NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Top 7 NFC Contenders' Kryptonite with Ollie Connolly

Episode Date: November 22, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly give you one thing that could get in the way of seven NFC teams that could make a run to the Super Bowl. Gregg and Ollie talk about the Rams (02:15), Eagles (07:50), Bears (14:10), Lions (16:10), Seahawks (24:55), Buccaneers (30:20), Packers (35:00), and 49ers (39:20). Gregg and Ollie finish up the show by putting a bow on the NFL's International Series (40:25). Note: time codes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we've got some sickos. Welcome to NFL Daily, where, yes, we're just a bunch of sick. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and for the first time, breaking boundaries here on NFL Daily. As a member of the NFL Daily family, I want to welcome in, Ollie, Connolly, Ali. I've been trying to hire you on this show for like a year and a half, and we actually did it. We're going to have you every Saturday on the show, and yes, it's a show just for Sickos. We did it. Look at us. Who'd have thought?

you're kind of joining us we're like a winning organization we have a lot of good players we can create open receivers but we're putting you in a spot that we think is going to work but it's a lot of pressure on you it's a lot like the JJ McCarthy

situation in Minnesota oh that's brutal to throw me in with JJ I was hoping maybe like a Brandon Graham like you bring a guy in can you bring the last drops out of someone for a championship run Yeah, that's a better comp. And, you know, maybe JJ can turn it around. We saw the Minnesota Vikings in person, Ali and I.

If you're not familiar with Ali's work, you know, he's done some great work at The Guardian. Obviously, you should check out his substack where you can catch him in John Ledyard, podcasting, and also Ali writing. But we wanted to get you in, Ali, in the door. At least for now, we're going to be doing Saturday. days and kind of taking like a step back, like a look at the league overall and just taking some big picture thoughts. And it's a way for me to just like wind you up and start the take machine. So we decided today we're going to talk a little bit about the international series at the back end and just our impressions from it and yours covering some of the games

for talk sport. But we're going to start by looking at the contenders in the NFC. I can't remember a conference that's this good, but this deep at the top. and kind of picking through what we think might be the one thing that gets in the way, the biggest problem for each of the NFC contenders, and I'll have you get us going with the Los Angeles Rams.

Right now, the number two seed, losing that tiebreaker with the Eagles. The Rams one is hard. I think the special team situation is obvious, but I do think hiding under the hood and the Seahawks exposed this slightly is against the best of the best competition. I'm not sure the interior,

the offensive line, is up to snuff, and it has the potential to kind of submarine everything else that's going on. They are such a complete team. They've played well above the expectation, I think, that interior. But when you go good on good, and we saw what I thought and felt played out like an NFC title game preview with how good those two teams are, that it's not quite on the level that they need it to be.

Okay, so you're not buying like a Steve Avila resurgence because that's a former NFL daily guest. I feel like he's kind of been mowing down people to my untrained eye the last few weeks. I love Steve Avila. I think he could be the best center in the NFL if they moved him there, they choose not to. They still play him at left guard. I think he's incredibly explosive.

But when you get them all isolated one-on-one, they got real issues, I think, in past pro in terms of speed off the ball, and it limits some of the flexibility of what McVeigh wants to do. I know Jordan's been on here talking about the 13 personnel stuff, when they face a team.

He's like, we do not respect that in the slightest. So you just take that off the table. We both have Imm-Worry, and we don't respect it just conceptually and structurally as a defense. what is their pivot point to try and play more spread out to return to all classic McVebel

it puts those guys in more one-on-one situations and they lose pretty quickly. See, I'm glad you brought that up because it was a point I meant to make on our preview show this week is Jordan's beloved 13 personnel when they have the three tight ends on the field and they go heavy.

In that Seahawks game, if you look at the numbers, you know, they average under three yards per play out of that personnel, the Seahawks were more than prepared for it. They played fine, they played well when they were kind of back to their regular McVeigh ball, which is the 13, I mean, rather the three wide receivers on the field. Like, what is it you think structurally that the Seahawks did in that game

to cause them problems? Because the win was great, and it was just a great football game, but the win overshadowed the struggles that the Rams ultimately had at home, that they needed those four interceptions from Darnold to kind of cover up that the offense wasn't moving the ball enough. Yeah, I think the downfall. for Seattle is just so dominant and they're deep as well and they have so many different skills and styles of players they can just roll through so they're deep and then whatever

kind of ants they need on the chessboard they can just throw a different body out there and then it's dex leon leonald williams and they throw someone else in there so they just can create match-up nightmares for you and then on the back end because of imam warry they can just get to different shells in a way most defenses aren't equipped to do from what is their base personnel with the big nickel stuff with emmon worry out there it was just really really hard for the rams when you look even on the opening drive of the game when they're in the 13th stuff and they try to take a deep shot to Devante Adams. You could see almost the FU from McDonald on the sideline where it's two guys out in the pattern. It's Devonte Adams down the field. It's Karen Williams leaking out

underneath as a checkdown and seven defenders in coverage. It is a pure we don't respect this as a true way to get to chunk play action shots, which is how the Rams have been successful, which is we put the big bodies on the field, you match it up, we take our shots from there. So if that's off the table and they have to play more from the gun spread ball, which they just have not been all season. They've really pivoted the entire offense. I do wonder about that offensive line holding against true speed when you might have to go through the books in a wild card game. You might have to go through the Eagles with Jalen Carter and everyone inside and then maybe face the Seahawks again. Yeah, that's, it's kind of going to be a trend here because I have the lions and the Eagles

coming up and the bucks and they're all some offenses that struggle. And you think about how the NFC is built and strong right now and you're thinking of you could have a gauntlet of defensive matchups. The Rams would be included too if you're facing the Rams that that you might have to play the Eagles, the Packers, and the Rams or the Seahawks, like all in a row, which is a brutal matchup. How do you think they've looked just running game-wise on the interior of their offensive line? Running game-wise, I would say fine when they have a premium look. When it's like all set up by design and there's some kind of overload, those guys get after it. They are big. They are physical, they're explosive, and they pop people when it's a non-premium look

and you are then reliant on, do we have superstar talent? You can see the issues on a lot of run-throughs. So guys are just screaming through untouched, which is where you get down to, do we have a superstar or not? Who can cover that up for us if it's not perfect? So when it's the perfect patron, the answer they always have is Stafford gets him into premium looks 80% at the time. He'll just move the pieces around and check the play if he doesn't like it. So they're often in premium looks way more often than they are.

