NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Teams with big needs to fill in NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 6, 2015

A room with some heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler -- are joined by special guest Colleen Wolfe to discuss the latest NFL news involving Odell Beckham, Adrian Peterson and more. The crew also critiques Dan's "All Free-Agent" squad and at 32:50, look at which teams would be crazy not to fill much-needed positions in the NFL Draft.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast, received a first round grade from Mike Mayock. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses, and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler to my left. Greg Rosenthal to my right. What is up, fellas? We've had some problems with some of TD's drops of late.

That was a good one. Hey, Dan. That was a good, hey, Dan. Yeah, that was a solid drop, money tag. Wes, still on vacation. We'll be all week. We'll be all week. So, of course, Wesleyan fans just keep soldiering through this,

keep downloading and listening to us, and he will be back. And, by the way, we tried on Friday to track down West. We failed. We're going to try again, call Huckapoo's. It's the only place to find him. What's your worry level on Wes? I'd put it high

High to very high What are you're a supervisor What about you Well I'm more worried I think Dan sees Okay if West doesn't come back Maybe that means a few extra NFL now spots For me

And it could be worse You know what I'm saying It could work out I'd be very worried Wait what was that Dan's taking a Machiavellian NFL now take on this I think of it If West didn't come back

Greg's thinking to himself Ooh I'm the only Scientist quote unquote In the studio now Wow. You're the one that's always putting these labels on people. A bunch of lab assistants and Greg. I like to put labels on things, man.

So, yes, we'll check in on Wes. We have Colleen Wolf, also known as the Wolf Woman. And as I say this, I meant to ask TD to cook up some type of wolf sound effect, but maybe we'll have to wait until another time. I'm very disappointed in myself about that. But Colleen Wolf, who's actually speaking of NFL now, wrapping up and now hit, and she's just going to come into the studio whenever she gets here,

and she'll join us for the show, which is a good one. Very solid one. I quite enjoyed our last show where we broke up Qualistu Fantasia. That actually got me to listen to it again at night. That's a rarity for me. So that will come back. But this is a, you know, as we're in the slower portion of the NFL calendar, we're going to continue to roll out new segments.

We'll roll out another one today based on the upcoming draft. And, you know, so getting it. excited for that. A lot of exciting content, Greg. Anything that can get foreign languages into the mix, like Qualis to Fantasia. You have the German one, too. Yeah, the German Twitter follower that corrected me on something I said. I don't remember any of it. The German version.

Yes. It's the title. To Fantasia, I don't remember. And, you know, speaking of new different things coming up later this week, only two shows this week, by the way, because we have, you know, West on vacation and, you know, a lot of things cooking. A little bit of a lull in the news factory. We're going to do two shows this week, but we're going to make a special one.

Our next show will go up probably on Thursday, and it will be produced by the gold standard, but also Greg, and this was Greg's idea, directed by the gold standard. What does that mean, Greg? Well, he's going to come up with a variety of mental competitions and whatnot for us to go through, like a gold standard decathlon. Let's let him stretch his legs a little bit. Before he goes, he's going to leave us soon. Yes, he actually approached me about an hour before the pod started

and gave me a couple of the, just gave it a general sketch of what he's thinking about, and it's going to be bonkers. Well, he emailed one idea out, which we won't say, which I loved. Last time I played it was a route of campfire with a variety of young men and women. And yeah, and don't let his awshuck's nature fool you. This is another shot across the bow of TD behind the glass. What is going on, guys? I mean, I'm just going to say, I feel kind of salty that I wasn't asked to direct the show.

You can do it, too. The Gold Standard is my guy, is my boy, so I have food for him. You know? It's going to make it happen. We should do a TD Thursday. Yeah, well, that's what I said to TD before, you know, gold standard. Every show is your TV show. It feels a little stale.

I mean, we've just given the assignment to Gold Standard now. We should have one for TD. It feels a little bit like a Mark Sanchez contract. Have you thought a little bit as a motivating ploy? Maybe a little message behind the scenes from management? I don't know. I guess that's what it is. But, you know, like I said, go stand is my boy, and I'm looking forward to that show.

It should be a fun one. All right, good. So, yes, we will talk about the upcoming draft game that has no name, but it's, you know, we're going to each throw out a couple teams that cannot afford to pass on selecting this, either a player or a position. We're going to get into that. We're also going to... Does it really have no name?

It does not have a name. have an idea for a name? Well, that's the name. Okay. What, the game that has no name? Exactly. All right, cool. I like it.

How's that for directing? Take that. That's good. C-plus, B-linus. And then also something I wrote on Sunday. I looked at the remaining free agents and made a all-free agency team. Kind of a sad group, but also somewhat intriguing. So we'll go through that and take a look at that roster and maybe talk about some of the players.

But before any of that, not a ton of news out there, but there is some of stuff to talk about. So TD, it's some news. I demand a trial by combat. You just running them back? You're just running them back now? Well, there's a story there. We were just talking about it. We're subtly motivating you,

pushing some buttons, and that's what you give us? There's a backstory to it. First of all, that might be one of the games on the next show. Just letting you know, since you guys are here this. Secondly, is that my initial drop was a Colleen Wolf, but she's not here yet. Okay. Okay.

It's here. All right. All right. Well, then, What is the one you drop? When you hear that again? I demand a trial by combat. Last thing, obviously, winter is coming, you know? Okay. Like five days away from Game with Thrones season five from here, guys. Get excited.

Get excited. All right, good. Who else should be excited? I'll tell you you, you should be excited. Denarius Moore should be excited because he's got a job. Because he's leading our news. This is the first and last time. He's leading the news.

Danarius Moore has signed a one-year deal with the Bengals. I don't know how he led the news. I actually didn't even think about it. There could have been someone else that led it, but it's too late now. The 26-year-old receiver spent his first four seasons with Oakland, kind of flamed out last year, lost his job now, joins the Bengals in a reserve role. Potentially can move up that chart, though,

because Marvin Jones, of course, is coming off a year where he missed the entire season with injuries. Mohamed Sunu, sneaky, terrible year last year, so maybe the Bengals don't have the depth at wide receiver we thought they did. Well, Denarius, more sneaky, terrible career. He is someone I randomly came across position rankings

we did two years ago and I don't remember who wrote it but Denarius Moore was shockingly high. So there was a time when we saw him as a guy who could be a number one type of top 30 or 40 NFL wide receiver.

