NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - TNF Recap: Giants and The Washington Football Team

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus and Marc Sessler recap the crazy NFC East game between WFT and the New York Giants. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Heineke throws it into the end zone. Touchdown! What a throw in Ricky Seals. Jones is there. Good snap, good hold. Kick is good. Washington wins it. You know, I don't have a lot of sympathy, fan sympathy for New York.

Giants fans. In my lifetime, I grew up in New York, and in my lifetime, they've been to the Super Bowl in 1986, 1990, 2007, 2012, all wins, went to another year in 2000 and lost. He's been to Super Bowl five times, and he had four Ws, and all those wins are kind of famous Super Bowl wins. So when Giants fans get fired up like they did tonight in the wake of a really painful 30-29 loss to the Washington football team, you know, the text buddies, I'll give them their space to mourn the loss. But when I start seeing texts like, nobody knows how to lose heartbreakers like the Giants. It's like, check your privilege, bro. Dan Hans is here with Mark

Sessler and Ricky Hollywood. Yeah, Mark, all that said, Giants fans have had a nice lifespan overall. Doesn't make what happened tonight any easier to swallow because that was a tough way to lose a football game. Well, I think it's a reminder that, like, because I, you know, I'm the same way. I grew up close to you, although I grew up in Connecticut. So zero street credit on anything New York-wise. Can I get kind of a tough? It's kind of a, it's a bit of a bad beat because you just want to find what's your identity? And Connecticut's just like, you know, Connecticut, right? Well, I think it's portrayed as it's portrayed as if I was, you know, traveling around town like in a horse and

carriage, which is not the case. But, um, I, I understand the whole, the whole concept. But, you know, I have, I grew up around Giants fans and Jets fans too. That's the only two teams that were televised in our area. And my dad was a Giants fan. And I, I also tonight, um, I would say I have Giants fans who are older. They're a little philosophical. They understand that there are ebbed and flows to the franchise history, but they are ultra frustrated this evening. Logical Giants fans who looked at a G-Men team that gave this game away, what, three times, four times? I mean, in pretty incredible fashion. I'm not sure that this game matters in the larger scope of what will happen this season, but on a more micro level it was pretty insane to watch these two longtime division foes punch for punch with two

quarterbacks we came and not knowing a lot about i know which one gets my fire going a little bit more um i don't think it would be a surprise to you but the g men they've got to be frustrated this evening they handed that game away you know i kind of disagree well i agree with you of what you're saying is that you don't think it matters that much in the scope because neither of these teams will probably be playing in that's all i mean i i well not february february yes right I agree with you on that, but this is also a wide open division and I think nine wins can win this division. So this has a chance to be a major game in terms of both the, both of these teams. And Washington gets the W they need.

Now the Giants and a game that they had, it's done. If Dexter Lawrence doesn't jump off sides there on the first field goal attempt, the game is over. And that is, you know, as a fan, and I'm not trying to pick on the Giants fans. So don't get after me. I'm just telling you what it was like to grow up. And I'm 41 years old. My team's never been to the Super Bowl in my lifetime. And you've had, you have a whole hand.

You have five trips. That's all I'm saying. But my point is, like, that is one of the worst things a fan can experience is the other team misses the field goal and you're celebrating in your living room. and then you say you hear there's a flag and it's jumping off sides right in the center of the line Dustin Hopkins gets the second shot and Hopkins puts it through.

And that is good job by Washington. They showed resolve all night. The defense tightened up when it had to in the second half. They got a little lucky, of course, because as Mark mentioned, the Giants killed themselves with mistakes all night. Maybe, well, nothing's going to be bigger than the Lawrence offside. jump, but also, of course, the Darius Slayton touchdown drop on a busted coverage earlier in

