NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - The Next Great NFL Rivalry & Dream Super Bowl Matchups

Episode Date: May 29, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling & Marc Sessler- reunite after Marc’s not-so-refreshing staycation to discuss the latest news from around the league. The heroes react to the news of Brandon Marshall signing with the Seahawks (5:00), Clif Avril’s intriguing comments about Pete Carroll possibly losing the locker room after Seattle’s Super Bowl XLIX loss (15:00), and a new Browns player might have to open up his wallet after opening his mouth (30:00). The heroes give their thoughts on what the next great NFL rivalry could be (33:00) and the Super Bowl dream matchups they’d like to see this upcoming season.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Dan. Woo! Welcome back, Mark. Mark's back. Mark's back. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good to be back. Good to see again. You look. I wouldn't say well-rested.

You look like, you know, Mark. Not well-rested. No. Would you say you're well-rested? after your vacation? No. A definitive no. I had people over this weekend and Mark, you had your staycation week and I knew it was going

to be close. I said, oh, man, are we going to, am I going to get Mark before the clock runs out? Because I know you were having a lot of fun leading into the weekend. Sure enough, clock ran out. We only got a Mark cameo this weekend. Well, the clock ran out. I mean, there was, you know, Simone and I had some anniversary proceedings to, to, to, stationed that weekend.

So that was basically that put a timeline on my time at your place. But I would not say, I would save all the vacations that I've ever taken in my entire life. This was by far

the least productive and least enjoyable week I've ever spent away from a workplace. Least enjoyable. That's surprising. Just very mundane and poorly spent.

From a little bit of a distance, just seeing text, Instagram, tweets it just seemed like there was a lot of energy around Mark in Los Angeles

whether it was good or not I'm not sure but there was something energy around you I mean there were a couple high points but I would say largely a massive failure wow well it's good to see you

I'm glad you were able to make the cameo and it was a great party from what I saw and I know that I did not leave at the end so you have fun Wes oh yeah you had a good time A good time. Played some corn.

Watched your three-year-old son rope and doubles off the wall all afternoon. He's got a nice stroke. We got in the now traditional last game of cornhole of the night where Wes later complains that he was kind of past his limit, and that's why he lost. So that was good to get in. What? I only went like 15 and 1?

What? The 80. Why do I even need an excuse? 86 pairs? You want to just say, you want to finish the night with the belt? Look, you guys have a lot of staying power. when it comes to me waiting to lose a game of cornhole. That's great.

Tough performance by John Gonzalez. Maybe we'll get that next time he's on the show. There was no trash talking this time. None. Yeah, so thanks for coming over. Today's show, as we move to two a weeks for most of the next two months or so, begins with some talk about a veteran wide receiver that finds a home. Also a superstar wide receiver who says,

Things are cool with me and my team, even though I ain't getting paid yet. And then we're going to talk about what with the NBA finals set to kick off this week and the Golden State Warriors and Lindsay Fulton's Cleveland Cavaliers meeting for the fourth consecutive year. Congratulations, Lindsay. Thanks. Never a doubt. There wasn't, actually. If you track Lindsay on Twitter, and this is the benefit and the greatness to having a true legend,

on your side, you have the benefit to have a Lindsay Fulton-type attitude, which was never in doubt, never fear LeBron is here. And sure enough, that was enough for Cleveland and Greg's Boston Celtics shamed on the parquet. Greg's Boston Celtics. Yeah, it was a tough weekend. Anyway, what with, you know, that is the big, that's what's going on in the sports world right now. It's all about the NBA. So, hey, what's the next great NFL rivalry?

So Warriors and the Cavs are incredible. legendary rivalry now what's the next great NFL rivalry and also a lot of people view this as a dream matchup whether it be in the ratings in the NBA or just you know immovable object against the unstoppable force although it's start I think it's time to phase out that reference I think it's being used too often by society now so maybe we need a new unstoppable force meets the immovable object we'll save that for that podcast the unstoppable force meets the immobile podcast good placement terminology right between a rock and a hard place right uh the dream super bowl what if we could choose one super bowl what would it be uh next february so that's what's coming up today let's start by

getting into the news what am i doing with my adulthood well it's an excellent question i have no closer to the answer i promise you that Brandon Marshall got a job. Oh, yeah, the 34-year-old wide receiver is signing with the Seattle Seahawks. Tom Pelliserow of NFL Network reported Tuesday. Marshall broke the news on his Instagram account, posting a photo of himself, skipping down the street in a Seahawks shirt. And this is going to be the 13th year for the wide receiver,

who really had a lost season in New York last year. The season before that, well, that was with the Giants of season before. Before that, the Jets was also a down year. So, Wes, Seahawks need weapons. Is Brandon Marshall in 2018 a weapon? Only theoretically. Nothing he's done on the football field the last two years suggests that he's going to be a starting caliber-wide receiver.

In fact, the Giants went 0 and 5 with him in the lineup last year. He averaged under nine yards per reception and took until the third week of the season before he had more than two receptions. And I know he's being talked about as a red zone replacement for Jimmy Graham. He's got three touchdowns on 20 red zone targets over the last two years. Jimmy Graham has 15 touchdowns on 40-something red zone targets. It's an uphill battle to make the team, I think.

