NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Teams that Could Draft Sorsby, Chip Watch and Other Minicamp Nugs

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon react to Brendan Sorsby entering the NFL's Supplemental Draft and discuss which teams could try and draft the quarterback. The guys also discuss Sean Payton getting a contract extension with the Broncos, give you an update on Chip Watch, give you an update on Justin Herbert and Ladd McConkey's heal, and remember Aldon Smith. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to crank up that supplemental mock draft. It's coming. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with my friend Patrick Claibon. Appreciate it everyone who checked out and enjoyed the flag football extravaganza on Monday. If not, go check it out. But for today's show, Patrick, we're diving back into the news.

A lot to catch up on, including. what's going to be our first supplemental draft, it appears, in seven years. Do you know what the supplemental draft is? Yeah. Guys get left out of the process. Maybe something doesn't necessarily work out. There's a supplemental, an extra, an addendum to the NFL draft, where you can utilize your pick value on one of these players.

And generally, it hasn't been worth it. Well, it hasn't happened very often lately, but back in my day, you know, I feel like in the aughts, in the early, you know, tens, we had a supplemental draft every year. It just usually be like a third or fourth or fifth round pick because some player would be ruled ineligible that wasn't expected to be. Now that doesn't tend to happen. But yes, Brandon Sorsby is where we're starting the news. We have some important chip watch updates. Yes.

We have some contracts. We have some of our old favorites with good sound, Dan Campbell, Jim Harba. And we do have a little update from Patrick Clay. who watched the beautiful game live across the street. So-fi. So I do want to hear a little bit about that to wrap the show. But we'll start with Sorsby. If you haven't been tracking this story,

he was a transfer from Cincinnati to Texas Tech, thought of as a promising pro prospect, got about $5 million, reportedly, in NIL money. Thank you for that. You always don't believe the NIL recording. But he then... admitted to gambling a lot on a lot of college football games and other sports, including his own team and entered a rehabilitation program.

The college football world was up in arms when a judge in Texas decided Soresby would be eligible to play. But weirdly, that decision seems to have led directly to him not playing for Texas Tech because the criticism, the outroar of the college football apparatus allowing Soresby to potentially play this year was so aggressive. I think he just decided, and Texas Tech decided it is not worth the trouble. That came on the same day as the Big 12 actually filed a lawsuit, which would have allowed teams to sanction Texas Tech, maybe not even play against them. Who knows? It sounds like either Soresby or Texas Tech or both of them just decided this isn't worth the trouble.

And so he is applying for the supplemental draft. And it's a rare time that I've covered the league where the supplemental draft has a real intrigue because if you squinted, like I'm hearing some people say they would some team use a first round pick? Would some team use a second round pick? I think a third round pick is very much in play for a talented quarterback. But there are obviously concerns about him, Patrick. Yeah. You know, those of us shield adjacent now and who still protect and carry. The Shield, do countless hours of NINGO training to be fully aware of the NFL gambling policy,

to know every apparatus and every aspect, everything you were allowed to do and not do with relation to a casino or sports betting, which is nothing. You can't do nothing. In fact, the prescription is to snitch on people who do. There's a specific snitch hotline to call out anybody who's taking part in this process. And so Brendan Storby is going to have to navigate that. The decision and the appeal decision. the statements.

Everything to me seems to indicate that Brendan Sorsby is still very willing to take calculated risks. Nailed it. This is a bet on yourself. And I think teams are going to be comfortable with it. You know, you see Kalshi, you see all these things in any number of places where people are willing to partner up

with. Are you willing to devote the energy and attention to a particular player? That's that quarterback that's going to be all of these things. things because there's been a lot of distraction talk during my time covering the national football league. This would fall into that. But it seems that only certain distractions are worthwhile. And so this one probably wouldn't be that much of an issue for other teams.