And if you look at his numbers he did have some seasons where he was approaching 800 yards he had seven touchdowns in 2012 so there was a time. And Hugh Jackson And that was when he was being coached by Hugh Jackson, who he's now reunited with. So if you want to get excited about DeNarius Moore, go ahead. Camp Buddy, good luck.

I'm excited about what's going on in this room. Right as we're just starting the first news crack. Talk about timing. Didn't miss anything. Denarius Moore. You miss the Denarius Moore hit her. Her name is Colleen Wolf, the Wolf Woman, a wolf woman, who we, I failed to get a drop for you for this show.

Way to go, thanks. All right. But next time you're on, I guarantee you will have one. But welcome to the Around the NFL podcast, Colleen Wolfe. This is great. It's up, gang. All right, guys. We're just getting started here.

My favorite. I was not responsible for that, but that is the wolf that we know from the NFL now hits where we've all gotten to know each other. A new show, inside the draft room. That's where that's for them. New show with DJ and. Oh, that's right. And I watch that on Friday. Oh, TD plugging a show involving Daniel Jeremiah.

Oh, wow. All right, guys. We're just getting started. here. All right, here we go. So, Colleen, you welcome to the show. This is the second time you've been on the show. Yeah.

I believe the first time was during the Combine. Mark and I were not in the room. Yeah. You're here with Greg. It's a big step. It's kind of like when you host SNL a second time. It's a big. It's exactly like that.

It's a big kind of, okay. Now you've got a chance. You're just going to, you could be in the five timers club. The stage is no different. Yeah. All right. All right. So welcome, Colleen.

Let's get right to it. Adrian Peterson is to meet with the NFL about his reinstatement NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport reported that Peterson will meet with the NFL on Tuesday to discuss his future. The meeting is ahead of schedule for Peterson who was supposed to be eligible for reinstatement on April 15th. Greg, I'll start with you on this. Does this all seem, two parts, I'll start with you on this, Greg.

Does this all seem headed toward a reinstatement where he's back on the books and going to be part of the team? or is this going to get a little messier before it gets cleaned up? No, I think he's served his time, and it's going to just be one of those rubber stamp, put him back in. Whenever they have the year suspension where it's a year, but it could be more, it's always just a year. You know what I'm saying?

They always get back. And then I'll ask Colleen and Mark this. Week one, Colin, you first. Will he be in a Vikings uniform? I think so. I don't know if he'll be happy about it, but I think he will be. unfortunately for the Cardinals and other teams that he would look really good on their roster.

I think he'll be playing for the Vikings. Mark. Yeah, I mean, the timing's tight. If they, if Minnesota doesn't have a complete resolution on Peterson, they almost have to go draft someone. I like Jeremy McKinnon. But Matt Azata is your only other option there. So I think he's sticking around.

I think they'll have a resolution. I think they will know his status in terms of reinstating by the draft. They've got to know if he is going to agree to play for them too and not pull some wild hold out if ever them i'd look at it like he's probably gone after this year or next at the very latest anyways so they're going to have to draft someone to be ready regardless yeah well they just did that with jerick mckinett but do you trust him as you know he's one played well last year he'd get another one uh moving on so you know we've heard west isn't here to talk about odel beckham his boy uh but we've heard a lot of

famer right right now west thinks he's a hall of fame talent a hall fame guy, future hall famer. Then the hype is building and building, and it's, you know, only April, just wait until September. Michael Strahan, former Giants Great, came out and said on the Players Tribune, I think that's the Derek Jeter website. Is that what that is where they write their own thing? Yeah.

He said that O'Dell Beckham Jr. is, quote, the greatest athlete on Earth right now. And I can't help. And Mark, you wrote this piece. I cannot help but think we're starting to edge into dangerous territory where we're just going to jinx this guy because we're. We're putting him on the pedestal. It's too soon to put him on this pedestal. He also put him on the pedestal next to LeBron James.

Strayhand couldn't even answer the question. He had to put two players there, not one. So let's start there. I wanted to call him out on that, but it was Saturday. I was extremely tired. I just wanted to get the post done. Let's get it up. Get the metrics.

You know Greg is here, right? Greg would approve of that method. But listen, I mean... Phone it in Saturdays, my sister. Well, all right. You want to go down that road? Keep going to. I'm going to answer the question.

Let's get out of here. I mean, he's excited, but give him that. Who cares? It's just one guy's opinion. And it's his former teammate. He's very excited about this guy, and he's a very awesome player to watch. So, yeah, if he jinxed him, he jinxed him. And then the NFC East is, you know, not strong.

The Eagles fan coming out and calling on. So who would you guys go with their greatest athlete on Earth? Can we stick to the NFL at least? Well, I don't know. Earth, I would probably say some Olympian that jumps like 47 feet. Yeah. Right. What about these guys that?

jump from building to building unnamed unpro athletes who are you talking about it's a whole these guys like leap from like building top to building top I'm gonna throw out like a straight hand couldn't do that throwing Mark's boy Novak Djokovic

right now I mean that's not going to be a popular answer but he's an unbelievable he's the best he's number one tennis player in the world hardly got fired the people that can swim from like one continent to another or something like that they kind of get my vote right a human feet right sure so we'll go

go with Odo Beckham. Yeah, but couldn't O'Dell Beckham or LeBron James or a million other people do that, if that's just what they set their lives to? It's one of those things. Not many people really want to swim across the ocean. So if you're really focused on that, you're going to get it done. Well, Dan's point is, have we pushed him too far? Way too far.

Yeah, I agree. And I, you know, I love Wes, but I've said it to West. Wes has pushed him too far. He named him a Hall of Famer already. But West isn't alone. You know, there's a lot of people they're doing it. and Michael Strand. Wes was early on that corner.

