NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Thanksgiving + Black Friday Recap: Upsets Transform The 2025 Season

Episode Date: November 29, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly recap the Thanksgiving and Black Friday games starting with the Bears at the Eagles followed by Packers at Lions (18:50), Chiefs at Cowboys (36:34) and Bengals at Ravens (55:10).  Note: time codes approximateNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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where if the season just started at Thanksgiving, we've got a whole lot of Super Bowl favorites who are having a miserable season. Yes, I'm Greg Rosenthal. Recapping the Black Friday game, the three Thanksgiving games. I'm doing it from my garage in Santa Monica and I'm doing it with my friend Ali Connolly of the Reed Optional Podcast and Substack who's all the way over in Manchester. Ali, I'm glad you are the one joining me here for this show because I feel like the NFL is not the same as it was a couple of days ago that these two days, these four games in the NFL, have probably transformed like

how this season looks, maybe more than any week that we've had so far this season. I agree with you. Everything feels off its axis. All the superstar quarterbacks are essentially seemingly, if not out the playoff hunt right on the bubble of will they make it or not. All of a sudden you start really bang into the cowboys going on this run, maybe getting into division contention. And then the bears, I mean, we talked about them, what was it, last Saturday, and some of the kryptonites and concerns and all of a sudden, like out of ticking some of them off week by week, like they could really be a problem in the postseason.

Yeah, we're going to start with the game in Philadelphia, but we have a lot to get to. The Chief's Cowboys game was, to me, as fascinating as there was a game all season. The creeping discomfort with this Ravens team will hit that at the end. But why don't we start, yes, in Philadelphia, and with this NFC North race that the Bears just stubbornly refuse to bow out of.

They're in first place going into December. Ball in the 28, snap to Caleb, fakes to Swift, rolling to his left, being chased, going to throw deep. He's got Commit over the shoulder. Head zone. Touchdown, Cole, Commet. What a play call by Ben Johnson. And a throw perfectly timed Caleb to Cole.

dead the lead, 23-9. Oh, on a windy, cold night in Philadelphia. It was the running game for the Chicago Bears, but it was also the play calling. Great call there by Jeff Joniak on WMVP, Caleb Williams to Cole Comet. Wasn't a lot of passing in this game, but man, that was well-timed,

as was a lot of third-down calls from Ben Johnson. The Bears, for them, end up cruising 24. to 15, and it could have been even worse on the scoreboard, Ollie. This was a mollywapen, 281 yards on the ground from the Chicago Bears. How did they do it? They just manhandled them. I mean, they bullied them up front. There was all kind of the creativity of Ben Jod's in the run game,

and he'll get a bunch of those plaudits, but they just went man-on-man a lot of the time and just bullied them. And the score is a really kind reflection. I thought the Eagles response defensively was pretty poor for someone of Fangio's stature, not having the ability to kind of mix up on the fly. I understood some of what he was trying to get away with, but the payoff comes on some of the play action shots.

They were able to hit. Not a great game for Caleb Williams, probably back-to-back weeks where he's not being near his best. But they just dominated them with the ground game and the Eagles had no response. Yeah, I think the wind, it's hard to know without being there, but the teams that were going into the wind all night

struggled to throw the ball. And so I think that had an effect, but you're right. The game could have been a bigger blowout. And we'll get to that part of it, but you look at the running numbers. There were two 100-yard rushers for the Chicago Bears in this game before the fourth quarter started. That hadn't happened, two 100-yard rushers for this team since the 85 bears. Like, in an entire game, DeAndre Swift, who's been incredible since the buy week at 120. years, Kyle Menungai, who's been awesome this season,

130 yards. And if you add up the total plays that the Eagles defense has been on the field for the last two weeks, it was 90 last week, it was 85 this week. I don't know if that played into how Ben Johnson called this game in the first half, but they looked like a tired defense. And I think the bears were really confident that like we are going to be the tougher team. We're the one built for this sort of atmosphere. And they were absolutely right, 47 plays in the first. first half. And even though the score was close at half time, it really felt like the rest of the game was set up by that first half just dominating the time of possession. Yeah, I thought the

Eagles look gasped by the second quarter. I mean, they finished with 11 mistackles. There was two guys with four mistackles apiece, Blankenship, and Nacobie Dean. I thought Nacobie Dean had a really brutal game. Meanwhile, Jihad Campbell plays zero defensive snaps. So looking to try and change the defensive personnel. And Ben Johnson put you in this impossible bind. The Eagles want to play with a light box. They get completely mulled whenever they play with the light box. They try to ever so slightly change the front structure. But the way Ben Johnson calls the running game means you're pretty limited in how many bodies you can actually stick down there because if someone misses, there's nothing behind you to try and figure it out. So when you've got all the creativity

and misdirection and they lead the league in play action, you're just panicked all the time that something's coming over our head for an explosive, either the play fake or one miss tackle, one burst, one kind of bit of trickery in the backfield. And it's a wrap. So it kind of forces you to play a bit more static, be a little lighter in the front. And that bear's line is just crushing people at the moment. Yeah, Darno Wright has been the breakout from the line, but you have to give the front office and Ben Johnson's vision credit, especially after that first month of the season when it wasn't really working, the free agent pickups with Dahlman, when Jonah Jackson has been out there and in general, just developing the guys that they have. And some

are backups like at left tackle. It's just a really great, greater than the sum of their parts team right now, which is really tough. I mean, you don't normally see volume like this with this efficiency, 47% success rate on the ground. And it's hard not to just think about the differences between where this bear's team is right now, and not the bears from a year ago, because I mean, that's night and day. This is a nine and three bears team. But the Eagles, where they were a year ago, they are now eight and four. And all the concern that everyone's saying, yeah, but they're winning games, now they're not winning games. Again, better competition and the running game stuck out tonight under 30 success rate in terms of

percentage. But Jalen Hertz, I thought, had a rough go of it for much of the game, whether it was just missing throws or making rough decisions is just another game where it didn't seem like they could take advantage of enough mismatches on the outside. No, I thought the game plan was egregiously bad. I thought Jalen Hertz was egregiously bad. You kind of bundle the two together and it just becomes a complete nightmare. I mean, they're getting booed off by the fans on the first three and out of the game and it felt fair.

This is the defending champs coming into the game who have their division lead and you felt like the foos were valid. The booze were valid. It was like, okay, after they saw what happened with the Cowboys, last week it made a bunch of sense and hurts in particular just, I thought his brain was completely scrambled by

a really pretty placid static defense on the back end. To be that confused is deeply, deeply troubling to me. yeah there was like a a lot of blitzing from Dennis Allen and the Bears but like most of the Bears defensive games lately there wasn't a ton of pressure still like the pressure rate was very low even though the blitz rate was high I'm thinking of you know the early slant that they had potentially to Devante Smith where that could have gone for a touchdown and Jalen Hertz threw it behind him and on that same play Dallas got a is wide open down the sea. He has two touchdowns on the same play. He misreads it and then misses the

throw. Yeah. And I'm not sure if he thought Devante Smith was going to stop, but I don't know why he would think that based on like the leverage and where the coverage was. And yeah, he misses throws like towards the end of the game, he starts having faith in like the one-on-one matchups to A.J. Brown and A.J. Brown starts making plays for him. It was actually a great game by AJ Brown. He finishes with 10 for 132 and two touchdowns. The second one was. sort of garbage time with three minutes left, but he was making it happen. But I just don't know if, like, the crowd is getting into it. If it's the offensive line, like, it can't feel great going into halftime. And you mentioned the booze are loud after the first drive of the game.

The booze were insanely loud going into halftime. They have the shots of the kid, you know, going double bird. And then the father, I think, like, proud of his young son, like hugging him after that. That was one of my favorite images of the entire season. Just a beautiful holiday moment for everyone to enjoy internationally. I just think it's borderline unforgivable to have a game plan where the bears are on their fifth and sixth linebacker, right? They are blitzing like maniacs because they can't get any pressure. They don't get any pressure when they blitz. And to not have it built into your plan that everything we do is built around putting those linebackers in conflict, those are not starting caliber NFL linebackers. We're going to

lead into our old school RPO game. It's going to be an awful lot of Jalen Hurts designed run stuff. And we're going to make it, where is Sequin, where isn't Sequin? Maybe we get Tank Biggs being there for a bit more juice. If one of those lineback and misses the fill, it's an absolute home run shot. For that not to be the plan, for tempo not to be the plan, they only look competent when there's any degree of tempo. You see it the one time they get Jalen Hurts in the quarterback run game.

