NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Tom Brady 'News' & Josh Allen Talk

Episode Date: April 18, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal & Chris Wesseling- discuss the latest “news” on the Throne Of Sleaze: Will Tom Brady play in 2018? (5:00); Another star NFL QB is not thrilled with his team (11:30), Brett Favre crashed and burned in his Monday Night Football audition (16:00) and Nick Mangold announces his retirement (20:00). Motivational speech cliches from Falcons head coach Dan Quinn (27:00); Plus, Rotoworld’s Evan Silva joins the show to talk about Wyoming QB Josh Allen and his draft stock (30:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, yeah, it's a scientist party. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. How's what you doing? Can we peek into your mind for a second? Come on in. I live there. Dan knows that.

Do you believe that you have to work extra hard to be murthy today since it's just the two scientists and you don't have marked? You like half to? Fair question. Like, in your mind, do you think Greg and I will skew two like pigskin heavy? Uh, I don't think so. I don't, I don't label you. We got Evan Silva coming up, too.

We got big fish coming. Yeah, that, that'll factor in. But, uh, I don't view you guys as pure just like football drones. So I'm not concerned about it. That's, that's a great answer. I feel better about my rule on the show now. Yeah. Okay, good.

And, you know, it's always nice to have Mark to bounce off. But, uh, Mark, under the, under the weather. And I was thinking Mark has a nasty cold, he said, uh, this is where you get in trouble for being a vegetarian or a vegan guy. We're a nice bowl of chicken soup. be here right now. Is that backed up by science? What do they say about chicken soup? It's good for the soul. Good for the soul. Good for cold also. They say in some sense. Some veggie soups would be good, I would think. Is it really the chicken that's doing it or is it the stock? Do they say starve a cold or

feed a cold? Because Mark doesn't eat. Mark starves everything. All right. So we're hoping to see Mark back in our next show. But we got a lot to get to today. Some news, including well, I don't even know if it's really news, but there's some Patriots, Tom Brady, buzz in the air following an ESPN report this morning. The other greatest quarterback in the world is also in the news for some issues with his own team. Ooh, what a drama in the NFL right now. And we will continue our draft quarterback series. Yes, with the big fish, Evan Silva.

Oh, it's a big one. Oh, it's a big one. Greg, come on. Give me some help. Oh, yeah, he's in the boat. Silva's here. My wife's a great, Fisherwoman. When is the last time?

Are you worried at all that, you know, after getting Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, less need all these, you know, guys that the big fish moniker for Evan Silva has lost some meaning. If anything, it shows the respect that I haven't had for Silva that it doesn't change anything. Yeah, that he's bigger than all of those guys. He also wears more hats than those guys. Silva's got his hands in a lot of different, you know, pots. So yeah, Silva is coming on to talk about Josh Allen. So we are the last of the four, big four connected to this draft,

which, by the way, nothing, nothing, is now, as we record this, just eight days away. And thank God, get here, draft. When's the last time you actually threw out a cast? Like, went fishing. I, it's been easily a dozen years. Yeah, I was going to say it's got to be over a decade, right? Yeah, I never had the patience for it, really.

Right, I did it. We did it a little bit early in marriage, so that's less than that. But it's been, it's been a while. Your wife is a gifted Fisher woman? She's good. True. I would not have known that. Good luck with it.

I don't know. Not good luck. Just good. Who did she go with you? I mean, it's just a handful of times, but each times that she did it, she outshined everyone else there. So I don't know. That's pretty good. Interesting.

I'm a really good fisherwoman myself. There you go. That's not really a real. Do people say fish or a woman or fish? I don't know. You're in Ohio. Ohioans fish. I mean, I go fishing a lot when I go camping with my friends that they live up in Buffalo.

We live in South Carolina now, but we go in the summertime and it's catch and release. Yeah. Like I get why people like fishing. It is relaxing, but there is still just part of me that's like, well, it's just great being out on a boat and just kind of, you know, being one way. I get that. Well, why not just stay, do I just sit on the boat and don't even work? about the fish. That's what I that's more my my thing. That's even more relaxing. I think uh yeah and you

know like I always it's always a little amp it up a little get rid of the pole and the fisherman and then you're really relaxing. Then you're part of nature and you're you're in the hunt and it's it's man versus beast. I get all that. I don't know about the von Miller let's like gut a hammerhead shark alive because I'm a millionaire. But if I had a friend that had like a Tony Soprano like Stugatz type yacht, I'm on the yacht. Absolutely. Give me a god. God. poll, but make sure to give me a cold one. Well, if you guys come to Tybee with me next month, we can get some fishing going on.

I guess it's a big fishing town. It makes sense. Everybody fishes on Tyby, yeah. A lot of local shrimpers there. Yeah, a lot going on. Let's do some news. Qatar, currently the richest nation in the world, but not as expensive to travel to as you may think.

Qatar. Qatar. Katar. just throwing it out there a little bit of controversy after a Monday show people care a lot about a pronunciation that nobody can agree on Adam Schefter is one of the most prominent insiders in the NFL cognizanti and the ESPN senior writer reported yes on Wednesday that Tom Brady still has not committed to playing in 2018, even though people who know him believe he will be back

for the coming season, according to league sources, no official word from Brady privately or publicly, which has left some to wonder if he'll come back for another season. One source told ESPN, my money would be on him playing football for the foreseeable future, but what goes on away from the football field? I don't know. I don't know. Throne of Slees.

