing.

Well, yeah, he didn't have a good game. I mean, he got one interception, and he could have had more, including on that play, got broken up. They were just jumping his. routes and and we've seen this in a couple plays in the red zone where he didn't see guys open and that was that was one right in front of us where you just thought the old Peyton Manning

sees Thomas and he gets it. So now we're at 16.7 an interception thrown by Cam Newton. Another interception? Do I recall? Am I recalling? No, this is the one with Ginn drops it in the red zone. Oh yeah.

After the drive before that was basically the tech Ginn drive and then this one I just thought he played a really soft game. Yeah. He's a soft player to begin with, and he wanted to run out of bounds every time he got the ball. He doesn't fight through a defender in the red zone when he knew, Cam needed him to

fight through that defender. And that was, everyone was noticing you saw it all over Twitter. There were several plays where, and I remember when we sit on the white couch for the NFL now game day blitz show on Sundays, when you would watch highlights with MJD and Ike Taylor, they would always get angry on a interception return or a play where a guy broke when, where they kind of cut towards a sideline. and set it back toward the middle. I remember one specific play with Ginn

where it looked like he really had a chance to maybe take it to the house and just slid out of bounds and it wasn't the first time he did it. The receivers killed Cam. That's true. It's a good point. Cam did not have a good game.

Now, all of these things, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. The Broncos defense played great. Cam did not have a great game, but the Panthers receivers also killed Cam. And if the Panthers receivers had played the game of their lives, it would have been a different type of game. They did not lift him up like he's lifted them up, really, this whole season.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, it's, and we knew, you know, that was the narrative in training camp going into the season. That was the weakness of Carolina. Kelvin Benjamin goes down. How do you possibly overcome that? And instead, that team was the team they were because of these role players becoming such a help to Cam Newton. And it all fell apart because they played a defense they haven't seen all year. All right.

So after the interception, the Broncos can't make anything happen. They trade punts. and really the last time you saw the Broncos be aggressive on any level they let Manning drop back. He gets hit by Connie Ealy, a strip, lost fumble, and the Panthers get the ball back. Connie Ely, West, did not play a ton of snaps, but he had a huge impact. Yeah, I think you credit Dave Gettleman, who has talked about hog mollies and blue goose pass rushers. And Connie Ely is a guy he picked up in the second round that they needed. And I think when you look at the game Connie Ely had, I think you look at these two teams.

and you kind of say the Panthers are in better shape going forward. They should continue to win that division and be a force in the NFC and the Broncos have a lot of questions about their future. He didn't even play that much. Like Dan said, I don't know what the final snap total was, but it was only at 16 at the point where he had already made Super Bowl history. He's the first guy ever with multiple sacks.

He ends up with three and a forced fumble. And an interception, and he ended up forcing a fumble too. It's an outrageous game by him. And this is the part of the game again now, where you keep waiting for that kind of cam magic. And you're like, all right, now after the fumble, we've got a six-point game again. The whole time I'm thinking they're going to score a quick touchdown.

And after this whole game of Denver being in control, they're going to be losing in the fourth quarter of the quarterback that can't move the ball to save his life. But again, they move the ball 29 yards on six plays, but they can't move it into the end zone. Well, I want to go back to the decision to throw it on third and 14 and Peyton Manning fumbles the ball. And at that point, people are killing Kubiak for being too aggressive.

And later in the game, they're killing them for being too conservative and running on third and long. And all I'm thinking is, it's not the coaching. It's not the coaching. The Panthers defense is much better. And this Broncos offense can't do anything. It's a miracle that this, not a miracle, but it's amazing that this team won the Super Bowl. It's not coaching. Kerry Kubiak wasn't going to make the magic decision where this Broncos defense was going to make good plays.

They just weren't making any good place no matter what they were doing. So I couldn't really kill them for being aggressive or being conservative. It obviously made sense in the end that they were just trying to get out of there and just stay out of the way with their office. I'm looking at Greg through like 44 like circles of wire. This is the most surreal podcast I've ever experienced. Probably not for the three of you. Greg's passionate.

He's got a rasping his voice like Nat King Cole in 1947. And he's delivering the goods. Would that be fair to say, Wes? Yeah, I think you surprised me by nailing the years on that King Cole's Prime. Thank you. Thank you, Christopher. Also, I should say that solid, you know, 4,000-carat NFL 50 lapel pin that you've been using to mock us, and it's also tumbling you down.