I mean, even before, after one game or so. Of course he was early on the corner. He called him a Hall of Fame after his rookie season. Well, to West's credit, though. After one week of playing, he was basically saying this guy's got to be one of the greatest players in the league. And he called him equivalent of Michael Jordan. And downstairs in the newsroom, this was the night of the Cowboys game against the Giants.

He was being laughed at by people I won't name who just said, you're out of control. He's not Michael Jordan. Two minutes later, that catch happens. He just stood up and walked out of the room. room as you should have because he did it. Well, great moment. It was. Sure.

But, and I respect Wes as a football mind, but I'm still not putting him on the level of Michael Jordan. I'm sorry. I think to Wes is, to speak for Wes, and I understand where he's coming from. When Dan Marino was a rookie or Randy Moss was a rookie, you knew how good those guys were. And he's putting O'Dell Beckham in that class. And we've seen O'Dell Beckham do all these other cool things. He's dunking.

He's doing all sorts of stuff. But that catch in and of itself just made everybody lose their mind and not see anything else. If you just isolate it as rookie year, then I think you can make the case he's had as great a rookie year as any guy we've seen in 20 years. Have you ever had a first year on the job where everyone is just like, this guy, he files reports faster than anyone I've ever seen. Book him in the Hall of Fame. People are talking about Colleen's first year wrapping up at NFL now. A lot of buzz. Transcendant talent.

Real quick, I would say this, though, about ODV. Odebeckham. Please do. He, as a fan of soccer and basketball, which are more individual. sports. O'Beckham is the one guy's coming to the scene. It's not a quarterback that you just have to keep an eye out for every week after week. He makes plays.

The guy is special. No doubt. No question. Give me Des Bryant. Moving forward, Deshaun Goulson has been traded. Another huge flop for the Bucks who gave out big money to get Goltz on a few years back. He's been traded now to the Redskins. This deal went down Friday.

The deal cost Washington a 2016-6th-round pick. and it saves the bucks $4 million in salary cap space per team source. It's a salary dump trade. It's about as far as the value can drop from signing to getting moved without any major injury. Well, he's 32-year-old safety. 30? Well, maybe that's the problem. I guess I thought he was older than he really is.

I mean, he is a part of that entire Buccaneers crop when Shiano came in, and now it's Lovie Smith. It's like, they're still cleaning up mistakes from the previous regime. I'm confused, though, because didn't the Bucks say that if they didn't find anybody that they could trade with, that they were going to drop him? Like, weren't they ready to move on regardless? So why didn't the Redskins just sort of wait for that to happen? That's a fair question.

Do you feel a little more patient? Yeah, they gave up virtually nothing. My guess is the Bucks just waited them out. And they got to move down from the 6th to the 7th round. And the Redskins' GMs, Scott McClellan knows. Goldson from when he was in San Francisco for a cup of coffee. It's the same, it's a similar situation when the Jets traded to get Ryan Fitzpatrick and gave a sixth round pick.

They probably could have waited out for him to get released, but they didn't want to take the chance. You need to get the Amish rifle in the building when you have an opportunity, and that's what Big Mac did. I like that, go ahead. I like that Lovie Smith is just like cleaning out, just like Chip Kelly here. He's like, you don't fit my system, goodbye. Only Lovie's coming up at 2 and 14.

Yeah, kind of. And Lovie is also cleaning out a lot of the guys that they've brought in last year when he was there. So he's like just saying I made a mistake. Golton isn't one of those guys, but that team's been a disaster. All right. So we know we talked about the Reggie Bush hype trainer. I talk about it a lot.

Another one, another hype train, and maybe it's the evolutionary hype train, is now the Percy Harvin hype train every year we talk about or hear about how this is going to be the year where he really comes into his own. Now he's in Buffalo with the Bills. And Percy, you know, at the beginning of workouts, talked to reporters and had this to say, the world has yet to see me really explode like I'm about to. I mean, that could be good or bad, by the way. Is that on the field, in the locker room, on the streets?

I don't know. That's what I mean. And so Percy thinks this is the year. I guess he did have one big, big season in Minnesota with Brett Farr, but now this will be the year that he, quote, explodes. Colleen Wolfe, do you see it happening this year without really a great quarterback in place? But obviously a great talent. and if he stays healthy, it's not crazy that it could have a big year in that offense?

I mean, I guess it's not impossible, but the quarterback position is where it all starts. I love Buffalo. I've said that before in segments with Rosie, but I think that... Rosie. Yeah, Rosie. Saucing.

But you look at... They need a quarterback, too, who... They don't need somebody who's going to be amazing at the position. They just need somebody who can manage the game, and then if they can get that, if they can manage that, then I think Percy could do well. That's Matt Castle, baby.

He can do it. Percy Harvin, though, teams have been trying to figure out a good role for him his whole career, and they haven't really been able to. He's not really a wide receiver. Well, Roman's not a bad guy to take a shot at that number one. But it's April, and there was a lifting session in Buffalo, so like 14 Bill's players talked about their team as if they're heading straight for the Super Bowl. Rex Ryan, who's learned nothing at all, cannot constrain himself,

already talking about winning big games. Ridiculous. Why? Why? It is ridiculous. Stop talking. You just don't like writing... Stop talking.

You just don't like writing April posts about optimistic teams. Well, it's ridiculous is what it is. You can't walk around in April saying we're going to explode, we're going to win big games. This is a team that's done nothing for a decade plus. Go do it. Isn't that the point, though? Like, they're trying to establish that this is a new start for Buffalo and there's something to get excited about.

That's a lot of changes there. Colleen, have you ever seen this agro side of... Do it on the field. How about that? What happened? before I got in here. No, everything was fine, but once you get Rex fine in the conversation.

The shirts open, a little hint of chest there. This is the different look for Mark. Mark on his off day coming in, and by the way, big ups to Mark for coming in on his off day to do the show. Yeah, looking great.

But he comes in, shirt opening, look like a cast member of like evening shade. It looks great. I don't have to be anywhere before or after this, so who am I dressing for? Where do you go next? I have no idea.