the negative ones, but I just don't see, I love a Vila, and if they could move him around and do a little bit more with him in space, I think that could unlock more potential for the group, but because of some of the struggles he's had, I think they've just kind of put him back into a box and they're just trying to play team football. And it works okay, particularly when they're on the center. My concern is more so around when they get into the passing gear. This is just like inject it straight into my veins. This is why I've gotten cold turkey off the read optional podcast over last month. I was I was, I was hosting. I'm hoping this day would happen that we would get it done.

Thank you to iHeart in the NFL. And I thought, you know, I want the Ollie takes to be as fresh and just mainline it when he comes to join the show. And I don't want it infecting some of my thoughts. I'm listening to these guys, and they're really sharp on it. So I recommend everyone go get a subscription, check them out here. But I'm really excited we're going to have it every Saturday. So the idea is we're going to go through the different contenders.

And with the Eagles, that's what I'm up with next. I had this whole thing prepared trying to be cute because when you look at the numbers that, well, actually, like, this was their passing game last year. And they won the Super Bowl. The real falloff is in the running game. And the amount that Saquan Barkley is getting hit in the backfield and lack of explosive plays and how low their success rate is running. I had this whole thing planned.

And then I turned it on. I'm like, let me watch this game again. And it's just like I should pick the obvious answer. It should be Jalen Hertz and whatever the hell has happened. here. I just can't believe we're at a point where they're literally the number one seed in the NFC and the top headline, which to me is telling of like what America's interested in on ESPN right now is Jalen Hertz not concerned with the criticism that's happening inside his own building. And it was mystifying to watch that film particularly because it just seems like

they're running this really basic offense that they go back to where they're asking their guys to just win matchups. I'm not an X's and O savant, but I know enough to know what I see there. Like, what do you see and what do you think could possibly be the reason why the Eagles have regressed so much and have been so basic,

which to me, you know, they have to get out of at some point to possibly win the Super Bowl, no matter how good the defense is. Yeah, I mean, it's nauseating to watch. And it's funny you say that. I was seeing a clip before of like Jason Kelsey on local radio crying

about like the locker room and the impact in the locker room, it's like, they still could go on and go back to back. Like, that's still in play, the defense is absolutely dominant. But because of the struggles and the quarterback and AJ Brown and whatever is happening there, is just overshadowing everything. The main takeaway when you watch them is just it seems completely misset up to the talent they have. To not have any sense of, like, man-beating concepts in there where you open guys through play design is just frankly bonkers.

And I know people always come back and say, well, every time they change the coordinator, it winds up back in this spot. it's just the quarterback, that's how he wants to play. And that is true, but you could at least try and find some answers. And then you can go and bury the quarterback with the wink and the nod at the podium, saying guys are open, they're not throwing him the ball. Their response to man coverages, we have better guys than they have. Our man beat is everything vertical to A.J. Brown or Devonters Smith.

They will just win one-on-one, and it just puts them in such a bind when they have no running game to support it. They have the worst, what, three-and-out rate in the NFL, the explosive play rate is dried up. It's a disaster, and there's just no... fluidity or ability to sequence the offense when the wrong game isn't there. And honestly, one of the main criticisms that I have is everything they've tried to do to course correct it midseason has made things worse. I know everyone is like me obsessed and excited about, oh, the extra alignment is a major trend around the NFL and how do you get to explosive plays from that. And they've

dabbled with some of that. People are very excited when they started rolling that stuff out. That makes them worse. It condenses everything. They are so much more effective when it's really spread out when you give Hertz as many options as possible. He'll probably not always pick the right one, but you're just putting more options on the plate. Even in the Lions game, the big third and 11 conversion came on the little wrap concept they have with the center wrapping around, a little full-fold thing with Jalen Hertz carrying the ball, spread to run. He had a quarterback draw, third and 10, spread to run. And even the numbers, they're running game, they're one of the best five in the NFL when it's a spread formation and they're running as they bring more of these

bodies in to try and play bully ball and mash things and get the run game. going things have got worse yeah they are the fourth worst team so what is that 29th in the NFL if you look at EPA per play on just straight dropback situations I believe there was a couple funny teams in front of them I think the jets were in front of them and the titans I was really shy it was like in just straight like you know nothing going on take away the RPO stuff and everything just like they they can't do it and watching it, it's crazy because we have seen Jalen Hertz play as very best football when it matters the most. And yet they so often revert to it. To my eye, like the biggest problem I see is just like,

it just takes them a while to get to the right read. Tell me if you think that's wrong, because I saw that a couple times and yeah, the concepts are not helping them. And A.J. Brown, you know, in a big play, doesn't get open against Rock Yassin last week. Like that's not helping Jalen Hertz either, but there were a couple times when I saw, like, okay, I think a lot of quarterbacks would have gotten to Devante here or would have gotten to A.J. Brown here, and they are open, and he's just not necessarily getting to that secondary receiver fast enough. No, but I do think it comes down to coaching. He's not a relentless rhythmic thrower. He never has been. His best games in the Super Bowl were not relentless rhythmic games. There was like all time put the cape on,

I'm going to make something happen. There was some rhythm throws. He can do some of that stuff. everything he does that is like the A plus skill in the NFL is throwing the ball down the field off into a spot just throwing it to a landmark letting a guy go make a play you can still design stuff to spring guys open you can watch the Ben Johnson offense

it's a bombs away offense but it's designed to get guys open it's not just two by two static we've got two studs at receiver we think they'll win and we'll just even throw a deep hinge to the sideline or we'll make it vertical and we'll try and throw over people's heads well maybe the Cowboys defense can help solve it But I did have an image suddenly last night.

