NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Tight Ends Get Paid; Bengals Sanctuary

Episode Date: August 14, 2020

A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the news surrounding the NFL including some major contract signings with the Chiefs and 49ers. Also, we take the Bengals out of the den and take them somewhere... else.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Zessler, Greg Rosenthal, what is up, boys? I like just listen to that music. Ride it out. I don't know what tanking for Tamposi means. I mean, I get it. There'd be a prize at the end, but we already have her working for us. So what would we be gaining if we, Put a terrible year's worth of episodes out to come in last place among podcasts. We're on our way.

Yeah, not far off. This is our Friday News Rundown program. Very exciting time for the show because not only we back to three podcasts a week, we have the NFL Network program, which is also airing digitally. So we're recording that today. It goes up where can people get it if they want to watch the digital version today, Friday? NFL.com. I know it's going to be too late, but... NFL.com, I think, at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific.

I think they're putting it on YouTube streaming, you know. You can check it out on the network, 8 a.m. Eastern tomorrow, 11 a.m. Eastern. You know, a little Saturday morning with the kids. Forget cartoons. I like to log on to that, like, 22-pound desktop computer we have in that one room that no one's using and watch it on NFL.com there. It's pretty good. It's just like a gigantic piece of... You have it. You own a desktop still?

I do. Wow. Are you going to bring it to the new house or just like that's getting lost in the mix? That could be one of those things. We've had success just putting large objects at the end of our driveway. Then like a guy in a truck comes by and takes it away in about eight seconds. This in fact will be the last time you ever see this entirely fake background. Have you used like offer up or let go those apps?

Some guy came in a pickup truck and picked up my bistro set yesterday and handed me 50. bucks cash. I got that thing for free. We've gone the less thorny free route. We're just sticking it out. We're in, we're in, you know, the 11th hour of this. This is a shift across the city. You don't have anything to add, Dan?

I mean, it's good. I'm glad you got a plug in there for a company. Mark's telling us about the stuff he's putting on the street corner. But we got stuff to do because, like I said, we're doing a podcast today. We're doing a video show. And it's all there for you, the listener slash viewer. So if you listen to this podcast after it goes up on the digital side of NFL.com today, you know, you can watch it on NFL Network tomorrow morning and, you know, just giving you guys content for the rest of the summer until our format switches up a little bit or scheduling once the season begins.

And we'll tell you all about that. It might be familiar to last year, but with a little bit of a difference as well. The season is started in under four weeks. The kickoff game is what already happened four weeks from now. Nice. The Snoopy Bowl would have been played tonight, by the way. Well, that's the real loss here. If you look at what's happened to the country over the last six, seven months, the Snoopy Bowl's disappearance.

Jets v. Giants. The game really hasn't been the same since Rex has been gone, but that's life. All right, before we get into the news, and this is just a news rundown show because, like I said, we're very busy today, but we need to be in touch with our wonderful listeners. I do have some developing news. Okay, so you guys know, obviously on Wednesday's show, very exciting. We rolled out our new fan club. It is the Bengals Den. It's a fan club?

I don't know. I don't even really. know what it is fan destination it's a place we go place we go a place we visit and then so that's it got off to a nice start there but then um a listener Josh Rosnowski and great job

whenever you got a name like that shut up Thor whenever you got a name like that Rosnowski and then you can just bang it out at Roz and then you're just Roz for the rest of your life that's not bad Roz is not bad yeah anyway

Ross hits up me, Greg and Mark Greg never saw it Here it is Just listen to the pod Great stuff as always One thing though Bangal Tigers don't live in dens They sleep in the open

Or wherever they happen to be Lions live in dens Hence why Fordfield Is called the den who knew Maybe the Bengals rest I don't know It doesn't sound right to me What do you? Mark

This feels feels like something we need to rectify. Yeah, it does. I mean, you know, I did a little bit of work on my own because we were very correct in general. I mean, they originate in India. I found that they swim. They can swim from island to island.