The streets. That's a great place to be. Yeah. all right that's what's happening can you move my car I parked that on the state I don't operate that going well um all right so

so I don't know if you guys uh were checking out uh NFL dot com on Easter Sunday but I did write something about the free agency group that's left and there's not a lot of big time pieces and free agency uh left however

there is enough to make like a decent roster I found out not a great one but you know I don't think it's a playoff team by any stretch, but I don't think it's an 0-16 team. It's a little old. It's a little on the older side. You compared the free agent market to a barren bodega in New York. It used to a bodega, by the way.

Not a word I was, you know, familiar with until I lived in New York for that guy. What a great. Those were they, and, you know, I probably shouldn't have limited it to New York now that I think about it. Because there used to be one down the street for where I live now here in L.A., that clearly something was amiss because he would go in, it was next to the gas station, it was a part of the gas station. and the shells would be all empty, and it would just be dust collected on whatever it was there. And then one day I just went up to the cashier.

It was like, you guys are closing or something, right? And she's like, don't tell anyone, yes. That's so depressing. It was kind of sad. Supply and demand, bro. Anyway, so I use the bodega as an analogy because at this point, maybe you shouldn't trust any of the guys in this market, but you might just end up buying it anyway because you're desperate.

And I put together the following team. I got Mike Vic and quarterback, which is, you know, shaky off the bat, but what are you going to do running backs i like i'm out of bradshaw and stephen ridley uh you know injury prone but you know sneaky good potentially i like my wide receiver group michael crabtree gregn jennings and west welker uh tight end germane gresham well cares uh and then i have a line i would look at everybody's faces right now too why why you're missing what am i missing i'm just i'm watching gregg's face and it's just sort of like you're like i like this wide receiver group

with west welker and gregg jennings see you know i think temperate for the enthusiasm. You sound like Rex Ryan right now. Am I like doing backflips about my team? I'm not. You could easily market this team to the average football fan from five years ago. Yeah. Whatever, Greg.

You know, I'm trying my best here. No, I hear you. I wouldn't be excited about, you know, Welker and Jennings kind of right next to each other. Having to worry about them going to go down the team.

I don't know. I got my lines, got Jake Long on it, a left tackle. You know, Chris Myers, I'm going to, after a nice career in Houston,

I'm going to slide him over to guard. Don't see how he does there. Feels a little. Joe Barksdale, the youngest guy in my roster at 26. You know, it's not a bad offense. Your thoughts, gentlemen. What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. How many games does Michael Vick last for?

What's your backup option? Well, I wrote that I'm going to offer Kyle Orton a steak dinner. Oh, all right. How many games does this team win? Let's give them like a year of practice in games together. Don't know. That's too long because they're getting older already. Well, you know what I mean?

It's almost unfair just. making a whole new team, but, you know. Well, should I go through the defense, too, before we decide on the team's fate? Or do you want to talk about the offense? That's a lot to talk about on offense here. Lots to unpack. Go ahead, Mark, your thoughts on this. Well, I think it is, you know, as pointed out with the Vick scenario by Colleen,

I mean, what happens to this team come mid-October when Amad Bradshaw has his 44th toe injury. Michael Vick is out. West Welker's had another head injury, and the rest. Jake Long, you know, has leg injury 406. I don't know. It's a bad team. That's what I'm saying. The O-line isn't that bad.

I would say that's the strongest part of the team is the O-line. That's better or equal to some NFL teams out there. Crabtree is the guy I'm looking at here. And you know, you mentioned the bodega. There's a lot of old material, empty shelves. But he was the one that got discounted because they spelled something wrong on the cover of the box or something like that. But it's still looking good inside.

I think there's a tasty crab tree to be had for some team out there. A little tasty crab. I like that. What about Stephen Ridley, a 1,200-yard rush or two years? go, come back from an ACL injury, not what it used to be. You can come back from ACLs. He could be a guy that does some things. Probably the next guy in this list that gets signed by a real team.

Yeah, Pierre Thomas, I passed off. I lost Stephen Ridley as a pickup. I think that's another good one. What about depth? I don't see a whole lot of second, third stringers at all. Well, see, that's why you guys got to read this, because I am hiring Mike Westoff. He's going to fill out my special teams and my reserves,

but mostly it's just so I can go on his boat with him. And just talk, shot with Mike Westoff. Westie, I call. I randomly, when I was watching that Derek Carr stuff last week, I saw the Broncos Raiders last week. And the last catch, I mean, of the last week of the season, the last catch of Wes Welker's career potentially was a 36-yard catch-and-run. Hubba, hubba.

Maybe he's not quite as done. Would you take these three wide-outs are the top three wide-outs on the Browns right now? Which are who, remind me, Mark. Hardline. I saw the shot of the Browns in the crawl underneath the roster itself. Wasn't really a shot, though, as I'm being serious. Well, would you rather have this team or the Browns overall, Wes. I mean, Mark.

I would take the Browns, I mean, just based on. You have to hesitate. Well, no, I picked up this thing yesterday. I looked at it. I said, number one, good job by Dan to go out of his way to create new content on our website. But number two, I kind of like this team. They got a lot of heart. I'd watch these games.

All right. Let's check out the defense. Here we go. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that. We got a little long in the tooth at corner with Ike Taylor and Charles Tillman. I'm going to get Stevie Brown and Bernard Pollard. Ouch.

Those safeties. Bernard Pollard, now starting for every team and fake ones. Lance Briggs, Brandon Spikes. I like that signing by me. Joe Mays, Sean Phillips, not as excited about that. Dwight Freeney, Red Bryant in the middle there, a little Barry Coffield and Matthias Kiwanooka. And then my special team is Jay Feely. Good guy, nice tweeter.

And Matt McBriar, who's Australian. I like that you're keeping this. open because you're not sure about... I'm not sure about 3-4-4-3. And I think that's a really smart move by you. Thank you. Thanks a lot. I think when none of your team is under 30, it's good to keep... Who's the oldest guy you have on your team?

That would be probably Feeley at 38. 16 of the 24 guys are 30 or older. But that tells you a lot about this free agency market. Like, if you're a young, cheap guy, you'll probably get a job if you're half decent. If you're an older guy that's really good, you'll stay in the league. If you're, like, starting to get older and you're not like a stud, you're ending up on my fake team, and that's not good. This defense gives up about 440 points next season.

