NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - TNF Recap & Week 7 Locks!

Episode Date: October 19, 2018

In a room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler & Chris Wesseling – react to Denver’s thrashing of Arizona on TNF (:30), and preview Week 7’s slate of match-ups including – the Titans and Chargers duel in London (10:55), Khalil Mack-led Bears defense versus TB12’s Pats (16:40), BROCK-TOBER is in full swing (28:00) & the defending champs await the Panthers (39:35). The heroes then discuss if Brees and the Saints high-octane offense can be tamed by the Ravens top-ranked defense (47:20) & lastly, the hapless GGGGGG-MEN prepare for Matt Ryan’s Falcons (59:45)!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Pass is picked off. Harris. Chris Harris got a lane to the end zone for the touchdown. He Keenham with all kinds of time. Heirs it out all alone is Sanders. He will walk into the end zone with a flip at the end of it. Very rarely do you see a game that from the very first, kickoff. It's over. Right off the bat, the Denver Broncos dominant, 45 to 10 win over the Arizona

Cardinals at the farm, send the entire Cardinals team to the farm, kiss them goodbye because it's all over for an organization that is heading toward a complete rebuild if they don't realize it yet. And I think they might. Dan Hans is here along with the Sizzler, Mark Sessler, about to get to all the week's seven games to come on Sunday and Monday. But let's start. And we won't linger on this game because, Mark, this was as one-sided as a game gets this season. When you look at the best players in the league and they promise you days ahead of time, what is going to happen in a game, it puts a lot of pressure on them. Von Miller said we're going to come out on the road and kick this Cardinals team's ass.

And Von Miller generated two fumbles. It could have been three and played in one of the best games I've ever seen him play in his entire career. and you're absolutely right from the very beginning with the first pick six that came less than a minute into this game by Todd Davis 20 yards. It was so clear that the Broncos were on a different level than a Cardinals offense that is so lost at sea that they're unwatchable

and you cannot feel anything but bad for Josh Rosen who I think has a ton of potential but is stuck inside a completely lost scheme. We have no idea if Mike McCoy's going to have a job tomorrow at this time. We did wonder that about Vance Joseph coming in and the one thing I took away is that this Denver roster played for him very hard. Yeah, this is a get-well game for the Broncos.

Absolutely. John Elway called that defense soft. Heading into this game, they finished a game with five turnovers and two pick-sixes. And I'm sure all of Elway's cronies in the press are going to call it Elway Magic. And say that it was him that motivated the team. Whatever. Good win against the overmatched Cardinals team.

When you watch this game, you forget how bad Denver has looked, because they look like a Super Bowl team here and now they get a 10-day rest before they head to Kansas City and Arrowhead and I'd like to see which version of the Broncos show up in that game. But this is the Denver defense we'd waited all season for it, Mark. They showed up.

Do you think this is a sign of this team ready to make a move or more of the Cardinals are that bad? Yeah, I mean, I feel like you and I and nine other people in our building could potentially put together a defense that might be able to stop the Cardinals' offense, potentially. But Denver did everything right tonight. And it was also, you look a guy like Philip Lindsay who had had a couple quiet weeks,

absolutely stunning performance by him. I thought the Broncos, if they're a bad team, they could have gotten up early and found a way to let Arizona back in, they absolutely did not do that. There was no moment in this game where you thought anything but the result was going to be secure for Denver. And they're three and four. You do have the Chiefs up next. And so the advanced Joseph questions may linger after that game. We'll find out.

But this was the Broncos team that I think Chris Wesleyan fell in love with for. two weeks before they turned into such a nightmare for four. And you mentioned Von Miller with the quote that we're going to kick their ass and they did. Steve Wilkes also threw out a quote that I'm sure he wishes he didn't earlier this week. He said his job and everybody's job associated with the Cardinals is going to be in trouble if we don't show up on Thursday night. And they did not show up on Thursday night. So then what? What kind of messages that send to your team?

I hated that Wilk said that and it blew up in his face. He just has, and you don't root for this. Steve Wilkes has that one and done look to him. the coaches that don't make it past the first year. And it might not all be his fault because you get the idea that ownership in Arizona, especially after Steve Com's tremendously embarrassing DUI incident and then this bomb of his season,

which has 3 and 13 written all over it, that they might just blow it up and do the move that you see a lot that's popular in football right now is get rid of the defensive coach. You've got a young stud quarterback, go find the hot shot offensive coordinator and start over. That feels like that's where we're heading. Yeah, because in Wilkes, everyone talks about it. Troy Aikman, they love the guy that he's one of the better guys in the game. But that said, I mean, the Cardinals are the most disorganized team in football right now, and he's a defensive coach, and the defense is a disaster right now as well.

So what are you pointing to? I think you're right. You have Josh Rosen. This can't continue. You have to show the team if they're this bad, we'll make changes as well. And to me, I mean, they looked like completely two different football teams tonight. And my last thought, Mr. Sessler, is. It's really tough seeing Larry Fitzgerald getting hospital balls thrown his way in the fourth quarter of a 42-10 game. David Johnson averaging three yards of carry. Patrick Peterson getting toasted, clearly maybe not the same motivation level stuck on one of the worst teams in the league. Trade all these guys. And I include Larry Fitz in that mix. This Arizona team, complete rebuild is necessary. And you have some really tradable pieces. Nobody ever gets traded, the deadlines at the end of this month.

wouldn't it make sense if some of these guys are playing elsewhere? Especially if they're open to it and someone like Larry Fitzgerald who just, you know, you could see it in his eyes tonight, if he has a chance to go somewhere, get into the playoffs and have one more shot at a Super Bowl, why would he not want that potentially? I get the legacy in Arizona,

but right now the Cardinals are not just bad. They're even worse. They're boring. They're boring, and it's a tough way to watch Fitzgerald go out. And it wouldn't change his legacy. He'll always be a Cardinal, but maybe if he could chase a title on the way out the door, that'd be great.

It's like we'll always be NFL.com in place. Always. If we're lucky, this is the ceiling mark. This is it. This is it. 4510. Broncos roll now to the rest of week seven preview time. The Around the NFL podcast.

Doesn't pay me shit for this. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined in a room filled with Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethal. What is that, boys? Hey, Dan. Matt Money Smith has income, five different streams of income that we know of, and probably five others that we don't know of.

Does he really need us to chip in what would be probably $25 a week for that? I love this theory that he has 10 streams of income. I, for one, think his work is worth more than $25 a week. That's all we could afford, though, because no one's paying us to do. What if we start like a little Venmo? I like that. Four of us. Maybe we chip in like five bucks a month or something like that.

I mean, we're all on budgets. We don't get the big boy money. And then I feel like if anything, it will be like kind of a acknowledgement more than real income. Yeah, it's the thought that counts. Yeah. All right. Good plan. Send him like a beer of the month thing.

He hasn't complained. One beer. Yeah. Money has not complained formally about this. So that coming through in the open, problematic, a little worrisome. But until it's actually something that's behind the scenes, I'm not going to worry about it yet. Good strategy.

You just heard at the top of the show, Sessler and I, talking a little Broncos Cardinals. But that's not all we're going to talk about on today's show. We have a lot to get to. Can't believe Elway fired Van Joseph right after the game, you know? On the field. He got interviewed after the game. And he said, you're gone.