This is what I call Barstall reporting. You can create the same story just by asking the guy on the Barstall next to you what he thinks Tom Brady's going to do. I thought you were going to go into like a dig of Barstall Sports. I don't even know what that is. But Tom Brady, like,

Shepter isn't even reporting anything. He's just like people out there are speculating that he might not play. It's not even really a report. And to me, this story is about how news, in particular football news, is created and disseminated. And I go back to... Especially at this time of year. Yes.

And I go back to our delightful conversation with Les Sneed and Kara Henderson's need. When she said that quote about 90%, it's like an iceberg. 90% of the news is below the surface. Schefter, he's hearing enough speculation to raise an eyebrow. But it also makes you wonder, is he doing a favor for somebody here? Because Tom Brady has come out, basically what the story boils down to is Brady hasn't publicly stated he will play since the last few times he publicly stated he will play, which is February around the Super Bowl when he told Jim Gray he's playing. Right before the Super Bowl. And then March on Good Morning America, and then on the Cool Bear Report, the Cool Bear show, he said on both of those shows that he's playing.

So it's not that he hasn't said at this office season, he has said, I'm going to play. Well, it's the gift of being Adam Schefter, and I guess the curse too, because it's not even... something other reporters haven't said. Tom Curran has said this the whole time that, you know, you know, technically hasn't been totally able to pin down that Brady is going to be back. He's just, he's mentioned that a few times.

The guy who did Tom versus Time, the documentarian, Chopra, I'm forgetting his first name right now. Gotham? He also said publicly recently, like he raised, it's like, hey, maybe it's possible. But it is April. and so then this becomes a story.

And now, like, there's been four posts about it today on pro football talk of, like, okay, actually Tom has planned an offseason throwing session with his teammates. He's continuing to work out. And so, like, there's no particular signs that say he's not coming. I think everything points, and it would be much easier if Tom Brady just sent out a tweet today, like, I'm playing. But there's a lot of drama behind the scenes in New England. So people are feeding into that. and when Shepter, a guy at that level, tweet something out,

people are going to go nuts. And ESPN loves it because then they get to build an entire day of programming. And I'm sure NFL network has been hitting this hard. It's just how the snossage gets made. But, you know, one thing. Does it feel like maybe we're reaching this, like, idea that Tom Brady is a year-to-year proposition? We brought that up a couple of weeks ago.

Like, my intuition now, when I think of Tom Brady, is not that he's going to be playing until 45. But then do you trade Jimmy Garapolo if that's the case? No, but I think so much has happened since then. I think that that's when relationships have started this hour in Boston. And I think we're seeing a lot of that. You know, I questioned a couple of weeks ago whether Tom Brady, you know, the Tom versus Time documentary, we talked about it.

It's pretty telling. And it's no coincidence that the director comes out thinking differently because it seems clear that Tom Brady's mind is in a different place now than it was a year or a year ago or the year before that. Or the day before the Super Bowl when he talks. talk to Jim Gray. Like, he is just human and anyone can change their minds or have a different feeling. And it seems like he's just having a longer time to recharge.

How insane would it be if the Patriots traded Jim McGropolo for a second round pick and then Tom Brady retired before the next season? It would be like... That would be outrageous. It's not going to happen. It would be like the Jets losing Billichick and Borselles in like a two-day span. It would be that level of crushing. It would be...

No, it wouldn't. It would be that if the Jets had won six, five, four, super, five Super Bowls and made it to eight in the 20 years before that. Your take on this is not that big a deal. No, I think him, I think him wondering about his future is a big deal,

but I expected them to take a quarterback regardless in this draft. I practically would have expected it if Jimmy Garapolo was on the team. I mean, that's just kind of what they do, and I think it's a smart way to do business. And now he's basically making it like they have to. I mean, it'd be surprising

if they didn't. For what it's worth, a well-known NFL network insider texted me and told me he's going on the air today and basically refuting the Schefter report. Michael Fabiano. One of our insiders will be on air today on NFL network saying this is not a story.

Nice little humble brag there. I like that. Well, he reached out to me. I didn't reach out to him. Wow. Double humble brag. I mean, I'm just saying what's going to happen. Triple Humblebag.

In other iconic quarterback news, Aaron Rogers Hold on, hold on, hold on Contrary to popular belief you are not going to die or suffer or be in any kind of physical danger once in Qatar

because of its blockade I was there when it started and I'm alive That sounded like Qatar Qatar I mean that's not what I'm hung up on I mean she's something about a blockade and

Well there's a lot of Yeah There's a lot of security Because I'm doing there The World Cup going there You know It's there for charity Yahoo Sports. Charles Robinson has reported that Aaron Rogers is not happy.

In fact, he's frustrated. He's emotional because he, the quarterback, was not consulted when the team decided to cut ties at Jordan Nelson, his boy, his wide receiver of many years, and also quarterback's coach Alex Van Pelt. And since that report, I think Rogers had a couple of, he's a little on my radar with some of his social media activities, He's winking, you know, his hashtags and stuff. He's very cute on social media. But playing into it a little bit. Only you're allowed to be, try to be funny?

