NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Thanksgiving Edition: Case Keenum is the real deal & Turkey Day shenanigans

Episode Date: November 24, 2017

A room filled with some heroes- Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler & Gregg Rosenthal take a break from their Thanksgiving festivities to recap the day of games, starting with the Vikings-Lions matchup, where they declare Case Keenum the real deal (3:00); A big victory for the Chargers, who Marc is no longer embarrassed about picking as his AFC Super Bowl team (12:45); Dan butchers the Lock-Off with his Cowboys pick, while Connie Fox prevails (15:30); How exactly did the Cowboys suddenly get so bad so quickly? (17:00); Gregg has a Thanksgiving Day Tradition to propose to the NFL, involving Philip Rivers (20:30); Can the Redskins still make a run down the stretch? (24:00); What did Marc, the 'fooditarian,' eat for Thanksgiving dinner? (34:00); and more!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanksgiving night in Culver City. It doesn't get any more wild. Lindsay Fulton behind the glass, smash her behind the glass. What a party. uh yes we have three games to talk about we haven't done this before mark have we you have to explain who smasher is he's a special individual who we treasure yeah smasher is my buddy my wife's uh friends boyfriend that i know i don't want to really get into details but he's not smasher and he's a he's a good dude who does he hang with just give us vaguely who he hangs with

i shouldn't say okay it's one of those he hangs with a major rock contingent it's it's one of Yeah, you people piece it together. I feel much better because literally until you just explained that, I thought Smasher was a guy who works, you know, some tech behind the glass that I wasn't familiar with from before. No, I mean, for people from across the sea, we're in Los Angeles, we hang with people of importance. Smasher is one of them.

Greg, that does show a growing disconnect with people behind the glass that you thought that he might have been someone that's been working. It would have been someone who just had popped in a couple times, you know, happens to be here the night helping out full time. I don't know. Smashers, my friend. Leave you alone.

All right. Here we go. This is the Thanksgiving show. There's already a weird energy about it. Well, because I think, listen, it's Thanksgiving. It's night night. Mark's got a weird energy. No, no.

Like, my family life is on the rocks at the moment. Let's just get down to covering the three football games that grace our human presence. All right. There were three games to play, and that's how we're going to break it down. We're going to go through each of the games. Minnesota, Detroit, L.A. Dallas, and then, of course, giant

Zemin Redskins, and then you'll hear us again on Sunday. We'll break down the rest of the week 12, but this is how we're going to start. Let's just go through it. Greg, there's no reason to, like, pussyfoot here, right? No, I think just going to the first game is a normal way to approach things. Lindsay, should we just go to the first game? Let's do it. Yeah, there's no reason to pussyfoot.

Let's go to the first game. Keenham shotgun snap comes chest high pressure coming Keenum hit as he throws towards the end zone Rudolph with the catch touchdown case Keenum took a shot but floated it into the outstretched arms of his tight end Kyle Rudolph 22 yard touchdown and the Vikings lead it 19 to 3 oh my goodness case keenam is for real he threw two touchdowns ran for another and the minnesota Vikings built up a double-digit lead then coasted to a 30 well coasted is strong coasted is strong very strong yeah they were moments there were definitely moments they jumped to a big lead and held on I'm going to say held on

I'm going to move posted to held on to 30 to 23 win over the lions Greg Rosenthal game that all but ices the NFC north and once again a big road win and a big spot the Vikings are for real they are they are one of the best teams in the league and Case Keenham, I believe, played two of his best three games of the entire season the last two weeks. The moment that the Teddy Bridgewater activation happens, the moment the schedule turns more important with a big NFC matchup last week against the Rams. With a big division matchup this week on a short week, Case Keenum played better, his pocket movement being able to get away from pressure for this game, not saying for the rest of the season, but for this game, Keenham, not Matthew Stafford, made more plays after pressure was on him. Consistently, Stafford was the guy who had a couple misses, had a couple of hits,

and Keenham was a big part of the reason they won. Couldn't agree more. I mean, Stafford dealt with deficits of 13 to nothing, 20 to 3, 27 to 10, and still in Lions fashion, brought this team to the brink of a near victory because it's all on Matthew Stafford, if you're the Detroit Lions. It's, there's zero run game, and you can't count on a faceless defense to do much for you. No. But it was not enough.