But it left me no closer to a name suggestion. So I don't know if you, what, where we are with that. Well, it does point out that Bengal Tigers and maybe the Bengals are bigger badasses than lions going out from like hiding in their den. Tigers, I did see the tweet right before we started. and check its accuracy. And it's like, yeah, they usually just like sleep out in the open right next to the prey that they just eat ate. I mean, what's more badass than that?

That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. So here's what I'm thinking. Since there is no den, we've got to get him out of that den. So what we're going to do is we're going to move him to a sanctuary and we'll become our Bengal sanctuary. And to do that, listen, Greg, you think it's problematic? We're just getting started. Ricky, let's move these.

bangles. Just the tranquilizer dart. Don't worry. Are you sure that was a tranquilizer? Is that allowed? Pretty sure this was a tranquilizer gun. Let's bag and tag these suckers and get them to the sanctuary. And now we're going to have a bangles sanctuary.

It's going to be great. We're going to take care of them. We're just taking them away in a forklift. I feel like there's going to be interference from certain groups here. I think the word sanctuary means that they're ultimately like rescue animals that couldn't survive on their own in the wild. I don't think you would call it a sanctuary if you're like brutally, you know, hurting them. You know, I knew you'd have a problem with this.

I'm just saying, I've been to sanctuaries. The kids love the sanctuaries. It's all like, you know, three-legged tigers. And, you know, they were found in some place where they can't live. So they, it's the only way they could survive. Or someone tried to have a tiger in the bathtub. They are in danger as a species. Right, yeah.

Greg, you got to get your head out of the clouds. How do you think these, uh, tripod, Tiger is get to the sanctuary. You can't just pick them up or put a leash on them. Well, they just take them there on the metro or something, very safely. No problems. Everything's being done in a humane manner. Now we have this beautiful sanctuary and at the end of the season, Greg.

And this, I think, will make you feel better. We plan to set them free in an open field. In the United States? Bombay. Downtown Bombay is my plan. Downtown Bombay. A beautiful jungle. The Sahara, you know.

I think they liked that. All right. Let's do some news. Now that we've tackle that. They on their face right now. The fuck off the block. What the fuck wrong with you? I don't need to have to crib.

There is. Drake dropped a video at midnight. who you may remember, number five on the top ten things I love about Canada. He's doing the thing. He's doing Drake stuff. And that was Marshawn Lynch, Beast Mode himself, jacking up Drake in the open field and then insulting him in a nice little interlude. Greg, you look very confused. Well, this whole, yeah, I hadn't seen the clip with OBJ and Drake.

The song in general, where he seems to be coming after Push a Tea and Kind. I don't know. Drake, this part of the Drake career, not as into right now. What about you, Ricky? You seem to be an agreement? Yeah, the video's really, really funny.

Like, Drake's crying. He's, like, in a Nike store, like, repetitively, like the Nike ball switch. Like, it's like, we get who paid for your video. He's at Nike headquarters in Oregon. Yeah, it's insane. His whole video, it's so, it's worth checking out, and it's very funny.

It's not a good song. He is the most stream. artist, Mark, you're big on streaming. He is the most streamed artist in the history of music. He actually surpassed Eminem somewhat recently. So Drake is on some, by one

measure at least, the most successful artist of all time. I think he's hit that level or period of his career now where he's probably peaked creatively, but he's more famous than ever. So the music will probably continue to go down, but his fame

will continue to stay where it is. And I think it comes through artistically and little things. Like if you watch that video, kind of the hook, the verbal hook of the song is he goes, baby over and over. And all through the video, he has things like he comes out of submerged water and says, baby. And one time he's like on a basketball court and he gets dunked on. He turns his head and goes, baby. Like all he's trying to do is get a meme. He's just trying to go viral at this point.

So he knows what he's doing. I don't think. So like I jumped on the Taylor Swift bandwagon late. This doesn't sound like the right one to jump on. No, not right now. I do feel like people our age, though, I'm including the guys in the room now that we're all over 40. You know, Dan is right there with us. I'm there.

