NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Takeaways from Every Preseason Week 1 Game!

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook have you covered with recap and analysis for EVERY NFL preseason game from week one... that's ALL 32 teams in ONE podcast! The duo discusses Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Stetson Bennett and plenty of other intriguing narratives as the NFL regular season approaches. NOTE: time codes are approximate and do not account for advertisement runtime. (0:00) - Start (1:25) - New York Giants v. Buffalo Bills (6:50) - Cleveland Browns (Shedeur Sanders) v. Carolina Panthers (15:10) - Baltimore Ravens v. Indianapolis Colts (19:50) - Los Angeles Chargers v. New Orleans Saints (24:40) - Tennessee Titans v. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (29:10) - Minnesota Vikings v. Houston Texans (34:00) - Chicago Bears v. Miami Dolphins (37:59) - Denver Broncos v. San Francisco 49ers (40:50) - Philadelphia Eagles v. Cincinnati Bengals (45:39) - New York Jets v. Green Bay Packers (49:40) - Los Angeles Rams v. Dallas Cowboys (54:40) - Arizona Cardinals v. Kansas City Chiefs (58:45) - Pittsburgh Steelers v. Jacksonville Jaguars (01:03:40) - Seattle Seahawks v. Las Vegas Raiders (01:07:30) - Detroit Lions v. Atlanta Falcons (01:10:35) - New England Patriots v. Washington CommandersNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And yes, I'm referring a little bit to that Nike ad with Shadur Sanders. We'll get to him. We'll get to all the young quarterbacks who debuted in NFL games this weekend for the preseason. But first I got to ask you, Nick, and just thank you for our listeners. The dedication and professionalism you have to make this show happen. late on the East Coast. I appreciate you. I was so dedicated to getting to the wedding on time that I had to take a detour to avoid traffic and ended up on like this country road with no lines and it was only wide enough for a car

and a half and there was just cornfields around me. It was an interesting day. Okay, but you made it back. You stayed away from the whatever alcohol was going on at that party and you're ready to talk. Now usually we go through 16 teams on these Sunday nights. We do the AFC. Tonight we're doing every single preseason game. So let's get going and let's start the show by going through all the games with the rookie quarterbacks and the quarterback battles. Because to me, that was the most interesting football to watch over the weekend.

And let's start with Jackson Dart. I think let's start with that one, Shook, because Jackson Dart, I think made a little bit of a move. not just with Brian Dable necessarily and against Russell Wilson, but with me. I watched that game, and I was not big on the Jackson Dart pick, was not in love with his film overall, and I just said, okay, I see you, I see you Jackson Dark, show me more next week. That's a nice first start. I know he came off the bench, but first time we've seen him in a Giants uniform. Yeah, I actually think it was Danny Kelly from the Ringer who described him as a point guard passer before the draft,

And that's exactly what I saw from this game against the Bills on the over the weekend. Like it wasn't just the touchdown pass to Little Jordan Humphrey, which I think was just a throw that he put it in the right spot and the receiver went and got the ball as the D.B fell down. It was more the throws in between where you just saw him step up into the pocket with confidence. And he also used his legs and took off for some gains there, especially when there was wide open field in front of him. You know, using his instincts to play football. That's what I really liked out of him, not getting overwhelmed by the speed of the game, not trying to do too much. I agree. I think he made a little bit of progress, at least I think I expect.

It's a little bit more from him than you did, but he still made some progress with me in this game, too. Well, we also heard to start camp that he just wasn't getting rid of the ball quickly, and he got over the hump after a handful of days of camp just like you want, and you could see it. There were a few plays where he sailed his pass, and I saw too much of that in the college tape, and there were a few plays that he was a little late. I only say that to point out it wasn't a perfect performance, but he had a number of really, nice throws a number of plays that showed athleticism a number of times he got to his second read the operation was good and hearing brian dable talk at the press conference after the game

really got my attention here's him asked about that jackson dart that's about what i thought he would do efficient effective aggressive confident in the pocket um some stuff we can work on but he's doing good in love. I haven't heard Brian Dable say anything nice about a quarterback in years. At the end of that conversation, by the way, he said, I'm just glad he's with us. And I'm like, oh, that is Dable's guy. He likes him. Oh, clear the decks. Matt Flynn. Russell Wilson's coming to take your job, except this time it's Jackson DART taking Russell Wilson's job. We got more preseason to go. But yeah, you know, Dable's usually a pretty frosty guy. So for him to be succinct in his response, but also, you know, confident in what he saw from his guy. I think that suggests that

we might see a little bit more and he might be gaining in that race. Yeah, I think he's fighting against whatever version of Russell Wilson we see by week three or so. It would be shocking if Dark got the week one start, although after one week of Seahawks preseason back when Russ was the guy, the conventional wisdom was not him getting that job. So you never know if the next two weeks he totally bawled out. We'll see. He, as good as he looked, he, he was. wasn't the best rookie on the Giants. Abdul Carter had three pass rushes in that game, and he had three pressures. And two of them were against Dion Dawkins, who was just in the top 50 players in the

NFL, according to NFL Network. And he just, like, looked awesome. He's just caught my eye. When Russ was in the game, by the way, it was like a bunch of bombs and mostly checkdowns. I mean, that's all we've heard that he's doing at camp is just like occasional deep shots and checkdowns. So it was a lot of checkdowns. Tyrone Tracy really seems like he is the guy there because Cam Scadaboo has.

been out. And then for the bills on the other side, the Giants won this game, by the way, 34 to 25. The big news shook is just that Sean McDermott admitted he wanted James Cook to play and James Cook did not want to play. He did put on his uniform, but he hasn't practiced all week. And he's probably noticed three other guys in his draft class for the bills have gotten long-term extensions. He hasn't. And so it's getting pretty awkward there. I'm not sure how this ends. It's also a strange expectation to believe that a guy that is refusing to practice because the contract dispute is suddenly going to play football in a preseason game, you know, where the risk of injury exists and where he hasn't done anything on the field all week. I thought that

was a little bit strange. I also, you know, the longer I think about the whole James Cook situation, I think more about the three down back issue and the pass blocking issue and the allocation of funds for a team that's already over the cap right now. And I just think, I don't think that that deal gets done. I don't know if they figure out a way to, you know, come to terms here before the season starts i agree i don't think they're going to pay him i think they've made that clear and so i'm not sure where it goes a couple other just items joey bosa played in that game made a couple plays tradavius white also started at cornerback but did not look good they have a rookie defensive tackle t j sanders uh who's looked pretty good for the bills

the mitchell trabisky versus mike white backup battle rages on and one other little note from the the giants i want to mention montreal washington's had a a good camp a guy who's bounced around was on the chief's practice squad i think he's going to make this team and you made a couple plays there it might be their backup slot so let's get to the the browns because your browns were back in the spotlight i don't think it's going to happen that much this season shook unless shudder sanders start some games and after his performance on what was that thursday night friday night i think he's got a a better chance of starting some games this season certainly don't expect that to happen week one, but like Jackson Dart, I think it was a

good step in the right direction for him. Yeah, obviously he's going to be a lightning rod for attention, especially in the preseason when people are looking for things to talk about. And I think the stage he had on Friday night, you know, with the eyeballs on him in a Friday night contest against the Panthers, gave him the opportunity to show what he could do. And I was very much surprised. I was impressed by what he did. I don't know. I just didn't expect all that much. He looked confident. He, the speed of the game did not overwhelm him. We all saw the touchdown pass, the second one,

and I thought that was incredibly impressive. In fact, when I was watching that game live, I let out an audible wow, just because the ability to sense an unblocked rusher, trust your running back to slide over and pick him up, reset your feet, keep your head moving through the progression, and finding a guy over the middle,

and letting it rip, and throwing it in the right spot, down and away, protecting your receiver from the safety. That's stuff that you just typically don't see from a guy playing in his first NFL game preseason or otherwise. There was also that throw down the sideline to Luke Florey.

Can't state golden flash baby. That was completed because Luke made a great catch. But there was a number of, I wouldn't call him splash plays, but plays that you would watch on a clip on social media. I highlight real play that I just didn't expect for him. Even there was a third down play where he evaded the rush and spun backward to avoid two guys, got pushed out of bounds by Nick Scorton for what registered as a sack.

I was just surprised that he was able to extend a play and evade guys. So very much impressed, very, very fascinated by how this is going to affect the Brown's quarterback situation. Of course, locally, everybody wanted to come up to talk to me about this, you know, this past two days. Oh, okay, at the wedding. So what were you saying? Shador needs to start.

Shador needs to start. And I'm like, you know, I frankly would like to see him play the entire preseason because what are you going to get out of? And, you know, Dylan Gabriel needs to get on the field eventually. I guess Kenny Pickett does. But you know what you have in Joe Flacco. So give Shador a ton of snaps and really let him prove it. I don't think it affects what they end up doing in week one.

