NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Total Eclipse of The NFL

Episode Date: August 19, 2017

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including what the Jaguars might do about Blake Bortles, Patriots rookie Derek Rivers tearing  his ACL, and Ryan Kelly to the boomerang IR list.  The heroes name the players on their “eclipsed” list inspired by the solar eclipse this coming Monday, August 21st.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler to my left. Greg Rosenthal to my right. What's up, boys? Hey now. It's got me my new catchphrase How do you like it? I mean, it's been used, I feel like, but if you want to roll with it.

It's got some, you know, tread on its time. Hey, now. What I wanted to say to you, Greg, was that these glasses you're wearing kind of remind me of Richard Gear from Unfaithful. Is that, I mean, I'll take that as a compliment. Like, middle-aged women everywhere are just getting excited thinking about me.

Like a sensitive Westchester. art dealer who looks like he has the perfect life but if you look just a little bit closer it's all falling apart that's kind of the vibe you give off with those glasses I'll take that that means I live in Westchester

it's more just like a chill you know it's a quiet kind of somber day at the office somber somber? Let's be honest hasn't been a great week here hasn't been a great week we're not going to get into it has not been the best week one thing that we will touch

on here is Wes his chair is empty to the left right now he went through his surgery on Wednesday and everything is is going well he's in recovery right now and we're actually three of us are going to go visit him after the podcast today and we're all excited to do that and see Wes as he begins the next stage in his fight against cancer that was obliterated and hopefully it is now a complete thing of the past so shout out to the great Chris Wesleying I'm hoping to get some hospital food while I'm there not eating a lot of food today yeah I don't I don't know if the food there didn't wasn't getting great reviews west was very excited though uh that they started to allow him to eat ice chips after a couple of days I don't think he would try to sugarcoat

this is a this was a serious surgery yeah a long surgery and so uh it's going to be a a serious recovery from it but he was singing the praises of his doctor for really standing up to what he felt was an armada of non-thinking nurses who were not allowing him to swallow the ice chips and some doctor came in and like laid down the law and he was talking about this doctor like a like a war hero interesting I like I do remember both of my wife's pregnancies and then when the baby came that ice chips were like high up on the list Oh, you're constantly, as the husband, you're going down the hall in those big pink cups to get the ice chips to bring back for various reasons. Yeah.

And I'm very lucky that this is the case. I have not been back in the hospital since the birth of my second son. Hospitals are weird. Not my favorite place in the world, but to see West, it's worth, you know, going over there. Yeah, we can talk about it more on the ice chips podcast coming up. Save it. Save it. That's kind of low down the vanity pod list.

Save for the unfaithful podcast. Save for the ice chips podcast. Today's show is a good one, presented, of course, by our friends at New Era. We are going to get into some preseason football games that occurred on Thursday, just some takeaways, including, of course, more trouble in Jacksonville. Trouble that they have, you know, we'll get into it, but trouble that Jacksonville should have seen coming, and now it's the chickens are coming home to roost, as it were.

That's exactly what's happening. Also, hey, big eclipse coming to the old Earth. There's going to be a lunar, no, it's a solar eclipse, yeah. Full solar eclipse. Full solar. You never go full solar, but we are, Earth, that is, and we're going to talk about who in the NFL is getting eclipsed. Way to tie in the cosmos with just an Earth.

Bound Sport. We have a tremendously popular podcast in terms of download numbers and critical acclaim. What critical acclaim? We did win an award. We don't know where it is. 2012. We got a stitcher for you. We won best that, you know what we forget about it.

We won best of iTunes, best new podcast. We forgot that too. We won the best of, yeah, best new iTunes in 2012. And then I think we won the Stitcher in 13. Now it's a little bit of a drive here. The award shelf has failed to grow at such a pace since. Anyway, I can't remember what my point is. But, oh, yeah, the fact that we could work in this, like, natural phenomenon talk into football, you know, beat that competitors.

It's next level stuff. Next level stuff. All right. Before we do that. You know what else I was thinking not to get ahead of ourselves? Yes, right. You know, Halloween falls during the football season. What if, like, right around that we do, like, we pick which NFL players are a trick and which are a treat?

I like that. You know what I mean? find that anywhere else. Topical. By the way, I would suggest that by Tuesday night that seven or eight other media platforms will have eclips, topical eclipse segments. I can already see this.

We were first. The other thing we could do, if the 31st falls on our third show of the week, we could actually load up and do two segments. One will be trick-or-treat. And then another segment on another show, 50 minutes on it, spookiest subplots in the NFL.

You have to get ahead of these things last year, and no one else copied us on this. we did our Halloween video special in early September. Yeah, yeah. Drew some people for a loop, but management wasn't watching. At least they weren't then. We weren't asked to do many more videos after we did our Halloween special in September. Okay, anyway, behind the glass, you know, she's making waves.

She's making a name for herself. I think you've seen it. I'm sure you have it for your listener. And if you haven't, get on Twitter, I think all of us fellows in the room right now retweeted it. Erica, with a statement of intent with a video that she put out. um trumpeting her arrival welcome uh Erica how are you today good and how are you guys what a statement short on the words but when she put this I think everyone needs to check what is your Twitter handle Erica Temposi NFL Tampozy NFL TAMPOSI NFL TAMPOSI NFL yeah everyone

follow her in this uh this video was was special but what really stood out to me which I hadn't seen yet was Erica's Twitter profile where she really I feel like I've tried to put a good name on Patriots fans for the audience, but I think she really leans into the... She's leaning into the Boston. Like, you are the obnoxious Boston sports fan, according to this. Let me remind the haters, three, football, 28, hashtag Pat's Nation. I love it.

It's so great. It's how those... It's Greg's Ed. It's amazing. It's amazing. I love it. You are the mouthpiece for what Greg's always been wanting to be. He wants to be this person that could be out in front like this, but he has to hide.