I feel like our era probably doesn't have enough respect that Drake is, he will go down with like Michael Jackson and Prince for a younger generation as that influential in like one of the greats, which may, you know, you got to give him that respect, which I don't know if he gets from the over 40 crowd. Well, but he will. He got it from me, top five best Canadian things. Hey, also, you guys, fun little nugget, our podcast listeners, it shows you who listens to around the NFL on Spotify, and one of the top streamed artists from our listeners happens to be Drake, so let's not alienate it. We love Drake. We're like 13 minutes into the show.

We've covered, you know, recycling removal, Bengals Lair, Drake. We were being scolded for. you know, going slightly off track about 10 and a half minutes ago and look where we are. Is there anything else that's going out on the street corner this weekend, Mark? No, I mean, there's a lot more I can offer, but I... You're moving. You're moving. It's exciting. Nobody cares. Nobody cares at all, I don't think. So I'll just, I'll see you when I get to the next place. And it's the Bengal sanctuary. Great. Yeah. We don't want to get any more tweets.

All right, let's get to it. Tight-ins getting paid in the NFL. George Kittle and the 49ers in agreement five years 75 million of that 75 million total more than half of it is made up of guarantees 30 million guaranteed at signing 40 million guaranteed for injury still don't know what that means 18 million arriving via a signing bonus it makes them the highest paid tight end by a wide margin surpassing gronk but guess what happened next right after that signing Travis Kelsey got a deal done. Interesting. Interesting numbers here.

Four years, $57 million. Keeps them in KC for the next six seasons. The deal is worth between $14 and $15 million per year and new money average. Kelsey older than Kittal. He's turning 31 in October, but he had two years left on his deal. And Greg, riddle me this, because you're good with the cap numbers and things like that or you're the closest to being competent in this realm on our podcast.

The Chiefs had no room, had no cap space, according to figures that were public a couple months ago. And then they signed Patrick Mahomes to a half billion dollar deal and then made the tight end Travis Kelsey the second highest paid tight end in league history. How did they do it? They backloaded them. They are not, you know, Patrick Mahomes,

especially, he's not making that much money in cash or anything over the next two years. He got a bump, but once you spread that money over the 10 years of the Mahomes contract, you actually saves a little money with that half a billion dollar contract. And then Kelsey, it's a similar thing where they're pushing a lot of the guarantees into the future. They're spreading the money out. They did not have to do this. This was absolutely a move that they are telling Travis Kelsey how much they value him, But they think they're getting a solid deal on them long term,

but that Patrick Mahomes' contract, which was very team-friendly, as strange as that sounds, I think made it more possible for them to sign Chris Jones and for them to sign Travis Kelsey. And that's all part of the mix. Like the guarantees are coming later in the deal. They're pushing a lot of money into the future. You're smiling, Dan.

I mean, we're in a place now, too, where players all around the league, you've got these guys that they'll spend the whole, offseason talking about the money they should be making. They want to be the highest paid this or that. And their team goes four and twelve. The chiefs are very dangerous right now because they have three super key components that this offseason agreed to team friendly, super team friendly deals that allows this nucleus to stay together. It's team friendly in the sense that there is no signing bonus. Yeah. For any of them. You look Kelsey's

breakdown over the years. I mean, it's, I'm not saying it's bad for the player either than making a ton of cash, but you're not going to find a lot of teams where the players talked about we just want to be here. We want to keep this together. I think the Seahawks had to sign a bunch of guys to bundle deals years ago, their whole defense. But, you know, it's so hard to keep it together. With this case, you can look at Mahomes and Kelsey. And I think Kelsey is the, he's not going to fade in the next year or two, the way that he, you look at his career. I just think he's, he's going to live through most of this contract. It's his third one. I love the deal for the chiefs and maybe a little less so for Kelsey.