Can you imagine Aaron Rogers coming to town to face Ike Taylor and Charles Tillman? I actually laughed out loud when I read Red Bryant as a solid locker room, glue guy, glue. You're going to need it. It's going to be some issues. You'll notice because Greg, when we talk about the Greg roster, I think someone on Twitter put it well that yours is your team would be called 40s and felonies. Like you have a lot of low character guys

This is a good locker room except for Cramtree Yeah we read Bryant A former around the NFL podcast guest Great guy Oh really? Large man and large Smart's there Who coach you have to get to find the oldest GM possible You know to pivot in the right direction

In the oldest possible coach What was the Bill's guy that left? Him can be your GM Colleen is thinking I wish we could waste time like this on NFL now This is great I love this By the way what's the final record of this team I said 5 and 11 I was probably just being

I think they go 6 and 10 and they get out to a 2 and 2 start and people are on fire and then the ship just catches on fire and 6th I think they're 2 and 14 I think it's Raiders-esque It's tough

You know I'm trying not to take it personally But I seem to be struggling with it You've cobbled some of the other hand You put together the best team possible But I would take the Jaguars over this team Wouldn't you? So this is I do something similar

If I can't sleep I will draft teams in my head and then they'll lay each other. You have a sleeping problem. I do. Well, that may not be the only problem, but that's right. Yeah.

You were coming up with nicknames last time. You tell me you wake up at 430 to research every day or read. Yeah, just read. Wait, take me through this process that you're laying in, but do you actually put pen to paper or anything? No, no, no, I just do it in my head. And also, like this, I don't really know if I'm running a 4-3 or a 3-4 in my dreams. So I sort of keep it open like you.

It's like the best team ever or there's restrictions. Like it can't be certain types of people. It's one. I can pick one player from each team, but I can't have more than one on a team. This sounds like a future segment. We're looking to come up with them. Diversify.

That's not bad. Are you thinking about this? Go ahead. Truth is, you know, the best artists, they don't write. They laid straight from the dome. Word to Jay-Z. She boy. Was that Bucky?

Yeah. No, that's Jay-Z. See, it's hard to tell. It really is. You always put that in. By the way, notice that TD's flow got a little smoother once Colleen got real.

I know, really. Dave's in here. He would have been checked out. It was like Barry White-esque there. I love it. No, no comment. Are you thinking about this on your Saturday strolls? I was driving with my family

to go get some dinner on Saturday. I saw Killina mosing down the street. Well, you know, I've been pretty sedentary lately. I've been going through the. I thought you were hustling. And, like, looking at team needs, but then I needed to actually move around. So, yeah, I went for a little bit of a walk. Oh, it was like an exercise?

It wasn't like a... It was a stroll. It was going from one bar to a lane. No, there was no drinking involved. Wait, did you see Greg and his family going by in an automobile? No, he saw me. I don't know. He didn't say hi.

Well, I wasn't going to honk. Yeah, you didn't really realize it until I was equal. Usually you... I wasn't going to honk at you. When somebody drives by and, like, murdered out Rolls-Roy's Phantom, you see it. You're right. I don't know how I missed it. It's odd.

All right. So that's my fake team that no one cares about. But we talked about it anyway. What are you going to do? Put them in L.A. Yeah, throw him in L.A. Problem solved. There we go.

All right, before we get to our next topic where we talk about some draft needs and some ideas we have, let's try again to get in touch with Chris Wessling, who has now been in Tai B for, God, four or five days. I go by hours versus days. Yeah, so where are we at now? then? Oh, we're at 191 hours.

191 hours in now, in Tybee Island. That's a lot of time, a lot of time at Huckapoo. So we always look to West at Huckaboo's. That's typically where he is. I like that you trusted Mark's completely fabricated hours total. I took it at face value. I trusted. Sounds right today.

I also am counting the day that he was checked out in the office. So it's actually correct. All right. So let's get Huckapoo's on the line and let's do it. Let's hope he picks up. How's this? How you doing? Is Chris Wessling at the establishment?

Again? Chris Wessling? Is he at your establishment right now by any chance? He is not here currently, no. Okay, do you know, has he been at the bar recently? Do you know? Not today. Okay, great.

Okay, well, I'll try again to find him. Thank you very much. Okay, you're welcome. Bye. This is distressing. Well, it only makes me more worried. Where could he be? Yeah, we have no beat on the guy.

That was the only locale we know of. that he inhabits. Like, as you said, not today. Like, he was there yesterday and the day before. It's a little bit of cat and mouse right now because when we tried on Friday, he was garage drinking, in his words. Maybe he's in the garage again, Greg. I think he's trying to dodge us, maybe.

We're in his search for Lady Westling. We're in, like, his prospects looking good. Maybe that sort of changed his style. Is his search in his garage? Well, I don't know. Maybe it is. Well, what about the idea of, well, you're saying there's a chance he's cutting back on his Huckaboo's time? I don't know. Garage drinking tells me there's no clock on the wall so it could have started or ended at any time. So we're thinking, oh, it's just almost 5 o'clock where Wes is, it could be truly in his head, 138 in the morning.

Maybe he's been locked away for hours doing what he's doing. At the Huckaboo's website. First of all, they spell Huckaboo's. three different ways on the home page. That's confusing. And then there is a link that says map to the poo, which is, you know, just the Google Maps. Helpful. But, you know, map to the poo. It is our, that's the nickname, the poo.

It is one of the long-term goals of this podcast, in addition to, of course, having a show with us all together in London, onto London, hashtag send your postcards to Roger Goodell, 345 Park Avenue in New York. But another goal is to have a show at Huckapoo's on. Tybee. I don't know how that would ever happen, but it's just a goal that's out there. Hey, listen, we are shooting for the stars with the trajectory of the show. What about the whaler? That works. That's the whaler.

That's closer. That's our groups, Huckapoo's. Much more than Huckaboo's. Rina del Rey, is that the area? Is that Venice? Venice. It's right on the border. Yeah, Venice.

That's a good place. We've hung out with Colleen there before. All right. So, finally, let's talk about the draft. Colleen, you know, doing all those now hits. You're talking about every team, covering every angle. So I assume that you would be a good fit for this game because you know what teams are lacking, what they have enough of, and all that.