I mean, to make any team. If he was looking for a team that he could, you know, wind up being a starter, this is it. They have Tyler Lockett, Doug Baldwin, and very little else. Amara Darbo, I think they'd love to step up. He's a third-round pick from last year. But not a lot of guys. But just looking at the contract, for instance, it's $2 million with incentives. The minimum for a veteran of his age is about a million.

So do the math. He's basically getting about the minimum with no guarantees and he'll have to go make the team. And just based on all the surgeries he's at and how he looked last year, I'm not so sure he will. I think it's the cherry on top of one of the most suspect NFL off seasons league-wide by the Seahawks. Wow.

So you don't see this going anywhere? I mean, it didn't go anywhere last year. Right. And we're still living off the fumes of his Jets season. from way back when and no so no he was a top 10 wide receiver in that 2015 season but that is a while ago now and he's been on four teams in the last five years and as west you pointed out when marshal came up a week or two ago on this podcast might not be a great sign for the seahawks because he's oh for 12 uh in attempts at the playoffs in his career so the seahawks if he makes the team Greg the seahawks are his last shot that's they can use that as their listen we didn't realize the hex that is involved with Brandon Marshall. We would have otherwise made the playoffs. No, you wouldn't have.

Prediction. Seahawks make the playoffs and cut Brandon Marshall along the way. Oh, that would hurt. I don't know. That would hurt. Moving on. Julio Jones. See, I set a superstar wide receiver.

I called one a veteran, although decorated career, Greg. A star. He's a star. A star. He's a star player. He was a star player. Was. Brandon Marshall was on this show.

One of our star guests, I would say. Absolutely. Fun player to watch. Overcame a lot of surgeries and injuries. Yes, possibly the most sartorially splendid guest we've ever had on the... Absolutely co-host of Inside the NFL. My goodness, what a resume. But not a superstar right now.

Not a superstar anymore. Julio Jones is a superstar. And he has, you know, he shows, I'm not doing voluntary workouts. You know, I'm not going to do it. And it's because I want a new deal and I'm not going to risk my body out there. And I just, I'd like to get something done. I'd like to get some movement. I'm paraphrasing.

for what he's probably thinking. So it might not even be accurate. But I think I'm accurate. And he spoke with TMZ over the weekend and he dismissed any talk that he's actually upset about his contract. It's not even that, Joan said. Everyone wants a story right now.

There's no story to be told. I'm just working on getting myself better. I'm just working on myself right now. That's all that is. There's no bad blood between me and the team or anything like that. And he went on to say other stuff. everybody's trying to destroy our relationship.

Calm down. Nobody really cares. Julio Jones should get paid, though, Mark, right? I think that's the subtext here. I mean, he's under contract now through 2020. His contract mirrors right now essentially Demarius Thomas. He's making less per year than Devante Adams. And this is a guy who's been the anchoring force and the guy who used outside of Matt Ryan,

who you print on the tickets in Atlanta for years and years. And he's been infallible for the most part. you pay them. You have to redo these contracts at some point or you're going to create discord. I don't think there's bad blood. I think he expects to get paid at some point. It might take a while.

You got to put that into account, though, when you sign a five-year extension with a year left on your rookie deal. You're getting a little more money for knowing that the team's going to lock you in long term. I do like the overall, I don't feel like these OTA, quote-unquote, holdouts, And they're not holdouts.

That's a pet peeve because you're not required to be there. I feel like they're getting less attention this year than ever. Finally. Slowly, you know, Aaron Donald, Levyon Bell, all the people, you know, even Brady and Grong, that's getting attention. But relatively, I don't feel like people are flipping out of it. It's good. If I'm an NFL superstar and a veteran and I've been playing with the same quarterback,

we have the same offensive coordinator coming back, you'd have to convince me why I need to come play in voluntary workouts and risk injury. When you already know the system, you've already caught passes from that quarterback, it's voluntary. Don't do it. That zip-up really brings out your green eyes, Wes. Are they green today? Hazel almost. Yeah, they switch colors, I think.

Really nice. That's what I do. They switch colors, wow. That's what the paramour tells me. Really nice. It's like a choose-your-out-adventure-face. It's different depending on what's going on. Mind me, I need to ask you about something after the show.

very important. This is from Dan to West if you're listening to the show. What a tease for some listeners. It's really important. I just got an amazing idea. Okay, I'm going to put it in all caps right here. Yes, thank you. In other news, meanwhile, on the throne of slees, Cassius Marsh,

another bro that's all about everybody's got to calm down about the Patriot Way. The veteran defense event claimed off waivers by the Niners in November after a nine-game cameo with the Pats. said he was miserable playing under the hood in one. Here's the quote. They don't have fun there. There's nothing fun about it. There's nothing happy about it. I didn't enjoy any of my time there.

You know what I'm saying? It made me for the first time of my life think about not playing football because I hated it so much. That much. San Francisco Chronicles Eric Branch. Give me a break with this. I make some good points. Please.

Where was this mouth that roared when he was in New England? Well, here's what he said when he was in New England. And when he told Jeff Howe, now of the athletic, he said, what is it like? He said, absolutely, it's a great thing to know exactly what you're going to get. Coaches tell you what they expect from you, what your role is, and it's something I appreciate about this place. I'd like to announce that this is the start of a new trope alert.

Oh, it's absolutely a tropelet. This is it. This is the new, it's selling well across the country. Yes, it is. With people like Dan that hate the Patriots, it's the, let's rag on the Patriots are no fun trope. They asked me to do a bunch of stuff that I had never done, covering running backs and receivers and basically almost never rushing the past. They want versatile players? Which is what I did in playing defensive line.

