NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Texans-Jets TNF Recap with Seth Payne

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by former Texans DL Seth Payne to break down the Texans and Jets facing off on Thursday Night Football. The show starts with a look at how Aaron Rodgers performed against the Texans (03:50), followed by the guys reacting to C.J. Stroud and the Texans offensive struggles (09:09), the Jets defense stepping up (22:27) and more! Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Three receivers right, Garrett Wilson's solo left. Rogers in the shotgun. Takes the snap, four-man rush. Lobbs one left, into the end zone for Garrett Wilson. One-handed catch. Incredible. Did he get two feet down?

He did not out of the back of the end zone. He made an incredible catch. Wow. One foot down. Something. His knee may have hit before his hand did. His hand is. Yeah, his chin or his end.

or his body part there. An incredible touchdown catch by Garrett Wilson. As he got the shin down in the back of the end zone, he makes his second one-handed touchdown catch of the night that the Jets have the lead. Ooh, Garrett Wilson, is that the play that turns around the jet season? At least turned around Thursday night football. That was Bob Wusseson.

and Anthony Beckt on W.A.X. Q. I am Greg Rosenthal here in the garage for NFL Daily. And yes, joining me on this show, Seth Payne, former Houston Texan legend. And now one of the best, why are you laughing? Why are you laughing, Seth? They call, that's what the NFL calls all their retired players legends, which just so devalues that term like everything. Okay. Okay. You know, a good defensive lineman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a plugger. I tell you what, that was, that was hell.

Okay, I know. This is the risk. It was everything Thursday night football promises to be and delivered on. This is the risk. Yes, and yes, you can catch Seth. If you're in Houston, you know him as the co-host on Payne and Pentergast. And he does a great job. of the best out there on the local radio in the country. And it's always a risk with these Thursday nights. You get on a guest that's kind of leaning one way or another.

And frankly, it wouldn't have mattered if you were on the Jets or the Texans side. The first half of this game was ugly. But it woke up after halftime. You didn't know which way it was going to go. Just the way this season is gone, you figured that Jets would find a way to lose it in the fourth quarter and the Texans would find a way to win. that play, Garrett Wilson, doing his best O'Dell Beckham impression. And yes, it was different in many ways, but it was also a special, special catch by Garrett Wilson on Kwame Lassiter.

They review it. They call it a touchdown. And they end up winning this game 21 to 13 over the Texans. You're shaking your head about my comp to O'Dell Beckham. No, no, no. It was a beautiful guy. I'm just now appreciating it. like haven't watched the highlight again. And it's just in the moment, as soon as I saw that there was any hint of the shin potentially being down, I just knew it.

I can remember, was that before, after the Texans made the field goal, but got the penalty and advanced, but then missed the field goal. Okay. That's before it. It was a crazy fourth quarter, yes.

It was a crazy game. I mean, so the Jets scored 21 points. Really, they scored 28 because Malachi Corley drop the ball three centimeters from the goal line. I said at the beginning of this game, it felt like a game that was going to be decided by who committed the fewest catastrophes.

And by the second half, I think what I said before this game in our pregame show was don't be the team that allows it to click for the Jets, for Aaron Rogers to figure it out, to get Devante Adams going to really start to see the best version of Garrett Wilson. And they did all that in the second half. And you, and you especially, you know, Wade Phillips has said, Wade Phillips tweeted out that it's, it's hard to beat Rogers when he knows what you're doing. And, you know, I know immediately people are going to take that as like some kind of

an insult to do Miko Ryans or anything. This is what those old quarterbacks do. They, they figure he out in the fourth quarter. He knew he was going to have Jalen Petrie, The safety slash nickel back slash nickel linebacker manned up on Devante Adams and he took advantage of it and he hit it. And just all credit to Aaron Rogers, he was, I don't want to say vintage Aaron Rogers, but he was clicking. He figured out he uses a hard count really well to diagnose what the defense is doing. And he just made some clutch plays out there. And for the Texans, this is kind of like a lot of the issues that we've seen bubbling beneath the surface, but they kept winning. But now it's all come home to Roos. This was ever the poor

