NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - The Good, the bad and the Cowboys

Episode Date: July 31, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler – deliver a super-sized edition of the news, including a discussion on whether the Cowboys spent wisely on left tackle Tyron Smith. The guys then put their prediction hats on during another round of “What’s More Likely?”Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the League podcast. Wants to play into their 40s. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by Root-The-Herosthieros, Chris Wessling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys?

Hey, Dan. How you doing? Great. How are you? I am doing just well. That's good, good, good. We just found out Greg does not like people who lived in the 19th century. Oh, I didn't say that because I wouldn't want to be one.

I threw it out there downstairs. Who would you rather be General Robert E. Lee or Scott Norwood, the former Bill's kicker? It's terrible. Most people came down at Scott Norwood, but Greg was the only one that was outright dismissive that anyone would ever live before the 20th century, correct? I wasn't dismissive. I'm saying I'd rather be in a relatively rough situation in... In 2014, maybe you don't have the best job in the world, whatever, not a lot of free income. Or then be the president in 1840.

Or be one of the richest people in the world in 1840. At best, you're losing three or four of your eight children. You're losing teeth. You've got sexually transmitted diseases. It's terrible. That you're lucky. Number one, all those things are possible in the modern age. It's possible.

But you're picking what is a guy who broke the heart of the state. state of New York and Bill's fans everywhere. You'll live with that for the rest of your life. I thought you're still talking about Robert E. Lee. I was like, hmm. It's not his fault. I'm sure he's a good guy. That's their problem.

Bill's fans should forget. I think Dan raises a good point here. If you're Robert E. Lee, right about now, you are probably laying on your hammock, reading a book about your own exploits. What are you talking about? With a nice glass of lemonade or ice tea in your hand? It sounds idyllic. There was no electricity.

There was nothing. This sprung off a question that I asked Dan and Wesleyan, initially of whether you would rather spend a year living in close proximity in a studio apartment with Matt Lauer or Jay Leno. Yeah. And Leno won out hands down. He's got stories. This is why there's nothing on the website today.

We have a great show today, the Wednesday edition of the Around the League podcast, supersized news because there's so much news right now in training camp that we're going to go through multiple items and offer hot takes, touch of mirth. But real analysis, when you listen to the show. show you come out of it thinking, well, I know more about the NFL today. That's what the Rwantley-Loghast is all right. You know, he'd learn Cote Liarla and all sorts of things. Yeah, in the presence of true genius.

By the way, Colt Lailala is on the fifth on the death chart right now. Yeah, we'll see. For the Packers. It's late July. You're saying we maybe spent too much, too many posts on this answer. So it might not be better than Gronk? All right. Potentially.

We're also going to play. We're going to bring back one of our favorite games of the Reran on the League podcast. Of course, it is What's More Likely. What's More Likely? Which will be exciting. Everybody loves What's More Likely. I'll put on my wink, Martindale Cap. But before

that, like we said, a lot of news. And to do the news, you've got to touch base with the producer. And in this case, the great TD is in Canton not being enshrined in the Hall of Fame, which to me was initially surprising. Turns out he's just doing some grunt work over there. So in his place, as a man, we don't really know, but we want to get to

know him his name is zach how you doing buddy how you doing guys thanks for uh let me join your podcast how nervous are you to be around this level of greatness i'm pretty nervous i think so i did walk i did see you walking out of the building yesterday and i did i said get ready for the biggest day at your career i know i know i haven't i didn't sleep much last night you know i even had tv coming yesterday on his day off to teach me more stuff so well well i got i got a good feeling about this zach why don't we start with doing some news And we won't even hold it against Zach that he doesn't have any cute send-up

with the news music. You know, what are you going to do, Zach? That's why someday maybe TD will be in the Hall of Fame. They do induct, you know, writers and media members and maybe they'll say 50 years from now, a revolutionized podcast. I thought you said maybe he'll get in the Hall of him when he preps his replacement to know how to do something like that.

Once we get into a regular studio, not this cold chamber with the actual board, I'm going to be able to have a lot of drops, a lot of sound effects. I can even do my own stuff. sound effects to record if you like. I can roll with that. He is outdoing TD all of a sudden with his suggestions and promises. This sounds very good. All right. Let's do some news. All right. Again, why not? All right, let's start in Arizona where Patrick Peterson has

reached a five-year extension to remain locked in with the Arizona Cardinals. Peterson says the deals worth 70 million with 48 million guaranteed NFL media insider Ian Rappaport it confirmed that Peterson is now the highest paid cornerback in the league. Gentlemen, obviously, for some reason, in the last year or two, it's become very important amongst the cornerbacks of the league, the elite ones anyway, to figure out who's best. The money now says that it is Patrick Peterson. Do you guys think that he was deserving of best cornerback in the league type money?

I do. I think if you take Richard Sherman out of the Seattle scheme and you just line up Peterson or Sherman, and you ask all the general managers in the league, who would you rather have? Peterson or Sherman? I think most of them take Peterson. I'd take 30 of them take Peterson.