I think he's only taking that calculated risk because they felt like they had no other good alternatives because it would have been miserable to try to play for Texas Tech. Maybe they were getting the field legally. that it wasn't going to happen anyways. It was going to become a problem for the university. And in general, it was just like, okay, I guess I'll do the thing I didn't really want to do, which was go pro instead of getting this money and getting better because he seems like a player that could use the development.

Plus, he might want his life to calm down a little bit after being embroiled in this, you know, crazy gambling fiasco. Yeah, the supplemental draft isn't going to calm it down very much, but 6-3, 235, 27 touchdowns, five interceptions. This is a player that's going to get a lot of energy and attention. I think about Tim Tebow's cell phone number getting leaked. I think about people throwing

fake money at Johnny Mansell and at Cam Newton. Message board drama is always going to be a part of college football as well as snippy lawsuits and teams saying that they're going to do this and threatening consequences for that. That's just a general part of college football.

And if those things were enough to say, all right, I'm out for Texas Tech and for Sorsby, I just think those are the things that everybody has to deal with to a certain extent, especially when you're playing at a high level. But good luck to him.

Hopefully he's better. And yeah. Well, I think NFL teams have to be concerned if he was truly addicted to gambling, which by his actions and his statements, you have to take them at their word. And he was gambling a lot. I mean, it was next level.

And losing, Greg. And losing. That's the most. as one does when one gambles generally. I mean, he's one strike away, you would think, from lifetime banishment. And there is a world where he could be suspended. We don't know that. NFL teams don't really know that.

I don't know if they're going to get any clarity on that. Kayshan Booty admitted to gambling in college not as extensively, and he only admitted it a year after he was already in the NFL. They didn't take any action against Kayshan Bouti. on booty. So who knows? But, you know, NFL conduct decisions tend to track

with reaction and conversation. Good point. So, yeah, the NFL might feel like they have to make a stance here so he would maybe be suspended for those curious, like, what kind of player he is. And I read a lot about him. I watched some of his tape.

Look, he was the number one ESPN transfer portal recruit. this offseason, and this is before all this happened. So he was a highly thought of player. Depending on the draft analyst that you want to trust, people think he probably would have been the third quarterback in this last draft. It wasn't a great draft.

If you put him into next year's draft, who knows. You could go from Nate Tice, who I reached out to last week, actually when it sounded like he was going back. And he thought he had him as like a third or fourth round type of guy. Back in the day, he would say a supplemental draft, you almost knock around off it because it's a pain in the ass. Almost put him around lower than he normally would. That's where he had him.

But he is the type of player that some teams could get excited about because it's like arm angles. It's scrambling. He's physically talented, a lot of rushing yards as a pro. And then he's really avoided like turnover worthy plays according to PFF and mistakes and sacks. So that's a nice combination of like highly talented, doesn't make a lot of mistakes,

but doesn't necessarily show a lot of the stuff that gets Nate Tice specifically excited, which is a lot of like the real quarterbacky going through your progressions and anticipation. And so you haven't really seen a lot. He's kind of an unmolded clay type of guy who could have used another year of college. And so somebody that feels comfortable

in a developmental situation where you can coincide that with monitoring and making sure that they're relapse, you know, we don't have any issues like that, then I think a team will be perfectly comfortable with it too. I mean, yeah, how can you be that sure of that? But, okay, I looked at the teams that have some extra draft picks here. Okay.

That also need quarterbacks. Here's a few. The Miami Dolphins have four third round picks. I mean, that one stood out to me. So the way it works with a supplemental draft, you can't, first of all, it's done over email. It's way too complicated to explain. explain how the teams are structured, but it's essentially six wins are under,

teams that didn't make the playoffs six wins and over and other teams, and then they randomly sort of create an order each round. So it's very confusing, but it's basically by email, which is funny. And I looked at the teams with the extra middle round picks and need to quarterback. Miami has four third round picks. Okay. Minnesota, they could use a quarterback. They could add someone.

they have two. The Jets have two twos and two ones. My Jets friends are asking, oh, were the Jets going on, Sarsby? What do you think? That seems a little rich. But a two, you have an extra two? Yeah, I guess it depends, and this is something we were discussing in our meeting, when you have multiple picks in the same round for the supplemental draft, do you designate which pick that is? No idea. But good question. Probably, right?