offensive line played, big chunk plays on defense. They've been playing like a 500 team in a lot of ways, but they've managed to win some close games. But this was, it's worse than 500 when you lose to a two-win football team. Yeah, I'm with you. And we'll dive deep into the Texans. I want to take advantage of your expertise, your knowledge, your, your, your pain in this moment. The legend, all the legend stuff, yeah. No, just open up your heart and really find out what's happening. But let's give Rogers some love, because you're right.

When you said, was this almost a vintage Rogers game? I'm thinking, what are you smoking? He was seven for 14 for 32 yards in the first half, but you're right. You're right. After halftime, I forget they only had three drives. They scored a touchdown on all three of them. And to Wade Phillips's point about figuring out what you're doing, I actually think he had a decent idea for part of the first half.

I mean, he saw when they were going press coverage on those third downs. And in general, he had the one-on-ones and he was trying to hit him, but he just couldn't execute. So, yeah, he was averaging two and a half yards per attempt in the first half. They couldn't do anything. They fumbled one time, the corally fumble. So they were going in for a score there. But there are other five drives in the first half. they punted on either a three and out or a four and out every single time.

And the difference, I think, between this Texans team and the one you would have seen a year ago is the Texans would have built up a lead in that scenario. So you can blame it a little bit on D'emico Rines' defense in the second half. But it's also on the offense for not taking advantage of a Jets offense that was really struggling in the first half. But in the second half, you're right. Garrett Wilson is a special player. That two touchdowns, two one-handed touchdowns.

He goes nine for 90. He won the matchups. It was with Petrie. It was with Lassiter. They were picking on Stingley for a couple drives. He struggled in recent weeks. Devante Adams goes out for a section of that fourth quarter after he had a really nice catch. Was that on Lassiter?

Yeah, Lassiter. Yeah, Lassiter stumbled at the jump. Yeah, with a nice break. That was on a fourth down, and he got hurt on that play. They check him for a concussion. And let's actually listen to the call because the throw, to Adams on third down where again he gets single coverage

is the one that really put the game away. Shotgun, Aaron Rogers. Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson's solo left. To his left, Brise Hall. Takes the snap. Here comes a blitz. Rob's one.

Down the right side to Bonte Adams. He's got it at the 10. Five. And the Jet Touchdown. Aaron Rogers hooks up with his old buddy, DeBonte. Adams right down the chimney and the Jets have a two score lead.

Yeah, and if you're not watching it on YouTube, that was three minutes to go to make it 2110 on a third and three on an all-out blitz. It absolutely worked, Seth. It's, uh, that's one thing. The Texans defense has done some things really well, but in terms of like standing up to the test versus a quarterback who is good for at least a half of football, they don't have enough guys that can really genuinely play

man. so like they've got jalen petrie was a safety that they moved to nickel but he's a better nickel linebacker and doing all that kind of stuff than he is just being in man coverage on people um so they it's they just they've got the lions next week so uh i'm sorry man i'm not i would try to play it down the middle and be professional since i'm on your i'm on your fancy podcast that for the nfl dot com folks and everything but my god They've got Detroit. I'm not an NFC guy.

How's Detroit this year? Are they better than the Jets? You do have another primetime game, though, right after that, which is against the Cowboys, which, you know, as you know, I don't need to tell you before. I mean, that's a big time rivalry game. That's shaping up as a big game

because, yes, the Texans could be licking their wounds there at 6 and 4, and they haven't been as good as their record all year. and the thing about tonight's performance that makes me most worried is what's made me most frustrated and worried about all the season. It's the slow, shook factor of C.J. Stroud.

That's just, it's going, it's happening every week. I believe in C.J. Stroud so much. I said, like, three or four weeks ago, if I could just have one quarterback moving forward, including age and contract and everything, it's like, I mean, yeah, of course Patrick Baham's like, Yeah, I mean, I guess so, yeah. But considering age...

