NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Tom Brady's suspension reaction

Episode Date: May 12, 2015

A room with some heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Chris Wesseling -- react to Tom Brady's 4-game suspension discussing the severity, Jimmy Garoppolo, and much more.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is a three-time off-season champion. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes. Chris Wessling to my left. Greg Rosenthal, to my ride. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Honestly, what is up, Greg? What is up? because something's up. Well, you know, everyone in my Twitter mentions, and you've got a big smile, expects me to be down, but I'm not down. I'm excited about all the exciting news in a special podcast this week.

That got you back coming from home. This really is connecting on how disconnected Greg has become from the Patriots because this is a special edition of the round the NFL podcast, unscheduled based on the big news, which came out Monday afternoon about 5.30. Eastern time that the NFL announced that Tom Brady has been suspended without pay for four games for violating the NFL policy on the integrity of the game, Greg. In addition, the Patriots are fined $1 million, and if it was like 1999, I'd do the Austin Powers in there,

and will forfeit a 2016 first round pick and a 2017 fourth round pick in the NFL draft. That is a wild punishment. and listen, Wes, you spoke passionately that you thought this was an overblown matter on our last podcast, and now here we are the Patriots franchise torn asunder by Deflakeate. Your thoughts? Well, I'm dismayed because I think that the hysteria surrounding this issue played into what the punishment was meted out. The NFL did not care about ball tampering in November when the Vikings and Panthers were heating balls illegally on their sideline and got a warning.

The NFL didn't care enough when the San Diego charges were using sticky substances and got a $25,000 fine. So to me, I just think that the hysteria played in. I'd like to see discipline that wasn't quite so arbitrary. Greg. I was surprised by the draft picks. I mean, that was really the thing that took me most by. surprise. I expected about two to four games. It was in there. I agree with a lot of Wes's points, but as I said in the last one, this is one issue. I almost can't say anything because it's just

going to come at me that I'm saying it from a Patriots perspective. This is not the type of story that gets me excited as a sports fan. And frankly, you know, when this story drops, I'm not thinking about it as a Patriots fan. You know, you're there. We got to assign out the stories. We have to write it very straight working for the NFL. We have to figure out all the different things to do. It's part of our job. It's going to set in. But, as a Patriots, you know, fan, part of me, there's at least a little bit that's intellectually curious about what's going to happen without Tom Brady. Can they win with Jimmy Garoppolo? But we'll get to that.

We'll get to all that. And to me, the difference between the examples you brought up West and how it came off to me from what the NFL released in terms of a statement, it seemed to me, and especially really sticking it to Brady with four games, that it wasn't just the crime. It was the cover-up and the team and Brady's refusal to. kind of play ball once the investigation was going. But I don't, that's, the NFL is saying that. But Brady sat down and interviewed for hours with them. Right, but the other guy interviewed four different times. I mean, Brady didn't turn over the phone.

Because the union told him not. Okay, but he didn't turn over his phone and the league had asked for it or the investigator, Ted Wells had asked for it. And then, you know, when you do that, and then they didn't let the, what was it, McNally? He sat down for four interviews. They asked one more time. And he had an appointment that day with someone else. else.

To me, it just seems like... Didn't play ball, though. Nah, to me, it seems like the NFL can say all that stuff in a statement, but I think it's all right to question it. Of course. It's fair to question. And I think, personally, I think even as a Jets fan, and this is a great day, if you're a fan of an AFC's team that's not the Patriots in terms of trying to win a damn division.

But four games personally seems very strong to me. I thought this would be at the most two games, or maybe even just one game, which would be, you know, embarrassing for Brady, but would definitely send the message. Four games, this was a hammer drop by the league. It's really unbelievable. It's an historic moment, if you think about it. The defending Super Bowl champion,

one of the greatest players in NFL history by any measurement to be sitting out week one. Oh, no. That we could have a handoff between Jimmy Garapolo and Jonas Gray be the week one first play because Ligarit Bluntz also suspended. It's wild, and for me, look, the throne of ease is doing fine. No one's taking, you know, it's like Belichick says you don't defend Super Bowl trophies.