Detroit, this time around, like, here's the thing with Case Keenum. You can say he's not spectacular. He's not Aaron Rogers. He's not going to do what Tom Brady does. He's not going to be to Sean Watson, but he does not turn the ball over. He's safe with the ball. This season, this season in particular, he has been extremely good in terms of seeing the field, seen as receivers. Adam Thielan again did Adam Thielan things.

Stefan Diggs did what he needed to do. They got enough from the running game coming right out of the half. They charged down the field with a, they used the run entirely. The four play drive. That one four play drive, which I think put this game out of hand. And Detroit hung around to some degree. The way that the Lions do in a way, if you're trying to cover the game, it's dramatic enough to keep you hanging on.

But the Vikings, they were too much to deal with. I think Case, and I think Wes brought it up last week, which I totally agree with that Keenham is Ryan Fitzpatrick in 2015 but it's to a greater level because that Fitzpatrick jet season was special but there were ebbs and flows to that season Keenham has been a very strong quarterback

start to finish and if if Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker made that engine go for the jet set season you have feeling and digs here and Keenom just deserves all the credit in the world for what he's been able to do And then the other side, here's the thing. Yeah, Stafford almost brought the Lions back.

But also, when you're against actual teams, real contenders, you can't go to sleep for two quarters, two and a half quarters. You have to score. You have to be on top. You have to be aggressive. And when you try to pull that comeback stuff against the real team, it just doesn't work. But they did have the ball down four in the fourth quarter with a chance to go do it. Couldn't get it done.

No. They ran out of gas, especially. They stopped on that drive. I can think of a couple different drives, but one of the drives ended partially because Xavier Rhodes made a really good open field tackle on second down, and they didn't pick up the third down. That's also how a drive in the first half ended,

where they throw a six-yard pass on third and seven, and Rhodes gets them to the ground. And that's one of the things that I think is under the radar with this Viking team. Yeah, Keenham's great, and the skill players are great. This defense has been together so long. They do the little things like tackling, and the Lions miss tackles all over the place in this game and you kind of look at the difference between the two on a week-to-week basis

and that's one of them. I mean, it's just they couldn't keep drives going and a chance. They did have a chance. I mean, Stafford said it like at the end of the game. Yeah, I know we'd like to start fast, but every quarter matters. In the end, we had the ball with the chance to go win. I also thought, and, you know, listen, we don't get on the refs too much on this podcast, but I thought that the zebras in this game, this was one of the worst officiated games

that I've seen if you're a Vikings fan you have a reason to be upset. Case Keenham called for taunting after he was stacked. That was a bad call. And he was sitting on the ground, just kneeling the way that Tom Brady was in the Super Bowl against the Giants, just legs extend on the ground, casually flips the

ball and called for taunting. This plays after the lions were not called for a pass interference call that would have put this game completely out of hand had they should have been rightfully the Vikings would have gotten a field goal or a touch That one I didn't have as big a problem

If only because there was a really bad throw by Keenham And a lot of times I think the Lions Like I think the Vikings were flagged somewhat Like 15 times in this game Like there was something very odd going on With the calls in this game And now the Lions dropped to 6 and 5

2 and 4 at home by the way Hmm You gotta defend They're just short on too many areas How about Everson Griffin by the way Having his son was born Hours before this game started Has two sacks

And he lifted his Not the own his jersey and said, I don't even know what my son's name is. He didn't even... Can you help me name it? Yeah, he was asking for names. So, you know, not the only father, you know, having to give up some fatherly responsibilities to go work in football.

Yes, well, I don't know if his... I don't know if he is going to face the ramifications that I will. You're getting some heat at home. Get a little heat like this has been... That sound drop could not be more relevant than it is now. What I was trying to say, Greg, is that... Sorry. Two and four at home.

you got to defend the Lions den is there such a thing I don't know is anyone even claiming there's such a thing they're they're a fine team Stafford's a top eight quarterback fine feels strong yeah I think fine in the 9 and 7 cents they have they have a oh not like they're a fine team no like they're fine team their defense is nondescript at this point faceless is having a bad season I don't need to hear about Stafford doing it all on his own again though because he's got golden tate He's got Marvin Jones, who's incredible. I mean, he is having a great season.