He rips off a 22-yard gain on the ground. Then they immediately go tempo. They take the deep shot to A.J. Brown, and it feels like they're in the game. why that isn't baked into being automatically part of the offense, particularly against this defense, just makes no sense. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that sequence up because at that point in the game, the bears are up 10 to 3.

We went over how dominant the numbers looked at halftime, but they didn't fully take advantage in the first half of that game. There was a fourth and one fail by Kyle Munungai, which was overturned upon review. I think that was the first drive of the game. game. Caleb Williams missed a very wide open Roma Dunzee in the end zone when he didn't get his feet set. That was more points that were not really taken advantage of. And then in the second half where Jalen Hertz throws an interception, where they have a three and out to start where

Sequin Barkley doesn't even look for the ball on the first play of the second half. And you're thinking bears have to put it away. And they can't move the ball at all. They get one first down in the first two drives. Then that sets up the drive you're talking about where finally they go tempo. They get five plays, 92 yards. There's a penalty thrown in there. It's 10 to 9. And they end up getting the ball back after a Caleb Williams interception on a screen pass where he doesn't give enough loft on the screen pass. So suddenly, the Eagles just scored. It's 10 to 9. Like they're only down one point, they start driving down the field. They are in position to take the lead. And this is where I think the game changed. And I know this must have been fascinating to you. Just from an

X's and O's perspective, the game turns on a tush push fail. I think that was the biggest play of the game. Our guy, Nashon Wright, who's having a great season. Like, he's bounced around in the NFL, having a great season, comes in on the tush push in the red zone and rips the ball away from Jalen Hertz. And that's at 10-9. And that really does turn the game around. The bear's score on the ensuing drive. What did you see on that play that Nashon Wright got the ball from Jalen Hertz? Yeah, this goes back to Kelvin Shepard. Calvin Shepard having a really rough time of it as the defensive coordinator in Detroit right now. But he figured out the touch push, which is to have an offset defensive player. He used Nashon Wright. Shepard used a linebacker. And you basically

spear the touch push. You have someone just completely ignore the sneak element of the touch push and he just races in from the side to go and grab Jalen Hurts and you hope he can hold him up and pull him back and it removes the push element of the quarterback sneak essentially they twist it slightly with Dennis Allen say just go and rip the ball if the ball's there and Jailen Hurts's going to hold it just go attack the football and you get one of the biggest turnovers of the season to swing I think the fortune of two franchises

and while doing that may be put to end the effectiveness of the touch push that is the way to stop it it's been proven not Brian Flores trying to sacrifice a human at the altar by lying down that one did not work but Kelvin Shepard figured it out Dennis Allen took it and that is just out there now I've used this spare motion

that you can use defensively you can attack Jalen Hertz before the push comes along and it was interesting to hear Al Michaels and Kirk Herb Street talk about Jalen Hertz sounding like he's not even that big of a fan of the tush push

so he would rather just maybe do a quarterback's sneak so maybe that gets back to the Eagles and he helps like just self-sabotage the tush push the insuing drive Again, it would have been a fascinating fourth quarter because I do think the Eagles defense still would have been tired in that situation, but it would have been a fascinating fourth quarter

to see the Bears behind in that situation, whether it was by two points because of a field goal. And yes, they were down that one point because of a Jake Elliott missed extra point. The wind and just the kicking conditions were not great. But then the Bears rip off a really outstanding drive where they basically don't have Caleb Williams throw the ball at all.

And it finishes in a very, fitting way with a Kyle Manungai touchdown. Two tight ends, right side of the line, Manungai, the lone back, take from center, and the give. Monongai, washed out by Jonah Jackson, clears the path to the end zone for Kyle Manungai. Mighty Manungai.

Another touchdown run. This one of four yards. And a 16-9, Bears lead over the Eagles. Oh, I love that. And that was a sweet drive. It was a 12-play March. 92 yards, and they follow it up their next drive with a touchdown drive, too. And you mentioned on Blue Sky, I believe it was, a little back and forth with Jordan

Rodrigue, which I love to see. And she made the hilarious and true comment that broadcasters love nothing more than the phrase illusion of complexity. And you pointed out, yeah, but in the Bears case, like, it really is pretty complex. So late in the game, like, what did you see for what they were doing on those last couple touchdown drives where it just felt like the Eagles defense gave way. Yeah, I would love one of these coaches. Remember when Charlie Weiss went to Notre Dame and he was like, we have a schematic advantage. Then he like completely fell on his face in college football. I would love one of these

coaches come out and say, no, we are actually very complex and better at this than everyone else, which is essentially what Ben Johnson does week to week. It's just the volume of packages, the volume of concepts within the packages. And I get what they're saying about. They dress things up to look the same way. They also just put guys in such difficult assignments. It's hard to overstate how difficult it must be to play titan in that system. They have way more on their plate than essentially any other position in the NFL. It sets up all the run game, all the play action stuff. And on that drive, you're talking about that.

They just lead all the way into, let's go and find our 14 best run plays. And we'll just pick between them based on the leverage of the defense, essentially, where someone's shaded, what is going to tag the weak point of the defense. It's just classic Ben Johnson. You get some of the payoff stuff. This probably wasn't Caleb's best game on the payoff plays. They were there to be made. he just couldn't connect on some of that stuff.

I'm sure the win played into that, but that was Ben Johnson deep, deep in the bag on a must-have-it-drive for the season. Yeah, and I think you do see some of the weaknesses, not just a Vic Fangio's scheme, which you mentioned had a light box for so much of the game, but also just these guys, Jalen Carter, barely left the field last week.

Their front in terms of Jalen Phillips, who might have gotten a little banged up at the end of the game and their defensive line in general. general did not come off the field much in that 90-snap game against the Chiefs, and it was the same tonight. And by the end of this game, they just looked gas. And they protected Caleb Williams well. He didn't hit everything, but he hits that touchdown. There was another third and four in the fourth quarter that was important. That was impeccably blocked, and he ends up hitting Colston Loveland on the sideline. And then I thought the play calling was great at the end of the game when

they're trying to kill clock to use Caleb's legs on a play where he runs to the sideline. Man, he, in a straight line, he's one of the fastest quarterbacks in the NFL. I genuinely believe running to the sideline, he's the quickest guy in the league. He just for so. He loves doing the show-off Mahomes slowdown. And it's like, buddy, you're not Mahomes. They're not going to give you the free flag. Please just get out of there and stay safe.

That Loveland play is important, though, for the Eagles, too. They've changed defensively what they do on the back end because they're so scared of Adori Jackson, where they play a side's defense, a cornerback now, which you just never see in the NFL. one guy is set to one side one guy set to the other and instead of it being left or right which is often how the league will do it they're going field boundary so short side the field is quinion Mitchell far side the field

is adori Jackson and that's been out of that that really like discombobulated the Lions a couple of weeks ago because you don't see it in the league very much now that's out there it's very easy for the office to dictate we know based on how we set our formation exactly where Quinnion Mitchell is going to be on the field if you go and look at that play they get the matchup

they one which is Colston Loveland in the slot Henri Blank ship and everyone is hunting at all times for re-blankenship. That's what everyone wants to do against the Eagles. Everyone else is like an all pro player over than a dory. If you can find blankenship one-on-one, so in a must-have-it-down, must-have-it situation, the Eagles are really tipping themselves on what they're going to be defensively.

And so you can always try and cover up and erase floors when you feel you've got a sink hole at corner, but now it's open up a different kind of ones for them. Yeah, and it's set up, I think, by being in such favorable situations. I don't know what it ended up on, but I saw late in the first half, like their average third down distance and they were nine for 15 on third downs tonight was under three and a half yards. So they were just always in a good spot to either run it or give Caleb a favorable look.