But it definitely makes it much more interesting to me where I thought that they would just be flacko, pick it, and throw the rookies in if they had to, uh, it makes it a much more intriguing situation. Yeah, Shadur is not like any other fifth round pick that we've ever seen. First of all, I can't imagine that Nike has ever thrown up a, uh, you know, Twitter ad with Shadur kind of with his fist pumped. It says only a matter of time. Uh, and, and that was sent out. If you're watching on YouTube, you can check that out. The uniforms look clean. I know there's another part of this that bothers you, Shook, though. Yeah, okay. So, look, I understand the play on time with the Shador watch celebration and everything. Folks, social media wise, can we

stop capitalizing letters at the start of words for emphasis? That does, it's grammatically incorrect. Time should not be capitalized here. Do not do this. I don't even know if we need a period, because that's not really a sentence either, only a matter of time capitalized. I hear you there. So he is different than your average rookie quarterback, but another reason why he's different. And I was talking about this with Daniel Jeremiah last week on 40s and free agents was he was the 20th or 22nd rank player on Daniel Jeremiah's board, for instance. Like, everyone wants to make fun of Mel Kiper who had him number one overall, whatever it was. Like a lot of people who know a lot about football and were putting everything that came along with Chador. to the side, like, thought, like, that's a first-round quarterback.

Maybe it's a late first-round quarterback. Maybe it's an early second-round quarterback, even. But, like, he had real talent. Dylan Gabriel, by the way, 144th on DJ's board. And everything that we've heard out of training camp is that, yeah, Shitter just looks like a more talented, ready-to-go guy. Dylan Gabriel's kind of look like a disaster by all accounts. And yet they're doing this weird thing,

even though Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel weren't healthy enough to do 11-on-11s and full team stuff last week, they were just running them through the seven-on-seven still, even though they're not 100% like ahead of Shudur. It was very weird. Kevin Stavansky is answering questions after the game. Doesn't want to give them much more credit. We'll update it through the week,

how they adjust the snaps and everything. But you mentioned a couple of the great throws. My favorite throw by Shadur was the one out of his own end zone, where he absolutely was under pressure, had to make a subtle move. inside the pocket and drilled it over the middle with a little bit of anticipation, 25, 30 yards up the field.

Great throw. And so there were three or four great throws. There were a couple groaners too. And like what, you know, he airmailed one where he's on the move. He's not a great, you know, throw around the move always. You know, when he was running backwards,

taking a sack a couple times and avoided a sack one of the times. Like he still looked like a rookie. It was an amazing game. I loved what he said afterwards, shook. said, you know, it was great to be out there. I'd give it a C plus.

Like, there's a lot to work on. And I was like, I kind of see that. I would adjust it for rookie, you know, grading and make it like a B, B plus. But it like, it wasn't a perfect performance. It just is exactly what you want to see out of a young quarterback, which is, okay, you're doing some difficult things really well. The mistakes weren't that bad. And you look like you belong, like you said.

So I just, I just want to see more. I think Flacco should be the starter. and he should basically be the Jackson Dart of this team fighting against the future Flacco to replace Flacco at some point in the season. Yeah, I agree. And I don't want to spend too much more time on this because we have a lot of games to get through. But at the same time, I do want to push back on one narrative

that kind of took off when it was announced that he was going to start in that game, which is that the Browns were setting him up to fail because they hadn't given him any first team reps. I think it was Mary Kay Cabot who said, that's not true at all because while the Browns have been working with Flacko and Pickett and Gabriel over here with the ones, twos, Shador has been on the field over on another field over on the side with Kevin Stifansky paying very close attention to him working through his own set of

situations with you know bottom of the depth chart guys but he's paying more attention to him than an average rookie or an average quarterback and I think we saw the benefit of that even in that first game so again I'm very fascinated by how this is going to play out I also caution you know don't don't raise the expectation through the yeah let this kid grow I agree I agree I agree next week might not go as well and then suddenly would just be back to where we have. But there were just little things like looking off the safeties, all this stuff. Flacco, by the way, said, I played my best football this week

in the joint practices against the Panthers. And reportedly, Flacco looked pretty good because I got more reps. Like, I need more reps. He was pretty clear about that. So to me, it just, it feels like you have another joint practice this week. It's like, give Flacco those reps and then give Shador more reps and see what happens. Anything else in this game that caught your eye. Bryce Young was in this game briefly, a beautiful throw to Tetaroa McMillan. So any of the teams that threw out some starters, that was exciting. That wasn't a touchdown to Tetaroa McMillan. It was a great improv play by Bryce to Jalen Coker for the improv. So a little bit of like Bryce continuing how he finished last season. Yeah, I think from

Tet, which I believe his nickname that everybody wants to establish. T-Mack, T-Mack, not T-Met. Yes, so T-Mack. He made a great play down. the sideline. That's his strength. That's what we knew his strength was coming out of college. Middle of the field, I think, still needs some work. There was an incompletion early in that game where he kind of got an alligator-armed. Maybe it wasn't exactly in the right place of the right time. But I see the potential with him as well.

On the Brown side, I already mentioned Luke Florey. Remember Gage Larvaname, the guy that I mentioned last week? He had a touchdown on a jet sweep. Keep an eye on him. I think he's going to make the team. And then the last bit of curiosity from the Browns is like, if you look at this roster, we talked about like, oh, maybe a couple of roster spots aren't going to be worried about sacrificing to keep a fourth quarterback.

Nick Needham is on this team. Demonte Casey's on this team. Nick Needham had an interception. Just weird, curious veterans on this death chart that I kind of just enjoy seeing playing on the field. Those are guys I could imagine making the team. They kind of need more guys. By the way, the brownies with a big win.

They're feeling good. They were undefeated in the preseason. They went undefeated in the winless season, too. They went undefeated in the preseason. Ravens 29, Colts. 16. This is going up this high in the show because of what happened with Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. Not only did Anthony Richardson leave the game with a pinky injury, which was not serious. He was already back at practice on Saturday and Sunday, but Daniel Jones comes

in and Daniel Jones throws for about seven yards per attempt and completes 47% of his passes. Does that remind you of anyone, by the way, seven yards per attempt, 47% of his passes? Oh, God, I can't think of a name off the top of my head. Who you alluded to? I am alluding to Anthony Richardson, like, last year. Oh, yeah. You're right. I went right over my head.

I should have known. That mixed bag from Daniel Jones, by the way. A couple of nice throws. A couple of, I mean, when he gets the ball out quick, it's all right. A couple of miscommunications with guys. He loves A.D. Mitchell. And I also am not 100% confident that he knows how to execute the RPO on a slant. He did it once successfully and he did it once very poorly.

So this is kind of the Daniel Jones that we've come to know over the last few years. Yes, maybe I'm just seeing things, and I'll watch the next couple weeks, too. He was so bad after, you know, his knee injury coming back last year. We just, I thought, played with so little confidence that this seemed like incrementally better. Maybe just like a little more comfortable. Like you just kind of look back to the older version of Daniel Jones, which isn't, I'm just saying he made a couple decent throws. He had a decent pocket feel on a couple of plays. And what Richardson did, not being able to see, you know, the oncoming rusher and changing the protection, it became a whole, you know, Twitter story for the weekend, all the former quarterbacks criticizing him and then some defending him.

My takeaway from that is just like, that's the type of thing that's going to get you benched in this battle that, like, not being able to finish a game because he's only started 15 games in the last two years, you know, because he just can't stay on the field. And it's already changed how they're going to rotate the quarterback. That was supposed to be a quarter and a half for Richardson. So now next week, instead, Daniel Jones will still start Shane Stuyken announced Sunday and get two series, which is actually a decent amount. And then Richardson will come in. So that means Daniel Jones is playing more with the starters. And even though Richardson's getting more time next week, I just think it's not setting up well for Anthony Richardson. And two series.

I know that you're trying to swap the rotation number, but two series suggests to me that Daniel Jones is ahead right now. I may be reading too much into it, but it's only, I mean, that's usually what you give to a starter or somebody who's leading a competition. You need to see more from the other guy. And I know it's because Richardson got knocked out of this game, but that doesn't bode well for Anthony Richardson right now. Right.

And he just like, Richardson just like a couple times, even in those four plays. He had one really nice place, but he just has that Ryan Tannihill thing where he just stands in there. Yes. And you, and Cam Newton. And he just doesn't move. And like those two guys could take big hits and throw and make it work. Richardson hasn't been able to stay on the field.

Tyler Warren just looks like he's going to be good right away. Ashton Doolin had a nice night. And then the biggest news for the Colts other than Richardson in that game was they lost a rookie cornerback, Justin Wally, for the season. It wasn't in the game, but they announced it after the game. And he was reportedly, according to James Boyd at the Athletic Slated to start, which was news to me. but a third round pick that was expected to start. They have a couple injuries at cornerback, so that is a concern for them.