I think Ebron, they've got enough weapons, but they don't have a running game. Well, okay, so he certainly has weapons in the passing game. That's it. But you look at what Case Keenham has. You look at what Drew Brees has, what Cam Newton has right now. And it's like when you can control the, when you have a leading control on the ground, that's what the lions do not ever have around Stafford. And it dates back years and years.

and it hampers his career. It does. And we have to, before I move on, give our annual, not annual, but every show we give a shout out to Pat Schumer. So once again, Pat Shermer. What a job. Nice job.

Can you imagine if Pat Shermer were to be elevated to the level of head coach, what kind of success he might have with the team, it would be glorious to watch. 8 and 8, 9, 7, 7, 9 fired. That's mean. I don't know what he would do. I mean, we have some track record.

It didn't go great. Well, the Vikings 9 and 2. This has been a bit of a gauntlet that they've aced so far. Now they go to Atlanta in week 13. The Lions go to Baltimore at 6 and 5 and basically have to find a way to win almost every game from here and out. It's a tough spot for the Lions. Oh, one more thing.

Usually I think they're silly, these little trophies that the broadcast hang out. Sure, sure, sure. You like the golden football, maybe. The golden turkey. It's not even whatever it is. is the trophy, I don't care. I just felt good for Case Keenum. Yes, I did too.

A national television. I'm with you. Playing the best football of his life. I mean, that was probably the best game of his. Hanging with Aaron Andrews. He's hanging with EA. And he's holding the trophy. And it's like, oh, nice job by you, Casey.

It's a long way from that episode three of all or nothing last year when he got benched and really seemed to be a guy who had lost all his confidence. And now here he is. He's a household. I don't trust for us. I don't trust anyone that does not get behind Case Keenum in his journey right now. You heard it here, people. Trust Case Keenum or else.

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quarterback beats cress got inside bosa trailing is a blocker and king is off to the right with an escort he'll sprint it all the way back 88 yards into the end zone touchdown Desmond King's first pick is a pick six and the dagger for the Cowboys on Thanksgiving 28 to 6 chargers Desmond King returned interception 90 yards for a touchdown that basically ended the game in Big D and Philip Rivers threw for 434 yards excuse me in three touchdowns as the Dallas Cowboys fade into oblivion a 28-7 six loss of the Chargers. Cruz. What a big win, Mark,

for the Los Angeles Chargers. All of a sudden, five and six, some statement victories here. And a game we talked about heading into this game was a loser goes home type match. Chargers aren't going nowhere. Chargers win.

And we talked, that's exactly right. We talked about the winner of this game having new life and the loser having to deal with their own mistakes accrued over the course of a season. The charges came out into this game. They abandoned the run right from the start. They must have said what we feel we can do with Keenan Allen and Travis Benjamin is attack the Dallas secondary.

Their first three drives went for 70, 89, and 66 yards, but generated only three points. At that point, do you change the course? They did not. They kept attacking, and they found a way over the course of the game to completely dominate Dallas. I cannot figure out. You have Tyrone Smith back.

You don't have a Zicoleli. That's the one guy missing. And the Dallas offense has generated, what, 24 points, I think, in three games? It's abysmal. It's the lowest total over three games in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. And I don't need to hear every Cowboys fan or, you know, all the armchair analysis after this game or even after the season that, okay, you know, they went down because, you know, when Zee, went down, it was over.

This is more than, this is more than Zeke. First of all, they've run the ball fairly well the last couple of weeks. They don't have a vertical passing game. They don't have a passing game really at all that they can rely on. And the first half, Dak Prescott did not throw a ball that went more than eight yards. Like, he didn't even try to throw a ball. And I don't know what it is, whether it's the protection, has him kind of, you know, looking downfield, whether the scheme is stale, Beasley, and Des is not coming up with

those 50-50 balls this year. He's not the same guy anymore. And they face the good defense. He's not a number one wide receiver. Under the radar, the Chargers defense has been better than their offense for the whole season. And now the offense is starting to catch up. And they're a tough team to deal with. The Cowboys have lost three straight games by at least 20 points.