It continued throughout throughout. What a fascinating season this is in the NFC North. So the Bears stay on top of the division. Everyone was saying, okay, the schedule's going to get hard. Well, got a little harder last week with the Steelers, took care of that. Got much harder this week in Philadelphia, took care of that. You got the Packers two of the next three weeks. That is really going to be fascinating.

And, yeah, the Eagles, they have to worry about the division, too. We'll get to the Cowboys in a minute. But let's talk Packers, Lions. Let's go to Detroit. Love steps up, points across the formation. Now drops back into the shotgun. Here's the snap and fourth down rushes on. Love looking off his back foot throws the left side.

Yes. Yes. A leaping catch at the 30-yard line number. First down, Green Bay. There is your dagger. A turkey day dagger right through the lions. Great call there. Love Wayne Larravee on WR and W.

I think that's John Goon in the background. Yelling, yeah. Man, what a fitting end to that game because it was a Jordan Love masterpiece. felt like that was on the short list of, like, great quarterback performances of the season. It's right there with the Giants game from Jordan Love a couple weeks ago. Obviously, a bigger situation, an even tougher opponent, but he had about four or five wow throws in this game on top of other great decisions throughout, and yes, they answered

every line scoring drive. I thought Jared Goff was up for the challenge, but ultimately the Packers win 31. to 24, great offense, beats good defense, and what did you see out of Jordan Love in this game? Yeah, I think you're probably being a bit harsh in him with four or five. I thought they're probably eight or nine while throws in that thing. I mean, it was just like big boy superstar, put the cape on drive after drive in a way that's, you know, he gets almost built as like this careless bomber, I think at times when he is just so unbelievably precise at all times. He was throwing guys open all the time the sidelines. The lines came in and said, we are not

letting Jordan love rip us apart over the middle of the field. That is our entire game. When we make it muddy and difficult in the middle of the field, we'll dare him to beat us to the perimeter. And he said, I'm good boys. I'm good with that. I'll just rip it all over the place. He bombs the ball down the field when he needs to. He's ripping it outside the numbers. Christian Watson over and over again. He puts it off the sideline where only his guy can get it with pressure in his face that those are top three, top four player in the league type throws on. Big time, big time drives. Yeah, the stats are really some. And we'll talk about the defense in this game.

When he is not pressured, he is the best quarterback in the league. The numbers would tell you. And certainly the eyes would tell you that on Thanksgiving. So you think about that throw, big time play. You had the Dantavian Wicks touchdown. That was a close call, whether he got his feet in or not. Ultimately, I think it was the right move. You had the fourth and sixth call where he throws the ball.

deep. And then you had the Christian Watson touchdown. Let's listen to one of Jordan Love's best throws of the day. Under center is Love, single back offence, Jacob thrown back. On second and 10, back to throw Love. Has time initially. Rainbows deep down the right side. And he's got. Yes. Watson, 10-stop. Green Bay Packers. Christian Watson blows the top off the lion's defense. B to Meek Robertson. 51 yard touchdown pass. That gave them a 10-point lead early third quarter.

And to me, Ali, it's the variety of the type of throws. And when he gets criticized, it's because sometimes he does too much big game hunting, I guess, but like big game hunting

is why they won this game. Yeah, I mean, probably the only floor is when something goes wrong, he wants to chase it back in one play. And that's a real problem. with kind of the offense they have this year. But they have kind of reformatted now and accepted.

Tuckercraft is not coming back. We're going to have to build this thing around Christian Watson. We probably will have to be a let's hunt seven explosive plays down the field. If we hit three of them, we feel pretty good about our chances. And I thought this was probably the best evidence of that this season. I did think, again, the Lions plan, if you could see it on the touchdown throw there. It's like everyone's congested in the middle of field.

They're kind of allowing him to take a deep shot outside. The numbers, I'm not sure my plan would be. Let's allow Jordan to put the game in his hands trying to hit a deep shot to Christian Watson. It feels like Love would take that every time. Yeah. And I did think the pressure was maybe the biggest difference between these two teams. So this is the part where we talk a little Micah Parsons. The Lions did not get a high pressure rate in this game whatsoever. They tried to send pressure. They didn't really get there. The Packers did not have to send extra guys on the Blitz nearly as often. And Michael Parsons finishes with 10 total pressures.

five quick pressures. And maybe it's unfair to just compare him to Aiden Hutchinson, but compared to Aidan Hutchinson, zero quick pressures, you know, five pressures on the game. And ultimately, they made life tougher on Jared Gough, who I thought played a good game. Thought it was one of his better games of the season overall. And it's not like Jordan Love was incredible when they did get on him.

He was three for 12 in this game against pressure. Most of his damage was done when the offensive line did his job. What did you see out of Halfley's, defense and how they got after Jared Goff. Yeah, Michael, it should be noted, was double team on 23% of his pass rush stamp. So he's putting those kind of numbers up plus the three run stuff that are like all-time run stuff where it's like helmet could pop off type stuff, superstar type plays. Halfly, I think what was really impressive was leveraging the threat of Michael Parsons.

I thought there was a degree of, can we call it, arrogance in Dan Campbell's approach to the game. There was an awful lot of leaving Mike a single dub. But in fairness to Dan Campbell, early in the game, Halfley was showing a lot, like, I will drop Microw. We're going to use micro in really creative ways, all these different creative pressures that Halfley is known for. And so it starts putting doubts in the Lions mind of whether he's truly coming or not, and whether it's worth investing a double team. And so you can see that payoff over the course game. When we get to the kind of the drive where he's just in the backfield every play,

then you get the kind of, I'd say, shaky call to extend the drive for the Lions, where he just took over the game for three plays and was like, I'm going to end this on Thanksgiving. that was all set up from the first two quarters where halfly proved that I will just leverage the threat of having the best player on the field by dropping him out and sending an overload pressure the other way and you get free runners at Jared Goff all through the first couple of quarters.

Yeah, like the first drive of the game, you know, like the first third down snap, Goff had two defenders in his face in half a second. There was nothing to be done there. One of them was Isaiah McDuffie, who by the way, has played great the last two weeks. Like, I don't know if you have an Isaiah McDuffey take, but Quay Walker's been injured.

I don't even know if we mentioned that in this podcast. But McDuffie's kind of been awesome these two weeks. Maybe it's the system, but he's been outstanding. He's being good. A Hall of Fame high five player arrives just in time to give everyone else a high five in the backfield. He's not quite athletic enough to be like a serious difference maker. But he's in the right spot to the right time. And that's kind of the best you can hope for, I think.

Yeah. I wasn't thinking like he's a crazy difference maker. But it does show I think how Micah is setting up everyone else. And you mentioned how he helps to close the game down. This is why you make the Michael Parsons trade. There's what, like a sack that he makes late in the game to set up a third and 15 essentially kills that drive and then kills the next drive too.

Because for a while, Goff is fighting back and making some highly difficult plays despite the fact that they lost Amman Rae St. Brown in the first drive of the game. He never returned. He has an ankle sprain. Rapsheet says he will not be placed on low i are it's a quote unquote low ankle sprain so we'll see but they're without laporta there

without amon rae saint brown we got the news before the game that fired me up that frank ragnow is going to return at some point like do you think long term because they are out of the playoff picture right now that they have enough let's say they don't have amon ra for a few games uh to get it done offensively without him i really don't i mean it was a shocking amount of Tom Kennedy, who has been with the team since, like, 2019, since he finished playing lacrosse, and he's just always on the practice squad. He gets on the active roster, like, what, 24 hours before the game, and he's getting seven targets in a game against Michael Parsons' defense at home.