It's like, I don't know. Maybe this is actually the one where they slip up going to Dallas, a familiar opponent. The defense is a little better. And obviously, they're playing a much better offense. I'm looking forward to that. But we're not preview in the game here. And I do feel bad.

Like, for your first episode, Ali, we're going pretty hard negative, like in terms of the thing that could get in your way. Like, Ali loves him some ball. He's not a dower guy just because, you know, he's from Manchester and over in the UK. You are breaking ground, by the way. I'm thinking about this. You're the first overseas NFL daily correspondent.

Maybe the first NFL media overseas correspondent ever. I don't know. I can't think of any. But let's stay Dower. Give me the reason this one seems easier. Are we putting the bears, by the way, in the contenders? Do they count or no? They're the three seasons.

Based on standing. We're skipping them, right? I think the bears, based on standing, we have to. the schedule is pretty brutal coming up but could also tell us that they could be in the thing I mean the offense is playing like a wagon you know okay give me the bears then give me your bears

unless I'm surprising you right here no no the pass rushes is not championship worthy they are to win the whole thing to win the whole dance you have to win with a downfall it's just that simple and you can try and do with creativity and sims and zone pressures and all the different things people have tried we're now in probably year five of simulating pressure in different creative blitz packages being like the fulcrum of most

defense in the NFL we've yet to see someone rip through three four playoff rounds just playing that way that at some point because the quarterbacks are so good the opposing offenses are so dominant you're going to have to just get pressure with four and hope you can hang it on the back end and then have your quarterback make plays at least through one of those rounds to win the whole thing they just don't have the downfall to compete at the highest level the 27th in four-man pressure rate and it's all really really slow they have like the slowest time to pressure of any team in the NFL. They're now blitzing at a wakadoo level. Dennis Allen is just coming after it. And it is so unbelievably ineffective that it's almost not worth the investment

at this point, but it's the only card he has to play. So they just don't get enough pressure for me. And I think that will show up during this really difficult stretch. Yeah, they weren't before Odenbo went out for the season. It was a big free agent pickup, although he personally wasn't getting like a ton of pressure, but he was still better than what they have. Montez Sweat is there, who's a solid player, but maybe not playing at his absolute peak and not a huge difference maker. Perhaps they can get the quarterback to hold the ball a little longer

when they get some of their players back in the secondary, Kyler Gordon and Jalen Johnson, should be back, whether it's this week or sometime soon. That would help because their schedule is getting much tougher. Yeah, that one seems like a clear one. I'm going to go with the Lions next. Okay. And mine is, is there,

offensive line special enough? And I think you could have gotten a line with a lot of these teams. And I don't think you're a fan of pass block win rate. Do you have any, or run block win rate at all? I think I've heard you talk about that. First of all, why is that true? And do you think it has a little more credence, like as a team-wide stat in comparing it year over year? Possibly as a team-wide stat. I think you'd have to sit down with the people programming some of that stuff to find out. Just a lot of it doesn't match up with the eye test. And when Brandon Thorne, who is probably the best individual analyst covering the O-Line,

so he literally goes through and charts every single pressure in SAG in the NFL, and his charting very rarely matches up to any of the metric systems. And I know that he's going through every single play one by one. I get a bit queasy around some of the numbers. That's fair. And, yeah, Ali, for the listeners out there, getting to know him, has a scouting background. What exactly was the scouting background? It's always very mysterious and confusing to me.

No, I used to work helping teams the year before the draft would happen. So you've got to find out, is there a guy Yale playing tight end who is draft eligible who we should bother sending a scout to go see? You got to go through all the schools in the country. Then I spend time at Western Michigan when the Broncos went 12 and 0, won the Mac, no big deal. Hell yeah. Put some good players out into the league who are still there right now. Corey Davis, top, what, 15 pick was on that team? Taylor Moten, still with the Panthers, good team.

And you were doing what, like advanced scouting for them? What were you doing? That was the pre-NIL era with very specific staff requirements. I don't want to get anyone in any kind of bother or trouble about this international staffing with the Western Michigan Broncos. Jaila Moore was on that team. It was now or was for a while, the left tackle protecting Patrick Mahomes. That was a cool one.

Let's go. Okay, we don't want to get into any trouble. Ollie was not a bag man, though, just to be clear. So the Lions, that was a long way of getting around to, okay, in terms of past block win rate, run block win rate, like they're not in the top 20 this season and it's down pretty significantly from where they were last year. And then it was the idea coming into the season,

will this be the problem? And when I'm watching them on a week-to-week basis, like we know that Jared Goff is better compared to, you know, when he's kept clean versus pressure compared to other quarterbacks. Like the difference is much more. or drastic, just to put some numbers on that. He is fourth in the NFL, I believe, in EPA per play, when clean, 29th pressure. It's pretty similar success rate, like second in success rate when clean 26, when under pressure.

And you've got a situation where Taylor Decker is sounding a lot like Frank Ragnow this year, where he's playing through a serious injury and retirement might be right around the corner based on the way that he's talked publicly. He's very close with Ragnow, by the way. So that's your left tackle. And then who took over for Ragnow is Graham Glasgow in the middle. You have a rookie in Tate Rattlidge, who's certainly had some struggles. And then you have a replacement at the other guard spot, Iowa Sika, right now.

And you think of the path that this team has, and going back to that, where it could be the Packers, the Eagles, and the Seahawks, let's say, to try to go make the Super Bowl, especially if they don't win the division. And it's tough. You can't quite imagine this line necessarily holding up. And it's been what made this team so special. It's true in the run blocking game, too. What are you seeing right now out of this offensive line?

Do you think there is a way out where they could be special enough to get to the Super Bowl? No, I don't think so. I don't think specially enough. And you saw it in the Eagles game when they face a team that is just more dominant than them in the trenches where you just start having to bring bodies in and you just hoping you can get through with numbers. And all of a sudden you become a really static offense where it's all out. outside the numbers one-on-one shots looking like the Eagles offense, frankly, at times.