All right, so the Seahawks take Sherman. Hopefully not one of them being the... Gus Bradley. All right, Jack, Jackson. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a matter of timing. Had Sherman not had a deal before Peterson, he'd be the highest paid guy. And it's been a good summer for cornerbacks because Joe Hayden got paid too. And there is a fun rivalry between Peterson and Sherman.

And Peterson tweeted out, Are You Mad, Bro? Something like that in reference to, of course, what Richard Sherman sent out that photo with Tom Brady. That kind of got Sherman really on the grid nationally. And then Sherman replied with a tweet that had a picture of a Super Bowl ring on his hand and said, nah, or something like that. I like that. That's a little bit of fun. That's social media fun. Plus Darnell Docket's kind of talking some trash about the Seahawks.

There is a genuine dislike and rivalry between the Cardinals and the Seahawks. Seahawks and the 49ers that makes that division a lot more fun. It's amazing that Peterson's getting this money because he's kind of had an up and down career. He wasn't always thought of as the best cornerback by any means. I agree, but there are a lot of people who view him as the best athlete in the NFL, and that's why he's getting paid. In the NFL, you don't always get paid on what you've done. You get paid on what your potential is.

And he doesn't have Earl Thomas behind him in that kind of a scheme. They do have a secondary, though, that I think a year or two from now will be viewed right up there with Seattle. There's a lot of young talent there. Right. In a league where zone coverage and safety is over the top are the norm, Peterson is a rare cornerback that actually covers the other team's best wide receiver and trails them around. Let's talk about more handing out money.

And the Cowboys who love handing out money, the richest contract for a non-quarterback in franchise history was given out. NFL Media Insider Ian Rappaport reports that the Cowboys have reached agreement with Tyron Smith on an eight-year $98 million contract. Oh, my goodness. Smith has two years left on his rookie deal but now he's connected to the Cowboys for the next 10 years at $109 million overall

Smith got a $10 million signing bonus and $40,000 million guaranteed that is a wild amount of money is he worth it, Chris Wesleying? Absolutely. He's already been to a pro bowl. He's entering his fourth season and is only 23 years old and in my opinion is the one guy in the NFL

with a chance to have like an Anthony Munoz type of career. Wow. And, you know, Joe Thomas, when he signed his mega deal, the money looked outrageous. It's now looking affordable because if you find that left tackle, and these are the guys that do last for a decade plus, this will look beautiful. In fact, this might not even be his last deal. They may restructure this thing down the road to give him more money. Maybe Jerry Jones just looking for some positive news in Dallas.

Like, who is the one player we can actually give some money to and everyone will be happy? No, it is totally worth it. Every time something bad happens in Dallas, Jerry Jones gives money to? someone? Pretty much. I mean, you love signing his own players, and this is a good one. And another reminder why it's better to be living in 2014. They're not handing out $100 million contracts. The guys in 1840, football didn't even exist.

Here, go run around with this pigskin bladder, and we'll come back and pay you a lot of money. Greg, let's station you at left tackle of the Cowboys line and see where you are by Sunday night. Probably in a grave, I would assume. You'd probably die, Greg, I would think. I would think. And, by the way, stay tuned for the end of the podcast because we're going to have Greg and Mark Sessler together. They're going to discuss an extension for Mark. Mark looking for a raise.

We're going to do it live on this podcast. Like that. Let's get some urgency. We mentioned bad news, by the way, for the Cowboys. There was some bad news for the team. DeMarcus Lawrence, the number 34 overall pick in May's draft is out eight to 12 weeks after suffering a broken foot at training camp. This takes him an injury that will take him into the regular season. and obviously it's a terrible thing to happen for a rookie

when they need that valuable time and training camp to get acclimated to playing at this level. Now he's going to be out of the mix and come back in the middle of the season, which can't be great. Bad news there for the Cowboys. Who's rushing the passer for them? The team has nothing to offer.

He's doing anything on their defense. I don't know. It must just feel like it's 2013 all over again. Sean Lee's out for the year already. You lose a promising pass rusher just like they did last year. They're starting defensive ends are who? George Selvey and Jeremy Mincy?

Ooh, that's pretty grim. I was, because, you know, NFL Network's been unfolding this endless sit down at Cowboys Camp and give you footage of every practice. What are you saying? Wow, what kind of tone is? I'll tell you why the tone is because, again, and I brought this up 15 or 16 times, no matter what the Cowboys do, they're gushed over endlessly. And I was looking at them saying this is the most depressing team in the entire league.

right now. If you're a fan of the Calvets, what about us? They are more depressing. They don't exist. They're right. The Titans have no expectations. Stop. They have Tyron Smith, one of the best left tackles.

They have Ted's Bryant. They have Tony Romo. They have to Markleman. They're going to give up 35 points a game. And they might score 30. Free fantasy advice. Stock up on Cowboys. They're going to need to score 40 every game.