I confronted Belichick about all those things that were going on. I won't get into detail, but it was BS things they were doing. I just wasn't a fan. And so I, basically, without asking to get cut, I kind of asked to get cut. I will just say. That explains why he got dumped so quickly. They gave up a draft pick for him, and they got rid of him awfully quick. And also the quote, you read, when was that quote from?

It could have been before. November. They, oh, well, I don't know. Here's a thing. He had a poor season with some ugly moments that a lot of people saw on national television, too. So, you know, that doesn't help. So you guys don't believe it at all? I think there's, I think it's not.

That system is not for every player. But when it's going well, you love. It and then when you're released and you're looking back and everyone feels like you were one of the players that couldn't fit into New England, he flipped the script and said, oh, no, of course it's not a fun place to play. Well, how many? Yeah, maybe it's not a fun place to play. Reggie Wayne and it was somebody else. You know what's fun? Lifted the Lombardi Trophy. Yeah, but I'm just saying it probably isn't very fun. Can I make a point germane to this trope? Yes. More players have given up more money to play for the New England Patriots than any other organization. So they're doing something right that's getting players to want to play there. They're winning. Yeah, that's fun. Winning is a lot more fun than losing.

Evidence. Nothing is less fun than losing. It's not going to be for everyone. I think that's kind of fair. Grong thought about retiring because it's so stifled in New England. I'm saying, sure, it's a trope, we'll have fun with that. But a lot of people seem to be in the same way. I mean, Gronk has also been through the machine where he's won a bunch of Super Bowls.

He's done anything you could ask of a player, and he's had multiple parts of his body break. down over and over. I mean, it would make you think about what else is there to accomplish. If they offered me a $30 million contract right now, say no. Keep me in this position. What if it was? How about what if it was to go work for patriots.com for $30 million,

which would be quite a landslide for any sort of a journalist? I'd rather work at McDonald's minimum wage. I wonder if he thought Seattle was fun where he didn't really produce and they gave up on them fairly quick, too. I'm just saying. Put away the claws. Okay, guys just sharing his feelings on a situation. Yeah, tough guy.

Moving on after he's cut to say it. Moving on, Cliff Averill, who was one of the key members of the Seattle Seahawks defense on that defensive line. No longer with the team had that neck injury that led to his release. And he was on the Dave Damashek football program known as a DDFP. And he is the latest, this is almost becoming a true. by the way. He is the latest disgruntled former Seahawks player to hang some dirty laundry, toss some dirty laundry at the feet of Pete Carroll. Here's what he said about how the famous decision of Russell Wilson to pass, the play call to make Russell Wilson pass at the end of

Super Bowl 49, which led to the Malcolm Butler interception and the Patriots win, had long-term effects on the Seahawks. I do think that, you know, the team would have bought in more into what Coach Carroll was saying instead of, you know, going the opposite way of, hey, this is what we thought we believe, this is what we thought the foundation of the team was, and that's not what happened in that particular play. So I think guys started kind of questioned him a little more so than actually following his lead if we would have won that Super Bowl. Averill also had this to say about who was really to blame at the end of the day.

The situation sucked regardless of who took the blame, you know, it's just the fact. that we were so close and we weren't able to get it. So I think a lot of guys got turned off by the message. So, Wes, you have the write-up on NFL.com slash around the NFL. Your thoughts? Well, first of all, it might help explain why Richard Sherman and Michael Bennett are no longer wearing Seahawks uniforms, that they are two of the most outspoken guys. And if they were tuning out the head coach, I can see why that decision to part with both

of them might make some sense. And also, I think your mind naturally goes to Bill Belichick and Malcolm Butler. And will the Patriots lose faith in him? I don't think anyone planned to lose faith in Pete Carroll. It just naturally happens after something like that. I think, and I don't even, listening to the entire segment with Damashek, he wasn't coming, Cliff Avril wasn't coming hard at Pete Carroll at all. I didn't think it was remotely inflammatory.

I think it was just him acknowledging the obvious of almost, what had to happen in that situation because it was that devastating a loss. The fact that they, it's kind of silly almost to say it went against their principles that they threw a ball. Of course, you throw the ball sometimes on the goal line. You run the ball sometimes on the goal. It was one play. If it happens to get knocked down, no one's ever talking about it again.

But when it's just that big of a moment that changes an entire franchise's history, it's just like you're going to get salty at the boss. It doesn't really matter whether it makes sense or not. It is interesting, though, because Belichick and Pete Carroll both come into the conversation here and the body of work is pristine you would take it as any NFL fan around the league you would take Pete Carroll and what he's done you would certainly obviously take Bill Belichick in any field of life and it's like instead one moment over does everything about the entire body of work the Pete Carroll loses a locker room think about the coaches who are

struggling in the third or fourth year with teams where you're winning three or four games what are those players thinking about those coaches I think it's a bunch of BS I think it's unfair to Carol. I think he maybe the decision was a wrong one. They should have run the ball with Marshawn Lynch, but Lynch wasn't able to get in in the plays before that. And on top of that, like, he was showing faith in his

quarterback and faith in his wide receivers and faith in his offensive line. It didn't work out. And the guy who really got off the hook because it has always been Carol wearing the goad horns is Russell Wilson. He's the guy who threw the interception. He almost gets no heat for it. And Carol, all these guys, it's one of the reasons

I never liked, and I increasingly had issues with that Seahawks team is that they did a lot of talking, a lot of blaming, a lot of complaining, especially as time progressed. And this is all right fitting in with their M.O., guys getting sent out the door and now, you know, rubbing dirt in people's faces.