No, I mean, yeah, actually, you know what? If Ryan Rogers has literally everything else in the world, yes. Don't try to be funny. Stay off my corner. Yeah, I mean, just be Aaron Rogers and enjoy all the perks of that. Stop being irreverent on Twitter. You're referring to he retweeted a Green Bay Packers article that just the headline was Aaron Rogers talks offseason changes

and his response was I feel like the title of this article needs more clickbait come on green me packers make something up or talk to some unnamed sources close to me or something to beef up clicks hashtag Dalai Lama is a Packers fan because he visited it hashtag big hitter

hashtag total consciousness hashtag relax hashtag fake news Tuesday hashtag TV Snowday hashtag meditation I mean he's getting a lot of plugs in there It's condom that's all I'm saying I like it just be the best quarterback in Packers' history. It works for me.

I like it when athletes... We all have opinions. That's all. That's mine. Yeah, no. I like it when athletes come directly at a reporter, basically, that came out. Because if you think they're coming to it kind of phony and it's poor reporting, you know, that same reporter is going to tell you how bad your interceptions were in the NFC

championship if you throw them. Like, they're not going to hold back to tell them. What percentage is... Because I buy Aaron Rogers. I buy the Aaron Rogers has reason. to believe this is some trumped-up stuff if he's coming this strong if you're a star NFL player what percentage of articles about you do you consider clickbait probably like 95% right yeah and do we so what are you saying that he's saying this is not a he's not angry with the packers he's calling

this out out is hashtag fake news yeah he's he's angry he's saying this is this is uh i think he's having some fun with us i don't think he's got some legitimate gripes about jordan nelson and Alex Van Pell? I do not consult. Any quarterback would have legitimate, like any longstanding MVP caliber quarterback who's been with a franchise for a decade would want some

kind of input on those moves. Even if you don't expect to have that input be the final decision, you still want to have a say in the process. Your quarterback coach getting fired, though? You want to be aware of it? Like, oh yeah, here's what's going on. We're thinking about firing your guy

who's been there for, what, a decade? Yeah. I guess you would like a heads up, like, hey, we're doing this. But I do think it gets a little. tricky like you can't decide who is your boss that'd be like me going it'd be like someone coming to us and consulting us whether they're going to like fire our fire your boss that's a horrible analogy what quarterback coach is an MVP in the NFL we're just on some podcast like nobody consults with us I think it's an MVP podcast but yeah since when has anybody

ever consulted with us that's what I'm saying yeah but he's Aaron Rogers yeah the So, Jordie Nelson thing especially, because that's the guy. The coaching staff, I kind of get that. Waterbacks coach, though? Why would you be, you can't, at some point, who's running the team? You've got to make decisions of who are the best. It's not like the NBA is crazy because LeBron James, for instance, is essentially the Cavs coach and GM on a certain level. Football is different, but I absolutely think if you're a level of Aaron Rogers, you should be involved,

especially when you get, what, 12, 13 years into your career with the same team. I feel like you should be involved with all aspects of the organization because you're basically, like they say with Tom Brady, like he's a front office guy in New England at this point. I think Rogers deserves that same respect. Well, you're not running the show. Like, I think we're both saying there's a nuance here. Like, let him in on the process.

Yeah. And his voice can be heard, but he's not making decisions or calling shots. Even let him think he's part of the process. Yeah. Let him say what he wants. Just play the game with it. And there's an art to that. Speaking of Packers' legends, Brett Farb,

the quarterback who Aaron Rogers succeeded, a report in the New York Post. And we've been tracking this closely this offseason. Who's going to be in the booth on Monday night football? Well, apparently, according to Andrew Marchand, that Brett Favre recently came in for an audition. And according to sources, the audition did not go well at all. Farv just, it was not something that was working out.

And after the post report, Favre tweeted out that he wanted to clear something up, that he was intrigued, that the ESPN had called. But he wasn't sure at that time that he even wanted to pursue a broadcasting career. I wish him the best of luck. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Smells like damage control from Brett. Your thoughts, Greg. Well, Brett Barb waffling on a major career decision. He makes it sound like he just did the audition on a lark.

He's like, oh, all right, I'll do him a favor and go up there and bomb my audition. That'll be surprised, which is not atypical, I don't think, for how a lot of pro athletes, especially top-tier Hall of Fame pro athletes, approach their broadcasting career. And those are the guys that don't last that long. No, I totally agree. I think there's a big difference between being funny in the locker room or on the field and having some one-liners and then being able to actually announce a football. game. And Farve is, I feel like he shows up on Super Bowl Sunday on NFL Network. I think he pops up

every once in a while. He's a very smart. He's very smart about football. Might not be the right spot for him in a booth. Right. I don't, I don't think so either necessarily. But he is such a famous presence and he's such an iconic guy that it makes total sense. It makes a lot of sense what ESPN went after Peyton Manning and it didn't work out. And why they kicked the tires on Fav, apparently, by the way, Rex Ryan will be in for an audition, reportedly, as well, and he'll get another crack at it. If you're a first ballot Hall of Famer, are you willing to work as hard as you did as an NFL player in order to be a good announcer after your career is over?

Because I think Tony Romo probably works almost as hard as he did when he was a player. Frank Gifford. Frank Gifford. Like, those are all-time grades, but it's also got to hurt the ego a little bit for Brett Farf to read that. So I think that you see that in the tweet, maybe a little bit too. And please, please, please get here quickly. Draft news.

