NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - The Most Fascinating Figures of the NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to discuss the most fascinating figures of the 2025 NFL Draft. Find out why James Gladstone (02:15), Andrew Berry (12:40), Ashton Jeanty (27:05), Tyler Warren (35:30), Trey Hendrickson (44:49), Kirk Cousins (48:40), and more will all be focal points of draft weekend.  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we prefer kids over dogs. I'm Greg Rosenthal. Some of us. Wesleyan podcast studio. Controversial start to the show with Colleen Wolfe and Jordan Roderig of The Athletic.

We are back here on a Tuesday. How about it? Good to see you guys. Listen, I like kids just fine. I really love dogs. I was just in an argument with you guys. Just saying that showing dog pictures has a higher approval rating. Like, a lot of people don't care about kids or aren't really that into kids, which I get.

But dog pictures, everyone love. Across the board. Yeah. I feel like there's like a level. of politeness for all. But like as somebody who shows an obnoxious amount of dog pictures, including before the show began, I could say that I am pretty annoying when I show people incessant pictures of my sweet, sweet dog Tucker. I don't have videos in my algorithm being served to me of babies. I have dogs. Well, that's that animals. If you were into babies,

hilarious, you would. Soups for me as well. Soups. We got to we got to look at everyone's discovery page. See what's going on there. I just think there are more Colleen's out there than people like me who prefer humans. Why are you trying to divide us already? I don't prefer humans. In this day and age, let's stay together. Okay, let's do it. This is a big show.

It is our last show together as a trio before the NFL draft. That's right. Colleen takes the big airplane and then a connecting flight probably because there's not directs to the Green Bay. It sounds like she's dying. Yeah. She took the bigger plane. I threw out my back. I don't know how I'm going to walk around on the stage and heels.

Well, you've got about a week to get ready. And this has been a really like push our chips in the middle of the table and really start prepping for this draft. So this show is all about the most fascinating characters of the 2025 draft. We're not even going to mess around with news. We're just going to dive right into the segment. Let's just go. How about it?

We have it broken down into. different categories. And I think let's, let's start with the GM head coach category. Okay. Let's start there. And let's start with Jordan Roderick. Yeah. I'm really excited to watch James Gladstone, Liam Cohen, and Tony Bisselley, Jacksonville,

Jaguars have their first draft of this new regime. And yes, that's a no-brainer if you know me at all. But it's interesting for a number of reasons. One, James Gladstone is the second youngest GM who's going to be drafting. I believe Andrew Barry was the youngest GM in NFL history several years ago. Well, that's gotten great, yeah. It is interesting, though, because they got a later start than everybody else. And if you're going to install a new general manager before the draft, as the Jaguars did,

and particularly late in the process as they did, there's a lot of catch-up to be done and a lot of things to kind of integrate into the building. And then what I do know about James and about Liam and about Tony is that they're also trying to make sure that they're not just doing a clean sweep of process and ideas. It's sort of a marriage between the old and the new and like pruning some of the old that didn't work, that they don't believe worked, and making sure that people are heard,

the processes that do work are actually installed and implemented and then also marrying some of the modern things that James did, especially with the Los Angeles Rams, into their process as well. And I think it's going to be really interesting. It's sort of a Frankenstein draft because you are a building still in transition, So I think 2026 will be most reflective of what this group as a trio will truly start to do together.

But this one's going to be really interesting because they have to start rebuilding this roster and some of the older players that they did sign in free agency and replacing them with rising and ascending draft picks. I think it's going to be super interesting. A Frankenstein draft really got me. I love that term. But like, so what do you think that Mason Graham is going to bring over from less need and, like that whole tree with the Rams with James Gladstone yeah yeah so I feel like he um there's a lot of things that I got to see last year when I was interred with their scouting department in terms of some of the ways that they um overhaul like I guess tried and true practices for other teams like

we already we already know they don't go to the all-star events like the scouting combine the senior bowl um you know they don't they don't go to uh a lot of these like off season visits They do the pro days. They don't do 30 visits. Do we have sound for that? We do. We just walked right into it. Let's go.

How about that? I don't view myself as having this extreme superpower of deciphering the complexity of a person in an hour, right? I would probably say I can work that in tandem, but there are other mechanisms that we tend to lean into to help us determine whether or not a player is in fact. a fit for us more than just a singular touch point that would be a top 30 visit yeah let me explain this wait i want to hear colleen's reaction just to that because it was so strong when james gladstone started speaking that i just i know i just he's a child because it looks like a baby this it was just all very unexpected i i wasn't expecting him the way that he he he looks also what he was saying it just it just caught me off guard a little bit there it's perfect okay if you guys will indulge me in like a little bit i was

thinking about this a lot over the last couple of days because this is topical right now with the 30 visits and the fact that the Rams, we've known for a while that they don't do the 30 visits. Instead, and the Jaguars are sort of following this train, that's because the guy who started this process for the Rams over the last two years, James Gladstone is now the GM of the Jaguars. So the Jaguars are not doing the 30 visits in the traditional way, which are the visits that prospects come into the building. You're allowed to have up to 30 of them. And they have to be reported to the league. Well, one thing that the Rams do that the Jaguars will start to install over time and are doing sort of like I said, a Frankenstein version of this now is they don't bring

prospects in. They go to them. They send their scouts and not their top executives because they're trying to remove bias and marriage to a prospect too early in the process before the board strategy falls. They're trying to remove those things from the equation and look at the actual scout who they hand select as somebody who is going to get on the whiteboard with these. prospects at a place, whether it's their college or within a 50-mile radius from their hometown or their college, that you can do as many of those as you want, and you don't have to report them to the league, which is so they don't leak, right, unless the agent leaks it. And usually there's some sort of an understanding between the agent and the team that, like, this is special,

you're not going to leak it. So what happens at those visits is whoever the scout or the former coach or whoever it is usually termed special assistant to the in the in the staff directory. They will sit down with the prospect in what is deemed to be their environment. They'll get them on the whiteboard for several hours. It's not just a come in and do a job interview. Several hours on the whiteboard? They get into the weeds. They go into the community with the prospect. What do you think NFL life is like, Colleen? The prospect interacts with their community. And they want to basically see the player like in their environment and in their atmosphere because they find that to be more valuable.