There's nothing to defend because they get to keep the rings. It's theirs. They're starting over. And when they won that fourth Super Bowl, I told you guys, I was kind of not retiring as a fan, but I was good. I was good. I didn't need anything more. And that's still the same. Because if you were an actual Patriots fan still, which I don't really view you as anymore, you would be devastated.

by this because there was one thing about when when the wells report came out and that last week in January when everyone was going nuts about it but now now that the penalty's out there's no way to hide from this and not called a big deal because it was decided that it was a big deal so that sticks with the franchise forever sure that that sticks but so does the fourth super bowl title and if they just win some games and then it doesn't really affect I think they can still survive this season but what I was thinking about this hammer drop I immediately flashed back to the Monday of Super Bowl week when I got the feeling that there has been a little bit of a back and forth between the Patriots and the NFL on this issue.

It was a very uncomfortable issue that Bill Belichick called a surprise press conference on the Saturday before Super Bowl week and really went to town. I mean, defended the Patriots as hard as he could. I thought made some strong statements about their innocence. since maybe, you know, made some anti-league, you know, some statements the league wouldn't appreciate. And then some stories come out on Monday that are very anti-patriots while they're in the air.

It's back and forth between these two sides. Kraft gets on the ground and he says, I expect an apology. I don't, you know, I'd expect an apology from the NFL. There's no way that's that well with the league either. And I think, well, that's another interesting thing because Kraft has been Gidell's biggest supporter. How is this going to work? in the future.

So that's, it almost, I don't want to say it got personal, but it just feels like there was something going on here between the two sides and the NFL ultimately has the final set. Let's face it, Greg. Listen. What? There's an arrogance permeating from the franchise. They thought that they could kind of will this away with muscle and big statements and

things of that nature. But what they, they feels like they never really took into account is they wouldn't have the final say, and this could turn out worst case scenario. I don't think they ever foresaw. I don't think Bob Kraft would have ever made that statement if he thought how badly this could end. They never thought what was the nuclear button option that they could get hit on. And that's what played out today. It was unpredictable.

No one in the media thought this, too. I mean, who was saying back then that, oh, this will be a four-game suspension. Do you know who loses? NFL fans lose. I don't have a team, so I don't have a bias. I don't hate the Patriots. I'm not wishing for them to get punished. But now we have the NFL's kickoff game, and fans are going to be watching.

watching Jimmy Garoppolo, DeAngelo Williams, and Jonas Gray instead of Tom Brady, Levion Bell, and Ligarrett Blunt. But that's nobody's fault, but the Steelers player and the Patriots player. It's not like they're innocent men in all this. Well, I think a lot of our country feels one way on the pot issue, and then the NFL feels another way. I just think when you're talking about integrity of the game, I don't want to see backups playing in the NFL kickoff. Well, I also don't want to see the Buccaneers up 20 to 7 going into the fourth quarter of the season finale and throwing out all of their starters putting them on the bench and they get the number

one pick to me that that upsets the integrity of the game anything more than PSI new england right the in the reason i think people just a month ago or just two weeks ago did not expect this hard of punishment is the crowd noise uh that the falcons were admitted to caught guilty of you know was not you know greeted with a huge punishment i wouldn't say you know the Brown's text gate, which I thought was really blown out of proportion. That wasn't a big thing. And so that's why we really didn't expect it here. But I think if nothing else, the NFL said where they were coming from in these statements.

And I don't think they punished Brady and the Patriots so much just because of this issue. They punished them because they had a prior record, because of SpyGate. They said it. But Brady didn't. They didn't. But in terms of the draft picks and the fine, you know, Brady's not getting the million dollar fine. The Patriots are.