Two reports connected to Penn State running back, Sequin Barkley. The first from ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, who said it, quote, feels inevitable that the GMEN will use the number two overall pick. That's where I miss Mark, by the way. Mark always laughs at my Gmail. Yes, he does. The scientist. I was giggling in front.

But Mark, he loses it. He can't handle it. Well, he does. I wish maybe in post we could add a Mark laugh, Lindsay. You really miss your buddy today. Miss him today. But they... I mean, I knew you were on to something, Wes, in your initial question to Dan, when his first response was,

fair question, which to me was like, yes. Yes, I'm worried about these signs. No, what I meant was... Fair question always means yes, doesn't it? We're like the burke to his Ernie. He just wants to play with his rubber duckie, and we're just to play. trying to be serious. From now on, fair question, just moving forward.

In any circumstance, it always means yes. What I meant by fair question was that is a hard-hitting type journal question that needs to be asked, and I respected that you asked a question. It's a fair question to ask, how I feel. So I gave what I thought was an honest answer. And at the time, that's totally the way I took it. You really did think it was a legitimate question. Yeah, Greg.

You missed this one. I think you thought it was a legitimate question. I also think the answer was yes. All right. Now I'm in your head. It's nice up there. Sequin Barclay. So Todd McShay says it's inevitable.

Giants will draft the running back. And in another report, this one from Sports Illustrated said that the running back's agents do not want him to be picked by the Browns. And Barclay is represented by Rock Nation. Who heads Rock Nation? Chris Wesleying? Jay Z. What city is Jay Z most? closely connected to? New York? They want him to go to the Giants. They want him to be in the

Mecca, the media mecca. They don't want him anywhere near Western Ohio. So that's the other report. Breaking, Barclay. Breaking news here. Agents want client to be in the best place to earn money and enhance his image. I mean, that's what agents do. But not with the team that went one and 31 over the last two years. Right. It is known as a regional and national laughing stock. Right. And I would just point out what I have heard several former general managers say, and several

people in this building say, when the calendar hits April, believe nothing about the draft and what teams are going to do and who has plans and who's committed to what. I don't believe it. I mean, I believe this agents want to do that, but I don't believe, like, the Giants already have Saquan Barkley, like, written in ink as their number two picks. Yeah, there's a lot of talk about them trading back. So that to me seems more believable. And who knows?

Maybe if the Browns don't take Sam Darnold, I'm still not giving up on the Giants possibly taking a quarterback because it makes so much sense no matter what everyone's been reporting. Yeah, I'm not buying that necessarily at this point. And by the way, we could put your sandwich, your sandwich where your mouth is because on Monday's show, go get my lunch, draft edition. I've already been, I don't know if you guys have been doing any prep. I have a bunch of options already

and it's just a matter of now culling that list down to three or four that I feel very strongly about. That's intimidating. I lost first place at free agency so I'm pumped up right now. I see what you're doing here. You're playing head games with them. You guys have really put a lot of thought into

how I came into today's show. I'm enjoying it. And finally in the news, Nick Mangold. But if you do try to eat out during Ramadan or go out in the summer months without water, you could starve and dehydrate. But other than that, all is good, guys. All's good.

That didn't even have the word guitar in it. Just make sure you eat. Nick Mangold has retired. Like, if you just, for some reason, started the show right there, like a few minutes ago, there's no understanding of what just happened. You got to catch up, folks. Nick Mangold has announced his retirement. He signed a one-day contract with the Jets.

He spent last year out of football. flirted a little bit with the Ravens, but they never signed, never came to an agreement. So Mangold's career is over. I just wanted to throw in that centers, you don't really miss a center, and Mangold was one of the best in the league for a decade.

You don't miss having a competent center or certainly a star center until you don't have one. And Jets fans have not been blessed over the years at a lot of important positions, but they went from Kevin Muay directly to Nick Mangold for about a 20-year stretch for the franchise. And then last year, bang, Wesley Johnson, who is one of the worst graded out centers in the league. And certainly did not help Billy Powell, didn't help the

quarterbacks. And there's no, the Jets have been in a market for a new center. So Mangled is one of the best. I love it. The Jets are like the center version of the Packers and quarterback. Exactly. We're almost there. You got the center market cornered. One spot. We missed it. But Mangold retires. And one of my favorite personalities on the Jets. Man Gold's great player. I feel like he's a little bit like Donovan McNabb in my mind that the first 10 years of his career

you're thinking Hall of Fame and it just doesn't end the way that you think a Hall of Famer's career should end. His body just kind of broke down on him. And that's what's happening in the news. All right. Before we get to Evan Silva, Wes, you brought this to our attention.

So I just wanted to surface it here on the podcast. the Falcons began their off-season workout program and they released a nice tidy video with head coach and friend of the show, Greg, Dan Quinn, speaking to his team for the first time. And I enjoyed watching it because it does provide a lot of insight into what coaches have to kind of the schick

that they need to come up with every year around this time and especially they have to come up with whether it's a catchphrase or some type of general, like, message that has to be the general same message, it's got to be a little different. That's one of the challenges of being a coach. It reminds me of what Richard Sherman said about Pete Carroll, that he's got a lot of these great stories and ways to fire us up,

but he's only got so many. And he keeps starting to reuse him a bunch for the guys that have been there seven or eight years. And it's like, we've heard all your stories at this point, Pete Carroll. Maybe that's why he's getting rid of some of those players. So let's hear Dan Quinn. now entering his fourth season with the Falcons, what he's coming up with in 2018. It's always a good time to remind you the shortcuts of life.