Stick it to him, Greg. No, I'm just saying, considering age, like, Stroud is so young. Like, actually, I just love Stroud. And I thought he played so well despite what was happening around him for five, six weeks this season. But the constant pressure, I think, is starting to get to him. He was sacked eight times in this game. The pressure rate was 45 to 50%. but the times where he was protected in this game

look he doesn't have his main receivers out there he did look a little panicky in a way that I've never seen out of Stroud that makes me believe what you would expect to happen eventually all this pressure, the accumulation I think is maybe starting to get to him and that really makes me mad at your offensive cord. Bobby Sloke's getting a lot of heat in Houston

like increasingly so and I don't I don't anticipate my my show starts at 6 a.m. Central time. I don't I might not I just I might not so I'm going to do like a five hour YouTube stream. So we should do the Seth Payne YouTube. It's awesome. It's legendary. It is really great. Everyone check out Seth on YouTube and hell listen to the radio show to just stream it. Yeah. Oh no if you like if you're into misery. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead and just misery listen to it in the morning because it's going to be miserable. Yeah. This is it's a concern. Look, I played with David Carr. And I was talking with one of my old teammates Gary Walker about this the other day

when we were at Andre Johnson's ring presentation last week's game. But like David Carr, you know, no big deal. David Carr, just a bunch of legends hanging around. Andre, me, just legends, same status. So, but we're talking about David Carr. And David Carr, you'd watch him in practice. And David Carr back in 2002, 2003, He makes him incredible throws in practice, but he wasn't playing behind a good offensive line.

I think his, the clock in his head got permanently destroyed. And I, you just, you worry about these guys when they're in their formative years if they're constantly under pressure. And when you're talking about CJ being cool under pressure that early in the game, remember, he ducked away from Hassan Reddick, kind of shook Hassan Reddick off. And you could see from the close up, his eyes never dropped. He had his eyes downfield the entire time. So it's not like he's gun shy, but things in a lot of this, I hate to make it as simple

as well, man, things will be different if Nico Collins comes back next week from his hamstring injury. But Nico does make a huge difference in not just the deep threat, but the stuff over the middle. You know, you can connect on a slant over the middle to Nico and he breaks three tackles and it's 20, 30 yards. pretty consistently and he just doesn't have anybody there's no there are no big receivers right now in the receiving core um you know and even once nico went down you had tank and you had step on digs

but smaller guys but yeah which i i think cj could still manage pretty well with but he just he cannot trust the pass protection and uh we've probably talked about the left guard more in the last few weeks than we have in over a decade um and and and we're wondering like like, yeah, nobody wants to hear about. I was actually thinking about you. I told you, because you're a son's a Texans fan now. And I was like, hey, I don't know how much people are talking about this before the game, but left guard is actually kind of a big deal.

Lo and behold, there you go. I mean, I apologize to your son. Yeah, you, I would say you ruined his Halloween, but he's a nine-year-old. Halloween is Christmas. It's a close second to Christmas. Texans lost did not ruin him. In fact, as they were loot, as the Aaron Rogers, was throwing that touchdown past the Devante Adams.

He had just gotten back from trick or treat and he's out on the porch, passing out the candy to the kids that are still coming by and having the time of his life. He's not going to be brought down on Halloween. We're walking on the way to school this morning and he said, this is the best time of year. Well, Christmas number one, Halloween, my birthday is second.

So, you know, a nine-year-old's not going to get it ruined, but he would be. And I hate to think of the Texans fans who, I'm not going to say they were happy about an injury, but you did lose your left guard tonight, right, right? I had, yeah, I had quite a few. I had actual DMs from people kind of like expressing how guilty they felt over that situation. Kenyon Green, too, who is there?