You can't go to any other, any other franchise and have like a tailgate like you do in New England. I want you to try to prove that. You're winning over the diehard Jets fan in here, that's for sure. Yeah, let's calm down with the New England tailgate. They barely had a franchise before Tom Brady got to tell. Let's be honest. I mean, maybe. All right.

Erica, we're still happy that you're here, despite some of these developments. You're doing a great work. Let's do some news. How's the atmosphere and the pace different from Green Bay for you? Oh, it's hotter. It rains a lot, too, which that's different. But I love you too, bro. Who's that?

Eddie Lacey from Seahawks. Eddie Lacey. All right, let's start with the Jacksonville Jaguars. And Blake Bortles, who as time has gone on this summer, things have snowballed on Blake a little bit. in the sense that you started to get some after the spring of buzz and I believe Tom Coughley

had been coming out and saying that his mechanics were mostly fixed we continued to hear reports that things weren't going so swimmingly in practice and now the preseason is two games deep and Bortle suffered through a miserable performance on Thursday night against the Buccaneers his stat line 8 of 13 for 65 yards

but that didn't really tell the true story mark of how bad Bortles was. Let's start there. Tell me your thoughts on Blake Whorl's performance in week two of the preseason. I cannot forget the play we saw last night where Alan Robinson gets open between a cornerback and a safety, about 30 yards downfield. Blake Bortles completely botches the throw, misses him by an incredible amount. This is a guy that at one point, you know, early in his career was high up on the league leaders list in seasons of his 20 plus yard throws and completions. And it's not on

the receivers. Blake Bortles is the guy that concerned us last year. And it's another reminder that the problem with the Jaguars, when they do have other elements of their team that are developing their defense, that when we spend the offseason saying they're ready to make the leap, they're ready to do this. I agree with the defense. But the catch was always Blake Bortles. And despite the offseason, you know, semantics saying that he's fixed this and that, he looks to me like the same guy. And last night it put his job obviously utterly in danger. Yes, Mark's right.

There is now this idea that maybe the job is not safe, which is crazy. Here's what Doug Marone had to say after the game on the status of his quarterback situation. It's this simple. I'm not going to try to make this thing complicated. I'm looking for the best person to lead our offense. It's right up there for grabs. and either person can take it. It's not like he's not the quarterback.

He's got to go earn it. Translate it, Greg. Translation, Blake Bortles is unlikely to be our week one starter. Chad Henney is going to be the guy. I mean, the part I don't understand is if you're willing to pull Blake Bortles after two preseason appearances, which amounted to a handful of drives, five incompletions last night, and he looked terrible. He just looks out of it.

then what were you doing bringing him back as your quarterback? There's so little margin for error that in the first week, first home game of the preseason, the crowd is booing the home team within a driver to. Like, that's not the way you want to enter your season. And this is not second guessing. This was first guessing on this podcast back in February, where for weeks in February, because we didn't have that much to talk about, but we were hammering the Jaguards' weird decision to publicly double down on Bortals

and bring back Chad Hennie, which signified not only are we going to bring back Bortals, but we're not going to really give them any competition. I guess in theory, Henny is the competition, and they're just rolling into the season. And I think it's fair to wonder if Bortles is even going to be on the team at this point. Well, the other thing we suggested a couple weeks ago is that Bordals potentially could be trade bait. Hey, don't say we. Just own it, Mark. I just think also a trade is not going to happen. Because what are you going to trade for Blake for?

What are you going to get for Blake Bortles at this point? But it's amazing to see how quickly his career has gone completely off track. Because this is a couple seasons ago saying when we were right or wrong about things. We also looked at Blake Bordles completely differently a couple seasons ago and thought he was one of the more promising quarterbacks in the AFC. Well, we didn't in that case. Bill Deucer was always on the fence about Blake, if you recall. A lot of garbage time production, even when he was putting up numbers,

and now it's kind of falling off the cliff a little bit. But he was always a guy there was always kind of a little bit of suspicion about whether he was the real deal. I thought physically there was a lot to like, but it just makes me look at young quarterbacks today that even surge in year one and two, that you cannot completely know the script within one season or two. Well, it's such a mental position. He's not like a – Wes had noted that quote, I believe, last November, which Bortles had said to Rich Gannon, which is, you know,

I'm not really a natural thrower of the football. and Gannon saying, I've never heard a quarterback say that in my life. I mean, it's mental to this point. He was a better thrower, not a good one a couple years ago. And I think Morone sees how it's mental, and he just can't sell to the rest of the team, like going with this guy when they've got a lot of talent on the rest of the team. This is how toxic it's gotten, too,

is that the Jaguar players aren't even really trying to hide this anymore, and it's all there. And if you're following these practices and in social media, there was an SB Nation blog that posted a, did some type of Instagram post about who can possibly replace Bortles as the starter. And Jalen Ramsey clicked like on it. There was a video that kind of went viral. That Putele report, which is the Bucs website, sent out from a practice where Bortles wildly overthrew Alan Robinson.

And then Robinson was picked up by the iPhone mic saying, keep that in bounds, bro. damn so you could just tell the frustration that the teams the players have he doesn't have the support of the players and he's not performing this all seems like it's trending in a direction and one last thing like with morone it wasn't like last night you know tip the scales you know against blake boardles this is a coach that weeks ago was saying if he had his druthers they would not throw the ball once the entire game talk about something that's not happening in the NFL how many coaches walk around saying that about the quarterback it is such a weird in

situation. I know we should move on, but it feels like a waste of a year because there's a good chance that there'll be a different quarterback next year. Who knows if Tom Coughlin's going to want to keep Doug Marone or the GM? I don't know. Maybe Chad Henney will be just good enough with a good defense and running game that you win seven games and you convince yourself, you know, at least you're moving in the next direction. Like, there are worse quarterbacks in the NFL than Chad Henney, but if you're a Jaguars fan and three in a season with him as your week one start, Not that it's official yet. We're just kind of reading the tea leaves.