They're a candidate to potentially sign someone, maybe a Stefan Gilmore, over the next couple of weeks. For the Ravens, didn't play their starters. Keaton Mitchell looked awesome. He is on the comeback trail. They have a really good back field there. And then it's caught my eye that Lamar Jackson's just had like an uneven camp, according to the reporters there, and according to Lamar Jackson.

He said during the broadcast, We're right where we need to be. I believe them. But reportedly some frustrations on Sunday and that the defense has gotten the better of them quite a bit with just something to notice. Just something to note. Yeah, we'll keep tracking it.

I'm not too worried about the team that was incredibly explosive last year. I'm not either, especially now adding Keaton Mitchell to the mix. If you could watch one running back over this weekend, I would suggest Keaton Mitchell, because to me, he's a really talented player who started to pop two years ago, It took them really a full season to get over that.

And if he's number three in a good backfield behind Derek Henry and Justice Silva, it just gives them even more weaponry. So the Ravens win that game. And the Ravens, you know, they had that long preseason streak. Start a new one. Get another one going. All right, Saints Chargers, we'll be quick on this. I went to the game today.

At one point, late in the first half, it was three to nothing. I think the two teams had combined for about 150 yards from scrimmage. It was ugly, and the Chargers ended up winning this game because of their defense. But, man, the Saints' offense couldn't get anything going. We're told that they want to be a running team, and they just could not run the ball at all. Spencer Rattler was their leading rusher today. Nick Shook. And Rattler, I don't think he did much wrong, but he didn't, you know, score any points.

part of it was they got stuffed on a couple runs near the goal line or else he would have he took a big hit trying to run one in and came up about a yard short on third down he didn't do much wrong and then he came out of the game

Tyler Shuck came in in a two minute drill made a couple nice plays got them moving down the field and got a field goal out of that and then the second half he threw a pick six and then threw a long touchdown after that so I think of the takeaway Shuck was much more up and down. Rattler was just kind of, you know, shooting for par, not very exciting,

and I don't think there's much clarity there in their quarterback battle. My sense is that Shuck is like making up a little bit of the ground that he might have lost over the first couple of weeks of camp. Yeah, I was spending some time just kind of pondering their situation today as it related to Derek Carr. And I know it's the preseason and, you know, your top two or three receivers aren't playing this game, but I'm starting to understand why Derek Carr was sold on retirement, Like on walking away from this situation. It's just not going to be a pretty situation with this team this year. Hopefully we get a little bit more clarity on the quarterback competition in the next couple of weeks.

Shout out to the woman few rows in front of me wearing the Derek car shirt today. Just feel like that doesn't age well. I just feel like hasn't gotten any new gear. It's still the preseason. She needs time to get some new gear. She needs to know the quarterback's going to be. But I just feel like it's not going to be popular with other Saints fans. I have noticed how quiet Trey Harris, the second round pick of the Chargers, have been in these games.

Him and Keandre Lambert Smith, both in this game, but couldn't get many catches. Taylor Hineke was absolutely awful. Trey Lance came in and led a touchdown drive that was just all Trey Lance scrambling. So Trey Lances look better than Hineke because this is the first we saw of Hineke and it was bad. And I just, I was sitting there thinking and all these people, and I know most of them got in on the secondary market for cheap, but I just kept thinking like, it's amazing the NFL keeps getting away with this. Right. Do I value my job?

No, I agree. No, you know what? This one is the easiest take to have because you know who says this all the time? Our boss is, bosses, bosses, bosses, bosses, boss is boss, boss, Roger Goodell. He always is saying how bad the product is of the preseason. And I'm just like, man, they made the people pay full price, like some people over the season ticket holders, had to like pay for the season ticket holders, had to like pay for. for this game.

It's a terrible, it's not good. I mean, there's a little fun things to it. As long as we're absolved of guilt here, there's been some pre-season games I went to when I was in high school that almost every year just got interrupted by like an hour and a half

thunderstorm and I'd show up sometimes coming, or like grade school, I'd show up after football practice on a Thursday to go watch Brown's Giants and it would storm for an hour and a half. Like, yeah, I mean, that's the fun in it. The fun in it is getting to the second half, half the stadium's empty and you don't even know

who the hell number 47 is that just made that great play who's probably not going to make the team. It's a cool thing for kids. I brought my son Walker and you can get closer than you maybe normally would, obviously for cheaper. And it's just laid back and you're just watching some football. And it is cool to see how fast it moves up close. So there is part of me that still loves it,

but still amazing they get away with it. The biggest ovation by far of the entire day was when on the Jumbotron. They showed Keenan Allen, the latest edition to the Chargers wide receiver room, a legend. And the other legend they had out for the game was Chargers kicker Nick Novak. That was the legend. Oh, that's a deep cut. As long as we didn't get another letter from Jim Harbaugh stating the team's intentions.

No, they didn't do that this year. I was very curious. Good memory from a year ago. Let's take a quick break. And we'll speed things up on the other side. But these were the quarterback battles we were into. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

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Two more to go. I was sitting there watching the Chargers thinking, man, like, their preseason already seems so long. This is already their third game, Nick. It just feels like it's too much. The Hall of Fame game already seems like a while ago. So we started talking about quarterback battles. Our next two games are just young quarterbacks.

I'm very interested in during the preseason. And that's Cam Ward of the Titans and then J.J. McCarthy of the Vikings. So let's start with the Titans game, the Bucks, with a big win against Tennessee. But I liked what I saw for the most part out of Cam Ward, considering the reports out of camp for the Titans this preseason and training camp. I think it was a nice shot of encouragement that he had a solid preseason performance. Again, it's small sample size. It's two drives, but you did have one long touchdown drive that included, I would say three good throws and showed some high-level stuff for a first-time appearance.

Yeah, the running theme between these next two games is, damn, I wish I saw that young quarterback play a little bit more than he did because J.J. McCarthy didn't play very much in the Minnesota game either. One of those three throws, it almost mirrored his. college tape at Miami where he had all day to throw in the pocket and scan the field and I'm not using this this is not a negative but it was not one of my three by the way I was like that was kind of a pass I'm okay I hear you though all right yeah and and like he he he surveys and then he makes the right decision but he does this like hesitation he like double clutches and then rips a bullet to his intended

target for a big gain and I was like okay there's the arm strength there's there's why he was the number one pick but there's also what I saw at Miami so again I just I want to see a bigger sample size. If it were up to me, I'd super sim. I'd simulate straight to week one of the regular season. So I could just see what Cam Ward looks like in a live game beyond the preseason, but encouraging stuff. I hear you. I mean, I could say that for all of this, but we can't, unfortunately, just sim to the regular season. The three throws I meant were, so that one was the 27-yarder to Calvin Ridley, who by the way, played, I believe one series or two series. It had 50 yards on three catches. So like,

He was doing everything. But Ward had another play where he got to his second read pretty quick, looked outside, then found the guy over the middle, got to it. And then he hit a third and nine and a third and six where he hit guys in stride. They weren't always the first read. It was like on time and nothing crazy, but kind of showing different clubs in the golf bag. Whereas Joe Milton, for instance, of the Cowboys will get to him later. Like, he's all too ironing.

He's all driver. I don't know what it is. You know, Cam Ward, he had one, you know, where it wasn't, like, perfectly accurate, but it was close enough, but he layered it in over, like, an underneath defender. That was the throw that he need on that. And so just nothing major, but liked it. Also, Taday Spears, who supposedly having a good camp, the backup running back for the Titans, is out with a high ankle sprain. so that is disappointing and yeah the bigger takeaways from this game unfortunately were injuries rashad white nick is out with a groin injury for a little while don't know if you had anything else

from this game that caught your eye he had a nice run before he went out in that game too um Sean Tucker my guy uh who's kind of buried in the depth chart he's a situational running back big bulldozing back had a really nice run that almost went for a touchdown and i think it was the next player two plays later he scores from like two yards out that was fun to see um mecca abucco tallies his first reception as a Buccaneer, a contested catch, really nice. I thought that Tennessee got away with pass interference on his other target.

The Buccaneers obviously put up a lot of points. Kyle Trask, ripping the ball over the field. But, yeah, I mean, that's essentially it. Oh, one last point. Actually, linebacker, Nick Jackson, undrafted linebacker, I believe he's out of Iowa. Six tackles, one sack, and one of the most impressive interceptions

you're going to see a la, T.J. Watt, maybe Aidan Hutchinson, off the edge. Just ball gets, like, deflected, or whatever. He just puts his one arm up in the air and snags it. If you haven't seen it, watch the highlights from this game just for that play. It's worth it. Okay.