Wait, can we keep having a conversation while you keep talking? It's like a great symphony at the same time. I'm like super passionate about this because I think the draft is such a crapshoot of a process that all these teams are trying to control, like all the little tiny variables that they possibly can control. And I think that if all I see out there and all I've seen for years, and it's probably because of where I've just, you know, where I've been covering, you know, the team I've been covering, all I see is, oh my gosh, they don't do what?

They don't go here. They don't do this process the same way. And I'm like, stop, this is not, no 32, none of the 32 teams are the same. They're not going to evaluate talent the same. The draft is not a binary process. The draft changes every single year. So why the shit are you not changing every single year? Why aren't you trying to figure out and ascertain what works for you, how you best feel like

you get the best information? Not every team is going to be like that. Brad Holmes also comes from out of this building. He likes to be on the road. He likes to be in with the scouts. It really works for him and for the Detroit Lions and for Dan Campbell. I want to see a breakdown of every team and, like, the differences, like what they do differently than other teams or what teams do the same.

Like, I kind of want to know the strategies for each team. Is this an Excel document somewhere? In general, the draft. This is my life's mission. Yeah, has a lot of group think. And it's good that teams like the Rams and the Jaguars now because of Gladstone are attacking it a little bit differently. I call him Mason Graham because that's who I thought.

Think you're going to take. See, we would have just edited it out, Colleen. I brought it back around. I loved it. It's good. I mean, it's after so many of these, like, super, super fun shows, I immediately knew. Exactly. It was like, we didn't even miss a beat.

We just knew exactly what it was. And I was like, damn it, it was the prospect. I, uh, they also are in a weird spot because they have the five pick. And I do just think everyone with like a four to 10 pick in this draft drew the short. straw. Like this was a bad year to have or even like a four to 15 pick that everyone's getting pushed up that none of these guys would have been like a consensus top 15 top 20 pick in previous years. So it's just very tricky. And I remember that interview we did with James Gladstone at the scouting combine when we said he had 10 picks and he said well for now. And I think he could be

a team that is trading up with some of his later picks. But he also could be a team that's that's trading down if anyone has their eye on that number five overall. Yeah. Yeah. I might mention that coming up. Yeah. And to reiterate, because I'm, like I said, you know, it's, I'm being a dork, but like I'm so passionate about this topic.

Like, you can't, even the way that they're approaching it now. I like that you're pounding the table for this topic. If this doesn't work for that particular group, if this process that they're installing there doesn't work for them, the point is that I don't believe that James or Liam or Tony are people who are going to be rigid in that process. They're approaching the draft as a fluid concept, which I think is so important because there is so much that ultimately is left up to chance. All you can do is try to perfect the variables that you can control. And strategy in that way is one of them. And that means that you cannot just be rigid in your thinking about how you

approach the process. I like the way that they're trying to take the human element out of it, though, because it's nearly impossible. Right. It's such a, it's such a difficult exercise. Because all of this is true and all these smart people are into building. these processes and taking these players and the coaches and so like it's a multi-million dollar per team group in terms of salaries and all this stuff and still by far the number one reason why it works or not is luck okay what about you can't tell me that in the end it's basically it you're just trying to improve it's like gambling you're trying to improve let's say gambling is 30% skill and 70% luck if you were really great like you're just trying to improve that 30%

and that's though what drafting is like you're just trying to improve that 30. Love is blind for NFLGS. Dude, that would be fun. Right? An example of this, of the inverse of this and falling too far in love with the prospect way too early in the process has been recognized even internally in L.A. because it happened with Stets and Bennett when Lesneed is going to the playoff and the championship game and watching Stets and Bennett play in person.

And he really, really likes Stets and Bennett, who thrives on the whiteboard when Kellyn Clemens goes and does this visit with him. But there were so many things that. ended up coming up that the Rams just didn't know about but didn't care as much about because they felt too far in love with the prospect before the actual process was ready to manifest in that way. That's human nature though, too. These are the types of things. It's why they're trying to do the bias removal thing. It's not a perfect process. Right. But if like Bennett had worked out, then they would be like, that was great. You look like a genius. And that is where

the luck part of it comes, comes into it. Because he could have just worked out for different reasons that they thought were true and just he didn't have the talent ultimately. Well, we don't Oh, actually. So many things have to align. All right, let's go. Or else we're only going to go through the wild cards. You're up. Okay.

I mean, not the wild cards. The GM head coach category. Okay. Well, I know. I was like scrolling. We already mentioned his name once on the show. Andrew Barry. I feel like this, what are the Browns going to do, first of all?