No, no, no. Missed opportunity there. You fired. I do like that we always assume that we're going to make it to whatever we're supposed to do tonight. What is something were to happen to one of us or both of us? Well, today is – Very presumptive. That would be the least of our problems is fixing the podcast.

Sean Sullivan, Sully, it's his last day here at NFL Media, which are very upset about. His going away party is tonight. So here's another little, you know, peel back the curtain. So we're recording this preview podcast. Then there's about a six-hour window before Mark and, and I convened to record the top of the show. Daddy's going to have a couple pops, okay? Daddy's going to be at the local tavern

celebrating Sean Sullivan. So you're the daddy, right? Always, son. This daddy will be here working the game, so I will, if you feel in a weird place, I will do what I can to carry the segment people have already listened to it. You're not going to come in between, Mark?

You're not going to watch it at the bar? No, I'll be writing a totally listless game review for NFL.com than going after. I mean, if it's going to be totally listless, why not just go to the bar? I've already told them that it's going to be one of the worst what we learns they've ever read. Okay, so, I'm sure this is going to be a good seg

that you already heard. But for what we're about to do, we're going to spin through the rest of the NFL in week seven. Wow, we're already here. Week seven, we are flying. Four teams on by this week, the Packers, the Raiders, the Steelers, and the Seahawks. But so much to get to.

And why don't we do it? Let's get to it. You know, anybody buy the lot of ticket, by the way? $900 million. First I've heard of it. Mega million jackpot. I've not heard of this. They've always got some sort of lottery thing going.

Oh, is that why I had to wait in line for an hour at like 7-Eleven the other day? Yes. Wow. Absolutely. To get your 7-Eleven fruit punch that you were drinking yesterday? Never drinking that again. One of the worst investments anyone's ever made is before Wednesday show. I look to Wes's left and he has a 7-11 fruit punch.

And even the color was visibly off. It was like, you don't do that way. What did it advertise is its primary selling point? Made with real sugar. I like, like, I checked the ingredients for Wes and like the fourth ingredient down was actually cancer. Yeah. I was like, I was like, the end's full.

Get some cancer. Don't need to go down that road again. Well, no, Wes already had cancer, so you can't. It's like chicken pox, right? Yeah, it's fine. It's chickenpox. Okay. I have as much knowledge of cancer as Greg does have the legal system.

I have to judge Edo thing. from yesterday. Some people weren't upset with Judge Ito based on the... Just saying he steered it in a... He was fair to OJ. Fair man. I don't even know if you know what that's true.

He lost control of the court, really. That was a distinctive takeaway about that judge work. They needed somebody to keep it from becoming a circus and Lance didn't get it done. Greg. Well, Edo Smith is, you know, should be ashamed. All right, let's get to the games.

Let's start in London. Got a little London? You got a little London music for us? A little... Yeah, definitely. Their equivalent of the Star-Spangled Banner. Ooh, that would be a controversy if everyone got down on one knee during the England National Anthem. It would be a little confusing.

Very confusing. I mean, it's sort of assumed that we don't buy into their anthem based on the history of our country. but um all right here we go the tennessee titoons coming off a distressing shutout loss to the ravens and all the heroes that were behind the titans got a little quiet recently and the titans fans themselves i haven't heard much from you guys in the mentions you're three and three now you've got to go to london to face the chargers playing their balls off right now doing a nice job the bolts they're four and two They went to Cleveland, a place where it had been tough to play this season, and they didn't make it look tough at all, beat up on the Browns.

So here we go, Mark Sessler, Mariotta and the Titans. There's nowhere to go but up after getting sacked 11 or 12 times. You like their chances this week in London? In that category potentially, but I do not. And these poor London fans who have been forced to watch a lot of bad games in London where the average margin of victory has been 26.2. points over the last five games there. And I don't know if this will be the week that that gets corrected entirely. The Titans defense, I think, has to essentially, and they've been good,

play a perfect game to have a chance to win this one, because their offense has been unwatchable. And if you go back and watch that Chargers-Browns game, you said it, Dan, you're absolutely right. Cleveland, who's been edgy throughout the season, got beat up by the Chargers, thoroughly. And it's not just their offense, which is getting a career year from Philip Rivers and has the best backfield duo in the league right now. Their defense is improving by the week. Well, they're one of the most creative and effective teams blitzing in the league, largely because of Derwin James, but Gus Bradley mixes it up a lot more than,

you know, the Seahawks used to. It's quite a different type of attack. And then you think about the Titans, who is worse right now that handling pressure than the Titans? They had no clue what Baltimore was sending. at them. So that's a matchup if you're Marioo, or even just blocking one-on-one they're struggling, but especially blitzes. You have to think Bradley saw that tape, and they're going to be sending the house at the Titans to see if they can handle it. Why not? What's the downside to send in the

house? Who's going to burn you on this Titans' offense? Nobody respects. In theory, Corey Davis, I don't know. Tewan Taylor, Marcus Mariotto, we're just giving up forever. They can't run the ball very well. They can run the ball. And Matt LaFleur, who I praised early in the year for coaching well around some injuries. He's supposed to be from the Shanahan-McVeigh school. Those guys have the best running games in the league. And LaFleur's got nothing. Like, where's this ground attack?

I mean, there is. I have not made a worse take on this show. I don't think this season than believing that that Titans win over the Eagles was somehow the most momentous, you know, like life-changing win of the season for any team because they've gone completely in the tank after that. To the point where you're right, like Mike Malarkey got a lot of grief for the last for about three years in Tennessee, and they're worse right now than they ever were with Malarkey.

The one thing they did in that Eagles game was they got to Carson Wentz. They put pressure right up the middle, and can you do that against the Chargers? I mean, I don't know. The Chargers, to me, have so many different weapons, and they can kill you through the air on the deep pass, and they also, the way that they run the ball, Gordon looks phenomenal right now. They've had injuries at offensive tackle, and usually when that happens to the Chargers, like everything falls apart, you know, but instead you go to Cleveland, you protect it up well, You got Tyrell Williams.

You have Mike Williams has added a really physical element. They have five receivers on pace for 550 yards. And I think in this match of Titans have a good defense, but Malcolm Butler is having a terrible season. I think he's ranked 100. Oh, they picked on him on 110 qualifiers. He's getting picked on week after week, making a lot of money. I guess to stay seated while he's discussing this topic.

Malcolm Butler is one of my favorite all-time NFL player. So I have to stay seated. As poorly as Crabtree played against Denzel Ward, he owned Malcolm Butler last. And that's happened week after week, and that's the good thing about the Chargers is it doesn't have to be Keenan Allen. It could be Mike Williams.

It could be Tyrell Williams. It could be any of those guys. Mark Sessler? Yes. The designated home team in these London games, which is the Chargers in this game. 8 and 14 in 22 affairs. Make it 9 and 14.

Well, tell me why that's the case. Why is the designated home team struggled? Is there any logic to it? I would imagine that from a franchise angle, if one of your home games is suddenly, like, thousands of miles away, that there's an element of agitation. I have a theory that bad teams, they keep sending bad teams. Teams with bad stadium situations, the Rams, the Chargers, the Titans.