The draft prick surprised me. but I think that is because of SpyGate. I mean, they brought it up, that they had a prior record that they were worn, they had to do everything to the letter of the law. And then number two, that Tom Brady and the other two guys weren't forthcoming with them, which Dan, you know, you mentioned, but basically that not only were they not forthcoming, but they also found a lot of what they said not credible. They thought they were lying.

I think the league felt disrespected by the Patriots here. I agree. After SpyGate happened and they hit him on the draft picks and it was a $500,000 fine that time, I think to Belichick personally, if I remember it correctly. Yep. And you would think, after the league came down hard there, that the Patriots would be on their best behavior. By then doing it again, it's like a repeat offender with a DUI or something

where the judge will come down on you even harder. It's like, listen, you got your chance to straighten out, and instead you continued on a different line. So I think the league was a little bit of a vengeful God here. It is wild if you think about it because I'm remembering an extra spy gate story. dropping on the Saturday of Super Bowl week right before the Super Bowl in Arizona. And then once again, they're back in Arizona.

The game before getting there is when this all erupts, the whole week before, and then, you know, at least this one had a happy ending with the Patriots making the last play. Do you want to now take a look at what Tom Brady is missing? You want to take a look at the schedules. Wes, I know you wrote a piece on around the NFL. But we have this covered very well on the website, Greg, right?

We have a lot of posts. We have, you know, of course, all the NFL statements and the news article. We have all the reaction. And there's been some good one, you know, Ligarra Blunt calling it ridiculous. Patrick Chung using an expletive. I can't. Some players really enjoying it. A wife of an owner putting a smiley face out on Twitter.

I'm not going to, you know, say. Well, you've got to say it. I can't say who. People they can find out. You know, Eli Manning, you wrote a post about that. We got all sorts of things. I have a post about Jimmy Garapolo. You looked at the schedule, though, Wes.

I think the Patriots should be, the other team should be favored in three of those four games. Wow. I think the Steelers should be favored in the opener. I will definitely take Ben Rathesburger over Jimmy Garofalo. And then the second game, they go to, at Buffalo, which, you know, maybe Matt Castle and Tyrod Taylor aren't better than Garoplo, but the bills are loaded this year and the Patriots won't have Tom Brady to pull themselves out of that hole. Buffalo is a very hard place to play. Jacksonville is a third game.

I mean, that might be a pick-ham game by then. That's in New England. And then the fourth game is at Dallas, where, again, you've got Romo against Garoppolo. I'm taking Romo if I have to pick that game. I think that's true. Underdogs in three games. It doesn't mean, though, you know, underdogs win all the time. I don't see them as a big underdog in any of those games, even with Jimmy Garoppel.

Well, it depends how you feel about Garoppolo. Right. But we don't really know anything other than he's gotten rave reviews, and they liked him enough to make him a second round pick when Tom Brady was still in his prime so i guess that counts or something and we should also mention by the way when we look at the schedule that brady has appealed this formerly formerly correct that is true and we've seen the only other quarterback in this sort of situation i can think of is ben rothersberger and that was a six game suspension that was appealed down to four how about this west you had mentioned that

uh how is it going to work with giddell and craft who had prior had worked well together or had a positive working experience. Shadowy League figures approaching. Perhaps, how about this, when Brady's appeal comes up and Goodell can handle the appeal himself or he could farm it out to someone else, maybe it ends up being cut in half or maybe even cut down to one game,

and there you go, a little piece offering, Olive Branch from the commish. Well, it might be too late for that. I mean, in addition to the fact that you came down pretty harshly on the organization, you're also tarnishing the legacy of Tom Brady on something where you don't have definitive evidence. I mean, I don't know.

That was part of the whole thing that has surprised me a little. And Mike Reese, you know, wrote about it and basically thinking that Brady should be punished on some level, but that basically the punishment should fit the crime and the relative level of the crime here was small. So why would the NFL who's so PR-conscious normally go out of their way to really change the way you think, Dan, that people are going to think about Tom Brady.