Mark, I think what you're getting at is that this is a depressing team from the standpoint that they have virtually no Super Bowl chances. but they could potentially be exciting in that there are a lot of shootouts. They could potentially hold the number one overall draft pick. Oh, I would bet 14 high octane sandwiches. Wow. By the way, your quarterback is 34 with the back of shoes. I feel a what's more likely question coming up.

I like it. All right. There's another tease later in the show in addition to Sessler's big money ploy at the end of the podcast. Well, I'm dealing with someone who does not like historical figures from the past. Give me a break. All right, let's do some more fun extension talk. one with the Green Bay Packers and general manager Ted Thompson, who gets signed to a multi-year deal.

I ask you, gentlemen, the Green Bay Packers haven't really won anything since 2011, but they have a very nice roster. So you have to say that Thompson obviously is a main reason for that, deserving of this. It's great news for the Packers because there was genuine concern that Thompson was thinking about retirement. And they made it a priority to sign him before Mike McCarthy, and their CEO, Mark Murphy, said Thompson is the key to this long run of success that they've had.

I would go with Aaron Rogers. But ultimately, Ted Thompson chose Aaron Rogers an unpopular, gutsy pick, and handled that whole thing. So you kind of see what he's talking about. It's an excellent sign for Thompson in terms of his talent when you have a guy like John Snyder that comes out of that system and say what you want about Reggie McKenzie, but he was thought very highly of before he inherited sort of a mess in Oakland. He's a good teacher, too. I think it's a solid move for Green Bay. There are a lot of great drafters in the NFL, Ozzie Newsom, the John Snyder,

Pete Carroll combo. But nobody stocks their roster with their own draft picks and undrafted free agents like Ted Thompson. They have one free agent over the last half dozen years, and that's Julius Peppers. I mean, he's just – and he have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL. He's just great at what he does. If you wanted to really nerd out, you could go to that article about Ted Thompson signing a contract, and I linked to a database that Chris Wesley has put together on Google something or other. It's just a spreadsheet with the Packers roster and the year they were drafted.

Do you press me with some fancy learning? I mean, it's a lot of, he thinks ahead. I mean, he's got those mid-round picks, and it's like when Donald Driver gets older and Greg Jennings gets older, and it's okay, you got Jordy Nelson and Cobb, you got Devante Adams coming, it's like he's thinking ahead. And the year they won this, to back your point up, the year they won that Super Bowl, they had how many guys on IR? I mean, it was outrageous.

Half the roster was on IRR. That's good general manager work when the back end of your roster is contributing to a Super Bowl win. Andre Reid is set to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this weekend. Andre Reid also likes to talk and share his opinions. The Bills wide receiver made his feelings very clear about Bon Jovi joining a Toronto-based group that could potentially move the team out of Orchard Park and the United States. potentially if they took over ownership of the team. And here was a quote from Andre Reid who brings a...

I would call this a hot take, gentlemen. Here it comes. Man, fuck on Jovey. You might as well just take this city, throw it in the river, and let it go down Niagara Falls. That's how he speaks. That's it. That was actually a sound bite we played. That wasn't me.

Not a fan of, you know, once popular rockers. I guess I'd put that read in that category. I am with Andre Reid on every sentiment there. Really? I do not want to see the bills leave Buffalo. I think that would be a tragedy. I've actually been thinking about it. Like, Bon Jovi is still a touring act.

It would be a little tough for them to go play Buffalo now, wouldn't it? Oh, certainly. Well, especially if he, you know, joins onto a group that tugs the bills to Toronto. I think they can live with the loss of income that those rock-solid Buffalo shows are bringing Bon Jovi. Wait, why are you denigrating Western New York? I'm not denigrated. I'm saying they can live by skipping one town on the roster. I think they have enough money.

It's like we'll live with skipping one listener who tweeted us after the last time we talked about Bon Jovi and said he was never listening again because we were too rough on the old rock star. Oh, that's true. Well, if Andre Reid gets his way and there's no Bon Jovi. Sorry, William Jovi. I think that'd be fine. And it also sounds like Donald Trump, who is kind of in the mix for this thing, is really, was just being a phony about it. That was a Trump move.

It was the whole time it was funny. He knows he's not going to get it. So that's a good thing. And that's the worst. And we should also know, Andre Reid, in fairness, and I give him credit, did mention something about Canada himself. He acknowledged, this is all to New York Magazine, by the way, that he once went up to Toronto, and, man, I had a good-ass time up there.

I had a good-ass time. It's a long way from Kutztown State. Yes, I had a good-ass time when I went to Toronto once as well. Maybe Reed, who was a great player, is just trying to distract from the attention this week on the fact that he made the Hall of Fame and Marvin Harrison didn't. How did that happen? That's a low-level outrage.