It was the Jaguars before they got good. And the Jaguars have gotten good, but they've been there every year. So the bucks. And they'll probably try to send a better team to even it out. Exactly. That's a better theory than my agitation factor. Yours didn't seem bad in the moment, then Greg's was real good. Gentlemen, I was aboard this.

I don't like the Titans train for, really for years on this podcast. You've been the conductor. I'm really enjoying it. And the one thing I feel like I haven't done enough is lock up against them. So I'm locking up the Chargers this week. I like that. Forget about the Titans. Let's move on.

Ooh, the New England Patriots coming up back-to-back home games in primetime two dubs. They're looking really good. at four and two. Back to be in the Pats and they're scoring a ton of points. And here's a nice test against the Chicago Bears. And Wes, you would think that this would be a good time for New England to go to Chicago because the Bears kind of crashed down to Earth last week against Miami. But that game smelled like a trap game for the Bears and they got caught sleeping.

I imagine the bears are going to show up with a lot more purpose and resolved. And I like their chances in this game. Do you? Well, I think it depends if Kaleo Mac plays or not. Yeah. He's hobbled this week. He hasn't practiced, and it doesn't sound like they're all that optimistic. Ian Rapport said on the air today he didn't think it was serious

and that they do think he'll play. He did struggle last week, though. He played the whole game and didn't do anything. Well, I think that the Patriots have decided they got to win with offense now. And that's what you saw last week. I want to know if Mitch Trubisky can hang with Tom Brady in a shootout. Because I think the Patriots are going to score. points, their offense is fixed now. I'm not saying it's the best offense they've ever had there,

but I think it's fixed. They're going to score points, and there's no doubt in my mind that Trubisky can hang with Brady in a shootout the way he's done it the last two weeks, but he could also go in the tank. So, I mean, he has that potential. He's making throws. He hit Taylor Gabriel on stride last week, hit Tariq Cohen in stride last week for big plays. If Jordan Howard doesn't fumble at the goal line. If Trey Burton doesn't get a pass interference penalty, the Bears win that game, and I don't think they lost

because Drabisky played poorly. I think, like, also, if you're New England, they cannot rush the passer. No team in the league has fewer sacks. That gives you a shot if you're Chicago. I would love to see them try to dial up a Trey Burton Philly special in this game against the Patriots. Why would you not do that? The

Patriots maybe have an advantage playing Andy Reed and Matt Nagy in back-to-back weeks. They certainly got creative, and I think Belichick knows they're not creating any pressure on their own, and they got way more aggressive last week with some blitzes, and they did, you know, make Mahomes, make some poor throws by sending a lot at them. So you would think they'd be prepared for this game. And I want to see Josh Gordon get, I think their offense is getting there, but then the final step is Gordon and Tom Brady being on the same page because the timing isn't quite there

quite yet, but they threw it to him nine times last week. If he becomes a huge fact, than watch out. Brady is throwing 100 more yards per game since Edelman's returned. I mean, they have a stockade of weapons in West because I know you were not on the Sony Michelle train. Maybe you still aren't. But three straight 100-yard games, the first Patriots running back to do that since Cory Dylan, are you more impressed with him? I am. And there was always a little bit more nuance in my Sony Michelle take. That first game he played, he was absolutely awesome. I'm not suggesting there was. I get a lot of this on Twitter. I'm asking his opinion because I care. The first came back, he was absolutely awful.

Since then, he's been very decisive. He's gotten downhill. My specific criticism is he doesn't have the speed to beat people to the edge, and I wondered if that was from the knee surgery. He just didn't look the same as he did at Georgia, but he is looking better. He's turned into their Laguerre Blunt. I mean, certainly not the body type,

but he doesn't play on passing downs. They really don't send him out on routes. He's just kind of a straight-ahead hammer with some real explosives. As you... Ooh, straight-ahead hammer with real. I mean, I'm saying they haven't had an He has not been explosive.

Is that an Erica Tamposi ad read? I disagree. I think when he gets, when he gets go, that's the first five yards, he goes and he has like that one to 50. It's more decisiveness than explosion. He's running through big holes too.

As a Patriots hater, I'm not thrilled about this Sony Michelle James White tandem. You know, throw in Edelman and Josh Gordon and Krenkowski and everyone else. No, all that's fine. But like the backfield in particular it seems really effective.

Not happy about it. Let's move on the Buffalo Bills and their high-flying starter, Derek Anderson, hit the road to face the Colts who are in a free fall right now. They have lost four straight. It is not an Andrew Luck problem. It's a basically and everything else problem and a health problem. But listen, Greg, stop making excuses for the Colts. Win a game.

You got the Bills and Derek Anderson in town. Let's get to two and five. Come on. You got to win this game, but it's amazing in 2018 that I feel like if you're a Colts fan, you're like, ah, you know, kind of bad luck we got Derek Anderson. I mean, I don't have any question that Derek Anderson with virtually no practice will be a better option than Josh Allen or Nathan Peterman is. How can you say that?

Here's why, because the bills have the second worst offense of all time through six weeks, according to the football outsiders DVOA efficiently. And you can see it when you're watching it. And they've got an okay running game the last few weeks. So that's almost all passing. It's one of the worst passing games, I would say, of the century. And I think Derek Anderson will be able to throw a couple passes to Kelvin Benjamin or do something better. Let's find out.

Let's find out. I'm just saying he's not going to be the worst. Josh Allen's mobility hides a lot of sins on that offensive line. And this is one of the worst rosters in the league on offense. I don't think you can put it all in the quarterback. And we'll find out how Derek Anderson looks because Nathan Peterman didn't look any better than Josh Allen. The only thing about Pete, I mean, if you're Derek Anderson, you don't. turn the ball over four times in the game, you're probably higher than

Peterman on this list. What is he? 35, 36 years old. He never moved well. He's probably a sloth at this point in his career. What's he been doing while not playing? Do we assume that Derek Anderson's been like a workout warrior or is he sort of like, I feel like he's like mowing his lawn and like drinking beers? When the big sell from Bill's Inc. is well, Derek's going to be okay because he worked with the offensive coordinator in 2009. It's like a different league. And he's got a great matchup. So his numbers are almost naturally going to be better just because he's playing the Colts who are so banged up but the Colts do get T.Y. Hilton back. You've got, you know, Eric E. Braun finally like self-actualizing.

He's like fulfilling the potential. So that's, you know, they have a little. I don't he not do that in Detroit, by the way. He had the quarterback for it. I think it got in his head. He was prone to drops and then after a while it sounded like the fans up there would give him a hard time. He was getting critiqued every week and getting killed on Twitter and probably one of the fresh start people that needed it most. Hey, you're a professional ball player. Your job is to phase that stuff out. He's still a human being.

I wouldn't, would it be that surprising if the bills won, though? I mean, they have one of the only maybe shut down type of corners right now in Tradavius White. Matt Milano's playing. I mean, they're one of the better defense. We should not be surprised.