That's pretty depressing. What does Colin Kaepernick have to do to get a job at this point? Moving on, the Indianapolis Colts are going to be missing a dependable player. Senator Ryan Kelly, their 2016 first round pick, had a very nice season as a rookie. He needs surgery on his foot. He broke a bone in practice about a week ago, and now they're going down the surgical route. So he is most likely going to end up where he is going to end up. on the IR boomerang, which means he'll miss six weeks of action before being designated to return,

and then it could be longer after that. But in any case, Greg, this is not good news for a line that is not, let's face it, it's not the 2016 Dallas Cowboys offensive line to start with, and now you take out one of their key pieces. It's not, and they felt like they had finally built something with Kelly, Muho at left guard, and Costanzo at left tackle. that actually, you know, we've got the makings of a group we can grow up with. Well, I was in Indianapolis for these practices, and I think this Kelly News really hit Chuck

Begano hard because after Thursday's practice in which the offense struggled again, I've not been to that many practices in my life, but I can't imagine that if I had, I'd ever see practices where an offense struggled to just complete a pass more than the Colts for two straight days. The completion percentage had to be under 40%. Like a Wednesday, it was outrageous. Scott Tolzeen, and their backup quarterback right now is Philip Walker, who's a 5-10, 5-11 guy undrafted from Temple,

really came out of nowhere, who wasn't getting anything done, and Tulzin was probably worse. I mean, people are kind of joking. Like, what's the point of even having T.Y. Hilton out there? Like, what has he gotten out of this training camp? They just can't even operate in offense. And then Pagano afterwards started getting very frustrated, just talking about essentially the offense,

how much work that they have to do, even though their training camp was breaking. Mewort's been out. Kelly's out. Chester Rogers, who was looking like a starter, has been out. Dante Moncrief has been out. Philip Dorset's been in and out.

They already had problems, and now all these injuries. Pagano felt like a man where, like, the world was caving in on him a little bit. Well, and yet it's a repeat of decision-making from years past. Why do you, if you know that Andrew Luck is not going to operate during the off season, it might be not even there for week one,

what's the decision-making process in Indianapolis that says Scott Tolzine is the best thing we can do with backup quarterback? I'm not saying you draft someone else, but we just brought up Colin Kaepernick. Do you think there's any chance this team says we have to do something more for our team and our fan base? I don't think at this point there is. I thought they believed that Tolzine was going to be good enough,

and that luck will be back early in the season. Maybe he will. Maybe luck will be back, and a lot of these injuries aren't long-term injuries. Kelly's is, and maybe he'll save the day. But otherwise, you know, with all their new starters on defense, I mean, they were trying out a guy in T.J. Green as their starting cornerback on Wednesday that was told an hour before practice for the first time ever

that he was converting from safety to cornerback. And he just went right in as a starter. That's high school stuff. So this is a team that's searching for some things. think there's some things to like too about the team i was going to say i thought that at least on this podcast like a month and a half ago there was uh i think the front shining rainbows about this i think the front seven could end up being better and if luck gets back they certainly have enough receiving talent to make some noise i mean my boy frank gore's on the team uh you know so that's

always fun but it's always good to have a 40 something running back if they're if stabilized things if toll zine is starting for them i don't think they're going to be able to win any games until luck's back in other sense Center news. Everybody loves Center News. Save for the Center Podcast. Keep it coming. Guess what? This is the Center podcast. Justin Britt signed a three-year extension Thursday with the Seahawks. Deals worth $27 million. He earns over $13 million in the first year of that deal. Second round pick in 2014. So that's a big hit on a draft pick. Started 16 games at Wright Tackles. A rookie. 15 more games last year at Garden Center. They love him. He's healthy. Good for the Seahawks. Meanwhile, on the throne of Slees. Now, as you recall, the Patriots didn't pick until the third round of the draft this spring, and they selected Derek Rivers, a player that obviously they believed was a nice fit in their system, a guy that could rush the quarterback from the edge,

make some things happen potentially this season, It's not going to happen this season because Rapsheet reported that an MRI revealed that Rivers Tours A-CL-Sprane and L-CL. This is an issue, right? For the Patriots, they're coming from such a position of strength, but their pass rush is not top-notch. No, I think Ed Rusher is their biggest weakness before Rivers got hurt. He hadn't really been necessarily making a big impression that he was going to be a big factor, that that was potentially going to be a problem because Connie Ely, who people, including

this room, you know, gave some credit, oh, this was a no-risk, you know, high-reward move. They might not get much out of it. It sounds like he might not even make the team. I was going to say, does he... Well, River's getting hurt you would think would help him, but they have another third-round pick just from a couple years ago. Gino Grissom, which has really never made

any noise. I mean, Trey Flowers is a defensive end. He's one of their best defensive players, and after that, it's pretty thin. Well, you lost Rob Ninkovich, so that doesn't help at all. The Patriots, though... Hight Tower can play out there if you want them to, but then you end up hurting a different part of the team.

They have a rookie fourth-rounder, Dietrich Wise. If the season started today, he's possibly starting. I mean, it becomes exhausting to say this about New England, but they find a way more than any other team to patch over these kind of issues where it would cause utter destruction for other clubs. Yeah, who's concerned that this is going to be a major issue for the Patriots. You know who's not concerned?

Damposi over there. Well, I think with Tamprosy behind the glass, then maybe the last time we hear that, you know, either any sort of alien attack on Foxborough, all those sound clips are going, they're getting deep buried. She's just changed her Twitter profile to Six Rings, Bills.