Two years left, though. You usually get paid with two years left. I mean, it's the type of contract that Patriots never get Rob Grunkowski. And I was tweeting about this and people had a conversation sort of about, okay, Kittle got way more than the next highest paid tight end in the league, but he's still getting less than the top 10

wide receivers. It doesn't really make sense. And I think it goes back to Rob Gunkowski who signed a contract after two years of his contract to start his career that he played the entire thing out. He was by far the best tight end in the league, and he was dramatically underpaid. I understood why he took the contract at the time. It was only two years of into his career,

three years off of a back surgery that people thought was chronic, and he was setting himself up for the rest of his life. But the Patriots weren't given contracts like this that the chiefs gave to Travis Kelsey. That's for sure. It speaks to the culture of fear and intimidation that was going on behind the scenes when the Patriots were special, when Belichick held all the cards. Tom Brady, Rob Gruncowski, the two greatest players in the history of their positions signing way below market deals. It wasn't below market at the time. People thought that they were taking a huge risk because he had just got off back surgery.

Continues to resonate to this day hurting players in the waltz because Bill wanted what Bill wanted. He got those rings and he got those guys under contract. It's kind of silly, though, that tight ends make that much less. It doesn't really. How does that make any sense? Why does he make less than Jarvis Landry? To me, he's as valuable as any single wide receiver in the NFL.

Right, but there's probably only like four or five tight ends that we're talking about that deserve these big wide receiver contracts. Well, of course, but I mean, the position itself shouldn't, as a whole, be elevated. A bunch of tight ends don't do anything. He's the most important pass catcher in their offense. He is one of the most important blockers on their offense, so he affects all phases of the game. Maybe that's something that gets addressed in time. but if it's not happening for Kittle now,

I don't know who it's going to have to be that's going to get that wide receiver money. Let's move on. Everson Griffin off the market. The four-time pro bowler has signed with the Dallas Cowboys. After 10 years with the Vikings, he signs a one-year deal worth $6 million. We're getting wild now, by the way,

over on the dot-com in terms of, I know we want to make sure all the mouths are fed on who did the reporting, but we got a triple we've got a triple source attribution here according to Rapsheet and Tom Pellisero and Jane Slater.

All three of them have reported this so I think it feels safe. We triple sourced our own reporting there within our own building. That's the next level. Usually as an insider, I'll tell you, you go for the triple source and that comes from three sources

outside the building. What we're doing, what we're doing here at the NFL.com is we're triple sourcing internally. before going with something. So that would be nine sources outside the building, three times three, math. I mean, unless the same insiders are getting peppered by the same sources,

which I think would, that probably feels likely to. And they're all Stephen Jones, basically. It feels like a move where I think Tom and Jane, you know, kind of broke it together. And then Ian just tries to jump in and get his name in there. How about this just for the sake of a copy? Because Mark, you and I remember this on a desk. and we, when we were all the ATN writers, why don't we just create a person like a Frankenstein,

Ian Pella Slater. And we don't have to put all these names. I like the idea of that. I doubt they will. Let's get the focus back on ball, 32 years old. Griffin, we know we can play. He's had some off the field issues that led to struggles for him at the end of his Minnesota run or took him off the field.

But, Mark, this feels like a really nice value add for the Cowboys who get a proven player at a cost that is well below what you would expect a player of Griffin's ability. I love it for Dallas. I mean, we talked about the fact that there really just wasn't someone across from DeMarcus Lawrence that the pass rush was weak. You put them on a line that also has Gerald McCoy, Don Terry Poe. I think this was a wonderful move for Dallas at a great cost for one year.

they have sort of NFC title game vibe to me if things go right. And Griffin has talked about with those issues that he dealt with two years ago that he is continuing to work with the right people to make sure that that doesn't bubble up again. You know, not super sure what's going on with all that. But last year he was very productive. And I think it's kind of, it's a loss that after being linked to returning to the Vikings all along and so many changes in Minnesota that they didn't get Everson Griffin back. Then he goes to Dallas, a team that probably will vie for a division title or with the Vikings for a wild card spot and potentially could be the difference here.

