NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Texans-Cowboys MNF Recap, Danny Dimes Benched and Finding Joy with Nick Shook

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Nick Shook to break down the Texans and Cowboys facing off on Monday Night Football. The show starts with a discussion about why, although the Texans won, there is reason for concern (01:40), followed by talk about stand out players for the Texans (09:00), and the state of the Cowboys (13:18). After the break, the guys react to Daniel Jones being benched (25:40), give you injury updates on D.J. Turner, Nick Bosa, and Roquan Smith (38:23), reflect on what has brought them joy during the season (44:29), and more!NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in a weird night in Dallas. They're all weird lately. Texans win 34 to 10. That was Mark Vandermere of K-I-L-T. Little Andre Ware in the booth as well. A fittingly ugly but kind of fun touchdown on a night that was just ugly. It wasn't fun at all for the Dallas Cowboys, but it was much needed for the Texans. And I'm joined by my friend, Nick Shook. I need you with me to make

sense of this Monday night and make it entertaining for the listeners. Well, I'll tell you this. I felt massive relief when Jalen Petrie flew in out of nowhere and knocked that ball out of Tyler guidance hands, freeing it for Derek Barnett to recover scoop and score for the decisive. touchdown, because in that moment, I realized the Cowboys, who are not a good football team, and especially in this state, no longer have a chance of making this game interesting. It's not that I don't want to see an interesting game, it's that I don't want to see a very obviously fraudulent team have a chance through four quarters in a game like that. So good on the Texans for getting that job done. They, I got some concerns about them, though, Greg. And I'm sure

we'll get into that here momentarily. Yeah. No, let's just get into it. So that touchdown happened with about 12 minutes to go in the game. It made the game 27-10. You see the final score 34 to 10. You think blowout. It was a blowout. Cooper Rush and this Cowboys offense, ultimately, they weren't going to win this game.

You play it 10 times. I think they would have lost all 10 times. Yeah. That said, the yardage ends up being close in this game, and it was closer than it needed to be. In fact, it was a one-score game before Mike McCarthy actually took points off the board after Brandon Aubrey hits a 64-yard field goal late in the third, early fourth, like when that drive was happening, and it was going to be 20 to 13.

Instead, McCarthy, understandably, takes the points off the board. They try to score a touchdown. They don't go anywhere. And Cooper Rush tries to turn the ball over a couple times. The Texans finally stopped them. But at that point, it's still a one-score game. And I'm just thinking, and I'm texting with. other people who love CJ Stroud and I'm watching this game and I'm thinking like is this

offense just not going to come together because for them to look so disjointed and CJ Stroud to look so inconsistent on a night against the Cowboys where it just was all laid out for you. It does make you wonder if it might not just happen for this team despite them being 7 and 4 and having a couple winnable games coming up. Yeah, it's a perplexing situation because when you look at them based on record, you're like, oh, well, this is a good team. This is a team that's going to be contending and probably make the playoffs

because they're in a bad division. And when you watch the first play of the game, you see Nico Collins take a screen down the left side of the field for a touchdown. It gets wiped out by a penalty. But if you watch them over four quarters, you kind of get to understand

who the Texans are, which is a bit of an enigma. Because at times, like in the first half against Detroit, the week prior, they looked explosive. CJ Stroud's dealing. He's got time to throw. He's got that quick release.

He gets the ball out on time on target. And then you go to this week, and it's like, where is that? Where is the rhythm of this offense? I'm done yearning for last year because I know it's not going to happen with this team. It starts with the offensive line.

They have not protected him well all year. They didn't protect him well at times tonight. I mean, you let a free rusher through the A gap at a third down where he's just got to immediately dirt the ball and give up possession. That's concerning. Even with Michael Parsons on the field, he's not the, he's not blowing up the game

to the point where that, you know, I'm sitting back and watching this line and thinking he's the problem. They're the problem. And I honestly think, and this is not a knock on Bobby, slope because I think he's got a tough job right now. They, their offensive line issues, I think, have, like, messed with his flow, like his ability to call plays in games.

There's a third and short situation where they hurry up and try to sneak a playoff, right? And it's a quick pass to the sideline of Tankdale. It's inaccurate. It's incomplete. And then they punt on the next play. If you're going to do that, are you going forward on fourth down? Like, I know I'm getting in the weeds here a little bit, but it speaks to the disjointed nature of the Texans who, at times, look broken offensively, and that's concerning, considering

they're probably going to win this division. No, I think that was a great sequence to point out, Nick, because I'm with you. That was the sign of a totally discombobulated offense. They punt at that point, too. There was a couple times in this game, actually, where after failing on fourth down early in the game where C.J. Stroud was intercepted.

They decided to be aggressive. It was when they were up 7-0, and they go for it on a 4th and 2, 4th and 3. and Stroud just throws a curious pass where it looked like he had Nico Collins for the touchdown. Troy Aikman was dumbfounded. At first I thought maybe it was a miscommunication.

He thinks Nico Collins gonna sit down, but it's pretty clearly an in-breaking route. And Nico had certainly had the right read because it was gonna be a touchdown and Stroud just misses him. And there were three or fourth throws like that in the night where I think of Stroud's accuracy as being what's most special about him

and he's just missing guys and he's out of rhythm. I think that's the right word for it and they're talking up that their offensive line. This is the second straight week they've had the same group for the first time in a while and they do think this is their best five and maybe they will get some cohesion. You mentioned that first play of the game. That was Laramie Tunsell who that's the first play of the game. You know you've practiced that a million times. and he made it easy.

He's a legal man downfield. And maybe they wouldn't have had the touchdown. If he wasn't downfield, he did get the block on that play. We'll never know. Nico Collins certainly looks 100% healthy. That is a great sign. And he absolutely helped them out tonight. But Laramie Tunsell's like the worst great player in the NFL.

You know what I mean? Like he's an all pro multiple times. But he screws up this offense so many times. And there's so many moments of this game where they're just disjointed. They're wide receivers and their tight ends. they can't block in the running game very well. And that's the difference between them and some of these other Shanahan-McVe-Tree type of teams.