Every couple weeks they do this. They should have won it last week. Moving on the Houston Texans. I'm not going to call them the hottest team in the league because three straight wins. None of them really let the world on fire, but they are on a three-game winning streak. And now they're facing another three-and-three team in the Jaguars who are trying to

figure things out right now, Mark, because in their last two games, they've been outscored. Nunesamantham, 14 plus 7, 21, 40 plus 30, obviously 70, 70 to 21. They've been outscored. Yes. So the defense is struggling. Blake Bortles is struggling. And he was asked, you know, how do you get your team out of this funk? Unfortunately, I learned the only way to start playing better is you've got to work your ass off.

You've got to work hard. You've got to go back there. You've got to coach better. All right, we've got to play better. I've got to do a better job. And that's how simple as it is. I mean, it's like that in anything in life. I don't care what it is, whether it's football, whether it's family, whether it's work, whatever it may be.

You know, sometimes, hey, you eat some shit and you go out there and you get your, you know, get your acting again. So Doug said they're eating a little S, but they're ready to roll forward. Do you believe it, Mark? Said more than that. Said a lot. Going back and looking at that Cowboys game, so the last two weeks, like you pointed out, they've given up 70 points. So what are you hanging your hat on with defense?

And that offensive performance against the Cowboys was so concerning. Dallas has a great defense at this point in the season. But they had 60 yards into the third quarter on offense. And there were two plays by Big Portals through it. incredibly awful interception, and also took a sack that moved them out of field goal range at one point. And I look at this game and say, if you don't get right against the Texans, I don't know what we think about the Jaguars going forward. I don't. They have to take the here we go again out of their offense, because the defense is going to

look at Bortles and look at that offense, and these worst-case scenario starts to the game, and they don't play as hard. Well, last week, though, was the defense. I mean, they could not get off the field. They gave up 24 points on four straight long drives to the Cowboys, and the Jaguars certainly started slow on offense. It was a couple. I mean, Dallas put them away by halftime. You knew that game was over. They were giving up pressure.

And that is one thing that's because I think the Jaguars thought their offensive line was going to be a lot better this year. They've lost a couple left tackles. They gave a lot of money to Andrew Norwell, who blew a block on the second drive of that game, actually, to give up a sack that killed that drive. They're struggling to protect Bordals. Right. So if you're struggling to protect Bordals, you've got no hope.

And now you're going up against the Texans who, you know, we've been waiting for Let's, you know, football gods. Give us one season of JJ Watt and Clowny together. Well, it's happening. Here it is. It's been happening. Yeah, thank your gods. Thanks, God.

You always asking the football gods. Good job, God. And we moan at the football gods. And then they give us what we want. And we don't even say, well, I'm not sure that's a top everyone's wish list. I have some other wishes from the football gods that have gone unfulfilled up to now. The Jaguars defense, yeah.

Side the point, Mark. No, you're right. I'm giving it up. That's why I brought it up. Good. Way to go. No, that was a good job. GOD.

Jacksonville last year generated turnovers. Wait, is God and the football gods different people? Very much so. Oh, yeah. You said GOD, which that's different. I think he kind of, he ferries that out to the FG. This is like a lower umbrella of deities. I don't think this is the top thing.

Does this our theology pot? They're both human constructs. Yeah. I'm kind of with less. Oh, are we here? Are we having the conversation? Welcome to the theology podcast for the next two hours. We're going to dig into God.

Real, imagined. Where is he? Or she? I think DeShan Watson might be exhausted him. Suddenly ignored it to John McLaughlin. That wasn't. Deshawn Watson might have a crisis of faith. No one can keep him clean.

No one can protect him. He's taking 20 more hits than any other quarterback in the league. And you're starting to see the effect of it where he's expecting it to come and he's bailing out and just, like, there's very few plays where he just kind of rolls back and gets rid of the ball. So now you're going to go into it. to Jacksonville with Callais Campbell and Yonick and Gokwe and expect the cackles to keep you clean? No. I'm surprised they're not doing anything with him on the run. And the Cowboys, for instance, last week started to mix in some plays where they used Prescott's mobility.

They've almost overcorrected. I know they don't want it to expose Deshaun Watson, but he's getting exposed trying to play pocket quarterback. I think they're wasting his gifts by not using him on the line. Same thing as Marioita and the Titans. All right. Let's move on. The Detroit Lions coming off there by at 2 and 3. Head to Miami to face the dolphins. And once again, there will be no Ryan Tannahill. We talked about it a little bit on Wednesday's show. But the shoulder injury, which in a press conference today, Adam Gay said surgery is not on the table at this time for Ryan Tannahill. But that doesn't mean we're going to see Ryan Tannahill anytime soon. In fact, the NFL is digging around to see if Miami Dolphins game. gave us, gave the general public and the league enough info on this Tannale injury. So keep an eye on that. But it will be once again, oh yeah, it's Brock Tober.

Broctober. Everybody, everybody rocked in Brocktober, yeah. Brocktober, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. October! Yeah! I'm gonna keep going! Until Erica kills the music! Yeah!

I would just go right to the next game. Thank you, Vince Neil. There are people that tweeted us and say occasionally something will happen on the show where either they're on a subway and they look psychotic because they're laughing or they're responding or they simply almost drive their car off like a British highway. That's why this happens. Wow, I'm sweating profusely after that. But I was able to hit the notes because I got my help back.

No, please. Oh, yeah. I'll have a heart attack. Does that rock the cradle of love? That does have, definitely not West. because that would be litigious. Anyway, where were we? Oh, Rock Oswald is starting again.

He's feeling good about himself. Do you feel good about him, Greg? I mean, Wes? This, no, I don't. I don't think I'll ever feel good. I think Greg's right that there's not much difference in this offense between Osweiler and Tannahill. It's just get the ball into Albert Wilson's and Jakeem's Grant's hands

and let them do their magic. But this is a sneaky, huge game this week. Whoa, really? Yes. Can you take either of these teams seriously if they lose? The loser of this game, I can't take them serious. No, I'm with you. Can you take the winner seriously?

I mean, at least they have, at least I'm not writing them off. I would take Miami's. I think Miami is probably ultimately an 8-and-8 team. Are you going to take them seriously? Then you can't take them seriously. Tana Hill's injury is like. No, no, no, no. Although I don't think that Tanna Hill was a massive game changer for this team.

But I really like what they did against the Bears last. week. They're a much better team at home, but I don't take them, like, they're not a five and 11 team to me. They're going to keep knocking people off every couple weeks. They're the hard, these are two of the hardest teams to figure, especially the dolphins. Because if you really look at what

the, you know, we, if you look at what the dolphins have done week after week other than the Patriots game, they look like a pretty good team. They look like a team that could win or lose every game. Yeah, they went up and down the field on the Bears' defense, which we couldn't stop talking about how great

they were. The Lions, I do think, started to get a little more cohesive on offense before the buy. I know they didn't put up a lot of yards against the Packers, but they have a number one type of receiver in Kenny Gallaudet. They have Kerry-on Johnson playing pretty well. I think Stafford might have played his best two games right before the buy. Like, they're coming up a little bit. Oh, they are. The dolphins are pulling off a pretty neat trick right now. They're four and two, which is 666 winning. There's a neat trick in itself. If you want to round up, go 6-6-7. 6-6-7.