And that's just not who they've ever been and not the way I think Jared Goff wants to play. He needs as many options available as quickly as possible, and he will just decode you on the fly. That's his superpower, is winning from the neck up. And so if you start drawing extra bodies in to try and cover up for errors everywhere else, it kind of, you know, tilts the whole thing downwards. I think the impact in the run game is probably the most understated part of the lines. I think just because the aura of Dan Campbell is like, well, they'll always have a physical, all dominant run game, but they're really siloed now in how they can get after you.

They used to be the most, they had the deepest menu of run players in the league. And it was not just that Ben Johnson was hanging around there and was really smart. It was that the talent of the players was, everyone was available to do anything you could ever dream up or draw up on a napkin. And now they've just got these mallers where it's all vertically based. And it's the same in Pass, bro. These guys play on like a linear plane. They don't really have to speed or the agility to move and pull and play out in space.

And it's really narrowed down what they're able to get to. and it is that a big knock on effect on some of the play action stuff they can do. Even if you look at some of their numbers rushing outside the tackles, they have the most electric back in the NFL, probably the single best pound for pound player in the NFL in and they have a 36% rush success rate, which is one of the worst marks in the NFL. That should not be allowed to happen, but it's because these guys play really well when it's all the combo blocks, it's like mass on mass and just who wants to fight for it and wants it more and who can play with leverage, they can bully people when you've got to try and be more intricate

and have more of a pinpole and guys out in space field to the offense, things fall apart and has a real knock-on effect on the play action game, which, as you said, is where they're at the best. I wanted to go back to what you just said. You think Jemir Gibbs is potentially the best all-around player in the NFL? I think pound for pound. If you're putting people on the podium, you'd have what, Parsons, Garab, Bijon, Jamir?

Would that be a fair top four? That's a good one. I tried to make the case in our show the other week that, like, as great as Bejan is, I don't know. Just as a pure runner, like Jemir Gibbs is my guy. And Patrick, you know, Claibon and Jordan were like, oh, you don't have to always compare him. I was like, well, but you can.

That's what's fun about doing the show. I think I would take Gibbs. I'm glad you agree. Or maybe you don't. I don't know. You have Bejohn on the podium, too. Yeah, just on the lines, just so I get this correct for the listeners, my concern with them, the offense line, Robin, just the team.

talent is they don't have any horizontal element in the offense anymore, other than Jamir being special in space. That's like the only like advantage addition they have is when just funnel the balls of Jamir in space he'll figure out. It's all the jet sweeps and the motions and things like that. It's a little bit more gimmickified than traditional lions Ben Johnson style offense. And so now you have to play really vertically. And that's where those guys are best in their past sets too. It's just like straight drop back vertical play action game. They can't roll the pocket with Jared Goff because he doesn't move. He's not a scrambler. So he just puts them in this siloed style of offense and they are not a bombs away outside the number's offense. So they probably

should be with James and Rolling Teesla are in there for a certain number of reps. I was going to say, they could be, couldn't they? I mean, Goff can make those throws. Maybe it's not what he majors in, but he certainly can make those throws. Get our guy to Slah in the mix? Like, they could be. Do you think they could potentially adjust a little bit down the stretch? I think they should do. It would come down to stuff we'd never know. Communication between Campbell and Goff of a willingness to say, we're good with you throwing four down there and them taking one away. We'll just live with that. If we give up a turnover, we give one up. You'd have to kind of reprogram yourself on the fly. But Goff has now made himself as the closest facsimile,

not in production or overall talent, but style-wise to Tom Brady. Like, that's what the game is modeled on. Hit the back foot, get the ball out. Brady was able to adjust. And the greatest of Brady was whatever playoff game demands, that is just what I will produce. I'm not sure we can ever suggest that Jared Gough has that kind of internal antennae of exactly what a playoff game needs. And so I just think they are way more get-aftable than they have ever been during the Dan Campbell run. I'm not giving up on my lions because I did have them in the Super Bowl this year. But, and I do think they still will win the division. If I have to take one of those teams, I think they would be my team. But I just don't think they're as complete a team as the Seahawks

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That could work. I feel like we need a name, Ali, and so, you know, I know you've been a writer, you've been an editor, I'm going to put you on this task, but I also put the listeners. If anyone listening out there has ideas, we need some sort of special Ali Connolly Saturday show branding. It's going to be ours forever. I'm not ready. I'm not ready to pick one quite yet, Ali. But if you got any, I'll take it. Yeah, the listeners come on with unbelievable names. I'm slightly worried that it opens up the door for some ad hominin attacks on my possible smokeness and all arrogance, which is, you know, somewhat concerning. But Saturdays

for the sickos or something like that, you know, something positive would be nice. That's pretty good. No, I don't think they would do that. You've gotten a lot about the resemblance to Kirk Cudden's over the years. I feel like you're growing out of that. When you're not wearing the hat, I think you don't see that. The hair is looking good here. And I thought you were going to say because I know when you've dealt with people within the NFL,

the first reaction is like, what? Really? You know about the American football? As a British guy, like they cannot get over it. But we're going to put you to the test. All right. You are up. Let's talk Seahawks.

This is one. I was very curious to see where you went. with one i had the hardest time with because i just think it's the most complete team in the league and save for like a donald meltdown game is that just the floor that both he can play like the MVP to league for seven eight weeks but then there's the full meltdown i guess more big picture there is a slight concern of how adaptable enough are they offensively given some of the issues with the run game we haven't seen them play for a negative game script an awful lot the season beyond the rams and then things did snowball on sam donald

And although they throw out a lot of cool stuff, they have more personnel packages than any offense in the NFL, they're not all as effective as one another. And I do just wonder if they're not quite as adaptable as some of the best offenses in the league. Having said that, that's a concern I've had for them for like five, six weeks. Then they went and got Rashid Shaheed, and they were like, we're going to be pretty more adaptable now because we've got another absolute zoomer on the outside. Yeah, it was interesting that, you know, they had them in the backfield a little bit.