They draft and develop guys on the outside in terms of their wide receivers and tight ends who can block. The Texans can't. So I know we're sounding very negative, but I think it's because we see the potential of this team. I had this team in the conference championship before the season. And I'm actually not out of hope yet.

How about you? Only because I've watched enough NFL seasons to know, So sometimes if you just hang around and hang around and you have good players and the schedule's easy enough, sometimes it really can click at the very last second. Like it's possible. Yeah, well, that's the key because at 7 and 4 you have a little bit of leeway. You're not in a good division. So you can kind of work out the kinks. I'm getting impatient because they've spent so much time not working out the kinks.

But the idea of continuity with that offensive line and this potentially being their best five, that does encourage me. I like to compare them to another team that I still have hoping that's in a much worse spot. and that's the Cincinnati Bengals, who we talked about last night, who have the inverse of their record at this point and need to basically win out to have a shot. The Texans aren't there. They have a little bit of breathing room to figure it out. But I also need them to prove it to me to a degree

because, like, you just talked about how they don't block the run well. Joe Mixing still goes for 109 yards on 20 carries and scores three rushing touchdowns. Like, he's been fantastic for most of the season, especially when he's been healthy, and yet that's overcoming some struggles up front. So the potential is there. it's just you have these remaining

seven weeks to figure it out. Are you going to figure it out? Because the glimpses we've seen it. We just need to see it over four quarters for me to truly believe. I had them in the Super Bowl, Greg. I know it was going out on the limb a little bit. I had Lions, Texans in the Super Bowl. I would love to see that but right now I don't quite believe in it.

That's not happening. I mean, I'm saying I'm holding out. I hope I just have seen too much of NFL football where it can just surprisingly come together at the end. For them, maybe that's winning a playoff game or two. You just never know.

I'm feeling great, by the way. I went back to look at my predictions today. And, man, I'm feeling great about those conference championships. I have Lions over Eagles. That's pretty good. And then I have Bill over Texans. Don't feel good about the Texans. But I do like my MVP, Josh, Bill.

Bill's winning the Super Bowl stack right now. I'm feeling good, so you never know. Let's go. Okay. You're on a heater. This was a game that, look, like, we talked about this last night. We thought it was going to be a blah, right? This is a game where if you're actually of that Caliard.

as the Texans, you prove it in a matchup like this. And they didn't. I mean, they did, but they didn't. So my pick's not looking so good. Their defense did. You know, they're not totally healthy up front. Will Anderson. They've been missing pieces there. Derek Stingley was fantastic, covering C.D. Lamb tonight. So it gives him some credit. 17 routes, uh, run on Stingley by lamb, two catches, 19 yards, three past breakups and an interception. He was fantastic. I think he's been a little up and down this year, actually, for a guy who he thought it's going to be a super-duber star. Mixing, Mixing is a top five running back right now. 22 touches for 153 yards, excuse me, and three touchdowns. And you're right. It's not getting blocked up very well. I looked at

the end of the game at the success rate, because I just was wondering, he's running so well. There were a few runs where he got three yards and it should have been negative two. Or he got seven and it should have been one. And it makes sense when you look at his runs. He had a 40% success rate, which is solid. It's not amazing. It's not as good as the numbers would indicate. But he also got stuffed, which means a negative run or at the line of scrimmage four times, which that's a lot.

Like good running games don't have that happen. And you see that week after week with him. So that that's disappointing. And that's the offensive line. And that's the part where it's hard to imagine. them getting a fix. And it feels especially annoying tonight because you know they're going against a team that, yes, they're totally different with Michael Parsons back. It's obvious, but they're still not a good run defense. Like they should be able to run better against this team. I will say,

despite everything that we just said about the offensive line, there's struggles throughout this season, I do give a big tip of the captain Nick Casario for jumping all over the idea that Joe Mixon's available for a seventh round pick. I mean, what a steal. He doesn't have a long life ahead of him. He's approaching 30. He's going to be 29 in the summer. But, man, for the position they're in right now where they have money to spend and roster spots to occupy,

what a move, man. That's paid off in droves for them. Yeah, he's a pro bowler. I'm trying to think of AFC All-Pro. Well, there isn't such a thing, so I don't know what I'm talking about. All-Pro is going to be tough for Mixing to pull off. But Daniel Hunter in this game

had two sacks, nine pressures. three quick hits. And yes, it's all coming against the Cowboys, but it just points out who the players are. I do worry a little bit about mixing because with the Bengals, his issue was he would always start off the season running so hard. I think no one runs harder on a per run basis, especially for a guy that's been in the league this long.

But he just would wear down physically and not be healthy by the end of the year with the Bengals. He had a little injury early this season, so the key for him is just to stay healthy. And yeah, I mentioned Nico Collins. We haven't really done like the stats. He ends up four for 54, but he had 37 yards after the catch. It looked explosive.

That was really important. Take Dell made a couple plays. He makes more sense a little further down the order. John Metchy looks like he's kind of developing into a nice third receiver. He also had a nice tackle on a fake punt. That's how you know the Cowboys were desperate. They called a fake punt and threw it short of the sticks on their very first possession, bones fossil, you know, going nuts.

and Mike McCarthy did not look happy after the game. Yes, in the first three possessions alone, here's what happened. You had the touchdown that was almost 80 yards, called back by penalty. You had the C.J. Stroud interception. You had the fake punt disaster by the Texans. Like, that is how we started this game. I mean, by the Cowboys, rather. We knew. We knew we were in for a weird night.

And we got a weird night. Luckily, it ended as it should have with the Texans running away with it. Oh, I forgot. I forgot Cooper Rush through an interception the very next drive as well. And Kalin Bullock dropped one. That could have been another interception.

Should we talk a little bit about the Cowboys? Yeah, we have to. They have trailed all their home games by at least 17 points. They have been outscored in their five home games. Most of those with Dak Prescott. by 118 points. Oh.