The common man rankings has now flipped upside down, and it seems like a shot against the league. I had a random friend who's never even met West text me based off a photo we saw and said, Chris Wesleyan's pin is outrageous. That was his only comment about the Super Bowl. It is a free pin. and one of which you were all given. It's a little bit gaudy. It's a little flashy for your taste, I would think.

You are like the Dion Sanders of our group right now. I am festive. It says Super Bowl on it, and I'm at the Super Bowl. Wesleyan, however, watched the game. It's fine. Listen, the Shadow League figures, they don't even know where we are right now. That was a bit by Greg before. We were locked away in a foreign studio.

They have no access. This could be our real chance. If we wanted to take some shots, maybe drop some haymakers and then head off to you know podcast.com slash org this would be our shock

we could go from being an international podcast to a regional one in Northern California at 680 the sports leader that would be a huge step for us or we could all you know wake up on Tuesday and suddenly realize hey why didn't Sidney ever post that podcast what happened Sidney

I'm like half asleep so you know I would like to hear like Mark talking six hours about a San Francisco Giants, Miami Marlins game in June. I would rather be shot to death. So back to the game. So, yeah, the Panthers get the ball after the Manning fumble. And this is probably another play that Josh Norman was referring to on a third down, Newton targets Ted Ginn.

It looks like Roby might have interfered with him. You could certainly make the case that was past interference and the Panthers should have first and goal. What did you guys think about that play? Was that a bad no-call, or was it okay? I thought it was a terrible no-call. He basically tackled them before the ball got there. I mean, Ginn was probably going to drop it, let's be fair.

But I don't want to say anything because the least attractive thing in sports is fans complaining about officials. I don't, okay, that's fine. But we're not fans. We're not fans of these teams. I know. I just don't want to give Panthers fans any more fodder. Well, plus it's true. The officials really, I mean, they got a couple of bad breaks, but no one's going to, no one in their right mind could think.

that the officials cost the Panthers a game, give me a break. Not today. Yeah. So Gano makes the kick. So it's 1610 now, 10, 21 to go in the fourth quarter. And what happens again? The Broncos go three and out again, and they gain four yards. It really is remarkable.

And this is when this game, it really, it started to crystallize that the Carolina is just not going to get over the hump. They go three and out. Then the Panthers get it back. They go three and out. And then in what was the game that really, really sealed the Carolina Panthers' fate and all but locked up a third Super Bowl for the Denver Broncos. And guess who is at the center of it, Von Miller.

They rest four. In the pocket is Newton. Pumps the ball's knocked out of his hands. It bounces around. And I think Denver's got it. Ball still is free. T.J. Ward's got the ball. At the Carolina five-yard line, Von Miller again.

You know, after the, after the game, Akeed Talib, No, Von Miller was the MVP running away with it. But Akeed Talib talked about T.J. Ward, had he put, taking that in for a touchdown, that he moves into that conversation. I mean, T.J. Ward played an amazing game tonight. All over the place, disruptive. A couple turnovers. I mean, he was fantastic.

Was he even the best safety on the field? Dary and Stewart also had a great game. You know, honestly, I cannot comment on that right now. Dary and Stewart helps set up. up another big turnover so there's no question about that but t j ward delivered i mean but these guys were both questionable at one point would would these guys play would we see them he played with it with an injury t j ward i thought that's what akib said this guy's the man yeah so i mean and von miller i mean this guy and i talked to demarc where after the game and he said that humble brag

it was name dropper it was a straight name drop humble brand doing his job i ain't afraid but i did talk to demarkis where humble brag name name dropper and he said that first time i'm I think anyone's ever self-called them. That's good. He's just saving some time. Nailed it. Check your stuff. He said that, you know, all season when it came time, because he knows how special

Von Miller is. And I think he was kind of hinting that sometimes Von Miller needs a little bit of a, you know, coaxing to get the best out of him. He would come up to him on the sideline. Let's go, baby. It's time for you. You know, Miller time and blah, blah, blah. And he was able to get Von Miller pumped up.