What did you see? I know he hasn't gotten a ton of usage for them with how you think they will use Shahid to make them maybe a little more adaptable. Yeah, I think before they just didn't have any three-level receiving threats that wasn't JSN, someone who could attack. Sure, intermediate deep.

And now with Shahid, who I think is just a way more nuanced all-around receiver than he's being given credit for, which is just like he's a burner. I think there's way more to his game than that. And so opening that up, particularly I think in the run game, just having someone who can stretch the field

and he has that kind of OS factor for safety. It was like, oh, no, that's real speed. We got to back up and make sure we're capping someone to that side and maybe you can draw two bodies, like the gravitational pull of speed is a real thing and clear people out to try and free up the run game. The main thing in his first game was just not understanding what was happening in the offense a lot of the time.

It really submarine that two-minute drill. Greg Olson was excellent on it on the call, being like, they are burning seconds, having to remind him where he is in the formation, and it's kind of strange because he did work with Kubiak last season. So hopefully he can get it. up to speed pretty quickly. Yeah, the darn old, can you survive?

Like, it's a stretch. Maybe it's the consistency in the run game, and Mike McDonald indicated this week that they might go to Kenneth Walker more, like, percentage-wise. He said that before, but the fact that he said it right now at this point in the season

after that performance, I thought, was telling maybe they're not quite consistent enough. And then, you know, Darnold and Kubiak, especially offensively, doesn't mean they just kind of, because they haven't done it before that they can't do it. We've seen a ton of Super Bowl teams do it that way. But it's going to be very tough for them,

especially if they don't win the division. And now they have to get that Rams game coming back to make this defensive gauntlet too. Can those two guys, like can Kubiak put enough good game plans together and can Darnold avoid the meltdown through, let's say, like a three-game NFC gauntlet would be pretty tough. He also is making some of the most absurd throws you'll levy. Yes.

highest degree difficulty not open he had the the best um the most absurd rate you've ever seen of tight window throws while under pressure and they're all complete 15 plus yards down the field that just doesn't happen um you don't complete those throws to think that will sustain throughout a playoff run against the best the best i think is you're asking for kind of an eli on the giants level flaco uh with the raven's level of hot streak through a postseason when the degree difficulty is really high and we've seen one game when the degree of difficulty cranks up slightly and his brain just kind of falls apart. I'm the president of the Don't Allow Eli Manning

into the Hall of Fame committee. And yet, I will always point out to people, if you watch his run towards the end of the 11 season, it was like it was so incredible. Not just in the playoffs. He kind of started it at the end of the regular season. The flacko comparison is good. He kind of did the flaco playoff thing,

but for about seven or eight weeks, just hitting some low percentage, incredibly difficult throws that were just all him for a couple of months. So Eli's got that. All right, I will, I'll finish with the Bucks. And it is Baker. It is stringing those four games together. I think that is the right answer because he's 31st in success rate this year when having a clean pocket.

It's crazy. Like, the only people ahead of behind him are Dylan Gabriel, Cam Ward, and J.J. McCarthy, among like the people with 50 throws and it's just chaotic and I was curious for your take because I don't feel like I've heard it of how he's played lately. He does fit the profile of a guy like an Eli or or a flaco that could get hot and because he is a streaky quarterback but right now I'm seeing a guy that's like just not necessarily seen the field well or he's not willing to take the positive plays that are there and he's either hunting for big plays or he's just holding on. That's at least my impression. I'm curious

what you think he's looked like on film. No, I agree with you. And one of the worst things I think that could have happened to bake was getting any kind of like MVP buzzer being put in Patrick Claiborne's conversation. Because now he's just going pure hero ball at a times when it's completely unnecessary. There's wide open targets. He's like, I'm just going to take off and do my own thing. And those late game comebacks bailed him out almost narratively from the fact he was playing really poorly for 25 snaps a game during those games and he had all the issues with the offensive line and receivers going down. He deserves credit for overcoming that, but you've just read off the numbers when pressured.

Even when he's being blitz this year, Baker's always roasted the blitz. It's always been one of his biggest strengths dating back to college. He has had such a stark decline this season against the blitz and it's just missing wide open targets, misreading the field consistently. And the difference with him, I think, to someone like a flacco or Manning or those guys who get hot during the postseason is Baker's streaky in game. You don't know what you're getting drive-to-drive with Baker. He's not a guy that's like, oh, the three weeks have been absolutely electric

than the next two weeks for a bit of a struggle. That is kind of the general view sometimes and true. But even within those electric games, there's two or three drives. It's just like he buries the offense on his own with bad decisions and trying to do too much. So I just really struggle unless they get all the guys back together. And Grazard has like a magical series of game plans for the postseason, which you just don't get from first year OCs. That's always a mess throughout the first season.

It's kind of wild the run they've been on to think you could go three times in a row with just a great game planning go see is really difficult to do. I just, I can't see Baker holding up without giving people plenty of opportunities to get some takeaways in the playoffs. Yeah, I think the offensive line has a chance to be really good in their, they're getting healthier. And their defense, I think overall, even though they've given up a lot of big plays, it hasn't been great lately, I think is better than the last couple of versions.

And that's what's a little disappointing about this Bucks team is, I thought, I think a lot of people thought maybe this is the year that they escape out of that. Well, we're winning the NFC South almost by default and actually we're pretty talented and playing maybe our best towards the late in the season. But we're clearly like a step below the real deal teams. It felt like they've had enough continuity coming into the season and the injuries have hurt on both sides of the ball, to be fair. But it doesn't feel like they're escaping that. In fact, they could be in second place like by the end of the weekend if they lose that game. to the Rams, like, do you see them a tick below some of these teams we've already talked about

in terms of the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Rams, maybe even the Lions? Yeah, I think I put them right by the Eagles, because I don't think they're as fundamentally flawed as the Eagles. I think the Rams and Seahawks are just in a completely different tier they're own to everyone in the league in terms of all around completeness. One of them does happen to have Sam Donald, the other one can't play one of the three elements of the sport, which is they can't play special teams. So that's a little bit of a ding on those two teams.