So they've won four of their first six games. You're more accurate. And they are the 25th-ranked defense and the 27th-ranked offense. That's pretty neat trick. Yeah, but yardage is nonsense. Let's get rid of yardage. The 49ers are the 39. They could have easily won or lost every game they played except for the Patriot.

They've had great special teams. And overall, they've had a very good defense, a top-10 defense by football outsiders. And they've made a lot of plays on special teams. That's been a big thing. Four words. Regression to the mean. To the extent that.

Uh-oh. Ooh. I'm breaking the streak. I'm taking a road game. Oh, you're going to lose this week. That would be breaking the streak. I'm taking a road team for the first time all year, and maybe the first time since we've done this.

I'm taking the lines. I'm blocking it up. You okay with that? Yeah, way to go. I'm fine with it. I mean, why would the meeting Brock for that? No, Brock off. I'm exhausted with this, like, every one of these,

Locks has to check out with everyone. I was going to take the chargers, and I was like, no, that's too easy. They're so clearly better than the title. Yeah, they're right at the line. They're at the touchdown favorite line that the rule. Where are we at on this, that we talk about this because we don't talk about these things.

At this point, no one seems to care. You know, they talk about it on every other network. We've been talking about it all. No one's listening to this podcast. Come at me, bro. What's the spread of this game? Oh, no, that's a bad moment. Oh, in this game? I don't know.

I would guess the dolphins are one point favorite. Now, Greg's just nods maker. Greg authoring his own league policy here on the show. He's got one of those green visors. Right, in the big glasses, like Robert De Niro at the end of casino. Like the lenses that are like three inches thick. Greg, you may find that our employer does not agree. You are definitely ending up in Vegas, by the way, Greg.

When you're 75 and... I'm going to go, yeah, like, you'll be alone at this will be the end of your life, and you'll be at a nice condo in San Diego with the big thick glasses in like 11 TVs in your living room and that will be how you live out your days and you'll be very happy. In San Diego. Or maybe he's like an East Coast like Foxwoods guy.

I'm following the casino template because I recently watched that. That's where De Niro ends up after Vegas kicks him out. Pulling a Paul Brown. I mean, you know, by then it'll be legal online everywhere and you can just go out. No, we'll double all the way back. You know, the league office will be like have sponsors and stuff.

He's like, let's keep talking about them. I think we're going to have television. When Greg's to 75? I don't know, man. Maybe. Anything else on this game? So Wes locked it up. Wes, by the way, 6 and 0, which this would be, I know it from the ATN lock it up Twitter handle.

The record, I believe, is Mark Sessler, had six locks in a row at one point. Last year, I believe it was. So, Wes, if you get your lines to give you a W, you're alone in the record. Yeah, but guess what? I'm going to do that again. Imagine putting it all on the line with the line. That is, that's balsy. Let's move on.

The Minnesota Vikings, here they come. Three point favorites. No respect for Brocktober. The lions are. Damn. Broctober! Yeah! Brocktober!

Yeah! You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, yeah, you, you, you, you, you, yeah, you, you, yeah. I'm going to have so much fun with this. The Vikings, three, three, three, two and one, a lot of people, a lot of hand-wringing, especially from the old Zusser. I thought the vikes were in deep trouble, but two really nice wins in a row here at Philly, and then they took care of business and then some Cardinals. Now they head to the medal ends to face the Jets, who are playing their best ball of the season,

back-to-back wins against the Broncos and Colts. So they end a three-game homestand, as it were, against the Vikings. Big game here, Greg, for both teams. Are the Vikings back on track? Let's start there. Are you all in now on the Vikings again? I never was. I didn't have them in the playoffs going into the season.

So they are certainly playing better. My question for this game kind of is, are they going to get after Sam Darno? We saw what Sam Darno can do when he's protected. He had all day against Indianapolis, and he looked fantastic. He's making Jets games a lot more fun to watch. And the Vikings, I think, do really miss Everson Griffin.

and that hasn't totally showed up yet. They're playing this guy, Stephen Weatherly, basically every snap. They're not rotating like they used to. And I think this is a game where if they can protect Darnold, and Dino Hunter's great, but if they can protect Darnold anywhere close to how they did a week ago, they're going to have a shot.

Let me ask you one thing, because we just did a heat check on the dolphins. And the Jets, two wins in a row, a lot of good play from Darnold, a lot of reasons for optimism. You've beaten the Lions, Broncos, and Colts. Is this the kind of game, if you're going to look at the Jets

and say you've got to be super competitive against the Vikings if not pull this off at home for us to buy into you the same way we're asking to buy into Miami or the Lions or one of these other teams. I think so. I don't think right now they should be lumped in with the wild card contenders just from what I've seen from them so far

as much as I've enjoyed the last two weeks. I don't think either of those teams are very good. But if they play it really well against the Vikings and Wes, we talked a little bit about this earlier this week, if Darnold puts together another good performance, this time against a real defense that's getting after him. And all of a sudden it's like, wait a second, this kid, it might have clicked for this kid.

He's flying now, like that can happen with a special rookie quarterback. Then forget about it. I might even be here on Sunday night. If the Jets like win 30 to 14 on Sunday, I'm going to be so bullish about this team in a wide open AFC. It will be ridiculous. Now, you'll be very pleasant to do it. We're here for the, I think, what was it, the 2015 Jets?

Yes. Which is, you know, talked about like, you know, it was like the 60-69 Mets in this. They're honoring that team this Sunday. That's such a spoiled Patriots fan sentiment, by the way. Teams that are bad when we are 10 and 5. That's a season that we enjoy and we look back on finally. That's my point is that you are flying. It's magic, baby.

Before all this Bucks malarkey, Fitzmagic was at the Meadowlands and it was a lot of fun. That's my point is you were flying that season with that team. And if the Jets win this game and you have Sam Darnold, I would expect you to be flying even higher. Are you giving it the good old litmus test game? This is a litmus test game for sure. I think so. It's an LTG.

They miss Everson Griffin, but DeNeil Hunter is the only player in the league with a sack in every game. He's already has as many sacks as all of last year. Might be on your midseason all pro team. How about that? Oh, yeah. Anthony Barr, I thought, had his best game last week. Harrison Smith made some big plays. This is still a good defense. even without Everson Griffin.

Vikings are catching the Jets, by the way. I don't think the Jets are going to win. I want the Jets to win. But you have to, if I were in the same situation, I would not walk around saying I think they're going to win, but you have to be excited about the possibility. I do that all the time because I'm one of those rare Jets optimists, Jets fan optimist, but the Vikings are catching the Jets at a very good time.

Jets are super banged up, especially at wide receiver where I don't even know who's playing this week. Almost everyone is questionable or out. And they're secondary. They're missing again, Trumain Johnson. they're missing buster screen. Marcus May is out. He broke his thumb.

So Kirk Cousins, who's had a nice year, I think he's going to throw for a lot of yards just like Andrew Luck did last week. It's going to be a tough game for the Jets. Let's throw some credit to Mo Claiborne, who's having a great year. He was good last year, too. A little play of Mo. All right, let's move on. Carolina Panthers stumbled last week against the Redskins,

and now they go to Philly to face the Eagles, who whipped up on the Giants with ease. Mark Sessler, did the Eagles get their mojo back after that statement win over the Giants? I think so. That game feels like it was five years ago. But that was the performance we were waiting for from the offense.