I'm just saying, we're doing a little series this week, actually, on the website that you can check out. Dan Hansis wrote an article about why Kurt Warner should be in the Hall of Fame when he's eligible next year. Chris Wesleyan wrote one on Charles Haley, and you've got a special one coming up by Mark Sessler. I'll leave that as a secret. It's coming up. People are buzzing about Sessler's installed. Well, they've just discovered that it's happening about four seconds ago. It's coming up on Thursday, though.

Sometime Thursday, it'll be on the site. Look for it. And the site is NFL.com. slash around the league. Apparently. You had me on the edge of my seat for that. That drew a laugh from the distance from our producer. It took a while.

That was the first laugh, Wesley. 15 minutes in or whatever. Mark Davis acknowledged recently, that's Oakland Raiders owner, Mark Davis, acknowledged that he met with San Antonio City's officials. You know, the Raiders obviously have a situation going on with their stadium, their leases up after this year. Here is a quote from Mark Davis on the issue.

I was in San Antonio to honor Cliff Branch on his induction into the P-V-I-L-K, Mark, a group that you're associated with. P-V-I-L-C-A, Dan. Oh, thank you. Former San Antonio Mayor Henry Kisneros, is that correct, Mark? Is a friend? And Henry suggested I take the opportunity to meet with some of the city officials. While we were in town, I have nothing further to discuss.

Gus on the topic. Is this something, the San Antonio Raiders, could this happen, or is this what you would call a classic leverage move by an owner and a team that needs a new stadium? I think it could happen. I think the Raiders are going to look at other places, too, if they're serious about this. I know that we're not supposed to go wild with our analysis here, but at the same time, because it's, it's unknown. At the same time, the Saints use San Antonio.

Shadowy league figures in track suits? Absolutely. Right, whatever you just said. This is backroom politics. It's just, this happens all the time. The NFL does not frown on owners gaining leverage because they want the owners to make a good deal for themselves. The other owners, I think, agree that the Raiders need a new stadium. And they're going to, because all of them could find themselves in that same boat at some point.

I have an idea. How about the Raiders go to Toronto? Well, one of the. That's a terrible line. Why? That is the worst idea I've ever heard. Who was it? Jerry McDonald predicted.

that the Raiders will be out of Oakland within five years. This is a guy who's covered for the team for 20 years. He knows about as much as you could possibly know. And I do think we're at an interesting point in terms of relocation for a lot of teams because instead of just one stadium issue being up in the air, Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times wrote about it a couple weeks ago. It was a great article how the Chargers, the Rams, and the Raiders, all kind of up at the same time, all maybe looking around Los Angeles,

is sitting out there. And I do think there's going to be more and more of these stories, especially with the Raiders. By the way, one thing, whatever, if it's the Raiders, whoever else, one of these teams at some point is moving to London, and I have come up with the perfect NFL-related name. They would be the London ex-patriots. And when they play the actual Patriots, think of that game.

What a showdown. That would be. The expats. She put it on Sunday night football. Al and Chris, get him in. We should point out that not since 1982, when Al Davis sued the NFL, has the NFL been? able to block an owner wanting to move wherever he wants to move.

It was interesting because the first quote from the league on this matter, which was in the original report in the San Antonio Express News, was essentially that it caught them by surprise. Greg Ayello made the statement. He said, you know, we don't have anything to say because this is the first we've heard about it. Champ Alley is a 12-time pro bowler who was signed to the New Orleans States as a... By the way, do you have a problem with the way I say New Orleans, Greg? I saw something on Twitter.

Well, I don't, but, yeah, one of our New Orleans Twitter followers did mention that I should step up as someone that, you know, lived in New Orleans for a while to point out to you. It's not New Orleans, it's not New Orleans. New Orleans is a soft rock band that's saying you're still the one, aren't they? I think that's nice. All right, let me try this again. He was trying to educate. Champ Alie, 12-time Pro Bowler, signed by the Nolins Saints to be the final piece of their secondary. And here's the thing.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Here's the thing. He might not have anything left, or at least according to Greg Bedard of the Monday morning quarterback, who said that Bailey has, quote, lost the step and is much stiffer in the hips at age 36.

And then there was this enlightening little piece of analysis from Bedard. I'll quote it. It's early, but it would not be a shock if Bailey, who has just 500,000 guaranteed on his contract, doesn't make the team. The Saints have some promising young defensive backs who might have to be kept

undrafted free agent, Pierre Warren, for instance, was making plays all over the field. Greg, you said yesterday downstairs, you were kind of jogging your memory, trying to figure out guys who, great players that maybe hung on a little too long and ended up having to be shown the door, that could be Bailey by the end of the summer. Right. We came up with Jerry Rice, you know, ended his career with the Broncos in training camp. Terrell Owens ended his career with the Seattle Seahawks. I don't know if any...

Ed Reed? Ed Reed. I mean, he played the whole season. Who made the final cut, by the way, over Rice in Denver that year? Oh, Darius Watts was on that team. Darius Watts party. A guy named Todd DeVoe was in the mix. Darius Watts, Marshall, I think.

