NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - The 23 Most Intriguing Trade Targets of 2025 with Bill Barnwell

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by ESPN's Bill Barnwell to give you 23 intriguing (AND REALISTIC!) trade targets this offseason. Players they think could be on the move include Myles Garrett (05:46), Matthew Stafford (12:28), Micah Parsons (27:30), Maxx Crosby (39:22), Kirk Cousins (49:40), Joe Thuney (52:47), and more! Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It might have just been a hologram or a facade of myself recording with Nate Tice and Charles McDonald of Yahoo in front of Spain. Oh, wait. So you're doing other people's podcast, too? That makes me feel even worse. I did my own podcast, the Bill Barnwell show, and I had guests on the Bill Barnwell show. I did not do anyone else's podcast during my time at Radio Row, which I did not see you at. No, that's what I'm getting at. Or your colleague, Jordan Roderick, who does not factor into the older male relationship conversation here. But certainly, I feel like, all that would have happened had we met up is you would have just made me feel old. You would have called me some sports writer from the 90s as you.

No, we won't do that. But I consider you a friend, Bill. Now, I guess it's like it's like work friends, but I feel like if you lived in Los Angeles, we would get dinners sometimes. I agree. And yet there we were in New Orleans and we're just too busy for each other. I take the blame there. I'm thinking about there.

There are a few people like that. Phoebe Schecter from Sky Sports. consider a friend. I didn't see her all week somehow. I forgot. You were also, yeah, you were probably just plotting your global domination as the, that is not just the voice of NFL network podcast, but also for, for Sky, with Sky Irwin Super Bowl? Just Talksport on this weekend. You know, they would, they won't give me the Super Bowl gig anymore. Back in the day, they would hook us up. But yes, we did the radio. And shout out to Will Gavin, who has a radio call of that Cooper DeGine touchdown that's kind of gone viral among Eagles fans.

It was great. I love that. Will Gavin is awesome. He's going to be on the show coming up in the next few weeks. He doesn't know this yet, but I want him on the show. Hopefully we can make it happen. I saw him during Super Bowl weekend in advance of the game itself. I did. Did you enjoy the game itself?

Did you enjoy it more being in the stadium? Because I think the general perception was kind of a boring game for those of us watching it at home. No, we're moving off the Super Bowl here. Now we're late in the week. We're talking about most intriguing trade candidates. But no, to answer your question, I just wanted to let the listener know what the show is all about in case they didn't see the title

because I'm very excited for this show. This to me is a cornerstone show of this offseason because I think it'll define this off season. But I thought that was extremely entertaining. It was surprising. It was, I mean, I picked them to win, but I didn't think it would be like that. It was excellent.

Give me a good blowout in person. I thought it was amazing. Now, if the chief said blown the, Eagles out by that much in similar fashion, would I have been saying this? No, I probably wouldn't. But I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool to just see a team hitting on all cylinders like that. Just in person, it was kind of overwhelming. Certainly the fact that it was mostly Eagles fans in New Orleans and in the stadium, I think played a big role here. I think in front of a, I mean, just hearing the reaction to that AJ Brown penalty early in the game was like, uh-oh. This is going to be all bad calls against the Eagles. This could be a very dangerous. a very dangerous Super Bowl. But certainly it felt like an Eagles home game, or at least a quasi-Eagles home game. For sure.

In a lot of ways, it just sort of felt like the, why are you hitting yourself Super Bowl? Because it felt like the Chiefs just hitting themselves over and over and over again. The Eagles have taken control of the Chiefs by force and weren't just smacking themselves over and over and over again. But certainly we have seen a lot of that. I think it's fair to say,

ask someone who just wrote a like 7,000 word column about one of these players we're going to talk about today and the potential trademarker for one of those players for ESPN.com. I feel like there's a lot to discuss when it comes to potential trade candidates. Look at you, just transitioning me into that. And yeah, like it was the game was essentially over mid third quarter. The Devante Smith touchdown was the last exciting moment. But that it was enough for me.

There were certainly many Super Bowls I can think of that didn't provide nearly the fireworks and just the juice that the first half of that game had. And so I enjoyed, I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm, like I said, got to enjoy the hell out of this. Here's the format. Very simple. We are breaking down the most intriguing trade candidates of the 2025 off season. We're going in order.

We'll go back and forth. Kind of like a draft, except there can't be any bad picks. Trade. We'll see. Yeah, it's not really a draft. We're just going back and forth. And I did a show yesterday with Nick Shook, where we went through all the potential franchise tag guys.

And I'm getting ready for my top 101 for you. agents. And my takeaways from both of those exercises, like, where are the big names? Where are the good players? And you know where they are, Bill? They're all in this show. There's so many. It's absolutely outrageous. So I will give you the first pick, I guess. Who do you think is the most intriguing trade candidate of the off season? Okay. So are we doing this by intrigue or likelihood of being traded? I went intrigued. I went just what gets, what would be the most impact. Yes. Okay. That's I'm going to have to reformulate this list then in real time. You want me to go first then?

No, no, I will throw the guy out there who I just wrote this 7,000-word column out because he is the most intriguing player on the market to me. And that is Brown's edge rusher, Miles Garrett, who, depending on what you think, he may not be available via trade at all. He may not be a player who gets the sort of value that I think there is the public perception about Miles Garrett, given how the league treats. older players. But Greg, I mean, the sort of one of the cruxes on my column was, how many times do you see a Hall of Fame player, a guy who has already established a Hall of Fame caliber resume

before 30 get traded in the NFL? And that is a extremely rare proposition. Yeah, I don't know of any off the top of my head. I had six in my column. So six guys who were at least. least on the all pro list three times before being dealt. You have Tyree Kill. Eric Dickerson is the most famous one or the most prominent one. John Dre Hopkins came up for me. It's that caliber of player. It's guys who, you know, certainly extremely impressive players, no doubt about their resume. But even those guys outside of Dickerson, not locks to be Hall of Famers. I think Tyree Kill, Johnjure Hopkins will eventually make it,

but Miles Garrett feels like a lock. He's a four-time first-team all-pro before he turns 30. A guy like that has never been traded this early in his career. And so that makes this such a fascinating proposition, because if you're the Browns and you're even considering a Miles Garrett trade, which they say they're not publicly, you kind of have to ask for the moon. And I certainly think there might be a team out there willing to do that.

