NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - The End to 2020 - New Horizons Monday

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, and Gregg Rosenthal take you through all of the coaches and GMs who were fired on "New Horizons Monday" and the rest of the news around the league including what's happening with Carson Wentz and Jared Goff. Around the NFL is part of the NFL Podcasts network.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Expect those checks in the mail. 600 big ones, Marky, Mark. Yeah, I don't. I'm not keeping an eye out for that. And when it arrives, it goes into a gigantic abyss known as our credit card debt. So I'm not, you know, what good does it do me? None. That should handle the credit card debt with a couple dinners.

Grubhub meals to spare, right? No doubt. I'm going to spend it all on like cutting the line for the vaccine like in a black market sort of trade thing. There's a whole world out there. So that's where my money is going. That's good.

A little peek behind the curtain of the Around the NFL podcast. Yes, it is, we were just here. We were just sitting in these chairs hours ago with our double episode recapping week 17, the end of the regular season, and the seeding of the playoffs. But we're back, baby. We're back in a big way because it is Black Monday.

No, not Black Monday, because that's a negative connotation. And we don't like negativity on the show. We like positive stuff. We like positive affirmations. We want to look at the world in a different way, a way where you see the rainbows, not the storm clouds. That's why this is New Horizons Monday here. in the NFL, a time where, yes, the coaching deck gets shuffled,

but hopefully when the dust clears, everybody ends up with a job. Now, that's not Greg, something that's actually going to happen, but you could hope that everyone lands on their feet. Tough time of the year in the NFL, but also an exciting one for fans who want to see change. And some guys, you know, just can take a little time off. Jim Schwartz, the Eagles coordinator, long-time fan of his. He's taking a year off, just chilling.

At least he could retire. He's had some health issues. We're leading with Jim Schwartz on the show. I don't know. Just trying to take the ball and run with it. First down, Mark, your thoughts. Well, I mean, these guys, A, it's a caravan where they just go from job to job, no matter how poorly you do in the last one,

someone who owes you a favor will hire you somewhere else. And they make a tremendous amount of money. So for all the, well, I mean, listen, I don't. don't want them to lose their jobs. But this is not like, you know, someone losing their last option in society and being thrown into a breadline. They are ultra wealthy and rich, and we wish them well. This is like the opposite of the preamble that Schrager gives before he talks about because he talks about, hey, you're not just firing the head coach. You're firing all the assistants who aren't making much money and all the families and all the children. But Seth is

just like, let's eat the rich. No, no, no. The children I can't. about if you get yanked out of seventh grade and suddenly have to go to seventh grade in like jacksonville that would be um traumatic okay all right so that well that's that's the way it is in our league and and what mark was initially alluding to uh was that yes this is a game of connections and that's what you're going to see in these next few weeks how coaches um and general managers and all these different figures in the league, they all connect through their past to find jobs for the future. It's going to happen again.

We're going to spin through everything that has gone down up to this point. It's past 6 p.m. on the East Coast on Monday. So let's start with, yes, let's just go through where we're at in terms of the dismissals of head coaches. Doug Marone will start there, Jacksonville, Jaguars. This was widely expected. Really felt that way for two years that Doug Marone was on the outs in Jacksonville. Now it happens.

Time's not great for Doug, unfortunately, because it seems like he's leaving right when Jacksonville is a chance to really rise with the number one overall pick and potentially Trevor Lawrence, as well as a lot of cap space. Shod Khan spoke to the media after the announcement that Marone was out. He thanked Doug for all his work and then spoke about what it is. that has eluded Jacksonville during his time as owner. What's evaded the history of the Jags really has been a franchise quarterback, and I think what's unique certainly is that we have the ability now to make a choice, and it's going to define the franchise moving forward. Greg, the Jags owner Shad Khan also has to hire a GM.

So GM, head coach, and the starting quarterback is not in the building yet. This is a huge job, but also one that comes with a lot of optimism. It does because they have so much cap space and you assume that you're taking Trevor Lawrence and that's all great. But, you know, I keep seeing it thrown out there. It's like, this is, you know, this is the best job because it's great ownership. It's this and that. And I guess I would just say like scoreboard at some point. I mean, this franchise is, all it's done is lost under Shod Khan.

So yet he seems like really smart on the business side of things. But you're kind of split between London and Jacksonville. That's one thing. And they've just lost so much since he's been there. And then it's a red flag when he says in his press conference that he's going to have final say on contracts and personnel that he did that pretty much over the last year. And I think, like, what other owner is doing that other than Jerry Jones?