And so we got a strain, we got a battle, we got to put it in for one another, and knowing that that's going to be a big part of what we do. To be the best version of you, there really ain't no shortcuts. It's going to be early morning. It's going to be straining. It's going to be all the stuff you've got to do together, and it's going to take a hell of a lot of discipline. The buzzword is what?

Strange. which is kind of an interesting, let's be honest. I love Dan Quinn, a friend of the show. Strain, interesting one. Well, other teams haven't used it. I see a lot of teams kind of biting and using the same slogans and stuff. He's coming original. Right, it's not play like a falcon or anything.

But Strain is, I get it. It's effort and it's giving max effort and you don't want to use maybe some more familiar words in that area. But Strain almost has a negative connotation. It feels like a Nicholas Cage movie about an airborne disease. it's a strain of the disease in strain and then this is another trope of head coaches and we see it every year

on hard knocks building analogies all right over the next two weeks all right what do you want to get done and I'm putting that foundation into all the things I want to just try to apply and put my stuff don't buy it alive man all right all the stuff we've got to put out for one another start putting that foundation together got some bricks up there just keep adding to it all right as we go

foundation bricks that's a big thing you remember on hard knocks last year i want dan quinn to just coach our podcast i know i wish he was coaching my football team come over every few months that's all we need uh on uh the buck's hard knock season it was a golden opportunity for the dirt cutter and the coaching staff because they were actually building a new training facility next to the existing training facility so the entire summer was just a bunch of construction analogies uh so that that's a that's a popular one what are the most impressive things things about NFL coaches to me is that they're able to spend so much time annotating motivational speaker books.

Like that whole niche market of the books where it's just motivational books, they must spend all off-season reading that stuff. Well, this is really a tease because I want to do later in the off-season, really in the dog days, the motivational slogan power rankings across the NFL. We've got to do some research. And we've got to look around because I noticed Rams, loved the Rams, rooting for them this year, team of around the NFL last year their big slogan last year was we not me

but this year they've made we not me the middle block of a very confusing pyramid which it's a it's a mixed message it's too many words I think I don't think it's going to end up high on the power I'm a little concerned about the Rams based on this shirt if you check out if you look at Alden underscore Gonzalez tweeted it out good beat writer for ESPN but also listen to the show how about that? Oh nice shout out to Alden

if you look at the bottom layer of this pyramid character connected consistency communication you know what that is great alliteration no well yes it's the foundation of that okay yeah triangle and uh and just because west i know you're a huge spurs fan i thought you'd like this oh god all right you like this one tim duncan good better best never let it rest so you're good is better and your better is the best all right that's brain it all right and getting your game exactly like you want so that's another trope the using another famous athlete, like something they said or using a champion from another sport. And then he drops another strain in there,

so the strain hat trick, I call it. Yeah, bad time a year to be a Spurs fan this year. Yeah, they down O2. Down O2, and Kauai is nowhere to be found. He might have played his last game, right? Ever for the Spurs? Yeah, isn't there some... I think there's a lot of talk about that.

I'm not putting much stock in that. I mean, it seems like he's been hit with the strain or something. He's been straining too hard. Or maybe he needs to strain more. I think sometimes people forget that if you have one of the best players in the NBA, your only job is to keep that player because the best players in the NBA mean that much. Right.

The Giants, for instance, were smart enough to eventually come to their senses with Odell Beckham. But in the end, like, I thought you were going to say that they've, they've, you know, came back on the realization that Eli Manning is one of the best players in the NFL, because that's what they think. I mean, Odell Beckham is like one of 30 players. who will get regular snaps for the Giants. You know, basketball, you have like five guys. If you have one of the top three players in the sport,

you can't get rid of it. All right. So there you go. Good luck to the Falcons. And the Spurs. And the Spurs. And I hope the Lions are taking notes. Because I know they got going with their offseason program in a timely fashion.

But if you really want to be a real power player in the NFC like the Falcons are, you got a strain. Cardinals are already on the field practicing. Got a strain. That should be the Dan Hansa's sleeper pick for the year. They're already out there, Steve Wilkes. Is that like the new coach? There's a balance.

But they even seem like the other new coaches were like, oh, we're still going to wait another week. But Wilkes, he's out. Look at Wilksie. Wilksie. Well, Wilksie, you know, Wilksie knows Wilksie's in a tough spot. So Wilkes, like, we're just going to practice literally every day, like 14 hours a day and hope to get to eight wins.

Good time to be a Falcons fans. All right. Moving on. How do you feel about the Cardinals' prospects this year? I thought you would like that. They'll be lucky to win eight games. Well, you don't agree? I don't know.

Tough time, I think. It's April. It feels a little early to be riding off the Cardinals, but it's fair. It's been done. It's from this perch. It's been done. You have access to the lab. I'm not about to besmirge your knowledge of or your predicting ability.