I get confused because there's multiple greens there. There's two K Greens that play left guard. There's Kenyon Green and Kendrick Green. Kendrick is the scrappy little dude that came in and played left guard. He was a center in Pittsburgh. and he like he got demoted to fullback the next year his second year in Pittsburgh and like they'd given up on him as an offensive lineman. He came to Houston and actually played guard last year before he got injured and I thought it was way more impressive than I expected him to be. So this year,

this week we were wondering, all right, Kenyon Green got benched in the game last week. Jared Patterson, the Notre Dame kid, came in for him and played pretty well for one series and he got injured and we were expecting Ken Drick Green to come in. But they put Kenyon Green back out. out there. And then they rolled them out. Okay, this is, this is for your five hour YouTube. This is, yeah, I apologize. Okay, this is what you need to remember. If you want to, like, Jets fans, if you're watching this, enjoy, like, enjoy us being miserable

for a second with stupidity, okay? Last year in New York was when C.J. Stroud was concussed by Quinn and Freaking Williams by poor left guard play. So we were terrified going into this game, and that's what happened. So, offensive line issue. I'm and I hope you and we didn't get distracted but yeah like I was picking up the next gen stats pass rush numbers as you were talking there to just see like the offensive linemen the pressures and the pressures and I saw these stats and this is a this is a murder scene Will McDonald had nine pressures two quick pressures so that's under two and a half seconds Quinn and Williams had seven despite 14 double teams despite getting double teamed almost every snap he has seven pressures four quick ones so up the middle. that quick. You've woken up, Javan Kinla. I mean, Laramie Tunsell gave up a big sack in a big spot. So, you know, there were three different times where Stroud took a sack on third down.

When it was third and long and they were in field goal range, he kept making those field goals longer. One of them fair bear and missed. One of them he hit. And then, and this is where I do want to get to, you're right, Stroud. I don't think it's something that's going to last. I don't think it's going to be David Carr. No offense, David Carr. But first of all, I don't expect this pressure to continue forever. But I also think, like, players go through streaks where maybe their eyes get down. But Stroud has shown us who he is already as a pro, and they'll get it corrected at some point.

But whether it's perfect this season or not, I don't know. I want to think about two little segments of the game. After Corley dropped that ball, it just felt like a big moment in the game. he has Mechie going over the middle, Stroud does, after another run-run-past sequence, which they had a number of those in this game. And he was just about to deliver it, and he's getting hit low by Quinn and Williams.

And that's probably on the protection, and Stroud can't make the good play. Then later in the game, after they make a field goal to make it a one-point game, it's fourth quarter, mid-fourth quarter, it's going to be 14-13. Jets are getting the ball back. Then they call a penalty on the jets,

unnecessary roughness. They move the ball inside the 10. This is maybe the key sequence in the entire game. Joe Mixon, who starts out the game great. Is fantasy owners, as long as they weren't watching throughout? They're happy, 106 yards for a touchdown. But all of that was in the first half. After halftime, even late second quarter,

it's one yard, two yard, one year. It dried up for them. And they're at the 7-8-yard line, and I feel like they're panicky about the, the pass rush and they go run run pass like one yard i think they might have lost the year like one yard two yard or two yard negative three yards no gain okay see i'm just making things up right no it's all the same it's all so then the third so the third in goal is the one i kind of wanted to get to that was the one where that was a little panicky because he actually did get protected for

once and mechie does kind of come open on that play and he seemed in between and understandably was just like i got to get rid of this ball and he had mechie open and he had mechie open and And that ends up being a really big play because then Fairpan hits it off. He doinks one from a chip shot range. Jets go on for the killer touchdown. And that's really your sequence. And then on that very last drive,

not to beat a dead horse, but they're just trying to get a score late. And he's missing some throws that it seemed like they were open for him. I'm like, oh, that is not the CJ Stroud that I know finishing 11 for 30 for 191 on the night. Yeah. And it's a hodgepodge of things. The offensive line in the past protection,

in general, I think, is the easiest thing to point the finger at. It's the most identifiable. I think that the, and I really, I hate to overly simplify it, but I think that Nico Collins' presence last year was probably underrated in how much, and how good that offense, or at least how much progress that offense made, and how good CJ did. So it should make a difference. I don't know how much it helps and fixes the past protection issues. But also, some of the, there's too many times where it doesn't seem like CJ has answers for the blitz. And whether it's just him not, not going to the hots quick enough, if it's the actual play design at various times, I could point the finger. I mean, all of that eventually comes back to the offensive coordinator.