But for a player who is turning 30, who's going to get a massive contract as part of this deal, that resume, even given what he has done so far, the league has gotten very careful about paying players and trading for players this late in their careers. I mean, remember what Jalen Ramsey got a couple years ago in trade, a third round pick and Hunter long for a player who, admittedly, I think Miles Garrett is a better player, but Jailen Ramsey was a little younger, had been playing at a really high. high level. And there was not a significant market for Jalen Ramsey. That's a great point and that's going to be a recurring theme with all these guys. How much does the new huge contract that you have to sign hurt the trade value? I have a couple strong thoughts on Garrett. Number one is I really believe that he will get traded. Really? And I believe they're fine with that. I feel less strong about that. But I'm taking Daniel Jeremiah's take, but I have a feeling he knows things. This guy knows things. This is the ultimate guy who pretends like, oh, I'm just saying my opinion. And he

knows a lot of things. I think they'll think it makes sense that if they can get fair compensation for Miles Garrett, which is, you know, starting with a first plus or it's multiple day one and day two picks, that actually for them where they are, I don't think it's doing them, a favor, but they would have to pay him now anyways. And I don't know if they'd think it makes sense to give Garrett this contract. And I think it's just a perfect combination of he's playing so well that he will have a market. If Khalil Mack could have a market, his second trade around to the chargers, Miles Garrett absolutely can. Now, the record of guys over 30 at Edge, making all pro staying among elite pass rushers is not incredibly great. And yet I do think Miles

Gareth is such a freak and such an outlier and it's coming off back-to-back years where he won the defensive player of the year and then he was a finalist that teams will give up picks plus a contract and if it takes till April when it's draft like so be it I think the Browns actually will welcome this opportunity in the end because I think there will be more than enough of a market for him because all it takes is two or three teams and and look he's your most intriguing in Canada. He's actually not mine. So you didn't take, but I think there was a clear top two and he was number two. Is there a line, like a line of demarcation where if the Browns get this kind of return, do you feel good about it? I guess it's the first question I asked. Number two is

do you think they should prioritize draft picks over trying to get players who are going to help their roster right now? Yes. Ideally, you would prioritize draft picks. But if you can get second or third year players that you really believe in, that's great too. I think it just has to be one or the other. Yeah, if you can get a second or third year player with an established, you know, track record already with some potential, then that fits into, I think, a younger timeline. And that makes sense. And maybe that is what makes the Browns do it. Yeah, I mean, I thought about someone like Rashon Slater with the Chargers, where the Browns are going to need a left tackle. I I think that's a tough thing for the Chargers.

See, they would never do that, though. Right. The Chargers are not going to get up for a Schencelator. But they have Joe Alt, who could play left tackle at a high level. And they're probably moving on from Joey Bosa this off season, which you have two or below two at one edge spot. I don't think Bud Dupree is your starting edge rusher in an ideal world. Miles Garrett is Miles Garrett. I mean, Rashon Slater is a good player.

But, you know, would you trade a guy you're probably about to pay at left tackle for a franchise Hall of Fame caliber edge rusher? I don't think so. That's the sort of conversation I think about players you're having. Like, I don't think Rashon Slater's on the block is on my list here. But I think if you're the Browns in lieu of draft capital, if you can get a really talented young player at a position of need, I think you have to have that conversation. Totally agree. I also think Garrick going on every show possible. He literally went on the ESPN show after your countdown show, after leaving New Orleans and going on everyone's show, just like in his closet at his house on Zoom or whatever.

and was like, trade me, please. Like, his aggression, I think, does matter. Him being one of the greatest players in franchise history matters. I think they'll now look at it like, hey, you almost, I don't know if he did them a favorite, but they're not going to take any grief for trading such a popular player. If anything, they'll get a little credit for like, hey, let's make Miles happy. We got to go. I got like 20 guys on my list.

So let's go to two, though. We'll spend more time with the top guys. There are so many interesting names. This is where all, and I think it's going to happen. I think there's going to be a lot of trades. Number two to me is Matthew Stafford. I don't know. Well, he's a starting quarterback.

He was number one on my list. I take it back. I mean, he's number two in this draft. Well, to me, I think Matthew Stafford impacts your team more even than Miles Garrett. That's just how quarterbacks go. If you put Matthew Stafford on one of these teams like your Giants, let's say, I think he raises their wins ceiling. significantly in a way that even Miles Garrett would not.

So to me, he's the most intriguing for that reason and for the other reason that I really think this is happening. I think there's something going on there. I'm not a reporter, but there's something there. Kelly Stafford, his wife was on air, essentially daring the Rams to do it. These things don't happen in a vacuum bill. There is something going on there, and the way that the Rams have answered questions,

I at this point would be surprised if Matthew Stafford doesn't get traded. I think they are basically going to have an auction. And I think because he's a good starting quarterback, they'll get some picks back. Like, would the Giants give up a second and a third for Matthew Stafford? I could see it. I was worried they were going to say their first-round pick, and I was going to say absolutely. I don't think, no, I don't think they would do that. But would they take this year's second, which is 34th?

It's almost like a first and like next year's third or something. Would the Rams take that? I kind of think the Rams would. It really seems like the Rams are getting out of the Stafford business, which makes him by far to me the most valuable quarterback that's available because I would put him a tier above Sam Darnold. And as far as I know, there's no other great quarterbacks available. I agree.

We'll talk about some quarterbacks who are not great who are going to be available. I'm very at tree to hear that you are so confident he is going to be dealt. I don't think that's wrong necessarily. But it just, like you said, it makes sense that something is amiss here in a way that we can't see. Because from both sides, why would a trade make sense? From Matthew Stafford's side, when he said he was coming back, the reporting was simultaneously, oh, he has a contract situation. And it's like Matthew Stafford has made $300 plus million.

as a pro is really, you know, it's an extra $15 million in his age 517 season. Has he ever left a dollar on the table, though, Bill? Has he ever left a dollar on the table? He's part of the Bag Hall of Fame. We're going to get to another Bag Hall of Famer later on in this show. It just seems like, like that would be a really easy fix if it was just money. Like the Rams are not going to blow up their team or blow up their chances of competing next year over $10 million.