That was pretty shocking. The Ragnon news, I'm so fired up to have Frank Ragnow back. I would pause slightly that it feels unfair to but expectations on him that he's going to walk off the sofa like Joe Flacco did a couple of years ago as a center in the league. When we've seen how Lyman look when they retire, they shed weight, really quickly to expect to just walk back in as a Hall of Fame caliber play who will kind of like erase and fix all the problems I think is a little unfair on right now. Yeah, and they were without Graham Glasgow in this game who had been taking over at center. So, you know, they've had

issues and maybe that helps to explain the drive at the end of the game, but it really reminded me of the drive late against the Eagles where the Lions took a while. And it almost felt like they waved the white flag in Philadelphia that night, just taking forever in a game that they were only down by a touchdown. And the same thing kind of happened in this game where they take a six-minute drive late and kind of just end the game on themselves and ends in a field goal, too, because Goff ends up taking a sack. That's, you know, one of the drives where Michael Parsons makes such an impact. It just feels like, man, these are these are not the lions that I love. These are not the lions that I had in the Super Bowl. I'm not feeling.

great about that right now. No, I think that's part of when you change the play call mid-season, you know, you might have some operational issues during the, Dan Campbell's trying to manage the entire game, and he's also calling the plays, and it just feels like there's a bit of friction there. I don't think he's done a great job. I think we all just love Dan Campbell and respect Dan Campbell, that's like, you just assume he's going to be good at this stuff. I think he's been pretty poor over this month that he's been calling plays. I mean, they had a 24% success rate on 25 early down runs, and I understand the logic that we lose them on raw, we've not got Laporte, the line is not playing very well.

Just get the ball in the hands of Jamaica Gibbs. But there are more creative ways to do it than just slam your head against a brick wall over and over again, where Evan Williams is having the absolute game of his life flying down from safety to pin everything you can in sight. And it just felt like an ideological game

where he's like, no, this is who we are. The fourth down calls, the run game, stuff is like, no, this is how we play Detroit Lions football. And it's like, you are losing the game quite handily. And your quarterback is playing absolutely lights out in a really tough situation where his interior line is terrible. Ratledge is the only one who's supposedly healthy and he's hurt and wincing throughout the game.

He's throwing to a lacrosse player. He's playing absolute money and you don't adjust the game plan at all. I mean, that's fair. By the way, that seam ball to Kennedy was a beautiful throw and catch. I mean, some of the passes to Jameson Williams was like in just the smallest window and catches them perfectly in stride.

I'm not saying Goff's game was perfect. And in fact, the time on fourth down where the Packers did a good job flushing Goff out and got him off his spot and he throws on the run but it's just a little bit behind Williams. Williams could have made that catch but it maybe just showed the difference

between Goff and some of the more mobile quarterbacks in the league. Like ultimately he did a good job and yeah, Dan Campbell's not going to change I think who he is. He talked after the game about the fourth down decisions. I didn't like one of those those fourth down calls. You know, it felt like, you know,

I don't know how good of an opportunity we really gave our guys on that first one, you know. But, you know, we had an opportunity, and even at the end of the day, we had an opportunity, and we couldn't, you know, we just couldn't get it done there later in the game. So I wouldn't say necessarily that that's going to have an effect on me, you know. You always want to convert them, and we've had a lot of conversions here. It just didn't work out today. Oh, man. I heard, I read those quotes.

I hadn't seen it. How is a dejected Dan Campbell hitting you on this Friday? Hits me in the gut. I will say I don't want to upset my friends in the day-to-dort community. I am all for it. You know, whatever the numbers say, I get it, and with it. There is a degree of understanding your own personnel, which is why I like that he took some account.

But the play he got them into based on what he's dealing with at the moment is probably not the smartest play to be in. And just when you know your interior is a disaster, your quarterback can't move off his spot. You do have to change ever so slightly on how you can actually get through and win these games. And when you know you've gotten a run game,

it's like maybe it's a time to go and take some points. Yeah, the Jameson Williams drop was the second fourth down that they failed. And I believe the first one was a Jemir Gibbs run up the middle, which I thought maybe got off switched to? Yeah, Dan Gabel was giving his squad. He bailed him out there because that was a full check. And it asked for Tim Kennedy, again,

the 5A lacrosse player, to move inside from a really, wide position to come and try and pin like he's prime Cooper Cup, a backside safety. So that was just never, ever going to work. And I think that's Dan Campbell throwing himself in the grenade for Goff, though. I love that you shouted out Evan Williams in what he did in the run defense in this game. Obviously, Parsons had some great run stuff. Your guy, Edge Cooper, also showed up on a few big plays. They stuffed the run 10 times. So that's at or behind the line of scrimmage. That's a huge number. I'm actually surprised the line's success rate was as high as it was, which is 31%,

which is still quite low, but they had so many negative runs. What do you think about this defense and kind of how they are rounding into form for the stretch run and their toughness? I still think that they're a bit loose on the back end, I would say, and I do worry about them against a really great quarterback who can move slightly. Obviously, anyone will be concerned about that, but I think you see if it's not immediate pressure, they can be a bit of if all their players play best top down. Evan Williams is a maniac attack in the line of scrimmage. And I adore him for that.

If he's just playing on the half field, having to kind of figure out what's going on, he gets lost all the time. I mean, he was lost like seven times in this game to offset the seven unbelievable plays in the run game. It's just, there's no time when that pass-rish is getting home. So if Parsons, if the other guys can rise to the level as they did in key spots on Thursday,

then obviously it offsets everything. Enigbari, everyone playing to a higher level. I think Louvin, Devonte Wyatt, is a huge, huge loss of them inside. They are falling down the pecking order now of those interior guys. They really need some kind of upfield rush when Parsons is getting double-teamed at this kind of clip. Of whilst it's our Super Bowl chances are in the hands of Enigbari.

I don't love those odds. Yeah, so after the game, Devante White, who was carted off, we didn't get a complete report from the insiders yet, but Matt LaFleur said, quote, it doesn't look good. in general when they say that it's usually some sort of break which would be really unfortunate for them one of their most important players

up front. I want to leave on a positive note though. I mean, Christian Watson his dad knew. His dad for people that don't know, we're on Twitter we're saying first of all they're not using him, right? He can do more than what he's doing. He's a complete receiver. He's a tougher guy. And then number two,

he's going to be back from this injury sooner than you think. The rehab is going better than anyone who's ever torn his ACL before and he's going to be more explosive before. And damned if he hasn't been right, Christian Watson looks like like a centerpiece of a passing attack, which I

did not expect. He really has changed this offense since he came back. Yeah, and so needed with Kraft going out. I mean, to just have the gravitational pull of someone, took a graph with such like a gravity player, where everyone would just kind of pinch around him and it would open up targets for everyone else. They needed someone who was another

three level threat. And Watson developing is like a middle of the field kind of sneaky Demon, I think, is really transform what they can be on offense. Yeah, Matthew Golden was out for this game. I do think if you told me we're in the playoffs and suddenly that's when Matthew Golden starts breaking out with like a couple big time plays. That would not shock me. I don't think he was lost earlier this year.

Maybe you tell me differently, but like they still could have another piece to play in this offense. It's exciting. For the people like you are holding the, I have the Packers winning the Super Bowl ticket. I feel like even though the Bears won on Friday, you've got to feel better maybe than you have all season long with the Packers at 8, 3, and 1 after this one. I feel good seeing Jordan Love,

who is the quarterback I enjoy watching the most round into this kind of form at this stage of the season is very, very exciting. So I mentioned they have two games against the Bears in a three-week span. It's actually 18 days because the last of those games is on a Thursday night. which is a banger of a game, but I hate that scheduling. Like two games in 18 days between these two teams is weird. And they both have some very challenging games down the stretch. So there's a lot of game to play.

And yet I feel like the Packers, if there was any doubt, like 8, 3, and 1 there in outstanding shape to not only possibly win the division, but certainly get a wild card at the very least. And now Chicago at 9 and 3, despite that tough schedule, looking very good, a couple games up on. the Detroit lines. All right, that's the NFC North. Let's take a break. And you know it's been a good couple of days

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Prescott looking that way now he runs up out of the pocket he sprints to the right he dumps the ball to Williams who steps in from the one touchdown Cowboys they drew it up in the dirt they drew it up in the dirt Prescott said I'll hear

I know I'll hear you here you do something and William did something that was Brad Sam on KRLD And that was the end of a beautiful drive by Doc Prescott to take the lead. A lead they would not relinquish. Cowboys win 31 to 28.