And I think, you know, Bobby Sloick, who just got a bunch of interest and a whole lot of buzz about being a head coach, the entire offseason, we were wondering, all right, well, he had a really promising performance with a rookie quarterback, but he hasn't shown that he can create a complete offense. And a lot of that came down to you. I talked to you before the season began. I felt like even people that were gushing about the Texans offense nationally were kind of ignoring the fact that they did have, they could not run the ball last year, even when it should have been easy to run the

ball. And now with Mixon, I mean, so much of it, even though the blocking has improved, so much of it is just Mixon being like a younger mixing. Like they said on the broadcast, it looks like he's five or six years younger than he was. He's able to take imperfect blocking. And blocking that for a lot of running backs, it's a tackle for a loss or no gain, he figures out a way to get 10 or 12 yards. But by the second half, the Jets figured it out. You know, and the Jets defense started to look a lot more like the Jets defense from the last couple of years. So they're simply not a complete offense with or without Nico Collins. You really get no feel that they can use the run game and the past game to complement each other

or to balance each other out. They can't run when they need to run. It's just, it's been a mediocre offense in terms of scoring. I think they're a 14th in scoring headed into this game. And that's pretty much what you said. can't score in the second half. So that was no surprise to Texans fans that they couldn't score in the second half. They've been miserable in the second half. Their 20th in DVOA on offense going into tonight, which is crazy. And I think to your point about Sloic, Strouds has composed as

impressive a young quarterback as I've ever seen. So I think he's got great players to work with. And it was a little less about the scheme last year. And more just about, you know, they built the right offense around him, but excellent players. You have an all-pro left tackle. You have a dynamite quarterback. You have Nico Collins. You have Tank Dell. Now, Tinkdell went six for 126 tonight. I think that was encouraging. For all this honking I've done about Stroud, like the touchdown drive that they had, he had two of the best throws you'll ever see one to Robert Woods on the run, one to Tank Dell. And then he had the 50-yarder to Tanktel in the second half, which is just Absolutely insane throw.

So the talent's there, the excitement's there. It's not like I think this thing can't get fixed. I'm glad you mentioned the Blitz because Jeff Ulberg deserves some credit for when he dialed it up. This has been a bad Jets defense over the last three weeks since he took over. So they get a little credit here for getting the win. Stroud goes 0 for 5 against the Blitz when he threw it. And that says it all. I'm not sure how many sacks he took.

I believe it was two sacks. on those place too. It was 37. It felt like 37 sacks. Yeah, so he did not complete a pass against the blitz. And Hassan Reddick makes a difference for this team and in this game. Like, C.J. Stroud was strip sacked in the first half. They had the ball inside the 10 or inside the 15 early in the game.

And that was from Aquinn-Williams pressure on your boy green. But also on the other side, Clemens collapsing the pocket. Reddick was collapsing. the pocket all night. He ended up getting a sack. And then C.J. Stroud was trying to step up, but he couldn't step up because there was Quinn and Williams in the middle. So Will McDonald, like, they had guys step up.

And whatever the vision for whoever the Jets are going to be, yes, it's against this Texans' offensive line who have looked bad against everyone. But so have the Patriots. And the Texans, I mean, the Jets passers looked terrible last week just five days ago against the Patriots. So it's a pretty big step in the right direction for the Jets to take. what's a struggling unit and actually make a difference on defense. It's been a while and they're going to have a long weekend and they're going to feel like, okay, maybe we can build from this.