Boston Rules. I like it. We kind of have like, it's almost like having a Boston townie behind the glass. This is exciting. What's that good movie? I'm sure our listeners wanted more Patriots talk. Yeah.

What's the beautiful girls? Yeah. That's a good towny movie. Yes, it is. Maybe the best towny movie. You don't have a young Natalie Portman. You don't really have a strong New Hampshire accent? I don't.

It's too bad. I don't. That can be a tough one. Greg's favorite towny movie, Garden State, obviously. Anything Brath, Greg's in. Got Greg in here, you got Tampos. You got a very deep, disturbing masshole vibe in this studio. Great soundtrack for Garden State.

Probably the movie that held up the worst of any movie from that entire decade. Another Natalie Portman. Natalie Portman in every sort of small town. That was a movie where I was like, it really moved me when I saw it in the theater and I saw it five years later and I was like embarrassed for my younger self. It's trapped in a certain time. We definitely had this exact conversation on this podcast.

Portman who started, basically she created the Manic Pixie Dream Girl archetype in movies and that was her doing it when she was like 10 and then her doing it when she was 20. And at age like eight with the professionals, so. Yeah, exactly. Hey, let's head into the Ravens Nest real quick. Hey, when in doubt, head into the nest. I want to talk about Justin Tucker real quick. Just, this was, I wrote about this on the end around this morning.

You know, you know I love Justin Tucker as a player. I'm very confident that the Ravens will win a host of 18, 16 games with Tucker just going nuts week after week. he's the bizarro iguio you can always count on him he did something very interesting though i thought in uh thursday's preseason game uh where he attempted to uh he had a kickoff that was fumbled by a dolphin special teamer and he intended instead of falling on it because he ended up being in the neighborhood of the ball he tried to scoop and score and the reason this is interesting is if you follow justin tucker's career uh he's kind of it's kind of a bro he's kind of like a kicker that's got a bit of an attitude to him.

He's like the boss of kickers on some level in the way he carries himself. And the reason I bring this up is they asked him about his decision to try to scoop and score. He was pile-drived by a 297-pound defensive tackle while making the play, which I'm sure the coaching staff didn't love. But this is what Justin Tucker had to say, I don't ever let anybody put that evil on me as saying something as audacious as kickers aren't football players. in a game where points win your leading score is probably going to be your kicker and I'm literally doing the most football thing in football I'll leave it at that

the tag I'll leave it at that takes it to the next level thoughts well I think he's probably their most valuable player and he's probably going to not only lead them in scoring but to an incredible in terms of percentage of points scored it could be an incredible with flaco out he may have to do he may have to score some touchdown.

That's not what I was asking, by the way. What are you asking about his attitude? Don't run from the question, Mark. You labeled him as sort of broish, and it does come across a little broish, but I'm not surprised that the Ravens have a bunch of those players. He doesn't want anyone to put that evil on him, right, that kickers aren't real athletes, but who was meeting him on the sideline immediately after this play, essentially openly mocking him, was Terrell Sucks.

And I don't think he was saying anything much back to Terrell Sucks. So Terrell Suggs can put that evil on him. Sugg's a great guy. This does tie into, you know, keep an eye on kickers, especially ones that have some success. Remember Matt Prater at the Super Bowl a few years back? Where he was like... Your pal.

He had a big diamond stud in his ear and he was like showing up. Or he was like, basically they put him in that pen on media day. I don't think they really do it anymore, but they used to put like the non-star guys and the special teamers in like a pen that they couldn't escape. Yeah, you could just go up to a little peanuts at them. Anyway, Matt Prater was, like, pretending to lean in to talk to reporters and then ducking his head out and, like, like, with a smug smile, like, you know, he was going full Prater. He's been on your radar since that, yeah, that was a huge subplot for you.

You, you were not. I still think of that. Well, yeah, you were, I mean, you've had a number of Super Bowl encounters with a variety of players, but that was the top five. Yeah, you've had a Connor or length grudge here. I just thought, like, I'll borrow the word that, the Tucker. used. That was an audacious move by Matt Prater to be big-timing reporters at Media Day, I thought. That's all. It's fair. Can't argue with that? Don't put that evil on me, Matt Prater. How about that? Finally in the news,

he's like, if anyone gets back to him on this, he'd be like, what? What? Zero memory of that day. Anyway, finally in the news, I thought this was cute, guys, because football is fun, football's family. It's very important to keep that in mind. And And did you know that the Titans, a decision made by head coach Mike Malarkey, have decided to reschedule their practice on Monday. And do you know why? You do know, but pretend you don't. Dan, why don't you tell us?

Because Nashville is the biggest North American, or at least I should say American city in the path of a full solar eclipse. Total Solar Eclipse. So what did Malarkey do? He changed the schedule so they'd be on the field when the eclipse happens at 127 p.m. Central time on Monday. He's going to stop practice and they're all going to watch this together. It has not happened. I'm just, I'm curious, first of all, if you guys read the end around. Second, if you can come closest.

When was the last time a full solar eclipse took place? What year? I think it was about 100 years? go, if I'm not mistaken. Greg, your guess. I heard this on a children's podcast that my daughter forces me to listen to. Those exist? On the way back from swimming.

It's super educational, so I can't hold it against her. But I think it was like 1929 or something like that. Okay. 1979 is the year. Oh, my gosh. I was so off. So the Tennessee capital is the largest city in its path. And Malarkey had this to say, I actually did change the schedule.

I adjusted the schedule, so we will be practicing during it. I went back once we found out about it and rerouted the schedule, so we're all out here together to see it. That's a nice job. Malarkey, who's been maligned for being sort of a dull individual, well, I think he goes against that type right here. I would have called it, like, exciting that he's doing. It's kind of like a science teacher.