Well, the Vikings didn't want him. I don't know what the story is there. He's certainly one of the most productive players for the Vikings over the last 10 years, including last year. He had more knockdowns, QB not like QB hits than Nick Bosa and Aaron Donald. He was in the top 20 in hurries too. He was in the top 10 in knockdowns and in had. eight sacks too. So something was going on, but they had no interest in bringing him back. Why do you think, though? Because they mentioned that they were open to it months ago. Maybe it was a mutual thing, but they certainly weren't interested in paying them very much money, or else they would have. I mean, they gave like $9 million to a nose tackle in Michael Pierce from Baltimore. They're starting a seventh rounder from three years ago at defensive end. And Dallas, who I thought was really thin up front, they still have very much a boomer

robust kind of defensive line is McCoy and Poe, free agents, and Alden Smith and Griffin all going to work together well? I don't know. Those are all kind of like upper-aged guys, you know, at the back half of their gear. But they all were pretty productive last year. On paper, like that could be the key to their team. If that defensive line is great, they could fly. And if not, then the secondary, which doesn't look nearly as great could get exposed.

Mark, this is not really related, although it is Cowboys. really. You mentioned that they could be a team you see gets to the NFC championship game. Do you realize boys and listeners that the Dallas Cowboys have not even made the conference championship game

in the NFC in a quarter century? If you're about getting to the Super Bowl, they haven't even gotten to the NFL's version of the Final Four in 25 years since they won the Super Bowl in the 1995 season. Well, I mean, they were perfectly, there was, like, how how more milk toast could the Jason Garrett experience have been?

And they hung around with that much longer than some teams would. But I am aware of that because I think that the draping over Jerry Jones for a long time has been all the hoopla draping the team. But hold up now. I know we like to take our shots on Jason Garrett, but Jason Garrett got there in 2010. There were 15 years before that. It's, I think, midway through Garrett's career,

I think Jerry Jones, and then you throw in Stephen Jones, Let the front office change some of their strategies a little bit. Their drafts improved, and they have the roster now to get to an NSC title game, if things go right. They've had a good quarterback, though, for 15 years now in a row. Yes, they have. So that's a disappointment. That's stat, I think, is not a surprise to Dallas fans, that's for sure.

That is, like, mentioned every morning on Dallas radio. It's kind of the John Abraham stat for the Jets that the Jets have not drafted a pass rusher since John Abraham. And by the way, Dan, I've seen that twice in copy. regarding the Jets. They can't stop. The Jets B-Riders can't let it go. The Athletic, yeah, had it, and I've seen it twice in the build-up to the season. Connor Hughes, yeah, of the athletic.

No, the Jets have not had a pass-rusher since the John Abraham trade in 2005. It's been a while. But, all right, in other news here. It's an important position, though, so I could see why they'd go elsewhere. You don't really need one of those. You know what's crazy? Like, even the Jets, who stink? And they don't know how to do anything, it seems.

They went to their conference title game twice in the last 11 years. The Cowboys, 25 years, it's almost impossible to believe. All right. The Falcons added Todd Gurley this offseason. They're hoping that he finds the fountain of youth. They're hoping that what the Rams believed, that they once had a franchise altering talent running back, but knee issues made him a pedestrian player,

and they decided to take a financial bath to just move on from Gurley. Dan Quinn and company. Welcome in Gurley. He will be limited, it appears, once the team gets into legitimate training camp practice. This is from Vaughn McClure, great name of ESPN. And McClure added, and you could arch your eyebrow here, that Gurley has been spotted limping while he walks at practice and wearing one of those compression socks over his surgically repaired and arthritic left knee. However, This is how you, this is the old, you know, Cessler on the fence. This is how McClure covered himself. He's also moved very well in practice. Hmm. Sit on that fence, McClure. Well, I mean, he's reporting.

He's always watching, you know, he's watching non-padded practice. I'm just having some fun. Put a put on the Todd Gurley tape. That's all I need to see. You know, it's this weird thing. People are like, well, if, you know, if Todd Gurley, like, gets right. It's like, well, he's second. in the league and carries over the last two years.