So that's what this game is about. It's the game without a name, according to TD. And basically, it's a simple game or a simple exercise. You're going to insert a team name. Would be crazy not to draft A. and then you insert a position or if you want to take it a little deeper get a little buggy Brooks

and throw in the actual player that you're excited about on the college level and you explain why that team would be crazy not to bring in a player at that position, okay? So I will start

and as a Jets fan I will start with the Jets and I will say the Jets would be crazy. Quiet on your throne of ease, sir. The Jets would be crazy not to draft to quarterback, and I will tell you why.

There's a reason behind this. This team spent a lot of money this off season. They brought in Dorel Revis, they made these moves. They think they're going to be a lot better. I think they're going to be competitive, too. I think they're going to return to playoff contention this year. And what's going to happen?

If you return to playoff contention, you win seven to ten games with your quarterback that you're not in love with, you kind of make it work, and then what do you get out of it? You get out of like an 18th round, 18th overall pick, and again, you're not in the mix at the top of the draft. They're at the top of the draft right now after awful season.

They have a quarterback. If they like Marriota, they've got to do what it takes. And I know people like, oh, don't go crazy. Get crazy and go get that quarterback with this roster that you like, certain parts of it, and go crazy. Go to town, get Mariotta, and go for it. This team hasn't had a quarterback to build around since Joe Namath. It's time.

Give it a shot. They'd be crazy not to give the shot if they love it. So they'd be crazy not to get Mariotta is what you're saying. Yes. Okay. But then you may have a quarterback. have to almost maneuver up. It sounds like Tennessee's in play for that or willing to deal to someone.

Which is kind of my point. It's like a lot of, I've heard, and a lot of people that I respect that write about the Jets, said the Jets are no way they're going to do that. They're not going to move up and compromise their draft class or a future draft class. And my opinion is, why not? If you like the guy enough and you have a really big chip at number six overall, be aggressive. That'd be crazy not to.

Yeah. I mean, even if the Titans aren't serious about it, Ken Wisenhuntz smart enough. to make it seem like they are so they can get something more out of teams like the Jets. Well, would you want your sneaky team, the Eagles, to make a move for Marriota? I think they'd have to give up a lot more than the Jets would. Yeah, that's the thing. And they've already given up so much. And he's already, Chip Kelly's already gone and imploded the roster as it is. But the secondary, in my opinion, still needs a lot of work. There's a lot more things that they need to do before they need

a quarterback. Now, I'm not saying that I believe in San Bradford. I've seen. I've seen what Mark Sanchez can do. He looked good in Chip Kelly's system, but the more he played, the worse he got. So the jury's definitely still out of the quarterback position, but there's a lot more things that they need. I mean, you look at safety, and they have Malcolm Jenkins, but next to him, they have Earl Wolf, who... Oh!

No relation. I should like him just because of that last name, but they made some moves in... That was a Wolf sound effect. Oh, that was good. Great, yeah. Byron Maxwell, they brought him in. I'm going to keep going. Walter Thurman, I mean, he's coming in off, what, an ACL.

So you don't really know that, thank God, they cut the ties with Carrie Williams and Bradley Fletcher. They had to, but, I mean, this was one of the worst secondaries in the league. They have to address it. All right. McGagnon seems like a guy who would be aggressive and go do it. Well, so does Chip Kellyan. So you're really saying Marriota.

Yeah, Marriott's. You don't want them to force it at the top of the second round just to do it. No. If they can't get Marriota. God, it would be great because it's, you know, some people in this building, Bucky Brooks, I think, in his latest mock, has Mario Goating at 15. So maybe. I saw that.

You know, maybe they don't have to do anything. I just sit at six and grab them. That would obviously be great. Usually, fate doesn't smile kindly on the jet, so I don't imagine they would get that lucky. But who knows? Well, I think he fits what Chan Gale has done in the past. He's a little more of a spread and short passing. Then again, that's also why Gino Smith's going to have the comeback player of the year award this year.

I'm the only one driving the Geno Smith fanwagon. Sandwich on that? No, I'm not going to do that. I don't really believe in that, but I think, I think Gino Smith will be good. I do. We shall see. And by the way, if Gino Smith is good, the Jets are going to the playoffs. And if you think Gino Smith's going to be good, you need to do it.

I think he was good. That's the thing. Oh. If you watch just December, Gino Smith had a better month, played better than Teddy Bridgewater or Derek Carr or any of those guys. No one wants to give him any credit because the name is Gino Smith. He played pretty well. Should have got in here earlier when you guys were doing the bath salts. going on in this room.

Speaking of which, I need to go to a meeting. Do you really? I want to take bath salts before I go there. It's ridiculous. I have to go to this corporate nonsense in the middle of a podcast.

Synergy. I can't wait to hear the negative reaction to this little comment I just put in. I know I'm being quiet because I know that will not go unpunished. Well, I also know, you know,

the podcast is in great hands today with Colleen. We got an actual host here. On his off day, Dan's spit and fire, so you guys don't need me. All right, Greg. Guys, we're just getting started here.

All right. Bye, guys. All right, Greg, thank you for being professional. I agree with anything that upper management has decided or Greg or any of us. It seems they're accurate. The way I look at it, and this is just me, there's a reason why they got those offices. Of course. So you basically do you.

Three of us don't doubt that. No. Doos you're told. All right. So let's continue with the game now. That was mine. The Jets would be crazy if they do not draft Marcus Mariotta. Colleen, your turn.

Which, by the way. I really liked Charles Davis in his mock draft. He had Marriota going to the Rams at number 10. We've seen Marieto go so many different places, but I like the Rams only because that would mean Nick Foles and Marcus Mariotta would be together, which would really, I'm sure, ruffled Chip Kelly's feathers. I think that's all.