The history is so rich with them needing a quarterback. But, I mean, if it goes down to Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, who do they value more in that spot? And would they be willing to take a quarterback with the first pick in the second round or even trade back into the first at the end to get a quarterback? And if not, does that mean that they're already scouting

next year's quarterback class or even the class in two years? So I want to know for Andrew Berry, I'm watching whether or not he, this draft for him, if he's drafting like his job is on the line, or if he's still drafting for the future and building towards something because the Browns have two third round picks so it gives them that additional ammunition to trade up if they want to do that because they got that

with the Amari Cooper trade to the bills. So I think that they're obviously interesting for a multitude of reasons, but watching how Andrew Barry drafts this time around, I think will really tell you a lot. You know what would not surprise me is to see him in this specific situation as optically strange as it would appear, especially in the moment as we're breaking it down,

is if they said, okay, there's a lot of these teams that want a quarterback, they don't necessarily want like Shadur at three or Shadur at two or Jackson Dart in the first round, or like Tyler Shuck in the first round. But there's a pool, a growing pool of teams that would take those guys

in back of round one, round two, round three. It would not surprise me to see him go, way early on a quarterback that we might not even be pairing to them right now because it's always been Cam Ward shoulder Sanders 1-2. And so that would not surprise me to see them go with a quarterback that we may not even be projecting that high

simply to prevent the chance as more picks start getting stockpiled on the middle and later rounds that that guy is gone. Like if you see the quarterback you want, take the quarterback. What else could go wrong? Honestly. Right. I just have a hard time because we do this at this time a year, generally with the quarterbacks.

And in general, it is a good bet that they're going to get pushed up. I just don't see it with these guys. I don't think anyone, I think in the end, it's going to be like a lot of conversation and that everyone, including the Browns, are going to be cool with just. Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacko, let's go. They're just going to be cool with who falls to them. Like, if Shuck falls to them at the top of the third round, which I don't think is, a crazy outcome or if they were interested in someone else that they think is on the same

tier as Shuck at the third round, that's one thing. But I don't think anyone's going to be moving up for these guys. But this is where I have an issue with the draft itself, because this is what we were just talking about. Even the way that you framed it, if they're going to think their hope that someone falls to them, that is immediately seating control of that variable. I think they're in that scenario, not really caring if someone falls to them ultimately and being like, yeah, we'll take him if he makes sense. But it would be closer to the 2020 draft where other than Pickett, who people did expect to go in the first round for the most part,

like Malik Willis literally two days before the draft in Vegas had like he was favored to go top three. He didn't go in the top 70. Like in we. But conversely, just everyone was wrong because everyone just assumes quarterbacks are going to get pushed up. And I just don't see it with Chuck. season you have the recency bias of

Bonex and Mike Pennix getting pushed up and taken because the guys the coaches and the scouting and general management staff were like okay we see quarterback we take quarterback and then so you have a recency bias there of like okay you could have those guys projections were also all over the

map I'm not saying specifically I think Tyler Shuck or Jackson whoever these like three down guys are supposed to go in the first I'm just saying that if you are a team that needs a quarterback and you see the quarterback you want and you have the pick. I would imagine if you have nothing else to lose and you're in job

butt saving mode at this point, then you take the quarterback. I just think there's like a cutoff line. And obviously I could be wrong. We could all be wrong about any of these evaluations. I don't think any of them are going to get people that excited. I think it's a pretty clear. And I think Knicks and Pennix, if you're comparing, would have been in that Chador sort of category.

And I think there is more of a consensus about these players. not really being great prospects at quarterback. But that makes the Shador conversation. And he's not, I don't think we're going to be Mentioning him. And we just haven't talked about on this show that the Giants are holding a private workout for Shadur just before the draft is happening. What is it? At the end of this week. And they were very careful to put that out there.

So I think the expectation is, no one thinks the Browns are taking a quarterback there. But the Giants at the very least are letting everyone. know either a our ownership's getting involved and is actually is pretty into sanders and is making them check all the boxes or be like hey saints you're out there you could be uh trading up to us potentially uh dan morgan the panthers gm this is on his radar as well dan morgan uh the panthers gm talked about uh where where he's at number eight one spot ahead of the saints i don't think yet i think it's still a little early for that um you know i think maybe down the line I'll expect it a little more but you know right now things are quiet it only takes one team to

fall in love with a player you know so you know a team could fall in love with a player and decide they want to trade up with us and go get their guy so you know I really don't look at it like that I just look at it as you know a team's just may really love a guy so we'll just we'll be waiting if somebody wants to come up he's in such a good spot again if I'm looking at what happened last year, especially in the early teens, late single digits of teams wanting to try to get up and in for specific guys, especially the middle and the bottom of this first round kind of drops off the face of a cliff into the second round. Colleen, I could not help but laugh because I thought of what you said a couple of weeks ago. We were, the Saints are here too. Yes. And now with the

Derek Carr situation, it's on Front Street. I think. I think they're the most likely team. It was 10 before. My, thank you, Mickey Loomis. My floor for Shudor Sanders, I've always thought it was going to be nine. I always thought they were the Shador Sanders team.

I still think they are. I still think in the end, no one's going to trade up, but who knows? The Giants, I think, with that move, are saying come up and possibly trade for us, but who knows? Maybe they would do Shudor. I do wonder if they look at it, like,

if your guy, Andrew Barry, and you're right, to go into the year with Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacko as your quarterback's, that is having a lot of faith in your job security when you're 3 and 14,

you're coming off a 3 and 14 season. Like, it's insanity. But also, like, it doesn't seem any less insane to have, like, a second round, you know, quality quarterback in that mix, too.

I do wonder, though, and I have a hard time believing job security-wise that any team is passing, up Travis Hunter. The closer I get to this, the more I've watched, that actually people are talking about in this draft that there's like, there's not enough

like blue chip talent. I don't think many teams are going to have Abdul Carter even over him. I do think he's going to be a Cleveland Brown. And that Andrew Barry would have to wear that forever if he doesn't take Travis Hunter. So I still think the most logical outcome is the most likely one, which is that they just take Travis Hunter. But then, you know, you never know.

Yeah. It seems like a no-brainer to us. I would agree with that. So who's winning that quarterback competition? Penny Pickett or Joe Flacko? Flacko, I think. My GM coach is going to be another guy that's related to some recent news, which is Chris Greer. You mentioned it on the last show you did with us, Jordan, with Ross Tucker,

that you don't know what's to do with this Dolphins team and roster. And they're in a very weird spot, much like Andrew Berry, I feel like Chris Greer should be making decisions, based on the fact that he probably doesn't have a lot of job security. And then we find out on Tuesday morning that there is, quote, mutual interest between Jalen Ramsey and the Dolphins of a divorce, according to our Ian Rappaport and it was reported by ESPN on the same day, trying to drum up a trade market.