I'm not sure if it changes how people think. It does today, but I'm not sure long term. But for right now, it does change the scope of these titles. It is surprising to me. I agree. I mean, he is the face of the NFL, if he asked me. I mean, you could say Peyton Manning also, but I think that Brady probably is.

And there's no way this isn't going to stick with him on some level. And it's surprising to me. You know, some of the stuff that I heard, you know, people said, oh, this, you heard out of New England that this was viewed as a sting against the Patriots and the Brady and Brady, and to me, that's just as ridiculous as the other side of the argument. But at the same time, the same thing with Brady's agent. He was doing him no favor.

Yeah, the whole thing. Like, what is this sting talk? I don't understand, like, what? It's not like the NFL is trying to destroy the New England Patriots. They have no reason to do that. If anything, they just maybe, the Patriots got on their bad side to me and they really came down on them. Maybe they were thinking too micro and not macro. enough because Brady is a legend of the league.

You know, that to me is one of the biggest surprises about this entire misadventure. One of the crazier parts of the press release was, and I want to get the wording exactly right, but it was essentially the NFL saying, and it was really Troy Vincent, saying that no one would argue that this had any competitive impact. So, and no one, no one is arguing that. No one would argue that this had any competitive impact in that game. That's clearly not the issue, but that doesn't change the way that we view you trying to, you know, affect the integrity again. So it's just funny that all of this is happening.

But he also said a very important point that everyone who studied this from the Wells report believes that it had been going on that the championship game was not the first time this happened. That's true. It's just interesting that something that no one. No, I haven't seen anyone try to make the case that this has really helped Brady over the long haul Because the stats don't back it up The home road stats There's nothing that backs it up

So it's this whole decision and this whole huge punishment And maybe legacy changing thing or whatever Over something that no one really thinks made any difference at all You know, it's an interesting thing To think. Troy Aikman thinks it did Kurt Warner thinks it did An interesting thing to think about

What if that was a close game? What would be the penalty then? Would we just never see Tom Brady ever again? It's like a 40-point blowout. Right. And the guy disappears for a quarter of the season. What if, yeah, what if they had won by three points and he played great in the first half but stunk in the second half? And we would never know that really that was just a coincidence.

But you know what I mean? I mean, the fact that he had a lights out, unbelievable second half with the right balls, like really took a lot of the heat off. Maybe that's what ultimately saves his legacy here. Like this will be a part of the story of Tom Brady, not the whole story by any stretch, but a part of it. If it would have been something where they just barely won and his numbers reflected a change in play, it would have really destroyed him, in my opinion. So he gets, you know, they get away with that as well, it being a blowout. It could be worse.

Look at that way, Greg. Not that you really care anymore. You're barely a Patriots fan at this point. Stop. But this is part of the reason why I'm not taking this too personally. Because I know, you know, it's not taking away the, how many years? years have been 17, 15 he's been in the league of joyous football watching every Sunday, being able to watch Belichick and Brady, like two all-time greats every single week.

And by the way, I'll get to do it again this next year starting in week five with Brady. And the first four weeks will be fun too. Garapolos go three and one and they'll trade him for that first round pick. Get it back for next year. And I'm with Eli, by the way. I just want to make it clear. I'm not one of those, like, evil Twitter fan. I'm not happy that Tom Brady suspended.

Ultimately, I'm really not. You like Brady. I do like Tom Brady a lot, and I like the competitive advantage for the Jets. But the whole thing sucks. Let's be honest. The whole thing is awful, and I wish we weren't talking about it because it's just like one of those stories, like Bounty Gate, like the Ray Rice stuff, which was terrible. This is the kind of stuff. Maybe this is kind of what you were talking about on our last podcast.

You just wish it wasn't there, and it's not something that's bothering you as much as it's just something that's happening. It's ongoing. You just got to deal with it. not to mention, we're at work during these things, even during the Super Bowl. And we have a lot to, like, this is one of those moments where I could get fired if I screw up. So I'm less worried about the Patriots and more worried about myself. I mean, not even kidding. I mean, these are the types of things that you know, our bosses are all watching really closely.