I'm going to go there. All right, so I'm going to say the Chiefs would be crazy not to draft a wide receiver. I'm not going to say the stat that everybody knows and everybody wants to vomit every time they, hear it well gregg's not to hear you could say go ahead in case people didn't know all right in case you didn't hear a wide receiver didn't score a touchdown last season for the kansas city chiefs greg actually in yeah wait are you serious uh Greg actually uh I think he said he was going to fire one of us

if we put it in a post again this is when Greg was in a bad mood one morning I believe so is what we're dealing to set me up here I am not I said that I wasn't going to throw that out there and plus he doesn't have firing power over you so all right That's true. But yeah, go on. Yeah, so that's obviously a major need. Now, I'm not sure how much of that had to do with Alex Smith and how much had to do with the fact that they really didn't have a number one wide receiver there.

Dwayne Bo, now gone. They got Jeremy Macklin. Who knows how much Macklin's stats were inflated because of Chip Kelly's system, but he did play well. That was his first year as the feature number one wide receiver anywhere, really, and he did well. He's back with Andy Reid now. But after Jeremy Macklin, then you have Jason Avant, another older player, but he also has been with Andy Reid before.

Then you have guys, it really falls off. After that, you have DeAnthony Thomas, who I keep calling DeAnthony Hopkins for some reason. In our now segments and we keep having to stop down because of it. But got to write that time. They like him. Frankie Hammond, Jr., yeah, Junior Hemingway. I mean, these are guys that... You ever call Frankie Hammond Jr. Freddie Prince, Jr.?

No, that's not. It never happened, but maybe it will now. So, yeah, I think that that's definitely something that they have to address. Now, Andy Reid isn't known as a guy who likes to draft a wide receiver early, especially first round. I think he's only taken two wide receivers ever in the first round. But I think, obviously, with the need, maybe they'll make an exception here. I mean, also, you're looking at last year.

They completely ignored that for the most part. And this year, it's two of the better wide receiver draft classes. You may not get that for another five, six years. So you want to be the team that says, no, we have Alex Smith a quarterback and we're not going to draft any wide receivers and continue to win with a 1930s-type offensive roster. Good luck to that.

1930s. I don't know. I mean, it seems like they're almost, they're so hell-bent on not bringing in new wide-receiving talent. They did this last year, and they then later said, you know, we might have made, we might have misjudged that. Like, every Chiefs fan was looking at that roster saying, what's happening to you?

The Chiefs feel like one of those. teams to me and I bet if you sat down and like went through all 32 you could come up with eight to you know six to eight teams maybe up to 10 that are kind of in NFL purgatory right now where it's hard to get excited about them they're not going to be awful probably but they're not going to be a Super Bowl contender they just kind of exist and I guess that's one of the hardest things for a fan to get excited about but to Colleen's point you bring in and it's another good wide receiver draft they're saying bring in a stud wide receiver you put him next to Macklin Alex Smith can make some plays that could help I mean they're offensive

line needs help too, but that's another, that's a whole other story. Yes. The quiet storm, your turn. I'm going to look at two teams with quarterbacks getting very old, and that is the Chargers with Philip Rivers and the Saints with Drew Breeze. In both cases, you're not

going to get one of the number two, and I don't think that matters. I don't think these number two quarterbacks are the same. They wouldn't be judged that way in other years. You've got to keep drafting quarterbacks at this point and develop people, because Philip Rivers could flat out retire after this season. If he's even on the charges, season, which he won't.

You think that could happen? Well, listen, weird, draft day, weird stuff can lead up. Lead up to the draft, weird things can happen. It is possible that he's not on the roster. But he made, it's very possibly he's not on it two seasons from now. And then you've got Drew Brees, who let's not act like he's 28 years old and has five years left. You got one of the best quarterback guru types in Sean Payton.

Draft guys, groom them. Don't do it too low. Don't get stuck with someone. Don't get stuck where you have to draft someone next year. Just keep getting guys. So what are you saying? Draft quarterbacks, like second... If I'm the Chargers, if you want to go get like Bryce Petty or one of these guys,

it's the next tier, go do it higher than someone think. The same way the Patriots did with Garappalo last year, go out and do it before people expect and get someone of note, not some seventh round guy who's working at ShopRite three years from now. I worked at ShopRae. That was my first job, and I was let go for money disappearing from the till. but it wasn't anything Wait a minute

Yeah I never stole a dime From ShopRite Were you a bagger or did you I was working I was working the cashier I was a you know A money guy Oh okay yeah

And then you check out guy That move But I just again As I said on the show Many times before I'm very bad at math So I probably Every once in I was giving away

The wrong change I got banged on it two times And one day I came into work And punched the clock in It didn't take my info And they're like now I'll let you go I understand

that because I'm the same way and I worked at a water ice place. Yeah. A what? Water ice? It's like Italian ice. Okay, I got you. But it's water ice. And, you know, people also call it water ice, but I don't go that way. Yeah, but I'm very bad at math and when you'd have to do

the change part, I would start sweating. Like, it was awful. Doesn't it tell you, like, I worked at this store that had an older cash register out of like, we're not going to do anything new and I had to count in my head the change. That was an other disaster. But didn't yours by the time you're working these jobs have the...

I still had one of the older ones. You have to realize not only are we not good at math, most people are not good at math. Yes. On the spot with like an angry person staring at you. Oh, yeah. All right, let's go around the horn one more time here. So you brought up Drew Breeze, Mark,

and you know what? They're not going to trade Drew Breeze. And here's my thing on that. If you're not going to trade them, if you're not going to make a blockbuster deal and move him and try to get a ton of draftics back which we've talked about on the show, that might not be the worst idea for a team

whose Super Bowl window might have closed. Well, the Saints then would be crazy not to draft a playmaker at wide receiver or a tight end. If you're going to keep Drew Breeze in age 36 season, what does you have two years left or whatever? Maybe of being a top quarterback. Give him the talent. And you send Kenny Stills out of town,

send Jimmy Graham out of town, you beef up your running attack, so that's going to be more of a focus of the offense. But you still have Drew Brie. and you're still paying them godlike amounts of money to be your star player in the face of your franchise they'd be crazy not to address their playmaker dearth in their passing offense

and I'm sticking to it yeah I think Brandon Cooks will have a huge role next year and can see that you're very set on this but yeah they got Colston to crossroom there's Nick Toon guys that just haven't... I like Brandon Cooks I mean we talked a lot about them coming into the last year that's a nice young player Nick Toon has done some things I mean, Colston is Colston, but it's clear they need somebody.