Not sure where this started, which side, but it's been a trend for Jalen Ramsey that he has an expiration date. And if you actually go back and listen to some quotes he made at the very end of the season where they kind of asked him to more or less give a vote of confidence for the coaches and what they should do. And he was just like, well, that's above my pay. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

That was a little bit of a first sign that maybe not all as well there, which is kind of crazy because they guaranteed him $25 million for this season, 2025, when they absolutely didn't need to do it. they are regretting that Tyree Kill extension and this Jalen Ramsey extension. And yet I now expect him to be an ex-dolphin. I guess they'll be a market for him, Jordan. What do you think? Yeah, I think there will be.

I think that it's interesting. Every few years, this has happened with him. And if you look at the situations of the teams within which this was happening, it was teams that looked like they were signaling toward a rebuild. And this is a player who, you know, possible future Hall of Famer, guy who is quite used to being at the very top of his game is getting into, I would say, more of the back end of his career. And I think it's about wanting to go win. I certainly think that it would be a big mistake. And I've, you know,

I covered Jalen for a really long time and got to know him pretty well in L.A. You don't put words in his mouth, right, about these situations. But I would say, like, I would imagine that winning and being with a franchise that expects to win over the next couple of years is something that is going to be important to him and a priority for him. And it's, you know, yes, they negotiated this amount from the dolphins. Dolphins didn't have to do it. So I think he doesn't necessarily feel any sort of way about the money itself. I would imagine, you know, yes, he would want some security from a trading team. But I think to me, in my opinion, if you look at the pattern of these moves with him over the last nine years, eight years,

the team is either in or heading toward darker days and needs to overhaul and rebuild some things. And so to me, where you hear the word mutual, it does seem like something that they would agree upon because it might be just time for him to go. That contract, though, is going to be so tough for any team to take on. It's like $21 million guaranteed.

I think if you look at it just for one year, you know, if you had to get rid of them next year, than you would take a bit of a hit. But a lot of teams actually can take that on. Immediately, people are connecting dots between him and his old. Rams coordinator, Rahim Morris. And that could be an interesting addition for the Falcons, who I think, even though pass rush is a bigger need for them,

it would really do- Was ever thus. Yeah, they need a lot on defense and it would juice up their secondary. I could see it happening. I could see it being very mutual because by the end of last year, I think they were a little sick of Jalen Ramsey, two potentially, and he was a little up and down. You're trading for him at a point in of his career

that you can no longer expect him to be a truly elite player. There are three coaches who I would say have gotten the best, the most bought in, and the most, I guess, like permeating that sort of, like excellence through and carrying people with him and gotten the best out of Jalen. and that is Rahim Morris, that's Brandon Staley, and that's also Jonathan Cooley and Jiro Evereaux,

who are in Carolina right now. So I would not rule any of those things out. I also think that Jalen Ramsey and his agent are obviously a lot smarter about this than I would be, and I don't think they're going out to the public with it and putting up the for-sale sign as a targeted idea until they know they have good outcomes here. Places that they want to go, that they have.

NFC South teams. I could very much see being. Right. And that they already have an understanding that there is a market, there is a team that we would like to go to that would like to have us. So at this point,

it's kind of like the Derek Carr situation. I'm already at the point. I don't expect Derek Carr to ever play for the Saints again. I think that report... Get him out of there before Jalen comes in. For the love of God. That could be it. I just, I feel like putting that report out there is kind of like I'm saying goodbye to you.

And Derek Carr, for the most part, how I think the NFL, other people are interpreting his injury news is, I'm injured for you, Saints, but I'm not necessarily injured for other teams. Exactly. Which is a wild position to take. We're here too. But it's a strategy. The Saints are here too. It's, I, I kind of like it. There's some Saints fans that I've noticed on social media this week.

We're like, like, for the first time, I kind of like Derek Carr. I got to give it. I respect it. I got to give it to him. Like, he's pulling a Jimmy Butler and making Mickey Loomis eat that contract. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be back with more of the most fascinating people in the 2025 draft. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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I just, I'm laughing at myself. Like, I didn't expect to open today with, like, a draft rant, you know. I did, as I was driving in, I was thinking about, like, how big this year has been insane. And at one point, I was driving to Arizona for a relocated football game. And I had a reminder of that today when I opened my glove compartment. And there was a half-eaten bag of family-sized chili cheese, Fritos. I felt really good about it. Wow.

Oh, no. We're going to need to clean your car. It's been really good about how with it and on it I am so far. this off season, not behind on things at all. Oh, I mean, that's, that is what it's like to work in the NFL and sports probably in general, but it's like anytime the off season quote unquote hits, it's like, oh, now I'm going to like clean out this closet or do all of the things that have piled up over nine months. I don't know what says about my brain, though, that when you said you opened the glove compartment,

I thought like ashes from the fire were going to come out. It's morbid. I was like, is there going to be a Glock in there? That's amazing. I'm a woman on the edge. Let's go. Let's go offensive players. All right.

Who, Colleen, what? Is your most famous? You have to answer these questions. My most famous. Okay. No, your most fascinating offensive player in this. Well, there are so many to choose from. But I'm really, really interested to see what happens with Ashton Genty running back out of Boise State.

I mean, he's been pitched so many times as a generational talent, but let's see what GMs are not cowards. Who's going to take him high in this spot? I mean, I want to know how the league values him as a player and how the league values running backs, essentially, especially after watching the Eagles with Saquan Barkley. DJ Daniel Jeremiah has Genti as his third prospect overall behind Abdul, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter, Lance Zerline. has him as his highest full stop graded player in the draft. We know that Bejohn Robinson, he went high, but I'm just wondering if there's any chance that anyone would trade ahead of the Raiders for him, because that's where he's been mocked in most drafts.