But Greg, the part that he seems even harder to me is, why would you feel confident about this if you're the Rams because, you know, yes, you can get a second and third arm pick from Matthew Stafford. I don't think that's a crazy return in a vacuum, but you have a coach in Shaw McVeigh who has flirted with going to the media pretty much every off season except for this last one

after they sort of got back on track and made the playoffs, who doesn't have a great option under center on this roster. Like, Sets and Bennett is not, you know, I know less need love Sets and Bennett. I don't think that is the solution here. No. If there's anyone, it's Jimmy G. I think they like Jimmy G. But he's a free agent for what it's worth. But bringing back Jimmy G as has been floated as a like and then plus a draft pick has been floated as a realistic possibility here. But it's not really, maybe they signed Sam Darnold. That's not out of the realm of possibility. It's just do you really end up in a place where you are more competitive over the next three years if you trade at you Stafford?

My instinct is no. But if that relationship has been so torn apart. part that there's just no alternative, then maybe you do it. But it just seems like it would be easier to fix this than make a trade, eat the cap, cap hit, move on, try to find a new starter. It just doesn't seem to make sense for the Rams unless this is the point of no return, which is out of the realm of possibility. I agree with you. That was my take right after the playoffs, that it makes no sense to me. I just think it's, I just think it's going to happen. I just think it's going to happen. I think the Rams' answer would be this isn't Stafford's offense. It's Sean McVeigh. That there's so much belief in Sean McVe from himself and the organization that

Stafford's 38 has been fighting through injuries, maybe plays hurt quite a bit, plays through it. This year was certainly his worst year in Los Angeles that now just might be the time. And yeah, that there might be some personal stuff here in terms of like Sean McVeigh has a certain way he wants to run his offense and he's adapted towards Stafford, but maybe he's ready to go back to the way he wants to do it. You go with the next player that you think is the most intriguing. But I have a more question. Then we'll move on.

Giants, anyone else come to mind for you as like the Matthew Stafford landing spot that Raiders, Jets. I mean, really anyone, but I- Anyone who stinks, basically is what sounds like. The teams that need quarterbacks right now are generally the teams that stink. Is there a decent team that doesn't need a quarterback? I can't think of one. Colts? Colts?

Yeah, I think the New York, I think, I actually think the Jets and the Giants for the New York market, I think the Kelly Stafford thing of it all is maybe a thing. And Vegas are the places like, oh, yeah, they just sort of make sense to me. And I think the Jets and Giants are a little more turnkey in terms of like they could compete with if Matthew Stafford is playing well, then the outside would think,

because there's actually good players on those teams. whereas some of these teams, Titans, Raiders, like, I don't see a lot of good players. All right, you, I mean, Browns could be in the mix, but I can't see that happening. You go for most intriguing next. I will throw a non-quarterback into the mix. I will throw a wide receiver from Pittsburgh by the name of George Pickens into the conversation. Interesting. A 23-year-old wide receiver with impressive production over the last few years.

And this is a, how much are you willing to consider the red flags trade, right? Because, I mean, Mike Tomlin has done a great job of taking wide receivers who are drafted in the middle of the draft and developing them at the starters with some questionable behavioral attributes. And then it's pretty much gone south the moment they've left Pittsburgh in most cases, not all, but in most cases. And with George Pickens, he's younger than most of those guys. He's more athletic than most of those guys. He's been very productive. When on the field, even in a run first offense, even in with terrible quarterback play. I mean, how many opportunities do you get to trade for a potential true wide receiver one at 23 years old and not have to give up multiple first round picks to get that done?

That is a rare opportunity. And I think there are going to be teams if George Pickens really is available who say to themselves, this is a swing we have to take because our alternatives are paying T. Higgins, who I don't think, I think is a good player, but not as good of a player and has significant injury history. Wow. So you would take George Pickens over T. Higgins. I think if you can get the George Pickens that we believe George Pickens can be, yeah, but there's a real question of, you know, is George Pickens that guy? He still has some rookie eligibility left. He's still not very expensive. And I think with Higgins, you're paying full freight, you know, and for a guy who has been pretty much injured for, you know, our whole season out of the last two years. And that's a real concern. And we don't even know if Teahiggins is going to be out there. Teahiggins might be franchised for all we know. And so I think you're going to have franchises who feel like our culture is great. We're great coaching. The juice is worth the squeeze for George Pickens.

And the Steelers might say to themselves, we can get the next George Pickens in the draft and not have to do with maybe as many of the headaches as we've dealt with in these last few weeks. They're a rare franchise you can actually see doing this because most would be afraid to. I would be afraid of trading for the guy that Mike Tomlin couldn't get off. on board. Antonio Brown post Pittsburgh, little rough. Sure. Deontay Johnson, post Pittsburgh.

Just at the wide receiver position. Your guy, Plaxico there, there's an exception. Total pro and got it done. Mike Wallace was fine. Yeah, yeah. There are, they're exciting. But two recent ones where the only reason they're trading him is because of his focus and anything like that off the field because he's been excellent.

And it's tricky. You mentioned he's on the rookie contract. So if you're trading for him, you're thinking we get him extremely cheap this year. worst case we franchise him next year we have george pickens two years like 28 million that that's quite reasonable and then we see where we're at after that that that's fair enough that was a great pick i wrote down so many names bill and he wasn't even on my list and yet that was he should have been i'm going to change around my so interesting yeah that's why i'm going to change around my order then just because i like it when there's thematic elements to the show and i'm going to go to tyrie kill

Because to me, he's similar to Pickens in the way that it doesn't really make football sense. But the only reason that the main reason that he would be traded is it's just time that the course of the relationship between the Dolphins and Tyree Kill, much like the one with Pickens and, you know, the Steelers has run out. The difference being, of course, Tyree Kill makes a lot of money. They just gave him a big new contract. So it's not really saving them money, which absolutely complicates it. But it seems very possible that Tyree Kill could be out based on the way last season ended. The way last season went throughout, like he didn't quite seem like the same player. It didn't seem like he was quite on the same page.

He pulled himself out of the week 18 game. That's the type of thing that happens right before you get traded. Yeah. And certainly, I mean, pulling yourself out of the game, he claimed afterwards he had a wrist injury that should have been required season ending surgery over the summer that he played through, which, I mean, again, don't doubt that he had an injury. I'm skeptical it would have been requiring surgery if he played through it the entire year. Like, Terry Kill is still a good player, and he's one year removed from one of the best wide receiver seasons we've ever seen in back-to-back years with a quarterback into a Tung of Aaloa, who we think is good, but isn't exactly Patrick Mahomes. But again, I think the question is the risk you're taking on and the price you're taking on for,

George Pickens, like, if it doesn't work out, that's a bummer. The Chase Claypool, by the way, another guy we didn't mention did not work out with the Bears, but like you're paying draft capital. You got a second for Chase Claypool. They did. Right. It turned into Joy Porter Jr. Oh, my God.