I literally have not seen that play. And I guess this late 29 to 7 bucks victory just lost my interest at a certain point. Yeah, I like Egbuka making a play. By the way, Kim Ward's out there, the number one offense, at least for now, is Tyler Lockett, number two, Van Jefferson, number three in the year 2025. What are we doing here? What are we doing here, Titans? Let's let those young guys play.

That's what the Vikings are doing. J.J. McCarthy, you mentioned it. Not a ton to take away from one drive, but Kevin O'Connell was encouraged that the operation was good. And I kind of noticed that. I was like, okay, this just looks like a normal NFL drive. And he had one nice throw where he was running to his left. He had one deep out to J.J., to Jordan Addison, rather. which wasn't right on target,

but showed some nice anticipation and he ripped it and had a bad throw too, mixed in there. Again, it's one drive. They got into field goal range, like, okay, move it on and he'll probably play a little bit more next week. Yeah, the bad throw was a drive killer. It was on third down. He missed a guy that he had open.

But he also did with J.J. McCarthy did at Michigan, which is pick up a fourth down with his legs. He threw from, you know, multiple different platforms. He, another young guy who looked comfortable. And all in all, given the small sample size, I think Kevin O'Connell has a reason to be encouraged. Again, I would like to see more, but Kevin O'Connell doesn't like to play most of his guys in the preseason, you know, coming from that Sean McVeatree. So probably not going to see a ton of him, but I believe to this point, they have reason to be confident that JJ is going to, you know, be prepared for, you know, week one as their starter.

Yeah, unfortunately, they suffered a major injury in that game to the reserve receiver, Rondale Moore. And we're still waiting, I believe, to, you know, get confirmation, but almost immediately the team indicated that it was serious. And he was out all of last season as well. He was probably their number four, number five receiver. Lucky Jackson is a former XFL guy who right now is probably your number three receiver in week one because Jordan Addison is going to be suspended. So that's unfortunate for Rondale Moore, two straight seasons missed because of injuries.

You hate to see that. Sam Howell, by the way, who's been getting picked on a lot by the Vikings reporters that go to practice and has been losing snaps in practice to Brett Rippin played very well in the game. So maybe just a gamer. And Brett Rippin... Yeah, what the hell?

Yeah, so maybe he's got that backup job back. I didn't have a ton on the Texans, but I did reach out, Nick, to our friend, Seth Payne. Just for like a Jalen Newell, Jaden Higgins update? It's been quiet. I'm just like, what is going on with them? And he noted how Noel had a nice run-after catch in this game.

that they have been good in practice. He does think Higgins is going to end up starting for this team. So even though I haven't heard a lot, it does feel like those guys are going to be in the spots that you expected going into the season, maybe the third and fourth receiver. And then after that, it's it's these guys like John Mechie and maybe Braxton Berrios fighting for spots. Yeah, I actually felt like Mechie and Berrios took greater advantage of their opportunities in this game.

Mechie was the most targets in this receiving core. he seemed to be the most frequent contributor or at least the most attention paid to by whoever was throwing in passes, whether it was Davis Mills or you continue to go down the depth chart all the way to Keaton's Lovis. But Berrios, you know,

it's interesting because when you're trying to build these rosters and these position groups, you think, like, can we have balance in different archetypes out here to really fill out our group? And because there's so much uncertainty with how they're going to build out this group going into the season outside of Nico Collins

and I guess Christian Kirk, I like the idea of Berrios making this team as just a slot guy that you can do a number of different things. with if you want to get creative offensively. He had a good game. He caught a nice pass on the goal line and then barreled into the end zone for a touchdown. Just felt like a strong day that maybe might make the Texans say,

hmm, you know, maybe he does deserve a spot on this roster. He's one of those guys that will be on a roster. I don't know if they could get like a sixth round conditional for him or something like that if he can't make this roster, but he will be on a roster. The offensive line, maybe some steps forward. Ersery has caught Seth's attention. Again, I'm getting information from the man himself. And while I was checking his content out, while I was texting him, he had a great interview.

I recommend people check out on his YouTube page, Seth Payne, with Domeko Ryans, where, among other things, D'Miko Ryan says he has gotten all the energy vampires away from the Houston Texans. If you're an energy vampire and you're sucking that energy, I feel that D'Miko Ryan's. Life is too short to be around energy vampires. He's gotten him out of the Texans. And you know, if you surround yourself with somebody like that, you can feel yourself getting drained over time. I'm now curious, is that a veiled shot at like a Stefan Diggs or somebody?

I don't know. I have a couple notes from this game. No, they talked up. They seem to like Stefan. Yeah, okay. I don't know. Okay, maybe you're right. I don't know.

It's a pretty broad term. The rest of the games don't have as big time quarterback takeaways, but we do have a few ties to talk about. The Bears and Dolphins played on side. Sunday, they tied. I thought it was noteworthy that the Bears played Colston Loveland only six snaps, like with the very, you know, close to starters, some starters. There were starters on the offensive line, like a lot of teams they mixed, but they didn't start Caleb Williams. But Luther Burden played much more in this game. Braxton Jones was first up at left tackle. They're trying

to figure out their left tackle. And Luther Burden continues to make place, whether it is in practice or in the preseason, you could see that juice that he had on the field against the dolphins. Yeah, it was a bit of a rocky outing for the Bears' offense overall, but I mean, that's what you get when you're rolling with Tyson-Bajun, I guess, as your first string quarterback in this situation. I would like to go on the Dolphins side real quick. Congratulations to Alexander Madison. Not only did they swap you one-for-one, not in a trade, but by signing you with Rahim Moster,

but they also gave you Rahim Mosterd's old role, which is goal-line vulture. He had a one-yard touchdown run in this game. So that was an interesting stand out there. And by the way, we talked about this. I think you said this that, that dolphins, people that were at Dolphins camp had gotten excited by what they'd seen from Quinn Ewers, don't put on this tape. Because Zach Wilson and then compared to Quinn Ewer's night and day difference in terms of quality, he has a long way to go.

Did not look good for him. Which is rough because Zach Wilson went five for nine with four sacks. Yeah. We're at zero, by the way. Five for 18 with two sacks taken. two fumbles. And it continues a weird week for the dolphins. Jordan Brooks and a teammate fought at practice in Chicago.

And then more importantly, maybe the most interesting thing I saw all week was that the Bears felt like they dominated that joint practice with the dolphins, especially the Bears' defense who picked off Tua three times. I don't think Tua necessarily would have started this preseason game, but they had such a bad joint practice. They sent them out there, even without Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle ready to play.

And by the way, their first drive gets all the way to the end, and then it gets stuffed in the goal line on four straight runs, three of them right near the goal line. And that's bringing up all the bad memories for the Dolphins. They did cash in later. But when Tua was in, it was like their old short yardage, you know, woes are right there. But from the bear's side, the Bears players said on Tuesday, it was their own practice.

It was the most intense practice in 10 years in Chicago. Well, most intense practice ever, they were all fired up. And then when they came out for the joint practice, both sides reportedly played really well. And so maybe it's a little bit of that offense, especially in the team in general under Ben Johnson, kind of turning a corner. I think it's really interesting how coordinators take on the traits of the coaches

they used to work under because Ben Johnson is pulling right from the Dan Campbell playbook with his entire camp with the Bears, including that super intense practice that they had on Tuesday. Beat reporters were going to social media as soon as it was over saying, I've never covered a practice this intense in my career. And I'm like, whoa, wait a second here. And they all acted, you know, all the players, oh, business is usual.

We're just out there competing. But it was to prepare them for the joint practices and then prepare them for what they were going to see on the field in their preseason game. And that goal line stand kind of told me it's kind of working. There's a lot of gusto out of this camp about, you know, forming an identity around toughness, it seems, which is very much right out of the Campbell playbook.

So I'm really curious to see how does this look in the first portion of the regular season? Me too. I like what I'm hearing. We'll see. The Caleb of it all will see if he plays much in the preseason or not, but they sat him this week. And we've said it a lot of times on this show.

The joint practices in a lot of ways have replaced the preseasoning games for some teams. Although you are seeing just a little bit of an uptick in preseason play from some, like a to a that normally aren't playing in the preseason. And just a little bit of an uptick you saw around the league this week, I thought, for some veterans. The Broncos and 49ers played a football game. The Broncos won that game, 30 to 9. And I saw some Broncos fans honking like, we're looking awesome. I mean, give me a break.

You were down 9-0 with Bo Nix against the 49ers backups. I actually watched that. Bo Nix got flagged for a safety in the end zone because of a penalty. It's starting off in Thinland, great guys. I mean, it didn't, none of this matters that much, the results, but you are watching the process, watching who plays first. And, yeah, for what it's worth, when Bo Nix was in there, it was a punt, a safety. He almost threw an interception. He threw 11 passes for 31 yards.