There are so many. Hey, kids, let's go to the science fair. Well, you know, Greg, your daughter, you know, begging to learn in the car on the ride home, and she's having to, you know, please, Daddy, let me learn things. I was like, no, let's listen to the Lord again. Please. All I'd say, there are so many cheesy team-building levers you can pull that we hear about.

Oh, Coach X took the team bowling. Oh, yeah, we've heard that 4,000 times. This at least is highly original. You're going to sit out the entire Titans roster to stare at an eclipse. Yeah. I mean, you know, please have the proper eyewear, but this to me is a whole new way to travel. If they land en masse on injured reserve for blinding themselves. It's a big problem.

89 deep retinal injuries. Daddy, please teach me about life on this car ride home. No, listen to a kid's podcast. Click Educational. You missed what I'm talking about. That's what she won. It's the opposite. I say, no, can we listen to the music?

So we negotiated. On the way there, we listen to Daddy's music. On the way back, we listen to a podcast. Wow on the world. Yeah. Okay. wow in the world is that what's called it's like science you know i've learned some things from i'll get my kids involved with that podcast that's what's happening in the news new era let's talk about it new

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to Bonnie Tyler's total eclipse of the heart. Sure. Okay, good. Who is getting eclipsed in the NFL right now? And what does eclipse mean, Mark? Well, there's a number of meanings, but I would say outshined, whatever position you had. Overshadowed, right?

Yeah, you're out. You're out. You're blocked. You're blocked. You're blocked out. Yeah. Blotted out. You were there, and then something comes along to just block you. Yep. No one sees you anymore. No sunlight touching you anymore.

Sunshine removed. Steal my sunshine. Don't ever do it. Remember the old short story about the girl who lived in a land where there was no sunshine ever? It only rained. And then one day the other students locked her in the closet because they were mean. What? And while she was locked in the closet, it was the one day of sunshine in like a hundred years.

and they left her in there. She missed it. I think that was like an R. Kelly video or something. Locked in a closet? Trapped in a closet. Nobody, that doesn't ring about anyone. Maybe that was like a nightmare. Time to start writing children's novels,

if that's what the plots are. I mean, we could come up with a lot of that. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please hit me up on Twitter because that was something that I read as a child and it did affect me just in the callousness of the children. Pretty dark. Yeah.

Anyway. Who is getting eclipsed? Mark, you get us going. I will keep this one. I'll keep this brief because I think we touched on it, so not to believe it, but connecting the dots from what's happening already with the Jaguar season, you know, David Caldwell has been given the chance in Jacksonville for a long, long time to build a roster that by all accounts, we look at that roster and we say there is a lot of talent here. And maybe it comes together on defense, but now you have. two new figures, and Tom Coughlin and your coach, Doug Marone, that are saddled. Greg, you mentioned. It could be a lost year because you're saddled with this quarterback situation.

And this is the quarterback that when you're a GM and you make a move in some people's mind to overdraft Blake Bordels where he was drafted in 2014, that he better succeed. And if he doesn't, most GMs understand this. Jason Light said it on hard knocks. We've all lost jobs. If your quarterback does not work out, if it's the opposite of, say, a James win, Winston, you encounter trouble. And I think David Caldwell is in a tough situation already in that building because people are wondering, wait, isn't it Tom Coughlin pulling the levers here? And he's

picked Doug Marone, who's also an authoritarian type figure to kind of preach his message and get tougher and turn the Jaguars from what they were into a run first, you know, ground and pound type team. And David Caldwell, you know, not that he isn't a talented guy, he's picked good players, but he feels like an odd man out here if the quarterback's situation is one where the Jaguars have to completely restart over at that position, potentially setting the team back where they were four or five years ago. I think that certainly there was a time where that pick looked good, the Blake Portals pick. Now it does not look good at all.

But David Caldwell has no one to blame but himself unless Tom Coughlin, who outranks him, said, hey, roll with Chad Hennie. I don't have any sympathy for the Jaguars because it's the same stuff over and over with them and just like this was happening again where people were starting to get amped up and excited about the Jags and their defense was very good last year

and there are skilled players on offense but they did this to themselves and like if they go 4 and 12 again because they have terrible quarterback play that shouldn't be a surprise this is what happens because Blake Bortles was giving you all the warning signs that this was what was going to happen

this was actually the one I was going to talk about two Mark, but someone had to step in and say we need to bring someone else in here and not just retain Chad Henney and no one ever did it. I find it awkward that Tom Coughlin is the one being interviewed by ESPN before the game that he the jokes are so easy that like Coughlin's going to be down there coaching by week six. I found it interesting

Chris Wessling. I mean he's recovering from surgery and what do the Jaguars do but put this awful football in front of him he made the observation we had the game on he made the observation that gruden right off the bat was saying even before the game started that they should be playing chad henny instead of blake bortals and you start to wonder you know gruden talks to these coaches you start to wonder like are these coaches or coffins or whoever it is like gruden just coming out strong that they need to bench blake bortals and then by the end of the game he is benched that like it just seems like these guys are done with them yeah that wouldn't surprise me um all right eclipse

more eclipse talk Dan is just absolutely sold on this segment I was going to go I was going to go with uh Colin Kaepernick's civil liberties being clipsed by the system too preachy too preachy I was going to go with the around the NFL podcast being eclipsed by the throwback podcast

every Thursday's new episode new one coming up next week this week Kings of Leon I'll shake, heartbreak. Well, it might be your only podcast soon enough, so. It's a great show. You know, eclipsing this podcast feels like a stretch. Yeah, not true. It's just not true, so I didn't go with that.

Sully, Sealy, Eclipse by Tampozy. Feels like too soon. Too soon. Don't want to go that way. And then I was going to talk about the Jaguars, but Mark just did it. So I'm out. I'm fresh out. I mean, I shared my idea on our, you know, I am client inside the building.