So maybe, or you could have the Raiders trading up with the Browns to take a quarterback. There's so many different things that you could kind of do in this situation. I was wondering, too, could the Jags? trade out of five to someone who really wants to jump up and get him. Is that too high, five? I don't think it is, but trading up for a running back would be next level. Running backs are back, back. You know what I mean?

I know. That would be next level. I think him going at six would not be next level. I think Amari and Hampton is such a good prospect that he's definitely going in the first round. And I don't think anyone would be surprised if another running back, Trayvion Henderson, specifically, would go in the first round. So I do think running backs will be back. trading up ahead of the Raiders is crazy.

The Jaguars could take, I don't think it's crazy for the Jaguars to take Ashton Jentzy. Absolutely not. He's also from Jacksonville. Ooh. Connection. Hey!

And I also think it would immediately be very clear. It's not just that running backs are back. It's like outlier players. Trade up and draft. Outlier players. That's like, that's, you know, part of the Sequin Barkley effect isn't just the resurgence of running backs and the return of like widespread gap scheme.

and maybe moving a little bit more away from zone and bigger players on the interior and linebackers that need to defend the run. Like you also are seeing like these outliers pop in this way. So it's not just running back, speaking back and like worth the capital in the first round. But also for something like that, you would be stating as an NFL team,

this is an outlier player regardless of position that is worth this investment in, regardless because we've seen what specifically an outlier player regardless of position can do Philadelphia. If someone jumps ahead of the Raiders, how upset will Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly be? They love

a run game. They might just like take Trayvion Henderson at 6, which sounds like a wild reach. And I'm making the Chip Kelly connection because he was with him at Ohio State. But when I hear MJD talk about Eric Bianamy, who's the

running back coach of the Bears, is texting them late at night, you know, sending him how pictures of Trayvion Henderson and pass blocking. And then DJ, who is as tied in at this time a year as literally any human on the planet, he's got him up there like that high and like saying he's going to go high. Like he's going to go high too because he's a true three-down player. And so that's why I think the bears are taking a running back. And I think there's a pretty good chance the Raiders would take one. Even in a crazy world where Genties gone, but I don't think he would be. But even if the Raiders pass them, I think the Jets are another potential running back

team in this class there are going to be so many people hate to say this at this time of year there's going to be so many disappointments out of these top 20 picks and it's kind of like an NBA team that doesn't have any good players but someone has to score 20 points someone has to get 12 rebounds someone has to score 17 points like the vacuum will be filled you know what I mean and so we are talking about all these players in the top 25 like it's a normal top 25 but normally we wouldn't be talking about them this much. And even in a normal draft, half the players kind of turn into disappointments. And you never talk about that ahead of time.

My long-winded point is that some of these running back, especially Genti being number one, it's like it's really hard to see them being a disappointment. So if you feel like you can hit a double and avoid these possible landmines. Exactly. Then go take them. I think that Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and maybe John Spitech's son would be disappointed. he was at his press conference a few weeks ago or on the radio or somewhere

he was talking about how his son said he threatened to walk out of the family if he didn't draft Ashton Janty. And John Spitex said something really telling. So I think those three in particular decision makers would be disappointed. But I don't know that John Spitech would be disappointed. I don't know that John Spitech would be really upset

if a team decided, hey, we want to give you a crap load of picks in order to jump you in order to get to get to your spot to get Ashton Janty if a couple of other running backs are available because I think John Spitech, and he kind of made this comment, they have so many holes to fill and they want to compete now.

And yes, an outstanding outlier running back could help you do that. And they gave up that Gino pick too, which probably sticks in his car. I feel like, so I feel like that this is, I would love to be a fly on the wall in that building right now because I feel like this is going to be the top debate. Is they've done all of the, they've laid the entire base. They know that if he's

there, I would imagine he is the pick. That's what I would believe. Because they've laid the base. They took him out to dinner. They had the, they did everything, right? They've also laid a base to say, hey, come get him to other teams and give us, give us a lot of picks so that we can go back a little bit in the first round, still pick up a really talented running back, and also get more offensive linemen, get another receiver to pair with Brock Bowers. This is where I think John Spitech would fall on that side of the equation.

Even if his son renounces him. It's a tough price to pay, you know? But then he said this. He said, well, my son's looking at highlights on YouTube and he's thinking about it in terms of fantasy football, not team building. Oh, right. And I was like, damn. Okay.

You could always get another son. Yeah. But you'll only be number six. Now, if the dog threatened to walk out. Right. Honestly. Now we're talking. So if three running backs go, and that's one where I saw, mine would.

I saw the over under for running backs in the first round is two and a half. I would jump on that before, uh, that changes. I'm not, we're not allowed to be involved in that, but I just think, I think that's going to change by the time the draft even happens. but it would be the first time since 2018 when Saquan Barclay, Rashad Penny, and Sony Michelle. Oh my God.

Were taken. And yeah, maybe this was the class that ended running backs getting taken high for a little while because... Sonny Michelle has two Super Bowl rings. In the second round,

Ronald Jones, Kerryon Johnson, and Darius Geis were the second round picks. Wow. Yeah. I always defended that Sony Michelle pick. It got them a nice playoff run. All right.

I'll go with my most fascinating offensive player. It's Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State, just because he's such a unique player that I don't know what to do with. He's so exciting, and you want to believe in him. But he also is, like, if I was running a team, I would be pretty afraid to take him. I don't think he would be my guy.