You know, and I think from the Texans perspective, going against this team and the Jets, I was saying all week, look, they're two and six great. There's no looking past the Jets because all you have to do is look at the depth chart. And if there's anybody on the Texans that was looking at the Jets depth chart and thought, ah, two and six football team, like you're dead inside. You're dead inside or you're high all the time. They've got players all over the place. The story was that they were, what's that? I just said that sounds like a fun combo.

Sorry for. Dead and high. Well, usually it goes in the other order. But yeah, they, it's like there's no, there's no letups versus this team in a prime time game. You're just, you're going against Aaron freaking Rogers. I don't care what he's looked like this year so far. You're going against Garrett Wilson had three. hundred-yard games in the previous four games.

You're going against Devante Adams, who, yeah, hadn't done much, but he's Devante Adams, and he's just been on the team for a couple weeks. Last week, the Jets looked against the Patriots, like, they didn't know, they couldn't get a playoff. They burned, last week the Jets burned three timeouts in the first quarter

to avoid delay a games. They got to delay a game in the fourth quarter. And in the first quarter of this game, you had your chance to pounce, right? The Jets were doing all kinds of Jets-type things, except the Texans match them pace for pace with idiotic, weird, stupid things to do. So, yeah, I think if I were a Jets fan, you don't want to read too much into a win like this,

but that second half, man, they looked, they looked a lot like that depth chart should look when they're playing actual football. Yeah, they play the card. It was funny. Al Michaels was great on this. Well, I wouldn't say he was great on this broadcast overall, Because, like, when the game's bad, it was just so low energy. They're just, every once in a while I just think, doesn't, does the NFL ever watch this and, like, want announcers who are a little more excited about the game? Because they're always just so complaining when it's a bad game. And the MetLife was dead.

They were actually chanting. It was, they were actually chanting, sell the team as they were going to halftime, and there was booze, and Al and Kirk. But when he was taught, he is great in certain aspects, too, though. Al was saying how Aaron Rogers, when he met with him, just went through this whole thing. And Al was sort of rolling his eyes as he was talking to you. He was very convincing talking about, well, they'll just beat the Cardinals. And they're going to be a Western team going east.

And then it'll be a short week. And you got the Colts. And then you go to a bye and blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you can kind of make the case there. They can win any of these games. None of them are locks. And so the Jets could get back into it at three and six. The problem is, are they that much, like, more likely to win any of these games than lose?

They all seem about, like, 50, 50 propositions. As much as the Texans have probably been, like, a 4 and 4 type of team instead of 6 and 2 coming. I think the Jets have been closer to a 500 team, and they just keep losing these heartbreaking close games. And so it'll probably balance out, but that still just means you're a 500 team. It doesn't mean you're about to go on some great run. I think it's a big one to win this game tonight for the Jets. this is the very moment in the season when professionalism can start to wane if the team is just dead in the water, then your younger players or your less professional players kind of start to

let go the rope a little bit and just let the water take them down. They start staying out a little later. They're not in the wait room as early. So that's a big boost at this point in the season. I think for the Texans, the trend has just been kind of a steady degradation from week one until now to where things look like they're starting to catch up with some of their deficiencies. The Texans tackling even on defense, as good as they've been on defense, the first few weeks they were really sound tacklers. Then you saw tonight lots of mistackles, lots of poor angles, lots of just giving guys like guys that look like they do on the depth chart,

the chance to break long runs. You know what, though? I got to blame Bill Belichick a little bit, I think. Oh. I didn't need Bill Belichick going out, criticizing Hassan Redick, and then Hassan Reddick firing back on him on social media. I don't know if you saw that.

I didn't. I didn't see the firing back. No. Oh, no. Belichick just had mentioned on the McAfee show or on one of the 19 outlets he's on that Hassan Reddick was just kind of running past the quarterback last week. So Assan Reddick said something like, Belichick,

Belichick sounds like he's just sitting at home and bored. He needs a job. And I was like, well, I mean, he's probably making more money than you at his current jobs. But he showed up tonight. I mean, yeah, literally. So did Belichick on one of those underdog ads, though. I mean, he's cashing them checks. So they're both doing well.