And this game, they won the game. Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware had four and a half. half sacks, six quarterback hits, two forced fumbles both by Von Miller, tackles for loss, and Von Miller did what is named MVP for the game, but Greg, DeMarcus Ware could easily gotten the same award. Well, you saying it makes me think has a pass-rush duo ever done more to win a championship? It is hard to imagine, you know, I can't go through the list in my head right now, that any duo has ever won a Super Bowl, almost on their own, more than,

Miller and Ware have because they did it the last two games against two teams that were favored against them and they were the difference in both of those games or have two offensive lines in this game done less sure well they combine for 15 quarterback hits in two games that's insane it's amazing it's two guys who might both be in the hall of fame one day I think this this game certainly helps to Marcus where von miller's a young guy but he's had about as good a first five years as you're going to have he's about to get the franchise tag and if they end up working out a long term deal. He's going to be the highest paid defensive player in football. It's such a team sport

and we always hoist up the quarterback as like they're almost the only thing that matters. Well, we just saw a team that almost had very little quarterback play that won the Super Bowl. But in the end, it was kind of two guys that won it for them. It really, it was their entire defense, which is loaded with stars at every

level. But without, but those are the two guys that make them special. I mean, I agree the secondary. Like maybe that's why Ted Ginn has alligator aligator arms in the red zone. Danny Treveithan had a great game. Derek Wolf has had a great month and a half. Malik Jackson's been phenomenal. Absolutely. Derek Wolf put Stewart out of action early. I mean, that changed the complexion of this game.

And Wade Phillips said after the game that, you know, why did they ask, you know, how did you have so much success containing Cam Newton? And it seemed that they had a plan, you know, if they had to to mix up blitzes and get a little a cutesy to really contain Newton. But then what happened was their front four was doing such an amazing job of getting to Newton. it allowed them to play the game through their hands. And it just it all went through Newton. It was a total, a total team effort, but I think Warren Miller, their

ability to continually beat the offensive line of the Panthers set the tone for everything. So now the Panthers are in deep trouble. The Broncos have the ball inside the five-yard line. And this again, Josh Norman's going to get upset about this. On third down and four, Manning drops back to pass.

He sails it out of the back of the end zone. Josh Norman gets called for a hold, and now it's first and goal from the two, and then C.J. Anderson. First and goal, handoff. C.J. Anderson left on into Cooley, into Cicley. Second effort to the goal line. Touchdown, Denver. C.J. Anderson, with the first offensive touchdown for the Broncos in this game. I'd like to thank Marshawn Lynch for making me miss this whole sequence of events. Oh, that's right.

Forgot about that. That's terrible. About eight minutes left in the game or so, maybe maybe 10. we get the first tweet or the first mention that Marshawn Lynch has tweeted about his retirement causing panic in the in the press box. How are we going to handle this? Can we confirm this right now while we're trying

to watch the Super Bowl? Who's going to write it? West steps up to the plate. West takes a bullet and also our poor editor back in Culver City, David Ely, who's a Panthers fan and his heart is breaking slowly has to like get on the phone and confirm reports the poor guy.

And the same Ely that brought a bottle of champagne to the office for a post-game celebration. This was in no way taking a bullet or a selfless move. You guys know me pretty well. I'd much rather write about Marshaun Lynch's retirement than go down to a locker room and talk to NFL players. By the way, everybody... Everyone has their roles.

I said this after the game, and I'm not... I'm a Yankee fan, but I'm not an A-Rod defender, really. You know, when he opted out during the fourth game of the World Series when the Red Sox won in 2007, he got killed for it for taking away from the splendor. of the game's greatest stage. When Marshawn Lynch does the same thing in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl game,

it's like, this guy is who he is. He does, plays life by his own set of rules. A little quirky. And you got to love him for it. Classic Marshawn. That's a double standard, bro. I am totally on board with that double standard because one of those guys is a soulless fraud.

And the other one really does just kind of live by his own rules. Although, if anything. Yeah, let's check out some of Marshawn Lynch's real backdoor dealings with major corpse and his inability to talk to the press. Yeah, he's a real man of the people. Definitely good night to get deep into Yankees talk. It was a cool way to retire with hanging him up and he sends the tweet out. But this was a little more calculated.