But I just think they are in a different stratosphere. The books, to me, if they were healthy, that is the best offensive line in the league. It's them and the Broncos. Those are so clearly superior to everyone else, and it puts so much on the menu for them as we saw in the Bills game last week, how they were able to completely re-choreograph

the run game in one week in a way they have not done all season is only available because of the talent, the offensive line. So if they were healthy, particularly with Hassan Reddick defensively, I think that they are as loaded as any team in the league with playmakers and then have a ton of stability

in the secondary in the O line. So they get the playmaking explosives and the stability. It's just so happens that the most important guy who touches the ball, every play offensively is the most like

destabilized portion of the team. Right. And they basically are healthy on the offensive line. They don't have Bredison right now who's at guard, but the other four spots are solid and Getakie is back.

Yeah, I'm not crossing the mouth by any means of making a run. I think they have the talent to possibly do it. Last team we'll talk about at length here is the Green Bay Packers. I believe it was your Super Bowl team before they made the Michael Parsons trade

and then certainly you were sticking with them afterwards. What do you think could get in their way? Again, I think it's the offensive line. It may sound boring, but the interior of that offensive line has just been brutal. Some of the run game issues, the blow-up protections, I just think they placed a bet on a style of football that has just completely busted out

and now they're trying to like work and back the way out of it. They got so big on the interior. and now you look at Banks, Sean Ryan, Jordan Morgan, that you just cannot go into a game in Philadelphia and think you're going to have any chance with that group unless you can completely reorient the style of offense and unfortunately to reorient the offense, you basically have to say we're trading off any sense of efficiency.

We cannot drive the field. Our guys aren't good enough. So now we've got to go hunt for big chunk plays and that gets, you know, Jordan loves eyes all big and excited. Like, oh, we get to go hunt chunk plays, let's go have some fun. And you kind of lay slightly into some of his words. worst instincts where he goes chasing it on every single play.

Wow. This is as down as I've heard you with the Packers because, you know, you're a Lafleur believer. And as, as, as disappointing as some of these games have been, they're still like in okay position. You look at the overall efficiency in terms of DVOA, for instance. Like, they're one of the teams that is in the top 10 of both categories, although it's like eight and nine. They're not elite really at either.

Like, where, where do you think this. offense in particular that you're mentioning, and this is coming up for all these offenses, like, where do you think they go in terms of, like, how they want to adjust down the stretch? That is one I don't know, and that's where I just love Matt LaFleau so much. I have, I'm just excited to see what he comes up with. He's one of those guys where the brain is so large. I'm just like, I can't wait to see how he figures it out. I'm sure he'll get it right. I'll be all excited to figure out however is he ID was the solution. I don't think right now having on the opening drive of the game leaving Dexter Lawrence

unblocked is like the way he wants to go with this stuff you would think that would be maybe in the keys to the game let's make sure we block the best player on the field so they just have so many breakdowns inside it's a problem i did think that was jordan loves maybe best game of the season just snap for snap how he was throwing decision making and so you kind of just need him to elevate to a level that is i offset all interior line concerns the tackles hold up well enough we've got enough playmaking we can at least go and get some chunks down the field and so he would just have to rise to a level of consistency we haven't quite seen

throughout his career. Yeah, maybe Christian Watson continues to improve. Jaden Reed gets healthy. They can definitely get healthier. We'll see if they have a... I will say, though, LaFleur himself,

this has been a really rough season, play calling wise. For a guy who I think is the best in the business, the situational play calling has been so off all season long that I just am concerned as a fan of his work

that he's misidentified his own team and is now driving ahead with something philosophically like you see with the Falcons and Sack Robinson when it becomes like a coach's quest to prove his philosophy as opposed to looking at his personnel and going what will actually help us get out at this situation? I can't believe the real whispers

beyond just like fans being mad about like could this be it for Matt Lafleur and Goudicuns depending on how this goes and their schedule is tough like there is a path towards that happening with and it would be a mistake and it would be great for content because there would be an absolute huge competition to get Lafleur and maybe good accounts maybe they're back and see I don't know what their relationship is like doesn't that just feel like the part in the America's game film at the end of the year where they're flushing up all the tweets and then it like ends with them holding the trophy yeah that's what it feels like

to me it could still happen it's i look i love i love all the seasons you know they're all they're all beautiful children but this one especially in the nfc it's why we started here it is so fascinating because the stakes are so high and all these teams are so talented that they all have a legit shot to change their story around except for the 49ers sorry i feel bad about this because the more i thought about it we decided the 49ers weren't going to be in our mix for contenders just because the defense like there's just there's just no path with that pass rush and just the overall defensive talent. And yet, you know, the more I thought about it this week. And I was like, could they put up 40 a game? And Kyle, like, has his best season as a play caller the rest

of the way. And it's just like the season you never saw coming from the 49ers. You never know. So we're not going to talk about you at length 49ers fans. But don't be mad. You never, you never know. They could put up 40 a game or something crazy. Like, it's not, like there is, it's a smaller path, I think, than the rest of these teams that we talked about, but it's a path. I think there's definitely a path to win a playoff game and maybe win two. I think going all the way. They put up 40 game, but they get, you know,

curbed over the head for 45 by the Rams or something. Right. You would have to have, like, the right matchups. I don't know what that would be to escape, like, facing a great offense throughout the playoffs. But yeah, that defense just doesn't seem like it's going to be competitive enough. Before we wrap up, Ollie, let's talk a little international.

You know, you've been back in Manchester. How long now? Oh, God. 10 days? I think I had the Berlin Flores. for seven days. Don't Google what the Berlin flew is. Too many fun nights in the greatest city on earth. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, let's start there then. How was the Berlin week beyond just like why and how you got the flu? Berlin was incredible. I felt the first

time, you know, every six months or something, Mr. Goodell goes out and floats and floats the idea of a London Super Bowl and the Wall Street Journal or whoever will write about. Could they do a game in London, you know, because all the owners read that journal. This was the first time it felt like a European Super Bowl in Berlin. It was a really, really cool week where it like takes over a major European international city. You've been to the London games. The London games are great and cool.