And do you know who the Montez Sweat pick turned into? No. Cooper DeGine. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wait, how? Because the Eagles traded up. The commander's got Mike Samer Still, who's also a very good young cornerback.

and the Eagles traded up into that Bears pick and got Cooper DeGine. But with Terry Kill, not only are you paying the draft capital, and I think it would probably be a similar price to what you pay for pickings, but you're also paying him a significant salary as well. So you're now complicating that. Maybe you're impacting your wide receiver. Maybe those guys are going to want to get paid more. You have a guy who has been certainly difficult to deal with at times in the past.

You're training for a guy who just, you know, asked his way out of a game in Week 18. I think that has to be similar to Pickens, the perfect scenario. It has to be a situation where you're confident. You're going to be competitive all year. You can get him the ball a lot. He's not going to be complaining. And there's not really many places where that makes sense. So I think he's going to stand in Miami, but certainly intriguing.

I got two. Your old boss, Bill Simmons, throughout some one-liner, as I was researching this, I was not aware that he said this, but it had been aggregated that at some Super Bowl party. Someone connected to Tyree Kill told them to keep an eye on the chargers. Just the fact that people connected Tyree Kill are telling Bill Simmons to keep an eye on possible teams. I mean, that's a pretty good sign that you might be getting traded. That's interesting. And then back to the Chiefs. I mean, I don't think he'll cost much. I actually think he would be more of a salary dump in that it would be like a third round pick. I think Pickens would be more valuable

because of his salary and because of his age. And the only way the dolphins do this, and it might not happen. This is not the highest on my list of most likely to happen. But I think there's a pretty reasonable chance, like 50-50. If his people are telling, like, journalists, like, to keep an eye on teams, it's possible. But I think the chiefs might be like, yeah, like, if we can give you, like, a late third, and we feel like we can get a great year or two out of Tyrico, I could see that.

And Chargers make a little bit of sense to me. me too. There's other people for the Chargers, I think, make more sense schematically or stylistically. Do you want to talk about one of those players? Please, go. I would throw Cooper Cup, the Rams wide receiver out there in the mix where Cooper Cup is 31 years old. He might be a cut candidate, frankly, as opposed to a trade candidate.

I'd be shocked if he was able to get everything he has coming in his contract. But if you're Cooper Cup, the Chargers, to me, make total sense. You don't have to move. You play in the same building. Right now, Cooper. Cup's strengths are his blocking, his ability after the catch, his ability to, you know, work over the middle of the field. He's not going to be someone who threatens you down field very often.

And the Chargers have a guy who works out of that in the slot in Lamacconkey, but I think Cup can do that from the outside. I think his blocking plays up in a run-heavy scheme, his, you know, certainly his energy, certainly his motor play up. I think there's a injury risk here, certainly with Cooper Cup, that would dramatically reduce his trade value. but I think you can get Cooper Cup if you're willing to eat most of his salary, not even all the salary.

If you can get the Rams to eat some of it and you're paying him on a one-year deal for, I don't know, $10 million and you're giving up a seventh round pick, I think that's a pretty appealing opportunity as opposed to Tyree Kill, who also took a major step backwards last year, also played through an injury, and it's going to cost you a lot more in terms of draft capital and in terms of cash. Yeah, I think it's going to be a little up to cup about how he wants to handle the contract situation. if there's a team out there willing to pay his salary, or if the Rams, if it's worth it for them to pay $10 million of his salary

to get like a fourth or whatever, it would be almost buying a draft pick. But other than that, you're right. He doesn't have a ton of trade value. And yet there's so few good free agent-wide receivers available. He certainly might have like a late pick swap type of value. And yeah, the chargers make some sense on that front. I'm going to go back to the top of my list. this guy was third overall

and we still haven't even gotten to him Michael Parsons I mean this is like the best pass rusher I've ever seen enter the league just in pure pass rushing skills I would say he is the best since I'm using And you have Stafford ahead of him

in your potential impact yes because he's a quarterback I had Stafford Garrett Parsons but maybe Parsons should be even higher you're right you know this is not science here Bill we're just having fun our guy Ian Rous

Rappaport, my guy at least, I guess you have your own guy, Adam Schefter, but they pretend to be friends. They pretend to be friendly. I like them both. Let's not have me cast votes in terms of who's my guy and who's not my guy. I don't think that's an appropriate conversation for us to have on this show. I like them both. They've both been very nice to me. That's good. Parsons, according to Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelliserro at NFL Network, was mentioned as a guy whose future is up in the air and that they've at least had internal discussions about potentially trading. whether it would be the right time. Now, the internal discussions report came before we even had Brian Schottenheimer as the coach, but as we know, Brian Schottenheimer is not making these decisions. It's the Jones is if Miles Garrick could bring a lot back, just in terms of all the people I wrote down,

there's no question of all the people that I wrote down. Michael Parsons, I think, would get the most in return because just for obvious reasons. Because he's a future Hall of Famer just about to. enter his prime. You know, he's five years younger, four years younger than Garrett. Right. You're looking at the Cleomac trade and you're adding more. That is the, micro Parsons discussion for me. That's fine. I think it's totally logical to have a, at least an internal. I don't know what difference between an internal discussion and an external discussion. You can't call anybody, I guess, but a microperson's discussion, whether internal or

external, given that you have this sort of intractable problem with the Cowboys roster, right? I mean, And they had, I think I've said this a million times this year, D. Prescott, CD Lamb, and Michael Parsons combining to make about $60 million a year, and they did not get out of the divisional round. And now you've paid Dak Prescott, you've paid C.D. Lam. Michael Parsons is probably about to get paid either by the Cowboys or somebody else as the interest is fifth year option. Those guys will be making $130 million a year for the three of them.

So even given the salary cap increase, how do you make that math work where you're more competitive with those three guys taking up more than twice what they were on your cap previously. That is a difficult situation for anyone to deal with, let alone the Cowboys, who, as well as they draft, have a habit of handing out some very bad contracts to the players they want to keep around. And so you've already committed to DAC, you've already committed to land. Certainly, Micah Parsons would make sense as a viable trade candidate if you decide that that roster philosophy does not work.