That is the third largest point differential in NFL history for your first five home game. So if you're a Cowboys season ticket holder that's gone to each one of those games, you have seen the third worst performance by a home team in NFL history. I mean, we're talking about like the winless Browns. We're talking about like the bucks with McKay. Like we're talking about all the worst teams. in history, this Cowboys team at home is as bad as any of them. I mean, they get a Cavante Turpin, 64-yard touchdown where he has the fastest time next-gen stats all season for a ball

carrier. So you got one highlight in this game, but Cooper Rush is all over the place. He throws the ball 55 times and he was sacked at at least five. So that's like 60 dropbacks in this game. And they got seven more games shook. I know. And that's what I wrote in the what we learned, you can check out on NFL.com, where do they go from here? Like, this is, it's not, yeah, he looked better than he did the week before because he was completely ineffective in his first start, Cooper Rush was, but you don't want to ever ask Cooper Rush to drop back to throw 55 or drop back 60 times in a game and think that you're going to win. There's no support in the running game. Even the game situation didn't really call for it until

essentially the fourth quarter for them to be throwing that much, yet that's where they found themselves. And also to add on to that stat that you listed, it gets even worse. They've trailed by 20 plus points at home in six straight games dating back to the Super Wildcard weekend lost to the Packers. That's where everything kind of fell apart. They had a quiet off season

and now they're paying the price for it with seven weeks left to go. It's one of the most depressing seasons I can remember. There was a play when they were driving and that was after they took the three points off the board and they're trying to really make this a game. At that point it's a 10 point game.

You get a touchdown there. It's down to three, late third, early fourth quarter. And on the fourth downplay, Troy Aikman, just with disdain in his voice, looking at the route that C.D. Lamb and the tight end was, it wasn't Ferguson, right? Because he left with a concussion. And he just said, I don't know what's going on over here. And knowing, like, just with the disdain, I don't know what's going on over here.

Like someone messed up. They should not be in the same place. And then here comes Mingo. He's actually doing a good job for his quarterback, but Cooper Rush just throws it over his head. And Troy Aikman, they were trying to put a good face on this game for a while, and by the end, he was just like, he was sick of that his cowboys are this embarrassing.

He even commented on the fact that the Cowboys fans had made a mass exodus out of 18th East Stadium by the fourth quarter. He goes, the amount of redness stadium is kind of overwhelming. Like, wow, they, you know, trying to spin it like Texans fans traveled. No, Cowboys fans left because they knew their team didn't have a shot. Well, that's true, but the Texans fans were loud as hell in the first quarter too. When Stroud hit that touchdown,

I should have mentioned after, you know, the penalty that called back the long touchdown, they still went down the field and had a great drive. It was the one drive all night where you thought, ooh, we're going to get the Texans. Like the perfect play calls, Mixon ends up getting a 45-yard touchdown. Hell, let's listen to one of the better moments of the night.

At the 45-yard line of Dallas first and 10, handoff Nixon starts right, cuts back left, has room. 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5, rock and roll, touchdown, Joe Nixon, 45-yard TD run. Monday night mixing. I love that Monday night mixing call. And he ends up with three touchdowns on the night, so he lived up to that name. Yeah, the Cowboys are going to be in prime time.

I was going to have this conversation later as part of the news, but let's have it now. all right the bengals and cowboys are slated for a week 16 primetime game and they cannot be flexed do you know why they cannot be flexed uh week 16 is it it's not a Monday nighter is it it is a week 14 game it's Troy and Joe again it's in just a few weeks they cannot flex it because it's the Simpsons watch-along game I don't know if you've seen anything about this Oh, man. It was Toy Story last year. It's the Simpsons now.

It's the Simpsons now and all the pre-production work that goes into that, including the voiceovers and everything. Like, they're putting too much work into that. They're not doing that on the fly. They're doing that work right now. So we got to keep Bengals, Cowboys in primetime on Monday night football. Well, I think we'll all come away with the same feeling and quote Bart Simpson's,

Bard Simpson in that moment. Eat my shorts. Oh, there you go. It's funny, though, because ESPN, they wouldn't flex the Cowboys out anyways. They would be like, oh, yeah, we can't do it because it's the Simpsons, but they don't want to do it anyways because it's the Cowboys, and they get the ratings, at least for the first half of these games. I do think they'll get flexed out in week 16.

That's a Tampa Bay Dallas game, so I don't think that one is going to be on the schedule. but yes, that Bengals game will stay there. We'll talk a little bit more about Flex in a second. Just a couple of final thoughts of this game. Did you happen to see the commercial where it's a part of the salute to service initiative that they let, you know, servicemen play against Michael Parsons on Madden and they put it up on the Jumbotron and Jerry World? And do you know where I'm going with this? Go ahead.

Did you see the score of the game? Yes, it was 50 to 7. It was 50 to 7. Michael Parsons put it on this dude. You got to honor this man by putting on 50 to 7, and they tried to fake us out by showing Michael Parsons all upset about a play that happened. First of all, great job by Parsons, that he was that upset that he even gave up points to this bum.

If you're going to have a serviceman play Madden on the big board in Jerry World, Let's get one that can compete a little bit. All right. Let's get someone that can compete. One, playing on a jumbotron was a childhood dream of mine because I saw C.C. Sabathia do it at Progressive Field back in the day. So good on the servicemen for being able to do that with Micah Parsons. Two, that is the type of competitor, Micah Parsons,

is that he was upset that he gave up any points. And that's exactly why he put 50 on him. And three, actually, 3A, this reminds me of when Cardale Jones, the former Ohio State quarterback, went to a hospital and played Madden against a kid and destroyed him even worse. And 3B, I played against the best Madden player on the planet for a story a couple of years ago.

His name is Henry Leverett. He's won like six Madden Bowls, nice kid. And he dominated me by about the same margin. So I know how that guy feels. That's the best one in the world. And yeah, I hear you. Let's just pick a guy that can compete a little better. That's all.