The NFL doesn't quite take over the city because there is so much going on in an enormous international city. Just is impossible to have that degree of footprint. But in Berlin, it did. There was 11 teams who have the home market rights and they were all on the ground there. then you have the league as well doing stuff. And it was just absolutely everywhere all over the week. So it was really, really fun to see that scale

and have that kind of Super Bowl feel. What was the vibe like in the city, like the NFL fan base there? I guess you're not like an expert. You're not living there. But like in terms of they're not, you know, we do hear from a lot of German listeners in general. I know you were out and about.

I don't want to blow up your spot, but you might have been like seeing some, some teams out and about how do you think like that whole experience was out out in the city yeah it was incredible everyone's having a fine time wonderful time Berlin as I said probably the greatest city in Europe um so that was a lot of fun um the level of knowledge is is just different to everywhere else I mean if you think at the end of NFL Europe every team but one was a German teams like the domestic built in love for the sport is it like a granular feeler in your bones level as opposed to just the circus comes to town and it's kind of the Rasmids as in the shiny helmets that kind of

maybe gets someone interested initially there's like a real earthy feel and love for the sports so you're out there talking with guys at the bar about DVOA people are talking special teams DVOA at the bar you don't get that in many other international visits and then you also get on the top of it all kind of the big temp hole the league doing all the different stuff they want to do what player watching it live so you were broadcasting the game for talk sport with their friend Will Gavin, who, by the way, I can break the news here, is coming back to NFL daily next Friday. It's actually going to be the three of us. So in general, Ali and I are going to do Saturdays until the end of the regular season, and we'll figure out what's the right day

for us to do our shows once we get to the playoffs. We won't do it Saturdays because there's games, obviously. But next week's a little weird with Thanksgiving. So you're going to join me in Will Gavin after the Black Friday game to talk the Thanksgiving games and recap that. So we'll get the three of us together. What player, I'll put it this way, or players maybe stood out to you the most watching them live that just popped? Honestly, it was Jalen Walker. It's my first time seeing him live and I think he's going to be a super duper star of the highest order. Yes, I love it. He's really improved to my eye this season. Like the first month, he wasn't getting a ton of run. He still is a part-time player, but he's getting more.

run. Seems like he was trying to figure out what to do, but you can see the athleticism now popping, at least on tape. What did you see in person? Yeah, I think the intelligence is what stands out with him, whether it's in person on tape, the understanding of what's happening. I mean, because they are such a package-based defense where it's like roll out different groups of people, I think it just kind of limits how often he's on the field more than it being like there's like an issue in the game somewhere. Just bigger, quicker, stronger than everyone else in the field. And sometimes you just see it in earth. It's like, wow, that guy, even when you go by the numbers and the weight, it's like, why does he look so much bigger than Bernard Riemann? That guy's a huge human being, and he just

looks thicker and stronger than that guy. So he just completely jumped out. And it's on a feel with, you know, unbelievable athletes all over the place. And the guy moving at a different speed with Jalen Walker. I got to study him more, because that's my type of guy. I mean, a totally different type of player than Trevon Walker. But I do just like the guys that are bigger, faster, stronger, and And you can see it because it's like I never fell out of love with Genevian Clowny. Oh, by the way, he's still getting it done at his age for the Cowboys. Okay, let's, let's, I'll go back to Dublin. Because it was a similar vibe to start the international series where it did feel like it took over the town in a way that I hadn't seen in London.

And everyone was so, like, thrilled that that the game was in Dublin. And I just have to think that that has to be in the heavy rotation, especially the vibe of I walked to the game and just the vibe of the entire city almost walking together, leaving it. Now that I've now left a Premier League game, it had a similar vibe where it was just like absolutely packed getting out of the stadium. And it's like elbow to elbow for streets on end leaving there. And it just made a lot of sense there.

And in terms of what stuck out, it was our guy, speaking a bigger, stronger, faster. Darno Washington, to me, now am I mixing up the Dublin and the London games? Like, Darno Washington in person was just like a sight to behold. And you realize, like, this dude really is one of the best players in the NFL at what he does. And almost no one really does exactly what he does. As a longtime Mount Washington believer, I just want to give you the floor for a second to say how you've enjoyed this season. Yeah, it's fun to see like the almost international breakout of Donnell Washington, and if he was, you know, on a team with anyone over than Arthur Smith, I think would be like this huge household name of doing the most absurd things in pro football. And I still do have slightly in the back of my mind, like if he just moved to tackle, I know that's out there quite consistent. Like, could go and make himself $50 million year. Jailam Moore as a backup with the Niners got like, what, $12.50 million a year. It's going to be a swing tackle for the Chiefs. I feel like he's only now, what, 23 pounds.

shy of being like tackle weight 3-11 might even be solid tackle weight for him and you can move so well he could consider that but i think there's so much potentially him as a truly explosive play threat you see it with him kind of just throwing small dudes off him down the field people just bounce off him he's a truly a unique weapon where it's like mercedes louis at the tail end of mercedes career but i think quicker down the field where you could do some really creative things with him if you had the kind of offensive mind to you know try to be creative yeah the breakout last week in terms of, you know, just running over a couple of Bengals, but I almost like the play where he hurtled one of them earlier in the game, like just as much. And that was a great

game to call because you're not sure exactly where to look every play or before the play. There's so much to look at. And I just found, like, if you just watch Darnell, like, first of all, it's going to be fun, but also, like, you'll figure out how that play is going to work. He really is a skeleton key. And yeah, I just, Dublin, shout out to Michael McQuaid. And as we kind of wrap up like the international series, I just,

I just think they made such a great first impression. And Croke Park is just like the perfect place to play those games. I'd be shocked if they're not doing an annual game. It just makes so much sense. How have you seen the London game experience evolve and just sort of as someone who obviously grew up loving the NFL, like how that, how you've seen that, change with the people around you in England?

Yeah, the evolution has been interesting. I think that, how to put this, I don't know if it quite has the same event feel as it once did, where, you know, there would be packs of eight, nine friends who would build their year round were going to that game. I actually think that part of the international expansion and I met a bunch of these people in Berlin was like, we chose to do the Berlin game rather than do the London game.