And I basically am of the mind that the more ownership is involved in football, the worse it is. So that is a little worrisome if I was. a Jaguars fan. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. And I think that an owner's job, first and foremost, is to hire successful people. And I guess it's a positive trait that Shod Khan has been extremely patient with the people that he's hired. But we look at Doug Marone, Dan, to your point, that we feel like he could have been let go earlier than he was. Gus Bradley, you could have said that. David Caldwell had more lives than a cat in that franchise. And at some point, it's like

it's on Shod Khan to go hire the right people. And so Urban Meyer's name pops up and that's going to draw a ton of attention. It seems like they're to some degree sort of heat-seeking on the idea of that if that's what's going on there. I mean, that would be a splashy hire. That is the former Ohio State coach, Urban Meyer, who had a fantastic career as the coach of the Buckeyes. You've also heard the current Ohio State coach, Ryan Day, bandied about as a potential option in Jacksonville. It's very clear, it seems that with the big, quarterback on the way that Shad Khan is looking also to make a splash here with his head coaching higher and completely reset this organization going forward. Because I'm with you, Greg, on the

scoreboard thing, but I still understand why this would be seen to an outsider as well. If you get the right management in place at GM and you give me this quarterback and you let me be the head coach, oh my goodness, we have a chance to get good very quickly. All right. In other news, Anthony Lynn. He doesn't make it. This one surprised me. I even teed up Nick Shook on the flagship show after L.A. beat the Chiefs in a meaningless week, 17 game for Kansas City. No Patrick Mahomes, but still, it was four consecutive wins for the Chargers to end the season. Justin Herbert ended his fantastic rookie season on a high note, one of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. So the quarterback playing extremely well, a guy that you hope is there for 15 years. You end

on a four-game winning streak. But Mark ultimately, four years and a lack of success and some high-profile bungling of some of the important elements of being a head coach seemed to get Lynn in the end. Yeah, I think that if you look at what you look for in a head coach, like Anthony Lynn, and there's a reason I think that the media responds so positively to him is that he has traits of leadership and he has a history of players buying into him and liking him. But it was interesting that Dean Spanos basically said that the Chargers have been, in a quote, essentially innovative in many facets of their organization,

and they need to carry that over to the entire operation. And I think that pointed to some degree to coaching and game day management and the black mark on their record in close games. It's been really, really rough. It kind of reminded me a little bit. Tell me if I'm too far afield here, but old Chicago Bulls fans will remember when you had Michael Jordan, you had Doug Collins as your coach,

and they started to creep into contention, and you saw the pieces in place. And they made a sort of surprising coaching switch and went and got Phil Jackson. They said, we have this star that we need a coach who can match the star power. And when you have Justin Herbert, you have an open invite to get some of the best coaching talent out there.

Who wouldn't want to go there? I mean, there's a lot to like about the Chargers in Los Angeles. So I think they're thinking maybe this time around we can maximize and get the best possible coach out there. The biggest surprise to me, is just that Tom Telesco, who's been their GM for so long, gets to hire his third coach. You almost never see that.

Like a GM getting to hire three coaches. Unless, like, one of them retired and is headed to the Hall of Fame because he was too old or something, like, you don't see it. Because Mike McCoy was, you know, a strikeout. And Lynn, you know, had pretty good moments his first couple of years. And then, you know, you're firing him now. And he gets another one. And everyone points to the good draft picks Telasco has had.

and that's fair. But Lynn was, you know, over 500 in his run, and Telesco's been there eight years and is under 500. So, you know, I think that's okay to point out. I do like that the GM's, you know, in place making the decision. Herbert, to me, like, blows up all this, like, all the, like I saw the excuses John Elway's making for Drew Locke today about Drew. And then you're like, well, look at Justin Herbert.

You know, he kind of blows it for all these quarterbacks that have excuses. Because if you got it, like Herbert does, like, you just got it. All right. We'll see what happens next with the Chargers we talked about last night that the Jets had fired Adam Gase. Christopher Johnson, the team's acting owner gave a press conference today. He said, I don't much like the term CEO, but it does describe what we're looking for. We want a head coach that coaches the entire team and his staff. You don't need to be offensive.

You don't have to be defensive. This is a coach for the entire team. that's very important to us looking forward. Obviously, a clear indictment of Christopher Johnson's own decision-making when he kind of heat, laser-focused in on Adam Gase as the guy to get Sam Darnold better. And Gase was an offensive guy. And Greg Williams is the defensive head coach.