I believe so. A second round pick, and you hope this isn't the end. It would be a sad way for a 12-time Pro Boulder to go out, but it's a good reminder. Everyone's made it like, ooh, Bailey and Jaris Bird coming to the world. It's like Bailey is a 36-year-old cornerback. You can't move them. You know, there were some talk in the past of Bailey shifting into safety, even back with the... You can't do that in New Orleans.

It makes no sense because... No, you got it. That was good. There we go. I learned from Dan, though. The big easy. The big easy. You've got Bird?

The Crescent City. You've got Kenny Vicaro. I will just to sit here and attempt to get one sentence out. Sorry, John. Go on. Old man, Cessler. Jeez, Louise. Fired up.

Go on. This Cessler hamilton is really one. one of my favorite new development. Let's let you talk, please. No, I'd say shifting him to safety is just, it's a trinket. You're not going to do it. We should point out that this does not mean that he's definitely getting cutting. No, no, not at all.

Just one guy's opinion. He could turn it around and play fine. He probably won't be a starter. I mean, probably the best you can hope is he's a decent role player. Like shocker, 36-year-old cornerback, not fast in the hips. We're all a little stiffer in the hips right now. Hey, it happens. Hey, now.

Age catches up with you. And in your defense, by the way, you know, there is like a famous song. with Louis Armstrong, do you know what it means to miss New Orleans? So it does get a little confusing. I never admitted that I was wrong. A lot of people pronounce it that way. Willie Nelson's song says it the way you did previously. Oh, yeah.

There's a better than Ezra song called King of New Orleans. That just seals the case. I'm backing hands us on this one. Great single. When you have better than Ezra backing you up, you've got everything. You know who I don't want to back me up because he's really annoying? Arient Foster, who hasn't really spoke, this is not really a news item, but I just want to say it's kind of annoyed me.

Yes, thank you. Arrian Foster has not really spoken with any of the local reporters in Houston during OTAs and training camp. He had plenty of time for people when he was promoting Draft Day, which obviously made less than $10 million in its opening weekend to the box office, did not do well. But they finally spoke with him today. Reporters spoke to Aaron Foster. He granted access and gave the same exact answer 11 times in 90 seconds. And here's the answer. I'm just out here trying to be the best teammate I can be

And I'm going to work hard at doing that No matter what question he got He answered that Arienne Foster's got to calm down Because he's not as funny and as smart as he thinks he is Hot Take Wow Enough with you know the ponderous Twitter feed

And now you have this You know what that's annoying I don't think that's funny or cute Well if you can I get something off my chest About someone being annoying Do it The Akron Beacon Journal Get a grip

You've lost all perspective on life and football. Johnny Mansell had a beer with a couple of teammates at a local tavern yesterday. They have an off day today. Yeah. And the Akron Beacon Journal blew it way out of proportion, lost all perspective on what's important in life and football. Not in defense of the Akron Beacon Journal, but it was busted coverage, which is a sports gossip site, that posted the photos. But then a reporter from that paper then took and turned it into a post. It's even worse, I think.

Use the Mike Evans quote saying, who Mike Evans is. former teammate who said that you won't see Johnny going out once camp starts. Johnny Manzell on this off day gets a beer. What's going on with that, by the way? Let's not turn Johnny Manzell into Brangelinea now or something. By the way, he was out with the rest of Cleveland's quarterback room, which no one will bother mentioning. Any football book you read, it's all, you know, from the 60s and 70s.

It's all filled with the hijinks of the players sneaking out and sneaking out and getting wasted at the local bar that's near the Steelers training camp, but who cares? It's like six o'clock at night. Team bonding. This is a time to bond. This is why the modern media cannot have nice things. Because here we had served up in a silver platter, potentially an evolutionary Namath guy who likes to party and drink

and hang out with hot chicks and potentially win a lot of football games. But we're not even going to let that happen. We're going to bury him and treat them like a caged animal, taking cell phone shots and then sending it off to gossip websites. Couldn't agree with you more. And I think anyone that wants to critique Mansell or if you want to get on board and write a full story, about the other quarterbacks going out and having a beer, go live for six months in a row

in a one-bedroom apartment in Berea, Ohio. See how long it takes you to escape and go get a beer somewhere. Especially if your complex is built on an Indian burial ground as the Browns is it. I would do like if the media treated you the same way they did Johnny Mansell. I would be fired.

Yes, you definitely would be fired. You would go postal. That's a good point. You wouldn't have to do anything extra than what you already do. No, I'm saying it would just be shining a light on my activities. Oh, that's true. All right, and that's what's happening.

Ex-male man ponies up to Tavern Barstool. All right, so we have not played this game in a while, but it's time because, as we hinted last week with the regular season approaching, we have a lot of things lined up. So let's bring back one of our favorite games. It's called What's More Likely. What's More Likely? So I will put on my wink, Martindale cap, or skinny tie. and go around the table, or I'll just throw things out there,

and then you gentlemen will chime in. And I'll start with this one. What's more likely? Johnny Mansell is a week one starter, or Teddy Bridgewater is a week one starter. Well, we know. Wesley, you know. I need to start it out with a goddamn.