The one thing about the Panthers watching that game against the Redskins where Washington controlled them in the first half by generating turnovers and shutting down the run. And if you're in Carolina and you can't run the ball, I don't see a lot of hope for this offense. And the Eagles have held teams under 80 yards rushing in five of six games.

So from that standpoint, your challenge for Carolina is to do what no team has really done against the Eagles so far. I think you nailed it. When the Panthers don't run the ball, they're easy to beat. And last week, even if they had run the ball, like you said, those turnovers, DJ Moore, you've got to keep playing them, but those two lost fumbles were huge. And then that killed them. Busted coverage on Vernon Davis twice.

The defense, like, that's what the problem was. Yeah, for the concern that I raised on this show about their defensive tackle position, you said it with their run defense. have more quarterback hits on the defensive line than any team in the league. The Panthers have actually done a pretty good job protecting Cam Newton. Their offensive line coach is a wizard. Yeah, they always manage to figure it out. It's not an easy game, but I think for right now, I'm, I've said it already that I'm riding the Eagles, you know, until they lose.

So I'm just going to lock it up. Ooh, look at that. Wait. All right, so then that would mean you'd be locking up next week at Jacksonville. It's in London. And then there's a buy. Lock that up. So then I'll probably jump off and we'll re-evaluate at that point.

I mean, I can't lock them up during a bi-week. I think it's a good pick. Yeah, I'll lock him up against Jacksonville. I'll lock him up next week. Let's do it. I think the Eagles are going to... I don't care if Carson Wentz, you know, leaves the country. If he's abducted by Chinese militants, you take them.

This isn't a gimmie. You're going to lock right now and you can't unlock under any circuit? I like it. Let's do it. All right. Mark it down. We're going to forget. I won't forget.

It's pretty easy. This is a good pick, Greg, because I think the Eagles, now I'm starting to really think they're going to take control of this division, win it by a couple games. I think they're back to it. I think it's 11 and 5 team, and they're going to pick up wins like this at home. You got this one in the bag.

Congratulations. I don't think it's in the bag. I think the Panthers can beat anyone in a game. Yeah, they have, no one's blown out. I was doing that for a fact, guys. I mean, it was just having a little fun, you know? That's all. My bad.

No one's blowing out the Panthers. They're in every, they're one of those. I think they're a playoff type of team, too. I agree. I like the Panthers. I have to make one really quick announcement. Yes. Happy birthday, belated birthday, to Cameron Ritchie from Sydney. His girlfriend, Francis, DM me quite a while ago, asking me to say that, and I never did.

Right. Very nice girlfriend work. But don't, if you're listening to this and think that we're going to... Are you the girlfriend? No, no. Oh. It's Sydney from... No, Francis from Sydney.

They're from Australia. What month was his birthday in? October, but I'm a little late on the message. But by the way, just for other listeners, thinking that that's going to happen by contact us about other birthdays, no. This is a one-time thing. I was going to say it's a danger. It's a one-time thing, and I promised I would do it, and it's out of the way.

Although I would say if you were going to target any one of the four, Mark is your best chance. Yes. Do not. Do not. I mean, without a doubt, if you ever want to reach out and have a more personal connection to our show, without a doubt, the best odds for any type of relationship. And I won't get into more details how to be even in better odds. Do not attempt to. Mark Sessler's there.

Instagram's good, yeah. Do not attempt to get your birthday announced on this show through this channel at all, through this personal channel. When was his birthday again? I'd have to look. I believe it was October 8th or so, right early. October! Oh!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cameron Ritchie, one-time, one-time event there. The Cleveland Browns, oh, oh, the brownies. not looking too good at home last week against the charges but that's in the rear view and mirror now they get to travel to Tampa to face one of the worst defenses

in football in fact so bad that Mike Smith got the sword in the belly this week fired as the defensive coordinator so here we are Chris Wessling the battle of two former number one overall picks Baker Mayfield and James Winston

let's have some fun let's have some fun and we credited Baker Mayfield quite a bit through some verbal bouquets, gave him some cupcakes. This Brown's offense isn't doing much lately. I believe at one point they had 16 consecutive drives without a touchdown. They need to get Jarvis Landry more involved. I think the Chargers took away Baker Mayfield's first read quite a bit in that game. Antonio Calloway doesn't catch anything. They've got some issues. They've got, they're very banged up at wide receiver. I don't like

the way, like it's 10 sacks for Mayfield in the last two games. He's getting hit. He played last game injured, and that injury absolutely affected him. I thought, too, too. I thought, like, right after that, they got back-to-back sacks. Is he the injury report with that ankle? I'd have to check that out, but they acknowledged it this week. This game, to me, and it's going to happen in this awful, awful Tampa sunlight that is unwatchable, but I'm going to tell you something, I don't like doing this, but I am locking up the bucks. Wow.

I just don't like where Cleveland's roster is right now. They're injured on both sides of the ball, and the bucks are a hot mess. but well this is a slack up the bucks against your browns yeah the bucks who are in complete disarray right now well don't say that it's not gutsy hey when everybody else ziggs marks ag you are this you win either way that is what i was thinking yeah that's one of your movies because i almost went lions and then i decided no i like that you're a fascinating complicated man i have noticed the days where on sundays when the browns lose and you lose your lock are very dark days so this is you're a ensures that we're all on the clear.

You can't, you can't go wrong. I'll be half annoyed. Unless there's a tie. I'll just be half annoyed. No, I don't do this tie thing. If they tie, I'm getting the lock. Wait, what? You're locking up a win.

Yeah. So if the Browns don't move the ball against the bucks, though, something's very wrong. I think they have issues. I mean, I think the thing is, and like, well, I don't like this thing where with the rookie quarterbacks in general, it's such a small sample size that we're almost, it's like, because we forget that Baker Mayfield, who was not perfect in that game, engineered a win against the Ravens. I still love Baker Mayfield.

No, I do too. I'm not talking about what you said. It's just I feel on Twitter even, it's just like, oh, we're out, we're done with Baker Mayfield on to person X. And it's like, I wouldn't trade, I wouldn't remove Baker Mayfield from this situation for $45 million. I mean, they're putting up, they're going to put up yards. They're going to put up some points against Tampa.

If we offered you $45 million, you would. I'm just saying I wouldn't trade Baker Mayfield for any quarterback in football. I think he's a perfect fit for the Browns, and I'm riding with him until the end. I don't care where that team is on a week-to-week basis under Hugh Jackson in 2018. I love it. Buck's got to get this win at home. They lost three in a row. The timing was off with James Winston a little bit last week,

even though he ended up putting up a lot of numbers. But this isn't a team I've totally given up on you anyways. Because I feel like a passing game that can put up that much yardage week after week is going to have a shot. They can't stay this bad on defense. There's no reason they should be this bad. They have players. Remember they signed Vinnie Curry? Maybe that was a terrible signing.