And I wanted to start there, Ollie, because I did feel like that drive, that moment where they are trailing in the fourth quarter was a fascinating moment in this game. And after that, we get a whole lot of George Pickens. We get a decent amount of cedey lamb. and we get Dak Prescott doing the stuff before the snap, after the snap, and occasionally like that with his legs improvising. To me, it was like the full DAC experience, and it was beautiful. Yeah, I was just rolling around the floor with glee. I said, Joe, I love is my favorite word,

but the watch, Dak is like my daily beloved, seeing him have that kind of performance against Spags on what may be the most watched game in history when the numbers come in. Very, very, very thrilling. Yeah. the closing of this game to me was so telling. So Chiefs take the lead, and we'll back it up because Mahomes played very well in this game.

There was so much to go to in this game. This is going to be a challenge for us, frankly, Ali. You said how many words did you write of notes this week? Oh, 3,000. 3,000. Okay, and how many was on this game? Because I do feel like I have just more on this game. There was like a lot going on in this game.

Probably 2,500 on this game. Right. So trying to boil it. down is tough, but I do think how they close the game offensively was fascinating, telling. You essentially have the George Pickens drive where, you know, he has the play where he gets the big hurdle on the third down, but he also draws past interference. He has a couple other catches, and it ends, I believe that's the drive. You also have an incredible two-point conversion play. Thought of going with that for the highlight right after that, where Dak puts it in a

tiny window to Pickens. Following drive, after they get the ball back, that's where you hit the 51-yarder to C.D. Lamb. You know, Spagnolo sends pressure with McDuffie, and you get a one-on-one, Chamari Connor against C.D. Lamb, beauty dime down the field. You get a field goal there to go up two scores. And then you finish the game by getting the ball back with 322 left.

And there were so many parts, and I'm combining them all together, just wanting to take the big picture here, Ali, where because the Chiefs took the lead and then the Chiefs got it to one score and there's 322 left, there were so many points where I thought, okay, this is where the Chiefs do get that stop. This is where the Chiefs get the ball back

and then win. But it just kept not happening and they closed it out by throwing the ball two times in a row on second down, which I think was so important. On one, they get a pass interference. That was to Pickens. on another, they complete the ball to lamb, he goes out of bounds, but whatever, they end up

finishing out the game and just never give the ball back. Kind of walk me through what you think of just Brian Schottenheimer and how DAC approached this fourth quarter in finishing out what was a great game plan. Yeah, I think Schottenheimer is so dialed in. I think that's probably just the best all-around offense in the league, just design-wise. I think it's almost streaks ahead of everyone else at the moment. And then where I feel like Shoddenheimer is just like taking himself to a whole different level. We thought about some of like the organizational arrogance of Dan Campbell, being able to step back and understand that we need probably three first downs to win a games and maybe end the chief season. It's players not plays in those moments. And we can find ways

to get CD Lam in the slot one-on-one. That's just what we want. Design is irrelevant. We're just going to go man-to-man, get our best player the ball. We'll have the pickings drive. You mentioned, and let's just find a way to get George Pickens isolated. We think he's the best athlete on the field. He was playing like the best athlete on the field. He's the smoothest athlete maybe in the league right now. And so that's just how we're going to go down swinging. We've done all the fun stuff, all the creativity, all the game plan stuff.

And when we've got to have it drive when it's come from behind territory, what is going to go to our two best players. That's how we're going to go down. Yeah, Cady Lamb finishes with seven for 112 and a touchdown. Pickens has six catches on 13 targets. When I looked at it in the end, I was like, oh, McDuffie got his share of wins. It was especially him in coverage, but ultimately there were a ton of penalties. And when you really go through all the numbers, and the Cowboys numbers are great.

I mean, they finish with 457 yards. They're over 50% on third down. Like, their numbers are great, but the Chiefs numbers are pretty great, too. And the biggest difference you can really see is the 110 yards of penalties that the Chiefs have 10 penalties for 119 yards. And it did put them in difficult situations on offense, and it did help sustain some of these cowboy drives, or it was just a desperation ploy, because their players aren't as good as the Cowboys. And I know Chiefs fans are mad at Andy Reid right now, and there could be some reason to be fair, but I also watch this game just thinking, like, the Cowboys' Offens is more

talented than the Chief's defense. Oh, yeah, they had Spacknolo in a blender at times, I felt like, where he just didn't know what to do, where he's got no pass rush. And yet another primetime game where George Carloftus is just MIA. Every single prime time game, every big game, every time you even to do something to help your season out. You hand him that ridiculous contract, he's butts up a donut every single time, completely irrelevant in a big game. And to be fair to the chiefs,

they kind of sold out to try and force the cowboys into third and medium, third and long. And then DAC was just money on third and fourth downs. They had a 62% success rate on third and fourth downs. That's just a ridiculous number to have it the best of times. It's even crazy to have when that is like the money spags down. That's when he does all the cool spagsy stuff, and the cab was just a step ahead the entire evening.

So I think the game we just talked about Packers, Lions, and this one had some similarities. I meant to mention it with the Packers' Lions. Like the Lions' blitz rate was more than double the Packers, and the pressure rate was around the same. It was actually better for the Packers. It was kind of a similar dynamic here. It wasn't quite as severe,

but ultimately the Chiefs blitzed almost half the time, and yet they only had a pressure rate of 30%, which was lower than the Cowboys. That's an amazing stat because it's also a Cowboys pass rush stat, which is awesome. Like they had a totally respectable good pass rush overall without having a blitz like crazy. But Spagnolo hits that blitz early in the game. It's the first third down and they heat up Doc Prescott and he throws an interception and you're thinking, oh man, this might be a long day.

And it was almost like that success early got Spaggs too cocky or something because he just kept sending stuff the rest of the game. And after that, like, Dak seemed to really have an answer for what they were doing. Yeah, it's interesting. Spax has got Dak a bunch when they've played in their career. Like, he has had him. And he really does come after him in a way that no one ever goes after Doc Prescott that way. He is a Blitz killer. He's so intelligent, so smart. He can identify everything so quickly. And he's old school Brady-esque replace the Blitz quarterback. Wherever the blitz comes from, you just throw the ball behind the guy's head, you move on with the game. And so Spaggs tried to get him with more zone pressure stuff, what you call a hot pressure, which

is where the blitz guy goes from. We dropped someone from the defensive line into where the blitz guy came from. So if he replaces the blitz, so Chris Jones or someone is stood there, that's how they tried to get him with that first third down. They get the free runner through Chris Jones drops into that spot. Dag looks the other side of the field, thinks it's a blitz when it's Spaggs, usually it's a man blitz. It's a zone blitz instead, throws it into a cover two hole and gets picked off.

They start trying to toggle back and forth between all out man pressure, which is kind of vintage Spaggs are more of these zone pressures. And I got to say, to me, it's all credit to the offensive line more than Dak. It's not a DAC stat. If you look at four of them, which are really cool designs from Spack. No, difficult to pick up stuff. Dak is not even looking at the side of the field where the pressure is coming from. And the Cowboys guys just clean all that stuff up. How well they've become tied together when they've got a new left tackle. Booker is playing completely out of his mind the last few weeks as a rookie. It was a really, really impressive Cowboys' O-Line performance when Spags tried to get really creative. I'm glad he pointed

of that out, because that was something we talked about throughout the off season, this young offensive line, how do they come together for the Cowboys? Because there was a ceiling there, a lot of high draft picks. And I know Tyler Guyton, their left tackle is out right now. Nate Thomas filled in for him. And he did give up the most pressure of anyone in the offensive line, but it still was under control. Like, he did not stand out. The rest of the group, Booker, Terence Steel on the right side, and then you have Cooper Beebebe and Tyler Smith. Like, they've played a lot of games together in a row, and they're playing well. And to your Karlaftus, vicious takedown earlier, 31 pass rushes in this game, one pressure,

and it wasn't quick. So, fair. It's fair. I was worried because you put NFL Daily, Ali, in your profile now on social media, which I love seeing, feel proud. But I was worried, you know, now that that's there, are we going to get, like, a softer version of Ali, and George Kalafis knows that. Let's listen to C.D. Lamb, after the game, I loved just hearing the Cowboys and seeing the Cowboys loving this moment.