And it didn't work. So the Jets are now going to try a different tact in terms of who's going to be their leader on the sideline. If you are, and we talked about this yesterday as well, if you want to take any hopeful positives out of this, search, which I expect to go on for a while for the Jets, is that it is all out there that Joe Douglas is going to be the guy that is going to pick the coach and then present it to ownership and hopefully ownership listens to the GM. I think that's how it's going to play out

and hopefully that will create, you know, or lose a sense of dysfunction that's plagued this organization for a decade. I mean, I always thought that the word was that Joe Douglas and Adam Gase got along pretty well. It wasn't like there was a total lack of harmony there, But for a GM that is held in high regard, certainly by many media people, you'd think that he'd have a chance here to pick someone that he can work with, because to the Telesco point, this is probably his last chance to pick a coach. And he's got to get it right, and they're going to have to nail the quarterback. And if those things happen, suddenly everyone looks pretty wise.

I'm noticing a trend when we talk about these guys. And this is a little bit of self-scouting. That's what you do, you know, the week after the regular season. And you do, you know, you have some meetings internal what went right, what went, what didn't go right. We, I think we as a group don't like the guys who butter up the media, who get a little extra shine from the media because we kind of know the game, but we're not really on the inside. So we just like, we see you people who are kissing up to the media. And we're going to call you out. We're the truth tellers.

Or we're going to call you out as a large group. Maybe we're biased against them. I'm including Mark and myself in that at least, because I definitely have that. Trey, and I can hear it from Mark, too. Yeah, it just starts to become obvious and overt, and it's a nice little party for everyone to. I do like the setup, though, Dan. You know, I killed the Jets the way that they did the last couple.

You know, when they hired Gase, I killed it that day, and when they fired the last GM, I killed it that day. It never made any sense. You know, it just seemed doomed from the start. And this does not seem doomed from the start. This seems to make sense. We'll see. I was up at, what's up, Ricky?

Well, Greg, you just said you're going to call. call all these people out, but you didn't call anyone out. So why don't you just call them out? It was by the context clues. I was coming off of what Mark said. He was basically saying Joe D's got friends in the media. I didn't think anyone listening

that's what he was talking about. Okay. Just want to, you said you're going to call him out, so let's do it then. Right. I guess Ricky's saying basically it's a half measure. You go out of your way to show that you are someone that's plugged in and gets it. We do it every single show. I was assuming

I'm assuming, we pointed out every show, who's the people that kiss up to the media. Let's throw Telesco's name into the mix, too. We just talked about it. Basically, you know, the ones, it works. That's the thing I've learned more than anything I feel like in the last 15 years, is it really does work to insulate yourself with the media. It makes a difference. There's a reason these guys do this.

I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was going through, you know, I was reading all the post-mortems on gays and who the judge. Jets might go after. And this applies not just to the Jets, but all these teams looking for coaches. This is a tricky year to be on the hunt for a head coach, because like Schrager said last week, there's no like obvious slam dunk guy. So no matter who these teams come down with, I feel like you're going to have to on some level as a fan, talk yourself into it and trust what your team is saying about the hire and why they think it's the right move. Because I don't see anything. You know, Arthur Smith is an example. Every coach, every team that's

looking for head coach has requested to speak with Arthur Smith. So it's like, okay. So Arthur Smith must be like a crazy in-demand guy that your organization would be galvanized by, but nobody really thinks that about Arthur Smith. Maybe he is going to be great. We don't know, but he's, you know, he's an example. They want that FedEx money. Maybe they just, like, want some, they want to be connected to the FedEx, Zion.

Is that the word? Maybe, I don't know. The zeitgeist? Like S-C-I-O-N. Oh, oh, that one. Yes. Ski-on? All right.

Okay, so there you go. The Jets, all right, the lions we know about. Nothing new on that front, the Texans and the Falcons. Those are the other three job openings. So you have six head coaching vacancies right now. Now it's been through the rest of the news. So Zach Taylor, there was a report floated by Mike. Florio of PFT yesterday that he might not be safe with Cincinnati, well, the Bengals went

and doused that report with cold water by coming out on Monday and saying, yeah, Zach Taylor is our guy and he's coming back for a third year on the sidelines. He has not had any success win loss wise, Mark. But, you know, at the same time, this is not still not a great roster. And the Joe Burrow injury just killed any momentum they could have built down the back stretch of this season. Yeah, I mean, if you, I think it'd be going into the year, we talked about, like, who is Zach Taylor? We've had that conversation multiple times. I'd come away saying you can feel real encouraged about the Titans win with Joe Burrow. You can feel good about beating the Steelers with Brandon Allen. They finished bottom five in offense, yards per play, scoring. But you're in an organization. Mike Brown came out today and said he's very bullish on Zach Taylor. I found that to be the wording of an aged man. That's a good thing if you, the definition is positive if you're Zach Taylor. And I get it.