Thanks, Wes. I appreciate that. All right, moving on. It is time to continue our draft quarterback series. This will be the most important draft. like ever. Guys, we need to talk about Josh Allen.

Josh Allen. Josh Allen. And to do that, to talk about the Wyoming passer, the man with, and they only use this caliber or gun whenever talking about a man with a strong throwing arm

in professional football, a howitzer, attached to his right shoulder, a fixed. We are talking to Evan Silva. Oh yeah, baby, the big fish. has been reeled in from roto world what's up ev i'm doing well what's what's up guys uh thanks

so much for having me back on the show uh it's great to have you evan uh the iconic uh commentator on the most recent edition of the graybeards roster evan came hard at a lot of uh of my selections especially in my skill positions on the offensive side of the ball but the defense was tremendous though i love how you put together that defense of front seven thanks a lot man i really appreciate who's running your defense rob ryan We got Rob. No, we got Rex, actually. Rex and Rob. Rob's the linebackers coach. Rob's kind of on the sideline. He's kind of a gopher type guy.

But Evans here, he is, you know who he is. He's the senior editor of Roto World's football coverage. The man knows his stuff. And we were talking about who's a good person to talk to about Josh Allen, who's really a divisive guy in this draft. The most, in terms of the push and pull, this guy's going to be a stud. This guy's going to be a total bomb. There's no one like Josh Allen at the top of this draft, and Greg Rosenthal, you said to me when we were talking about this, oh, I think Silva has some hot takes on this topic.

Well, if you follow Silva on Twitter, you've gotten some Josh Allen, you know, bile coming at this kid from Wyoming. So I wanted to hear Evan explain it. You haven't been a fan of Josh Allen as a draft prospect. That's fair to say, right, Evan? No, I started watching him last off-season, and there was a game against Nebraska where he threw five interceptions, and I was like, wow, you know, this kid is, because he was being pumped up last off-season as, you know, the, maybe the next great thing, and he had just this terrible game against Nebraska that I watched, and just like he kept getting worse and worse and worse and snowballing, and, you know, he didn't get better during his second year. as a starter at Wyoming. He was only a starter at Wyoming for two years. He transferred from Juco. At Juco, he completed 49% of his passes. In his theoretically big year at Wyoming, he completed about 56%. And then last year he was right about 56%. And a lot of his struggles this

past year were blamed on his supporting cast the year before, which was, again, theoretically his big year, he had a bunch of NFL, he was surrounded by NFL talent. Their center is now the starting center for the Redskins. They had Cody Hollister at wide receiver. I'm sorry, Jacob Hollister, the brother of Cody Hollister, currently on the Patriots, made some plays last preseason. No, Jacob Hollister. And Brian Hill was a fifth round pick of the Falcons last year. and I think that Josh Allen at the end of the day is a big, you know, coaches will see him as a guy that they can mold. But I think that that's going to be really difficult because he has not demonstrated the ability to throw the ball with consistent accuracy at any level of football to date. Couldn't you say the same thing about Cam Newton, especially if you watched him the year after his MVP,

or Carson Wentz during his rookie year, or Andrew Luck. on a bad week or in the prime of their careers, John Elway, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb. All these guys are big strapping athletic quarterbacks with come and go accuracy and the offense is placed on their shoulders. Do you see any of that in Josh Allen? Yeah, I think that Cam Newton is an interesting comparison because Cam Newton is like a really special kind of athlete, you know, and that's really how we win. We know that he doesn't win with accuracy. He is a special, special athlete, and he was a dominant player at every level of football. I mean, he went to Blinn College and, you know, won the National Juco Championship.

He went to Auburn and won the Heisman Trophy. So, you know, he was, he's been a dominant player at every level, whereas Josh Allen has been a guy who completed 56% of his passes and, you know, the offense at Wyoming was actually a run-first offense, even though they had this great quarterback prospect, they were a run-first offense, not really building the offense around Josh Allen, rather building it around Brian Hill or the running game in general. And I don't think that Josh Allen brings to the table what Cam Newton does as a runner. Here are two opinions from very well-known draft analysts, one that I I struggle to make any sense of one that spooks me,

especially Big Fish, as you know, as a Jets fan that Allen is potentially in play for New York. Here's what Mel Kuyper Jr. had to say, I don't think his completion percentage matters anymore. That's history now. It is what it is. I think people have moved past that. I don't know what that means,

but take it as you will. And Mike Mayock, our own Mike Mayock said, I don't think his feet and eyes are connected, and that's a big, big deal with quarterbacks. He's the most physically talented quarterback in this class, but he's got a lot to do. a lot of work to do with his footwork. That footwork stuff, especially someone who's lived through Christian Hackenberg or the

ghost of Christian Hackenberg, that kind of stuff. And what also the other criticism that maybe doesn't anticipate well, and we talked about that, would really scare me. And especially if you're a Cleveland Browns fan, because maybe it's all smokescreen. But putting a project like Josh Allen in Cleveland, that is like one of those situations where it just smells like a disaster. And I know we're skewing very negative right now. part of the other discussion I wanted to have here is that what do people like about this guy

other than the fact that he's got a howitzer and can throw the ball 80 yards in the air? What makes him a guy that would be worth of it? It's worth noting Mayock has him number two at quarterback. So Mayock is one of those analysts who likes him better than Josh Rosen, who likes him better than Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. Why, Evan, do you think, like someone obviously you respect as much as Mayock and watched as much as Mayak likes Allen at that level