the fourth quarter, which was the Giants chance to really seize control of that game. So you have those two huge mistakes. And then I thought Daniel Jones was really good in this game, Mark. I know he's nobody's definition of a rising star in the league, but I thought he was, he didn't have a turnover. I thought he threw the ball very well. Obviously, if his receivers help him out, he has two touchdown passes in a 300 yard day in addition to nine for 95 on the ground. He was really good, but Heineke is the guy that's going to get the headlines because he's team won. And guess what? Like I think Taylor, why would you, um, don't want to get ahead of myself, Mark, but what are you going to really put Ryan Fitzpatrick, the 39 year old guy back in if Heineke is showing signs of growth

here because in his third start, he really looked competent. I think they might just because it's a Ron Rivera team, and it always tilts towards the, you know, steady veteran. But, but, but, but that's a long way off. And I think that they, you know, they invested in Taylor Heineke. They, they investigated to find him. They brought him here. He's starting for a reason. Um, this is a special guy. There's something about him. I mean, I saw an interview this week that last year, right before the Bucks playoff game, he had to email, he was going, you know, he was taking college courses because his future was up in the air and he's 28 right he didn't realize that right he had finals scheduled um you know for january and had to email his teacher saying excuse me i need to delay my finals just a bit because

i'm about to face tom brady and the buccaneers and the playoffs and the teachers were like that seems like a fair excuse you can take the finals down there he passed them he passed the courses so i think there's something about them i mean just kind of honestly watching i think one of my favorite ways is to watch interviews with players to get a fine idea of who they are there is a fire to this dude. And I just love Taylor Heinege from that angle. I think also he gives them a lot on the ground. He is a guy that, you know, he went through some ups and downs in this game and he keeps getting back up. But for the Daniel Jones thing, because what quarterback, you know, three years in was getting hit with more criticism and especially in the New York area than Daniel Jones. Because

at this point, you're even also looking across the way at Zach Wilson thinking, Zach Wilson seems like in one game, despite all the hits, can do things that Daniel Jones can't even manage three years in. And he gives the ball away. Tonight he was clean. He made a couple big throws. You know, he had the 58-yard run that was negated. I mean, he is a factor on the ground.

You don't ever think about him that way on a week-to-week basis. But you have your Josh Allen, your Lamar Jackson's. Tonight what we saw from Daniel Jones was pretty saucy on the ground. So I don't know. My thing is this, though. do you trust him to do that two weeks in a row? That's just what we've not seen. But his highs are his highs and his lows are a problem.

Yeah, the consistency is an issue. He's good until he's not. But like, think about it, the 56-yard run negated by a holding that was very questionable. I mean, the Giants had no business losing this game. This is a killer loss for them. And then the Slayton drop absolutely is a ball. he has to catch. Maybe it's six inches a little further than you want it to be. So it wasn't as blatant a drop as you'll ever see. But it's right on the edge, considering there's no one

around him within 20 yards. If he, if that throw is completed, if that penalty flag is picked up, like everyone's talking about how Danny Dimes just put together the best game of his career. So he was that close. And even when you take those things out, I thought he was very good. It's something to build on and for the Giants who are now entering must-win territory. I don't care if it's a 17th game season instead of 16. If you start 0 and 3, you're pretty much cooked. Luckily, they have a home game against the Falcons. So they get a chance to get their season back on track next week, but nothing is a given. The Giants aren't a great team. And meanwhile, look at it this way, Mark, if Dustin Hopkins does not get that second chance to make that field goal, and it went from 48 to

43 after the Lawrence penalty, they're 0-and-2 and heading to Buffalo next week. And I think they'd be heading to Buffalo with-sliding doors. Right. I think they'd be heading to Buffalo with questions about just how dominant their defense is because there were a number of big pass plays given up. You know, Daniel Jones running for a number of big gains. Sequan Barkley had a big gain himself. I mean, this is, if you look at who Washington beat last year. Now, Washington started, you know, talk about getting into a hole. they started two and five a year ago and won the division with a terrible record and a terrible we get what was going on with the east last year but it was coming all off season was how

dominant this Washington defense is their front is unstoppable where's the pass rush in this game where was it last week where was it last week so I think that's a question mark let's go I think they are young and they are sweaty I don't think that we question those characteristics but it's about stopping the run and rushing the passer also it's interesting because, yes, young and sweaty, there's so much there, so much potential. But also when you really, if you distill it, sometimes being young, especially in sports, isn't a great thing. Sometimes being sweaty isn't so good.