I have said all along. I think they both will start week one, but I will say, for the record, Johnny Manzell would be my pick. Yeah, I think actually I'm going to go, Bridgewater. From the Browns fan. That's tough.

It's a tough call. What's your reasoning here? I think Bridgewater has won over Norv Turner. We talked with us on the last show, and Mansell, I think, will open as a sub-package guy that they use and roll out Hoyer because it's Pittsburgh against Dick LeBow. Can I just point out one thing? Because when we got into it on the last show,

and Wes rightly was pointing out, everyone thinking or a lot of people thinking that the job is now Hoyer's without anything really happening. The media on the same level is doing the same thing in Minnesota where all of a sudden North Turner loves Teddy Bridgewater, but we really haven't seen these guys play really in practice or been in any preseason game. So that seems a little premature too

that he seems now to be the favorite to get that job. Well, I think with both, I mean, the thing we agreed upon last week was that preseason games, even though it's a small sample size, could totally blow away anything we think today. Well, and we don't have the option to say neither, because I would say neither. But since you've got to play the game, I would actually go Mansell, barely.

I don't think either one has a great chance. I've thrown his support behind me. I like it. It's not really. I don't think either one has a very good chance. And we also speaking, one of our listeners, Jason Zumwalt on Vine, cooked up a great video of... It's fantastic. And we tweeted it out yesterday, if you want to find it, but of him preparing softball pants in his kitchen after watching Total Access.

on NFL network. So people are talking, people are planning now, Wes, for you to be eating polyester and zipper and other composite parts. Well, you know why he might have started cooking it

after watching Total Access, watching some of those throws man's all made yesterday. It was kind of a real light reel. Three interceptions, some ducks out there. I'm just saying. That's good for a brown's quarterback.

It wasn't a good day. What's more likely? Jay Cutler wins MVP, as his teammate, Brandon Marshall believed. He said that today on Inside Training. Camp Live. Jay Cutler wins MVP or Josh McCown throws for 4,000 yards. Easily Josh McCown throwing for 4,000 yards.

I have to go McCown, more so because I don't believe Cutler is the guy that's going to ever win an MVP. Well, sure, they're both long shots. I love me some Jay Cutler. Me too. Tasty. MVP is tough. 4,000 yards in today's NFL, not that that tough. The Brown's quarterback to find for 4,000 yards. Right, Dan? He almost did. That was your prediction.

They didn't give him a chance. If they would have just given him a chance, they showed no patience. Fair point by Dan. Jane Cutler is the MVP of conversion vand. That's true. All right, so that's been settled. We move forward. What's more likely?

Marshawn Lynch's hold out less into the regular season, or Marshaun Lynch gets a new contract. That's an interesting one. I'm going to go Marshawn Lynch's holdout last until the regular season. I think the Seahawks have come out publicly. They've said what they're going to say. You can't back off of that now. I'd expect Lynch will come in, but if it's one or the other.

So long, and here comes Kristen Michael. I'm really, this one is a good one because I think what they're going to do is they're going to not give him a new contract, and he'll be there for week one, but they're going to wipe away all the fines that he accrued over his whole. hold out. Chris? I feel like he's going to report without a new contract, but if I have to pick one of these options over the other, I will say the Seahawks sweetened the pot slightly

and get him to come in. We're kind of cheating with some of these answers. I started the trend. They're just going to throw like 500,000 from now on. They're going to say here's another 500,000. What's more likely? Ray Rice runs for 1,200 yards or Chris Johnson runs for 1,200 yards. Ooh, I like this one.

That's a great one. It wouldn't surprise me if either of them did. See, that's cheating again. Just answer the question. Let's see. Chris Johnson, because Ray Rice is definitely going to miss two games. And a bad person. I don't think this is hard.

I'm going Ray Rice. If someone's got to make the big rejuvenation and get the ball enough to do it, I know he's going to miss the two games. I'm still going Ray Rice. Do you forget that Bernard Pierce is one of the 10 best running backs in the NFL? Who says that? Who said that? Dan Hanses.

Oh, I would say check back on my list and find out if that's really what I said. Oh, top 15. Shut you down. I just shut you down. The Jets did say Chris Ivory's getting in the short yardage work. I'm going with Dan's Chris Johnson here from the Jets. Wait, wait, this is the second time in about three minutes. All the geniuses in the roundtable have called out a prediction I got wrong.

Who called the blowout of the Super Bowl three months before it happened? You did, and I don't disagree with you on Bernard Pierce. Sorry. Mark, go ahead. You guys are a bunch of jackals. I admire you standing up for yourself. It's about time. I believe that that Seahawks tweet, I backed you early on on that.

I thought that was balls. I didn't need to hit out of you, Mark. However, I'm going to go Chris Johnson because I think they'll quickly forget about Chris Ivory. If stem cell treatment received Chris Johnson, he got stem cells in the off season. I'm not quite sure what that does. But it sounds good. He's going to have a rebound year for a team that's going to run the ball. ton.