That has not happened since 2004. The second half of those games, I think it's 74 to 6. 74 to 6. Wasn't there some sort of a lockoff in this game, if I'm not mistaken? Yes, there was. Well, not here. Not in this studio. You got to give me what I deserve.

That's a good thing. Oh, you tried to do what I tried to do a week ago. Connie, Connie locked up. That lock was for Connie Fives. Yeah, Connie locked up. She's had a nice history. Good for her on her 18th piece of turkey right now, and probably I would gather knowing Connie, her 75th drink.

Whoa. I'm just saying, and I give her credit for that. Breaking news. But I would say she's probably on her 75th drink. She's locked up a game. It's midnight in Philadelphia. It's midnight in Philadelphia. Breaking news, Lindsay.

Connie Fox, an out-of-control party ammo. No, what I was going to say is, yeah, again, I butchered a lock-off. And this is the logic of this failed lock-off. That Dak Prescott, hey, listen, this isn't rocket science. This isn't like old dumb ass Dan up to his old tricks. Right, right. No, Dan was saying Tyrant Smith's back. Alfred Morris looked good last week

Dak Prescott is a star in my opinion and they're at home in a game they need to win that's what I saw and you could That makes sense Logic was with you Well it was with it was with Connie too They were over there with both of you I'm saying that was my logic

And I stand by that logic going into this game So you just don't know And all I could say is I don't want to like you know I don't want to throw you know dirt on Dak Prescott But Dak and I know You don't have a number one wide receiver, and I love Des.

He's had a nice career. But, Dak. We talking about Des like he's 35? What is he? He's had a, I mean, he's an old 20- He plays older than he is. Yeah, that's right. My point is that I was expecting

Dak to win a game last week, this week, and maybe he's not there yet. Maybe he'll never get there. But I think a lot of people thought heading into the season, he was already kind of there. He was that type of special quarterback. I think he kind of was there for most of the season. Well, he's not there right now, at least not November of 2017. No. And the thing was, this is three straight struggle games for this offense.

So it's not just last week. It's a trend. It's not just Zeke. It's Dez. It's Dak. It's Cole Beasley. It's the whole, it's the coaching staff. Like when we give Shermer and the offensive line credit in Minnesota, I think you have to also, you know, get on the people around Dak Prescott, too.

But he's not handling it well. And I think he started to see the rush a little bit more and started reacting to the rush a little bit more. and started reacting to the rush a little more. And listen, a week ago against the Eagles, Luke Elliott, their kicker gets knocked out. Jakey. Or Jake Elliott. Jake Elliott, the Eagles come out of there with a wipeout.

This week, Nick Novak misses a big chunk of the game. They've got gibronies. Like, I mean, the Chargers had to go for it on fourth and short, fourth and long. Like, as a offense that doesn't have a complete scoring attack, and they still come out of here with a wipeout. That's two weeks. That is a major disadvantage if your opponent's kicker is removed two weeks in a row that happens in Dallas's favor and they get destroyed.

They were lucky that this game was as close as it was. This is not a playoff. They gave up 515 yards. I mean, the defense was just as bad. It was a no show. It was a no show by the Cowboys. And it should be mentioned that Zach Martin, who's an all pro guard, he left the game with a concussion in the first half. So there's still, that line is kind of, it's not all there right now.

But I just, honestly, I can't, I can't say it enough. I think there may be a time where Dak Prescott can pick up his team the way a Russell Wilson can but I think he's not there yet or maybe he won't be there ever but right now like this is this is what we expect

this is what happens to every quarterback this is what happens to Aaron Rogers in the middle of basically every season over the last couple seats where you have a couple plays it's how Dak You're letting him off the hook I don't know I'm saying it's ups and downs this is what's happens to every quarterback ever

essentially And DAC has had an incredible start to his career, and there's a lot of issues around him. And you're right. He's not able to lift the team up by himself. I'm just saying that's basically happened with every quarterback in history, and he was overdue to have some speed bumps, and now we've hit it. I think you're absolutely right, but I would put myself in the category of being a little surprised by the not able to lift up the team to the extent that he's not been able to. I mean, it's like the offense fell off a cliff, and it's only because you're missing, you're running back at this point.