I would guess. Yeah, because then the other teams, for instance, that I don't even know how that would work. Yeah, because the NFL would need to know the order if another team went for a second round pick, you have to have established order. So yes, I would guess that they would designate which of their twos. Pittsburgh could use a quarterback,

although they've got some young ones. They have three third round picks. Arizona could use a quarterback, I would say, in general. They don't have any extra pick. Pittsburgh also has two fours. So between three threes and two fours, and Miami having four threes. I think a third round pick is,

is possible here. If I had to do the over under, that's where I would put it. Yeah, I think third round is expected. Really? I think teams are anxious to give up future picks. And you mentioned the timing of it all.

Teams are breaking for the summer right now, although the supplemental draft doesn't have a date on it. It might be late July. So someone will be working on this surely. Yeah. But teams don't want to give up extra picks in next year's draft, which is supposed to be loaded. So maybe a third.

They love quarterback. They love certain types of quarterbacks and he has an agent so he's not a bad person. There's none of those concerns. He's made some mistake. He speaks their language. Back in the day and we will move on and then fly through the rest of the students. Back in the day, one of my favorite items of annual content on NFL.com, back when Henry Hodgson,

who now runs all of international and runs NFL UK. Basically a global emperor. Yeah. He used to just run the NFL.com website. where things go on it and whatnot. And he used to have a piece of content he would write every year, a supplemental mock draft, where it just would have pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass for three straight rounds, all 32 teams until, like, someone took a guy in the fifth round or whatever.

It was great. So let's bring that content back. But I went, knowing how much he loved the supplemental draft, I asked him for a quote. I didn't really ask him, we were just texting, but I asked if I could use this quote. And he said it was okay. He says, I can say with authority as a supplemental draft enthusiast that this will be the greatest supplemental draft since either the 1985 Bernie Kozhar draft. That was crazy.

He was one of the most highly touted guys that goes out in the supplemental. Or the 1989 supplemental draft when the Cowboys shocked the world to take Steve Walsh first just to compete with Troy Aikman, who they had just taken first. And then the great Bobby Humphrey went a few rounds later as well as Tim Rosenbach. So we have not had the heat in the supplemental draft. According to Henry since 1989 that we have in this one. Fourth round, 1987 won Chris Carter. Okay, so there's been some other great players. Yeah.

Hall of Famers. Yeah, guys with controversy end up in the supplemental. That Steve Wall story is one of those where I think about how different it would be in today's media. Obviously, it was getting a lot of attention back then in Dallas too. but for Jimmy Johnson, who didn't really like Troy Aikman, to take this guy Steve Walsh first in the supplemental draft, it ended up being like, you know, immediately after, and that was when they were the worst team in the league.

So, you know, immediately after having Troy Akeman first overall and being like this is going to, this was kind of his favorite. And Jerry Jones, like Aikman was Jerry Jones's guy. I mean, that's spicy. And then Akeman ends up being, you know, a legend. Yeah. That's good stuff. Walsh torched Arkansas in his senior year.

That's what happened. That's how you got Jerry on board. Okay. We've got some contracts. Sean Payton, five-year extension to align with George Payton. We've got the Payton's locked up in Denver. And also the Broncos signed UFO MVP,

Hakeem Butler. If you remember a draft back in the day that a lot of us in football Twitter got excited about Hakeem Butler. He's now on the Broncos. And he's killing the UFO every single season. And it's like he ends up back there. And it's like,

stop letting this dude go in there and torch those guys. They don't deserve that. How about Sean Payton just making it happen in his second tenure? Somebody asked, somebody asked him like, how much longer are you going to do this? He's 62 years old. He got like the, well, coach, is this the last one? He, I view him differently. Not that I wouldn't have viewed him as one of the greatest offensive coaches of this generation.