What's more likely? Brian Hoyer becomes the next Tom Brady or dinosaurs again roam the earth. That got a big laugh out of Zach. Traglidites. We'll see them again.

Of course, that's what Joe Thomas said yesterday or earlier this week about Brian Hoyer, the Cleveland Browns. Part of the Tom Brady mystique and the reason that my mom has known who Tom Brady is for a decade plus and my grandmother and everyone else, He is the quintessential, all-American boy.

He's got a great head of hair, and he plays quarterback. Well, Brian Hoyer is not going to be the next Tom Brady. And you're talking about the scope of the entire planet. I do not have a problem with the idea of dinosaur. Everything is cyclical. Dinosaurs probably will come back at some point. You know, we won't be here to get, I'll get that correct, but I'm not sure we'll be here to know about that. So you're going with dinosaurs?

Going dinosaurs. You think dinosaurs have a better chance to roam the earth than Hoyer does to get some sort of help on his receding hair lines? No, to win three Super Bowls, go to five for the same team. Wes Welker could hook him up with some new hair. Brian Hoyer is beyond receded hairline, by the way. He just receded. I'm going to go Hoyer. If only because I'd love to see what happens to Mark Sessler if that happens.

That would be fun. Too late in line. Too jaded already. Greg goes against the raptors. What? more likely Kurt Warner makes the Hall of Fame or Marvin Harrison

makes the Hall of Fame. This ties back to our series that we're working out right now. It has to be Marvin Harrison making it in next year over Kurt Warner in his first year. It made no sense that Harrison got left off. It just seemed like they were like let's get in Andre Reid while we can

and we'll let Harrison get in next year which I hate. It was a no-brainer and they missed it. Yeah, I don't really track the Hall of Fame as close leaves a sum, that sounds fine by me. I'll go with Greg. And he's my boss, so I'm just going to side with that. They both get in, but I have to say which one gets him first.

I'll go with Marvin. There was a four-year stretch of Marvin Harrison's career where he averaged 117 or 18 catches over 1,500 yards and 14 TDs. That's ridiculous. It's amazing. And I wrote in my post about Warner, sports are weird sometimes because if not for an Adam Venetieri kick,

and if not for a Santonio Holmes back-toe situation in the end zone. Warner came very close to winning three Super Bowls, and then we never even talk about whether Kurt Warner's in the Hallfam. He's in the discussion as one of the great quarterbacks ever. They didn't lose those games because of Warner, but because they didn't win them, history looks in him differently. I think he deserves it. Doesn't he have the three highest single game passing totals in NFL in Super Bowl history?

He had a unique career. One of the strangest careers where he came out of nowhere, showed up in his late 20s and became one of the best quarterbacks in the world, then became a jag, just another guy, for four straight years in the middle of the 2000s. And then again, he rose again when he got with Arizona. Of course, the cast around him played a big role, but he became that guy again. He had two periods over 10 years where he was a great, great quarterback, and then a weird period in the middle where he was basically a middle of the pack guy.

That got beaten out by Matt Liner, got benched for Matt Liner. Like this was a very strange career. He got beaten out by Matt Liner in the same way Michael Vick's going to be beaten out by Gino Smith. They're just going to hand him the job. Yeah. Josh McCown also beat out Kurt Warner once upon a time. That's fair. What's more likely?

Eli Manning posed 70% completion percentage where Mark Sessler is arrested for the assassination of William McKinley. Push. That seems fair. Who is it that said Eli's going to? That was the quarterbacks coach, whose name escapes me for the Giants. But Eli, who had a – I think I wrote in the poster this week, he had to throw 224 consecutive complete passes at the end of last season to get to 70%. His highest ever was 62%.

It was about 57 last year. 70 has only been done by six quarterbacks. I can't imagine Eli Manning in year 12 or whatever coming off a horrible season. Well, that offense will help, but he's not going to do that. Sorry, Mark. I'll bake you an apple pie with a file in it. you're going to jail for McKinley's death I will send you a Greta Garbo poster with a pickax

I just hope that Greg is the lead detective on this because he would be like this happened in the past It doesn't matter Well that's why Case closed That's why I'm going with McKinley I mean going with Eli His life's not that valuable

It happened in the 19th century Hey news flash guys McKinley's already dead Can't even happen You can go back there Can't even happen guys There's new DNA Cuts through the garbage DNA evidence that connects Mark

To that killing Right and I'm the lost character from Tuck Everlasting that's actually been alive since then. This is a cool case episode. No one knows what you're talking about. People live forever. Someone will know that. Before we go, does anybody else have what's more likely to throw out?

I have one. Do you guys? Yeah. I do. Go for it, Mark. No, no, no. Be my guest. This is so organic.