Yeah. I mean, it was a night of no mercy. It was a night of no mercy. It was a night of no mercy. Parsons, like, body slammed Robert Woods at the end of this game. Let's actually look at the tweet that the Texans sent out towards the Cowboys. And they said, look out below with a big fat L on it and then showed the piece of metal roof that fell from the Texan Stadium. What a picture, by the way, that someone caught apparently or they superimposed this.

I don't even know. They did. Yes, but before the game, they opened the roof and a huge piece of metal fell. I'm almost surprised the Texans sent this out. Not because they're putting that L on the Cowboys. This is a real rivalry. Props to those Texans fans, enjoy this win, by the way. Your team want to combine like six games over two seasons and two years later.

You got a couple of Nimrods like us honking that they didn't look good enough while they're beating the Cowboys. 34 to 10 in Dallas to get to a 7 and 4 record. You've been through it. Enjoy these moments. Don't worry about us. But the fact that they're making fun of this, the Texans are making fun of the Cowboys for their building to fall apart.

It's kind of funny because if that medal had hit some dude or woman on the sideline, like, I don't know. Like we could have like a decapitation or something. That thing looked scary. I mean, it was floppy sheet metal. I don't think it had a lot of weight to it. But it was good on the Texans for

taking two pieces of sheet metal, making it into an L, that's great social media work out of their team. That's true. It wasn't the real thing, but that's next one. Okay, you're saying floppy sheet metal wouldn't hurt you, but from that high up with the velocity, I guess it was kind of swinging back and forth with like a leaf, but like, I don't know. Maybe I'm stupid. Like a football if it hit you from that far up would hurt like hell. I mean, Gronk once caught a pass, dropped out of a helicopter, and he was perfectly fine. Well, yeah, if you're paying attention. but I'm just saying if that hits you in the head. My last thought on this game is just,

I'll remember the facial expressions in this game. C.J. Stroud's face after he threw that first interception, I already was worried that like, oh, man, he's in his head a little bit because after that, I don't know if he totally got out of it. He was so mad, so just frustrated already after that first interception. But the glare that C.D. Lamb gave Cooper Rush, after Cooper Rush threw behind him on a second down play was, I would say, withering.

It was withering. The very next play, by the way, Cooper Rush throws a go ball that wasn't open at all to C.D. Lamb, almost to apologize, and C.D. Lamb has to have an offensive pass interference, and that, like, knocks him out of field goal range. Like, that is the type of night it was. But the Cowboys offensive players on the sideline, they're like, I can't believe we got to play with this dude for another few weeks. guy that's apparently worse than this dude, Trey Lance.

Like, what are you thinking if you're Trey Lance right now? I mean, it's a humbling moment for him. I got a text tonight. It was like, is Trey Lance really that bad that he can't replace him? I'm like, yeah. Like, you can talk about his preys. We will find out. We will find out.

He will be playing. Titans, Texans next week, Texans got to play better. I said this is a perfect schedule for them because they can beat up on the bad teams get to nine and four and then the tougher part of their schedule comes they have Miami they have Kansas City they have some tough games down the stretch but you got to play better like even the Titans I'm not counting that as as a W necessarily no I would agree the Titans can be a frisky bunch their defense is not as good as I think people thought they were earlier in the season but if Will Levis can have played turnover free football it could get interesting

they made it interesting over the weekend this past weekend so we'll see Texans do have to start to find a rhythm, though. Maybe this is the first step. Yes, I hope so. And, yeah, that post-buy schedule, if they can get past Titans, Jaguars the next two weeks, they'd be nine and four. At that point, about the three-seed most likely in the AFC,

and then you have a buy, then you have Dolphins at Chiefs Ravens, your next three games after that. So they are going to be a big part of the story, and I'm glad. I believe in you, C.J. Stroud, I believe we're going to make this show sing, Nick Shuck. We're going to take a quick break.

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IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Back on NFL Daily, we got some jaunty music. We don't have some jaunty news here. Let's get over. The obvious story was coming. We've been waiting for it for a week. Giants fans were waiting for it all season, a couple seasons.

Daniel Jones will no longer be the starting quarterback of the New York Giants. It would be a big upset, I think, if he ever plays for the New York Giants. Again, he's not only benched. He's going to be the third string quarterback. Drew Locke will be the backup. We talked about this. We put this out in the ether on the preview show. A couple weeks ago, we said just put in Tommy DeVito just for Thanksgiving.

Give it, give that to us. That'll be better than Drew Locke. And we're not just getting them for Thanksgiving. We're getting them in week 12. And then five days after that. Yes, against these Cowboys on Thanksgiving, Nick. Yeah, Tommy Cutlets, he was the source of inspiration in an otherwise dark season for the Giants last year.

He was so big. He got a, I think it was a pasta sauce ad. His agent dresses in pinstripe suits and fedoras. He became a sensation on the internet. That's kind of almost all that he's worth. He did have a few nice performances, but at this point the Giants are just, well, you know, to keep it in the Italian theme,

they're throwing spaghetti at the wall and see him with sticks. And they know that Daniel Jones doesn't stick. So why not go to cutlets and have Drew Locke as your backup? Drew Locke, by the way, did not look good in his appearances with the Giants this year. No, he was, that's all you got, that's all you got. He was so bad that I don't really buy the conspiracy theory that Florio's thrown out there, that like, hey, it's some red meat for your fans because they just will be entertained and they like Tommy Cutlets. And it's just to make them happy, keep them interested, and also increase their chances of losing games and trying to get a high seed. First of all, Daniel Jones is doing a perfectly good job losing games on his own.

Drew Locke would do a perfectly good job of that, too. I just think Brian Davel is not into Drew Locke. I think Brian Davel is absolutely in job-saving mode here. Yep. And that it might not be his choice to bench Daniel Jones, although it was obviously time. It was obvious to everyone, including to him. I just think he truly believes Tommy DeVito gives them a better chance to win.