He's been on the field. We've seen a lot of Todd Gurley since midway through 2018, and he's there, and he's fine. He's a running back who, he ran hard last year, didn't make many people miss. I would say was a round league average for a starter. I'm surprised he got the contract he did. Like, it's wild to me he got about the same amount of money that Everson Griffin got. And that Bruce Irvin got from Seattle. Seahawks fans, by the way, trying to convince themselves that they didn't want Everson Giffon, please.

You're paying Bruce Irvin more money than Griffin? Come on. Is that what Seahawks fans are doing? They are. I follow too much of Seahx Twitter, and there's a lot of like, oh, well, we didn't want Everson Griffin anyways. I think it's very interesting that Greg is very plugged in on certain Twitter feeds and pockets of Twitter, but then conveniently didn't even see certain tweets that we

raise up into conversations. So I don't, I'd like to. That's because I'm muted all those people. Well, are you insinuating that he's lying to us, that he sees everything? No, no. I just, I think Greg is, we all have our quirks and I could see Greg muting and not seeing certain things. I could, I could see that happening. And I don't have any more analysis on that topic. All right. In other news. Good luck to you, Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley always seemed like a good

guy. I'm bummed because we live in L.A. and he really is a kind of a dynamic, charismatic type dude, it seems. And he should have been a big part of the city's sports landscape. But man, He's still in those Gatorade ads, or is that Powerade? Whatever it is, those ads, I think it's on during the NBA. It's every five seconds. And it's like, hey, it's the biggest stars in sports. You know, it's like Bryce Harper and whoever and Todd Gurley. And I was like, huh, it's interesting.

That Gurley's still in there. Those billboards came down in a hurry. What? I hope it wasn't Powerade. Like, Powerade is like the Wrangler jeans to Gatorade's Levi's. Maybe it's Gatorade. I don't know. Powerade.

in other news the bills do some business they give their left tackle dion dawkins a four-year 60 million dollar extension rap sheet and rap sheet alone reported the deal is worth 60 million with 34 million guaranteed this is another hit by the front office in buffalo a 2017 second round pick who was entering the final year of his contract so you can play out your deal and you get to the final year then your team takes care of you It's not that complicated. Now he's tied to Buffalo through 2024. Hey, what are you trying to say?

What do you think? Oh, it goes back to Jamal Adams? Yeah, we'll get to Jamal in a second, but just a little bit of patience. You know, Axel Rose taught us about patience. Well, on the part of the player, I mean, yeah. Yeah, patience. Anyway, Dawkins has started 43 games in three years in Buffalo. Wait, but he started the same amount of money,

the same amount of games as Jamal Adams. Right? And they took care of him. They took care of him. Has it missed a start. They took care of him. Yeah, he's entering the final year of his. Yeah.

He's entering the final year of his rookie deal. So this would be the time to pay Jamal Adams, I think, by that logic, right? Well, we didn't have the opportunity because the Dallas Cowboys called my GM and my GM picked up the phone. And that was it. That was the end of the relationship. A lot of money. Are we, a lot of money back here again. This is kind of gets to my kiddle thing.

Like you just have to be kind of like an average starting left tackle. Maybe Dawkins is a little better than that. He's a good young player. He's a good starter. If you find a left tackle, you just keep him. But he's kind of getting the same as George Kittle money. I guess that just, it just is interesting to me how that works. Well, I just think there's no questions about the left tackle market.

And the tight end market should have tight ends. And then, STE, like super tight ends. Like there's four or five of them. Those guys make that money. That feels a little too close to STDs. It does. Even as I just, as I was saying that I'm trying to contract the ST. We want as many STDs as possible.