What's the message to the whole thing as far as your resilience and able to mouse back and what you can actually do on the same? Keep talking. I see y'all. That's my message. I see it. I just love like the cockiness too and how they were, you know, they get the turkey leg afterwards and they're sharing the turkey leg. like two guys bite in the same one, which was a little... It's good for team chemistry. I don't think that Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown

is sharing turkey likes. Yeah, not great. Okay, let's talk a little bit about the Chiefs offense because it was a great Mahomes game. Would you go that far and say great? Maybe like a very good

Patrick Mahomes game. Like Jared Goff in the losing effort, I do think he was very much up for the challenge and we don't have to do the QB wins loss thing because I can think of four or five outstanding plays by Mahomes and maybe he didn't hit every improv play but he hit a lot of them and I think did enough to win this game. Yeah and he's doing it with all those miscue's you mentioned

on offense to all the penalties backing them up they're down three linemen right midway through the game there's no Smith Simmons goes out with an injury that looks like that's going to send him to IR the right tackle Juan Taylor goes out too so doing it under a ton of fire um I got to say I'm worried about Andy Reid and I don't want to blaspheme against the football gods but it is just so strange to watch an Andy Reid team become one of the most predictable offences in the NFL have some of the most almost laughable tendencies at this point

where the good coaches just know everything they're trying to do and so much of the game every week just feels like Mahomes running for his life and if it's not magic nothing is going to happen we get the play where he almost falls over twice and he throws back down the field and that just feels like a microcosm for the season where it just feels such hard work for them all the time. Yeah, think about how this game could have been a blowout

the other way, not a blowout, but a comfortable win for the Cowboys. They hit the fourth down to take the lead to Rishie Rice, which is a miracle play by Mahomes and a great catch by Rishie Rice, who did have a pretty big drop on third down at another point in the game that killed the drive, but for the most part,

has come to play the last couple weeks and made big plays. You hit the first touchdown on a fourth down to Travis Kelsey. That was not an easy play at all. That's 14 points right there. You mentioned the play where he is absolutely stumbling

before hitting Xavier Worthy or they're facing a fourth and long and the game is essentially over. And the touchdown to Marquise Brown. I mean, that's just like a talented play. Patrick Mahomes is awesome. But these were not easy plays by Mahomes and it is striking that there's like hasn't been a lot of

easy buttons. There is something to me that I don't know if this team is tired or Andy Reid's tired. I mean, the man is 67 years old. They've played a lot of football games and the weight of being the Kansas City Chiefs. It's not like it went away from losing that Super Bowl. I think it's still there and there does seem to be some sort of fatigue factor maybe mentally as well as physically with this team. There's certainly a lack of ideas. There is still a stunning amount of Kareem Hunt. So much is still built around Travis Kelsey, who I think is moving way better than he did do last year. But I just don't know if that's what you want to, you know, center the offense around at this point. I just go back to a couple of weeks ago, they play Denver. There's two plays where

they motion and Vance Joseph is basically running onto the field to point out to his corner, a corner route is coming. It comes twice when he runs out on the field to do that. They face the cults when they get into a certain formation with a certain motion, it's the exact same target point of the run game, a same side run action, six for six times in that game. They get to the same look against the Cowboys on their third drive. They have the two really good drives and they have nothing for successful drives. And the Cowboys linebackers, hardly, you know, Hall of Fame Group, are almost laughing getting to the line of scrimmage? Are you kidding me? Are they going to do this again? And there's no payoff play built into these actions. We're going to run the

ball with the same action at the same point over and over again and nothing pays off. That's just not Andy Reid. He's usually falling over with all these different ideas. He used to have Mike Kafka on Steph digging through like Chinese and Japanese and Lithuanian film to go and find cool plays that they would hit over the head

of the Las Vegas Raiders and now it just feels so fatigued. And you mentioned the Josh Simmons injury. It's a dislocated wrist. We don't know when he'll be back but he's going to be out indefinitely and that's a huge loss for them. I mean, they do have a well-paid,

good backup in left tackle. but that that's a big loss for them and yeah you mentioned the the four successive punts that they had three of those ended in Dallas territory so in one hand like the cat the chiefs were in this game because they kept hitting fourth downs on the other hand they punted from plus territory uh from like a fourth and four i believe it was and that ended up setting up that George Pickens' drive, it's, like, there is still a level of conservatism from Andy Reed that that I find frustrating. Yeah, I believe the surrender index, but that in the 90th, 98th percentile of cowardness from Andy Reed, and the Cowboys got the yardage back in four place. So it was a very

worthwhile. And Patrick Mahomes is your quarterback. You would feel if ever there was a time to be ultragressors, though we're now stacking up that they have two of their key offensive pieces are old, then they're more predictable than they've ever been. And then he's being, more conservative than he has before. So I think that, and around all that, they actually play really well offensively. All the advanced stats still love them. They're better this season than they were last season.

But the margin for error is so thin because of injuries, because the defense has really regressed. Them being league average is a testament to Spags, given what's happening on the back end and the lack of a true pass rush. Their only way to impact the quarterback is pray and hope that a five-man zone pressure forces a turnover. It's not even going to get home. It's just, well, the quarterback panic with a flash of color

and throw the ball towards or Chris Jones goes ham for four snaps a game. Yeah, and if you want to go down to just the basic stats, but I do think they're telling sometimes, nine quarterback hits for the Cowboys, three sacks, a couple of them, just when Mahomes is just holding it, trying to make a play. And then on the other side,

the Chiefs do not sack Dak Prescott. They do get six quarterback hits in the game, but couldn't get him down. Let's listen to Patrick Mahomes after the game, now six and six. Just missed opportunities. I mean, just like all the losses we've had this year. We can beat anybody, but, I mean,

we've shown that we can lose to anybody. And so we've got to be more consistent. He was kind of, like, dejected, I would say. Like, again, when they played the Broncos and lost that game, like, that was a humbling game. This one, when I watched them, I'm not saying it was like acceptance, but it was just like, yeah, this is where we are.

Like, we're successful. and six. I don't think their season is over. Certainly, if any team could run the table, it could be them. And they could even maybe afford a seventh loss. But we have reached that point now with these teams that were Super Bowl favorites coming in, like the Lions, like the Chiefs, where it's legit. They might not make the playoffs. Yeah. We credit the Mahomes for that answer, I guess. But he was majorly responsible for losing the Broncos game. So he played really well in this game, but it's kind of like he gives one back to the defense for having, I think, cost them the Broncos game.

It just makes it now that a Texans and Chargers doubleheader, which is certainly winnable, but becomes must win. And with the injuries on the offensive line going against the most ferocious passers in the NFL, it becomes once again, Patrick, but the cape on, we're out of ideas. You've got to go figure this out on your own. Yeah, I, um, you know, Chiefs fans have had a lot of fun over the years. I do like how it sets up this stretch run between these two teams. So yes, now the Cowboys are only a game and a half back of the Eagles.

There's a path certainly for the Cowboys to make it as a wild card. If they only lost one more game and they have the Lions next Thursday night, finally, Chucky and I get like a real banger of a Thursday night game, such a big game for both teams. Even if they lost that Lions game, you look at their last four, they're probably favored in all of them. They could possibly even lose the Lions game, win out, get a wild card. But one and a half back of the Eagles, they have a chance to maybe win the division.

The Eagles, though, do have the commanders twice and the Raiders in there. And so the margin is, it's going to be tough to try to pass the Eagles. On the other hand, the Chiefs, like, they're rooting for everyone in the AFC to keep losing, which is why when they were watching Baltimore and Cincinnati, if they were watching or checking their phones later that night, they were loving the result. Let's go to Cincinnati. Bro and the shotgun P-Rine 2 is right. Shotgun snap.