at a top five type of level? I think it's just purely the tools and I think that the common feeling is that he helped himself I mean Daniel Jeremiah has mentioned this Josh Allen helped himself so much at the Senior Bowl

and at his pro day and at the combine and his stock has like been solidified at those stages of the offseason not necessarily what he did in the games because he wasn't very good in the games, but what he has done, you know, at all the different stages of the offseason. And that in and of itself, I think, should be scary. I think that the Browns at number one, and I'm kind of leaning back toward thinking

that they're going to take Sam Darnold like everybody else. But I think that at number one, the Browns could theoretically talk themselves into Josh Allen being a good idea at number one because they have Tyrod Taylor and they have that guy that they think they can start for a full year while Josh Allen sits on the bench and learns. But that, of course, in and of itself is debatable because how have you guys ever gotten better at sports? The only way that I've ever gotten better at sports was by playing the sport and not, you know, staying in there on the sideline. Wes gave me a lot of good coaching and softball. I have to say just mentally he gave me some tips that helped me out. But I hear what you're saying.

Softball often compared to an NFL gridiron. Hey, a title's a title. I hear you. You mentioned Cam. I mean, he is a, Alan is, it does seem like a pretty special athlete. Like he can evade the rush and run, you know, as well or close to as well as a Carson. Like I can see why people kind of look at the body. and think like, okay, maybe there's some Carson Wentz to him there,

and they talk to him and he seems smart and people talk about his wonder, look, he's a great guy, whatever. It's like, but I'm thinking football intelligence, that's what matters more, and he doesn't really show that from what I've seen. Like, he's very frenetic in the pocket where he tries to leave before there's any pressure. He makes kind of crazy throws that you don't really know where it's coming. And, like, I don't care if he's like a smart dude.

I care if he plays smart. It's like Ryan Fitzpatrick's a smart dude. He doesn't play smart. And that's the part, I think, if you're Josh Allen, like, it's a lot to overcome, like, getting accurate at the pro level and getting, like, pocket presence at the pro level. And I'm not sure he really showed that. Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard.

So in 2011, we were told by the media that Blaine Gabbard had just as good a chance as anybody to go number one overall to the Panthers that year, if you guys remember that. I do remember it. it was beaten into our head that Blaine Gabbard might go number one. And when people submitted their final mock drafts, you know, the night before the draft, like a lot of those mock drafts had Blaine Gabbard at number one. And he wound up going to number 11, falling to number 11, which he probably was more deserving

of, certainly in hindsight, but he just wasn't very good in college. And that's why it was confusing entering that draft. is like, well, we have this one guy, he wins, you know, like Cam Newton was the best player in college football. Blaine Gabbard wasn't even good at Missouri, and Josh Allen is similar, wasn't even good at Wyoming. I wonder if the Browns don't take him at one, how far could he fall? Could he slip to, like, number 12 in the bills?

Yeah, that's a great call. Like, he is a guy as a guy that has a lot of red flags, but all this positive, these positives about his attributes and things of that nature. He could be that guy. If you had to pick one of the four, the big four, he would be the guy you could see slipping to the bills. In an effort to extract something positive from Evan about Josh Allen, I'm going to read a sentence from Sigmund Bloom,

a guy we all know and respect who did some tape study from his Wyoming games. And Sigmund says Allen is cartoonishly depicted as arm strength and size with nothing else holding him together, but in reality is a quarterback who can play the game with nuance and inspiration to amplify the impact of his gifts. Do you disagree with that? Big Fish, what do you got to say? I think that that's just a glass-hastful way to look at Josh Island.

I mean, it's not like, I think you have to look at him from a probability angle. You don't necessarily look at him from, oh, he's a sure-fire bust. I mean, I think that you look at him from a probability angle, and I think that his probability is low, okay? but there is a chance that he could hit, and certainly one of the, you know, one of the biggest positive factors that we have going for Josh Allen is that it seems like the NFL loves him. And so, you know, but besides that, we have the arm strength, we have the athleticism, the raw arm strength and athleticism, but, you know, one of the feathers in his cap is that

NFL decision makers seem to really like him, and that's certainly a positive. He seems to compete and he, his great throws are great. Like, you can see that. Like, you can see the great throws are incredible. Sometimes it's just about perception. If he was being talked about as a late second round pick with upside, we'd probably all be sitting here talking about how much we like him. It's just the fact that he's going in the top 10.

Like, you can see why people think here's a guy you can mold and maybe can turn into something different, but he's never really made the players around him better, which that's kind of the point you made, Silver, that hits home with me the most, that he didn't really improve the Wyoming offense that much. Seems like a factor for a quarterback. And I care about the winning and losing stuff in college too in the Power 5 against opponents in the Power 5,

0 and 3, one touchdown, eight picks, 50% completion. So there's a lot to be scared off by if you're a team, but maybe a team just falls in love with those abilities. Evan, I'm in love with your abilities. Thank you so much. I mean, look, I think that if you're just looking at it from a probability angle, who do you think has the higher probability, Josh Rosen or Josh Allen, based on everything that we know about these guys,

who would be a higher probability NFL quarterback? Rosen. For sure. I mean, that takes the health angle out of it, too, doesn't it? That people are scared off by Rosen's medical history, which can cause a prospect of bust just as easily as any other thing. I mean, I think that Josh Rosen's health, you know, past, history of injuries is something that you certainly need to weigh into your analysis when you're

trying to do, like, talk about probability when it comes to these guys. I just think that Josh Rosen is such a better bet to become a long-term NFL starter based on what we know. Yes, he has this, you know, this history of some injuries, a shoulder injury, a couple of concussions. That's definitely something that you want to factor in. But even with those things factoring in, I think that Josh Allen is just such a superior prospect or he's such an inferior bet to Josh Rosen. And that's what the draft is all about. It's a bet. Evan Silva, you can follow him at Evan Silva.