How about PGTEs, pretty good tight ends, get less, and VGTEs. Very good tight ends. We run a two SDD format, two SDD offense. That's what we like. They're very stable on the offensive line in Buffalo. That's what you're. you're looking for. This was a terrible offensive line for years and years. It is one of the hardest things to kind of rebuild. I think it's going to be your boy, Joe Douglas' biggest challenge

here. And I don't know if they're a great offensive line, but they're stable. They're going to be fine. They're not going to be the reason that the Bill's season goes off track or not. Speaking of Jamal Adams, defensive coordinator of the Jets, Greg Williams, got himself. He stepped in a little bit in his Zoom meeting with the media on Thursday. Adams came up and the context was, you know, what's going to be the difference between the way Greg Williams used Jamal Adams is a jack of all trades on his defense. And what's going to happen now that Adams is playing for a different team

over in the Pacific Northwest? Here's how the eloquent Greg Williams put it. Jamal may get bored there because they don't use their safety type things and all the different complexities of maybe this, maybe you got it, Greg, go. Not showing what they're doing as much as we do.

I mean, can I speak for the triple Gs out here? Greg Williams is one of us. That stumbling he had was him realizing as he was talking. Oh, I just stepped into it again. I just, for no reason I said something that was unrelated

to the question, and it wasn't really being spirited. I don't think, but I just, whoops, I just stepped into it. He's like, I already gave them the headline. I do that all the time. I already gave him the headline. I don't have headlines.

Jamal Adams will be bored in Seattle. I gave them the headline. Now I've got to find a way to massage this. And he wasn't prepared to do the massaging and things went off the rails. Like midstream, he's realizing that he's taking down the architects of the Legion of Boom.

And like Cam Chancellor responded to this. Earl Thomas probably has a few words to say about it. Greg Williams took your braille Peppers and played him about 40 yards deep for an entire season two years ago in Cleveland. You knew what he meant. You knew what he meant. I know. I don't think he was mean-spirited, but I mean, it's just like he just, you know, what these, there's too many people talking all the time. Greg Williams is a excellent defensive coordinator. I mean, I really do think he's great. The Jets, who had almost no talent last year, besides Jamal Adams, were a top 10 defense.

I wish West was here. Me and Wes used to be arguing about Greg Williams on this podcast back in 2014. Now it could be you and Wes. It'd be fun. He's also the most successful head coach in the history of the Cleveland Browns, 1999 to present. So this man has had some football success. Well, he's going to be your head coach in about two months. So you're signing up for the same ride. And then he'll be gone.

And the Dan defends Greg Williams campaign will end at that point. He'll have no more ties to him. Pete Carroll responded, by the way. Pete Carroll said, you know, we're so simple here and basic. You know, we probably won't get to any of that stuff. You know, that might be a good idea. And then later, and you can tell Pete Carroll, was annoyed because he brought it up out of nowhere.

They asked what Adams brought to the team as a past rusher, and he said, well, he's not bringing Greg Williams with him, that's for sure. And later said the Seahawks defense doesn't make as many mistakes as the Greg Williams defense. So it was good. They're all just speaking, they're all speaking facts. I think the Jets had a better defense than the Seahawks last year, but I'm sure with Jamal Adams. Oh, definitely.

Yeah, they did. The Seahawks will probably have a better defense than the Jets, because he's an impact player. All right. Finally, in the news. Do we hit everything? I think we got everything. Not a huge news.

The helmets are on, but they're not really like tackling. I think it feels like Monday is like the almost unofficial start of like real football. Do we hit the Bengals Den thing? Yes, we did. Hey, Ricky, was that, did you check the ballistics on that? That was a tranquilizer dart, right? Yeah.

It sounded, yeah, it was for sure. I don't want Peter or anything coming after us. It was definitely a tranquilizer dart. I mean, that would have PETA coming after you, wouldn't it? I don't think they're fans of the tranquilizer dart. What's the overall scope of, you know, I think we're trying to take these into a safe place. He's still active. Back out the truck.

It looks like we bagged another one. I mean, I respect the Bengal Tiger. Put any one of us in a room with a Bengal Tiger. We'll see how many jokes and sound drops you're doing. Wait, what's your take here? I'm saying, us versus the Bengal Tiger, we're stuck in a room. You're not going to be... Who's arguing with you on that?