Sweaty is a big problem. I mean, in a lot of areas. A couple of other thoughts. Sequin Barkley, he had one big run. But I thought after the James Bradbury interception where you thought the Giants had a chance to steal that game with about two and a half minutes to go. I thought to myself after the Giants, I believe, went three and out and then kicked the field goal. Man, if they had the real Saquan Barkley, the healthy guy, maybe they can close that game out there. So the fact that they can't really lean on him yet or he's not able to be that guy yet is hurting their offense right now.

And then did you see Kenny Gallaudet after a fruitless possession in the fourth quarter yelling at Danny Dimes on the sideline? This Gallaudet free agency experience, not off to a great start. He has not made the impact they expected. that Sterling Shepard has been by far their best receiver. Right. I mean, their most productive wideouts have been Shepard and Slayton, who were already there. Ghaladay, eight targets, three catches, 38 yards.

Barclay did have, I'm looking here, 16 touches. So that's not, you know, that's a, you know, he's inching up week by week. They're working his way, yep. I think they have a plan for him, but, but you're right. He, you know, by nature, he's a little boom and bust also, and they've built their offense around him. So I do think, though, if you get this version of day, Danny Dimes, you know, next week and the week after.

If this is who he can become, you're in a different place. I just think that anyone with a sane mind needs to see more evidence. You know what? He's a weird. He's a weird one. I understand if you're a Giants fan or you're the Giants front office, you watch him play. And I like, I think he has a good arm. I think he's got a great build.

He runs like the Dickens, Mark. Yes, he does. He can move. He is an unbelievable. athlete. So it's kind of there. But now here we are in year three. And he just needs to, like you're saying, he needs to stack some games and show that he can be that guy. But I thought for him, this was a good start. And with a little bit of luck, he would have been a huge story going into the weekend. But guess what? That's not, it wasn't meant to be. But let me ask,

how about I ask you a question, though? Because let's just say you didn't, you knew nothing about draft pedigree, background, name, what's come before. You're watching Daniel Jones, you're watching Taylor Heineke, who would you take? You don't know that one is,

you know, what was undrafted and taking finals a year ago and you didn't know the other was a first round pick. I would think based on just this game, that I would be in pretty good hands with either one,

because I thought they both played really well. Well, you might be in a lot of trouble with either, but I might go Heineke. I don't know what. I just think that to me, I think Jones's athleticism to me

jumps off the page or jumps off the screen so it's just that's the frustration of it all and before we go you know what we need to check in on

we've got to go behind the velvet ropes because my goodness and people don't understand with the kicker club it doesn't matter who won the game because who cares

who gives a shit about the final score mark sure It's all about the kicking. It's all about what happened between the big yellow pipes. It's all we care about. And this was a clinic. This was a master class.

And Hopkins got picked up there on the penalty. But guess what? When you walk off on a field goal for a 30-29 win, you're popping bottles. And when you're Graham Ganoe, guess what? You just got your own private booth area where they send the girls, you know, some of the girls that work there. They get assigned to just hang out with the guys for the guys. the night. That's their job. Popping bottles. They bring out the... Ricky, you know this. That's the role. That's the party girl. A bottle. And we're talking about the oversized novelty

bottles with the sparklers on top. With the real stupid stuff. Just real dumb stuff. I mean, Ricky, you know, Dan and I were actually invited to one of these parties. It was a Jay Glazer party. And we were in a roped off section. And there were, there were various bottles there. And we were, we actually were not allowed to pour them ourselves. These girls had to come come into the roped-off section to pour them into our glasses. That's the kind of service you get at the care. I assume I've not been in there. Did you say we were with Rappaport?