So, you know. I'm just trying to get to the weekend, buddy. I'm trying to get on the weekend. No, you're up, Greg. Well, I was trying to think of ones that weren't so obvious. You know, we've talked so much about Trevor Simeon. Sounded like Paxon Lynch had a good week of Pratt. Tavon Austin, we know he's been a clip.

So let's get a little more bold. Okay. An eclipse, no one saw coming. And it happens to have, you happen to get the best view in Nashville. It is in Nashville. I've been watching Derek Henry a little bit in the preseason. DeMarco Murray's out there. He's been a little banged up in the preseason.

Derek Henry, to me, is a fun running back who really leans on those defenders and is tough to take down. I'm not saying he's necessarily going to, it's not going to be a full eclipse this season. But how about a little bit of a partial eclipse of DeMarco Murray and his fantasy value this season? And then, you know, as we're looking towards the future, that becomes a full eclipse. That moon keeps moving. I'm really pushing your bit here. What about David Flewellyn? Where does he fit into this solar event?

You love Flewellyn. He's a little dust, hard dust over to the side. How do you see it breaking down? Are you talking like a 50-50-type split? Which I think that would be a drastic. Yeah, I think that Henry ends up getting way more of a role. And I don't know. Maybe Murray just stays hurt or he has an injury-prone season.

And Henry is a guy that shows himself when he gets the opportunity that he is more than talented enough to really carry an NFL running game. And that's how I see him. Good one. you're up mark i'll give you one that is not a human being just like the actual son is not a human being but how about big gigantic monolithic oversized sports arenas that house football games that were built in the 70s and 80s and early 90s and even some today that are being built that i was going to say most of those 70s 80s they've already all right and they continue to build

these things for you know to pack 90 000 people and yet our society is completely changing and I'm not saying that the Stubbhub Center is the locale for this. Okay, but because, because, well, this is what I'm saying. The NFL has done such a good job of putting football in front of people's faces through so many different ways. It's on your phone. It's on your iPad. It's on your laptop. It's on your desktop.

It's on your television. It's in sports bars. It's so easy to find football without having to go to a stadium and drop $850 for a family of four to go. What an experience. Well, no. I'm just saying. Well, you're saying your laptop and your desktop? I'm saying it.

You can get it anywhere, Greg. I think you know what I'm saying. But do you drag your family to a game when, like, some AFC South team is two and 12, you know, a week before Christmas for $1,000? The NFL has made this tough. I think they've made this tough for their fans. And the idea of smaller stadiums. You like the stuff. I like, and it's a positive.

I'm saying that the inglorious move of the chargers from San Diego to Los Angeles, that I think something comes out of it. It's not just the move, but a trend towards smaller stadiums that are more intimate and they can fill these things without any issues. I'm not saying they'd all be $25,000, but a much smaller venue that caters to the fact that most sports fans now are just as comfortable watching sports in front of giant TVs at home or maybe at a Patriots or Bears bar with people like-minded people, you know, versus trying to drag them to.

Our country used to be where you grew up in the city you lived in as a kid. You stayed there as an adult. You stayed a fan of that team your whole life. Now, in Los Angeles, for instance, it's so people are from everywhere else. Everybody's rooting for a team other than a Los Angeles team for the most part if you didn't come from here. And so you've got to cater to such a diverse community of fans that the idea you're going to pack them into the local football stadium. But attendance is great. I'm just, I'm not saying this is happening this season.

I'm talking to trend, though. The trend. The trend. The Yankee Stadium downsized. I think downsizing stadiums is a trend. I don't know if they're going to go down to Stubhub, but it's like... I don't think to that small. Think about where the A's and the Raiders play. I mean, like, stadiums like that, they're happy...

Maybe it's another partial eclipse, but I just think in general, the idea that we're going to get out of towners to pack it in at 100,000 seat stadium for for a team that you didn't grow up brooding for is a challenge. Downsizing stadiums, a lot of that also, I think, comes into... the new stadiums now have a lot of space allotted for luxury suites and things of that nature. That's accounted for some of the downsizing rather than an actual strategy. I don't know. I think there's nothing, even though they went 4 and 12 last year,

to use the Rams as an example, I don't think one of the coolest things about football is the communal experience of having 100,000 people watching a football game. We watch college football and the big house is 110,000 people for a game. I think the big crowds is part of what makes an NFL game special. I get the novelty of the 25,000 venue. But I don't know. I don't know if I've seen a clips coming.

Or like 20 years from now. Also money. There's a lot of money to be lost. No, there is money. But let's say 20 years from now, like, we're just, you know, salted away and, like, individualized, like, liquid pods. We're just being beamed into our heads. Like, the whole idea that we do things with each other. Is the heat and light podcast?

No, no. But the idea that we do things with each other, you go to a bar now. And, like, you look down the bar, it's 16 people staring at their phone. Things are changing. People are not into the community experience and getting to know people around them the same way. Is this a long tease for your attendance at the first Chargers home game? Is that still happening? I don't know if anything's happening anymore, but if it's happening, I'll be there.

All right, I have one. I was knocked out of my first one. Should have checked the IM client. By bad. I thought you pitched in well on that one. But I think Tyrod Taylor, again, his opportunity to become a real NFL quarterback is being eclipsed by his organization. This idea, and I know he was terrible yesterday in yesterday's game, his numbers were

outrageously poor. Mark, you wrote about it in your what we learned. I'm trying to pull them up right now on the fly. He was about 8 for 18, if I'm not mistaken, through a couple of picks. Less than three yards per attempt. Yeah. One was a bad pick. One was a tip ball. No protection. He was getting here. And it's like, we went through this rigmarole for like three years now, Tyrod Taylor and the bills. Do they believe him? Do they not?