I mean, if you want to talk about one moment, and you want to talk about Belichick, isn't it the Patriots and Belichick who had seen that play earlier in the game and diagnosed it? I don't remember that detail. I mean, that's attributed to the fact that they had seen all.

that before and they knew what was coming. To me, these are narratives that are emotional and kind of retrofitted to fit what happened after everything. In reality, the season after they lost at Super Bowl, they were the number one defense in football. So I don't know if were they tuning out Pete Carroll when they led the league in points allowed and they were in the top four in offense. They weren't a terrible team the next year. The defense was outstanding.

They didn't win another Super Bowl. I'd like to just thank Cliff Averill for answering a question honestly. Yeah, that's nice. I agree with that. And I agree with Greg. I don't think he had any ill intentions toward Pete Carroll. No, it came. I saw the headline on ESPN like three or four days after he was on the Sheck Show,

and I was really surprised that, and I could see why. There was nothing untrue about the headline, but he wasn't killing. Maybe not killing, but acknowledging that they were, you know, tuning out Pete Carroll. But like you were saying, they were a dominant defense in the next year. They were, it just to me, it kind of, it's too easy of an explanation for why you didn't get more Lombardi trophy. You also, in your own work, couldn't you tune out management above you and still achieve? Yes. I mean, all the time we do that.

No. Not saying that we do. I'm just saying the common individual does that. The common individual. No, everyone above us in this company, everyone has an offer. Love them. It doesn't apply to them. Always having our best interests, us being.

the little people in mind. Moving on. Teddy Bridgewater. He is one of the remaining quarterbacks for the New York Jets. They got rid of Christian Hackenberg. They got rid of Bryce Petty. So now it's Josh McCown. Teddy Bridgewater and of course, Sam Darnold,

the number three overall pick. According to Rich Samini of ESPN, Bridgewater's trade value is, quote, trending upward this coming during a time when Ridgewater has looked healthy. and has thrown the ball very well in the early stages of OTAs. Greg, you were all fired up.

I wasn't offered. You wanted to get some, you know, Jets assassination into today's pot. So go ahead, have that. This trade value trending up. It's almost as if that's what the Jets want, you know, it to be reported out there. I mean, give me a break. Two days into OTAs, there's literally a column in the major New York newspapers. Teddy Bridgewater could be week one starter.

It's like, let's come back in the middle of August. If Teddy Bridgewater is the starter and maybe he's going to start some preseason games, then we can talk. I mean, what are we talking about here? One or two days of paddless practice and we're saying his trade values going up. His knee injury was so serious. And the head coach of his previous team even came out and said that the medicals and what they were seeing on the field were not matching up, that him coming out in the early stages of OTAs and looking really sharp, I think is notable and does open a window for a potential trade down the line if a team is needy.

Vikings said he looked great in practice, too, for what it's worth. But I guess that's not a new thing. I guess they're one of the few teams with, if you look at all the QB rosters, they have three guys you could call a starter. If the Jets certainly feel the way about the rookie, too, that if someone loses a quarterback and you want a Sam Bradford to the Vikings' like early September type trade, Bridgewater's on that short list, and it doesn't help if there's a little hype around them. Well, I think the fact that Sam Bradford leapfrogged him on a depth chart last year,

the Vikings made no attempt to resign him. He signed one of the worst contracts in the league, and there were reports that his knee was still on the fritz. I agree with Dan. It's notable that he's looking good in practice. I've been a skeptic because it's such a serious knee injury. I want to know what happens when the hitting starts, but it's good news that he looks good now.

I mean, the Vikings call, basically their coach says that Sam Bradford had a degenerative knee scenario and he goes and signs a massive contract with the Cardinals. So it's like if you're desperate, you're going to make desperate moves. We'll see, too, how it plays out because last year, McCown barely played. I don't even know if he threw a preseason pass. And if he did, it was less than five or so.

And that could lead to Bridgewater getting a lot of work in training camp and in preseason. A little showcase. We'll see how it plays out. Here's somebody who's looking to showcase himself still. Adrian Peterson, the future Hall of Fame running back, still doesn't have a job market very quiet here a pin drop on this market mark that's right so he's doing the rounds he's doing the media rounds and chemistry between you two has

back on vacation exactly it's it's here and it better than ever uh peterson is selling himself so he goes on ESPN's NFL live and mentions that the Texans are on his radar as a landing spot here's what Peterson had to say obviously I've mentioned Houston a couple times so this seems You know, this is not kind of sad. It all seems kind of sad. I've mentioned Houston a couple of times. I feel like Green Bay wouldn't be a bad look as well, Carolina. He just says Carolina.

No other explanation. There's some options out there. You know Miami down there in Los Angeles. That would be a nice look too with Todd Gurley. This is a sad quote. To me, it's a sad quote. It doesn't read well in print. The best running back in my opinion of the 21st century.