Des Bryant is 29 years old, but he's an issue for the team. So they need to decide whatever. I don't know what is Gary Fitzgerald. He's an issue. Des Bryant talks like he's Larry Fitzgerald. So where are you? Your key players are Jason Whitten and Des Bryant, who are well past. I'm not that upset about it.

Are well past where they should be. And then your defense, your defense had a no-show. I mean, Hunter Henry, I love watching this guy play. He's making huge plays down the field. Keenan Allen. Philip Rivers is throwing darts. I have a... This secondary, seven interstance.

I have a proposal, though. Yeah, what do you got? What do you got? Cowboys, Lions, Thanksgiving tradition. That's fine. How about a new tradition? I like this. Phil Rivers plays on Thanksgiving every year.

This might be its last season. I think it's like 37. It would be worth it. And if he changes team, then the team that he goes to plays on Thanksgiving. It's worth it just to have that picture, happy Thanksgiving from the Rivers family. And you got all eight kids. So many. You got the kid.

And you know what else you got? Too many. You got a 28 to 6 score in the fourth quarter, and they pick up a third in five. And you got Philip Rivers pumping his fist maniacally like he's Tiger Wood just winning the Masters because he picked up a third and five with three. Greg is up out of his seat. That's what we need on the holidays. A Thanksgiving night even. I tweeted today that Philip Rivers 30 years from now, and everyone makes fun of him, oh, you have eight kids.

What a joke. Well, by the way, 30 years from now, he's going to be overlooking the sea. with about 122 grandchildren surrounding him. I think he's figured it out. He's going to be surrounded by love for the rest of his life. Counterpoint. I think it's kind of cool. Counterpoint.

As all the men in this room right now. Smasher behind the glass can contend. Smasher is the central figure of wisdom, so I'm waiting for the way in. Well, we're all in the same boat. We all have two kids. Yeah. You can be surrounded by two kids in the grass. Let's calm down.

Let's shut it down at eight. There's a lot of people in this world. And I know the Rivers family can afford to take care of all these kids. That's the difference. But let's just, you know, let's enjoy this hive that we've got. All I'd say is if you're Philip Rivers, you have multi-millions of dollars that you are not in there dealing with the grit of raising eight kids. Let's get. One more thing.

Keep winning, keep winning, Chargers, because your schedule is doable and you're a fun AFC team. They're my AFC Super Bowl team. And I'm, you know, all these people that came at me laughing in September 15th, oh, laugh, laugh, laugh, giggle. Sit down! You were laughing at yourself. You were out on that pick by September night. I'm back in on my own pick. And everyone who opposed me, watch your body is burned.

Your body is going to burn. Gosh, they were o' and four. If they hadn't blown that Jaguars game like they did, six and five. Okay, sorry. You got to move on. We got to move on. But just yes. We got to move on to the most important contest.

Yeah, I don't know. The chargers are five and six, which is still bad. But it is the AFC. And they got your Browns next week. Let's get to six and six. W. The Redskins, which is a coin flip. at the Chiefs, at the Jets, home to Raiders.

That's how they close out their season. Nine wins is doable. That's a great schedule because you don't have... It is great. You don't play one... You don't play one playoff. You don't play one team that's playing well. You play a couple middle of the pack teams.

If you can't be the Chiefs and Redskins, you're probably not a playoff. Half the time the charges aren't playing well. So let's see. They've got to get out of your own way. Win four of those games because it's not a hard ask. It's not an easy ask either. No.

It's not an impossible ask. Go forward one. It's also not our privilege. to ask. Please do what you will do. Let's move up. Second and eight. Play action.

A ton of time. To the end zone. And it is caught for a touchdown. Kirk Cousins threw a pick six. But guess what? He also threw two touchdowns, including the game ceiling throw in the fourth quarter to Josh Doxon, a 20 to 10 win over the New York Giants. The Redskins keep their faint.

playoff hopes alive they're now five and six uh the giants of course long ago uh mark stopped being a playoff contender there two and nine so here's this game good job redskins no lollipops are being handed out no found a way to beat the giants by the way it was 10 10 late in this game i'm not going to go crazy however you're still the DNA the bones of a team that can make a run here don't you think uh what the redskins and the ns see it's tight because like the the It's such a top-heavy conference. And the AFC, I would... But they don't have seven losses yet.