Why dump him because it's, he hasn't really had a chance yet with a full year with Burrow. And I did see some things. And it's not like, you know, Burrow was undercoached by them. The issue is talent organization. Here's my question. Would Marvin Lewis have done worse than Zach Taylor or better? I mean, I just, I'm waiting to find out who this coach is. But I think it would have been premature to jump ship and then resell.

sell someone else on the job. Salman Wilkatz once told me, Marvin Lewis for all his wards, that man raised the Titanic Bengals into a AFC playoff contender year after year. Maybe, and I don't think he's another example because I think Peter mentioned his name, potentially. He's had some interviews already. He's had some interviews. That would not be a higher that would excite anyone, but I think it gets lost in the

mix because Lewis kind of became almost like a figure of comedy for, Twitter middle school because he lasted for 16 years without winning playoff games. Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. He accomplished much more than Zach Taylor could ever dream of through two seasons of his coaching career. Right. Because Lewis, if nothing else, is going to bring a good staff. And that's the question that Taylor has. No one wanted to work firm at first. I mean, he went through like nine defensive coordinators before he found one that said, yes, I think he might change his defensive coordinator, Lou Anerumo. We don't know that yet.

Captain Lou Albano? No, that was a bit higher. Not a guy that's not a guy that's been mentioned on this show a lot. It would have been nice to see Burrow through the end of the season. It was hard to really think much of anything. Did Burroughs injury and a strange twist of fate save Zach Taylor's job? That's also something to think. It may be consistency for Joe Burrow.

Let's not make him the latest rookie quarterback with, you know, three coaches and four years and multiple schemes. Maybe it's just like, let's keep things as they are for him. They've got to do something, though. If he just shows back up in that, like, blue polo, you know, all the time, Zach Taylor, and they have another, like, four and 11 season. If, like, if we were back in the old blog days and the aughts, we all wrote for blogs. Around the NFL was a blog. Remember that?

It was called Around the League. That was good. Like, a really mean-spirited blog post would be, like, the most forgettable NFL coaches who, like, reached their third season. And Zach Taylor right now would be on, you know, probably be on that list. he'd be on that lit he'd be the reason you put the article right he would be the inspiration i don't know where he would fall you'd have to do some research but he'd so he's on the mount rushmore of terrible third year coaches not terrible i said most forgettable there's because a lot of times

terrible means memorable so these could be some you know multiple five and elevens that you just forgot ever existed like a blazee leader of men a largely forgettable leader of men that you don't remember led you or anyone right or that you don't remember covering you don't you don't you were like, oh, yeah, I forgot that guy. You know, it was like someone brought up how many assistant coaches Brad Childress, like has turned into-in-coaches. And I was like, well, I forgot Brad Childress. He had like a six-year run with four playoff spots,

but it just sort of like totally forgot about it. All right. In other news, you know, one thing, so six coach openings, which is pretty much on average, but general manager openings. There are seven of them, now that's that's higher than usual and the most high profile one opened up on monday uh when john elway uh and the broncos announced that he would be stepping away from the role of gm after 10

years um and we'll be hiring a gm that will answer to john elway and also vic fangio who's going to keep his job so the broncos are going to hire a gm to quote make all football decisions working in partnership with Vic Elway said Monday. So that's big. Elway, of course, was the architect of the Super Bowl 50 champion, but it has been tough sledding in the

years since. So he gets I guess what amounts to a promotion to president of football operations but he no longer is the chief architect of the team, Greg. This is probably I don't want to say an overdue development because John Elway

deserved plenty of rope after what the team be put together with Peyton Manning and Bonn Miller. But it might have been time to shake things up. This one's for John. Yeah, I think so. It strikes me as Parcellian. And Elway does deserve credit because they were great for four years. You know, Manning gets the most credit, by the way.