Put a pin in the ad thing for a second. Because as far as Hassan Reddick goes, And that defensive line in general versus the Texans' offensive line, I'm so tired. I'm so tired of people. We've got this, we've got like this propaganda machine for the offensive line in Houston where people keep trying to point out how good the actual offensive line actually is. And they'll bring up the PFF grades, the pro football focus grades of the offensive tackles. And I'm like, listen, in pass protection, they've generally been pretty good.

but I don't usually play the PFF game, but if you're going to start the PFF game, pull up their overall grades because both those offensive tackles are graded like 20th and 28th in PFF. So if you're going to play the PFF game, don't cherry pick. It's been a bad offensive line. As far as the ads, okay, they tailor those ads during the Amazon broadcast, don't they? We don't all see the same commercials. I think they base it on your purchase history because I wanted to buy it every day,

thing I saw on the commercial tonight. Yeah, the Amazon ones are crazy. Yeah. I'm trying to think what they do. Yeah, they put it up on the screen to just buy it. It's a lot of tariff. Well, no, not even, yeah, but also just like the actual conventional TV type commercials, we're not all seeing the same commercials. Because I've never wanted, I changed car insurance companies last month. I saw like every other ad was like even more so than a normal football broadcast. An were a ring, which now I want one of these fitness trackers, I saw it and I want it now, and I've never seen an ad for it before. No, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. You probably saw a lot of toy commercials and stuff, and I saw zero toy commercials. Yeah. It's how they get you,

man. I got the kids. Actually, while we're talking social media, let's actually put up a couple other tweets. I just was enjoying the Seth Payne performance on Twitter in the first half of this game. he writes sauce tackles like the elite golfer he's focused on becoming oh those were the days weren't they back when i was talking smack yeah uh you're right though sas garder had one drive in this game where i think he had a penalty a miss tackle he gave up a big play it was crazy and then he left hurt for a minute it was just like wow he missed a tackle to dalton shultz then he got beat by the 47-year-old Robert Woods at a triple move, and then he got beat by John.

Well, he had to hold John Mechie because John Mechie was about to beat him, and then he got injured as he held him, I think. Yeah, that was a brutal drive for him. A couple of young cornerbacks who've been playing pretty rough. Let's see another tweet from Seth Payne. Those Jets fans have to pay a fee for grocery bags in New York

so you know they mean it. Oh, yeah, reference to the guys wearing the bags over their heads. the, they're imitating the a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-good. Good follow. What is it? At Seth C-Pain, yeah. There we go. I quit Twitter for a while and then I really, well, people started paying me to tweet. So I'm like, all right, I'm back in it, baby. People are paying you to tweet? Yeah, I get sponsored posts now. Wow. No, they, they're, I always, I do the little hashtag ad. Don't worry, Greg. I'm not going to Amazon you. I got to get in on that. Those were, those were fantastic. I'll send you some info. afterwards.

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20, to the 15 to the 10, pylon. That's a jet touchdown. Wow. The rookie makes an appearance and finds the end zone Malachi Carley, his first jet touchdown. And New York takes the lead. ruling on the field of a touchdown is under further review. I'm not sure for what. Malacca Corley, it turns out, makes a rookie mistake. He dropped the ball before he broke the plane at the end zone, celebrating his touchdown. Oh, that poor kid, man. That was only his second NFL touch, his first touchdown.

First of all, hold on to that ball. He just let it roll right out the back of the whole end zone. No one was paying attention to that ball. If the Texans had picked that up and ran with it, who knows? I mean, I don't know what I would tell Malachi Corley. This is what I would tell Malachi Corley. Listen, Malachi. First of all, killer name.