But to do it again, that only so many coaches have done that. Bo Nix, by the way, at mini camp. one of the 11 teams practicing right now. We are down to 11. They're practicing Tuesday, Wednesday. I think they're done. I don't know if there's a team practicing on Thursday, maybe one or two.

The Broncos are one of them. Bo Nix is out there doing individual drill. So that's good progress for him coming off of an injury. And in camp, he'll be thrown at Hakeem Butler. Another contract, Jalen Koker, gets a three-year, $35 million extension. Great money for a guy who came in as an undrafted free agent, but also a great bet by the Panthers on a player who's been outstanding for them.

This is a contract where in a year or two, even right now, you might be like, huh, that's one of the best deals for a team. But yeah, I never mind a player taking the bird in the hand and taking that money. Yeah. And the team sending that offer out there because you can do it. Like the Jags, like what is it going to take to pay Parker Washington next year? You could just go ahead and solve the issue. you now. Here's the thing. If Parker

Washington got offered that contract you would have turned it down. Just my guess. Yeah. Turn it down. And he should. You gotta go up. I do want like, I don't know how much guaranteeing money is in that Coker deal, probably a lot over the first two years, but you're a guy who, for what

it's worth, has only as good as he's looked, only has 872 yards in his first two seasons. He was undrafted. As someone is willing to give you let's say $20 million, guaranteed. I'm just taking that.

I don't care. I'm not negotiating hard. Just like, let's change my life. Joe Titman, also getting life-changing money. He was a mid-round, what's the second round pick by the Jets, who was starting at center. But last year, they moved them to guard.

$35 million guaranteed if you ground up on a four-year-66 million-dollar extension. A great young offensive line. They really like Titman. You obviously like the talent at tackle playing in front of Gino Smith, who looked rejuvenated and quite fresh and happy at the podium in a Jets uniform on Tuesday. Yeah, the vibes are up in the area, clearly. You know, you go from the OG Tipman to Tipman getting a deal where it's, it's, things are looking up. And, you know, in terms of jets that have gotten extensions like Sauce and Quinnon got extended, but they got traded.

Like this is, they haven't like had a home. grown jet get a deal where, you know, it's going to work out in a while. Well, it's interesting that the positions that this new staff has invested. I mean, Garrett Wilson got his contract. And then this offseason specifically, Breece Hall, a running back and Titman at right guard. But yeah, you have Tipman, Membu, and Foshanoo locked in long term as three core pieces. I like that line.

I like the vibes coming out of forum. Let's talk about Dallas. George Pickens shows up to mini-camp. No surprise. He is sitting out team drills. That's kind of the move that is happening for players who are either a little injured but not too injured or are looking for new contracts. The Cowboys said they were excited to have him. Brian Schottenheimer.

He always handles these things well. He said it's going to be Coach Pickens this week. I like that. Schottenheimer is like, you know, they used to use players coach as like a derogatory word. I think Brian Schottonimer is a player's coach in a positive sense. a person who understands people, including the people he works for. And he's not trying to manipulate them.

He just manages them properly. So shout out to Coachotty. Michael Pennix is at minicamp for the Falcons. Not yet cleared for teamwork that was up in the air. He, of course, coming back from that big knee injury, they say he should be ready for teamwork in training camp. But for now,

it's to a tongue of I loa getting those reps. We've got an exciting chip watch update. So much chip watch. Watch talk, but this really was kickstarted by Patrick noticing some Leonard Williams quotes from last week. We actually have the sound for this. Let's listen. I think I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a little extra motivation from hearing that type of stuff. There's a little extra like chips on our shoulder. You know, we just came off of a Super Bowl, you know, winning season and people are still, you know, giving other people favorites over us. But at the same time, like I said,

It's like it's always about us. It's about our process. I think that is still adding fuel to the fire for guys, but at the same time, we're going to stick to our process, regardless of what other people outside may think. He is so motivated now. Just imagine.

Just imagine because people said things, they said things about Sam Darnold last year. Yeah. And now they're saying about them after they won. He's not just putting chips on. He's putting extra chips on. Super Bowl. Back to back.