People say, oh, Marshaun Lynch doesn't care. Like, he doesn't care about any. Well, this is the ultimate in caring. He decided to put this out there with 10 minutes left in the Super Bowl. He planned it out. This was the big plan. I wanted to do something that no one's ever done when they were. retired. I wanted to do it, like, drop it right in the middle of the Super Bowl. Maybe it gets

buried. Maybe I want, whatever it was, that was the plan. It was pretty planned. He was trying to take the stage. He was testing his ego and what his cultural cachet was. And it just led to poor guys like David Ely and poor Chris Westing trying to watch a Super Bowl having to do other work. Come on. Hey, come back to us, Marshaun. Well, it's got to, it's going to lead to not as much talk about Marshall Lynch's retirement. And maybe that is what he wants. How about this? We'll get and we'll get into Marshaun Lynch's amazing career. A little more this week. Our next show is Wednesday, by the way.

But, you know, let's get back to the game. Well, you know what's cool is the two-point conversion. I do, yes. I want to talk about the two-point conversion because first the trivia question for you guys. Peyton Manning in what better have been the final pass of his career completed a two-point conversion

to who first person to name it, gets a beer, if any bars open after the show. Was it Caldwell? Or Fowler? Benny Fowler. I knew it was one of her. I wasn't watching.

I was, like, knee-deep and other thought at that point. What were you thinking about? Well, because we were about to go down to the locker room. This game was over. Yeah, the second the fumble happened, I started writing the game story for the site. Sure knows.

Well, I was watching it because it was Peyton's final moment on a day where he couldn't find the end zone if you would have given him a map. He did. Well, hold on. We're being hard on too hard on thing, man. No, we're not being too hard on him. Just one minute here, because I liked your tweet

about the Switched Osweiler, because maybe if it was a different time in the season, you do that. But when I went downstairs and talked to the Broncos, they talked a lot of them about what Manning spoke to them about last night, and that the entire operation here was a DeMarcus Ware and Peyton Manning-led effort. And there is no way that you bench Peyton Manning. They were going to go down with them, and I don't think that ever would have been on the board.

And yeah, it was a pretty awful game. It was probably one of the worst winning quarter. It wasn't the worst winning quarterback performance? He had a 9.9.9 QBR. But it's Peyton Manning and how, what kind of can of worms do you open if you bench him in full circle on Peyton Manning? You know what? Because I'll tell you what. This week, I think what happened was I just got closer to see how many people on that team absolutely admire that guy.

If they knew that. No, but if you benched him, I think it would have caused complete insurrection. I mean, they would, in confusion. I think coaching's different than what we think about up in the press box. Well, here's one quarter. back that had a similar game in the Super Bowl. John Elway, 12 for 22, 123 yards, one interception in 1998. That is almost exactly the numbers as Peyton Manning.

13 of 23, 141 yards, one interception. So it's a team sport, and the team carried him on his back. That's great. I mean, more power to him. He's been on some high-powered offenses that blew it in the playoffs. Now it happened a different way. Well, you can point out that he was a. total and complete liability today.

One for 13 on third downs. I remember walking over to you at one point in the second half and asking if he had completed a pass since the opening drive. I mean, he went through long stretches where the offense just fell apart. And like you said, 194 yards, which is 50 less than any winning team in Super Bowl history ever had. That said, he also watched Cam Newton and Tom Brady make backbreaking mistakes the last two weeks, and he did not do that.

Although he did have two turnovers. I mean, so even this was more of an ever-progan. It's a strange story because of that. I mean, of course he's the story. I mean, he's the biggest story just because he's one of the greatest players ever. But it's a strange thing just because he's clearly so much of a shadow of what he once was. And that was the game. 24 to 10 final, the confetti falls down at the big bell bottom in Santa Clara.

It's not a thing. No, it's not a thing. Stop trying to make it. But I will offer some analysis from my wife, Emily, who not only attended her first Super Bowl, it was her first NFL game. She intended with her dad, Bob, a text kind of apropos nothing while I was waiting for DeMarcus Ware.