And in the off chance that they're all there next year, Drew Locke's not going to be on this team. There's a chance Tommy DeVito's on this. team as like a backup or even a third stringer again and they want to do it. I truly believe they just think he gives them a better chance to win games. They are two and eight. They play the bucks this week and then at the Cowboys and the Saints. So that's a pretty forgiving schedule of opposing defenses relatively. But man, two and eight giants. It feels so late so early for these teams, Nick, there's so many of these two-in teams like the Cowboys that, like this Giants team has

seven more games to play. And we're talking Tommy DeVito already. Yeah. And the schedule like you just mentioned, you know, there's some workable defenses, but it doesn't really lighten up all that much. But again, this is an example of what you just said, which is job-saving mode and he's going to a guy that he has experience with. You know, he's at least seen him perform capable enough to lead them to victory or at least exciting finishes in his time as a starter in a time of need for them.

So that's why he's going there. But it is going to be a painful and it feels kind of more like there are more of these teams in these situations than a year's past. Maybe it's just recency bias. No, this year's different. For a lot of these teams

who are not only watching the draft board, they're like, all right, where are we landing this week because we know we have no hope? It's kind of crazy. Okay, so I'm glad. you brought that up because it was something I wanted to talk about during the Monday night recap, but it just fits well here. This was the first prime time game, I think, of the

season with a truly dead team. And I should have just gone and looked back at the last couple of weeks. I'm sure there was one team that there's been teams that we know weren't doing anything like many of these Giants games. But the difference is now we're getting close to Thanksgiving. You see the number of losses that are on there. We're getting to like the mathematically impossible. We're just playing out the string portion of the season. And this was the first prime time games. We're really hit to me that like, oh,

their seasons over, over, over. But there's going to be a lot more because of all these two and three win teams that are out there. And it's bad for the product. And like your Browns are in prime time. Yeah, I just saw that. 13 and they're in prime time this week 13 it's four times coming up the rest of of the season um they are in prime time this week against the Steelers so at least it's like a team that's relevant

uh that they're facing there are a handful of other games you can flex out of Sunday night football Monday night football and now Thursday night football there's a Brown's Bengals week 16 Thursday night football that I think could be, did we, have we ever had a Thursday night football flex? But that one could be flexed out. And there are a number of games, but it's unavoidable on some level. Like there's a Saints Packers Monday night football

that we might have to watch the Saints in Primetime. There's a Raiders, Falcons, Monday night football. And there's a Brown's Broncos Monday night football in week 13. Now they can only flex Thursday night football twice down the stretch. But Monday night football, they can as much as they want. So keep an eye on Tuesday. I am curious how active they're going to be flexing these games.

Browns Broncos is that flex-worthy to get the Browns off our screens when they're scheduled to be there four times in the next few weeks. They actually would have to make a decision on that on Tuesday or maybe Wednesday. So we'll find out early if they're starting to flex some of these Monday and Thursday night games. They really haven't done that in the past much. And the Thursday night flex, that's a new thing. Yeah, I'm looking at some of the candidates here for that week, and it does get a little ugly, like the prime, the Sunday night games between the Niners and Bills that week, which is going to be nice, because the Niners are going to have their backs against the wall to a degree,

but we also know who the Niners are. Eagles Ravens in the late window on Sunday, maybe we get a little bit of a swap there, and then another swap to get the Browns out of the late window there. And there are possibilities, there are opportunities, but it's going to become a bit of a puzzle making exercise here. Just something to watch. In those games get protected. There are different games that are protected. I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles, Ravens, for instance, is protected.

For instance, on the Bengals, but not everything's predicted. In the Bengals Cowboys Week, there was a Cardinal Seahawks game, which now is just a better game that they can't move into that spot. And that's a game that wouldn't have been protected. So just something to watch this week, if we can get the Browns out for week 13. We would thank you because two weeks from tonight, Nick, if that doesn't happen, we're doing Brown's Broncos. And the Broncos are relevant.

At least you've got one relevant team. You need at least one. There's going to be a lot of games like that. This week, for instance, there is not a single game on Sunday, Nick, between two teams with a winning record. Oh, my God. Oh, wow, you're right. Oh, it's like a murderous row of unbalanced matches.

It's just unbalanced. And look, the NFC West teams are interesting. And we got a Rams Ingalls game. That's interesting. We have a 49ers Packers game. That's interesting. We have a Cardinals game. That's Seahawks game.

That's interesting. So there's some interesting games. I don't want to totally poop on the schedule. But yes, no game between two teams with the winning record coming up this week. Just one last thing. Like, the Giants stay bad because they don't stay aligned. And they don't self-scout. We've been over.

We've talked about Daniel Jones enough. We don't need to, I think, go over it in too much depth. But the original sin here was giving him that contract in the first place and not understanding the player that you had. And I really felt like Daibol never fully bought into it either. And they didn't draft him. Gettelman drafted him. So was Shane and Daibald totally in on him?

Or was it ownership forcing it on him and them getting the emotions of it? And now ownership is saying, we're standing behind Shane and Dable and they're really putting it out there strong that they're doing it. And I believe it because I don't think this has been Dable's fault and yet I think if they lose

at a certain level, he's going to be the one to go and that they keep Shane because Jones wasn't his quarterback but he was the one who actually did sign him to this awful contract and that goes up to ownership and then if they do fire Dable

but not Shane, then it's like they didn't come in at the same time. And this is just how bad organizations stay bad. I'm sick of talking about Daniel Jones. It's really not his fault. His level was obvious. He should be someone's bridge quarterback or backup, not making 40 million, and then everyone wouldn't hate him. And oh, by the way, he's coming back from a major injury, and he just doesn't even look as good as he looked previous to those injuries. He's

got back issues. Yeah, it's two elements that the Giants are paying the price for. First, they're paying the price for their success in their first year with Brian Dable, because that gave everybody the false hope that Daniel Jones could be the guy, but if you look at him statistically, the numbers were not great. It's that they won with scheme and players around him playing well and Jones doing enough. But it also came in a contract time where you had to make a decision and they made that decision. And we found a lot of teams in this situation. Even the Jaguars, you know, a different situation, but had to pay Trevor Lawrence now because that's different though. That's different, Nick. But you find yourself between a rock and a hard

place with quarterback specifically and the Giants because they came off of that sneaky good year where they won a playoff game, then suddenly had to make a decision that they probably were never prepared to make. But it's also the product of being a quarterback-focused league in that if you don't have one, you don't have a chance. So you take a swing on a guy in the first round like Daniel Jones out of Duke and think, well, maybe he's got the upside because the physicals are there. But the rest of it was never there. In hindsight, it's 2020. Sure, but they had him for four years in the building. That's what gets me about the organization. And the only reason they were successful that year was because

Daible limited his weaknesses. He basically coached around him and just had him dinking and dungin for most of that season and then caught a little fire with an easy schedule against bad defenses. And that's what I mean. They started believing their own hype.