But that is such a difficult conundit. because you have, you're going to get a lot, but it's not going to be instant impact. You're going to have to wait a couple of years. And with Dak, you're kind of in the win now mode, no? So it sort of feels like you end up in this weird space where, again, if they can get young players, if they can get, you know, guys who are difference makers for them who are immediate impact players, sure, go for it. But I think if you're adding, you know, 2026 and 2027 first round picks for Michael Parsons,

I don't think that really helps your big picture right now if you're the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, that's, it's an interesting point. because it's sort of a thought discussion, and we're having it. Is any defensive player who is making $35 million a year or whatever Michael Parsons will cost, and you're right, he's entering his fifth-year option,

and he's not going to be pleasant with the Cowboys if he doesn't get an extension to soft season, is literally any player worth that money versus, let's just say, two first and a third and a fourth. I'm just trying to just do some medium. Would you always rather have those picks? Let's say they're medium to good picks.

I don't know the answer to that. But I think it's reasonable to say, yeah, I might rather have the picks no matter what. And in that case, if Parsons can get you that, there are some teams out there. Like, there just aren't many good players in free agency, and the Patriots have $120 million in cap space. The Raiders have $90.

the commanders have 75 the cardinals have 70 the chargers have 60 the bears have 60 there's a whole bunch more and this is before some of the cuts and the restructures like someone could go out there and afford it they just want to find they just want to have to decide if if they would give up all those picks that obviously for the patriots and the raiders like that would not make sense to them but maybe there's it i don't think it would make sense to them but uh like they all it takes is one right all it takes is one all it takes is one and i think the difference between him and Garrett, for example, is you could get Michael Parsons and think, okay, he's going to be here playing well in five years, given what history tells us

about aging curves for defensive ends. And Miles Garrett, you hope he's an ex-Brus Smith. You hope he's an extra Reggie White, but there's no guarantee. To me, if you're the Patriots, yes, you could justify Micah Parsons. It's obviously much tougher, given that you're potentially trading two top five picks, you don't want to do that. You need some picks.

Yeah, they're just so high in the draft. But you're right, maybe like the Raiders had him. to Max Grosby. Trade Max for for Micah. Trade Garrett. Trade Miles Garrett for Micah Parsons. This is the other we should be talking about here. This is insane.

This is what's happening in the off season. I told you there's no big name. This is the new NFL. Free agency. And look at it. So far, we've done future Hall of Fame or Miles Garrett. A guy who I think will eventually have a Hall of Fame career Parsons. I think Tyreeks basically in already.

Stafford's got a chance. Although it's getting harder these days. It's hard out here for great players. and some fun other players like Cooper Cup, who was a Triple Crown winner in tickets. We're going to do even more good names after the break, the most intriguing trade candidates with Bill Bar and Law.

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And we're not at that level yet. Maybe we can get there. Do you think it's the spirit of competition? To some extent, do you think you know, although people should be listening to the Bill Barnwell show. I don't think it's that. I think we're all friends here, NFL and ESPN and you and I. There's only so many of these little seats at the table. I was only there for three days.

To be fair, you were there for a whole week. I was, I got there on Wednesday. I don't know when you. I got, you know, I was there for. Oh, sorry. You did our friend Mina Kimes' benefit show for LA. Yes, that was earlier in the week. So I got there late, late Tuesday night.

I was there Tuesday afternoon till Friday morning So we only crossed over for two days Okay. Are you going to the combine? No, I'm not going to the combine this year Because I think I've mentioned this probably But I am expecting a child right around That's right. Congratulations, Bill Barnwell.

What a reason not to go to a combine. What a great reason. If it were in Hawaii, maybe I would say, you know what? We'll sneak it out for a couple days. No, I love Indy. I'm happy the Combines in Indy every year. I feel like I don't want to miss the birth of my first child. I think that's a good move in February.

I skipped it. I went to the Super Bowl to watch Malcolm Butler make that interception just a couple weeks after my son was born and then skip the combine that year as part of paternity leave. I thought that was a good reason not to go to Indianapolis. But I will be there. I'm sad. I won't see you there either. Maybe just move to L.A.

Then we can have those dinners. Like, can you do that for me? It's a good group out here. I would love to move. of the LA. That is a off conversation we can have after the podcast. This I love. Who threw out the last one? I think it was me with Parsons. So you

are up next. You're up next. Hmm. Who will I throw at next? I have so many good names still. Hit a bunch of wide receivers. I will throw out a guy who tormented Micah Parsons in years past. I'll throw out Debo Samuel where certainly the Cooper Cup conversation, I think factors in here where you have some veteran whiteouts

who are certainly available for cap reasons. I don't think Debo Samuel will be on the Niners one way or another in 2025. I would expect he'll be cut if he's not traded, which... Whoa. Look at their roster. They need to find money for Brock Purdy.

They're going to cut you on Hargrave. Once they signed Juan Jennings to a small extension, once they drafted Ricky Pearsall in the first round, and once they signed Brandon IEU to an enormous extension, writing was on the wall. And I think Debo Samuel coming off of a disappointing season, a player who's certainly very physical at 29 now, almost in his 30s, there's only... so many guys, you can move for the Niners to make the math work for a Brock Pretty extension, even if you structure it in a team-friendly way. And so I would

imagine Debo will not be back, whether it be via cut or via trade. I expect they'll find a trade market for him. But that's such a difficult player because he's not a plug and play wide receiver. He's the best yards after catch guy in the league still. But you have to find a role that makes sense. I will push back on that. I am not saying he's bet. I believe if you go to the NFL's next-gen stats, which you are familiar with as an NFL employee, you will find that the best expected yards after catch guy year after year is Debo Samuel. He gets more out of what is expected than anybody else in the league by a significant margin. I think he's like two to one over the second place guy over the last five

years and might still be number one even this past season. Now, he has a litany of injuries in his past. He's almost 30. He is expensive. And he is probably going to want some new money on a deal. And so all of that makes is very complicated because you have to have a team that's really willing to use him in a role that makes the most sense for him. You have to be willing to endure the injuries and you have to be willing to pay. I think the Chargers would make sense in a unique role given that they do run the ball so much and he is a physical player. But I think he's not just a plug and play guy in the way that even a Tyreek Hill might be on the field at least for NFL teams. I agree. I think he's a much more attractive option than Cooper

Cup. I think there's a lot of similar. that they aren't the same physically because of how they've played such a physical brand of football. I agree. Debo hasn't had a great year since 2021 before he got this contract, though. I mean, he hasn't broken 1,000 yards. Sure. Just the eye test tells you the juice comes and goes a little bit. I think he plays through things at times, and then he'll look great another day.