But, I mean, they were great for four straight years. And they won it on almost the most surprising year that they had in 2015. It reminds me of when Bill Parcell's kind of moved to, like, no longer being the coach or GM exactly, but then just tried to be like the football czar in Miami. That's sort of like the last move of a football skion. Skion. You know what I mean? Like he's almost trying to insulate himself.

Like he says he has other things he wants to do while still staying in. So he doesn't want to be as day to day. It makes sense. Also, ownership is like changing and weird there. So it's almost like planting a flag of like whatever happens here. I'm not going to be that easy to take out right away, you know, but it's a weird organization right now because you're making them take Vic Fangio too.

It's not a normal GM job. I mean, there are also very few scenarios where your general manager is an icon in your town where people go to games still wearing John Elway jerseys. And I had a friend from Denver that wrote me and said, wait, did Smelway get fired? Because he calls him John Snowway. Don't call me Smellway.

Classic smellway. I said, listen, he essentially, this is great for him. He got, he's 60 years old. He promoted himself. We've got plenty of people like this inside NFL network and in the higher floors of our building. Name them. Well, no, because I don't even know that.

These are people, I don't even know their names, but you get the email every once a month. This person and these people have been promoted. This, you know, there's names that have been promoted eight times in the last four years. They move high up into the upper echelons of the company where there is no occasion. accountability. You have no idea what they are doing. John Elway said a couple times during this

presser, like, I'm going to stay attached where I want to and stay engaged where I want to. I still feel competitive. But basically, it's a job that he will not be held accountable for it and he'll make a lot of money for it. And I would imagine that's a nice thing to do when you're 60 years old. So are you, more money, last work. I'm getting mixed signals from you, Mark. Are we protecting the sacred cows or are we slaughtering them? Like, where are we standing? What do we stand on all this? I'm not really out to get John Elway I mean he won them a Super Bowl He won them multiple Super Bowls as a player

He got them one as a GM He'd been there for 10 years They won like a hundred games The quarterback thing got real rough at the end And I think he's sort of saying Seacrest out It's not it's a tricky job Of all these GM jobs open

I think it might be the worst Just because of the weird dynamics And the ownership is messy Just you can Google it there's lawsuits, there's inheritance, there's a bunch of, there's a lot of different things going on there. So it's just confusing. What if it's a sh sound? What if it's shone? Is it not cyan? Yeah, I think it's sion. Hang on. Let me, I always read. Here's what it is. A word you shouldn't say unless you, you know, a word I shouldn't say. That's what it is unless, you know, never use like a

vocab word that you don't know what the pronunciation is. That may be the most trenchant lesson we learned from this entire episode. I mean, anyone could, they could apply that to my life. Here is the according to a unchecked site or page on YouTube. Here we go. Science. Science. Science. Science.

Science. That sounds nicer. Okay. Right? Like Shiano. Like Shiano. Is it Siano? She on.

Like, she gone. She gone. A new gym. By the way, you got to stick with this coach I hired and Shermer. Oh, and I really believe in Drew Locke and I'm your boss and I'm the hero and ownership's all kind of changing. Here you go. Yeah, right. This reminds me of the Jets set up like after they fired the GM.

Like it just, it's, it's right. It's like if things go poorly, it's your fault, new GM. If things go well, it was me that did it. And also, Faggio is your boy until he's not. And if you fire him. on you too because you should have thought better than to keep him on you should have lobbied with me and I would have sided with you it's a it's a it's a viper pit up there in Denver hey don't say that about my job uh in other news of the Vikings they're going to have a new offensive

coordinator because Gary Cuviac he's expected to retire uh how about that uh we led we led with the show we led the show talking about the defensive coordinator of the eagle stepping away from the league. Kubiak now also expected to step away. Obviously, Gary's had some health issues in the past, and he stepped into a more prominent role this year, but I guess it's going to be one and done with Minnesota as the OC. I wonder if these two stories are connected.

I saw someone wonder about it, whether Kubiak could be heading back to Denver, you know, in the front office or something. We've done this show long enough. We've done Kubiak retirements before. Yep. So we probably we should just, Ricky, go find that and replay what we said.