You've been monitoring different chips. and the different ways that they can help a team perform. I mean, you just put a little chip on my shoulder, the fact that you were professionally able to answer a phone call, take the information, and while that sound was happening, hang up in time, just in time for it to end, and then have a cogent thought right afterwards.

Well, yeah, because when I heard, because that was one of my first entries into the 2026 chip tracker. Okay. Was the fact that not only, because you have to add yourself on the chip tracker, but what he did was he added the entire team. The entire team is going to try extra hard. So I'm sorry, Rams. Like Miles, like, welcome to Los Angeles.

It's not going to work out. Yeah, I do worry about him now. Ernest Jones has a really interesting perspective on Chipwatch in terms of being a defending champ because he was on the defending champs when the Rams were defending the title five years ago. And so he can compare it one-to-one comparison. He was quoted this week saying,

I think the mindset is just kind of different. The first time with the Rams, we were trying to defend it. This time, last year doesn't matter. Last year is not going to help us. So he's saying we aren't like that team, which collapsed under the weight of Sean McVeigh, not fulfilling his soul by winning a Super Bowl. And that's what makes it difficult about chips

and the mode that they provide is sometimes it's not authentic. And somebody will tell you that they are trying extra hard but regardless of all the actual quantifiable things that we can see that were done on the football field, you can just look back afterwards and say they didn't try as hard because they weren't motivated. So being facetious, by the way. So Kyle Eusecheck was on our air NFL insiders. Yeah. Just the insiders.

Yeah. I wasn't there for that one. Oh, you weren't there for that one. Yeah. You are going to be hosting, though. I was hosting the show, but I wasn't there to talk to juice. Gotcha. So it was like CMC's wedding.

Okay. And so let's hear from Usecheck kind of compare where the 49ers are at. This is a little bit of an NFC West three pack in terms of chip watch. The Seahawks, they won a Super Bowl. The Rams had a great season. They've had some great additions in the off season. So I can understand why that is the case. But I think we feel great about where we're at.

And I love our squad. I think that we have only improved. Guys are getting healthy. We added Mike Evans and OSA on defense, which I think both of those guys are just, going to make such an impact. And I think we're sitting in a good spot, man. If people want to forget about us, that's, that's fantastic.

That's a good place to be sometimes. Yeah. And I kid, because Juice is awesome. And they're perfectly comfortable with that. Like this team comfortable enough to cancel minicamp, there's so many veterans that they've been through so much, they recognize that it literally doesn't matter. Like all of the conversation literally does nothing.

Like, what can we get on the field? How can we execute? And if they're healthy, you know, when Kyle's calling plays and Brock's doing good, then everything's going to work out. Especially in this division, I think it has worked out pretty well for the teams that aren't expected to be the teams that year, including the 49ers of 2025, who won a lot of games despite losing a lot of their best players to injury when everyone was saying going into the year. Oh, this is like a stepback type of year. So he knows they're in a good place. You wouldn't think the Cardinals would be in a good place, but Mack Wilson disagrees when. asked about Miles

Garrett coming to the Rams. He flipped the script. How do you love Miles driving? They got to deal with us. At the end of the day, they got to deal with us. That's goddamn right. That's the attitude to have. I don't even know if

that's a chip. That's just reality. No, yeah. He's being honest. They do have to play them twice, in fact. But you want to talk about on and off? I don't have it for this show, but Mack Wilson's injury, the Cardinals were laughable after Mac Wilson. guy down the stretch.

It was very bad. Okay. Mack Wilson, a linebacker with the team. They lost to the Rams, 37 to 20 in a game that I'm not sure Stafford stayed in that whole game and yet they won by that much. And then 45 to 17. So, yeah, they dealt with them fine last year.