We have to be careful of how we handle it. Can you just erase everything I said on this podcast? Hey, Greg, you watched a lot of Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. The only thing I know about him from the office so far is that Damashek will not stop talking about him. You would think it's like TD throws his hands up because he knows exactly what I'm saying.

I mean, you would think that like Dave did that bit at the Super Bowl which I liked a lot of media day where he was asking everyone about who's better looking Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppel. Sheck asked Garoppolo himself, which kind of caused Grasolo to get uncomfortable. But that's all

I know is that Dave thinks he's hot. You watch every snap he took in the preseason and I guess he got some garbage time play last year as well. Well, he played most of the second half against the Chiefs in week four, that famous game where they got blown out. It was really the fourth quarter. That's right.

The fourth quarter. And then he played the second half of the Bills. And we did this redrafting, re-ranking the class of 2014. Love that piece. West did the wide receivers. I did the quarterback, so I watched each one of his snaps. Now, let's start with this. Bill Belichick said the entire 2014 season turned around at the end of that Chief's season.

That that was the turning point because he saw such a, great effort and good play, even though they were getting blown out. Hey, who was the quarterback during that stretch? He was basically the MVP of the season, by that logic. Classic phony coach narrative. Let's move on. All right. But watching that quarter and watching the second half of the Bills game

and then watching the preseason, he was very consistent. And I would say the word that kept popping to mind, he looked very professional. He looked like a competent quarterback who made. made quick decisions, didn't blow you away, doesn't have a big arm, but he is very athletic, and they're going to look like a different team. Dan, when was the last time you saw Tom Brady run a read-option play? I don't think I've ever seen Tom Brady run.

They did that against the build. How about calling an outside quarterback run on fourth and sixth or something like that? They did that with Garapolo. So he's built like a linebacker, Belichick said, and he's going to play a little differently. Gives Josh McDaniels a chance to go into the lab and cook up something. new with this new quarterback. And it's not like it's a chump. I mean, they really lucked out in a sense that they have Garapolo in place.

I mean, they have a second round pick who's had a year to learn, and now they have the whole offseason. It's in place. He showed more in one preseason, I believe, than Ryan Mallet showed in four. Let's also say this. This is an unprecedented situation for a young kid to be. And I would say defending Super Bowl champion on Thursday night football with basically half of America watching.

with all the media's eyes on this game and all the storylines about Tom Brady being out of the lineup and Jimmy Garoppel and I'm sure people are going to take it and run with it that Drew Bledsoe Tom Brady comparisons of 15 years early. Like I would think even if the, and he seems like a well-adjusted guy,

I would think that he could get spooked by this spot. I mean, it wouldn't be crazy if he was really nervous and was missing high on some passes early and all of a sudden it's, you know, 173 in the second quarter and you've got this kid and the world's crumbled, and it's possible, right, Wes? I think that's possible. I think what's interesting is, well, one of the many things that's interesting. They're going to need a backup quarterback now.

Mike Vicks out there. That would be fun. Yeah, they don't have anyone else in the roster. Matt Flynn's another option. I know Mark Sessler, who will be back with us tomorrow, he will get excited about Maddie Flynn, maybe getting another ring. Garapolo, I thought he showed some poise. He would go through his progressions.

And it's not like this is just some no-name. I know he went to Eastern Illinois, but he's a second-round pick. That's where Colin Kaepernick was drafted. That's where Andy Dalton was drafted. That's where Derek Carr was drafted. That's where Gino Smith was drafted. I'm not saying these are all great quarterbacks,

but they're guys that people all look at. Jimmy Clauseman was drafted. Right. I'm just saying these are guys that the fans look at as, okay, here's our next great hope is a second round quarterback. It's a pretty big investment that they put in Jimmy Garapola. I want to block on Twitter the next person who asks, what if Garoflo starts out 4 and O and plays really well?