My analysis, colon, a season QB versus a rookie Super Bowl QB, seasoned, comma, mentally prepared wins. Your thoughts, guys. Emily Hansis, you know sometimes when you go over to the Hansa's household she's got the big screen TV going she's got the coaches film she knows what she's talking about I disagree with your wife whoa I was trying to be supported not a good not a good move

I think your wife is great but no I don't think that I don't think that had anything to do with the seasoned quarterback who had a horrible game well I mean you're not you're not impressed with his 9.9 QBR no and I think it's okay to admire his perseverance for the season he had and that he didn't he didn't really i don't know the last time we had emily hansis on this show she came on to diagnose the concept that eric barry was scared of horses and she wasn't pleased with some aspect of that show and she's and she's never been on since this will not help yeah yeah she used to ride horses as a youth um so yeah that so what does this mean

and now let's just kind of take a step back before we go uh you know there's all there's always going to be a lot of talk about Peyton Manning, about what this means. Does this move him up at all? I mean, I can't say it can because he was, as we're saying, without piling on, a total liability in this game, but it certainly helps from a

macro standpoint that now he's got two rings in addition to all these passing records. Does it mean anything this win for Peyton Manning's legacy, which is so weird because it's Super Bowl? We'll spend the next 50 Thanksgiving having as many Super Bowls as Eli. Yes, I think as

time goes on, the details of how this all happened will fade away. For instance, no one in this room, no one in this room, including me, remembered that John Elway in that Super Bowl in 98 was essentially Ben Rathesberger in his rookie year, or second year when they, but I didn't. I remember, I didn't want to say anything, so I just wanted to keep the show moving. That's fair. But I remembered every pass of that game. Now I realize it's just a bit.

John Elway's body was not failing him to the extent that Peyton Manning's. He wasn't coming off a bad season. He was coming off a good season. Right. He had a bad game. So it was different. I think it absolutely changes the way people think about him because people think of them for playoff failure. And he's going to retire with three straight playoff wins, whether, you know, whether I always think wins.

He's got to retire with a winning record in the postseason now, too, 14 and 13. Right. And I think we put too much on quarterback wins and losses. And that's been to the detriment of Peyton Manning's career that he's been better than his play. playoff record really indicates throughout his career. Not much better. Now it's kind of even and out. Not much better.

He'll always be remembered if he does walk away as just like Elway, the guy that kind of completed that cycle and did exactly what Elway brought him in to do. So I think it does matter quite a bit. And on the other side of the Cam Newton, we should touch on this before we go, because it will be the dominant kind of side topic of the game when you're not talking about the Broncos and Peyton Manning is his behavior after the game at his press conference. and Connor Orr wrote a really nice piece on the around the NFL page

about it. He had his hood up. He answered a lot of questions with one word answers left after two and a half minutes and Connor made a really good observation that it appeared that Mike Shula and their QB coach were trying to get his attention to get him to pull his hood back and be a little more,

I guess I would assume, just a little more professional about it because they knew what was going to happen if he didn't handle it well and he didn't and now he's going to pay the price for it. Everybody on NFL network was piling on after the game, and that's not going to be it. We're going to pay the price for it, too, because I feel a lot of sort of posts and reaction coming to that. A lot of that's going to go on Wes's plate.

Oh, it's such a tedious topic. I mean, yeah, he has moments of immaturity. Yes, he likes to call attention to himself. He doesn't handle things well all the time. It doesn't make him a bad human being. I just hate that you weren't going to spend all week just trashing him for something. Well, we don't have to. We don't have to.

He did a bad job, but it doesn't, I don't think it means anything bigger than he just did a bad job. It reminds me of the, he's got to learn from it. Why is gronk out dancing after a Super Bowl loss yet? I mean, nobody cares. I mean, that's no big deal. This team had their heartbroken. I really think that the Panthers felt like they were going to write a story that could begin something, you know, long and storied, and now you're starting over. I did a spot with Damashek.

Is that a humble brag? Is Damashik count? Yes, that is an achievement. On Friday, where we had a serious conversation, football-headed conversation about what happens if the Panthers spanked the Broncos and they go 18 or 19-1, whatever, and where do they rank all time? So to go from having that conversation at Friday at 5 p.m. to Cam Newton giving one-word answers and then kind of walking off his presser after an ugly loss. I mean, it's amazing how quickly things changed.

By the way, Damashet came in the press box and, like, tore. it up for eight minutes. Fantastic. He's got a great gig, Dave. Took Mike Tolbert to town. Well, we were... I think, though, Wes, when it comes to the CAM stuff, I saw a couple tweets from some of the

writers that cover the team. And are overall, I think, pretty sympathetic to Cam Newton and believe he's a good leader. And, you know, they said one of them was a quote they had from someone, I believe in the organization previously to this, that Cam's one of the best winner. He's the best winner in the world. And he's not a great loser.