And that's what you're here. hearing right now it's tough to get old and be if you're the dolphins you must pair him as not even the starter alongside frank gore behind kenyon drake well of course you would do that it's like he's pleading with you to believe him i have offers wait it's tough though because you're right like i i agree it is kind of said but then again like we love that players love football he clearly just loves football it's like the thing that he loves the most in the world and he wants to keep doing it like we it's kind of a desperate plea who's shaming him Known shaming him, just saying there's a bit of a desperation to those quotes.

And it's sad because a guy that's been as great as he's been. It just shows you what it's tough. He feels like he will get a call when someone gets hurt in camp. I wouldn't mind that guy or Texas. I wouldn't mind Green Bay in a little reverse Brett Farve scenario where if you can get him into shape to play the Vikings early in the season and do one of his 100-yard acts like he did last year twice, why not? I don't know.

I feel like the Packers, like, don't bring in a progress. stopper when you've got promising young backs. But the Texans have Lamar Miller coming off 3.7 yards per carry. And Dante Foreman tore his Achilles. I still don't think there's ever been a successful return from an Achilles at running back. In other news, in guys that have their S together news, Laurent de Verne Tardif. Larry. How about that?

Larry, do people call him Larry? American's call him Larry. Larry D.T. Larry D.T. L.D.T. He is the starting right guard for the chiefs, a well-paid one at that. And he graduated Tuesday from McGill University in Montreal where he earned his medical doctorate. How about that?

He tweeted it out wearing a photo wearing a lab coat with his number 76 and his name, Dr. D.T., the full name, but I don't want to pronounce it again, on the back. And this is something that had been in the works for a while. He was a mid-round draft pick a few years ago. The chiefs knew that he was looking down to finish out his education and get the doctorate. And now he does. And my goodness, Mark, what does it say about us when Dr. L.T. is dominating life in such a matter. Again, very lazy us as a group compared to him. DT.

LDK. I just think like the whole, like growing up whenever they characterized football, like the linemen were just viewed across the board without exception, is just sort of raging blockheads. And there are a few. But in the NFL, I just think that does not hold water anymore. They have to manage their bodies more than any other player to keep weight up. They have to. I just think that this guy is an example of enough with the lughead blockhead scenario, whatever you want to call it.

They are every year the highest scoring on the Wonder. That's a take. They are a smart player. Offensive linemen are the best at the Wonderlich. This guy might be the most interesting player in the NFL. twice when he was growing up his family went on year-long sailing trips and he was there with his dad like steering the sailboat sign me up for that he learned he learned english while going through medical school and playing football in college

that's pretty that's pretty hard to do also signed a five-year forty one million dollar contract a couple years ago so he's out there he's a catch ladies what kind what kind of doctor do we know i have i think he has a girlfriend whom he met while going through uh school she helped him learn. You've got to mention where. You've got to mention the great McGill University of McGill where my brother went to undergraduate and

up in Montreal. At which I attended a few very memorable nights in my life including some raves as like a 17-18 year. I believe it's known as the Harvard of Canada. Abba, Abba. McGill University. What a guy. Guy Lane

and Francois. I can't wait to go to Montreal someday. Honey. Oh yeah. It's a much. LD.T.'s girlfriend. Honey. Are you listening? Lock it down. Lock it down. Because you know he's going to be one of those offensive linemen

that loses like 100 pounds once he's been playing. Her name is Florence. She was a waitress at the place he used to go to when he skipped class to learn English. Wow. What a story. Forget about the royal wedding. I want to see LDT and the waiter.

The chiefs are like the deep story line here in this guy's life. I mean, yeah, Montreal's got some banging bagel and sandwich places, too. Wow, Montreal is great, too. Just saying, might have been a great restaurant. In the 70s and 80s, all the Major League Baseball players used to say that was their favorite road trip of the year going to Montreal. Bring back the Expos.

Oh, yeah. All right, can we move on? Yeah, all right. Finally in the news, Mark, you might be aware of Brown Safety Demarius Randall. Yes, I am. You a fan of him as a player? Yeah, I think it's a nice signing for. for the Browns, brought him over from Green Bay.

Okay, okay. And guess what? He's in trouble, potentially. He needs a new contract at this point, it seems like. He needs LDT's contract would help him here because he tweeted out. This was on May 28th. So this was after the Cavs beaten the Celtics to advance to the NBA finals. If the Cleveland Cavaliers win the 2018 NBA finals,

I'll buy everyone who retweets this a jersey. And as of the recording of this podcast, it had surged over 300,000 retweets. So I'm going to get out my little work calculator here. I'll say it will be the, not the official official jerseys, but the replicas, which run typically with tax,

about 55 bucks, I think. So we're talking about, oh, my God. I think you should have to do the real jerseys. What is this number? I can't, I don't know what it means. Is that, is that, 100 and be one point six five one point six five over right now one and a half million jerseys i mean that is one half million dollars dollars excuse me one and a half million dollars right now

because he didn't even cap it he could go even higher some estimates have it at one point over 10 million and now over 20 million well they're see they're grease all right i mean they're pumping the numbers because they're saying oh he's going to buy the official game jerseys i'm sure that's what they're doing don't get cute he would get the replica jerseys i would think not the official jerseys big difference should he be allowed to remove sports writers from the retweets yeah yeah that feels a little bit precious that we've all these sports writers retweeted i like the move mary k retweeted it i don't know who did or who didn't i like the move that i know you plugged in with the browns reporters mark he is trolling browns fans he gets to cleveland

and it's kind of an out i went through his feed quickly and realized he's a big time warriors fan And this is his way of saying, That's how this starts. This is his way of saying, I may wear a Brown's jersey, but your team, the Cavs, have no chance, you chumps. He called LeBron a bitch.