I thought the canary in the coal mine this year were his rushing attempts. He suddenly was averaging three yards per attempt. And he usually is five, six, you know, his first year, he was like 11. And I know the 49ers offensive line and the 49ers offense in general is not as good. But just the eye test says he's not the same player. And he's similar to cup in the same way that he will have to decide how he wants to handle the contract situation. Because on the contract he's currently on, it's actually a huge bonus. I would give more for Debo Samuel if he said, I'm cool with this.

All he's due is like $6 million. and then another million and some bonuses. He's due like $7 million this year and then his contract is voided. If he was willing to do to have like a prove it year, you know, I'd give up a third round pick for that. But if he needs a new big contract, which is probably what he'll be looking for. I would assume that complicates it.

Yeah, he's a good one. I really liked him. I'm going to throw out Max Crosby, who I mentioned earlier. He was mentioned alongside Parsons in this up in the air. And the whole thought was Pete Carroll comes in. he was at the press conference, the organization is more stable.

Okay, Crosby's more likely to be here. But they don't, you know, Rappaport and Pellasero don't mention it on Super Bowl Sunday from nothing. And they might look at it like, we're, even though we're not rebuilding, they want to win with Pete Carroll, that they're interested in just like

what it would cost to get Max Crosby. And you do wonder, is the fact that he gets sit-down meetings regularly with the owner, like a positive or a negative for the new GM and coach? Like, it's weird. He has an incredible amount of power, it seems, for a player. And sometimes that runs its course and his value is sky high still. So if they were ever going to trade them, now actually would be the time.

Oh, I agree. And so Ian throwing that out there makes me think they're probably not looking to, but they're seeing. Like, they're seeing if someone was going to give us two first for Max Crosby, we'd do it. that type of thing. Have you been to the Las Vegas airport anytime recently, Greg? Not since the Super Bowl, but I was there. There is an ad for Max Crosby's like cigar bar with him smoking a cigar. And he smokes a lot of cigars for an NFL player. And again, nothing wrong with that. He's obviously a super great athlete. But just one of those things where

you're like, is this really the best, the best thing for you, you know, as a player. Well, you don't inhale it. I guess they convince themselves it's not that bad for you. I don't, I mean, it is bad for me. I mean, I don't know. I think that's just an example of like Max Crosby, who I think is a phenomenal football player and someone who I think is, has been one of the three or four best defensive players in football over the last five years. Like, he does whatever he wants. And because he's the only one of the few people there who has had any sign of relationship to winning over the last three or four years. He's carried terrible defenses to vaguely competent at times. They were 10th in scoring defense in 2023 because of Max Crosby. And so. As a rational thing, it makes total sense to trade Max Crosby. Like you said, he's at his peak. He plays a key position. He's on a very comfortable deal. There would be a huge market for him.

The Raiders would get multiple first-round picks in the logic of he's not going to be a great player at the point we are competitive, which is three or four years from now. He's not going to be the Max Crosby we see right now. And he's, you know, three or four years and another contract down the line when the Raiders might have a shot at being competent, given how much they have to invest. in the draft and elsewhere around their roster, then yes, it would make total sense to trade Max Crosby. But that relationship with the ownership, that like the fact that he is the one player

where if you go to a Raiders game, he's the one guy you see on jerseys in the stands, he's the one guy in the billboards in Las Vegas. That's the reason I think the Raiders don't trade him, rational or not. Fair. I do wonder, though, if he wants to be traded in...

He has said publicly every single time, I do not want to be traded. He doesn't mean that he means privately. He opened the door a little bit. this off season a little bit and then Pete Carroll came in if both he was open to a trade

and I think the new GM and coach would be open to it then maybe like they could convince Mark Davis I mean Ian Ian went as far as to suggest the team that he knows a lot of people in Green Bay

he knows a lot of players there I was like really the fact that like Josh Jacobs and I think it was Kishaw Nixon are on the team is there more than that maybe there's a defensive line coach I don't know about I was like really that's that's the connection. The first thing that comes to after me is the Detroit Lions.

Oh, that would be good. Detroit needs to get in on one of these trades. It won't be Matthew Stafford. It won't be Debo Samuel, but they would be a great team for any of these pass rushers. While we're talking pass rushersers, I'm just going to throw out. I'm taking a turn. I don't care. Unless you, do you have a pass rusher on yours?

Sort of. I have a couple, but go for it. I want to hear yours. Because there's another at this level. And it's amazing to me that we might be entering an off season where Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Max Crosby, and Trey Hendrickson are all available at the same time. Yeah, but why do you, that's the one I'm most skeptical of because it feels like they're trying to compete and in the most hopeless situation if they do trade, Trey Hendrickson.

Because A, he asked for it. It was the softest trade request ever last off season. Sure. And then B, yeah, he's going to be over 30. And they have so many people to pay between Jammar, Chase, and possibly T, Higgins. And again, his value is quite high after 17.5 sacks. And he really deserves and wants a new contract. Their GM, Duke Tobin, was on the record saying he has earned a raise and a new contract. And we will offer him a raise and a new contract. The problem is whether we can agree on what that

raise and new contract will be. And even that one quote said to me, like, okay, maybe he's a little open to if they could get a second for Trey Hendrickson, they might just, they might just do it. Because it's, they don't make a lot of trades, but it seems kind of Bengalsy to me. It just feels like so just self-defeating. Like, okay, you got a second round pick for your best, maybe really only great defensive player, unless I'm forgetting someone on the Bengals roster. And you're, you have a quarterback where you can win right now with Joe Burrow. And you have a wide receiver in Jim R. Chasing with right now. You've invested a lot on the offense and you have hope that you can develop players on defense. It has not worked so far.

I thought Joe Burroughs comments recently about how looking at the Eagles saying, hey, they pay everybody. Like, well, Joe, you discovered the difference between the Eagles ownership and the Bengals ownership and what they're willing to do to make their players and their organization happy. And I just, it feels like such an easier thing to do to just pay T. Hendrickson and figure out how to save money elsewhere, even if that means moving on from T. Higgins. Bengals fans will all point out they have been quite high on cash spending

the last couple years they have not spent well no that's the problem it's been free some of it's been free agency some of it's been on you know those tackles Orlando Brown

and I actually I read Paul Dana's article about this in the athletic and I don't think it'd be that crazy to treat I actually disagree a little bit that if as long as they spent the money pretty well

on T. Higgins and Chase and a decent return. It's not crazy to trade. And more important, Bill, what side are you on here? Like, Bengals fans or content creators? Like, we need more of these. Let's push these out into the ether.