Awesome. Good job. Second, I was on the field when a young Plaxico Burris in his first game ever got a reception over the middle, untouched by defenders, went to the ground, stood up and spiked the ball. And we recovered it. And Plaskill Burris would go on to have a largely unblemished career, a productive career after that on the field. So don't worry. He never did. Plexgo Burroughs never did another stupid thing on the field. Yeah. So you'll be cool. Oh, and he's in New York. Register your firearms, Malachi. Yeah. You know what he also did,

though, which I feel like he doesn't get enough pop for. Score the guy. game-winning touchdown to beat the only undefeated team in NFL history in the Super Bowl. It's kind of weird that the Plaxico Burris just absolutely destroying Ellis Hobbs off the line of scrimmage gets forgotten in that moment. Right. Right. But these are I do feel. It occurred to me as Malachi Corley did that or is that we realized that Malachi Corley did that. I feel like you should get one Mulligan in a career like for something like that. If it is somehow you can just say, all right, this is once in a career, you get to a mulligan on something like when you pull a Leon Lett or like, I'd say Anthony Richardson pulling himself out of the game

because he was, because he was tired. Oh, come on. Running backs do that all the time. You know, he just said throwing like a 300 pounder off of my. Running backs do do it all the time and that's the point. It's that the running backs get rotated and out. The point being that in the 100 plus history, 100 plus year, history of the NFL. Nobody can remember another time a quarterback has done that.

So, and by the way, yeah, he threw off, so when Anthony Richardson took himself out of the game, he threw the, he threw fully, fully fought a cause he fell off his back, which was impressive that Anthony Richardson did that, 300 plus pound defensive lineman, but he didn't even make it to the line of scrimmage. It wasn't like a Lamar Jackson 49-yard runner or anything. Like, he, he got sacked on that play. And then it was too hired to go back in. This is fair. This is why you need the legend perspective. Yeah. Because I'm just, I'm just a podcaster, you know, and I was like, oh, that's not so bad. And then you hear the actual Colts team captain Ryan Kelly, like basically saying what you just said after

the game. I was like, oh, I guess I'm, I guess I'm wrong on this one. And that's why you are a legend. You know what? Okay. So no, this is one of those things where I learned long ago. I never want to be that guy that says like, you don't know because you didn't play the game. I hate that. I hate that when athletes do that because your job if you're in broadcasting is to use your experience to explain why it's different. So I got, I got a lot of questions from people this week. Like, hey, Seth, why is it that big a deal? So I had to calm myself and not be a meathead that says like, because that's the way it is. Listen, quarterbacks, that's your offense. And you're, if you're out there, it's because you need to be out there directing the show.

And yeah, if you just had a physically grueling play, then if your coordinator knows what the hell he's doing, he's not going to call a run play on the next play. But this is what's being lost in it. Greg, it was third in goal. It was third and goal when they were down by 10. So imagine being a quarterback in a third and goal situation, down by 10,

deciding that like, who, I just, I don't feel like I'm 100%. I better, I need a breather here before we kick a field goal. Poor young man. But anyway, but you added a lot of context, frankly, that, you know, we have a daily show. It's in the name. And yet, we didn't have a lot of this context previously. So again, that's why you are a legend. And look, you were very self-facing when I called you that early on.

But it's like, I've heard people say this. Like, this is like the thing about like young white guys just when they hang around. Like you can just be like, like someone can walk in you amongst your friends. They're just like, oh, it's Bob. It's the legend. And it's just like, wait, who's Bob? He's just like, oh, he's in accounting. Yeah.

You know, it's just like. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah. He's a legend. Yeah. All right. That's you.

Seth Payne. Yeah, check out his YouTube channel. Seth Payne on YouTube. and Pain and Pendergrass. And yeah, you're starting that show soon. So we will send you on your merry way. Oh, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it, man.

We will be back for our pick show. We got it with Cynthia Freeland on Friday afternoon. And then, yeah, we do the whole thing once again with our Sunday recap show. And, yeah, look, when the Jets are just giving their fans some hope, might turn into false hope, and it's getting into November. Yeah, you know football is back. We're back.

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