And even then he wasn't really pushing the ball down the field. What was interesting and promising about Daniel Jones in the first couple of years of his career when he was in a much worse situation was he actually did make big time throws. He got that nickname Danny Dimes

because even though he wasn't a good decision maker, he was a little bit of a slow processor, maybe getting through his reads and stuff, he would throw it. He was aggressive and he made some nice plays, some nice throws, and that led

to variance. I was much more interested in that version of Danny Dimes. And then it all caved it on him. Everything was bad. He clearly can't lift up a bad team. Dayball comes in, coaches around him and gets him to not take any chances. He hasn't taken any chances in three or four years. Now he's, like, injury prone.

But how can you, if you can't evaluate a guy that was in your building for four years, it's all because I think John Mara, their owner, thought he was a nice guy. Like, oh, this is a guy that can marry your daughter. Like that's... Oh, that's a sin that's always going to hurt your franchise. You don't sign guys because they're nice guys. You sign them because they're good football players. That's why they drafted him.

They're like, he reminds me of Eli Manning. That's a franchise. It wasn't even that crazy a draft pick, actually, because you need, quarterbacks. That's my point, though. They somehow got Dexter Lawrence with the 17th pick. The sin is not just moving on two, three, you know, drafting another guy two, three years later.

Okay, that is the last Daniel Jones Giants conversation. We will ever have an NFL daily. I promise the listeners. Well, we'll have that conversation, but we won't like revisit it all. We got to remember this, Nick, you know, text me on that day. I'll stop you in your tracks. We won't revisit it all. We'll talk about what's next for Daniel Jones, what's next for the Giants.

in that moment, but we will not revisit the original sin. Okay. Let's move on. Not a lot of injury news today, which was really good. I was like, hey, it's a light day. Oh, that means there's not a lot of injuries. There's also not trade rumors anymore. But there were some.

DJ Turner, who was starting at cornerback for the Bengals, had stepped in and actually was playing pretty well for them, is believed to have a fractured collarbone. That is really tough news. That's from Ian Rappaport. So Cam Taylor Britt, who's been in and out of their lineup, but we'll be back in their lineup. Gabe Davis is also out for the season.

He has only 35 yards I looked in his last four games. That was a free-ed-in signing that has really not worked out for them. And the reason I wanted to stop here for a second is, you know who announced that Gabe Davis is out for the season? Can you guess? It wasn't Rappaport. Was it Gabe Davis? No, no.

It was an important figure in that organization. It was his coach, Nick Shook. Oh. Well, that's, why would I guess that, of course? But I maybe wouldn't have guessed that on Monday. Doug Peterson had a press conference Monday where he's talking about Gabe Davis's injury. Like, are they just busy? What is happening?

Are they not firing him just to get back at the people that kind of said he was going to get fired? And then everyone started saying they're poorly run. I don't know. Or is it just going to happen later in the week like the Daniel Jones benching, you know, a week later during their biweek? I was just was really surprised Doug Peterson was out there doing that press conference. Because if they do fire him later in this spy, it's like, why did you just make him go do that? Just be decisive.

Well, we haven't checked off the most important box on the path to a Doug Peterson firing, which is showing up on a Monday morning radio show and telling the host that he's pissed off. That is very true. The other injury news that came out on Monday, Efanu Melafanwu. of the lions who they were hoping would give a nice jolt to their secondary. Not that they need another great safety, but they do like playing three safeties. And he made big plays for them down the stretch last year.

He was one of their better defensive backs at the end of last season. He had an injury. He's been out all season, essentially, and then just got hurt again. It's going to be out for a while, according to Dan Campbell. Nick Bosa will be evaluated throughout the week. I think that's a really important injury to watch because that defense. just does not have enough juice without Nick Bosa. You could see the drop-off after he got hurt against the Seahawks on Sunday.

And then John Harbaugh said he is going to monitor Roquan Smith's hamstring injury. Which injury Nick Bosa or Roquan Smith would concern you more as a fan of those teams? Because they're both pretty huge. Yeah, they're both massive. Those are key players in both of those defenses. I would lean Bosa because the pass rush. disappeared after he left. That was a big reason why they lost that game

was because he disappeared and the pass rush disappeared. I'm also concerned about the nature of the injury. I'm not a Twitter doctor, but he was grabbing at his hip and his side and it looked pretty debilitating, which makes me worried that it's a multi-week thing. We'll see. Obviously, we're going to monitor for a week right now, but we'll see. Whereas

Roquan, you can kind of cover up because so many teams play sub-packages now, he's obviously a massive part of that defense, but they do have talent around them. I feel a little bit better about the Givens chances than I do about the Niners without Nick Bosa. Yeah, you couldn't pick wrong there because they're both just huge. Roquine Smith, I believe, never missed the game.

This makes me wonder if he's been struggling with a hamstring injury all year because he hasn't looked as explosive. And yet, when he went out in that game, they immediately started targeting Darno, Washington over the middle of the field and started making some plays. And I think it's a pretty big drop off. and that defense is already having its issues. I think if you take Roeke-Gun-Smith out of it, that would be a big problem.