Doug Whaley has it out for him. Well, now Doug Whaley's gone. But now here we are like three weeks from the start of the season. And the head coach is answering like, is Tyraud Taylor going to get bench? First of all, who's going to be the quarterback? Well, Nathan Peterman. Nathan Peterman, actually, I thought he did not look terrible last night. He made it one or two money throws,

and now they're talking about him maybe taking some first team reps. It's like, calm down. You just took away the guy's number one receiver, and you got a really mediocre to bad team around him, and now you're going to make him the scapegoat when the team looks bad in a preseason game when he doesn't have any protection. His number one receiver that you traded for has a fractured chest bone or something.

Like, leave Tyrod Taylor alone. He's being eclipsed by the bills, and this 18-year playoff drought. I would love Tyra Taylor. I know the sun doesn't move. We revolve around the sun. But how about Tyrod Taylor in this role as the sun moves somewhere else? And it's not Western New York.

And give this kid a real shot in the National Football League. Eclipse the bills. How about that? I don't know what I got away from me a little bit. I don't know what that meant, but I love it. It's fair to wonder if he is on this team next year. Yeah. I absolutely agree.

Peterman will see what happens. You know, he's a mid to late round pick. Get excited about Nathan Peterman. If you go to NFL.com right now or YouTube, you can find a three-minute montage of Peterman's best plays against the Eagles. He did have some nice throws. Had some poor throws, too, was kind of up and down. But he showed a little bit of stuff.

That's because Crawley, the Bills fan, who runs the programming downstairs. And I love Patrick. He's a Bills fan. So he probably was responsible for this. He's like, yeah, let's make. Let's make that Peterman video, you know, about as long as Apocalypse. Well, it's probably like his long completion of Zay Jones just over and over and over and over. There it is.

Let's ride Peterman on the homepage for the weekend. Just let it ride, baby. I don't know. It's like everybody comes down with Tyrod Taylor hate. I thought we were getting past this, the Doug Whaley era. He had no protection. And here we are again. It is hard to find a quarterback that has been more spotally supported by his organization.

All right. And you should have support from your own. organization. That's the way I believe things should operate in general. Greg, close it out. And under the radar eclipse, everyone was all excited when they were talking about the bucks they're loading up on

all these weapons around James Winston. O.J. Howard's going to come in. Oh, wait a second. What about the old tight end that was there before that this podcast used to love Cameron Bray. I'm watching these preseason games and I'm reading the training camp

reports out of practice. Cameron Bray is the and making plays down the field, being the guy that's going to kind of split the field while you got Jackson and Evans on the outside. O.J. Howard, I think, will be a factor eventually, but it's a tough position to break into, and he's less of a pass catcher maybe than Bray. And Bray, to me, looks like he's going to be a big time back. He's eclipson the first round pick. I like it. I love it. Who knows if it plays out, but one of those training camp reports, I'll just let you know one of them. Brate's great.

Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's a lot of buzz about that. gigantic font type. Yeah. Well, I mean, also, tight ends. You believe that? You believe that he could end up having a bigger season than Howard, who is out at a tight end.

I do expect it. Yeah. He's a veteran. He Winston really likes him. He's been there. And he's just a natural. He's a good pass catcher. That position, too, specifically, like, we used to do the studies of, like, what second year

tight ends? What will they do? Well, they're always, you look at even Grunkowski and all these guys, their first year in the league, that the adjustment in terms of production at tight end is tougher than a lot of other positions then they start to bloom in year two and three Brate's a perfect fit for Winston right now You are dooming Mr. Howard to an Eric Ebron

type career arc Isn't that what you're doing right now? No, it'd be like a slow build It gets like 30 catches, Brake gets 65. How about that? Wow. That's a lot.

Meanwhile Gary Barnage. What's going on with that? I don't know. Collecting the unemployment checks still. I think you're right. I told you. Well, it's because he's British. I'm different and not undifferent,

but I always been quitting for America's form of footy. And what should do? Yeah, it's a megalomaniac approach by American management to keep him out of the league. This I'm telling you, this is why Henry is never going to be commissioner. It's the same reason. Henry, handsome Hank is fully capable of being the man that succeeds Roger Goodell one day. we really expect that to happen

when Gary Barnage a year and a half removed from 130 catches and 20 touchdowns whatever he did with the Browns can't even get a job Well that'll be 15 years now when Henry does not have salt and pepper hair even he has just like a glowing perfect

head of white shining white hair and British nobility is seen differently in our country at that point and he's just eased right into that commissioner role So you're saying British nobility generally the viewpoint of Americans will shift forward British nobility. I'm just saying, you never know, 15 years now,

Henry might be the perfect candidate at the right time to take over an American sport. That news for Barnage, though, because he'll be like 50. Henry's like, listen, by the way, I'm going to incorporate these 20,000 seats stadiums. You know, everything's going to come together. That was definitely the weirdest one we talked about. Well, I was stretching.

Any final thoughts, Guy? Got some preseason games to talk about. We do. We're going to, next time you hear from us, will be Monday, and we'll go through all the games. In fact, I should let you know, just so you're aware, that the Jaguar scored the final eight points of furious reality. Right, are we going through these games, Friday games?

Do you want to go through the games? I thought we were going to talk about them a little. Am I crazy? Are you crazy? All right, takeaways. Takeaways. Well, and people need to know the scores, certainly, and find out who won these important games.

Oh, I have a takeaway for you. All right. Let's do it. How about this? Yeah. So the Bucks all excited about themselves. They get to squeeze in the Roberto Aguayo release, just in time for Hard Knocks Week 2. Bang, here comes the next preseason game.