Jason Pierre Paul? Jason Pierre Paul's played fine. He hasn't been the problem. LeVosavilla hasn't done much. Quana Alexander. Brent Grimes is definitely struggling. I mean, the whole secondary is the source of their problems. Moving on the New Orleans Saints coming up there by four and one,

scoring a ton of points. Their last three weeks, 43, 33, and 43. Now here's a challenge. They're facing the Ravens, NFL. best defense this season coming off that 21-0-nothing record-breaking shutout of the Titans when they set a team record in sacks. So here is a great offense versus defense battle. Greg and you just on yesterday's show had a whole spiel about how good offense beats good

defense every day in the modern NFL. So obviously this game will not be a contest. In Baltimore, it should be. Why not? I mean, I'm talking about over the long run. Of course, some games, defenses are going to win. But yes, over the long run, yeah, I don't think the Ravens are going to be able. I'm going to bring it home and away now.

You said it. You put a blanket on it. I didn't say every single game that a defense is not going to. A good defense is going to win. Just having fun. That's what I do. Drew Breeze is not the same away from New Orleans. The stats say it's just, it's just a fact that the Saints' offense hasn't been the same.

His worst statistical game this year probably was against the Giants. A game I thought he played well. that the stats didn't really show it. They only have four games outside this year. They want to make a situation where they're playing indoors throughout the playoffs. And to do that, you've got to win games like this against the best past defense in the league.

But yeah, that's why I don't really think the Ravens can win a Super Bowl, Dan, with this offense. I don't think they can. I think your theory applies to the Ravens more than any other team. I want to find out if this team is a flat-track bully, as the cricketers say. All last year we talked about, they would murder any.

backup quarterback who came in there, or an offense that wasn't working, they would, they went 40 to nothing. And, you know, they beat the struggling Titans. They beat the Browns. Can you beat the Saints? I mean, this is a franchise quarterback. This is a good offense. They've gotten a lot of their pressure through, you know, blitzes,

and they have just such an array of, like, ways they can attack you. And this is such a good Saints offensive line. I mean, it's just like an amazing football porn matchup when that is happening. This from the research notes, to give a little context, how great the Ravens have been at home. They're averaging six and a half fewer points per game, almost 72 yards less at home, have not allowed a passing TD at home this season, the only team in the NFL. And opposing QBs are under 50 passerating. And Drew Brees, not that this matters as much, but the only team that he's never beaten in his career, the Ravens.

Oh, and four in his long, a lush year's career. The one thing in Baltimore's long historic DNA is that that's one. Super Bowl team that did win with a absolutely zero offense, where they went through that playoff run by generating turnovers and points on defense. In 2000, in 2000, your point is that literally, no, 2000 would not happen now. That was an aberration. That's what you're, I agree with your point. Right.

I mean, it's fun, it's ironic the one Ravens team to get it done since then had a lousy defense for the most part. It wasn't really, wasn't really their year. All right, here's an NFC West battle that looked really good on paper. In the summer, not so much now. The 6-0 Los Angeles Rams doing exactly what people thought they were this year, which is winning a lot, scoring a lot, held off Denver last week, and now they travel to San Francisco to face the Niners,

who really, Mark, put up in a very nice fight on Monday night in Green Bay. So they're fighting hard. We talked about it. We like their coaching staff. C.J. Bethard has a little bit more than maybe people gave him credit for going for him, but still a very tough matchup here at home against the Rams. Yeah, this is my favorite coaching matchup of the entire season so far. And it's easy, I think, for 49ers.

49ers fans would have accepted, to some degree, if this team completely just went to sleep and waited until next year. But I look at what Kyle Shanahan has done with very little. And to me, it's almost as impressive as what Sean McVeigh has done with a lot. I just think that this is going to be one of these matchups that every single year is going to be one of the most fascinating showdowns. And where I would want to not watch the 49ers again, potentially, what they did on Monday night completely changes what I think about them. Everywhere Shanahan goes, he dials us some of the best rushing attacks in the league.

He maximizes players, and he's doing the same with C.J. Bathard, who I totally wrote off the minute Jimmy G. went down, I was totally wrong. Their defense is terrible, though. It is. I'm not saying they're going to win this game. He's got 40-Burger written all over. But the thing is, I thought the Packers were going to go destroy them, too. And it's just that they find a way to hang in these games.

This is not the one I'm pointing to. I just do think that Shanahan is one of the more fascinating coaches in the league. He is, and I hope they can figure out their roster because some of the pieces that you're thinking are going to be building blocks. They talked up. Solomon Thomas. Yeah, Solomon Thomas was benched last week, essentially, for kind of a drink. Think of all the superstars they passed up to draft him.

Right. And he doesn't sack quarterback. That was at the top of a great draft. Akella Weatherspoon was a guy they talked about as like their next shutdown corner. He was benched last week. Richard Sherman's played great. Actually, he's been a terrific signing. It's the rest of these young guys that a lot of whom Lynch has drafted that have struggled.

Moving on the Dallas Cowboys, three and three coming off their best game of the year. They embarrassed the Jaguars 40 to 7 in Jerra World. Now travel to D.C., a great old rivalry with the Redskins who are coming off a big win over the Panthers. West, this is a battle for first place in the NFC East. Ow! I deemed this one the least likely to be locked up. I don't think anybody could tell you which team is better. They both want to play the same style.

They both want to take the early lead, control the ball, and then let their defense shut people down. I think that's, to me, whichever team jumps out in front has to be the favorite here. I did initially have this on my piece of paper. Wow. Lock the Cowboys, but something steered me away from that. to your theory. The power of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

To me, it feels like the most even matchup of the week, and it's two teams that want to play the same style. Coin flip game. Coin flip game? Well, I want to see if the Cowboys, what they did last week, has some staying power. It was so out of the blue. They adapted a lot of the style

that the Chiefs played with the week before against Jacksonville. I mean, it worked for the Chiefs, and the Cowboys were like, hey, let's just copy and do a lot of that stuff. Let's get Dak Prescott on the move. And suddenly they looked like a totally different offense. But they don't have Tyreek Hill. Right.

No, I know they don't have that, but maybe the offensive line's been playing better. They did, I told them choose some receivers. They chose their receivers. Gallup played the whole game. Beasley played more snaps and got a ton of targets. Alan Hurons played the whole game. Didn't do much, but at least they chose the receivers. And Cabe on Austin's injury might help them out.

Might be a little help there. Adrian Peterson has continued to look very good week after week. But when I watch this Redskins, like I get into that Panthers game, it just feels like a team that is overly reliant on their running back and they're two tight ends. And there's not much else happening with this offense at all. And Alex Smith is getting killed on occasion. Josh Doxon's been a bust.

Alex Smith is essentially reverted to his pre-Chiefs. He's got to watch the Chiefs offense and be so jealous at this point. And it's got to be frustrating for the race. Redskins, who gave that guy a lot of money, the fear that maybe he is just going to be this guy, unless you get better weapons around him. So this is going to be a good test, though, for Smith, who really needs a good game, but he's against a pretty good cowboy defense. I'm going to Dallas there.

I pick this game. If we're going to coin flip, but let's pick him. I almost locked the Cowboys, so I'm going to go Dallas. I'm going Redskins. I don't expect the Cowboys to do on the road exactly what they did at home. I'm going to go Cowboys. I don't know why it is, but for some reason, David Irving seems like their Django piece. It's like whenever they have David Irving playing, they are a different team.