That happens to a lot of competitive people. Absolutely. And Marshall Falk made a good point after the game that if you haven't been on that side of things, talking to the other great players on the show, that you don't know what it's like. And that he remembers he handled the loss to the Patriots. I remember that too, that he handled it really poorly. And he knew it and he said he learned from it and that he really regretted it pretty soon thereafter. He was basically saying that he thought Cam Newton that that would happen to him.

And Jonathan Jones, who covers the team closely, he said, class matters to this organization. And it was just a tough moment. And Cam didn't handle himself well in that moment. It's not the biggest deal in the world, but you can still say that Cam might end up regretting that someday. He should regret it because I don't want to let him totally off the hook because, listen, you say he's a super competitive guy. No one to me is really more competitive or much more competitive than Tom Brady. And I think you've got to look at like a guy like Brady who handles winning and losing so well. And I really do think that matters.

It's also 39 years old. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's kind of, I think, a model that a guy like Cam Newton should look toward, instead of just chalking it up to being a competitor that you could mope after a game. It is, when you're the quarterback, you're the face of the franchise, and there is responsibility that comes with that. He's got to learn from it the way that Marshall Falk did. He'll be back in this game.

Well, what happened today also is that we were talking. Maybe. I mean, Dan Marino didn't get back, really. We were talking about this as the year of Cam, and now I don't think he's, you can really say it was. No, it's a terrible ending for it. But he's got a lot of years left. I mean, he won the MVP.

If it's a year of Cam, you're capping it off with a Super Bowl win and talking about your damage check discussions as where do they rank in the history of the Panthers. And maybe that factors to the awareness of the way he acted because he was able to maybe put that in perspective that he knows everything he did kind of was tainted the way that game went. Well, that's the thing.

It'll be okay. Cam's going to be okay. I feel like I say this every year at the end of the Super Bowl. or whatever. But, yeah, he might be back, but you don't know if you're going to get back with a team that was rolling up 30-point leads in the first half against two of the best teams in the league and in your MVP season and 18. I mean, you just don't know.

Buzz kill. All right. So there you go. There is our Super Bowl 50 recap. Shout out to Wade Phillips, by the way. Oh, yeah. 40 years in the league. His dad was in the league.

How many years? 30 years. Bum Phillips. You know, Wade Phillips finally gets a title. treats the best two quarterbacks in the NFL like a rag dog dials up the most blitzes against cam newton of any coaches i'll give him a shout out in the morning it's like 333 right now all right now we can get drinks sorry he really did he he uh i talked him after the game he said i said oh you know beating brady and newton back to back to when it's super he's like don't forget

about rothelsberger so he's proud of it i mean that's son of bum and they asked you know what what would your dad say is like he would be happy that we we put it on him uh i think was If you want to know more about Wave Phillips and Bum Phillips, read NSO.com slash Love Ya Blue. Going in like you went in. I want to get the line right. He would be glad we kicked the door in was the line. So that's it. And by the way, thank you.

And we'll get into it more on Wednesday show. Greg is going on a sabbatical this week. But we will continue to grind, keep pounding. Stefan Curry banging in front of the NFL network building for the ATN guys. Three more shows this week. but where was I? Wednesday, Thursday, by the way, this week.

Thursday, but we'll get into it. But the meetup at the Golden Gate Tap Room was a huge success. Oh, yeah. You estimate, I don't know. 50, Wes, you said that you thought it was more than that. I said, what, 177? I thought to her about 70 people there. I had an absolute blast.

I'm with you. It was a great time. It was great to meet everybody. Thank you to everyone that came out. It was cool. Everybody was cool, even the Patriots fans. And so thank you so much for joining us. That was fun.

So we'll maybe get into that a little bit on Wednesday, so make sure you check that out. But that is it for now. Sydney, thank you for hanging in there. Unless you're passed out, maybe a heat stroke scenario, and there's no one to save you. And by the time we get there, it'd be too late. Are you alive? I'm alive. I'm okay.

Oh, thank God. 115 on the west coast, 415 on the east coast. It means Kevin Patcher is about to wake up and do his shift. Kevin Patrick is a warrior. That's it for the around the NFL podcast and the 2015. season. We move into the off season. Here we go. Until then, this is Dan Hansis.

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