Joe, under pressure, flings it down the middle of the field. Yosey Vosch leaps at the three and takes it into the end zone. A 28-yard touchdown to Andre Yosevosh. And the Bengals lead is back to 11 with the P.A.T. coming up. I love that throw. And I love the satisfaction that Joe Burrow had after the game talking about that throw, like everything that he had done to get back was to be in position to set up his guy Yoshi. The Bengals upset the Ravens 32 to 14. That was Dan Horde and Dave Lapham on WCKY. It felt like

Burrow needed the first half just to warm up a little. I mean, he still was good, but he missed a few throws. They settled for a lot of field goals and they had a lead at halftime. But in terms of ball location and decision making. The second half of that game, to me, Ollie, was like Joe Burrow had never left. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, that throw is so absurd. And I feel for Rokwon Smith, you can see in his eyes. That is an incredible play from Rokwon Smith.

He goes from a mugged up spot to kind of matching the route virtually all the way down the field and he looks over like, are you kidding me that Joe Borough has returned? Only like four guys could make that throw on time. Absurply, yeah, I thought he took some time to get warmed up and they just tried to defeat to Jemar Chase going into the second half. and obviously that's where the wink-wing connection between those guys come in and you can get more explosive down the field.

I mean, this was a game going to the third quarter given how many turnovers the Ravens had in their own half. The Bengals really struggled to convert in the red zone. I thought that was where you really saw kind of like a Christmas and fluidity show up for Borough where it's like, has to be done instantaneously at the snap and you're going from practice speed

to game speed and then he'd really sped things up in the second half. Yeah, and look, their running game has been better lately. I thought their offensive line had a good game maybe pointed out the Ravens' lack of a pass rush. And then there were a number of throws to chase that were just huge. A third and seven helped set up a touchdown. Just one of those outs, perfect timing that just Joe Burrow makes look easy.

He had a bomb to chase in this game that he put everything into and it worked out. And that set up points. I believe that was a field goal drive. And it's kind of like you're getting all the good stuff from Joe Flacco, but without like the crippling interception, so that's a big upgrade. But I guess the biggest difference is the Cincinnati Bengals are forcing five turnovers against the Ravens. Like, how much of it do you think is the Bengals' defense and how much of it was Lamar

Jackson and this Ravens' offense just having a brutal performance? I thought a mix of both, which I know is a cop-out, but the Bengals' pass-fresh looked significantly improved, I think, in Barber because we're just underrating how poor the Ravens' offensive line is. Lamar, I just thought, I don't know what was happening during that game. Maybe he had two big Thanksgiving dinner or something. It was just not feeling it. I mean, the fumbles where the balls were just coming out.

Every single fumble was avoidable not only from the fact the ball slips out of his hands or he makes a poor decision, but there were wide open throws all over the field that he just turned down, which then meant the play was extended, which then caused the fumbles. He was just so out of rhythm. And throughout this run where they'd been winning the games, their officers looked so disjointed and disheveled. I felt throughout the run there is just no rhythm. them and they've kind of got away with it through turnover look that they have not turned the ball over during that run they turn the ball over on Thursday more than they have done at any point

during the winning streak. Yeah, it was both a cursed game and like a terrible game. You know, you had the Zay Flowers, offensive pass interference, kind of a shaky call. That would have been seven points just taken off the board. You had Isaiah likely on a catch and run going in for a long score and DJ Turner knocks it out right at the goal line and the Bengals get the ball back on a touchdown. That's 14 points. Then again, it's also three points with Lamar just dropping the ball for Cincinnati to kick a field goal before the end of the first half. And maybe the biggest play or certainly one of the biggest plays the entire game to me because it set the tone was him fumbling the ball kind of running into pressure early in the first quarter on.

on his own goal line and setting up the Bengals. It only ends up being three points, but there was just something about it that it set a spooky mood that they never really got out of. I mean, that crowd was dead, Ollie. Not only did they leave with seven minutes to go, they were silent in the whole game.

I think they think this Ravens team doesn't have it. And based on the eye test, like, I think they're right. No, the home crowd always knows and everyone's talking about putting this run together, and it's really just a knock on the Steelers kind of stinking. I mean, that's not accepting that the Steelers kind of sting. They know they've not got the juice, you know?

This was just to me the most bizarre Lamar game because he looked healthy finally, despite being on the injury report constantly. He was moving pretty well. When he had to take off with his legs, he looked more spry than he has done throughout the windstreet. But just from the pocket, some of the decisions were pretty poor. He had no touch or actually down the field,

missed some wide open throws, a bunch of turn downs against the flakest defense you could hope to find that isn't in Vegas. and just choosing not to let the ball go was really quite a bizarre performance. And the weird thing is he had a number of great throws. So I know the weather was not good, but I don't think it was like a crazy windy night,

but it was cold there. Didn't seem to hurt burrow too much. And Lamar also had like a number of good throws. If you just isolated the good throws, you were like, okay, he's fine. The throw to likely, you mention where he gets Jordan Battle punches the ball out on the goal line is an unbelievable throw.

He has another one to lightly move into his leg. somehow does that weird Lamar thing, where he just goes into slow motion, everyone else is moving at double speed, and he's able to throw the ball back for a dime into the middle of the field. So it was just a real rollercoaster ride with him, and it's being like that for the offense as a whole, but a lot of it, I think, has been attributed to he's just not moved that well, even within the pocket. He just seems really sludgy, and yet it looked like he had the legs all the way back last night, both in terms of kind of explosive twitchy movements within the pocket, then being able to break out, and then the accuracy just vanished on him. Yeah, he had to

pick up a few first downs with his legs, but yeah, there were just throws he had that he missed. There was a play action shot to Andrews was open, just missed it. He had a third and nine, I believe, to Zay Flowers, killed the drive, just missed it. Like a Rashad Bateman seam ball, which was a tough throw to make, but he missed it by a tonny, like one hop, Keaton Mitchell at one point, and he just hasn't been on the same page. And sometimes he needs, you know, Dantes Walker to make a play for him the last couple weeks. And Tess Walker just refuses to make that play. Let's actually listen to the interception that Lamar Jackson threw late in the game.

Because for all of these turnovers, the Bengals were kick and field goals early. And even though they played better late, the Ravens were still in this game. And they did put together a couple touchdown drives, including some big Derek Henry plays. Keaton Mitchell also had a touchdown to close the gap in the third quarter. So it wasn't really over until this Lamar. interception. Huge play here. Third and nine at the Cincinnati 15. The Bengals showing pressure. They've got seven guys up on the line. Lamar drops back. Lamar throws down field into the end zone. Piped. And intercepted. Demetrius Knight running it back. He's at the 30, 35, 40. Spin move there and

tackled around the 45 yard line. A tip at the line results in a pick for Demetrius Knight. And the Bengals get their fourth takeaway. And yeah, that was more of bad luck for, Lamar, maybe not being as aware or moving in the pocket as you would like, but it was a night where Joseph Assai and Miles Murphy were making some plays in the back field. That's, it's

all Bengals fans have wanted. It's just some signs of life out of their pass rush. I know Sai had a, at a monster game, two sacks, two quarterback hits four hurries. And I thought Murphy was back there too. It didn't quite show up on the stat sheet, but I just thought he was active giving them something where I don't know, this division's

pretty rough, Ollie. Like, do you have any faith maybe that this defense can turn it around a little bit? No. I think there are just disaster spots everywhere. They're so funny because it's a disaster zone in every single position. Then DJ Turner is just an all pro player. It's just DJ does his own thing. Everyone else is a complete mess.

A side did play well. I thought Murphy was really active. I'm surprised he didn't show up more in the statute. Like five hurries, but yeah. And I think it had some run stuff and everything. But like I was surprised he didn't hit the bar. But you're right. It did show up a little bit too.