We'll go this way. What's more likely? Des Bryant, a hyper-motivated, in great shape, Des Bryant, contract year, breaks Calvin Johnson's receiving yards record, or the Cowboys have the number one draft pick. I don't need to wait. Number one. Here's the weird thing with the Cowboys, and I love Des Bryant so much. I always make sure he's on my fantasy team.

They have a weird thing where they get away from him in games at times. They're going to need to pass a ton of this year because they're going to be down by three touchdowns all the time. And they have no one else to throw to. He's going to get plenty of targets. He'll probably be top 20 in targets. He should be top three. Yeah. But I don't think, I said earlier, as long as Tony Romo is playing,

there's no way they're going to lose more than 10 games, I think. I think. Got a bulky back? He does. Will Brandon Reed and be the weird footnote who throws the ball to the NFL's leading receiver two years in a row? I'm going Des Bryant setting the record. I could see that. I can't see the number one pick.

Greg, yours. Looks like I got to come up with something. Do you want us to throw it to Mark? No, here we go. How about what's more likely? Indomacan Sioux is a Detroit Lion in 2015 or Indomacan Sioux is not a Detroit Lion in 2015. Aroni and Rappaport reported that they're willing to let him test free agency

after turning off contract talks. He will not be a lion in 2015. The lions have just conceded their only advantage. They're not going to use the franchise tag, and they're not going to give him an extension. Once he hits the open market, somebody will blow his doors off. Yeah, they gave away all leverage. It's, unless something else happens, I would go with the same answer. They will keep Domican Sue because he's one of the best defensive tackles in football.

He'll show it again this year, and they'll wise up and they'll figure it out, and they'll probably franchise him if they can't franchise him because it costs $27 million. They will then sign into a big, big contract. Or they will franchise him and the GM will get fired. It's a weird. There's a weird story coming out. Didn't you think that was a strange story? Something's going on there with Indomac and Sue and the Lions when they came out earlier this week and they said publicly, we're not going to talk with him anymore.

And then this comes out, I don't know what's going on. There's something strange that like Indomacan Su is that much of a unique individual that he told them, look, you guys don't want to pay me. Look, I'll give you a chance and I want to stay in Detroit. But I just want to see if I can get a lot more money. Is it possible that behind the scenes he's viewed as a seven letter word that starts with. A, and that's leading to the team not wanting to be involved with him? No, I don't think so. An athlete?

Yes. Aragnophobic? Huge athlete. Maybe they offered... Maybe they offered to pay him in Subway, subs. Maybe. But he probably has one of those cards, because they do exist the lifetime. He does.

Subway. Mark final. He's a sponsor. All right, not so football related, but related to the podcast here. And it's a three-parter. It's got three choices. so don't bow out after the second. So you're breaking out of the structure of the game

for your own purposes. I'm sorry, I never know the rules of the game, so I didn't do that intentionally. But what is more likely, A, Dan Hansis releases a chapbook of poetry based on his late adult life as a casual sailor along the shores of Iceland. All right.

B, Greg Rosenthal leaves football blogging to join a band of late 30-something goss as Daniel falls off a chair. To join a band of late 30-something goss in a musical group calling themselves Marshall Applewhite in the Hail Bob Comets. Or... I feel like that's already happened. All right. Or C.

Chris Wessling gets caught in a dangerous love triangle with diminutive but sort of hot femme, Thespian, Ellen Page, and former lion's quasi-kicker Kickalicious. Oh, it's not even close. I could see Wesleyan doing that. That sounds like a great time. Can't you just imagine Wesley's... showed up to work. My name was like, hey, guys,

I got a crazy story for you. I'm in a tough spot. I need your advice. Kickling issues is all over me. Yeah. Ellen Page, I don't know if she's into West and it's not against Wes.

I think that could be a roadblock. She doesn't know him yet. I'm speaking of other issues that I don't really have family-friendly podcast. We don't really need to delve too much into a personal life, but I don't know if that's what she's into. She's not on my team?

We can break the rules, Mark, and you can, since you clearly spent a lot of time coming up with this, give us your pick. I do see Dan ending his life as a sailor in another country reflectively looking back

and maybe writing some a book of poetry that we'd get published. I would feel like the obvious answer here is that Greg. I would buy that book. Greg gets in a goth band. Didn't he do that? Didn't we know that?

That's right. Going back to your roots in a way. That's what we do. Give you a break. Is it like a goofy Goofy sort of like They might be Giants Dead Milkman type of band That's far from Goth

But you had your hair dyed black Correct As a freshman in high school But everyone was doing it then You're inching towards Goth regions Everyone was doing that then Were you also purposely very pale

That just comes naturally That was a bit more grunge than got That might be more grunge I don't know if they might be Giants as grunge That thing was just alternative Alternative Alternative

He's alt dot Rosenthal If you were to find it on the web then, not indie. Well, that's it for this edition of the Around the League podcast. We will be back probably on Friday with another show. We'll talk about all the news in the NFL and anything else. That comes to mind. Signing off, this is Dan Hansis, for the sizzler, the mailman, the boss, and Zach.

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