Okay. It's not just, like, BS, like, coming up with nonsense trades. These actually all seem pretty realistic so far. We have not come up with, like, one that we're just throwing out for fun. These are all realistic. Oh, I don't know. We will see. I want to throw out.

I have a couple of defensive linemen I can throw out here. Both of the way, I think, are not anywhere near as prominent as the players you mentioned, but make sense for me just because of roster construction reasons. I will throw Jonathan Allen, the commander's defensive tackle out there where you have Dron Payne and you have Dersonne Newton, who has been really impressive as a rookie. Alan, final year of his deal. Now he's 30. Commanders have deeds elsewhere at defensive end, for example.

Could you consider swapping Jonathan Allen for that? one of these edge rushers we mentioned in a trade where you figure, okay, I'm found still a very impactful interior defensive lineman, but probably not. The commanders don't need three of those when they have very little on the edge outside of Doran's Armstrong with with Dante Fowler being a free agent. You have needs on the offensive line. You have needs it receiver. That would make sense to me as a surplus position for them.

And then Jill and Phillips for the Miami Dolphins where coming off of another, sadly, another injury on his fifth year option, so it would be a one-year flyer, basically. Dolphins might need to eat some money, but Chop Robinson was a superstar when he was in the field second half of last season. Bradley Chubbs coming back from his injury that cost him all in 2024, Jell and Phillips. His future is not here, his future is somewhere else. Probably going to be at best a situational pass rusher. Dolphins need to save some money here and there. I think Jalen Phillips would make sense for a team that wants to kind of buy low on a guy who looked really good before the injuries over the past couple years. Those are two really fascinating ones. Duran Payton, you could throw in with it. Allen like it would be sure could be in either or sure the Phillips

idea is intriguing the dolphins have a really interesting off season I'll just put it out there so Tyreek the Jalen

Phillips decision I think is interesting I would think they wanted like he looked so good in the when he's been out there but these are two big

injuries I think they want to keep their guy but you're right they could they could look to trade him Bradley Chub is probably more

of a cap casualty type of guy but who knows maybe they would take him he also Jalen Ramsey like he's usually had expiration dates i looked at the money though with him and he'd probably have to be like a that might be like a training camp one it's a little there's been some tyrant armstead

rumors as well yeah he could retire like that there's a lot going on there with the dolphins i love those two shoutouts and the commanders have to me are up there in terms of fascinating off seasons because they have so much money so much opportunity in an attractive to me they're they're they're the miles garret team like if the browns are really trading miles garrette that's that is the team that makes the most sense on so many levels for me. I agree. That's a great one. I'm going to mention the two tag candidates that could get traded, which are T and Darnold. And I don't need to go on them on them too long. We talked about him a little bit. We've talked on this show about St. Donald's a great length in the past. Yeah, tag primary.

But those two guys could could get tagged and dealt. And so the timing of that is a little open-ended. you just have to have the room on your roster to be able to fit them under the cap and then you can hold on to them throughout the course of the off season which means you could hold on to them even until draft day

which is kind of a soft deadline if you really want or you could do it early we haven't seen a ton of this over the years but we have seen it including last year with Legerius neat

so that could happen another example as well certainly makes sense to me that you would see those guys potential tag and trade candidates should we talk about Kirk I feel like we talked about so many quarterbacks

I forgot about Kirk. You forgot about Kirk? I like did not. I looked at all the teams. I was like, oh, there's no other. Actually,

I wrote down Kyle Pitts way at the end of my list. That's just like a fanciful one. I didn't even think. But you're right. That makes sense. Because I actually, the more I thought about it, he could probably get like a sixth round pick or something.

I don't think it would be much, but it would be something. If you don't believe the Falcons really want to have him as a 27 and a half million dollar backup next year, you would think there'd be a market. Certainly the Falcons will have to eat a good amount of money. I would guess $20 million at the bare minimum. For Kirk, I think the report of his shoulder injury, I think, was designed to get a little bit of that market flowing for him saying, oh, look, he was fine before he heard his shoulder.

And we didn't tell anybody about it and put that on the injury report. I think they're going to eat a little fine for that. But I think if they can get some more in return for Kirk, I think they would like that. I mean, the Browns made total sense to me here as a team where Kevin's a family. working with Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. They are probably in a weird spot when it comes drafting a quarterback. If they love a guy, they'll probably take one. But with the Sean Watson, probably out for most, if not all, a 2025. This could be a let's give Kirk a shot at a much reduced salary and see what we get with him. Certainly going to be much more beloved than Watson

was here. And that could be a, you know, if they don't want to spend a lot of money at quarterback, if they don't want to make a significant bet right now, Kirk makes a lot of sense to me. So he's due $27.5 million in base salary. It's fully guaranteed. Guaranteed. Bag Hall of Famer, Greg. It's Kirk, Stafford, and Dorel Rivas. First ballot, Bag Hall of Fame.

Shout out to Dorel Rivas in that 2014 Patriots team. That's how I'll always remember him. I wonder with Kirk, though, that's a pretty onerous salary. I know quarterbacks cost more. I mean, the Falcons have to pay a good amount of it to get this deal down. Okay. But even then, I don't think you can be giving up legitimate draft capital in the year 2025 for Kirk Cousin.

So it has to be a tiny trade. If there's a trade, it has to be a tiny trade. It's more just we'll take them and you take some money and we'll give you like some day three pick swap. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Something like that. This is going to be the Browns giving up a sixth round pick.

for Kirk Cousins and the Falcons eating 20 million. I mean, this team giving giving up capital for for quarterbacks coming off an injury. It just, yeah, it's just bad. It's all bad. But I mean, you have to do something. No, no, you're right. I've gotten on board that that alignment seems like it's going to happen. We mentioned the Browns before.

I meant to mention Denzel Ward actually came out publicly and said he sees himself as a tandem him with Miles Garrett, which is interesting. Like he wants in on this trade. And he also said, if Miles Garrett got traded, that would impact my desire and my future. So just a name I'm throwing out there. Yeah. And the other. Bounds cornerbacks as well.