And what happens? Nick Falk clanks an extra point. And then misses a field goal later. And the look on Dirk Cotter's face is one of, this feels like one of the most hext positional battles in NFL history. It does not matter who they put out there. They cannot make, you know, funnors. fundamentally basic point after he did yeah he the after the missed field goal which ironically I think was from the same distance as the kick that ultimately got reverto guio cut 47 yards he did like

a liz lemon eye roll his eyes rolled out in the back of his head on the sideline it's a major issue but at the same time everybody comes down nick folk can kick he'll be fine I know that's he can also miss kicks but yeah so can everybody else I think I don't think he's going to become a basket case I don't think they have any big problems Greg do you have a takeaway from that game How about let's go to the Dolphins? Not not. Bucks, Jags, nothing? We'll move on?

Yeah, well, we talked about, though. Well, I'll say one quick thing. Winston did some good things in that game. The box score looks awesome. He had some very concerning decisions. He does the Brett, you know, he had a throw at the end of the first half that was like more Brett Favre than any Brett Favre throw.

It never happened, like falling to the, literally like being acrobatic and keeping himself off the ground and then just throwing the ball up. We'll see that on hard knocks. Cotter is going to go after. Although he got hit in the head in that play, which the announcers never really talked about. Yeah.

Should have been a penalty. Anyway, Mark Hayes Williams caught a four-yard pass from Brandon Allen, Jason Myers. More PAT problems missed the extra kick. There was then a safety by Brian Anger to cut it to 12-8. Not enough. But it wasn't enough because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers improved to one-in-one, got that first big W with a 12-8 win.

in Jacksonville. So when into Jacksonville, that's making a statement inside your own state. You don't see too many 12-8 finals. Not often. Not often. Let's talk about that Miami Dolphins game against the Baltimore Ravens.

Jay Cutler's debut, 3 of 6, 24 yards. Had another completion that was wiped out by penalty. Your takeaway from the Dolphins and Ravens, Greg. Was more of the same from Ryan Mowl. That's all. He's making it really hard. on the Ravens decision makers

because they're trying to give him as much rope as possible and he's just not accurate he's not ready like he doesn't seem like he knows the offense and they announced that Flacco is unlikely to practice next week once again our guy Rapsheet

had this story 100% right that Flacco was going to miss a lot of time and I still don't think it's too late it's not too late I still think the Kaepernick thing could happen there because Ryan Mallet was once traded on August 31st to Houston. You know, Sam Bradford was traded.

What was that? That might have been September last year, I believe that Bradford was. It's not too late. You can make a move. That was it from this game. Not much else. Not much else for the Miami Dolphins' offense because after they went up 7-0, and they gave up 31 straight points.

Never scored again. The Ravens make a statement with a 31-7 win in Miami. Road dogs. Ravens now undefeated. So like, two and oh, look at that. Ravens us halfway home to the preseason. Did they have room in their stadium for banners? Something to think about.

Someone pointed out all of the Ravens injuries, the nine players after June 1st that have gone to IR or been suspended or retired. It was exactly, it was right around the time we started going into the Ravens Nest. Very interesting. And they asked for it. We started going into the nest because the fans, let's call it what it is, complained to us that we weren't giving the Ravens enough coverage. You still want to...

Got a little greedy. They got a little greedy. Think about it. Do you want the Ravens Nest to continue? And actually, don't tweet it as being like, continue the Ravens Nest. No, don't even want to hear that. Just understand what happened here. Pondered internally.

Yeah. Finally, the Bills went to Philadelphia to play the Eagles. And Mark, your takeaways from this affair. We talked about Tyrod Taylor. I am concerned about one thing with the Eagles and in praise of another. Very concerned about they're running. game based off what we've seen over two weeks. Legerate Blunt, I have a feeling we'll be back with the Patriots by Halloween.

I am convinced of this. He is not fitting out. He's not fitting well. It's not his fault, though they are not blocking well. But on the other side of the ball, two straight great games by Brandon Graham. And that Jim Schwartz front seven looks nasty. Yeah, it looks like they hit on their first round pick with Barnett. And that would really turn a really good line into one of the better lines in the league.

the bills, and you mentioned Tyrod not getting support, he had no protection. Yeah, they were missing a couple starters. That's why it's hard to evaluate these games. You know, if Cordy Glenn gets back out there, maybe they'll be fine. Maybe when they get healthier at receiver, you don't have Anquan Bolden starting on the outside and trying to win one-on-one routes against Ronald Darby. Ronald Darby had like a great revenge game right off the bat with an interception. He could have had a couple interceptions.

You know, Antoine Bolden should not be playing outside. You know, at this stage in his career, if you got Bolden on. one side you got a rookie zay jones who had a nice game on the other side that's that's tough what happens when ronald darby the guy who's you know mostly forgotten in the sammy wotkins matthews darby trade scenario winds up being the best of the group for the team he landed with wouldn't surprise me at all makes sense byron marshall had a one-yard run with three minutes to play that was the decisive score a 2016 win for the eagles in philly we must protect this house indeed and that's what they did improve to one in one.

The bills fall to 0 and 2, which all but takes them out of the running for the preseason championship this year. I don't know how you dig out of that to then go confront September and what's after that. You don't come out of the preseason. I don't follow the sport after the preseason personally.

Nor should you. I mean, this is really when, you know, when champions are etched. Forged. To me, they should be crowned as well. I agree. I don't know what the league's doing. My favorite tweet of last night,

this is totally random, comment that Sean McDermott looks like a coach on Madden with the default settings on. If you just put like default coach that, Sean McDermott, they're really great. That's pretty good. That's really good, actually, because that is an exact. Do we want to credit whoever that was? I come from Wes. This was Sean.

Sean S.S. Locom 82. Hey, shout out to Shawnee with a great tweet. Okay, yeah, we'll be back Monday. We'll go over the rest of the preseason games, 13 at all. all, including one tonight, Minnesota at Seattle. So Battle of Undefeated teams there at the clink. So make sure you come back on Monday, and we'll keep you up to date on all the goings-on in the NFL.

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