Whoa. Why would you do that? Like, why would you do that? It somehow puts the huge accent into the lake thing is like the less severe scenario going on with that team. Lindsay, I would say that that would be problematic seeing as King James owns a city.

But King James is going to be moving in about a month and a half anyway, so. I disagree. completely, but we'll talk about that on the LeBron James podcast. Oh, so it's really easy for Demarius Randall to call LeBron James that when he's seen the other 11 players on the roster.

Interesting. Caves aren't winning that series. Let's be real. Probably not. I would say Warriors and 5, but I'm going to be good for your team. Lindsay. Caves in 7. That would be amazing. Sweep it up. For some reason, I have more hope this year

than I did last year, and the team's so much worse this year than it was last year. It's going to be tough It could be a tough watch. All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right. Yes, cats, warriors, four straight years. This has never happened in North American sports, professional sports. Right, Wes?

This is unprecedented territory. I have seen several tweets verifying that this has never happened. Four straight matchups of the same two teams. So, with that in mind, let's talk about the NFL. What has been, Greg Rosenthal, what has been the best NFL rivalry of this century so far? Don't say Falcon Saints. No, that's one of my, if not my favorite, but I wouldn't say that was the best one. On balance this century, I guess I'd go Steelers, Ravens.

You know, Colts Patriots is probably right there. Didn't last quite as long. It was big, though. It was a big deal. Colts Patriots, I think, was the most meaningful one, I would say. I'd say most people would answer Steelers, Ravens. The reason I would lean Steelers Ravens is I think they actually had better games. There was a little more actual hatred, and they meant a lot, too.

So the Colts Patriots games weren't always like the classic. How many times did the Steelers and Ravens meet in the AFC title game? The stakes just felt, the stakes felt higher for me with Patriots cults, and it was also Brady versus Manning. but I guess you pick the one that resonates more with you. To me, when I look at, yeah, Peyton and B. Brady, it kind of reminds me of the great 90s robbery of Cowboys Niners. I thought it had that level stakes for the AFC title game felt like the Super Bowl.

Although back then, like when it always was. Kind of when it was at its peak, certainly Peyton Manning's, I think, greatest victory as a pro was the AFC championship comeback against Brady. And that was when Brady was really starting. to take off. But when I think of the Manning rivalry with the Patriots, it was really a Manning Belichick rivalry and a Manning Patriots defense rivalry that was somewhat one-sided. At the time, people didn't think Tom Brady was one of the eight, nine best quarterbacks in the league. You know, it was like they weren't quite at their peaks at the exact same time until the

latter part of the decade. Fair. Okay. So with that in mind, what is the next great NFL rivalry? Mark, we'll start with you. Well, I've got a bunch, but I think one that. I could see heating up real quick and lasting for a while because you have two young quarterbacks. You have two young coaches and you've got a lot of young stars on one team and another team that's in development. The 49ers with Jimmy G. versus the Rams and Sean McVeigh. I think that in that division, you start right there. They're going to play each other twice a year and they probably play a lot of times, three times a year if things pan out the way that you you'd hope for high stakes. And that has all the ingredients for me.

I knew that would come up on this show because I think we're all high on both of those teams and I like it. I think it's fun. It's great. I love that. You like it, Wes?

I have the exact same thing. Let me give you a little bit of peak of what happened at the 1946 winter meetings. Everybody settle around the fire. We think that like all these new roles that they have these, like they have very busy winter meetings now. No, no, no, no.

Here's what happened in 1946. One of the NFL owners, George Preston Marshall, owner of the Redskins, shows up to the meetings and announces... Famously, one of the most racist, you know, owners and professional sports history. When Jim Brown scored against him, Mari Povich's father, Shirley Povich, was writing for the Washington Post, said Jim Brown integrated the goal line over and over and over. So in 1946, George Preston, Marshall, arrives and says that Elmer Layden, the commissioner, will get reelected over. my dead body. That's how it starts. They elect Bert Bell, who goes on to be the commissioner, and he comes up with the

Any Given Sunday quote. The baby a gun, I called him. Deadspin. Love that story back in the day. Oh, yeah. So we're just getting into it. Dan Topping, the owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers, which was one of the biggest teams in the league, an NFL landmark franchise, decides to leave and join the All-American Football Conference, which is just starting.

Dan Reeves, who owns the champion, Cleveland Rams. Rams threatens to leave the league if they don't let him go to Los Angeles. In order to go to Los Angeles, the black newspaper writers have mandated that the Rams have to become integrated. So within days, all of this happens. They lose a New York franchise. They move to L.A.

12 years before the Brooklyn Dodgers of baseball fame moved to L.A., the Rams move out there, and that starts the rivalry with the 49ers. 1946, 12 years before baseball hits the West Coast. Football becomes the first sport to go truly coast to coast. So this is now, it's coming all the way back around. So now it's connecting with the future. That's how it all started. It bubbled up when they...