No, they don't. I would adore them in the AFC, and the NFC, it's tough. This game was rough. This was a game where 20 minutes into this affair, the Redskins had three yards rushing. And at half-time, Eli Manning had 60 yards passing. And I'm sitting there in my house asking,

why should I be fawning over this contest? It was a quintessential, ugly football game. But the Redskins win these type of games. The quintessential Giants' Redskins' Redskins. games game. Yes, it was. Collinsworth made the point that he feels like every Giants Redskins game has been like, and it's true. Like, they're always one on punt returns. It reminded me a lot of the week 17 game, which is the last year, which is the game that made me jump off the Kirk Cousins

bandwagon, had one of his worst games of his career, lost, I think what was a 16 to 10, a very similar game in Washington. This time, though, he's got a little more fight to him in terms of when the pass rush gets on him, he's making plays against pressure. And they're starting to run the ball. P. Ryan has looked pretty good the last three weeks or so, and so at least they have a running game, which they didn't early in the year. This was a game that forced me to ask, what am I doing with my adulthood? But it waged on and it, the result was, you don't have to love every game. No, I know, but a result, a result occurred in the end and I'm happy for Washington on some level. And, you know, again, I'm not going to go crazy about the Redskins

finding away in this game. It was a little bit alarming, actually, that they doubled them up in total yardage. They looked like the better team. You love total yards a little more than me. I mean, I saw a 10-10 game and both teams kind of, you know, battling it out down the stretch. And Eli Manning, you take away Odell Beckham. And this is a compromised Eli Manning at age 37 already.

You're 36. And Sterling Shepherd and Brandon Marshall. Yeah. Can I? Yeah, I'm just saying. Let me finish the points that I'm beginning, okay? And then you take Odell Beckham out. You take Sterling Shepherd out, who, by the way, was the guy that was shaping up

is a guy that could be a nice little number one down the stretch of meaningless football. What's left? What's left? So it's like... Zero running games, so very little is left. If you're a team, the Redskins, you need to win this game. So I'm not going to give them too much credit at the same time.

It's like, this is kind of like, this is easy pickings. And it makes you wonder how broken are the Chiefs that they weren't able to get business on last week? I mean, the Giants, what, had one touchdown against the Chiefs. They had no touchdowns tonight. Only Janoris Jenkins scored a touchdowns.

I mean, that's why the Redskins offense should have... not made as many mistakes. I mean, that sequence where they lined up to punt the ball on fourth and one, then Gruden decided to change his mind, I guess, because the crowd was booing him. So he took a time out. And then he didn't get to play in fast enough, so they took a delay a game. I mean, this stuff happens to Washington all the time. They shoot themselves in the foot.

That said, the Divans gave up seven first downs. The Giants didn't have a first down in the entire second half until a garbage time drive where I think they got one. And Eli Manning doesn't have his weapons. But he's also just taking some sacks on some plays where you've got to get the ball out. And there was a third down when they still had a chance in this game where he just threw a ball into a wide open throw. No one's in his face at all.

And he threw a ball into a ground. And Collinsworth was kind of dumbfounded. This is one of the worst Eli Manning games we've seen. It was a strange game. One guy that we never talk about, because he's not Lawrence Taylor, but Ryan Carrigan, I feel like every time I watch a Redskins game, he shows up. He's having a great season.

He's having a great season. He just seems to always be around. the quarterback, and he's a big part of their defense. And I would say the one thing about the Redskins, and I'm not saying tonight is the quintessential example of that, but Scott McLuhan, I'll say this again, that he brought some pieces

to this team, and when they show up, it's the pieces he brought. Is Scott McLuhan your dad? I just think that Scott McLuhan, I kind of love this guy. I think that he is a great talent evaluator. They got flushed out. I understand he got flushed out of this team, and for reasons they found reasonable,

but his pieces are what make the Redskins who they are. Now, they have to go- Well, listen, it's not a perfect team. He didn't not get five years to build this team either, but they are a tough football team. They've been that week after week, no matter win or lose, they've been a rigorous, strange team,

and he is the reason they are. One of the better cornerback trios in the league when Kendall Fuller is having a great season as a slot corner, and then you have Norman and Breeland on the outside. I think those are all guys in the gluing. It's a nice group. player that I think Josh Doxon, who a lot of people kind of forgot about him as he's on the rise.