Sometimes you can't keep a good band down. It's sometime in the next last five years. Just go check it out. Kubiak took a stroke in the middle of the damn game like 10 years ago and he's still doing it. You can't keep Gary Kubiak off the sideline. No, he was sort of like the poster boy for these coaches are working

too many hours, you know, and it's and it wasn't untrue. I mean, there are whispers that Clint Kubiak could become Mike Zimmer's next offensive coordinator, the son of Gary Kuback. He's hiring his six play caller in six years. By the way, I mean, he took

Kubiak came there and Stefansky was there last year. The offense wasn't their problem. That was the best offense I think they've probably had since Mike Zimmer's been there. There is heat also that Anthony Lynn could be the offensive coordinator here in Minnesota. Keep an eye

on that. Anthony Lynn will be hired very quickly for to be added to someone's staff, and that will be a major repeated notebook item come August about what he's bringing to the coaching staff and the locker room, you know, Clint Kubiak, that's a name. And it goes back, I don't want to belabor this point, but like Arthur Smith, even we went with Artie Smith or, you know, special delivery Smith, like still not a lot of buzz. But if it was Clint Kubiak who was running that offense in Tennessee. I think he's getting Robert Sala type attention right now. You're not wrong.

It's all about the name. Well, he's got, he's got the nice, I hope he inherited the nice hair from his dad, too. Do you like the double K though? He goes Clint with a K. You know, two K's, you're only one away from three. It's right. That's tricky. That's problematic. That's problematic. Territory in society. I don't like that, but, you know, at the same time, who am I to judge? Greg, you have three Gs. Some people might say that that's, Mark, you have it with a C. You guys are all outside the box. It could be too much.

Do you ever feel that life would be different if you had a name spelled the proper way, the correct way? Which one of us are you speaking to? Both. I mean, I don't like the name Greg at all, but I like it better with an extra G. At least it gave me the whole 60% G bit, you know. Nice bit.

You know, it's good. I would never want to switch to become Mark with a K at this point. We've gotten this far. It feels that would be an absurd move back to the median, back to the middle. Mark would have seen. You can check with Social Security to see how popular names are over the years. And I have checked as no one names their kid Greg anymore. Like no one.

It's not even in the top thousand. It's over. It's over. It's like Tiffany. It's over. It's over. It's got hot in the 80s and then that was it. It was game over.

And other news. So Kubiak expected to retire. Now, Philadelphia, Doug Peterson. Some people wondered about Doug. Was he going to survive? And then there was the fiasco yesterday last night on Sunday night football, where the Eagles brought in Nate Sudfeld. How to get a look at Nate Sudfeld,

which essentially eliminated for all intents and purposes, the Giants from having a chance to win that division. Boo-hoo, you won six and ten. But let's get back on track here. Peterson and Howie Roseman did a press conference together. so Doug's not going anywhere and the general manager, Howie Roseman, spoke on the topic of Carson Wentz, who of course lost his starting job to Jalen Hertz,

and there's been a lot of media speculation about a fallout and a fractured relationship between Doug Peterson, the head coach, who's going to stay the head coach, and Carson Wentz and the possibility of a trade. Here's what Howie Roseman said in the spin machine on Monday. So when you have players like that, they're like fingers on your hands. You know, you can't even imagine that they're not part of you, that they're not here.

And, you know, that's how we feel about Carson. That's like the most non-answer ever, by the way. It's a bunch of descriptive language. But then when you really drill down on it, it means absolutely nothing at all. I mean, I throw a few of those responses around on this show, so, you know, no arrows towards Howie. Marcus is good at that. He knows how to dodge. Yeah, they never said they never promised not to.

They said all the reasons they loved Carson Wentz in the first place. Like, they still believe in that. The Wentz-Peterson thing seems more germane. It was weird press conference because everyone's remote. And they asked all the questions to Howie because they never get Howie Roseman. Like Doug Peterson just like sat there. And they know the score that Wentz, these reports that are come out, they got to come from somewhere.

and it really seems like it's Wence's camp that's putting it out there and trying to get a divorce and that they do have a problem with the coach and if the coach is staying I put two and two together there. Well, and Wence refused to speak to the media today, so

he doesn't sound like a happy camper to me necessarily. I mean, I think it's like the kind of, Howie Roseman's saying the kind of thing that you say when you might still be stuck in this relationship at training camp and you don't want to, you know, suggest anything other than he's a finger on my hand and I would never cut it off.

Well, I don't buy a word of it if the right situation comes to allow them to cleanse themselves of this pretty terrible off-season storyline that I'd like them to cleanse it so that we can be rid of it. But it doesn't sound like that's the plan right now. Yeah, if Carson Winston had signed that huge contract extension, this is probably, you know, a non-starter. It's going to be, he'll be moved and fresh start for both sides. and the Eagles recoup a draft pick and either, you know, get behind Nate Sudfeld as the backup quarterback of the future

or they invest in another quarterback in the room to join Dalen Hertz, who knows. But because of that contract, they might be stuck together. I just found it funny that his choice of words, like as if, you know, just because you can't imagine him not being there, that doesn't mean anything.