It's fun for us to go on tour. It is such a regular feature of the scale. scheduling to make it a bit different. They're like, we're going to go to Ireland this year. We're going to go to Berlin this year. Next year, there's going to be a game in Paris. Do we do a weekend in Paris or do we do a weekend in London when we've got multiple London options?

So I think that is a kind of interesting pivot point for the league in general. Is there any kind of not necessarily stay on this? And a lot of that is matchup based too. But how do you kind of inject some more sizzle into London and make it have a really special feel? Yeah. I mean, the matchups didn't work out. like they wanted or the games themselves.

Broncos Jets was close, but I was happy that you were handling that the next week or that was happening the next week. From that first game we watched together, is there anyone in that Vikings game that stands out to you? Well, I just want to see Brian Flores in person. I just enjoy and admire all the wizardry and madness up close and personal, which I was pleased to do.

Yeah, and that was going up against a team that really wasn't ready for them in terms of the Browns. And watching Justin Jefferson in person is always a treat because it's just like so smooth. If you just focus on him every play, it just makes it look so effortless. And he is someone that absolutely moves different than other people. And it's fun to see. One thing I've noticed over the years, like going to London every year is it does feel like the casual, there's either more casual fans or the, casual fan of the NFL, they're just more aware of it in a way that I do compare it to how the Premier League is here, where I think the NFL in England is almost like where the Premier

League is here, maybe five, seven years ago, where now, like, sort of everyone has a base knowledge where, like, whenever people ask what I'm doing in town, if it's like the Uber drivers or whatever, like, they always know what I'm talking about, which is a nice, nice surprise. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And all the old stuff in the stadium where they would tell you, like, what the rules are and sometimes they flex that stuff up but like even the most casual like I'm going with my friend has a general enough understanding where you don't need that stuff anymore. I will say my favorite memory from that besides no calling the game with you and Will was Greg Newsom getting into it with Kevin O'Connell and then Kevin O'Connell dialing up plays specifically to attack Greg

Newsom and is a great reminder for like a film dog like me like these people are human and real and sometimes you just want to stick it to the corner you're shouting at the head coach on the sideline and you get to call plays and it's like let me go and embarrass the corner the next two snaps I I enjoyed that. That's awesome. And he put that on tape, so I feel like other coaches have been copying the game plan

to just pick on Greg Newsom ever since. That was an interesting moment in that season, because I remember calling at the time, Carson Schwessinger, just drilling Carson Wentz in the open field.

And I do think back to, well, what if he hadn't hurt that shoulder? And after these last couple J.J. McCarthy games, thinking, like, would they be winning these games with Carson Wentz? The last one, I kind of think the answer would be yes. Like, sometimes, you know,

you don't know how good you had it when you had Carson Wentz. I agree. Maybe you could even look at Brosma. Maybe we could do another soft injury benching. Well, that was one of the more exciting moments of the game where we saw Brosmer warming up on the sideline. Okay, last thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with International or the things that are going to get in the way of contenders.

But what do you think? Do you think they should go to Bronner? I would like to see it. I would like to have a quarterback who can throw it to his left if I'm playing in pro football and I have the best receiver in pro football would be helpful to be able to attack the full field. And you think it's like specifically a left problem?

I do know that on the past chart, on the spray chart from NGS, yeah, it's not working out. Like, is that just random? Do you think this could be salvaged? Because there are positive plays, Vikings fans got mad when I said that performance was Tebow-like. And it wasn't saying he was at Tebow's level.

It was more just like it was Drek until the fourth quarter and somehow they're going to manage to pull this out. Do you think there could be improvement here in the shorter term? Well, that's one of those things with the Vikings fans. Like when your brother says something to you and you know it's true deep down so it hurts more. It's because they know that that's what that game was like. It's just production-wise it was a Tebow-S game and he's had multiple Tebow-S games

where you can't complete wide open passes. and then you kind of get hot in the two-minute drill. And that, for me, is the thing with O'Connell. We've had this weird thing with them where they can't get lined up. The huddle is a mess. The whole operation is a disaster. And then every time they play in the two-minute, which happens with a lot of these young guys when they come into the league,

everything looks, you know, it clicks and things look smoother and operate better. Why would you not just play out the no huddle more? Why would you not just clean things up more? And maybe you're a little bit more restricted in what you want to do. But the guy isn't, the complex stuff you're doing isn't working anyway because the guy can't operate it. So you may as well slim things down. some more tempo in the offense, go and steal what Cliff did with Jaden Daniels last season,

where it's no huddle, it's tempo all the time, it's having a really small menu of plays, it's packaging all the plays as one drive as an eight play package, which is a lot of what the commanders did with Jaden Daniels last week, where you just rep that throughout the week that I already know what the next play is going to be, three and four plays ahead, that is a really clean way to help these guys out, and then you can start getting into the discussions of what's lower body mechanics like, why is he struggling throwing to one side at the field? Why does he fall off throws only going one way?

You can start getting into the nitty gritty if you get kind of the big picture right. And given where his games are, I do think they failed him slightly on the big picture stuff. Ooh, it is really fascinating. Different agendas, O'Connell, and then you got Quessie, you got J.J. McCarthy,

and you got, obviously, their ex-quarterbacks doing well elsewhere. I'm looking forward to that Vikings Packers game. I'm looking forward to doing this each and every week. I do not think the Vikings are going to raise their hand and be the team that goes overseas for two games again after the way this season has gone for them. Although they did get that win over the Browns with us there. Thank you to Ali Connolly.

Thank you for everyone checking out our first Saturday show. And yes, hit us up and give us some suggestions for what we should call this Saturday show. We will be back on NFL Daily Sunday night. No Jordan this week. We're going to wave to her as she goes to Rams' Bucks across the street to cover that game. So it'll be me, Shook, and Patrick for the whole show.

And yes, Ollie will be back next week on Black Friday. We will see you then. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning.

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