They were down 9-0. And they tried to leave them in to, like, leave on a more positive note. And I think he did lead a field goal drive, but, you know, they didn't cash it in. And that was all against backups of the 49ers, who only even left their back. Hackups in for a couple drives. Mac Jones had a beauty, a 50-yard throw to Jordan Watkins, the great touchdown drive on their first drive. He played one more drive, and then the 49ers.

I don't think they, like, crossed the 50 the rest of the game. Like, they didn't score another point. I don't think they crossed the 50 the rest of the game after that first drive. It's very fun in preseason action how once guys cycle in and out, how the pace of the game can just change immediately. Like, Jared Stidham, shot to Stiddy, comes in with a 14-season action. for 15, 1336 yard, two touchdown performance, all that experienced from his past in the NFL,

shining in the preseason. But that's the type of stuff that happens in preseason games. It was interesting. Through a touchdown pass to Trent Scherfield, former 49er, catching touchdown pass Levi Stadium. There you go. It was nice. John Payton said after the game,

there's 14 things I'm ticked off about related to this trip, and none of them have to do with the game. That was a mystifying statement to me. Everyone in the Broncos organization is worried. What is he so ticked off about that has nothing to do with the game? It had something to do with like the trip, the operation, like, I don't know. You know, maybe the post-game meal in the bowels of Levi's Stadium wasn't good?

For my experience, it's pretty good there. He said he was ticked off. RJ Harvey, I thought, didn't look great. He is reportedly the RB2 behind J.K. Dobbins, not a big deal, but it was like a little indecisive. Sometimes with these running backs, you see him in the preseason, you're like, ooh, I see it. But that didn't happen for him. I mentioned that that long throw to Watkins. Mike L. Williams got her at 49ers camp, and he's going to be out a week. And then a couple of their defensive tackles who, you know, they want to step up. Alfred Collins and C.J. West had very quiet

games played a lot and really didn't make much of an impact. So they want to see some improvement there. Let's go to the Eagles and the Bengals. And I'm going to lead this game talk was something that didn't happen during this game. It happened Sunday with the Eagles. Unfortunately, Landon Dickerson left practice on a cart was their team scrimmage at the stadium and we will see what happens there, but that is the bedrock of their team, their offensive line, and they're already starting a new guard, Tyler Steen on the right side. So they obviously, Nick, just, you know, are hoping for the best for Landon Dickerson. Yeah, Dickerson has been, one of the constants as they've cycled out, you know,

interior offensive linemen, especially over the last few years, Jason Kelsey retiring and replacing them accordingly. And like you said, Steen coming in a right guard to replace McKaye Beckton. It's, he's the guy that you can definitely count on to get the job done. One of the better guards in the NFL. So not good news for them. We obviously know what they have at tackle. It's just this is the strength of their team is in their trenches,

and it builds out from there, especially in the defensive side. But offensively, losing a guy like that, yeah, definitely concerns you at this point in the season. We're in the preseason right now. That's why you're a pro. I mean, I know you were driving back for the wedding when that happened. There's no clue. I don't think that you are aware of that until I just threw it on you.

You're absolutely right. And I actually blanked on the name of Cam Juergens until I just looked it up right now. And I don't know how I blanked on him because he was my favorite center at that combine. No, but you are ready, you know, I know to talk about this barn burner, 3427, Eagles get the win. I mean, Tanner McKee is that dude. I made a joke on Twitter last week when, Nate Tice, my friend was wondering, like, why didn't the Browns just get Tanner McKee?

And he said this a week ago. Like, it was insane that they gave up something for Kenny Pickett. Why didn't they get Tanner McKee? And I was like, Tanner McKee was untouchable. Tanner McKee is that dude. I was only half kidding. I think the Eagles love Tanner McKee. I know he was behind Pickett last year, but he has only been awesome when he's played.

And then when he played in that Eagles game and I think it was his first throw, certainly his first touchdown to A.J. Brown, like he just went. for it touch timing like I really like him I think he's a guy that I'd feel confident in running that system and he was awesome in this game for what it's worth against the Bengals starters the the Bengals had what happened you don't want in the preseason shook which is that your starters got steamrolled by the other team's backups which is what happened to them their starting defensive players got steamrolled by the Eagles offensive backups.

Yeah, that's concerning, considering that all the talk in Bengals Camp was, this defense might actually be good. Right. And then Tanner McKee lights you up. Not great for them. It's, I keep thinking about the difference in appearance between Jalen Hertz and Tanner McKee and how they could both operate that offense. And I'm just like, you know what?

They did a touch push, though. They finished the drive with the touch. He's got five more inches on him to get it across the goal line. So it doesn't shock me. He is a tall dude. It kind of does. It doesn't shock me. You knew it was Nick Siriani, just like it's the first, you know, drive of the defending champions.

After they win the tush push case in the off season. Exactly. He just wanted to. I mean, they do have a lot of tall guys on this team. Johnny Wilson, six, seven, just had a beautiful, like, Moss type of play where he just plucked it over. Who was it? Was it DJ Ivy of the Bengals who was like 5.11? It's amazing. He had a 27 and 28 yard play. The two starting cornerbacks for the Eagles did not look good in this game at all, Adori Jackson or Keeley Ringo. The problem was they were playing the Bengals

starting offense. It doesn't go much better for wanting to play Joe Burrow in the preseason. Just Jemar Chase totally dominant going up and down the field. Like highlight real throws. Burrow goes nine for ten. So it's very similar to a year ago,

it was like awesome offense, awful defense, and special teams was the difference and they lose. And I hate that idea because I just, deep in my heart. I live in Cleveland, but there's nothing I want more right now than for Zach Taylor's team to start the season on the right foot because they just don't do it. Right.

And they can do it offensively. And I know it's the preseason, but it is your defensive start. Get together defense. Get this thing together before week one. Please. So the Bengals are part of the trend to play, you know, some more good players at the start of the preseason. and I really do think Chase Brown,

they're running back who looked awesome in this game and it's just sort of dawney on everyone. What a monster season he is set up for. That to me, he's like a first round fantasy pick. I know he won't go there, but he could be. Shamar Stewart's looked really good. I think they need to play him a little more with the ones. What's up, everybody?

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They just ran through the Packers. And the Packers were playing a lot of starters, I believe, on both sides of the ball. And they were just pushing them like six yards back. So it was everything that the Jets said they were going to do. They just ran the ball down their throats. It was Justin Fields scrambling. It was Brayland Allen, a little bit of Breeze Hall. And I thought the starters on both sides of the ball, for what it's worth, for the Jets, looked pretty good.

What have we talked about? The fact that the Jets are one of my sneaky teams to watch out, because I think they're just going to be a more professional operation. And I think it's going to start with the toughness. And how do you prove your toughness? You win on the ground. And they have the backs to do it. They have invested in the offensive line to do it. And then they have a quarterback who can do it when he finds space to run for a 13-yard touchdown.

Obviously, it's just the preseason. But I was pretty excited to see, you know, this performance, especially earlier in the game, from, you know, a good portion of their starters. And to have the ability down the depth chart to still run the ball pretty effective. I mean, like, look at the number of guys that had carries in this game. And then just like 42 yards, 33 yards, 17 yards, 14 yards, like minimal carries, just spreading it among a bunch of different people. I like this idea.

I'm really, really fascinated by this team. I just, I simply am. I was amazed looking at some of the practice reports on the athletic this week that Alan Luzard said this is the most talented group of receivers he's ever played with. I mean, that is the group that we're concerned about, right? I mean, that is the biggest bald-faced lie I've ever heard. I mean, I don't, maybe he believes it. Everyone, you know, you convince yourself into things.

I don't even know if Alan Lazzard, is he. Definitely on this team. He was in a sling, by the way, after the game because of a shoulder injury. But he was playing with the backups. He hasn't done much. They're not going to be great because of their wide receivers. But Brandon Stevens, who's starting, by the way, the former Raven at cornerback, really struggled with the Ravens last year.

According to the people there has had a great training camp. So that's good to hear. Some bad news for the Packers, Jaden Reed, according to their coach, Matt LaFleur, is uncertain for week one. He was in a walking boot at practice over the weekend. So that's unrelated to the game. He did not play in the game, but it was unknown previously that he was so banged up. And so that's really bad news.

And it means more on Matthew Golden, who had a couple nice reps in this game. Jordan Love, by the way, you know, playing your starters doesn't mean it's going to work. I think he went one for five. No, it didn't work for them. A couple drops, just a couple of weird plays there. But yeah, bad news there for Jane Reed. it sounds like he's a little iffy for the opener. Yeah, they looked like offensively with love on the field.

They look like a bit of a disjointed operation. But yeah, I'm more concerned about this group because, look, you finally spent a first round pick on a receiver in Matthew Golden, but you know that Christian Watson is out for a while, if not, you know, most of the season. And I mean, after that, it's, if Reed's heard, it's golden, it's Dobbs. It's Don Tavian Wicks, who's, you know, hit or miss, depending on the situation that you find him in. Savian Williams, like, yeah, I'm.