He's labeled him as like a Laquan Treadwell type first round bust in 2016 draft. Dawson's making plays every week. You set up one score with the past interference, had the game winning touchdown. He is making plays in that week after week. And the Terrell prior signing was a bust. But they needed somebody else to step up and Dotson became that guy. You're absolutely right. Dotson gives you some things that you would have wanted from Torel prior.

They're not the exact same player. but I think he is and he's younger and they have him under long-term contract to priors out the door. I'm not sure what's stopped him other than injuries and I guess it probably is just injuries but when you watch him the way he moves and the way he can get deep balls,

I mean he's got the skill set to be a top 10 type of They miss Chris Thompson though. Here is the Redskins schedule going forward at Cowboys which by the way all of a sudden doesn't look so scary. That's on Thursday night next week. So we're getting these two teams in prime time again. At Chargers. So we get to see the Chargers.

That'll be a good game. Home to Cardinals, home to Broncos, at Giants. So the road there is also. That's a great schedule. That gets you to 9 or 10 wins if you just take care of some business. Wow. Could they be the team for the third? Could the Redskins take the fork out of their back for what I believe would be the third time?

I don't know. If I had to guess. They will. The Bini, you get excited about them, they're going to break your heart. Right. One thing I feel about the team. Because we played it fairly safe with the fork. this year, they would probably be the team

if I looked at the forked teams that we've done, that would have the best chance, just because I think they're a decent time. Oh, can we fork the Cowboys? Sure. Is it too late? Is it too late? No.

Stick a fork in them. The deadline is after Thanksgiving. Get the Cowboys out here. And I think we accidentally forgot that we had forked the Cardinals. Oh, yeah, we did that last night. They're out. So I believe that gives us 15 forks,

which I love to get to 16. I love to get half the league. but we got 15 this year. Minerly respectable on our part. Redskins are going to bang us, though, and I like it. There's a lot of needy organizations in the D.C. area, so that's not a bad thing. Hey, they say in life there are no guarantees. They say there's no sure thing.

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three Okay, so you take away the 13 games to talk about? No more buys, right? That was a mess. Is that right? The buys are over. Another way to do it. Just saying, you know, 16 games, you could just start there and then take away the three from today.

One of the great things about the late season, like the buys have been removed from our lives. So there's more games, and many involved teams that are far out of competition, far out of of our lives. We get a lot of trash bags playing football games every Sunday. So indulge yourselves. Enjoy. Very good. Mark, always a vocal advocate of the game.

Yes. Lindsay, happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Are you working on some pecan pie back there? No, I'm eating a lifesaver. You're here at work for Thanksgiving. What flavor? What flavor?

Wintergreen. Did they feed you here? Yeah, it was great. The food was really good. It is a very nice. It's a very nice Thanksgiving meal they offered. Very good. Getting ready to go shopping, though.

And Greg, you, Mark, you're a fooditarian, of course. What do you eat on Thanksgiving? I literally, while I was home today, covering the early game, I ordered Indian food yesterday, and it was too much to eat in full. So I just simply ate the leftovers. I don't. Wow, very. You ate leftover Indian food for Thanksgiving.

My family is up north. It was a sparse operation. Wait, but here's the thing. There's three separate meals today. I guess breakfast, you ate your normal breakfast or whatever. No, I ate no breakfast. So was the leftover Indian, that doesn't feel like three meals worth of food? I don't eat three meals a day.

I don't even know where that. That feels like a 19-155 concept. What is wrong with you, you pig? No, it's like what kind of person still sits down and eats like three complete meals a day? Like I ate, I was at my house, I ate one meal. I ate like a little bit of Indian food in the middle of the day dealing with like two and a half football games that I could. For a man very concerned with health matters in some aspects, this seems. Like a strange take.

I also listen, on Thanksgiving, what can you do about food? Nothing. Nothing's open. You have to forge it. You could have come up here and had the delicious food at the... Well, don't get it. That's a bridge too far. All right.

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