Will they bench Brady? Come on, stop with that nonsense. That won't happen. But what could happen maybe, right, is if he plays awesome at the end of the season, maybe the Patriots have, they're famous for being cold-blooded when it comes to making roster decisions. I know he hasn't have a nasty contract in terms of the cap compared to other star quarterbacks.

But, you know, it does. It's a great moment for Garapolo right now, a great opportunity to really get himself out there and show that he can play. It is a great opportunity. I'm not willing to address that question until I actually see him go 4 and O and light up the scoreboard. And see what Brady does after that. You're right. This whole thing as it's setting in is going to be the framework for a lot of what we talk about for the 2015 season. This is the defending champion team, and it's an unprecedented suspension.

and it just raises a lot of things that are going to come up. I mean, just earlier on Monday, you're writing an article, Wes, about how the secondary is completely changed because they cut Kyle Arrington on Monday. They have Malcolm Butler and Logan Ryan as their top two cornerbacks. This is a team you wrote about often struggles in September. Yeah, I think that's not a small factor.

It seems like the Patriots have done this the last three or four years where they just use September to figure out who they are to tinker and experiment. They're running different combinations of offensive linemen in against the Chiefs. They're trying to figure out if they want to start Aaron Dobson or cut Kemprell Tompkins, trying to figure out who's going to start it running back for them.

This is what they do earlier in the season. And it shows up that there are stats, I remember we cited early last year, that their winning percentage is something in the 580 range in September, which isn't bad, but then it goes up into the mid-600s in October, and then it's well over 700, 800 in November, December. so it's a team that often does struggle early, even with Tom Brady. One thing also, to keep him on, Tom Brady, since he became starter, has never missed a game other than that one season.

So he's always been there in September. What if they get off to a slow start? Let's say, let's say if they end up losing three of the first four games, what if it takes a month by the time he gets for the offense really cooking again. Greg and I were talking about earlier today. You know, if he does mean. Five or something at the midway point, and let's face it, we've been saying 12 and 4, 12 and 4, 12 and 4 every year,

I'm pushing them back now to 10 and 6 and to me this AFC East which we've been talking about a lot the last couple of months which has really tightened up at least amongst the all serans in recent years got a lot better and now the Patriots there's no way around it that they're probably going to be not as good

at least win loss because of what's going on this division even got I'm not ready to say that I think the Tom Brady comes back like a house on fire maybe maybe I'm just saying it's not going to be as easy this year No, it wasn't, even with Brady for 16 games, it was going to be tougher. Now it's Brady only 12 games.

So I think this division is officially, to me, wide open. I agree with you. Then again, wouldn't it be the most Patriots thing ever for everyone right in that Thursday night? You know, no Brady, no Revis, no problem. The Patriots cruise to a 27 to, you know, 17 win over the Steelers show. And they were a true team. You know, and it's just, you could kind of, you could see. that happening. Bill Simmons writing for like Fox Sportsnet, like,

we went into FU mode. We did it. We're going to get him on. Maybe we can join the end of, I said he can replace me as the resident Patriots Homer here. No, you don't have to replace it because TD pulled some strings and got us a fifth mic and get the sports guy in here. Five mics like Lasaurus. You know, a little redemption style. All right. So let's some final thoughts now, Greg. And actually, let's start with West, a gifted football mind, a scientist. I want to hear your final thoughts on the matter, and then we'll throw it to the throne of ease. I guess I have two.

If you're playing or coaching football in the NFL, you are obsessed with gaining a competitive advantage, which is why I was tickled to death by the website, Your Team Cheats.com, because I'm tired of fans acting like the Patriots are the only ones that try to gain a competitive advantage. If you're playing football, that's what you do. That's my first thought. My second is, in 2006, NFL decided to let quarterbacks doctor footballs. I told you last podcast what Eli Manning does. You've got electric scrub brushes involved in the process. Aaron Rogers has said he likes to have his inflated over the limit.