Like, I know Daniel, Jeremiah loves him. He's got him number six overall, but he's such a unique player. You're not going to have the test. testing data on him. He's refused to do that, which is it's not a red flag necessarily anymore because no one's testing, but it's a little bit of a red flag for him specifically because he's like a terrible blocker and he doesn't look that fast. And so you're counting on this guy who has such a one-on-one skill set, which is that when he has the ball, he runs over people in a way that I don't know if I've ever seen. He's like, he's like, and I heard, I heard Ali Connolly

or was John Ledger maybe compared him to like what people imagine Tim Tebow actually would have been if Tim Tebow was a tight end but you're combining him and Debo and Taysam Hill and just like to me he reminds me

of Jeremy Shockey you a little bit Oh my God, really? We're like you don't even know can this work at the NFL level and also he was on Penn State's team forever and they never figured out a way to make him work until the very end of his fifth year and then suddenly he was like

the craziest player on the planet So he could be the most exciting player from this entire class when he's out on the field if he works. And yet I feel like if he gets drafted by some basic team without a lot of creativity, like it might really bust. And I'm like a little afraid of it. So I find him fascinating.

I have no idea where he's going to go. Yeah, I love this topic because it also opens the conversation that I think more people need to have this time of year. And DJ is extremely good at articulating this is the difference between evaluating a player in a vacuum of evaluation in a big board ranking in a consensus top 100 in those types of things versus the other side of things, which is, again, DJ's done this on the other side as well, like of what it looks like for a team specifically to be evaluating this player, how he fits, what traits match to what the coaching staff is communicating

within their system, within their scheme. Does this actually work? Would this be something where they would create for this player? Or would he be able to fit into the mix immediately and have an actual plan for him to maximize his ability? Now, if that's not the case, do you spend that high draft capital on this type of conversation? No, you spend it on Colston Loveland is what I think because he just looks like all the other tight ends in the league.

You should be a scal. That makes me feel safer, but maybe I'll be wrong. He looks like a tight end. You made his day. No, maybe I'll be wrong. It's not that I'm anti- Tyler Warren. I just hope it works out. But I do think it opens up a really interesting conversation

because there is what the like the ecosystem and the commercialism around the draft is. And then there's also in duality, the conversation that's happening in these buildings about matching players and matching traits to that building. Even coaching styles too. Yeah, exactly. He just needs like a creative guy.

Like not to pick on Zach Taylor. or something. It's like, he just wouldn't make any sense on the Bengals, you know? Because the Bengals do, they do what they do. You need someone who's going to just be like, build the whole ship out of Tyler Warren. He's that type of player. All right, you're up. You're up. That's like the same thing as when I say actually, good point, Greg. Not to pick on Zach Taylor.

Proceeds to pick on Zach Taylor. Okay, I'm scrolling. What are we doing? Offensive player. Offensive player. Oh, cool. Yeah. I want to talk about the wide receiver class overall.

I mean, we go pretty general on this because I know this is a big topic, but I just have this feeling, especially watching the tape of some of these guys that like, this is actually a wide receiver class where outside of the double position, Travis Hunter, who's going to be a phenom, and then there's like Ted McMillan and Matthew Golden, and they're kind of flip-flopped on some people's boards as consensus one after however much Travis Hunter plays receiver, consensus two, three. They're flipped a little bit, but outs after them. And after like the top 15 and maybe even the top 25 and deep into the second and third rounds, I think this class is full of guys, sort of like the career arc of like a Chris Godwin, for example, that you're just going to see them sustain. That's interesting. There's a lot of guys that can do a lot of different things. They have exciting traits. A lot of guys that can match and fit in a lot of different systems.

I'm talking about Luther Bird and Jalen Knoll, Amika, Bukka, Jack Beck, Kyle Williams. I feel like all of these players could really, you could get them in the second or the third, and they'll be in your building for like a decade. And I know that's like a heavy thing to say, especially this time of year. It's super buzzy, but it just seems like these guys can do these things.

They have these traits and they have the versatility. A lot of them do. And they have this like ability, okay, you need a two. Okay, great. This guy can be a two. You eventually need a one. In three years, he'll be a one.

Like high volume people as well. And it seems like it's coming from too. It's a general wave and trend. that's happening because of what's happening at the collegiate level and how they're playing the game, it's just churning out these wide receivers that are much more talented than years past. If you take Hunter out, which you kind of can't because to me, he's maybe the best wide receiver prospect in the last few years. Like I think he's at the level of chase. But it reminds me a little bit of the draft where Terry McClorin went 12th among wide receivers. And

So I pulled it up. I wouldn't have been able to remember off the top of my head. Who went before? Yeah. And many of them, a few of them were incredible. A.J. Brown went 51st in that class overall, late in the second round.

His college teammate went 64th at the very end, the last pick of the second round. So there were some major hits. Diba went at the top of the second round. But then, like, the guys who went in the first round were Hollywood Brown and Nikiel Harry, yikes. It was a really deep. class where people were really excited about

McColl Hardman, JJ Arcega Whiteside, who the Eagles took instead of, you know, D.K. Metcalf, and then they end up getting AJ Barrett. Paris Campbell, Andy Isabella, Deonte Johnson goes later in that draft. Like, people were excited about Hakeem Butler, where it's just like there's all these guys. And this class feels a little

bit like that to me, where it feels like there's 15 good guys, and we just know from history, that only five will truly pop, but I think there's a lot of good solid players too. I will take the converse of that, which tends to be more optimistic than you, because I actually think that because if you look at just the trait matching and just the way, like some of those guys that you named that didn't quite work out, like had one phenomenal thing that they did extremely well that was eye-popping and had everybody sort of buzzing in their direction. And these guys, I think, especially a lot of the ones that I just named, can do a lot of

different things. And they're like puzzle pieces that I think, especially the way that we're thinking, about offense right now and the certain systems that have permeated across the league. Like we're looking at puzzle piece receivers in ways that are like, okay, can you do multiple things well? And maybe you do this A plus thing and this B plus thing, but we already have an A plus guy on our roster. We're going to take this guy and plug him in in a B plus position here that he does at a B plus level. And now we have two A plus people because we have a complementary view of all of this where you're not just gravitating and fire flying toward like, oh my God, he's massive. You know, like that kind of a thing that I think was

that was a Nikkeel. Although at the time Massive was underrated. Remember that picture of AJ Brown and D.K. McCaff like lifting weights at Ole Miss. If anyone just looked at that picture and drafted off that picture, they would not have gone. They would not have gotten

64. It is it is. Scout. Scout. It is crazy to think that. Those two guys of all people went that went that late. Like when they had the physical gifts that they had and The crazy thing about it was at the time, it's not what I meant, you know, just saying Big Fast Strong.