So something to keep an eye on this week. We already talked flex, but we did not talk Christmas Day, Nick Shook. Oh, boy. Beyonce, Texans, let's go. We're getting Beyonce on Netflix. You know, we need the streaming to work, but we're getting Beyonce in her hometown of Houston.

That's next level. Like, you think it's CBS and Dallas goes big on Thanksgiving. They always have a pretty good musical act for Thanksgiving halftime. You get Creed. You get someone out there. I'm so glad you brought that up. We're going Beyonce on Christmas. That sets an incredibly high bar for the future of Christmas programming.

And kind of lets you know, like, Netflix is not messing around. Maybe they're spending some of that Tyson money on Beyonce. Like, imagine how much it must cost to get Beyonce to pay. play your halftime show. As somebody who is admittedly going to see Creed on Friday night in Cleveland, very fired up about Beyonce host doing the halftime show in a game involving the Houston Texans, her hometown of Houston. Now, Greg, I bring this to you real quick, just for some levity, some fun, favorite Beyonce

song of all time. Go. Mm, you go. Because now I forget, like, the names of it. Mine is going to be off the eponymous surprise release album of 2013, I think it was. Rocket. Great track on that album. Okay. Love on top also good. I mean, I'm clearly not like that huge of Beyonce fan. And yet, I listen to Lemonade like nonstop all that year. Like lemonade, lemonade is my shit. I would say, I would say hold up. Maybe it might be my favorite.

All right, all right. Awesome. There we go. No cowboy carter on there. That's fun. I'm going to get buried for that choice. No, that's all right. It's all right. I do. love it. I'm an old man. You know who else is an old man? Amari Cooper, at least in football years. He is in Buffalo. Sometimes the transitions don't work. And he is loving life in Buffalo. Let's listen to some comments he had after their big win against the Chiefs. First time in a long time that I actually felt joy from winning this game, from just the way we played, from having so many guys. on the team who, you know, are playmakers, and they come up and they show up when their number is called, you know, collectively as a group. It's just amazing, you know, a lot of the guys here.

It's just kind of a different place, too, Buffalo compared to some of the other places I've been to. So a lot of the guys, it's a tight-knit group, I would say. A lot of the guys go out together. They hang around each other 24-7, and it truly shows up on the field. It truly does. That was deep. That's the first time he's felt. joy in a long time playing football. I'm just thinking like Joe Flacco might be watching someone and be like, I thought we had some fun last year, bro.

Yeah, first off, I can relate to Mari. But secondly, hello, do you remember playing with Joe Flacco and making the play? I know you got blown out in the playoffs, but I mean, that was a pretty magical run. I understand you were a little upset with Dallas by the time you left, and the Raiders experience was pretty rough

by the time they got rid of you there. But hey, man, Joe Flacco catching strays. What's going on here? Well, I don't know about Joe Flack. Maybe it was more, look, I don't think it's been fun. It's one of the reasons why right off the bat before I even saw what Deshaun Watson looked like again as a professional, I question that pickup, not just for like the morality of it, but that the entire rest of the organization, are they having fun right now?

Like going through that first offseason? And I don't mean like right now. I mean even that first off season when they made the trade. Like, was that experience fun up to the moment that he even got to play football? Because it seemed miserable for everyone in that entire building. And it obviously, you know, didn't get any better when he did start playing. And so maybe that's informing what Cooper is talking about of just like what was going on organizationally. Like, yeah.

I just can't imagine that even when Flacco was playing, like, maybe it just wasn't the best vibes in the world. I just thought it was cool, too, that, like, he was just being honest and vulnerable in that moment. It's like, yeah, I mean, maybe he doesn't really feel much joy playing football all the time. Because he seems like a player that needs to be enjoying himself and confident to have a good time. Because you kind of see it when he's not having a good time. He's a stoic guy, and he also played with five different starting quarterbacks last year. So I think the turnstile that was the quarterback position probably contributed to that as well, which obviously Deshaun Watson had a hand in.

There's also a strange amount of, like, unnecessary pressure in Cleveland for a small market, regarding only the Browns. And he probably felt that, especially as their season unraveled quickly this year. Hmm. I mean, I feel like people are just going to get on me for the whole Beyonce thing, you know?

Hey, you know what? You already shot your shot? And yet that was like, that was the song I was thinking of. It's just like not a song that you remember like the name of for some reason. All night is a banger too, but a different kind of banger, you know,

but definitely a banger off of that. Jumping off the joy thing. I'm putting you on the spot here. The first time that he's felt joy in a while. Our first episode of NFL Daily, it was with Jordan Rodrigue and Patrick Claibon. That was our topic. What we're looking forward to in the 2024 season,

what's going to give us joy? Like what's bringing us joy just to think about? So I'm going to put you on the spot. If you want me to go first, I can, if you want some time to think about it. what's what's been bringing you some joy in the 2024 season? I'll go first because I was ready for this. Yeah, do it.

Well, first of all, like, it hasn't been a while. Hopefully that's coming across to the listeners. I'm really enjoying this season. You know, I enjoy every season. Anytime that I'm not connected to the game, and it happens, life, job, whatever it is, I found over the years as I got older, the key for me is to go back and it's so freaking corny to just like watching the actual

like whenever I get further away from actually just watching the tape that to be a dork but like watching during the week and drilling down on what I find interesting like emotionally or intellectually like then that's where I find the love that's that's where it comes from hell last week I just had a lot going on not not like it was stressing me out but I just was taken off my usual preparation. And I came into that preview show last week being like, oh, man, I didn't get into the tape as early in the week as I normally

do, and I felt it. I missed it. I didn't have as much joy talking about the games because I didn't have that basis. So I always have it. So it's not hard for me to go back and find, like, one's the most recent joy. Hell, that Sunday was pretty joyous to have that Gino Smith

run right after that Drake May performance, followed by the way that Josh Allen run, happened and Chris Rose is on the desk right next to me waiting to start his post game show and we're watching it and just screaming and knowing that's a moment we're going to remember at the end of the season live like that's what I absolutely live for but I also have been feeling joy on these Monday nights with you Nick and obviously throughout NFL Daily but just speaking about this show in particular like some are better than others I think that's