If you're going to let quarterback's doctor footballs, let them play with any football they want. That's what we talked about months ago when we discussed this. The history of football started in the mid-19th century, Soccer, one was made easier to kick with every iteration. The other one was made easier to throw. To me, let him use whatever ball he wants. Let any quarterback use whatever bowl he was. And I agree with everything with West said except for, or in addition to,

but keep it within the PSI laws of the NFL. Like, why do you even have PSI laws? No one's been able to explain that to me. Just follow that and you do whatever else you want to the balls. Why are you allowed to take an electric spinner brush to it, but you can't take out air? I mean, I don't get that. There is a...

That's what the football doctors say, bro. They haven't really said anything about it. It is weird how you can... You know, like you mentioned, the Chargers thing with the sticky... I mean, that is against the rules, but that's a minor penalty, but this is major. Yeah, it's very weird. My quick point is Tom Brady cheated and Gino Smith did not. And now, Greg, your final votes.

We'll give you the floor before the closing out. I've had the floor. I've said basically everything. I want to say, I do think it'll be fun to watch. As a Patriots, you know, fanned, of course you're not happy to see this happen. But there is part of me that's just interested to see. We've never seen a situation like this before. And if there's one thing that defines this page, a couple of things define these Patriots teams over the last few years. Number one is their ability to take any slight, however small or imagined or

real and turn it into something that that that that's just that's their rallying crime imagine imagine this now now that's that it's against everyone it's get the NFL but number two is they're a great team at adapting at figuring out what their weaknesses are and dealing with the fact that Jonas gray is their running back and you know the year where they had no wide receivers or no cornerbacks and you know here's a here's a great chance for one of the greatest coaches of all time to show he can adapt he's already done it once again without tom brady for 15 and a half games he won 11 games so the last thing i'm going to do is count out the patriots and assume the jets are the favorite so i agree with you 100% right and and they're a team i mean they've always said they're they're more than just

one player so he you know look at you you're all excited you're all excited this is Greg actually this is giving Greg a little juice now for the first time he's facing adversity on the on the front of these well there is something it's rejuvenated you as a football there is something to that, you know, they've done everything else. Belichick always talks about how every season, you know, it's, you're starting from scratch, it's a fresh start, you know,

you're not, there's nothing to do with last, well, it's not going to be hard to convince the players this time. I mean, Jonas Gray's the running back, they have all new cornerbacks, they have Garoppelot quarterback, it's a whole new team. And now we're going to do 30 minutes on Kyle Arrington's release. All right, Wes, your initial thoughts, no. Yeah, poor Fred

Davis signing, got, you know, oh, Freddie. Bairied. TD, you had a thought behind the glass. I had a couple of thoughts, actually. We didn't get a news drop today. Yeah. We did. See, I saw that you bypassed the $1 million dollar's

Duck the Evil joke, you know, because you're a comedic mind. However, I don't have such a great comedic mind. That was good. I think all the heavy-handed jokes I can get. Jimmy presents a problem for me because he has a hard last name to spell. It's going to be annoying. But I figured it out, though.

It's a polo of a garop. So it's a grop polo. See what I did it? You know? Yeah. So that's a garrop. I don't know. That was what you were waiting to talk to?

Well, that was the second point. And the third point was like, this could all have been solved if the NFL had a body language monitor. Because Wes keeps saying, no evidence, no evidence. He could spot this from day one. That press conference, it was obvious. Brady out here lied. All right. All right.

You saved yourself there with that. Yeah. That's about as strong as the evidence was in the Wells report. We were about to fly to England to find a gold center flying to Japan when you're in the middle of that If they hire me as a body language binder

then yeah You might have an opening I'm not even going to ask how you figure out How to spell Roppelsberger I won't Oh that's it Well it's a burger with a Rathless

At the front of it All right So that was our very special edition of the Around the NFL podcast The Patriots cheated and got banged for it edition I called it And I really loved it

We will be back on Tuesday with another show with Mark back here. And then on Thursday, we're going to get Lindsay Roads back in the studio. We were excited about that. So we've got a full week of shows. Thank you for listening. Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead.

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