Let's listen to a few more sound clips before we go on our way. Caleb Williams, yes, the Madden cover man for 2026, talking about the differences. between year one with Ben Johnson and year two. That's a hell of a lot more fun for me than it was last year just because I was sent to coach, Coach Stoos, it was like, dude, I felt like I was drowning, you know,

trying to breathe or, you know, stay alive and wait for a boat to come around last year. You know, now this year, like I said earlier, it's being able to start where we finished last year, play calls and words and verbiage and speak the same language. I do think it's a huge advantage for Caleb Williams specifically in year two of this offense. You could see that he was swimming, certainly in the offseason, even to start the year. The fact that he was able to do that well, I'm excited. And he said completion percentage, that is one of the things that he is most focused on.

Yeah, you subtract the thinking and the process from it and get Caleb in a position where he can just execute and make plays without. having to, as he said, swim and navigate the waters of digesting and understanding all of it. The sky's the limit. The buccaneers are a team that I believe in. And yet, the NFC West is so loaded. It's almost hard to see a team from the NFC West not representing the team in the Super Bowl. But Baker Mayfield was talking about some of the defensive additions on Tuesday. And I just, I wanted your take on this.

He said about his defense, talking about Aishon wrote, Robinson specifically, who's known for just like getting in a lot of fights at practice, like with his teammates, also with other teams. He said, we needed some assholes over there and he's one of them. First of all, if you're Aiton Robinson, would you just want to be known as an asshole? And do you believe in the theory that every football team needs some assholes? No, I don't. I don't think there's generally anything positive that comes from the introduction of an asshole,

other than like a sphincter roles and we're being literal because there's a containment there but with an actual asshole the containment is broken right and people are uncomfortable but what Aishon Robinson does is put a very very good football player

next to Vita Vaya and you know the Bucks will be able to probably not be as porous as they were even with Vaya in the lineup last year and Bulls figures some some things out with the new additions on defense where just got to keep Baker upright and healthy. 17 games.

Baker said that Aishon Robinson's fighting nature is, quote, stamped on his forehead. I don't even know what that means. This is maybe what, is this explaining why Aishon Robinson, who's had a very good career, he does tend to bounce around, whereas his own team maybe is like,

okay, that was enough. Yeah, I don't think they care about defensive lineman fighting. What Baker is making commentary, Aishon's looked old since he was like 15. And so he's got, he has a lived experienced face. I think, yeah, throwing a, you know, I think you can't have too many assholes in the mix, but someone who's willing to just, you know, spice it up a little bit,

I think it's good for balance. You can't all be just a bunch of nice guys. Add a little mackle to the mix. No. We just spent an entire offseason because A.J. Brown answered questions, honestly. He's not. Oh, that's fair. But I mean.

Justice for the assholes. Yeah, but that was the, the Eagles got very. value in a trade. So like, you know. I don't know if Eric's going to have to beep all that out. I apologize if so. Dan Campbell, definitely a good guy. He was asked, I just caught my attention in terms of what it means in terms of, you know,

how you live your life. Let's listen to a question to Dan Campbell about burnout. Your coach who wears this hard on his sleeve. I'm just curious if there's anything you do during the off season to prevent against burnout or just alleviate the emotional toll of the most recent season of the upcoming season. I just burn the ashes and then come back up. I don't even know what that means exactly, but I love it. It means projected Dan Campbell to head coach the Arizona Cardinals.

He is going to Phoenix, and he's going to rise from the ashes of being burned out. Some people love what they do, and it's not. Yeah, he's a good guy and tried to answer the question honestly after that. And the way he answered it made me realize, like, he's that, taking any breaks barely. He's not worried about burnout. He's just going to hit that thing. What do you think about burnout?

We need time away. We're going to be taking some time away from the NFL day. We're keeping the NFL daily feed going. Got some pre-tap stuff. You're going to host some shows, but I'm heading over to Japan for a little bit. Yeah. Life continues to happen while people go through experiences,

experience things with other folks, and some of it's negative, some of it's positive. And you need a break. There's that lie that if you love what you do, you never work a day. in your life. You're hopefully being compensated by somebody who is extracting the surplus value of your labor.