I mean, you're going to get rid of them if you can, but maybe they don't know if they can. Well, and is the end result that, like, you know, one of the more white-knuckle hard-scrabbled group of beat writers in America are supposed to go away from that press conference thinking no more questions they're all in on Oh my gosh I watched a little bit of it looking for that and man their questions are so brutal They're just like like the question that led to that was like how do you explain that Carson Wentz had the biggest regression of any quarterback in the history of sports and embarrassed our city

Like that was like the question it's like how he's just like humana howma it howie's answer is The alternative is to do... I'm pissed off, Angelo. The alternative is to do what Nagy and Ryan Pace did last year and just lie about Mitchell Trubisky, you know, or whatever they were doing. Doug, how did you feel having to get up and put on a shirt and comb your hair for that press conference

and then nobody wants to ask you a question? How did you feel about that? I'm pissed off, Angelo. I get it. I totally get it. What do you think about Carson Wentz? and him, you know, leaking all the stuff to the media causing an issue with your organization?

I'm pissed off, Angelo. What about the giants and their fans thinking that you're the antichrist for pulling Jalen Hertz from the game? I'm pissed off, Angelo. Okay. See, we asked the hard-hidden questions. You did? Yes, yes. That's true.

All right. That's a Dan Hansis shout out. All right. Let's now, hey, Paul. Let's now look to real quick before we sign off here, a couple of wildcard super, excuse me, super wildcard weekend games and some injury issues connected to teams. Jared Gough, we talked about it on Sunday.

He was throwing the football around over the weekend and maybe trending toward returning for the Saturday game against the Seahawks. Well, Rapsheet reported on Monday that it will be, quote, challenging for Jared Gough to return in time for the Seahawks game. Maybe, Greg, maybe. Sean McVeigh doesn't need his quarterback to rush back

after John Wolford played okay this week. I don't know. I started asking around, just curious. I don't think anyone would know that. They would never reveal that. But I think that's a theory going around that Sean McVeigh would not mind seeing what John Wolford could do with the start in Seattle because he just saw what

goth did in Seattle and it was not great. I mean, the situation. Which would be crazy. It'd be so crazy. But it also isn't. If you look at the way McVeigh's, sorry for interrupting. If you look at the way McVeigh called plays like you could see his lack of confidence in Goff.

I mean, if that happened and it played out and, you know, I read this report that, you know, they're heading to the Pacific Northwest and it might be 47 degrees with a chance of rain and you don't want to put Goff in that situation. Okay, I guess you want to put a guy who'd be playing his second NFL game ever in that situation. But if it plays out that way, I'm sorry, but it's sort of the West Coast version of some of the Carson Wentz dynamics. I mean, you've just given Gough a ton of money. Are you going to go into the offseason with this being the storyline that is attached to your team? I hope this isn't, there isn't like a, is John Wolford better than Jared Gough conversation happening right now?

Because that's absurd. The L.A. The L.A. Times ran a college. them today. Now, I think it was kind of ridiculous, saying like they had to start Walford. You know, this is, this is what happens in, in fandom and in journalism, too. People get annoyed with certain players and quarterbacks obviously will bear the brunt of this because they're so highly visible and so important to the team. And when a quarterback that has a track record of not just success, but like all pro level play, which there was a period where Jard Gough did that a couple of years ago, that is all out the window.

now and now he's not even as good as the Arizona hot shot signal caller from the AAF. What about the Brian Flores method? This would make more sense to me. If Jared Gough can play, start Jared Gough, and if he can't play the guitar after, you know, a quarter or two on Sunday or Saturday, then you bring in your little hero, Johnny Walford. You could play both guys. This isn't baseball. You know, it's, you could go back and forth if you wanted to. Maybe flip it. Start Walford because, you know, he, because you know, because you Yeah, he's the best quarterback in town. And if it doesn't work out...

Go get Jim Everett. Bring in Jim Everett, have Everett play the first quarter, Mark Bulger the second, bringing Gopher the third, and close it out with Johnny Wolford in that RPO game. Remember when backups would go on, you know, playoff run? And I'm sure, it's happened recently, too. I'm like, remember when it's like nothing like a good John, Jeff Hostetler or Frank Reich little playoff run or something. Someone named Nick Foles would fit the bill.