I'm a little bit concerned about this group overall. That's not a loss that you can just weather without, you know, a decline. Yeah, and there's been a bunch of bagged up players, too. The Bull Melton thing is happening. So he's not quite Travis Hunter, Boe Melton. If you're just tuning in, receiver for the Packers, who has changed positions to cornerback, and he's out there playing real cornerback spots,

and reportedly, according to Matt Schneiderman at the Athletic, is a lock to make the roster. Probably has like a fourth or fifth cornerback and it doesn't hurt that he has wide receiver flexibility. But just cool that we have one of those guys back in the league. Also a fourth round pass rusher, Baron Sorrell, making some noise, having a good game. I just wanted to have one positive thing to say about the Packers. Before we went to Rams Cowboys and I said something positive about Mr. August, Stetson Bennett. One of the reasons I went to this Saints Chargers game, shook, is because I've seen Stets and Benet.

it too much live over the last two years and it's been so bad and it was a treat to turn on my television and watch the greatest preseason trio broadcast team in all of sports jb long Maurice jones drew and mina kimes and maybe I'm biased I don't care I'm right and you know what I took away other than just enjoying their broadcasts I mean Stetson Bennett looked like a whole new player. That was by far the best he's ever looked at an NFL uniform. Sometimes maybe with a little bit of patience, we'll see, but he actually might become like a solid backup for them or something because he was spinning it easily the best he's ever looked. Let's not forget like a third of a third quarter from Sean McVeigh, you know, joining the broadcast live from the side.

Oh yeah, he's on. Let's not forget that, you know, before he passed it off because he had to handle a coaching duty. Yeah, you know, Stetson Bennett's game reminded me a lot of his Georgia tape, which is that you're kind of living on the razor's edge at times. It's a little like, oh, hold on to the edge of your seat, but it's also, okay, he made some plays, he threw some nice balls. He threw a great pass on fourth down, down the sideline, an incredible catch that had to be reviewed, stood upon review, and then they handed to Blake Hormner to finish it off. Blake Horm had two rushing touchdowns in this game.

It was a really strong start from this offense, just overall. They dominated the Cowboys in the first, like, 20 minutes of this game. Now, there's two sides of this coin, of course, because Joe Milton was on the other side, struggling to get anything going with that offense and most of the Cowboys backups. But I was very impressed by what I saw from the Rams. And yeah, maybe he will be a healthy backup. They have Jimmy Garoppolo seated behind Matthew Stafford right now. We know the whole Matthew Stafford situation, the pregame workout over the weekend,

you know, that sort of thing. That's good. That's good. Progress, progress. But long term, I don't know. Maybe. Or maybe he'll just be a preseason star forever. Who knows?

Maybe. Stafford will practice in some form on Monday, like you mentioned, went through a workout. I saw a little clip of DAC before the game talking to Ram's owner Stan Cronkey, and he said, we'll see you in the NFC title game. I was like, oh, okay. I guess it's one of those things you say, but I like that. I like it. They're going to believe in yourself. Cavante Turpin had the night off, which to me kind of said, okay, he's their third receiver. Joe Milton, you mentioned, started this game. He's the backup now, former New England Patriot. they would have had the number one overall pick likely Travis Hunter

maybe Abdul Carter if not for Joe Milton playing very well against the Bill's backups in week 18 some of his throws in this game were crazy I mean they were crazy they were like he has such a strong arm but he uses that strong arm on every single throw and it was kind of rough to be honest but sales one down the middle of the field yeah he made up for it in the

second half and started, you know, scoring some points against against the Rams like deep backups, but, but yeah. Yeah, I think the, the one throw that maybe typifies where Joe Milton is in his career right now with the arm strength being his greatest attribute is when he dropped back on second and seven, I think, and launched a rocket into the end zone into double coverage for an interception. Like, there, there were times where I think his best play that he made this game was on a read option where he took off for a first down. Yeah, I, it was not the Joe Milton we saw for the Patriots throwing the ball in the first half. The second half, he started to settle in against lesser competition.

But for Cowboys fans who, you know, were banging the table in celebration that, oh my God, we finally got a backup with some legit upside because we got Joe Milton from the Patriots. And look at that tape from that week 18. Cool your jets. Okay. He's got upside. He's got upside. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

But you got to let him develop. I would probably take Cooper Rush to win a game right now over him. But we'll see. Kair Elam, I noticed, also sat for this game because he's so locked in as they're starting cornerback. So that's just the former Bill's first round pick. Mazi Smith continues to struggle, former first round pick for the Cowboys. It just seems like he might be coming to the end of his time.

And it really struck me that when Daniel Jeremiah last week was at Cowboys and Rams practice, he's so polite about everything, the way he says things. but he said that the one group in that game that needed some work, like in the joint practice, you know, the Rams' offense looked amazing and the Rams defense is flying around and the Cowboys' offense, they made some plays. But that Cowboys defense, like, he said it in a very humble way, just like, they got some things to work on.

I was just like, that's like, that's a dig from Daniel Jeremiah. Let's go to the cards and the chiefs, another team, playing a guy in the preseason that really hasn't played much in the past. Kyler Murray and Kyler Murray threw a number of really nice throws, averaged over 11 yards per attempt and had maybe the worst interception of the entire weekend, including Joe Milton. And yet after the game, he had a great attitude about it. You know, again, I say, you know, haven't played in the preseason a long time,

I've really enjoyed playing tonight, you know. You know, kind of just football's here again. It was the best time of the year to be able to go out there and just be out there with the guys. Maybe it's not football's back, but if football is here again, I just heard that, I like that. I like the attitude. I almost sensed a little bit of sarcasm

in the way that he said really enjoyed playing tonight with that smile. No, I think he was serious, man. I think he was serious. That's not nice. Yeah, he finished the game perfect after throwing that pick, which was nice. He was, he was what you expect from him,

except that interception, which, I mean, I started laughing. when I saw it happen live just because it was like where was that ball going but that happens this preseason you have time to work that out

on the quarterback front with the rest of this game Gardner Minchew replaced Patrick Mahomes after the Chiefs needed like two plays to score because the Cardinals fumbled their opening kick

Minchew is Minchew and I see why they added him he is still the same guy who can still make a play here and there and also again hanging on the edge you see a little bit but the last thing

I was really looking for from the Chiefs was some clarity in the offensive line, not a lot of snaps for their starting five. Josh Simmons only played 10 snaps. So I don't think we're going to get a lot of a sample size from them this preseason. They were running in a lot of different guys, especially at right tackle later in the game. You know, it's fun to watch as they try to figure this out, but I think they're pretty close to figuring out four of their starting five at this point, maybe three so far.

Simmons, Humphrey, Trey Smith, and then, yeah, but we're going to wait and see what the rest of this happens. Just didn't get a lot of sample from them. Yeah, and Simmons was great in the 10 snaps he had. They'll play more next week. Andy Reid always plays the starters. You got to love if you're the Chief's offense hearing you're going to get one drive. And then that drive happens to start at the whatever 12-yard line or something. Patrick Mahomes with an incredible one-for-one, I think it was like a three-yard touchdown, a one-yard touchdown.

It was an awesome grab, by the way, by Jason Brownlee, who is battling for a playoff spot, I mean a roster spot. Both him and Tyquan Thornton, like, could be as high as, you know, the third or fourth receiver if these injuries don't shake out. Rishi Rice's suspension is still expected to come at some point. Jalen Watson, by the way, their starting cornerback had a concussion. Christian Fulton is still coming back from an injury this offseason, so they're a little thin at cornerback right now. And another part of that, Kyler Presser that caught my attention. He said, this is the best I've ever felt in an offense. I'll take it.

I just like, I just like it, we got like a, we've got Kyler really exuding, I love football this year for whatever reason for a guy that maybe some people thought was like a little loof in the past. So I don't know if something's changed. Well, we know what the situation's changed. I mean, this is kind of a prove it year for him with this organization. Sure.

So that would explain it. They were, by the way, they were a little sloppy to start. They had three penalties for 32 yards in the first 18 minutes of this game. And obviously, we talked about the fumbled opening kickoff return. that put them in a 7, nothing whole immediately. They did kind of figure it out and finish pretty strong, but again, it's a preseason game, so how much do you take away from that? Interesting note to me, L.J. Collier, seems like he's probably fighting for a roster spot.

He was playing in the third quarter of this game, but he recorded a sack. So, you know, a nice little feather in the cap there. I would say that's a bad sign. Yeah, former. Yeah, playing the third quarter is a bad sign, yeah. Right. Anyone playing the second half, especially this first week. It's not a great sign.