Benjamin Watson is the top of their death chart at tight end right now. They need maybe an outside speedster. I think they got work to do here. They're going to run the ball too a little bit more this year. But that's what I mean. That's a big part of their offense this year. It's clear. West wrote a great piece about that last month,

that they're clearly gearing up to be a more balanced team. But at the end of the day, you've got to pass the ball and you have one of the best passers of his generation. Give him the weapons too. I know their defense needs work as well, but to me, when you pay Drew Breeze that much money, you got to give them stuff. What about a little Wes Welker action in New Orleans?

Ooh. Bring them in for a low-level salary? I don't trust West. I mean, I trust them on my fake team, but I wouldn't, if I was paying much. Yeah, exactly. If I was paying my quarterback, like $37 million. I'm saying pay him like $38 a week.

And by the way, Drew Breeze, did we talk about? I think we talked about this. I had no idea Jimmy Graham would be traded. that guy should go with politics because to say that with a straight face you're saying because the mountain of money that he's being paid got to get rid of these other high pictures

he's plugged in I'm saying he's plugged into the organization I wanted to believe him too I wanted to be like oh my gosh you're blindsided by this he tweeted out a photo of his son wearing the Graham jersey the guy is basically essentially part of the front office as far as I'm concerned he's going to pretend like they never ran by Jimmy Graham trade by him

I'm not believing you, Bubba, Bubba Clinton. All right, that's mine. Colleen. All right. The Giants, I'm going to stick in the NFC East for now. The Giants would be crazy not to draft a safety. So they lost Entral Roll. He's now with the Bears. Good one.

When you look at their projected starting roster right now, they don't even have anybody listed at free safety. There's nobody there. And then you look at who else is there. Cooper Taylor and Nassel. Matt Burhay. Oh, well, that Burhay checks out very well on film. He was my camp counselor in 92.

So this is a dire situation. They were really bad run support. It's just that is an area that they really need to address. And that should be, I mean, they need two safeties, not just one. That should be their top priority. I like that. I think, yeah, I think they definitely, they brought back Spags as their defensive coordinator. I think that could give them a shot in the arm.

But, yeah, they need the tools there on defense, too. I like the Giants, by the way, as a team. As a fan? Like, in what way? I like them as a under the radar NFC East champion this year. Really? Yes. Is this all because of Odell Beckham?

No, see, quite the opposite, because I'm the one that's every, like, everybody pumped their brakes a little bit on Odell Beckham. But I don't know, the way the NFC East is, I think this will be a giant's year. Like yourself a little Ben Magadu? Things could change, but just throwing it out there. but they got to make smart moves. That would be a smart move. Build rebuilding that back end.

All right. Well, let's go. Let's talk. You have nothing else to say about the Giants? I loved it. That was great. I agree. And I think if you're at this point in the, it's April and you don't have even a known quantity on the roster, you have to draft.

Colleen's point was so solid. Nothing else needs to be. Well, sometimes that happens. Everyone in the room just says, nailed it. I wish you weren't a liar. I'm not lying. Colleen, home run. Thanks, guys.

All right. Your turn, Mark. Last one. Baltimore Ravens, you know, the owner comes out and says, not worried about wide receiver, we don't need to draft one, doesn't matter. Sorry, across from Steve Smith, who is aging, by the way, you have Marlon. As we all are.

Well, you have Marlon Brown. That's your starter. And then you have Michael Combinero and Kamar Aiken. And the owner says, no, love our young guys. Well, that's fine. But, like, we're looking at a group that if Joe Flacco ever went down, you know who your quarterback is? That shop.

Oh, Maddie boy. Oh, that's right. One fell move, and this team is going three and 13. So you better go get a wide receiver. Joe Flacko, indestructible, though. Never missed it down. So I guess that will never happen. But if it does, you are sitting on a time bomb.

That's rough, those receivers. They need, and, you know, they lost, they don't even know what's happening in a tight end, so they're both needs, but you can't just not throw the ball in Baltimore. You've got to figure it out, so you've got to get some wide receivers. I like that. T.D. He's distracting me. What's going on back there?

He's doing push-ups behind the glass. Probably, again, because Colleen's here, I think. Barry White behind the glass. T.D., stick even mildly professional. I'm the shot in bed of myself, guys. Can we get a little ENIA at some point, too? You have any ENIA right now? Oh, come on.

Colleen's special guests. He's like, oh, don't make me work. That's... Let's get it. Why don't even know what Enier is? I think this is it right here. Oh, there you go. It just makes me feel better now.

Yeah, let just let this roll a little. Now I'm grounded again. I don't just a push-up music, by the way. Yeah, I think the Ravens are, and by the way, the Ravens are going to be going deep in the playoffs again as well. Well, you've made two predictions, and one of them is going to go massively off track. I promise you. All right, so those are our draft demands, really. Yeah.

They weren't even suggestions. They're basically, if you don't do this, you're awful. And we're done with you. We're done with you as an organization. and that is that is it for the around the NFL podcast Greg I hope everything's going well in that meeting

I hope what he said before he went to the meeting which is clearly out of frustration any shadowy league figure that was listening to Greg there do not you know don't hold it against them who you know he got called into a meeting in the middle of the podcast it's tough

yeah I mean you could hold it against him but you have to look at everything else he's done too this was a bad moment for Greg and management sees that but also hold into account the good things he's done. He's doing a lot, and you can see he's really putting in the effort in a lot of different places. I'd say it's all right

to use this if your management and say this was a bad moment for Greg, and we can put that in the file too. All right, so we will be back on Thursday, our second and final show of the week. It will be Zach Goldman and the director chair, much to TD's

chagrin. And Zach will put us through a gauntlet of challenges from what I understand. So make sure you listen to that show. Colleen, It was so great having you here. Thanks, guys. We will have you back on again if you'll have us. All right, deal.

Cool, deal, deal. All right, this is it. Dan Hansa's signing off for Quiet Storm, The Wolf Woman, a TD behind the glass. Till Thursday. This is an I-Heart podcast.