You need time off. You need time to see and enjoy the beautiful world that we get to live in with so many beautiful people. I think you can do both at once, but I also disagree with the idea that you've never worked the day in your life. You love what you do, because I love what you do. But no matter how much you love it, there's times, there's aspects to any job that, yeah, it's a job.

You got to work at it. We're working at it here. You know who loves his job and shows it on the field is Cam Jordan. Cam Jordan is back in the NFL. Longtime NFL media podcast host and guest of this podcast is working on a new deal as of this taping according to Ian Rappaport to return to the Saints. Alvin Camara, by the way, is at Saints minicamp doing some individual drills, not with the team. But again, it seems like he's staying on that team.

Jordan Tyson caught my eye is still rehabbing his injuries not going to participate in minicamp and Chris Olavi, they're just being extra careful is only doing individual drills. They just don't want to risk anything. All that combined was just sort of a reminder of like this is a really high ceiling

but low floor if those two guys got hurt team but also great news that they get Cam Jordan back it sounds like to their defensive line. Yeah, and I had a chance to talk to Chase Young a couple weeks ago on the inside. and they want cam back. The players want cam back, you know,

even if he wasn't playing, there's a benefit to having him there. And so I think it works out. Great for the people in New Orleans. And they need some depth there. It's not a great defensive edge group in general. I know Kim Jordan's getting up there, but a lot of sacks last year,

so they could use the help. Look, Jim Harbaugh spoke in front of a microphone, which means we're going to have him saying something. Ladd-McConkie was out there doing some individual drills, by the way. But more attention has been paid this off-season on what Justin Herbert has been doing in terms of his off-season routine, not throwing the ball at least as much when the media has been around. But he was throwing it on Tuesday. Let's listen to Jim.

Just working harder and smarter, both of those two things. And, you know, it's just some guys you've got to say, whoa. Some guys you've got to say second. You'd rather have the guys you've got to say, whoa. And, yeah, Justin throwing, you know, mid-season form in April, in May, in June, has been the way we've done it. Hundreds of balls, you know, per practice. So we're going to try a different way this year. We are.

We have tried it a different way. You'd rather have the guys that you have to say, whoa. Yeah. You don't want to say sick. Put that on a T-shirt. If he has to go out there and like, hey, Justin, sick him. He's ripping 300 balls of practice. Don't want that.

Like, whoa. By, um. Black Rob. The great Black Rob. Rest and peace. Yeah. One of the best, you know, bangor anthems of the, that late 90s, early aughts. Early aughts.

Mid-auts. Like, whoa. What a classic. Also a classic is just one more Jim Harbaugh quote before we get out of here. Is that what are we working through of significant concern or no? Are you able to work it or something? Give me a guy. Give me a guy.

Yeah, pretty darn healthy team. Yeah. Pretty pretty good. My friend Larry David would say. What a weird guy. Just up there. Yeah, that just was a delightful little moment. And he was talking about Ladvon-Conkie in terms of the injuries.

But it sounds like there's nothing too big to be concerned with there. Speaking of injuries, Gabe Yacchis is a player for the New England Patriots that was drafted in the second round who missed really all this offseason. After a knee procedure that was pointed out by Mike Reese. also has had a torn laborer in his shoulder, a stress fracture in his foot that was during the pre-draft process,

and a hamstring kept him out of his combine and pro day. He is the only unsigned second round pick out there. There's some concern about just where he's at, what's going on there. So just watch this space when we get to training camp and probably get more news there. Harold Fanon is a tight end for the Cleveland Browns, who was outstanding as a rookie,

who we found out missed all of the offseason with an undisclosed lower body. body injury, but we know he had surgery on a groin that bothered him at the end of last year. So it looks like that was the reason he was out. Rishi Rice was released from jail on Tuesday. There's an unfortunate video or funny. I don't know how you want to look at it. It was like these guys like taping him as he gets out of jail and he like runs away from

them to jump into the car. But Rishie Rice is expected to be at training camp according to Andy Reid. He might even be at minicamp later this week. we had mentioned on the show Jonathan Cooper, The Edge for the Denver Broncos, who was arrested for domestic violence charges a week and a half ago, was arrested again for violating some of the terms of agreement. Obviously, a situation will be monitoring

and that the Broncos are monitoring. And yeah, I'm ending this show with some down news in terms of that legal stuff. And also the news that Alden Smith died at the age of 36 since the last time we were able to do a news catch-up type of show, one of the most productive edge rushers to start his career in NFL history. Yeah. He'll stop.