Let's go to Steelers Jaguars. Steelers 21, Jaguars, or 31 to 25, big win for the Steelers. Let's just get right to the biggest news of the day. Cam Little hit a 70-yard field goal. I don't care that it was the preseason. This is the new record. I know. It counts as the record.

It's like it's just as far. But it's not like the kick would be any harder in the regular season. Right. It's not like he, oh, well, he did it against backups. No. He nailed that thing. I was I was freaking amazing

I saw that and I was like wait 70 wait that's my what like yeah it's freaking amazing Kim Little you're gonna be one of the best

kickers in the league nice rookie season by Cam Little last year by the way awesome you somehow took away Travis Hunter being the top story in this game a game where

a top five pick played over you know 10 snaps on both sides of the ball I mean that's ridiculous it's just ridiculous that he's already doing this i mean people are already getting used to it but it's ridiculous he had a couple short catches he had another catch taken away by penalty nothing really uh happened he played two series at cornerback after that so he played offense first and then he played

defense no one threw at him at cornerback but it's just it's just cool that this thing's actually happening full yeah it is he's going to play both sides a little inside baseball moment here um I believe, I don't know if it's been fixed since then, but live, Travis Hunter was listed as a receiver and next gen wasn't listed as a corner. Luckily, he didn't get thrown at, so I didn't really get to test this out, but I was like, oh, God, what if he's in coverage and there's no numbers for him because he's listed as a receiver? It's good. It's like Madden.

Madden came up with a new ability for him this year. I think it's called Iron Man. It's exclusive to him because he plays both sides of the level. What if you're in a fantasy league that has points for tackles and interceptions? Like some people do the individual defensive players. So does Travis Hunter count as just one guy? I would think so. You don't have to draft Shohei Otani in fantasy as like a pitcher and a hitter, right?

He just counts as one, I think. I don't know. So that's what they should do. It was very interesting. Travis E.T.N got all the reps with the starters in Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence, I thought, looked solid in this game. Weird. Eric Armstead still hasn't come back from his injury.

He might not play week one. And Brenton Strange, who supposedly has had a really big camp, is their tight end one for the Jaguars and had a big play in this game. And I noted our friend John Shipley said Parker Washington, he was trying to pick who has had the breakout summer of anyone on this team. And he thought Parker Washington, who's their third receiver, slot guy mostly, and Trayvon Walker, he thought were the two best players so far. Interesting that Walker commented a few days ago about money doesn't motivate him because he's essentially playing for his next contract right. now. I actually like that. I think that being motivated by production when you're a former number one overall pick is probably more important than money. So that's something to keep an eye on. Is this his year that he really delivers after, you know, falling short of expectation? It's gotten

better and better though. It's been a steady climb. Yeah, but it's not, when you're drafted before Aiden Hutchinson and then Aden Hutchinson becomes who he is, they're always going to hold that against you. The Parker Washington thing, I love little receivers, especially ones who come from Big Ten schools that nobody really knows about. And then they make a few plays like one season. And And suddenly they're the heartthrob of that local fan base. So good for him. Well, they really would be deep because they have Diami Brown, remember, and then Travis Hunter's at wide receiver.

So that's a nice group if Brenton Strange is better at tight end with Brian Thomas Jr. The touchdown by Darnell Washington in this game was just like, I love Darnell Washington. It's like a sixth offensive lineman. He's just a beast. And it looked like him going up against me. I mean, the cornerback that he, He like just bodied for position was like 511 180, but compared to Darnel Washington, he just looked like a little midget.

We got to do more with Darno Washington in the year 2025. And then finally, my last point on this game shook. I just want to love something in my life as much as Pittsburgh Steelers reporters love Mason Rudolph and swear he's the best backup quarterback in the league. I mean Yeah, I mean This is a guy who's Curried a lot of favor with them over the years Especially when he had to step in

When they didn't have anybody A quarterback a few years ago He left, he came back He's on the Tredavius white path Back to the old town that loves him If you watch Hard Knocks last week You saw plenty of that But he also was overshadowed by

I cannot believe I'm saying this And this, the year of Our Lord 2025 Skyler Thompson's three touchdown passes It's in 233 yards. I'm never going to... Yeah, let's move on. I'm not even going to go further. Caleb Johnson, by the way,

they're rookie running back. 10 touches, I think 26 yards, 10 touches and targets combined. So that's not ideal. Let's move on to the Seahawks and the Raiders. Our second tie of the week, this was back on Thursday night. The Raiders starters,

Gino, Ashton Genti were barely out there, but they did not get anything done. If you wanted a takeaway from the Seahawks, probably that Torrey Horton, who Dana Jeremiah shouted out last week on 40s and Free Agents, kept that momentum going. Like, he is a story. He looks like he's emerging as a receiver for them.

And it just looks like a Clint Kubiak offense or a Gary Kubiak offense. Fullback, under center, play action. So you just kind of like saw what the Seahawks are going to look like. That was about it. But the first teamers, at least on Seattle's side, I'm getting my side's confused with Gino coming back there and Pete Carroll.

It's just like they're all just seemed like one team here. Oh, yeah, that is kind of weird. I know there was some attention paid to how they greeted the fans when they came out of the tunnel. Google that if you're interested. Yeah, Gino flipped off someone who had a sign that said, like, who's the biggest bust in NFL history, like Jamarcus, Russell, or Gino Smith?

I was like, first of all, I thought, Seahawks fans kind of love Gino for the most part. Second of, like, that's an insane... He didn't trade himself. Well, also, Gino Smith just played very well for you for a few years. Like, he's not even... And he was a second round pick. Like, obvious...

It's almost silly to factually go after this poster. But Gino Smith was a second round pick who just played at like a Pro Bowl level for the last three years compared to... Yeah, I'll shut up. I'll shut up. Change uniforms. I wasn't going to bring that. up, but you brought it up.

Yeah, I had to bring it up because that was my biggest memory from this experience that happened in Seattle over the weekend. That's where we are in the preseason. That's where we are. The change uniform and your fans that used to love you. They loved your soundbite on Monday night football. Now they hate you. Jalen Milrow had like a 27-yard run in this game.

Like, it was nothing. So just that was his greatest strength at Alabama, put a foot in the ground and take off. And then the, I don't know if there's a QB2 battle for the Raiders, but Aiden O'Connell had two just awful interceptions and then cam miller who i know nothing about really but was handpicked in part by tom brady was a tom brady approved sixth round quarterback comes in and is great late you know gets them back in the game has to do a quick drive to give him a chance it gets blocked at the buzzer but at least it got close uh maybe this is the start of a tom brady like career by well he was picked later than tom brady picked two 15

I mean, Greg, if you could guess any school that he's from, could you just pick one? Well, I read about it, like, twice this weekend, and yet I still can't remember off the time. It's the home of Trey Lance, North Dakota State. Okay. Carson Wentz, actually. That's a quarterback factory.

Yeah. Dante Thornton, by the way, for the Raiders, kind of set as their starter. And then there was, like, a part of this game where there were three linebackers on the field for the Raiders, or at least on the depth chart, it looks like, and the three linebackers are Jermaine. Pratt, Devin White and the Landon Roberts

and I'm thinking like, what year is this? And you're playing three linebackers? Jamal Adams had a good game. I don't know. Pete Carroll said Devin White's back. So, you know, prove it to me, Devin. Yeah, I think the Jamal Adams edition, by the way, is probably the most Pete Carroll

move that the Raiders have made since he's taken over. And he was flying around there. I'm happy for him. It would be nice for him to just have a nice season as like a useful player for them because he was a great player who's career went on the skid so hard. I did not think he was going to get another job in the NFL, but Pete Carroll

at least given him a chance. All right, let's talk Lions 17, Falcons 10. The big takeaway from this game, unfortunately, was Maurice Norris, the player for the lions who the game was suspended for because he was out on the field. The game stopped. Eventually, he was put on a stretcher and left. details were not forthcoming, but when Dan Campbell said after the game, very emotional that Morris was breathing and had all his feeling the extremities, the phrase breathing really struck

me there. And I think everyone was just very worried in the moment. And it's a very strange scene where at first the Lions and Falcons were like running clock just to have the game end. And then the NFL stepped in and just did end the game so it sounds like he's better he's been talking with his teammates from the hospital and uh you know we just we just wish him a full recovery and there weren't a lot of other like huge takeaways for me football wise in this game nick Kyle Allen is the backup quarterback right now I think for the lions because hendon hooker just kind of can't get it going yeah he started this game and he had a couple fumbles uh Alan threw a really nice touchdown pass to Isaac to Slaah who is probably one of my favorite guys out of this

rookie class he's looked good in both of his preseason game so far he's a lion's fan which is always fun to like match the guy hard fan with their team when they become a pro he had a really nice touchdown grab two catches for 18 yards but the touchdown grab keep an eye on him I think that he's going to find ways to contribute yeah I think he's going to find ways to contribute and soften especially first year post ben jonson just keep an eye on him it's it's easy to just like bring up some some tape at this time of year it's just like oh i want to go see what isaac de slaw did this week oh it's only two targets let's go watch it or three targets let's go watch oh i want to watch cam ward start i didn't watch that live oh nine dropbacks

boop press the button all right that takes like five minutes it's fantastic uh pretty soon it'll be 65 65 dropbacks or whatever it is it'll be crazy i want to give the falcons some note because every team gets some notes if they're listening casey washington has been the Darnel Mooney replacement and looks like he's going to make this team like a third or fourth receiver. There's some spots open according to Atlanta Falcons.com at two of the defensive back spots. Rookies Xavier Watts at safety and Billy Bowman at Nickel have a chance to win these spots, but they have not cemented them. But the Falcons are sticking, you know, with not playing a lot of starters in the preseason or even backups. So there's not much more for me to take

from this game. Yeah, if I had to pick one to win a job at Xavier Watts, he was a stud in college. I think that his play style transitions very well to the next level. And I think that he'll pretty quickly, maybe by the end of preseason, take that job. He was a monster at Notre Dame. I love that pick when they added him. I think he'll take that job. All right, wrapping up with the Patriots and the commanders, Patriots 48, commanders 18.