He is a jug guzzler. He's the senior football editor of Roder World. And he is the father to the cutest little girl who is going to pick up at school right now. So thanks, Evan, for joining us. And we'll be in touch down the line. Thanks, guys. All right. There he goes.

Evan Silva. You had one other things There's a smart point about probability That that's what it comes down to But that sort of eliminates ceilings and floors And Josh Allen is seen as a guy with the biggest ceiling in the draft And it reminds me of All of the people saying that Carson Wentz's probability

Wasn't that high That there was a big probability of bust And when you make a mistake on something like that It is a franchise dooming mistake Maybe that's also the case for how the Browns get out I know it's different leadership, but could end up with Josh Allen because they will go against the instincts that they had with Wentz didn't work out. And now they're saying, no, we're going to bet on ability and raw talent. And what are the worst franchises always doing, reacting to the mistakes of their previous regime?

You're rooting for Josh Allen because you don't like, you don't like dogmatic thinking, Wes, that everyone basically has written this guy off. I am absolutely rooting for Josh Allen because analytics were created to combat dogmatic thinking. and instead most analytics lovers now embrace dogmatism as long as that dogmatism is what the analytics say it is. Yeah, the thing is, I think the tape for him is the thing that can, you know, I watch some games. Except all the people who are in charge with watching tape love him. Right.

Some do, some don't. It's just the volume, and it reminds me of like how you look at NFL quarterbacks too. And Cam is a good example of someone who's kind of broken out of that. But Cam has always been able to throw the ball deep. it's the high quantity of totally missed routine throws like you're just missing five-yard throws just totally missed routine throws and then also like the deeper throws

he wasn't connecting on too much either and it's just that they're missing by a lot so it's like I don't know is that something that can because the athleticism is awesome some throws on the runner like crazy I haven't broken down his tape I read the Sigmund Blume piece and he said he misses three to five throws a game

which you can get around that you can definitely get around missing three to five throws a game If that's it, then, yeah, you need to make up for it with a, like, he seems like a guy who could fit in a highly-schemed type of offense, but that's what Carson Wentz is in right now. Like a highly-schemed, like, let's count on him to be athletic and, like, work around those strengths.

Like, if he lands in the right spot, then that could work. Also, how much he put into if you miss on three to five? Like, Tom Brady was played out of his mind in the Super Bowl. He missed three to five. Well, there was also, he mentioned the Nebraska game. There was, like, one game in each year, and the Boise game is crazy. I mean, the Boise game, if you watch the game, you would think he's one of the worst.

quarterbacks, you know, in college football. It's just like a total disaster. It wasn't three to five. It was like 15 in that game. Which is several games of Cam Newton every year except for his MVP. That's fair dog. Well, I don't want to minimize the difference. Cam Newton is the best running quarterback or the most efficient running quarterback in NFL

history. So I don't want to act like this guy can just come in and do what Cam Newton does. No. Cam Newton's run ability is totally, I don't want to say it's underrated because people know he's a runner, but he wouldn't be a starting quarterback in the NFL without that running. Right. And Alan, I think, will be, will kind of be the same way, but I don't think he's quite at that level. The more I watch him, I thought more Josh McCown, who to me is a really underrated athlete who can really kind of just create things on his own, has a great arm, can run really well.

Has had a great-drafts and better, I hope he has had a great career, but that's not who I'm taking in the top five. Yeah, if he goes top five or even top 12, you want him to be better than Josh McCown, even though we all love Josh. All right, that's it for today's. Additionally, the Around the NFL podcast, a reminder that on Friday, and we hope to have Sessler back with us, it is the return of You're the GM, one of our favorite segments and one of the listener favorite segments of the Around the NFL podcast, a little role playing, a little cosplay, Greg Rosenthal. Well, no one's going to be dressed up as their favorite GM.

How do you know? That would be a first. That would be a first. I'm going to dress up as Reggie McKinsey. Actually, yeah, I would... Sugar bear! Now you've got me thinking. It wouldn't be that hard to dress up as John Dorsey.

Just find like an old, like a 20-year-old brown sweatset. Some white high tops. It's pretty easy. Mark's definitely got a sweatsher that could work in the... It's got to be two sizes too big. Right. So I could wear marks, maybe, it would work for me. I feel like 50 to 70% of NFL personnel just wear brown cagies and white sneakers.

I'm going to dress as Dimitrov. Wow. It'll be very slick. I'm going to have some fancy glass. glasses with multiple colors on all right so looking forward to that uh until then this is dan hansa signing off for the mailman and the old boss and the big fish thanks for joining us of course this money bags behind the glass till friday Hey everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

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