There you go. Yeah, that would make sense. What about the Who was the Denver Broncos coach this year That was like I can play quarterback on Sunday Get him in the game

Give him a couple snaps See if he can play the good time He deserves it Finally Mark Bad news on the Defensive line of the Cleveland Browns Olivier Vernon

Has been placed on injured reserve He tore his kidney On Sunday He had nine sacks second on the team to Miles Garrett. And it is not good, not good for Vernon, who's a pending free agent, and not good for the Browns whose defense isn't too hot to begin with, and now you take away one of their top playmakers on defense.

Yeah, they're really thin at that position. You know, it sounds like Adrian Claiborne is the guy that would step in. And Claiborne isn't a guy that can shift from right to left because of the birth defect that he deals with. And so, I mean, that kind of just tells you that Pittsburgh, can spend the week scheming for Miles Garrett on one side, stacked their protection there. And here's the worst formula for Cleveland. I mean, you can't get to Big Ben, but the Steelers can get to Baker Mayfield.

And there's a very easy mental pathway to imagine that being the case. This is a big loss. He was playing, you know, I don't think he had a great season last year, but Vernon was playing really well for them this year. And I'd go point to that Eagles game where he caused absolute total havoc and won a, you know, AFC defensive player of the week. So it's a huge loss at the worst time. Yeah, he was playing great.

They need Ward back. They need Denzo Ward back. All right. And you're going to get a full breakdown of Steelers Browns, ramp Seahawks, and all the super wild card games on Thursday when we dig in on every game that we play this weekend. That's going to be a lot of fun. We also have a totally different episode on NFL Network that is,

airing this weekend that is also, you know, a look ahead to wild card week, super wild card weekend. So check that out on NFL Network. It airs right when, like if you have a three-year-old, like two hours before he wakes up. That's the first. I think we're in prime time at a normal time on Friday. And then it's also on. Yeah, I thought the worst word of a better placement.

We're on Friday. Ricky. We're on Friday night. Ricky? I don't know the answer. Oh, come on. You're a producer. It's on 3 p.m. or something.

Friday afternoon, correct. Yeah. Okay, that's good. And re-air. And re-airs. Yeah. That's what it's all about. Huge.

Huge. Huge playoff slots. So put the three-year-old in the backyard and sit down and watch the show. Put a hoodie on it. It's getting cold out there. It. All right. That's it.

Yeah, so we have that show coming up. Oh, wait, you were just talking about Olivia, right? Well, Olivia. Because Olivia Wilde is now with Harry Stiles, so just wanted to bring that full circle. Yeah, that's been a big news item today. I've read a little bit about that, yep. Just wanted to let you know. Where do you come down on that?

I think it's great. I think it's great. When he was 18, he said he'd date someone as old as his mom. So that's younger. Olivia Wilde's way younger. That guy makes a lot of the right moves. He moves the needle, he dresses in a certain way, he seems to appeal across genders and all sorts of things, and now he's going for the older woman market. He was with Taylor Swift for a while.

Running the gambit. Where do you come down on styles as a recording artist, Mark? I actually think he's very talented. I do, and I listened to a little bit of the group he was with. I don't know them very well, but One Direction. Our kids like some of their songs when they were younger. So I think he is actually like an ultra-talented dude and good for him. Handsome love too.

Much of the world is very handsome, British. You know, he's been in a couple movies. He's an actor. He can do it all. If you're old enough, you know George Michael was the biggest British pop star in the world 30 years ago. And then about 20 years ago, Robbie Williams, he had a big. big run there. Now it's Harry Stiles' time. And we just got to get out of the

way and enjoy it and take all that watermelon sugar. Take all that we can handle. Even if we get the diabetes. Greg, final word to you. Yeah, what do you think about him in dresses? Greg, go. I can't say I'm too familiar with Harry's work, but I do love me some of Olivia Wilde, so he

has terrific taste. Owee! Libia Wild driving Greg Wilde. How about that? That's quite a revelation-latan show? I mean, I don't think I'm like, that's a, it's not a, you know, a sneaky corner to be on or anything. Ah. All right. Good. No show tomorrow. We'll be back on Thursday. Thank you to everybody for listening. We've given you plenty of content in the last 24 hours. So please be thankful. Leave us alone. Don't say negative things. Don't criticize what we do. We're trying our best to give you

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