Get in the way, stay in the way. And there was like whispers about their like, whether they had the dog in them, whether or where is that is like one of the funniest. It's a crazy time of year. Terrible scout stuff. If we pick this conversation back up and mark the timestamp in like three years, I would guess that a lot of these guys that I just mentioned will be successful and you didn't have to get them in the first round.

The time capsule. We will be diving deep into the wide receivers on our next show, actually, with Matt Harmon and Patrick Claibon. Love him, yay. Old friends from the Fantasy Live show. Let's take one more break, and then we'll wrap up with our wildcard choices of the most fascinating people in the NFL draft, 2025. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. It's the last NFL daily. Ever? Gordon, Colleen and I for the draft. But you will be back next week, Jordan. Greg, the Scout. I'm not letting you go anywhere.

You got a busy week. We might do our mock draft with you. Because I want to do one before the draft. One last one, one second, one first one for me. I hope you're ready to like physically fight over some of these guys. Is that, where are you guys going to do it? I took like six weeks, I would say, of boxing three years ago. So I think I'm ready.

We have a personal trainer now, Stephen. There you go. Big time Raiders fan. This is all embarrassing. Let's talk about our wild cards before we say goodbye. So this could be, this could be any. anything or anyone. Let's start with Colleen. Okay. My biggest wildcard. It's Trey Hendrickson. Oh. I just like, I know the Bengals have turned down multiple trade offers for him and they have the cap space to make a deal. But every single day that goes by, I just become more and more convinced that something is going to happen and they might end up trading him. Maybe it happens on draft day. Maybe they're kind of holding that card just in case.

And I, you never know, but I don't know what you could even get for him in terms of round value either. Like, what would you, what would a trade package even look like? It's tricky, these veteran trades that happen during the draft or maybe even draft week because it's like a catch 22. Teams just do not want to give up these picks. They're so close to the draft. They've put in so much work.

It's almost like preparing. for this show if you've prepared for a certain part of the segment. You just want to get it in there regardless. At this point, they put in so much work. They just want to- Why are you looking at me? They want to take the picks because you want to talk best defensive player or most fascinating defensive player. And they don't want to do it. They just don't want to give it up for a veteran. And yet the value is so good because at the same time they're doing that, they're happy to give up, oh, sure, you want two-thirds so we can move up 20 spots into the back of the second. Like, sure, I'll do that when I'm on the clock because I really want this draft prospect.

So I think it would make sense for a team out there to give a legitimate offer for Hendrickson and make it happen because I think he, I think they could make it happen. Yeah. And things get so, so much more tense and insane in those days, particularly going from day one overnight into day two and then day two overnight into day three. I had an executive one time tell me when they were sitting on a really high fourth round pick that it felt like going to bed in a hotel with the door. unlocked and a pile of money under your mattress. And I was like, that's oddly specific. But it was

like that feeling of like, I have this thing that everyone wants. I'm not sure that I can use it correctly. Like, and I can keep it. And so everyone's going to come try to take it, this pick that I have. And so it gets so tense and you start thinking in crazy ways and like people will come with offers, especially if they want to get to that pile of money under the mattress. I just think that this, if you get this done now, uh, if you're the Bengals, you might not actually be able to get quite as much. Fair. I am worried about, yeah, that GM or source that was talking about. It's like, it's just like you're at a hotel and the money's under the mattress and you're trying to sleep on it, but the drugs are in the car and like your wife is calling you. Where are you? It's just

oddly specific. And some guy, and some guy is walking down the hall slowly dragging a cattle tranquilizer behind him, like no country for old men, you know? I love this. We should make a a social clip out of it. All right, give me your wild card. Please don't. Okay, I know that frequently we use this man's name and the words wildcard. Is it Sam Darnold? Together in a sentence

so often, I mean, the very definition of wildcard, Kirk Cousin. Oh. Okay, to recap. So, Kirk Cousins and the Falcons and the Browns have all stayed in communication

over the last several weeks about a possible trade. Obviously, then the Browns went inside, signed Joe Flacco. It's like $4 million guaranteed, but he could make up to about $13 million if he, like, dependent on playing time. Albert Breyer said some interesting stuff this week in his Monday morning quarterback column about how you're basically telling the league, like, what you think Kirk Cousin's value is. This is his postulation if you're the Browns and basically how much you're willing to pay

Joe Flacco if such a trade or you don't get a quarterback. doesn't work out. And it is interesting. Albert has also reported, and I think Ian and Tom have reported this as well, that Kirk Cousins has been really serious about using his no trade clause because he's terrified that he's going to get Michael Pennixed again. And so he wants to wait until after the draft to make a decision. But like, he kind of does add a bit of a wildguard, especially with the Brown signing Joe Flacco, to this quarterback game of musical chairs while we're still waiting on Aaron Rogers. We are waiting on Kirk Cudson. We're waiting on the draft itself.