Time is a flat circle. You had Joe Montana and the Niners. You had Jim Everett and the Rams, but the Niners had their number every single time. Yeah, the Rams were like the second best team. That's the last time those two have really been a rivalry, these two teams. I think this is like the perfect. answer because in a league where the teams are going to, most of them are going to be totally different in three or four years, I'll bet on Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh still being there

in five years and still matching wits and kind of growing up together as great head coaches in that division. Are the Niners ready now, though? That's the question. Are they ready in 2018? We don't know yet, but it's a fair question. I think the offense is ready. I mean, we were saying the same thing about the Rams last year. The people in the desert think so. People love the Niners this year. Really? Very popular team. Which it makes sense,

you know, the way they finished last year. I wonder what spicy thinks. I can always call them up and ask him. So you got, you have the same one? Did you have the same thing as well, Greg? I mean, that was definitely one that was on my mind, but I had a few possibilities. I'll throw a player

the player rivalry out and it won't be one where they see each other much in fact they'll never be on the same field together but for reasons that are obvious to everyone Sam Darnold versus Sequin Barkley is going to be a great great great rivalry in New York between two fan bases where you have the guy that was supposed to be

the successor to Eli Manning ends up now being the potential successor to Joe Namath. And then you have Barclay, who the Giants love so much. They decided to pass on a quarterback and let him go to Little Brother next door. I think this is going to be a really fun subplot. It makes me wish I still lived in New York because it's going to be something. It's going to be a major talk radio topic and the back pages for years to come potentially. And you might not even know how it's going to shake out for three years, five years,

10 years. But I love that as forever. And as a Yankee fan, for instance, you always look at the Mets as kind of little brother and like, oh, that's cute, whatever. And Giants fans look at Jets fans the same way. It's not a real rivalry because the Jets almost play a different sport the way the giants have operated the last 60 plus years in professional football. But now all of a sudden for the first time, the Jets might have the upper hand if something, if this clicks in the right way. And it will stick to the craw of every giant fan in a way that gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. So this is very exciting time to major impact college players going head-to-head through the years, but not really head-to-head, but the fan bases that will inflame the rivalry in New York.

I hope so. I hope so. This is good, though, because you don't like the Giants, so you can root with me on this. My issue with New York teams in every sport isn't just that every time someone sneezes, news is that we're subjected to boring, boring teams from New York, and they get all of the attention. So I hope they do become exciting. I think less so in football, you know, at least because football's the only sport where a team... That's insane. They get so much public. The Jets were awful, and because they had Tebow and Sanchez, everyone wanted to talk, and Rex, oh, give me a break with that.

They get a lot of attention, but football is the only sport where you can be a team pretty off the radar and you're still kind of a national team if you're interesting enough and people will forget. Nobody's talking about the Tennessee Titans. No one was talking about the Jets and Giants last year after a certain point. It does a lot for the beloved Snoopy Bowl.

Let's put that into focus. That thing has got some juice behind it once again. I didn't even think about that. Put that right at the top of the list, that trophy. I'll put, you know, the rivalry that I know if Dick Ebersall was still around running NBC Sports. He's still around. He's still alive.

This is the one he would put. Eagles, Cowboys. I mean, I know. I have that too. Go, Greg. I know that's on NBC. That'll be on NBC plenty. But I do believe in Dak Prescott long term.

So having Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz installed, and those two fan bases love to argue DAC versus Wentz in general because they're from the same draft class. And having Zeke alongside Dak kind of helps even that out because I don't think Zeke's going anywhere. I don't think Dak's going anywhere. I don't think Wentz is going anywhere. So that should be fun.

And we know for it's like it's basically lock it into Sunday night football, minimum one time a year. Maybe eight times. Probably either. They'll just make a rule and just play like half their games against each other. This is a little bit of a transition year, I think, for the Cowboys. Maybe it'll surprise people and be a playoff team again this year.

But if they, you know, go get a wide receiver down the line, if they shore up the defense a little bit. And like you said, Dack and Z continue to progress. I don't think the Cowboys are going away. And I don't think the Eagles are either. So I felt the same way as you. even with a suspect wide receiver core and tight ends that offensive nucleus is about as valuable as anyone's it's the defense are they going to be good enough to make that a rivalry with the eagles

i have a little you know what i can't stand rivalries that like for 20 years or pitch to you as a rivalry but they are not because one of the two teams is a casket just a empty casket with nothing in it and you've been telling me you just been telling me they're looking for the dead body they can't even find the dead body. You've been telling me this NFL. Not at all. You've been telling me this about... Like a casket storeroom.

A storeroom. You've been telling me this about Bears Packers for decades. And I think that it would be great for that division, which to me has been a snooze fest for years, to have the Green Bay Packers challenged by the Bears who have an exciting young coach. You've got a young quarterback. There's a number of players on that team already

that make the Bears a sneaky kind of wild card type feel. You never know they could have a little bit. bit of a jump and I'd love to see them finally I'm tired of handing this division and I in apologies to Vikings fans because they are probably the best team in the division right now but just handing it to Green Bay over and over and on the part of the reason is because you get two wins against the bears every year give me a break with jay cutler and putting that match up on monday night football and sunday football over and over give it some real juice and i'll watch it otherwise i'm not watching it would you be surprised if within the next year that became the toughest division in

football. I think it certainly could. It's much more exciting now because you took two boring coaches and replaced them with two innovators. It's true. We don't need another kind of three-minute montage to start Sunday night football. It's like the most storied rivalry in the NFL, the Bears and Packers meeting for the 185th time. And they're always like breaking the tie of which team one more. It's like, no, I agree. I don't care about that. Why do you hate history? I don't hate history. I'm just saying since I've been watching, it's been one way traffic, and it hasn't been that exciting.