Yeah. Martin, Emerson, great newsome, also plausible trade candidates this year as well, if they keep that so work. In a position that, like, isn't normally available, the only other person at a cornerback, I could even vaguely think it was Jaya Alexander, but him and Joey Bosa went into my category of guys who don't have trade value actually even though they're kind of intriguing they'll just get cut i think and be a good shot to take for some other team but i don't think they they have trade value do you have any other names you want out there before we finish this show oh i have a

couple i have okay uh give me rapid fire okay titus howard texans right tackle who's moved to guard two years in a row blake fisher probably staying a right tackle but there's always a market for tackles in the NFL. I will give you one. I'll give you one very fanciful one that I think I have to explain the logic to have it makes sense. Joe Tuny. Chiefs left tackle. Joe 20 years old entering the final year of his deal. The chiefs have Tray Smith coming up in free agency. It's going to be very tough to re-sign him and pay Joe Tuny a ton of money. But what if you trade Joe Tuny? You're probably not giving him a big extension after this year anyway. So trade him a year early. Keep Trey Smith, draft a left guard to replace Joe Tune, seems to be a lot more logical than me

than let Trey Smith leave, let Joe Tune leave next year, and have to replace two guards in the years to come. Well, you can just trade them to the Raiders. We already know their owner thinks so highly of Joe Tune. He voted him fourth place for offensive rookie of the year, offensive player of the year. It's outrageous. That's not the most outrageous thing we saw in this voting, Greg. Well, okay. Just, you're right. You're right. What happens? and Bobby Wagner got some all-pro votes or something. That was bad. Yeah, I think got down-ballot defensive player of the year votes, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, man. That could be wrong. This is, again, during the Super Bowl. I'm like half-joking about Tooney, by the way. The Raiders would totally trade for Joe Tooney. Sure. Because of Top Brady. I was going to say maybe the Patriots because he played with Brable, but no, Tony.

Tune hasn't been around that long. That actually makes so much sense. I wish I had thought of it because I've been trying to figure out how they can keep Trey Smith, then that would be one way that they could do it. Are you done with your rapid fires? I'm done. Give me your rapid fires to finish up. Okay, Will Levis just, you know. Yeah. I'm not going to get much. Minka Fitzpatrick, there was a lot of like strange Minka. I don't think I was reading between the lines between some of the players and some of the reporters that maybe Minka wasn't on the same page with everything that was going on, hasn't been as impactful. That's one.

And then Devanti Adams, I mentioned on this show before that could happen. I don't think D.K. Meckf will happen. But for whatever reason, fans seem to think D.K. Meckf would happen. And then here's one that actually is realistic. Jeffrey Simmons at this point of his career, he liked a tweet, by the way, that was suggesting Vrable Go bring him to New England. And I could see them trading Jeffrey Simmons at this point in his career. Whether it was to the Patriots or any other team, it just seems like there. rebuilding and they could get something for Jeffrey Simmons.

I have the idea of, okay, we're going to trade Jeffrey Simmons to a team. You know, we're rebuilding. We're not going to win now. Let's trade him to the Patriots. That's the team that is going to be competing with Jeffrey Simmons. You can't argue with the likes. That's reporting. He liked the tweet and then he unliked it.

What do we do? What do we do before social media likes, Greg, when we got to report on stuff in 2007? I didn't, I didn't do any reporting back then. I just did it now. Back then. Okay. I mean, Jeffrey Simmons is an awesome player. I think there should be a lot of teams in the market for Jeffrey Simmons if he were

to come available. I just, the reason why is one of the things I did as I was getting ready was I went and searched the articles of who could be on the block during the trade market. And supposedly they were willing to listen to Jeffrey Simmons in the middle of last season. Now, as the Titans do, they've blown up their front office in between. So it's sometimes hard to know what carries over with the Titans since they change literally every six months what their play.

is yes um between those two i feel like fitzpatrick makes sense there's also been like the vaguest inklings of t j watt stuff because he's on the final year of his deal but you know again there's there's five others the hall of fame caliber edge rushers on the market you would think t j watt does not make sense but i mean her big looked really good last year elks high spent looks great um they have needs elsewhere again i i don't think it's likely. But I think certainly you could see the logic if it were not one of the most below players in franchise history. I am going to count up how many names we mentioned on the show. And then I'm going to put it in the title of the show. And it's going to be like the 27 most

intriguing trade candidate. And what we're going to do, Bill, is we're going to keep track and see how many actually get traded. Because I want this show to be the flag. planted in the ground that this is going to be the offseason of trades. There's just, the draft is blah. The free agency is blah. You want to improve your team in a more significant, gutsy way because your team's not struggling. There's a lot of caps a space out there.

You're going to do it through trades. And I think it's going to be a great offseason of trades. And people are going to, you're going to thank me, Bill, because people are going to be coming up to you on the street and saying, remember that 27 trade candidates pod you did on NFL daily. Wow. What foresight? How many, what's the over under for how many trade you think will actually happen of those 27 players? Of those, I, that wasn't the number, by the way. I'm just, I was just, I was just, I don't know what the number was, but if there was 27, three and a half. No, way more. I'm going to go like 12. I'm going to go 12. Oh, my God. Okay. I will go under 12.

That would be my official betting stance. You're probably right. You're probably right. Seven or eight might be like a better line. Great. I would love seven or eight. I felt so good when I had DeAndre Hopkins going to the chiefs in October and like two weeks later it happens. Oh, man, I felt that I walked around on air all day. The in season one is different. I really do think the situation that is facing the NFL, like the circumstances, is really setting up for a big time trade year. So we'll see. That's my prediction. I agree. I agree. And you did it all for you. And also, this is the year of Howie Roseman. I think people are going to emulate Howie Roseman and nobody is more.

active on the trade market than Howie Roseman. Well, let's add another name then. Bryce Huff is available. He is not going to be on the Eagles. I don't think next year. I don't know. What a wild turn of events, 20 plus million, and he was inactive for the best defense, defensive Super Bowl.

The rest of their offseason was so good that Howie Roseman might get a Hall of Fame votes for what he did this offseason. And the most expensive player he signed was basically in a relevant mess all season. That's why it's tough. It's tough to pick up players. It's tough to guess what's going to happen. It's not tough to enjoy this man. Bill Barnwell, check out the Bill Barnwell show.

Check them out. All his articles on ESPN Plus. What? You got 7,000 words on Garrett coming up? I do. Probably tomorrow. Check it out. Bill Barnwell, always the best.

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