Derek Carr. Derek Carr, who may or may not have a hurt shoulder. I mean, I believe that he truly does, but I don't believe. How much does it hurt? I don't know. It's like pain scale, one to ten. So I think that this is super interesting, just because he is a factor in all of this. He also is a potential draft week or draft day or draft day, it's plural.

Part of this conversation, depending on what, you know, what he decides to do and what the Brown, excuse me, what the Falcons decided to do with that no trade clause. I think Flacco was smart leverage for them from getting stuck in a position where they don't wind up with Kirk Cousins, but I don't necessarily think it changes even 1% like their chances of getting Kirk Cudson. I don't know what those chances are, but I don't think Joe Flacko, if they ended up being the most likely team he was going to go to, we'll get in the way of that. Because if you're the Browns, you look at it like Kenny Pickett's on a rookie contract. Joe Flacco is making $4 million.

You literally have the cheapest quarterback room in the league still. And I think they would be happy to take Kirk Cudence. But they have to live in a world where who knows what the Saints are going to do, for instance. And like, what else is going to? It's an uncertain world. So I know it's crazy to even think about like a Falcon Saints trade scenario just because of the rivalry and the competition. But actually, I could see something like this happened in light of this Derek Carr situation. And especially if, you know, Kirk, again, we cannot forget.

Like, he's going to get to pick. I love this so much. If he does want this to happen or not, what we do know, he does not. Oh, give it to me. Give me a Kirk to the Saints trade. What we have. I can hear our friends at the Saints

Block Party podcast listening to this and just dying at the entire thought of the. The Saints are here too. But I... Clip that, please. But I do think that like, you have to factor in the fact that the stance he's taken with this no trade clause.

I mean, it clearly was hugely disappointing to him what happened to him last year. He clearly thinks that he can still play. There was all these leaks about an injury that he sustained late in the season. And now he's totally better now and he's going to be fine. And clearly he wants to start somewhere, which is also why I think now it isn't interesting, like you said,

an interesting leverage play because would you want to go? Because Joe Flacco and Kevin Cefansky paired up for that, like wildly voted upon comeback player of the year awards season, you know, would you want to go in that building now, where that relationship and that reputation between the two does exist, do you think that you are for sure

going to bring them out? Like, this is all something, these are all things that now the carousel will move and consider. And then you have, like, there's going to be an odd man out. Like, is it Rogers? Is it cousins?

Could it be Derrick Carr? Like, there is going to be a veteran quarterback who's the odd man out. Somehow it is not Joe Flacco. I am so into that. I hear that. And that makes me think that the Cousins thing would be even less likely to the Saints,

but maybe in that scenario, there's not a rookie there. Like, it's Kirk Cousins, but they struck out on their rookies or they decided not to go with their rookies. Ultimately, here are some players that play the same position as Joe Flacco that make the same amount of money, or more than him this year. I'm just going to list him. Guaranteed. Jared Stidham.

Zach Wilson, Davis Mills, Josh Dobbs, James Winston, Andy Dalton, I mean, the trauma that he experienced last year during the draft. Won't somebody think of poor Kirk? Exactly. And all of his money. Well, we can this off season when he's starring in another season of quarterback on Netflix. He has all of his money under the mattress.

Everyone was just like, hey, let's bring Kirk back. Leaves his door unlocked. Cole's cash just stuffed in there. My final wild card is someone near and dear to all of our hearts. My wild card for the draft is Colleen Wolf, actually. She's going to be there. She's wearing her 2024 draft shirt. I'm doing the thing that everyone isn't supposed to do,

and I have my last name on the back. Oh, wow. Colleen with a great cutoff, a 24 sweatshirt, Belichick style, sort of, not really. She said it was too long, and I said, no, Colleen. It was normal-sized. Yeah, it was just like to my knees. You know, she starred at the last draft.

What is this? In Detroit. Hello. You know, it's just trying to build up the YouTube audience. So, you know, check us out and subscribe. It's just a collection of what you were working with last year at the draft. If you are in Green Bay, you know, yell out to Colleen and how much you love NFL daily. It has to include me, though, too.

I mean, not me like my name, but NFL daily. Oh, no. He wants 60% say hi. Doesn't count. But sure, anything, anything works. All right. I just hope we get you back. You think I'm just going to be gone in Green Bay forever?

I don't know. I just, it's a big, it's a big weekend. I go missing in Green Bay? It's a big weekend for you. It's a big weekend for our friend Daniel Jeremiah. I mean, you got to stay on top. I feel like NFL Network has the best draft coverage. Of course they do.

DJ's the number one guy. I'm not going to pretend and say that, though, when I don't believe it about certain competitions. But this one right now, we've got it. But you got to be, you got to be wary about. about Field Yates and Mel Kuiper and what ESPN's bringing or what else is going on out there. You got to stay on top. I lose my voice every year after the draft, which is bad news because I'm hosting GMFB that following Monday through Friday. So you can tune in and, oh, thank you.

That's awesome. It is, you can see how I fared through the draft, my physical state. That's how you know, you know, Jordan's like a newbie here. very naive that she's saying congratulations Colleen, you get to wake up at 3.30 for a week full a show. Just what you wanted. Whole week. I think you're going to be great.

Oh, thank you. I did hear a rumor that you are planning on wearing, so that was a fabulous blue suit that you had. Oh. I heard a rumor you're planning on getting Greg's name across the back. No, I just Rosenthal. He does want his name included. Okay. That's all the time we have today. I don't know what I'm wearing it.

It's okay. You've got a week plus to figure it out. Like I mentioned, I'm going to be back in the studio with Patrick Claibon. Matt Harmon will be via remote. Those two guys are old friends. I believe they attended each other's weddings. A VA guy, not a VIA guy? I should be.

I'm a Vita. Tell Harmon. I said, well, so. We're saying hi to Matt Harmon. Football's back. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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