Mike Vrable is diving into piles, get, you know, during fights, getting bloody, and then they're coming out and they're sending a message in the preseason week one. How do we feel about Travion Henderson returning kicks? I mean, obviously we feel great because he took it back 100 yards. He scored a touchdown on this first touch. I know, but also, like, do you want to do that?

Yes, yes, because to me, he's a secondary running back for now. Ramandri Stevenson looked awesome in this game. Ramandre Stevenson is one of those guys that either looks awesome or doesn't look good. Or fumbles. And you can see it or fumbles. But like you can see it. His weights changed like over the years.

And he looked great. He had three great runs in this game. So they're going to use them both. Trayvion Henderson had a big week of practice. And he also had a catch, I believe. It wasn't a run where he just delivered a blow to some poor Washington cornerback, who I think he might have concussed. But it just was like, wow, this guy can not only.

has the speed, but can play with some real power. So I think that's going to be what they want to build their offense off is those two guys and Antonio Gibson as the third running back. And in an offensive line led by Will Campbell, that's better run blocking probably than it is pass blocking. That's what Campbell's at least, M.O. and I think some of the other guys on the offensive line as well. That explains why they invested in Henderson after paying remandre too.

That's an identity shift. If we're sorting out this receiver position, Efton Chisholm, I feel like that's not quite one of your guys because Kyle Williams is your guy and I don't think you can have two guys in the same team. That's just my rule that I'm making up right now on the fly. But Efton Chisholm with six catches 50 yards and a touchdown, maybe making a bit of noise. And a ridiculous catch at Sunday's practice that got all over the Patriots inner webs where, yeah, he gets super vertical more than I would have expected, catches it at its high point, gets his feet inbound. Right now, I don't think Kendrick Bourne is making this team.

They could maybe get something for Kendrick Bourne. Maybe not on this contract, actually. And by something, I mean like a late round pick swap. I don't think Jalen Polk, who got hurt in this game, is making this team, although they might be able to just stash him on injured reserve. And so at this point, I think Efton Chisholm has a pretty good chance to make this team as a six receiver. Maybe Jvon Baker, who's a special teamer, is battling him there. But yeah, I think they're deep enough at receiver.

I don't know if they're good enough, but I think they are deep enough. I don't think that if teams that are needing receivers are looking somewhere, they should direct their eyes to Foxborough. Yeah, there's a couple. There's some talent there. Yeah, Matt Collins is that wide receiver sort of tight end hybrid almost that's starting. Drake May, by the way, in the joint practices, everyone was all fired up in New England after the joint practices,

that the offense probably had their best day in the joint practices against Washington and they've been having against themselves. But something similar happened in the game, Nick, which is that like Drake Mays played really well, moved the ball, except for having like a big turnover. And he had a bad fumble early in this game despite the score where his two rookie offensive linemen up front, Campbell and Jared Wilson seemed to get confused on a stunt and that pressure got right to May. But he had to just take the sack and instead he just kind of started doing something crazy and he lost a fumble. Do we have something good to say about the commanders here? Nope, just Patriots all the time because I have so many Patriots notes. They had like three tight ends.

I don't know if Kyle Dugger is going to make this team. That is a prediction. I think Kyle Dugger will be traded. They will be able to get something for Kyle Dugger. I think Kyle Dugger and Anthony Jennings, who started a lot of games, will both be traded. Kyle Dugger for more than Jennings. Could you get like a fourth round pick for? for Kyle Dugger?

Yeah, I think that... He's had some good... I mean, he was good enough to get a monster contract from them not long ago, but I think... Yeah, I think a fourth is a safe flight. I don't think it would go as... I mean, I don't know.

I think, like, the Browns ones traded a fifth for Amari Cooper, so it really depends on who you're dealing with, but... Fourth feels maybe right, late fourth? Like, he... In the right role, he can really make a difference, but he just did not seem to fit what they want to do, and they're now playing him with backups and stuff,

so it's just like, okay, I don't think they have a role for him. To answer your Washington question, Jaden Daniels reportedly looked really good in those joint practices too, but it's a lot of Echler and Ertz. You know, it's, they really, they could use their wide receiver, Terry McLaren,

to be back and someone else to step up. Noah Brown's been out, and they really miss Noah Brown, which is a bad sign. Luke McCaffrey just isn't happening. And Trey Amos, here's something positive. Their rookie cornerback has reportedly been a consistent bright spot,

immediate starter just really looks like a veteran even though he's a rookie so i'm excited to watch him play yeah they need that because a lot of that defense is veterans like if you run through their starting 11 with amos involved you have a ton of guys who have played a lot of football in the NFL to this point in their career not a lot of young guys other than like mikey sanders still so yeah adding adding amos into the lineup if that's a win like acquiring a player in the offseason you know a rookie and he can be a starter that's a huge win for you because eventually not this year but you know time comes for everybody you're going to have to turn over that roster you need some young guys to be able to stick and produce quickly I'm glad you made that point because I wrote I had a note from I believe this I'm not sure this was from that the average age of their free agent pickups they're old

30 yeah 30 on average I got heat I went on DC radio this week and I compared him to the 2007 Browns because that was a veteran laden team and the only difference is that Derek Anderson was the quarterback of that team he was obviously not a superstar like jane daniel's And I got pushed back in that, you know, obviously they're flying, you know, high after what happened last season. They believe that, you know, they're just like the 08 Browns did Super Bowl. And so they don't want to be compared to them because the team that followed the 07 Browns went 4 and 12. But this is why, because they're old. And especially on defense, they're very old because Dan Quinn wants proven guys that he knows can come run his defense. And I'm just saying there are pitfalls to that approach. They do have Jayden Daniels.

They do. And that's the big difference. Who did the Browns have? They had Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. Yeah. Yeah. Johnny Newton, he's young. One of my favorite draft picks last year,

kind of had an up and down rookie year, was playing in this game when most of the starters were not. So maybe not a great sign, but he did have a sack. So is he going to have a role? I hope so. Their first round pick, Josh Connerly, was rotating in practice with Andrew Wiley. And then we will wrap this entire update.

We hit all 32 teams with a big. Bill update. And if you forgot, Jacori, Kroski Merritt, who I was saying, let's follow this guy. He's this type of guy that you want to watch in the preseason. He didn't really have a great game. Oh, no. The blocking was bad for him. I saw the energy, but we want more out of week two of Bill.

Yeah, yeah. He was the most random player that I typed up and was like, all right, let's watch the Kroski Merit. snaps. That's like a Damon Chee He Giuseppe reference right there. What took a punt back for a touchdown in a preseason game? The guy who lied his way onto an NFL team. I thought he actually, for 24 yards on seven carries,

I thought he looked pretty good. He also had an eight-year catch. But not a lot of room, rugged. I'm excited to watch what he was. I want to circle back, by the way, to Connolly real quick, just because he was one of my favorite tackles in this class, especially because of the way he moved at the Combine. Put together some good tape, you know,

just little snippets of good. tape in his first preseason action because he can move and he moved well there was a play there where he went from one block to another seamlessly very swiftly i like i like what washington has in him i like what we have in you shuky you came from that wedding hours away you stayed sober you made it happen for the listeners we will be back next sunday night recapping preseason week to play the music we also will be back monday And we may get an update if I upset my hand. A couple shows I'm really excited about starting with a QB tears show.

Mike Sando's got those QB tiers where he gets all the smart people to do it. I'm going to go against Mike Sando with my QB tears. Look, when we're talking Kroski Barrett, you know football's going to be. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from, breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters we study the tape talk to decision

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