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I don't want to just move past the borough stuff because late in this game it didn't make me thinking. I know they're four and eight, and I listen to Paul Dainer's podcast. It's called The Growler. He has one of the best post-game podcasts. It's tight, which maybe we should learn from, Molly. I don't know. One of the reasons I like, it's like always just, it's just 30 minutes. It gives me that Bengals post-game heat, and he always has great perspective. And after last week, they were just talking, okay, the season's over. The season's over. And then after this one, it's like, I don't know, the Ravens are pretty bad. They get to

play them again in a couple weeks. I don't trust the Bengals. to rip off a ton of wins, including playing in Buffalo next week. That's the problem. But you could see a scenario where the Steelers and the Ravens lose enough that could eight wins be enough to make the playoffs in this division? Could nine wins be enough? If Joe Burrow keeps playing like this, he's got a chance. Let's actually listen to his first touchdown back from injury.

Now P. Ryan moves back a few steps and lines up to Burroughs left. Joe is ready. Catches the shotgun snap. Begin scrambling right. Burrow throwing down. field for Hudson. He's got it. Touchdown. Bengals. What an adjustment to the ball by Hudson. And he knocks over the back right pylon for a 14-yard touchdown. Joe Burroughs first since

returning from the toe injury. When you can pick on the Tanner Hudson versus Kyle Hamilton in great coverage matchup and actually get a completion, like you're cooking with gas. That was an incredible play. Unbelievable play. I want to say too, I think that their offensive line, line who takes a ton of flag, understandably, has actually been pretty good now for a couple of months, again, grading on the Bengals curve with trying to figure out how could they put some kind of run together. I think it's going to go through how the offensive line can hold up. I thought they really handled all the different looks and pressures and fake outs the Bengals tried to send their way. And if you just give Borough even a split second of extra time and

he's used to having, that's when you can do stuff like dice people ball, move slightly and be able to have enough time to get the throw off. And they've been mashing. people with the run. I mean, they're third and success right since week six. And so you go in that Bill's game next week. That is a perfect profile to have like a 50 burger, 50 burger off between these two teams. Man, I hate to give, you know, Zach Taylor too much credit. First of all, this is setting up. Not that I thought Zach Taylor or there was going to be some regime change necessarily anyways, but this is absolutely setting up for them to play well down the stretch and Mike Brown just to run everything back. That's a big picture look. But to give it. I don't know. I think

the birdies are tweeting that Joe Brady and Joe Burrow might want to have a little rendezvous back in Cincinnati. I think that's very much still on the table. The thing with Taylor that's funny is everyone always says what does he do, and that's totally fair question. I got no idea what this guy does Monday to Friday. What he does do every time Burrow goes

down is completely over all the offense, but it's delayed by like three weeks. He like runs on a lag he can't accept. He just mourns that the borough is out, even though he's used to it at this point. So they overall, that stuff usually works pretty well. Then Joe comes back and Joe's like runs it for a half and is like I'm good with all that crap let's get to throw all that stuff out let's go back to the Joe borough offense I would like them to keep as much of the run game elements that have

really been singing over the past month keep it in there with borough um although I think that Taylor's a bit of a push over and uh borough will get to do his thing well that's the thing yeah burrow just feels like he's running this organization and you know why not I trust him over uh probably anyone else in the building I guess uh that's talk about singing I like those Ollie Birds singing. And I was going to give Taylor credit, too, because I almost feel like with these tight ends, it's Drew Sample, it's Noah Fant,

it's Tanner Hudson, who by the way, the very play before made an incredible play as a cornerback to, I think, get the ball away. It was the same match from Kyle Hamilton on what could have been an interception. So shout out to Tanner Hudson. And Gassicki, like,

they're almost Rams light a little bit with these, like, four tight ends that's like not huge production, but they just seem like they're effective in adding layers to the offense and the offense has been pretty good, more than pretty good. And Borough will cast them aside within two weeks when he gets back to playing how he wants to play.

It's fair. Okay. We've done it. I don't know if we got through all of your notes. We have to give one last note. The best announcer of two beautiful, glorious football days was Jason Garrett. What a comeback for Jason Garrett. What a comeback.

And I know people are thinking, wait, I hope. heard him on Notre Dame at NBC, where it sounded like he was throwing up on himself, was panicked the entire time. Last year, pretty good on Thanksgiving. This year, absolutely elite. Now, this is coming from a guy who loves Troy Aikman. I know Troy Aikman is divisive. I think Aikman is by far the best in the business.

I thought Garrett was exceptional in having the innate ability to understand every single thing that happened on a play in real time. It is so impossibly tough to do that. We've been at games and call games. It is so hard to be able to see both the coverage and the rush and the protection and the route concept. Somehow he can internalize it instantly and points the felt that is proven when they go back to replay, oh, he's exactly right on how the play unfolded. I mean, to defend us on TalkSport, you know, they got the like replay monitors right away. They got the spotters and

everything. So, you know, step up, well, Gavin. Let's, let's up the budget here. And we could be giving you that level analysis. I love that. I don't know if I'll go back to check that out. The Ravens Bengals game was the one I did not watch live until the fourth quarter. And even then, my family, you know, we had them all over last night. We sat down for dinner right about as that game started. And so I watched that back this morning. But that's great to hear. I did think he was good.

Some guys are better doing the game by far, even though it's a harder job on some level than the studio, which I get. The studio is sterile and the job kind of sucks. You're just saying 15 seconds, like, if you're good in studio, it's like a, it's hard to do that. And Jason Garrett, you're right. Like, he never says anything in the studio, but I know for a fact some hires up at NBC listen to this show. So maybe. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Take the charismaless man out of the arena that asks him to have charisma and let the ball coach call ballplay in real time. That seems pretty sensible to me. I do think that makes sense. Although Chris Collinsworth, I do think is great at seeing the whole picture in the moment. Not quite on a glistland. Aikman is so streaks ahead of everyone else, it's no fear. He's a quarterback, unfair advantage. Okay, I don't know if we got to all 4,000 pages of your notes,

and we're fired up. I'm going to listen to one last thing about Joe Burrow, by the way. I wanted to hear him post-game. He was about as close to emotional as I would say Joe Burrow ever again. Certainly hasn't been easy on me through six years. from a lot of different angles but I've worked really hard to put myself in position

to be back out there and a lot of people around me have done the same there's no better feeling than that you know putting in work for for a long time and going out and and it paying off

it's there's just there's just no feeling like going out in front of the world with a group of guys that work really hard to go try to win games

and going out and putting on a good performance and winning that game. He was reflective and like it was a lot he mentioned the last six years have been tough with the injuries for a competitor like that to have to miss so many time

so much time like this season has not been the same without him for all of us but I'm sure has been absolutely brutal for him so it was a cool moment I don't know how you can't love a guy with that flow and that coat just getting emotional, throwing darts

to Tana Hudson on Guy Lamanton. Football's the best. Yeah, Eric lets us know your reaction to the coat off camera because we were showing it was just fantastic. It is amazing for that big of a badass to be wearing that badass of a coat. I mean, he's our Joe Namath.

He just has to stay healthy. Like when he hit that first touchdown, no, it was actually the Yosevas touchdown. And I think if you're watching us on YouTube, We love you. Subscribe, like. We'll be back on Sunday night.

You can actually see his reaction after hitting that touchdown of him just slamming himself in the chest and in the head saying, you're going to send a six-man pressure on me. I'm going to make you pay. And he said after the game

how they've been repping that exact play over and over all season, even when he was not in the lineup. Everyone check out the read optional, Ali. I saw you got a Black Friday special. So this is the time to do it.

$50. Come on now. Come on now. That's $50 for a year, have to read optional? Amazing. Yeah, that's the whole year. And that's Ali's great writing.

And so he'll be using about maybe 3,500 of those 4,000 words of notes in terms of his writing. And then you can also check out his great podcast with John Ledyard if you subscribe there too. If you subscribe to this podcast feed, you will hear us again on Sunday night. So normally, Ollie and I are going to be doing. doing Saturdays moving forward, but it was a pleasure, Ali, to have you recapping, I think the biggest two days of the NFL season so far. So hopefully Sunday can top it, a lot of pressure. I'll be back in the studio with Jordan Roderick and Patrick Claibon.

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