We're taking them to a sanctuary. A safe place. Mark, you're absolutely right. What Greg is failing to understand here, because I see Greg is doing the thing where he's going towards... the, wow, this bit's a little too far. I'm having fun. I'm having fun. Beyond the pale. No, what we're doing with the Bengals, we're taking

into a sanctuary, and we're taking care of them, bagging and tagging them, and then we set them free at the end of the season. It's a little nap. A little, tranquilizer just... So what is the purpose? What are you trying to accomplish in these months? Well, we stuff them into a den, and apparently, you do not do that with the Bengal Tiger. That's for lions. So we had already,

we'd already like Greg Williams stepped in it. And now we need to kind of retrace our steps, step out of the poop, and try to, we have to rectify the situation. I mean, Dan, your final step is to drop them off in downtown Bombay. I think we might need some rewriting. That just sounds like total human chaos. We have time. Oh, before we go, we have breaking news. This courtesy of the latest

Bangor from Nick Shook over on NFL.com Yeah, boy, Mark. Baker Mayfield admits he lost himself in 2019, but he feels better getting back to the basics in 2020. I like everything I'm hearing out of Cleveland, including the fact that, you know, I feel like this wasn't even allowed back then,

but Stephansky, Kevin Stefansky, their coach, got on a plane and flew. to Texas to hang out with Baker Mayfield for a bunch of time in February and everything since Baker Mayfield's body looks tight. Arrow up. Arrow up. He also said, you know, they asked them about, you know, kind of all those challenges they have and he said, we've said as a team, the more time we do complaining, that's the less time we have to work. This is a new. That's my mantra. This is a new. Move in silence. Erica, do we still have another breaking news?

I got another one for you. Let's do it. I think our network show started. Right, our micropod must get to 55 minutes. Let's do it, Erica. Tavon Austin is back. You thought he was gone when he signed that big contract on Hard Knocks four years ago? He's on the 49ers.

They signed J.J. Nelson, too. Their receiver group is not looking too good with Devo Samuel Hurt, the way. You're looking for a reason for the 49ers and take a step back. Count a lot on Brandon Ayuk, a rookie receiver. Wait, you also have them, you had their secondary on the come-down players of 2020. Well, they look like the best

team in football in some ways, but I'm trying to look for some ways that maybe we could run into props. It's not a good receiver. 12 and 4. You're signing Tavon, Austin, and J.B. Nelson, right now. One of my favorite tropes ever, and it finally stopped this year because he only, now he's just a camp body more or less, but Tavon Austin when, I don't know who it was. It was maybe one of the Jones boys, maybe Stephen Jones said that Tavon Austin last summer was going to get like 15 to 20 touches a game. And I think he had 15 for the entire season.

That is a former top 10 overall pick Tavon Austin who instill one of the most shocking moments in, Hard Knocks history got a fat contract extension during that 2016 Hard Knocks season. I can't believe Jeff Fisher, not, well, Jeff Fisher didn't survive. I can't believe Les Needs survived that contract. Well, West Need, friend of the show, but I will say there are a couple contracts out there in Ramsland. That's not how I operate, Mike. You got to call it as you see it.

You know, we could talk about friends all day on this show. I mean, we've just put like a wreath of flowers on Greg Williams head, so I don't buy a word of it. I mean, it's all about what works for today. I did not put a wreath of flowers on Greg Williams said. Like 200 times you have since last off-season. He's a good defensive coordinator. And the best Brown's coach of all time, 1999 to present.

I see what you're trying to do, but I, you know, I'm just not going to fall for it this time. He's the best coach on the Jets staff, which means they're totally disorganized. It's fine. They'll be fine. 12 and 4. Shock the world, baby. All right. We'll be, again, we got a network show coming up.

So check that out Saturday morning, DVR it. In fact, if you have it already recorded, I check my own direct TV. It will record, but double check if you have a season pass and give us some love or watch it in real time. It's very early, potentially, but do it. And we'll be back Monday with another episode of this, their audio show. Let's go. Dan Hans is signing off for Quiet Storm The old boss

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