He's good. The Cincinnati Bengals, oh, came so close to a huge defining win over the Steelers. That would have had him at five at one and alone in the top of the AFC North. Said they get beat in the last seconds and now they have to hit the road to face the Chiefs. And one thing that has kind of been lost a little bit in this incredible chief start. And yes, they got beat by the Pats 4340 on Sunday, but still a lot to be. be excited about is that in their five and one start for their first six games have been on the road. So now they're going to start playing, stacking up some games at home.

Starting with the Bengals, it seems like a really good spot for him, Greg Rosenthal. It does just because I think they have as good a home field advantage as any team in the league. And I think the only way that you're going to disrupt the Chiefs is with the pass rush. And the Bengals have been a little disappointing defensively overall and certainly with the pass rush, which doesn't really make sense because Gino Atkins is amazing. and Carlos Dunlop's had a good year but if you just look at the numbers like no one else is doing anything

and I think it's I think the Patriots I don't know if it was a blueprint but I think they should you can't just line up in play the Chiefs you got to throw you got to throw some junk at them

throw you know throw some spitters you know do some cheating rub that baseball up you know what I'm saying I guess I do so Patriots cheated to beat

the Chiefs okay I'm with you on that I'll follow on there's your headline left I'm just saying you can't line up and that's kind of what the Bengals do. You know, they're a pretty basic vanilla defense. But what do you want it to do? When you say that, a little more explanation. Like trick plays?

I think they miss Paul Gunther, who is their coach a year ago. It's kind of a vanilla zone scheme where they have a very good secondary who is underperforming. And I think it's because they're putting them in bad positions. Well, their pass rush was the difference when they beat Miami. But it's not been there every week and neither is the run-stopping ability. I could not look myself in the mirror in this game. I wanted to pick the Chiefs, and I just, when I thought about it, I just can't picture the Bengals winning in Kansas City,

and I think the Chiefs are going to pick on their coverage. I think, especially with Nick Vigil out, who's the linebacker from the Bengals who's going to hang with your Tyreek Hills or Travis Kelsey or Kareem Hunt in coverage. Well, Vontes-Berick's going to try to maim someone probably. He'll use, like, that green dust that wrestler had. I noticed he didn't mention Sammy Watkins, though. It's like, sit.

You mean arrogance? Rick the model Martel's. No, it was like some sort of more bizarre figure who would like, maybe it was Adrian Adonis or something. He would like, he would had that little wind thing and he would shoot green dust out of it in the eyes while the ref wasn't looking. Adonis a little before my time, but Rick Martel had a cologne called arrogance, which is perfect for his character. And he'd spray it in his opponent's face and he'd say, you people have no class, he would say to the audience. Good for him. What?

Is he the son of Dirty Dick Martel? Maybe. that is a kind of familial type world professional wrestling. I'm going to look that up. Nepotism. Any other thoughts on this game, gentlemen? No.

I just couldn't look myself in the mirror and pick the Chiefs. I get it. They're in a good spot here. I think the Bengals are a borderline playoff team, but I don't think they're in the Chiefs League. That was a big loss last week for Cincinnati. I was going to mention how, like,

West didn't mention Sammy Watkins as one of those weapons. Well, he's not going to be matched up on a linebacker ever. That's why I didn't match. But he also, you know, they've gotten him in a couple of run-after-catch situations, but it's like he's not producing anything. You almost forget he's on this team sometimes. He's getting paid $17 million. Sammy Watkins has made more money, I would say,

and kind of more hype for less production. Sam Bradford. Then a lot of wide receivers I can think of this thing. He's a good player. How much is Tyreek Hill going to want? Right, but he's on pace for like 600 yards. I'm saying for $17 million, you would have thought he would have been a bigger part of his office. Yeah.

Basically, when they have to give Tyreek Hill like an Odell level contract, they'll immediately cut Sammy Watkins or trade him when they have the ability to do so without killing himself. I don't think you're wrong. No, that sounds about right. Four teams and four years.

By the way, Rick Martel, not related to that guy, whoever you mentioned. Who was it? Dirty Dick Martel? Yeah, his, no. Different last name, actually. It's a stage name for Rick.

Finally, the New York Giants, also known as Hodge Eman. Stank. They're one in five outclassed by the Eagles last week. And now they're heading to Atlanta to face the Falcons who got a win over Tampa Bay, 3429. A narrow victory came really down to a Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Jackson,

unable to scoop up a loose ball that would have won the game for the bucks. But the Falcons survive. They're still hanging around at two and four mark. but they got to take care of business against the Giants. Giants, as bad as the Falcons' defenses, they might have finally found an offense that's not going to shred them. This is one of the more depressing Monday Night Football matchups of my adulthood, and here are four things that I'm going to do instead of watching this game.

That was bad. This is up there. Four things that I'm going to do instead of watching this. Okay. I'm not even going to re-watch this. Okay. Ever. How are you going to talk about it on our Twitter show?

I am not going to talk about it. You'll be silent. I will not say a word. Unless I change my mind Here are four things I will do One I feel like that's what's going to happen I am going to take out a bunch of math books

From the Culver City Library on Monday afternoon And relearn the concept of rise overrun Which I somewhat remember from high school Huh I'm going to take a fleet of hallucinogenics And wander around my backyard of winter clothing Way more believing So normal

That feels You're going to do drugs That feels real Okay Go on a wine tour with Gwyneth Paltrow And that person Apple I don't think that's a good daughter That's going to happen after you take the drugs

Yes. It would also be kidnapping. In your own mind, I think I'd rather watch the Giants. This one feels possible. Attend a rave in downtown Los Angeles and maybe not get back in time for Tuesday's Twitter show. You have connected with me multiple times about the idea of doing that, and I'm always kind of like, yeah, that's a good idea. And then here we are getting older and older.

I'm totally going to go. I mean, maybe not Monday night, but at some point. Old is a state of mind. Google rave in downtown. There are a couple websites that we've actually looked at, Dan. You can't use a website, kind. See, I just ask Erica where you go I just, we get to a point

where it's like everyone's going to think we're cops You know, that's the thing I worry about I'm maybe I'm a little more self-conscious I don't care at all what anyone thinks About what I'm doing at all if I'm in a rave I will not care I think that's the proper rave attitude I know that's why maybe I don't fit in

But I really do want to go with that I'm concerned because you fit in like a year ago And you've now you now are showing I'll go with you Mark Get older You want to go on Monday night? I used to go to some raves with my brother up in Montreal.

I'm in some raves in New Orleans. Let's like this kind of party. Do it. You're not going. I would do it. I would do it. If nothing else would be good for the podcast, be a great story. Be great.

Is that your list? That was all four? Yes. Okay, cool. So that's it. We will be back on Sunday recapping all the games that we just preview. I like the fact that Mark isn't going to watch it,

then preclude it even just talking about the game whatsoever. I mean, yeah. I think I did us all a favor. We will be talking about it in-depth on the Tuesday Twitter show if you care to check that out. And I don't know if that's selling the show. But we will be. But, yeah, we'll be back on Sunday night with our recap pod. Thank you to everyone for listening.

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