Literally the most sacks in NFL history in his first two seasons, had trouble after that with drinking with a great number of DUI charges, some suspensions in the NFL eventually came back and played for the Raiders and the Cowboys later in his career. But rest in peace, Alden Smith. Yeah, there's the clip of Mike McClintchy and Trent. William's talking about the toughest players they've ever played against and they both said simultaneously Alden Smith, their teammate and, you know, his friend told the San Francisco Chronicle, the things he was doing on his last day on Earth was taking food to houseless people.

And it's just it's sad we should have had more Alton Smith. Yeah, his friend said they found him in the in the car outside his house. And so, yeah, rest in peace. But for those who weren't paying as close to just to the football side of it, Jim Harbaugh was asked about him and just said it was just tragic that he was a great friend and a great guy to be around. He was the defensive rookie of the year runner up with 14 sacks. I mean, that's a loaded year for defensive rookie of the year when 14 sacks can't get you rookie of the year. But can you guess who got it with less sacks, but an all-time edge rusher in the 2011 draft class?

Yeah, that's that's JJ. No. No, it wasn't JJ? That's the next year, I think. or wait, JJ's in that draft class, but he didn't get that many seconds. It was Vaughn Miller. Oh. What a, yeah, Cam was in that class, Willio was in that class. It's a crazy class. It's a crazy class. So Von Miller gets the rookie there.

And then the next year after that, Alden Smith goes 19 and a half sex. And in a loaded time for edge rushers in the NFL was the first team all pro selection. And, yeah, obviously went through some struggles. But that season that he had with the Cowboys where he came back and played every game was kind of a nicer quota to his career. dealt with a lot. So rest in peace to Alden Smith. We'll get you out of here, Patrick. You've got to go host the insiders. You're talking to Quentin Johnston for a Tuesday show. So everyone check that out on NFL Network. But before I let you go, I just want to know how was

the World Cup? You were at an exciting back and forth, two-two-banger between Iran and New Zealand. Yeah, I have a lot of instant Iranian friends in our section. Malcolm was very, very passionately cheering for Iran. It was great to say. Just because? Yeah. Well, the guy next to me is like, I ask you a question.

Why are you guys such big fans of Iran? And I'm like, somebody's got to be, you know? Underdogs still. Yeah. The circumstances are heavily against this group of guys. And so, you know, in honor of them, in honor of the number of children killed in the school attack, you know.

What was the atmosphere and just your experience? your experience like compared to other sporting events you've attended in your life? Well, the two things I've gone to it so far were a Super Bowl and a World Cup game. Huge advocate for both of those things. If you can get into either one of those things, they're pretty good. But it was electric. You know, people getting to see and understand how beautiful, you know, the city that's adopted me can be.

It was great. And that game specifically was great because it felt like two teams that were just going for broke the whole time. It almost felt like a junior, not a. Junior soccer. I just mean, there was a lot going on. It was very chaotic. There's a million chances. There are lots of mistakes.

There's goal. It just, that was one of, if not my favorite games I've watched so far. So you were there for a banger. Yeah. I'd put it up there with the Netherlands and, uh, in Japan in terms of like good soccer games. Back and forth, four goals in the second half of that one. Um, yeah. One of my friends go into the, the last Japan game in the group stage in Dallas.

Japan is Jerry World's team this month. A couple games there. All right, let's get Patrick out of here. Let's get out of here as well. It's a busy week. We're going to be back on the program, wrapping up all the mini-camp season. We're doing it winners and losers' style.

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