We were with Rappaport. We were with Rapsheet. Was that the night that Golden Tate said he'd buy me a drink and paid with a $50 bill and didn't get the change back? No, you were like in high school at this point. I don't, you were not on the scenes. You were a baby. No, we went with Rapsheet and, you know, because Ian is the NFL Network Insider,

that gets you good thing. So I remember we got like a really nice private car. We all got Mofies for some reason. The Super Bowl is such a ridiculous event. And then we got to the event and it's Jake Glazer's big party and it was a poolside and I think it was in Arizona. And we get our own cordoned off area right by the pools. Mark said, and we're enjoying it. We're having a fun.

But Ian, Rapsheet, he's all, you know, the wheels are always turning. He's working. He's working. And he says, in his mind, he thought that we were put off in this velvet rope area with Ian. So he wouldn't be able to mix it up at the party and make, you know, contacts, do his thing, get better as an insider. That was Glazer's little power move. Oh, I'll give you the private area where you can't get out and mill with the people and get in on my insider credit. I'll always love that.

That's some real insider heat right there. It is. Where my headspace was, I want to pour this drink for myself. Only this minstress must do it for me. Oh, tough life. You know, it's, oh, exactly. No, I, I warmed up to the scenario very quickly without, I wasn't trying to get information from anyone, so. But Graham Godot went five for five, just banging 50 plus yarders through the pipes with ease. So, you know, good game by Graham.

Great game. And if you have Graham and fantasy, good for you. All right. Definitely. Joe Judge is a special teams coach. Let's just leave that there. And you know what, Ricky is very bitter towards the Giants, by the way. Yeah, they're just, their fans are just, I can't deal with it.

Ricky, just know, no matter what happens from this point on with the Giants or your beloved Patriots, the Giants will always own you. Of course. Nothing will ever change. Of course, a hundred percent. Because Tommy and Bill can never beat Eli and Coughlin. There's just no way to do it unless you could get it. time machine no it can't be done you're so right and i i totally totally agree with that and that's why i don't want them to do well but it's their fans that i can't and i have a lot of family members

most of my family members actually are jets fans so i like the jets more than i do the giants yeah in my new york side of the family um but yeah so they've always been jets fans but the giant like just keep giants fans in general are just the absolute worst like go cry me a river like now you're stepping on my toes a little bit as a New Yorker. You got to be careful here. I'm allowed to. I'm allowed to say because that's where I came from. That's who I am. And a lot of the people I care about are Giants fans. But you're an outsider. So like, you know, that that feels like piling on. That's all. Okay. Right. It's untoward. It's unfair. I don't appreciate it, to be honest. But just enjoy this, Ricky, because that's a nice, if you are somebody that roots against the Giants, just know the Giants fans are not

sleeping well tonight. And by the way, Giants fans are also Yankees fans, and Yankees, they blew one to the Orioles tonight who have 99 losses. So really bad New York Sports night. Caring less about that result, but fair enough. Really bad New York Sports night. 99 losses and the Giants still suck. All right. So let's wrap it up. Again, check out the week two preview pod, which was from the new studio, the Chris Wessling podcast studio. in Hollywood Park get yourself up to date for all the games to come on Sunday and Monday

and yes we'll be back Sunday night with Greg Rosenthal a lot of I think we put it it was dense the heat between Ricky it's like a fog it was his explanation about why Ricky was not allowed

to suddenly participate in the lock contest for the rest of the year it was a winding and he made the decision and he didn't talk to you guys he just was like now you're out Yeah, well, we rectified that, Ricky. You're back in.

Thank you, guys. But dense is such a great way to describe it, and it's something to continue to track as the season goes along, Mark. It is. You know, it describes many things. No, I just, like, really don't like Greg. It's, like, that simple. Well, all right, well.

Well, we'll never listen to this, but that's revealed to many now. All right. Good stuff. We'll be back Sunday night. Be there or B Square. Giants fans, go watch your videos. Go watch your tapes. You got a lot of good things to look back on.

And maybe things to come. There'll be more glory to come. But not tonight. Washington carries the deck. Later. Thank you. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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