So don't tell me about the best rivalry. All right. Good talk, everybody. By the way, now, before we go, everybody loves Warrior Cavs. Everybody wanted it. The officials wanted it yesterday, if you're watching the Rockets. Oh, please. All those James Harden threes are getting a slap on the arm.

Oh, God. I was thanking God that they did not call those because I do not want the future of basketball to be people faking all these threes and hoping to draw fouls. It's bad for the sport. Getting hit, though. I know what you're saying, but he was getting hit on the arm. Don't do these fluke 40 footers like you, okay, as soon as my arm gets hit, instead of passing, I'm going to throw it at the backboard. Give me a break with that nonsense. All right, all that said, I think people got what they wanted, Warriors Cavs, Part 4. Now our dream

Super Bowl matchups. Let's dream a little dream here in late May. Mark. I have so many, but, um, I will just offer one. I would love to see Andy Dalton and the Bengals upset the apple cart, roll into the AFC championship, devastate the Steelers, go to the Super Bowl, and it's Andy Dalton all week long versus Aaron Rogers. How possibly could Andy Dalton beat the best quarterback of all time? And then Andy Dalton does it, and football is just flipped on its ass for the next two decades. That isn't even my favorite matchup, but that's the one I gave you.

I like your logic too because Dalton is, that would be such an amazing build for him in a career that it seemed to flatline. And then you get to take out the Packers who you hate and you don't like and you want to see them. You always want to see them take a dirt nap. So on a grand stage against Andy Dalton, you love that. It'd be hard to live that down. I was about to argue you, but everything you just said is correct. Wes, dream matchup. Well, Mark picked one team that is haunted.

The one team in the NFL that truly is haunted and hasn't won a playoff game since 1991, the Bengals, I'll pick one of the teams that everyone thinks is haunted, the Chargers, against the Rams, and an All-Angelo Super Bowl. That's what I think the most interesting thing. I said this last week, going on in the NFL is what Sean McVeigh is whispering in Jared Gough's ear at the line of scrimbage.

And I get the point that playcalls have been doing this for years. As Les Need told us on this very podcast, there's 32 offensive coordinators and 32 quarterbacks where the edge is gained is on what that specific play caller is putting in the ear. That's where the edge is gained. And really, really smart coaches are taking advantage of that. I like that. That was my original pick for the Super Bowl matchup as well, but I'm going to pivot.

Great scientists think alike. What do you got? I'm going to pivot. it on the spot here. I had it in my head. Do you want me to give you an extra minute? Sure. Okay.

I got the Jets against literally anybody. All right, you're up. That wasn't very long. Free matchup, that's it. Go on. That wasn't very long. I'm going to go with two organizations I would love to see win it all. The Kansas City Chiefs and the Atlanta Falcons.

I'm in on the Falcons this year. I would love it if we finally get the home Super Bowl this year. We thought we might have it last year in Minnesota. I think that would be exciting for an underrated sports town. And certainly in terms of having some pain in their lives, Atlanta sports fans have been through a lot. And then the Chiefs is really more about Andy Reid. I would love to see Andy Reid and that offense,

which is just exciting to watch. But in general, as kind of a football guy, get his due. Either one of those teams win, and I think it's a great story. Very humanitarian take by you here. Wow. I have a couple of new Greg. I have three that you will like him. I'm shooting for the Walter Payton Man of the Year.

I have three that are hand woven for you. One is just forget L.A. versus L.A. I see what we're trying to do there from the PR angle. We're about five miles away. New York versus New York. That would be incredible. And it would do what you just talked about with Siquan versus Sam Darnold. But how about this?

Eli Manning, who everyone shreds and already has beheaded. That he, last season, he goes out with one more Super Bowl win over the Patriots. would be fantastic. West dies immediately. Here's the even better one. I would put him in the Hall of Fame if he does it. Here's the even better one. That would drive me crazy.

Everyone's wondering at the 49ers are a playoff team. They're a Super Bowl team. They go up and Jimmy G. takes down Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. That would be juicy. Now that I would love to see. Yeah, that would be. That would be my dream matchup.

He didn't say results. He didn't say result. He just said the matchup. I got the result. Watch out. Tom Brady gets that result. Oh, that would be so sweet. And if it was like a shalacking, too,

where Brady looks like. That would be the end of the Patriots. And Garoppel just shreds. That would be the end of the Patriots, he says, after their fourth Super Bowl appearance in five years. No, I think that would break the house. That would burn the house down. All right, good talk, guys.

Really good stuff. A really nice return by Mark, who really came here. And even though he says he wasn't refreshed, he looked refreshed on the show. And he sounded refreshed. Faking it. And now we're going to from here sign off

And then we're going to have a content generation meeting. We're going to have a little meeting on an off-site location. And we're going to dream it all up again. Come up with some ideas. That's what we do. It's like, you know, Greg Popovich for the Spurs throws a little, you know, junket every year for just him and his, you know, just the brainchild.

All of the brain children of the Spurs get together and come up with ideas. Dream it all up again, guys. Okay, let's go. Stan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, Lindsay Fulton behind the guy, still confident in LeBron. My goodness. Till Thursday. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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