true of games. It's true of performances. But a lot of times I've come out of that these Monday nights and they've been really good games for the most part on Monday nights. And I've thought like, oh, we kind of nailed that. Like, oh, I hit all the things I wanted to see or, oh, that was surprising. And I leave feeling here like, this is good. This is what I wanted NFL daily to be. I think we're getting somewhere. I think it's getting better. And it's almost like hard for me to go to sleep afterwards because it's what I've been working for. for 20 years to do stuff like this. I was doing it when we were around the NFL,

and I still really appreciate it and love it now. So that's some of my long-winded reasons for joy of the 2024 season. Now, is this show going to reach that level of some of those high games? Sometimes you can only get to where the game gets to. I don't know if this game let us get to our very best, but I think we've done well with what we were given, Nick. Yeah, I would agree. I would say I found joy in two things, short term and long term. Short term, the turnaround of the

Washington commanders and watching all these commanders fans who have been, not in hiding, but just not proud to talk about their team, suddenly find a reason to believe again and turn on the TV every Sunday and watch their young quarterback and their exciting team that may be overachieving based in terms of roster strength, but is a really fun watch on most weeks. Granted, they've had a couple tough games recently, but they're still a very fun watch because of Jane Daniels. So I really enjoy watching those people find happiness, much like I watched Browns fans around me last year, enjoy their run of the playoffs. Because when a football team is succeeding, it's really fun to be in that community and watch everybody get on board and rally around it. Because there's so many things

that divide this country right now. But at the same time, we can all rally around a sports team in a special moment. I experienced that with the Guardians this year as well, and the cabs 15 and now. But I would say the joy that I found in football, because you're right, the grind every week is long. Getting QB index done, it takes a lot of work from Sunday to Tuesday night. But I always get it done. And sometimes you lose it when you're grinding through games and everything else. It takes until you step back, like you said, to really enjoy football. But there are moments. Sometimes it's watching Gino Smith Scramble for a touchdown in the final 15 seconds of the game. Sometimes it's somebody getting blasted on a condensed game the next day. But the joy I find

the most is as soon as we are done here, I get up and I feel invigorated. I feel fulfilled doing this podcast with you. I have always been very great. grateful that, you know, you brought me into this group. You brought me into NFL media a decade ago. And I love doing the show and I can't wait to continue doing it for however long we go because it's been a blast and I thank you for it. Well, that is very nice, Nick. It's been really cool. Like, I wasn't planning to have like a mid-season checkup on how NFL Daily is going, but it is the coolest thing to have this group of people. And it's obviously different than than around the NFL, but to have you and Steve and Colleen and Jordan and Patrick that's just

it's just part of the mix and get to know them in a different way, like more regularly and just sometimes life changes. And it's been, it's been a beautiful thing. And yeah, it's very nice of you. Nick Shook 10 years ago. Yeah. The only thing I miss now is not being out there with you guys. I missed the camaraderie of the newsroom and being in studio. That is part of it. I do like going into the office. We've gone on too long. I feel like I had one more thing I had to say,

but I'll remember it after the show. And it really wasn't that important anyways. You know what? It's not as important as the Captain Morgan players of the week. It's time for Captain Morgan's Corner presented by Captain Morgan. I'll let you start this week. We're going to mix it up. All right.

As much as I am a known hater, self-professional. Hater, especially in yesterday's show. Taysam Hill is my captain's corner pick of the week. Because, I mean, my God, he carried that offense to a victory. He's breaking tackles left and right. He's putting Brown's defenders in the Superdome turf. He goes for a career high, 138 rushing yards. He tied his career high with three rushing touchdowns.

It was a day for, what is he, 34 years old? The 34-year-old had his moment in the sun after grinding in a number of different positions for years. He is the guy who ends up on the roster as number 53 and works his way up the to the point where no matter the regime change, he's still on the team, and he comes through in a big spot. So you are my captain of the week, Taysam Hill.

Yeah, the pride of Indiana football, who's having a moment right now and gets mentioned every week by Joe Buck on Monday Night Football. Undefeated. Shout out to Rhett Lewis, too. Yeah. Big Indiana.

Big Hoosier. Groud. Former wide receiver. Didn't know that about Rhett for a little while. I'm going somewhere different for Captain's Corner, but man, like, I feel like we've gone pretty heavy on Saints or X Saints in this case. I am going to show you some, a clip of James Winston hugging all of his teammates after the game. What got me about this clip was there was a huge line of Saints coaches and players.

First, it's Taysam Hill and DeMario Davis, and it goes on and on, and you could see there's some different New Orleans staff, and they're all just waiting, and there's all just so much love for the four years that they spend with James Winston, and it's so damn genuine, and it's every different section of the team, too. It's offensive linemen, it's defensive linemen,

it's special teams, it's linebackers like to Mario Davis, the leader of the team. You can tell its personnel that, you know, I don't know who they are, that just behind the scenes for the saints. And it goes on and on. Like that video could have been like five minutes long. And it just shows you, you know, he's a backup.

He's the number one overall pick that maybe it didn't all work out like he wanted it to in Tampa. But life's about more than that. And it's pretty cool how many people love hit them some James Winston. How many lives I have a feeling that he's impacted and people that love to be around him. So that is a W. That is eating the W. Yeah, there we go. It's important to impact people's lives positively.

And clearly James has done that, even with all the pregame... By the way, Greg, his pregame speeches on network television have been hilarious, like fantastic stuff the last few weeks. I very much suggest you tune in for those. But great to see him loved by so many people. That was the captain's corner presented by Captain Morgan. It's delicious and crisp. Perfect for your game day with friends.

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We are getting better. I mean, James Winston, he's bringing joy all around the New Orleans countryside. If I had really thought about that I was going to eat a W, I should have practiced it because it's just like, well, that was disturbing. This is awkward. My fingers are like dripping now. I don't know if that's the right way to end this show. Oh, well, you know when your fingers are dripping football's back. I don't know.

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